Anakin vs Luke is CLOSER than you think
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- Опубліковано 12 лис 2022
- In this video I go over Luke Skywalker vs his father Anakin Skywalker the fight is way closer than a lot of people like to make it seem even when using both contuities "Legends/Canon" like I do in this video I try to make it clear when I'm talking about one or the other but a few may have slipped through this video without my mentioning.
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Goated video bro
So far goated video
Six for these video you need to cover more information. Your leaving a lot of stuff on the table.
@@Talesofaweedsmoker I did that on purpose I think it's better for conversation this way.
After hours of calculations I came to the conclusion that Madara wins
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Anakin was more of a Knight whereas Luke leaned more towards the Consular tree. However, their natural gifts along with Luke's dedication to absorbing as much knowledge as possible is what made them S tier across all force using templates
Agreed I think they both represent their lightsaber colors well
Luke gives me Mace Windu vibes where as he uses dark side moves as a Jedi but doesn’t let the dark side take over. Force Crush would be a dark side move he used similarly to how Mace used it to crush General Grievous’s lungs.
Well force crush isn’t a dark side ability since even Obi Wan uses it. And in canon, any use of the darkside is what cause imbalance.
@@alexdeghost2729 I think the distinction lies in the targets it's used on. Using it on organics is clearly an overstep, while using it against machines is not...
Though there was a named technique to that by being able to use dark side moves but still be a Jedi
@@alexdeghost2729 it’s a forbidden move. It’s definitely a Dark Side ability but Obi and Mace used it to save lives and Luke used it just because he can.
@@gameuniverse5973 it’s Mace Windu’s Lightsaber combat form, it’s form 7 but it’s his version Vaapod I might’ve spelled it wrong but that’s what it is 😂
Thank you for making this, the Luke downplay over the last few years has been insane.
Luke’s always been downplayed sadly
It's because the Jedi was stacked in Anakin's era, so there's more people to compare his power to.
Luke had no jedi competition so that needs to be taken into account which six did not.
Of anything he’s being wanked to oblivion because of the mandalorion season 2 finale.
It doesn't make any sense though Anakin is stronger
I definitely want to see more star wars vids from you.
Me too 🙌
This can be a tricky topic because in Legends, Darth Vader’s force potential was cut down significantly after his duel with Obi Wan along with Palpatine giving him a rigged suit that nerfed his power even more so.
However in canon, it’s stated that Anakin’s injuries from Mustifar actually made him even more powerful with his potential intact with Palpatine giving him a suit to maintain his body so he could use said power and even letting Vader build his own suit himself soon after which is stated to not only maintain his body but enhance it as well, increasing his power.
If that was true then vader would’ve surpassed Palpatine . He stated that as much. So Vaders potential can’t be in tact
Lucas said he is 80% palatine power and could have been more than twice as powerful
In legends its debatable If vader ws actually weakened
@@historyking9984 or Palpatine was that much stronger you forgot early palps was equal to Yoda
@@Vader255 No, it's not. He was weaker at first and his potential is permanently nerfed to a lower cap, but he did surpass his pre-suit self.
I think Anikan wins 4/10 times but in dominant fashion. Luke would probably win 6/10 times but it'd be a close fight every time.
Depends on the versions Darth Vader fight Luke might beat clone war Anakin pretty easily
Mando Luke wins high dif but legends Luke wins no/low diff
@@2kx62 if you watched the video he said it's not about legends. It's for the Disney cannon.
@@ekayn1606 me personally I don't consider the disney cannon to real star wars, disney star wars is just crap other than the shows the shows are good
@@ekayn1606 it’s almost as if Mando isn’t on Disney+
Hey Six, wanted to say great video and I am all for more Star Wars content. I love your Naruto vs and analysis vids so it would be awesome to see that applied to more SW.
Honestly, was super interested to see how you approached this- unsurprisingly very similar to your naruto vids, and you crushed this too (im a star wars sweaty so i came in a bit… idk doubtful?). Loved the wholistic view you took. You clearly have done your research! Might disagree with some interpretations of some of the writing though, but that isnt on you, rather the writers and george’s lack of apparent interest in specific powers- especially when it came to overseeing EU stuff. Would love to see you do some more star wars !
