Best Affordable Heated Floor System...Save TONS of MONEY!
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- Опубліковано 4 сер 2024
- This video shares the best affordable heated floor system that'll save you tons of money. Is this heated floor system worth it? Watch the video and decide for yourself! For more home improvement tips, visit www.homerepairtutor.com/ 👍🏼
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0:00 Best affordable heated floor system
0:26 Warming Systems was for this heated floor
0:57 Warming Systems kit overview
1:23 How to plan a heated floor system
2:13 How to run heated floor system inside shower
2:51 How to run electric for heated floor system
3:44 How to run heated floor cable guides and heat cables
4:44 How to floor level over heated floor cables using Ardex TL 1000
5:13 Testing heated floor cables
6:11 Why heated floors over concrete need thermal breaks
6:41 Why it's recommended to wire a heated shower separately
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15 Sq Foot Warming System Kit (120 V) - amzn.to/37uotV0
Multimeter for Testing Wires - amzn.to/37vXA2O
Ardex TL 1000 Floor Leveler
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Thanks for the info, and for including honest assessment of limitations.
Wow, great job on all small tips that matters. Thanks alot
Thank you for sharing!
I am going to use this method in my basement for my Sulcata tortoise's winter home. Thanks for the clear and concise video!
I love this. Thank you thank you times a million!
Thank you 🙏 Nice work .
Tile work is slick. Respect.
Wow that's great thanks!
Thank you =] nice easy basic video
thumbs up for the slick tile work! that is some of the finest tile work I have seen recently.
thanks Danish, we always appreciate your feedback
I know I'm kinda randomly asking but do anyone know of a good site to watch newly released series online ?
@Santana Jad thank you, signed up and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :D I appreciate it !
@Michael Duncan Happy to help :D
Very through. Thanks
Thank you.
I wouldn't use those tiles my self. but when I see it I really like it , Nice job! Looks modern.
If there is already electric baseboard heat, can you put this in using that electric supply line? and get rid of the baseboard heater? it says it only draws 2.5 Amps, 300W and it has a GFI built in. I don't see why it needs a dedicated breaker... Also what do you recommend for best cost effective option to insulate on top of a slab while using this system?? Great video, thanks!!!
Thanks for the information on wiring... I was planning on doing exactly what you explained after watching like 50 videos on Ditra E Heat. I am planning on doing a 2 gang box (metal) with conduit as you did so I can pull the wires after the drywall is up.. I like the idea of running 2 temp sensors so in the future if one fails... So that is a lot of wires in a box. I ran 14/2 on a dedicated 15A GFCI breaker. From what I was reading it should be fine with the small setup of only like 3-4 sq ft in total.
Three Major Mistakes from this guy. First you want a 220 volt system. If you ask why, then you really don't understand. Second, the wire can be ran very close to the walls, especially if cold exterior walls or doorways. Third you can run the wire right around the toilet. I will not melt the wax ring, (150 degrees). He says to exclude it and then shows the wires well with in 2ft. Perfectly fine. Same for shower, run it wall to wall and right around the drain area. Huge Failure that will screw you over. YOU HAVE to install TWO Temp senors. If you think one will last for ever, roll the dice... When it fails, how much will it cost to install another one ? Ton of money,
Don't be so fast to praise this guys work. It lacks a lot. I installed 3 systems back in 2006 2010, So far One sensor failed,, OH shit ! I just opened the box and switched senor wires ! That extra 15 bucks for the sensor was well spent...
Hi Steve I’m planning on running a drivers subfloor thru my basement, would it be wise to use this on top of those panels?
If I'm basically doing the same as in the vid...what can I expect as a finished thickness from the sub-floor, after the self leveling compound is applied(including the heating wire)? Ardex says you used the wrong product for radiant heat. Should have used TL-2000.
what did you do to stop the heat from going down into the concrete? as I don't see any underfloor insulation
That would be badass to have in the bathroom!!!
Beautiful work. How do you slope your shower floor?
This looks like a great option! Have you ever installed the heating mats from Home Depot? I believe there made by sun touch? Seems like a similar option although this seems a lot easier to install
typically we stick with Ditra-Heat due to the uncoupling mats but ya, Warming Systems is similar to Sun Touch yet we really like Warming Systems better. They have fantastic prices and make heated floors much more affordable
Yea that looks like a much better option for sure!!
