I have 36 years of HVAC under my belt and have installed many Bosch IDS systems, not sure where to begin, first off the Bosch IDS outdoor unit is only manufactured as a heat pump, thus meaning it will work with an air handler with or without back up electric strip heat, or in a duel fuel setup with a gas furnace. They mentioned your locations climate is mild and you would not need supplemental heat, they disregarded the fact that while a properly installed Bosch IDS condenser rarely fails, they can still fail. Therefor if I had been your contractor, assuming you didn't have the wiring for backup strip heat, I would have recommended a Bosch furnace instead of the air handler without backup strip heat since you did have gas available. You would still be primarily a heat pump conditioned home, but with the ability to have backup fossil fuel. THe good news is that the Bosch IDS is above average in reliability, the bad news is that if/when it does fail, you have no backup, yet you could have. Past that so not impressed with the install, again where to begin, piping of the refrigerant lines used excessive amounts of fittings, apparently they don't own or use tubing benders. They never showed brazing or soldering of those connections, so I can only hope they did it properly under nitrogen purge. Service side of the condenser is way way to close to the house, not even close to minimum recommendations of any manufacturer, and a sure way to piss off a tech trying to diagnose fix it. Also of mention, the filter/dryer should be installed indoor near the evaporator coil, not outside at the condenser. Don't see an RSH 50 or equivalent surge protector at the disconnect. that is a 1k plus control board, it needs surge protection, Bosch insists on it. Last guy states, after his or another company hooks up gauges over and over for 10-15 years you might need to add refrigerant. He is correct on that, where he is wrong is that after a proper installation, gauges/manifolds should never be hooked up unless their is a problem to diagnose and repair.Otherwise there is no need to hookup. All performance data can be gathered and calculated using psycho-metrics without hooking up hoses to the refrigerant circuit. From the video, I won't say they know nothing about HVAC as a whole, but I do feel they don't fully understand inverter driven systems based on their comments. As much as I love the Bosch IDS system, at the end of the day, the duct work is the most important factor, and no piece of equipment can fully correct that, some might overcome it better than others, but none fix it. Last note, I am assuming the last guy was the owner that quoted 10-15k for a High efficiency system. WOW last year we did a 3 system replacement using Bosch IDS systems for 26k. Damn either we are underbidding massively or others are just price gouging, I'll have to sleep on that, and well I sleep good knowing we make money but don't rip people off.
Where do you service and install? I'm thinking of going with this 20 seer Bosch system. Is a heat pump the same as a furnace? I have electric and no gas.
@@WolfNRaven Heat pumps and furnaces are not the same, but can be used together in whats called duel fuel setups. All Bosch condensers are heat pumps so they can be coupled with a fossil fuel furnace with an evaporator coil, or be matched with an air handler with or without supplemental/backup electric strip heat. Climate is a huge factor in system design especially heat pumps and any need to supplement with strip heat, not knowing your climate I cannot go into all factors. In short heat gain vs. heat loss factor greatly in heat pump design. Comment back with where you live, there are huge differences between say any southern state vs. Northern and north eastern states, and other implications for the in between states. I am in southern Illinois, where neither heat gain or heat loss take precedent, we have to balance both, some climates require one way more than the other. I will watch for your reply, even if you are a 1000miles away, and I cannot physically assist, will gladly do what I can in you tube comments.
@@ZERO-F2G-thank you for the above comment I wish you were in NJ. Im having 2 system hopefully installed in next week or two. Both are bosh ids 18ser. AC and heat pumps with electric stips. I have oil as my back up. In my areas I have ofter power outages sometimes long sometimes quick. Can you recomend a surge protector for the units? Thank you in advance.
@@cvello3275 We use RSH-50 surge protectors at the outdoor unit disconnect box, even if the house has surge protection at the panel. They are inexpensive, and I believe superior to their competitors, and both my Bosch and Mitsubishi distributors recommend those. Side note; Check with your electrical provider about rebates. Where I am at the IDS18 HP doesn't qualify, but the IDS20 does. We can hit the needed efficiency for the rebate with an IDS 20 heat pump and either or 18 or 20 air handler or coil in duel fuel setup. There are also federal tax credits you can apply for.
@@ZERO-F2G- awesome thank you for getting back to me whats your thoughts on the ICM517 thats what I was originally recommended. Also your thoughts on thermostat im looking at honeywell nothing to smart or crazy like nest
I just put a 3 ton 20 seer in my own house. With employee discount from supplier, 2k instant rebate from utility company the equipment only came out to $3100 and some change. Plus I got a $900 tax credit. Getting ready to put an AO Smith heat pump water heater because they’re offering an instant rebate for $1600 and it only costs $1700.