Been waiting on this thanks!
Great video love it. I just have to subscribe to you for this. This video is great but I think that Legends grandmaster Luke one_shots Anakin via many statements and feats.
And I really like that you mix power-scaling and Battle-analysis. Like you use statements allot but also analyse there fighting styles and Hax. And you mix power scaling and battle analysis and i really like it.
The only thing I can criticise is that you mix legends and canon statements and why I think that it would be better to stick with one continuity because there are many statements in legends and canon that contradict each other if you use both continuity’s.
But overall love the video and I’m excited to se more Star Wars videos from you.
I've seen numerous sources say that Anakin and Luke have the same force potential
And numerous other sources say otherwise. The lore is so convoluted
@@Cope69 indeed it is
if we compared their primes, luke stomps in canon and legends
luke's growth was insane yet believable in the trilogy, he was able to effectively block blaster bolts after a couple hours of training, and was able to use the force to precisely hit a shot to destroy the death star.
luke was already stronger than most opponents vader had fought beforehand in TEsB and vader was very impressed with Luke's skills. luke had almost doubled in power by the next movie
there are a few reasons why Luke was able to become so broken in such an accellerated rate that people don't understand
Luke inherited ALL of anakin's potential, but the game changers here is his mindset was FAR better suited to control of the force than anakin was, he didnt have a sad childhood or stress or anything. this means that he was able to learn even more effectively than Anakin was. this is also partly because he started so late. infact, leia is even superior to luke in this aspect which is why yoda woudl have preffered to train her instead.
second, the Jedi order had a flawed teaching system. they were purposely holding anakin back, which is why he did not grow as fast as luke did, he never got the oppurtunity to because the jedi training itself existed. he was withheld information, not allowed freedom, was in the hands of a very inexperienced master ( sorry obi wan ), while Luke did not have this, he had to do everything on his own until he met yoda. he was able to read anything he could find without some boomers lecturing you to stop. this infringement on info is also a reason why anakin turned and luke didn't.
and lastly, people absolutely downplay how much "training" luke gets. the fact that he didnt have formal training was a good thing, not a ad thing. the jedi were weak as dogshit before the clone wars started. there wasnt as much emphasis on strength because there literally was no need. luke's entire training took place during a period of WAR, jedi padawans and knights during the clone wars were significantly more powerful than their predecessors because they were training in a time of WAR. it's also why Anakin was able to double his power in just three years. Luke was literally the LAST HOPE for the jedi, luke went through training with yoda akin to taking a crash course. they were serious this time around.
In canon, luke in RotJ was scaling relative to vader, who was multiple times stated to be at his prime in that year ( although he wasn't at his strongest during that fight but neither was luke ) and that is when he was on the defensive, an aggressive luke was able to pummel vader down in around 20 seconds. luke is already confirmed the strongest foe vader has fought. this is just a year after TEsB, and he became 2x stronger. the entire training of the OT takes place over a course of four years.
there is a POSSIILITY he took down a star destroyer during the battle of Jakku but that's dubious
by the time of the Mandalorian luke has had an extra 5 years to hone his skill and learn more about the force, and its more time than the OT itself
luke was likely in his prime right before he cut himself from the force, which we never get to see unfortunately. however, we are able to estimate his power at this point.
Kylo learned pretty much all he knew from Luke and kylo ren is likely somewhere between the level of a sith assassin (ventress, savage) to a Sith Lord ( dooku, vader, maul ) if we downplay him to the limit.
Kylo's feats incude-
easily stopping a blaster bolt
easily freezing people in their tracks
with his army taking down a Zillo beast, something Vader had failed at
collapsing statues
in TLJ a luke who had JUST reconnected with the force was able to create a force projection so realistic it was tangible at will and fooled kylo's entire fleet. he was also absolutely dogging with kylo no diff.