@@HomeRepairTutor Hello, if you are still monitoring this video, may I ask, is this system as affordable when the electric bill comes in?
Do you have a video where you cover the electrical connections?
Great video. Question: I want to install this in our basement bathroom that's on a concrete floor. I'm going to install tile. I pretty much understand everything except what should go between concrete floor and heating cable. I understand if installed against the concrete pad you'll some heat down into the concrete rather than on the tiles. Many thermal barriers or decoupling membranes are thick. Is there a thin one where it won't raise the floor too much? Thanks in advance.
cork underlayment
@@michalgermain4483or thin foam with reflective backing facing up. (More affordable)
can you install the wiring on 2 different floor types? like tile with thinset and vynil floor planks with selfleveling concrete?
Do you have to use floor leveler? I only ask because I'm renovating my bathroom, and it has a wood subfloor that I will be installing LVP plank flooring. If I use the leveler, the finished floor won't be flush with the rest of the flooring in our house. Thanks 😊
Looks like a good system but I would prefer the Ditra heat system. The tile work is awesome.
thank you, Ditra Heat is great, we wanted to try a different system in this bathroom since the concrete had to be leveled. It’s amazing that this heated floor is only $199 and includes the WiFi thermostat
@@HomeRepairTutor, wow, bet prices have gone up.. I just paid over $200 for the Vevor cable, went with SunTouch HeatMatrix pad.. Another $400.. noticed the pad can't be flip flopped 90° & match.. just left small gaps at the seams, it was fine.. But don't feel that decoupling pad is the fastest way to install anything. It's a time consuming process. Also my thermostat (OJ Microline 240v with wifi) was another $200 & takes a max of 10 gauge wire, so the wire & the 15-amp 240v circuit will be another expense.. This is ~190 sq ft of coverage.
I bought the kit. Do you need to add self leveler? seems like you do before you thin set and lay tile.
Could we run this wire in the ditra uncoupler mat?
What would you expect for the longevity of this budget heating system compared to a name brand like Mapei, Laticrete, or Schluter? Given that we have to heat 162 sf, and costs have gone crazy over the last year, I'm switching gears and looking into a more budget-friendly system.
it all runs on electricity, costs wont change from system to system when it comes to running it. If you want the cheapest then buy a proper wire from alibaba and skip all brand names. The manufacturer will probably have all the needed electronics for a full system. Alternatively if you don't need warm air but only want to feel warm yourself then an IR carbon sheet will be cheaper to run long term.
How high above the ground should I install the 4x4 box? light switch level?
Seems like it would be easier to put the floor leveler primer on before the heating system? Any reason it can't be done that way?
How did you screw the guides to the concrete? Did you glue it? Working on the project now! Wish me luck!!!
He said he used a glue gun
Wow 👏 very informative info 👏
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Do they have good warranty though
Why did you use the wire system vs the heated mat system?
I have hotspot in my old house built 1955. We are third owner since 2008. I recently have some hot spot in the bathroom floor. For the last 2 weeks, a gfci outlet in the back house tripped 2 times where the washing machine is plugged in. I have to reset it. Do you think that has anything do with the heated floor in the bathroom. I dont even know if we even have heated floor in bathroom until now. Is there a plug or wire i can trace to see if there is one under the floor. We think it is either a hot water pipe burst under floor ir heated element somewhere in the floor. We dont know. Plz help thank you
what thinset did you use?
Is the waterproof height high enough to do the job?
Question if I buy the kit at 150 ft.² can I buy additional wiring for that to cover 300 ft.² I'm trying to cover my home in three zones
looks great, so in case the wires or heating system breaks or stops working. How will you go and fix it?... Do you have to rip the tile and floor off?
You need to use predator or superman x-ray vision to see where the wire was damaged. Good to have a end of the world siren attached at least.
Not bad idea
How is it holding up any spots that don't heat?
Another good one, and Schluter has some more competition now!! LOL
lol, ya this system was fantastic for concrete and the thermostat is awesome
@@HomeRepairTutor Hmmmm, good for concrete you say......
How much efficiency is gained with a thermal break as opposed to directly on the slab ?