So was the Hvac the reason you thought you needed solar....maybe changing it out first would have saved massively????? curious as im going through something similar
There’s a better thermostat Eccobee that works directly with Bosch and you can make all kinds of adjustment's . I think he installed a Bosch thermostat which are decent. It looks like he hasn’t sent his crew for factory training . It’s expensive but it’s a lot more expensive to not train everyone. Maybe supervisors are getting the training? The idea with that is they are supposed to come back and start training everyone else . Typically that happens on weekends and it’s important. We bring everyone that’s foreman and above in on Saturday for all day and it’s mandatory. We have our own training center and we either have our own people doing it or we hire professionals and factory reps are always available. Ours is all union workforce big company and it’s always popular because we feed everyone all day long . A
This was 10 months ago, what is the balance on your true up to date? Has it gone down. Were having this system installed in a few days. Our true up is insane like yours is.
Next you need to replace your gas water heater with an electric heat pump water heater. So many rebates and deals in California you can probably get it for free.
Rheem Performance Platinum 50 Gal. 10-Year Hybrid High Efficiency Tank Electric Heat Pump Water Heater is the best WH on the planet. I bought mine in 2019 or 2020 with $800 rebate from our local power company. The app shows you power use per day, week, month and year. For 2023 i have used 434 kWh. During the hot summer months i put it on energy efficient which turns it to both electric and heat pump mode. The heat pump takes the heat out of my garage from the top of the unit and pushes cool air on the side of the unit cooling my garage a bit. During the winter i put it on electric only because my garage is cold so heat pump wont help.
that heat pump isn't going to help your situation . You live in California no matter how much money you make the politicians and their friends will take it .
We have a Bosh here is PA and it has really kept us comfortable even when the temps are 5-10 degrees here in winter.
Get surge protection on there asap
I have 36 years of HVAC under my belt and have installed many Bosch IDS systems, not sure where to begin, first off the Bosch IDS outdoor unit is only manufactured as a heat pump, thus meaning it will work with an air handler with or without back up electric strip heat, or in a duel fuel setup with a gas furnace. They mentioned your locations climate is mild and you would not need supplemental heat, they disregarded the fact that while a properly installed Bosch IDS condenser rarely fails, they can still fail. Therefor if I had been your contractor, assuming you didn't have the wiring for backup strip heat, I would have recommended a Bosch furnace instead of the air handler without backup strip heat since you did have gas available. You would still be primarily a heat pump conditioned home, but with the ability to have backup fossil fuel.
THe good news is that the Bosch IDS is above average in reliability, the bad news is that if/when it does fail, you have no backup, yet you could have.
Past that so not impressed with the install, again where to begin, piping of the refrigerant lines used excessive amounts of fittings, apparently they don't own or use tubing benders. They never showed brazing or soldering of those connections, so I can only hope they did it properly under nitrogen purge. Service side of the condenser is way way to close to the house, not even close to minimum recommendations of any manufacturer, and a sure way to piss off a tech trying to diagnose fix it. Also of mention, the filter/dryer should be installed indoor near the evaporator coil, not outside at the condenser.
Don't see an RSH 50 or equivalent surge protector at the disconnect. that is a 1k plus control board, it needs surge protection, Bosch insists on it.
Last guy states, after his or another company hooks up gauges over and over for 10-15 years you might need to add refrigerant. He is correct on that, where he is wrong is that after a proper installation, gauges/manifolds should never be hooked up unless their is a problem to diagnose and repair.Otherwise there is no need to hookup.
All performance data can be gathered and calculated using psycho-metrics without hooking up hoses to the refrigerant circuit.
From the video, I won't say they know nothing about HVAC as a whole, but I do feel they don't fully understand inverter driven systems based on their comments.
As much as I love the Bosch IDS system, at the end of the day, the duct work is the most important factor, and no piece of equipment can fully correct that, some might overcome it better than others, but none fix it.
Last note, I am assuming the last guy was the owner that quoted 10-15k for a High efficiency system. WOW last year we did a 3 system replacement using Bosch IDS systems for 26k. Damn either we are underbidding massively or others are just price gouging, I'll have to sleep on that, and well I sleep good knowing we make money but don't rip people off.
Where do you service and install? I'm thinking of going with this 20 seer Bosch system. Is a heat pump the same as a furnace? I have electric and no gas.
@@WolfNRaven Heat pumps and furnaces are not the same, but can be used together in whats called duel fuel setups.
All Bosch condensers are heat pumps so they can be coupled with a fossil fuel furnace with an evaporator coil, or be matched with an air handler with or without supplemental/backup electric strip heat.
Climate is a huge factor in system design especially heat pumps and any need to supplement with strip heat, not knowing your climate I cannot go into all factors.
In short heat gain vs. heat loss factor greatly in heat pump design.