Luke had a duel with snoke and it's implied that he won the fight, and that he created the scar on snokes face during the fight. this means that Luke prime would have to be RotJ palpatine level or higher. also do not forget that luke was feared by palpatine on exegol and it was implied he could have foiled his plans had he knew of exegol's existence. Vader is commonly shown in his comics how big the difference in power between them really is. so it's clear that Luke would be the victor if they ever fought again.
in Legends, Luke became the most powerful non-god force user in existance, and i think everyody knows t=hed mop the floor with any non-god vader or anakin
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You essentially said everything I’ve been saying for the last 2 years. I agree with Everything you’ve said except the Kylo bit.
ATJ Rey >> ATS Sidious >>>>> EOS Rey < Rey and Ben ~> Ben Solo >~ Master Luke >> ROTJ Sidious >> ROTJ Luke > ROTJ Vader >>> ANH Kenobi >>> Anakin
I swear I saw a quote or something like that from a George Lucas interview where he said Grandmaster Luke did fulfill the full power of the chosen one that Anakin couldn't achieve.
Legends luke is build different y’all don’t even understand
@@trev9168 When you think about what full potential Anakin did in the Clone Wars, and then add that it's been stated Luke had the same potential and actually fulfilled it, that's stupid powerful.
@@Just_a_Tool that wasnt even his full potential bro, in terms of skill his vader days were prob the closest considering that suit was a huge nerf and he was still able to be on top
Grandmaster Luke is just built differently
@@majora919 I'm talking about an episode in the Clone Wars where they went to some planet and the planet basically would bring out a force user's full potential. On that planet were the embodiments of the force. The light side and dark side were scrapping, and full potential Anakin just threw them apart and told them to cut that shit out.
Bro treated the embodiments of the force like toddlers.
And then Grandmaster Luke reached that level.
Man I'm 💀
Anakin in the Mortis arc of the clone wars was probably the strongest person in the canon verse in terms of raw force power
I’m honestly contemplating if you took the skill away from him and just gave him the raw force power how high he’d be on the totem pole
it showed what he could do with the full potential of the chosen one
yeah tbh im surprised his feats on Mortis weren't touched on
Mortis Anakin should scale above legends GM Luke tbh.
He ragdolled The Son and The Daughter who together imprisoned Abeloth whenever she escaped. And Abeloth is stronger than Luke.
@@phobikshiki doesn’t really matter tbh. How much stronger he actually is isn’t really quantifiable
@@trev9168 the comment above urs negs ur statement hard
My only thing about the speed things , they moved ALOT slower and more sluggish in the og trio . 1,2,3 was visually better to watch
Six doing Star Wars scaling is something I didn’t know I needed, but definitely do.
It depends. Legends-wise, Luke mops the floor with Anakin. In Canon, it's pretty damn close, but I gotta hand it to Anakin high-extreme difficulty, simply because the contest cannot be decided by their knowledge on the Force (Lucas said they have equal power) but our skills with a lightsaber (which Anakin takes it)
Eh, Vader is the greatest duelist in History and Luke completely out dueled him. Luke got it mid diff
@@BasedKuuTooGourmet 1. Luke outdueled him with a rage amp
2. Vader was conflicted, as Luke himself stated explicitly
@@darthshadow576bro statements from multiple guidebooks and novels said they were equal in duelling and force power in rotj.
@@LegendofSWedits Vader was conflicted, which hampered him. Those statements don't deny that.
@@darthshadow576 the guidebooks aren’t talking about conflicted Luke or Vader. Most of them say something like “Luke and very are equal in duelling and force power by rotj”. It’s not talking about the fight on rotj.
Damn G, first time I've seen a video before it was up an hour.
Something I’d love to see is Luke Skywalker using Anakin’s form 5 tree chopping techniques and back flourishes from Episode 3 with his Book of Boba Fett attire.
That exists just look of book of boba Fett episode with Luke
@@ADN64 He ain’t doing Anakin’s moves in that episode :P
What if you did a video where you put together a Jedi/Sith strike team (from any era) to take down Abeloth?
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When is Obito vs Darth Vader dropping
Keep up the Star Wars content!
Maybe make a video about Darth Maul next?
Darth maul vs general grievous or rebel Ashoka
Great vid Sixxy.