Thinsulate or these 2x4 foam insulation pads TOH suggested :
ua-cam.com/video/HGknuTxiXPA/v-deo.html
I'm on my second video so not sure yet but some sort of barrier that wouldn't let heat pass below it but allow it to transfer upwards.
Think of insulated lunch bags w shiny inside to keep food warm.
Why does the drywall need to be up before you install the system?
why wasnt dirta waterproofing membrane used here? i seen a video where you guys 1) applied thin set 2) applied waterproof membrane 3) installed wire for heated floor system 4) thin set on top of that 5) tiles
what is the name of the kit and where did you purchase it?
Can you just apply thinset and tile over the wire?
Make it look easy!
but how do i safely pull up my tile floors!
Can this be used in a basement over top of Styrofoam insulation?
what do you do if the wire breaks or something happens and the alarm goes off? tear up the entire floor?
The wire is only going to break under the tile if you install it improperly. Onces it's in the thin set it's safe.
Ok, so just to confirm you did run the heating into the shower right?? Now my next question is what are your thoughts on possibly heating a bench seat or even one or more of shower walls too?? I mean if you follow the instructions sky's da limit right?? Hoping all is well guys, Dirty Jersey out!!
hey Mike, you could totally hear a bench and we’ll have some videos showing tips on that. It’s a very cool idea for steam showers in particular
How much does it cost to heat the ground under the house...
The only part that isn’t covered well in the installation manual or in this video is connecting the low-voltage floor sensor to the thermostat. You’ll want to unscrew the back of the thermostat, route the two wires through the two little holes, and screw them into the 3 & 4 terminals.
can i use this under a Kerdi pan?
we’d recommend using it in the mud bed then adding Kerdi, and using two cables - one for the pan and one for the floor
What type of thermal break do you recommend for basement concrete floor with this system?
How much height did using this system with the floor leveler add? Our basement has low ceilings, this system didn't look like it added very much additional height.
So you can use any of the foam boards out there for a thermal break (kerdiboard, wedi, etc.) There are also some cork underlayements that warmly yours and others make. Then there are also ones like ditra heat duo that are made for this. All these options somewhat defeat the cost effectiveness of this. But would save money over time with being more efficient
Warmly Yours electric radiant heating systems recommends Cerazorb, check their website. I used this in my two bathrooms and it provides a 3/16" thermal break between the concrete slab and the overlying radiant heat mats plus tile bed. Home Depot sells Cerazorb online. I don't think it was particularly expensive although extra installation prep time is required to install the Cerazorb. It does increase the efficiency of heating the tile and prevents heating the underlying concrete slab. The leveler we installed in the two bathrooms is about 1/4" thick. With the thinset bed and 5/16" porcelain tiles the total increase of floor thickness of all materials added together is about 1".
Do you always have to level compound it after install before tile?
it’s best to self level over this system then set tile
@@HomeRepairTutor how thick do you feel the self level should be on top of a wood subfloor
So I dont need backerboard?
@@colleentettleton5309
Well. To stiffen the floor maybe?
I wonder what the height would be after the leveling compound? That may make the transition a little high going into the bedroom. 3/4 wood flooring.
what was water profing you used
KBRS liquid shower seal.
amzn.to/37s4o1C
@@stevewhite7962 Thanks
with the cost of power in alberta....natural gas is cheaper with a furnace....better with a very basic boiler system
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So a couple questions if you have time to answer.
If my concrete subfloor is already level but I wanted to thermally break and use the cable guides would I simply put down some of the 1/2” foam insulation and install right on top of that?
The area I’m thinking of using this in is a small home office. So my next question is what are the costs to running something like this for 6-8 hours at a time?
So the easiest way would to use something like schluter Duo matt. amzn.to/2V1JdB0
But you could also use a cork underlayment like this www.warmlyyours.com/en-US/products/line/underlayment-cork
Thanks a lot! Any idea on the run time cost?
Is there an easy way to hook it to to a smart system? I want to be able to schedule it from my phone and say "Alexa, heat floor"
Okay does it still work now. In 2022
Why would you heat thw floor behind your tiolet?
Id think you would just want to heat the traffic areas.
Putting it in the shower is a bit scary😨 What happens if a bit of water leaks to them
Nothing, it is insulated cable. I don't know about US but where i live, underfloor electric heaters must have gfci.