Comment back with where you live, there are huge differences between say any southern state vs. Northern and north eastern states, and other implications for the in between states.
I am in southern Illinois, where neither heat gain or heat loss take precedent, we have to balance both, some climates require one way more than the other.
I will watch for your reply, even if you are a 1000miles away, and I cannot physically assist, will gladly do what I can in you tube comments.
@@ZERO-F2G-thank you for the above comment I wish you were in NJ. Im having 2 system hopefully installed in next week or two. Both are bosh ids 18ser. AC and heat pumps with electric stips. I have oil as my back up. In my areas I have ofter power outages sometimes long sometimes quick. Can you recomend a surge protector for the units? Thank you in advance.
@@cvello3275 We use RSH-50 surge protectors at the outdoor unit disconnect box, even if the house has surge protection at the panel.
They are inexpensive, and I believe superior to their competitors, and both my Bosch and Mitsubishi distributors recommend those.
Side note; Check with your electrical provider about rebates. Where I am at the IDS18 HP doesn't qualify, but the IDS20 does. We can hit the needed efficiency for the rebate with an IDS 20 heat pump and either or 18 or 20 air handler or coil in duel fuel setup.
There are also federal tax credits you can apply for.
@@ZERO-F2G- awesome thank you for getting back to me whats your thoughts on the ICM517 thats what I was originally recommended. Also your thoughts on thermostat im looking at honeywell nothing to smart or crazy like nest
Hope to see an update in a few months to check out the bill after a full year.
I just put a 3 ton 20 seer in my own house. With employee discount from supplier, 2k instant rebate from utility company the equipment only came out to $3100 and some change. Plus I got a $900 tax credit. Getting ready to put an AO Smith heat pump water heater because they’re offering an instant rebate for $1600 and it only costs $1700.
WoW! Thx for the information 👍🏻
I'm hoping it helps someone. I wish I would have done It a long time ago.
I charge extra when the customer is asking me this many questions 😂
This is a marketing piece for them.
So was the Hvac the reason you thought you needed solar....maybe changing it out first would have saved massively????? curious as im going through something similar
There’s a better thermostat Eccobee that works directly with Bosch and you can make all kinds of adjustment's . I think he installed a Bosch thermostat which are decent. It looks like he hasn’t sent his crew for factory training . It’s expensive but it’s a lot more expensive to not train everyone. Maybe supervisors are getting the training? The idea with that is they are supposed to come back and start training everyone else . Typically that happens on weekends and it’s important. We bring everyone that’s foreman and above in on Saturday for all day and it’s mandatory. We have our own training center and we either have our own people doing it or we hire professionals and factory reps are always available. Ours is all union workforce big company and it’s always popular because we feed everyone all day long . A
How are you liking the new unit, did it save you monthly over this past year
Hopefully he did some envelope upgrades and sized it properly with a load calculation
Why not upgrade the system to a heat pump?
Surge protector a must!
Did they check static pressure ? They don’t seem well knowledgeable on this unit when they answer the questions
This was 10 months ago, what is the balance on your true up to date? Has it gone down. Were having this system installed in a few days. Our true up is insane like yours is.
@@living4christ yes. Major difference. We are almost even on our electricity now.
The indoor unit does not communicate with the outside unit that’s why everyone loves the Bosch. Time for a training class.
although the indoor unit can be staged and the heatpump adjusts. wiring with only y1/single stage is a waste
Go to your thermostat and update the firmware major update in March this year
Next you need to replace your gas water heater with an electric heat pump water heater. So many rebates and deals in California you can probably get it for free.
We did that, it’s in the video.
@@btuff 15:23 that’s an AOSmith gas water heater.
Rheem Performance Platinum 50 Gal. 10-Year Hybrid High Efficiency Tank Electric Heat Pump Water Heater is the best WH on the planet. I bought mine in 2019 or 2020 with $800 rebate from our local power company. The app shows you power use per day, week, month and year. For 2023 i have used 434 kWh. During the hot summer months i put it on energy efficient which turns it to both electric and heat pump mode. The heat pump takes the heat out of my garage from the top of the unit and pushes cool air on the side of the unit cooling my garage a bit. During the winter i put it on electric only because my garage is cold so heat pump wont help.
What is a “true up bill”? Never heard of it
99% of hot spots are dictated by ductwork sizing and placement
Don’t use line voltage monitor
The outdoor unit is way too close to the wall
the startup of a regular a/c unit is so short the spike doesn't impact utility bills - talking less than a second.
Its a win win all the way around. Until it doesnt work and nobody can fix it.
that heat pump isn't going to help your situation . You live in California no matter how much money you make the politicians and their friends will take it .
Buy solar ac unit will not solve the problem. Pge will keep charging more.