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darth vader vs yoda.
anakin skywalker vs mace windu?
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So anakin's battle experience means nothing luke had zero competition which would become a factor in a versus.
Bruh, even a suppressed Vader would've beaten most of the Jedi.
@@davonbenson179 i know.
@@Talesofaweedsmoker then that's all the experience he needs, Vader was the greatest sith duelist of all time and had the most Jedi kills ever soooo.
Anakin never reached his full potential, aside from maybe on Mortiss.
You could also say that Luke was held back by his lack of training, and would been much stronger if he was raised during the time of the Old Republic.
I see Luke as more of a Jedi nerd who studied everything he could possibly get his hands on due to being the last living Jedi, and having had very limited interaction with other Jedi, which probably accounts for the wider arsenal of techniques he had - Anakin meanwhile felt held back and was impatient and overconfident, relying on the more direct and physical apsects of the force, alongside his overwhelming force potential.
Hidalgo's conclusion is basically what I had assumed - that they're similar in power, but Anakin's lack of control would defeat him...
Great video! Love the Star Wars content, but still waiting for Vader vs Obito!
The winner is obviously the Chosen One :D
It's literally stated that if Anikan never lost his limbs from his battle on mustafar with obi he would've been thee most powerful force adept/duelist in history. Luke is basically what Anikan would've become if he had never turned to the darkside albeit more powerful.
And even then, Anakin had far more potential than Luke. So hypothetically if Anakin was still himself by ROTJ he'd be exponentially stronger than Luke was there and he'd still be able to grow stronger
Yup
This video is a 10/10 💯 can we get a Revan vs video in the future
Maybe, idk that much about em tbh.
@@sixfromtokyo bruh you haven't played Kotor 🤨 I don't believe it
@@CoachKayveezzy Knights of the Old Republic?
@@sixfromtokyo that's the one
Dope video!!!
It is insane how much people downplay Luke. People seem to unconsciously favor Anakin in every aspect, which is incredibly frustrating.
Feel like that is the opposite tbh the amount of GM Luke hype I see when he’s not even really that good if you actually read the books
@@Vaelias canon luke.
@@Small_Hollow don’t know much about canon but the story concepts from the movies still remain the same and that’s that Anakin is the Chosen One only ye can bring balance to the force because his spiritual balance is the balance of the universe him cleansing himself cleanses the galaxy, and Luke is the catalyst to do that but he can’t do it himself, Luke doesn’t have that inherent Chosen One link to the galaxy
@@Vaelias It’s been confirmed multiple times throughout both canons that the descendants of anakin inherit his potential so you’re just simply wrong lol
@@DrUmar-gu4kp that’s never once stated lol, at least not outside of anything post release of the prequel trilogy, someone’s been watching too many “STAR WARS CONFIRMS” UA-cam videos lol
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I think this is a topic that must of the sw fans disagree about, but good video its very entertaining
Legends continuity will always go harder in the paint
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Nice video.
At 13:41 personaly I don't think it would make much sense for Knightfall Vader to
be more powerful than Sidious/Abeloth/Krayt especially when you can argue Suit Vader>Knightfall Vader.
I generally agree w/ that I just don't think Sidious at his peak is weaker than Knightfall Vader due to Sidious growing stronger overtime.
Its kinda implied anakin never got to reach his full potential
Yeah but that kinda null with Luke being stated to have gained Anakin potential
@@gameuniverse5973 Luke doesn’t have Anakin potential those comments refer to Luke’s potential to surpass the emperor not to be as powerful as Anakin could have been, Luke’s just a really powerful Force User, Anakin on the other hand is the embodiment of the force, like the Father
Him not reaching his potential doesn’t preclude him being the most powerful character in Star Wars already, could he have been more powerful, sure, but he’s still more powerful than everyone else, Lucas also says he doubled in power since season 6 of clone wars, 6 months before ROTS, and his full potential was twice as powerful as that, so it would only be another 6 months until he reaches it at the same growth rate but joining the dark side his growth rate goes up tenfold, so he’s pretty close to FP if not there already by the time he has the red eyes on mustafar
@@Vaelias He gets downplayed a lot because of his loss to Obiwan who's actually mid in force power. Not a whole lot of people understand being conflicted is a nerf in this series. Biggest example in their duel is their force push clash equaling each other.