But how much does it cost to operate?
Is it available in 220V as that's what you usually use because of the expense to operate.
The kit says it uses 12 watts/square foot. So you multiply your square footage by 12. If your bathroom had an 8x10 area covered (which is a lot, IMO), that's about 1000 watts (1 kW). The average cost for a kilowatt hour (kWh) in the US is $0.13, so it would cost you $0.13 to run the heating mat for an hour. Said another way, you could run it for 7 hours a day for a $1 per day.
@@tighecrovetti2844 Thanks for showing us how you worked it out, as well as working it out!
Really David, I did not know that. Do you think I should change all my appliances to 220v? Man I sure could save a ton of money!!! Sounds like you really know what your talking about. Are you an electrician or electrical engineer or are you just really smart?
@@tighecrovetti2844 that sounds like about $30 a month for one bathroom! the video said $2-3 a month!
@@Fat_Catt that only contradicts what I said if he is also considering running it 7 hours a day. If he's only talking about running it an hour a day, then our numbers would align.
Why is the thermostat so low?
How's this holding up?
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yep
На кой в душе тёплый пол?
How much does it cost to run?
Separate circuit not needed - you show this installation uses 540 watts - that is one third of what a portable heater uses and people use 1500 watt portable heaters in bathrooms all the time.
Yeah, there's no way I'd dedicate an entire separate 20A circuit for a 4-5A draw. If your bathroom has one circuit for lights and one for outlets, it's overkill to run a third just for the mat. Put the heating mat on with the lights (if you use LED lights, there's minimal draw, so it's almost like it does have its own circuit). Then a curling iron or hair dryer is separate and won't couple with the heating mat and blow the breaker.
So..we use a 1500 watt heater in the bathroom.. the only thing on that circuit is 2 outlets (1 of which is gfci both linked) my wife has never popped a breaker with a flat iron or hair dryer on at the same time would you bother putting in a separated dedicated circuit?
My bathroom is freezi g cold and no heat
Perfect for cats
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Can you use this system with a Ditra uncoupling heat mat?
I don't see why not. the wires are a bit smaller, so they may not click or stay in as tightly as the ditra heat wires do
@@stevewhite7962 Thanks
Just watched the Warming System video, they recommend using the Prodeso heat cable membrane for the wire.
How many watts !! 120 X 20amps ? Did you say ?...oh ok 540watts
Cheap: how much a sqft
…”melting your wax ring”. No, no you do not. 😂
Standing in a shower with a hot wire under me. No thanks. I don't take the blow dryer in there either.
Just kinda seems nuts. If somewhere there was a Crack or something. Sh!t !
What about electrocution? 😶
What's wrong with you the vanity unit can't go all the way to the ground it could go all the way to the floor DUA?
Starting any sentence with, “What’s wrong with you”...hope you don’t have kids 🤣
Can you run a wired system over a pre existing water fed heating system or is that overkill?
Nothing affordable about this. The system may be cheap but the labor isn’t
This channel is targeting those of us who are willing to do the work ourselves...hence the saving on materials being the important part as labor is free when it's my own. Unless you are charging yourself for the labor lmao
They do this because they want you to walk away because their are idiots out there that will actually pay 10 grand over Msrp because this truck has become popular and they want it regardless of price!
Three Major Mistakes from this guy. First you want a 220 volt system. If you ask why, then you really don't understand. Second, the wire can be ran very close to the walls, especially if cold exterior walls or doorways. Third you can run the wire right around the toilet. I will not melt the wax ring, (150 degrees). He says to exclude it and then shows the wires well with in 2ft. Perfectly fine. Same for shower, run it wall to wall and right around the drain area. Huge Failure that will screw you over. YOU HAVE to install TWO Temp senors. If you think one will last for ever, roll the dice... When it fails, how much will it cost to install another one ? Ton of money,
Don't be so fast to praise this guys work. It lacks a lot. I installed 3 systems back in 2006 2010, So far One sensor failed,, OH shit ! I just opened the box and switched senor wires ! That extra 15 bucks for the sensor was well spent...
Hi Steve, can this system be used directly on a subfloor or would that present a potential fire hazzard?
Waiting on his reply