@@Cope69 yeah people seem to not realise the force is your emotions, being conflicted and having no control of your emotions is a huge nerf, you’ve also got Anakin thinking he can just pummel Kenobi with brute force and a flurry of fancy moves instead of fighting smart cos he’s so arrogant, that’s a huge part of it, Kenobis definitely not mid tier in power but infinitely below Anakin still for sure
Nice upscale, I approve
This should not be as much of a debate as it actually is. There are a couple of points that have got to be made here.
1. Vader is stronger than Anakin. He is not as fast or as agile, but he is physically stronger because of his prosthetics, and his fighting style is more refined than Anakin's, since he had to reinvent it after Mustafar to complete on the imperfections of Anakin's fighting style. Vader is also stronger in the force than Anakin. He probably wouldn't have reached his full potential in the state that he was in, although that is still debatable and even Sidious believed the handicap that was holding back Vader was a psychological one, not a physical one. Vader used the force with more expertise than Anakin because unlike Anakin Vader cared to study it for applications other than just enhancing himself physically and poltergeisting his enemies and environment. Plus he was actually immersed in the dark side.
2. Luke has the same potential as Anakin. For starters Lucas said so. Secondly, there is no reason to assume that midichlorian counts dilute across generations. Combine Luke's fast progression and with the fact that Sidious was afraid that he could destroy the Sith I think that is a solid argument at least.
All that being said: Luke beat Vader at the conclusion of ROTJ. And people will say that Vader was conflicted and holding back. Well, yeah... For a time. And don't forget, if you look at the fight again, Luke was also holding back. More evidently so too. In the novelization Vader is even frustrated and angered at the fact that he can't beat Luke, and the narrator states that the two are fighting "on equal ground". So yes, Luke would beat Anakin, but it would sure be the hell of a fight
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I’ve never watched a single naruto video you’ve done with the exception of with Swag but let’s see how this goes.
I think people want to downplay Luke mainly because he never finished his training but he's a prodigy so can't really determine what he can and can't pick up in a short amount of time
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Honestly I've never looked into Star wars battles but lowkey now I wanna hear more 😂
Can discuss some of the basics w u if ya want on discord I do this a lot
Starkiller vs mace windu let go
@@gameuniverse5973 Mace Windu one shots him, Starkiller is weaker than ANH Vader who’s infinitely weaker than TPM Kenobi lol
@@Vaelias ill pay you 500$ to show the infinitely weaker claim. One of the wildest claims ive ever seen.
@@DocGoon Looks like you owe me $500 then cos Im about to show you
First off ill just establish that Starkiller benefits from being in a game which is an exaggerated Medium, this means the Force is exaggerated for gameplay purposes and wow factor, but this is not how events would play out in the real medium which is the film medium, take Original 2003 CW for example, Mace blows away armies of Battle droids easily, why didn't he do this in AOTC in the arena ? because OCW is an exaggerated Medium like TFU. put it simply in a film medium SK isn't going to be lashing around ships with ease or anything like that
"Q:Tasty, have you given any thought to the canon level of the sheer Force power Darth Vader's Apprentice displays in the upcoming Force Unleashed game?
A: Leland Chee: The Force is definitely amped up to enhance gameplay. Star Wars in its various forms is always going to be taylored to specific mediums, whether it be for gameplay, artistic, or technical reasons. What we see in the films are the true representation of Force abilities."
-Leland Chee, Keeper of the Holocron
"character tiers/power levels/ rankings is whatever is needed for gameplay for the specific medium"
--Leland Chee, Keeper of the Holocron
"To that end, he and his team set out to, as the title of the game implies, give players Force abilities more powerful than they had previously seen. While the Jedi Knight games, for example, let you use Force grip to throttle enemies and throw our lightsabers to eviscerate foes from afar, you never had the opportunity to pull a spaceship out of the sky or charge a lightsaber with Force lightning. That’s the territory where Mr. Blackman headed.
“In general,” he said, “we were really trying to re-imagine Star Wars in a very dramatic way and show gamers something they’d never seen before. We looked back at other games and asked: ‘What’s the biggest, most over-the-top moment or power in this game? Okay, now how do we push that even further?’”
He added: “In the films and previous games, a Force push might knock an enemy down, but in The Force Unleashed, you hit that enemy with an invisible cannonball that sends them flying backwards and smashes into anything behind them. And we allow you to combine different Force powers in new and innovative ways. For example, you can super-charge a gripped enemy with lightning.”
www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/the_force_unleashed_pushing_star_wars_over_the_top
We went through a couple other concepts in the meantime before we fully embraced the idea of the force unleashed, but, uh, then that was the next big meeting with him, was going in and saying "Hey look we want to create this game when we have these over-the-top force powers and then there's Darth Vader secret apprentice and those were kind of the two big things he had to agree with, and, you know, I was concerned about them both, I didn't know how he was going to react, and when he saw the video, this little preview video showing these over-the-top force powers, he's like "Yeah that looks perfect for a video game, go make that."
-Star Wars : The Force Unleashed Dev Commentary Pt 4
now that that's understood ill get into the scaling
Starkiller is less powerful than TFU Vader who's constantly growing up to ROTJ
"When we focus tested the concepts we didn't tell the testers anything about the story. One of the overriding feedback answers was that they wanted the apprentice to be human, athletic and powerful. Not too powerful though, as he shouldn't eclipse Vader. But the key thing was that they wanted to look at the character and see that he could be redeemed. Obviously redemption is one of the key themes of the Star Wars saga. They all said it was great hunting down Jedi and being Vader's dog but ultimately they wanted the character to be redeemed."
-Haden Blackman, the Guardian interview
'The Characters can’t seem too powerful initially. This direction was actually based on focused-test data, which admittedly caught the tram by surprise. Testers felt that the character should not start out looking as powerful as Vader, since he is essentially Vader’s servant '
-Haden Blackman, The Force Unleashed II Star Wars Insider
'We felt strongly that the final villain should be a force-wielder who was more powerful (and much more evil) than the apprentice. We were wary of using Darth Vader or the Emperor in this role, since we know that the player would not be able to kill either of those characters'
-Haden Blackman, The Force Unleashed II Star Wars Insider
'We also decided to set Vader’s power levels well above the apprentice’s starting power levels to give players a glimpse of what they can become later in the game and help build tension when players realise that they will inevitably be forced to fight this fearsome character. '
-Haden Blackman, The Force Unleashed II Star Wars Insider
So at best Starkiller becomes as powerful as TFU Vader, whos still weaker than ANH Vader
My Master seems pleased; his apprentice grows ever stronger
-Galactic Battlegrounds
As he grew in strength, the emperor gave Vader more and more authority and responsibility.
- The Star Wars Sourcebook
Luke Skywalker in TESB is more powerful and a greater challenge to Vader than Starkiller and is directly stated to beat him in a fight
"34 Versus: Lightsabers clash as Luke Skywalker takes on the secret apprentice in a duel to the death!
Versus Who Wins? Its a tough fight with two powerful Force-Users battling it out until one warrior stands. The victor of this frenetic battle is Luke Skywalker, Jedi Knight."
-Star Wars: Insider #106
ROTJ Luke and Vader are far more powerful again than they where in TESB and still below PT Jedi like Maul and TPM Kenobi
Maul is the quickest, seemingly deadliest villain we’d seen in Star Wars up to that point, and we believe in him as a viable threat, spinning a double-bladed lightsaber with ease, and unbelievably agile.
- Nick Gillard Fightsaber
GEORGE LUCAS: We've actually never seen real Jedi at work, we've only seen crippled half-droid half-men and young boys that have learned from these old people. So to see a Jedi in his prime fighting in the prime of the Jedi, I want it to be a much more energetic and faster version of what we've been doing
-Star Wars Episode I Featurette: Fights
"In the first film, Episode IV, it was a fight between a very old man and a man who was only partially a man and mostly a mechanical being so it wasn't really much of a sword fight at all.
In every Episode, from IV, V, and VI, I kept improving the sword fighting because the assumption was that Luke getting to be a better fighter, he was learning more. But at the same time he still wasn't being trained as an original Jedi would have been trained.
Then when we move to the Prequel, where there were Jedi and they're full flower and fighting as they were in the past, you know well-trained Jedi then we had to make the sword fights much, much faster, much more sophisticated, and much more aggressive in terms of the way they're fought, and we continued that. The fights become actually much more ferocious than say the ones in Episodes IV, V, and VI.
Star Wars: George Lucas The Birth of the Lightsaber Featurette
and ill just leave it at that I dont think I need to prove how ROTS Mace is far and above TPM Kenobi lol but War Growth is a huge thing that's emphasized too so the Clone Wars is where Jedi experience most of their growth, to where AOTC Anakin is said to 'cream' TPM Maul in a fight lol, might also note that Luke 8 years after ROTJ is put with Callista Ming who is a Padawan that's below S1 Ahsoka so these gaps are huge.
ROTS Jedi >>> TPM Jedi > ROTJ Vader & Luke > TESB Vader > ANH Vader > TFU Vader ~ Starkiller
Starkiller gets nailed to a wall and chopped up, hope that explained it for ya anyways 👍
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From what i understand: rotj is not Luke's peak, nor is it Anakin's. It was only after the war was over that Luke could focus much more on his Jedi endeavors and become even stronger.
Edit: i also want to point out a few things
1) in ESB and ROTJ we see luke doing back flips and what not, indicating that his training was very effective
2) piggybacking off the first point, Anakin received training from both Yoda and Obiwan, and i think Luke definitley received betterquality training as both masters were even wiser and learned from the mistakes they made when training Anakin. Basically quality vs quantity. Luke probably got a better understanding of the force, while anakin got a better understanding of saber forms and jedi political matters (before ep.2 there was dialogue suggesting certain diplomatic missions).
3) this one is just a hypothesis, perhaps one's connection with the force and familiarity with it would negate the attacking person's ability to use the force against them. For example vader bringing entire ships down is a powerful feat, but a ship isnt force sensitive - a jedi is, so one could only use so many force abilities, not to mention the amount of focus it would take to pull off said moves, potentially leaving a vulnerability to a saber strike, as a lightsaber duel would also require a good amount of focus.
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i think you fail to mention that one of your sources 'family at war' states luke at the time of rotj as having lightsaber skills below obi wan as of rots.
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So when rebel era Ashoka vs clone war Anakin, Palpatine fight Darth maul vs general grievous,starkiller vs mace windu,cal from Jedi fallen order vs Erza from star war rebels,Yoda vs Kylo Ren,count dooku vs rebel era Darth maul,and rebel era obi wan vs pre empire Palpatine
1. Ashoka slams anakin she's stated around the level of vader she also scraps with him and it's stated they kinda had a stalemate.
2. Maul slams grievous he did it in son of dathomir. Maul as well thinks he can slam dooku but grievous thinks dooku slams him
3. I'd argue maybe Ezra due to the fact he got massively stronger and it's implied he's stronger than season 2 kanan who could scrap with the grand inqusitor and got stronger. While cal struggles with a weaker Inqsuitor and gets bodied by vader.
Kylo ren slams dooku he's stated only below vader as Palpatines apprentice.
Maul is stated around the level of vader he slams dooku
Obi wan vs Palpatine is a slam for Palpatine ben kenobi sucks in Canon it's stated he got weaker and struggles with bounty hunters
I liked it.
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Cool.
Just to note, it has been implied (or outright stated) by George Lucas that Anakin’s potential carried onto Luke. So, Luke essentially has his father’s potential in the Force according to George Lucas AND has more talent in the ways of the Force and combat than his father was.
Nahh id rather go off novels that are set in stone
I agree Luke would likely win but if Anakin kept a level head I think his years of experience in actual combat would be a huge advantage for him. On top of his real life combat experience, Anakin would have been able to spar against practiced masters of all the forms Luke would use.
Six, this is kind of a weird VS battle to ask but, can you do Anakin vs Vader?
I know he's the same guy, but the Jedi Knight we see in Episode 2, TCW, and Episode 3 has a very different fighting style & mental approach to combat than the cybernetic suit-clad Sith Lord seen in Rebels, Rogue One, and Episodes 4-6.
Knight Anakin and Suit Vader are different-enough characters that I'd like to see them fight.
Vader beats any version Anakin except Mortis
Anakin and Vader are not the same person
@@gameuniverse5973 it depends if you go by Lucas words or Disney canon ( or even legend ) . In Lucas word or legend ROTS anakin wins , if you go by Disney canon : Vader should win by empire strike back ( probably loses in 10 years from episode 3 )
@@gameuniverse5973 I disagree. I agree that Vader is more powerful than Anakin but he is much more apparent weaknesses.
1)when reminded of the past he gets much weaker. Like when he lost to Obi wan twice and Luke
2)he has alot of depression and self loathing. This affects his performance.
3) less mobile
4) life support system is easy to target
Anakin has plenty of options to take him down
PLO koon vs kit fists plz
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Great video
Can you do Luffy Vs Naruto
Could you make a Jedi as a Naruto character? Like similar to the video what if rock lee could use ninjutsu
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Wix Video, now drop vader vs obito 😈😈
7:32 i don't know about that one chief i can bring a ton of things saying he isn't
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Great video. In canon vader pinned sidious to a wall and when sidious defeated vader he was weakend and not fighting back. Sidious and vader are close in both legends and disney. Mixing continuities doesn't work and makes it hard to follow. Luke definitely beats Anakin in canon but its a bit closer in legends because there is alot more proof vader was hinderd and holding back.
Vader is 80% of sidious in legends,yes it is close but sidious would still trump him with some difficulty.
Infact legends vader ( Soon after ROTS tho) had serious trouble beating a weakened maul, ROTJ vader is stronger than this Version of vader but we dont know by how much.
So overall i disagree with vader being close to sidious in legends.
Can we get an itachi vs minato vid?
can we get rebels ahsoka vs clone wars dooku
Ashoka slams badly she's stated almost equal to rebels vader and she just scraps with him while dooku gets beat up by jedi anakin
Rebels vs Rots Dooku makes more sense
Man Anakin One of my favourite characters in cinema but something tells me Luke has him beat both in there primes.
bro plz obito vs vader
I'd always be interested in star wars.
Also, I got Grandmaster Luke clappin Anakin and Vader. Anakin is very powerful and all but Luke can become one with the force.
@sixfromtokyo knight fall Vader is far from anakins strongest “Form”, Anakin on mortis from the clone wars TV show would absolutely mop the floor with all forms of Luke.
I got another interesting question, Vader at his strongest vs Anakin before his turn to the dark side
Anakin loses
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But how would they handle Kakuzu's RAW DURABILITY?
Rots is still my fav
The mortis ack tho?
I didnt even know star wars scaling was a thing😂
Every type of scaling exist even Barney scaling exist
i wish the NJO books were canon
Anakin as Vader > Luke during the same timeframe
Luke as jedi master in the new era> Any version of anakin
ROTJ Luke is confirmed more powerful than Anakin in canon. Being equal to Vader in force power puts him above Anakin since it’s also stated Vader is more powerful than himself as Anakin….ROTJ Luke in canon stomps pretty badly here but nice video.
Anakin is more skilled but Luke is far more powerful.
Now what I’d really like to see is a video of Anakin vs Luke with pure current canon material.
It's very debatable like the main argument for Luke is the vader stuff witch is highly contentious so if you don't agree with that anakin should slam
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4:56 but that novel is outdated and before Anakin even was shown
Thought six was white and heard bro say the n-word in one of his streams and was straight discombobulated ☠
bro was flabbergasted
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Imo If it was Rots Anakin vs Rotj Luke I think anakin had the edge just outta raw strength and experience.
However, If it was Mandalorian/Boba Fett Luke Vs Rots Anakin I think it would be alot closer with Luke being able to win
Bro star wars theory and other folks would agree I kinda hate when yall get into the star wars debate and bring anakin I'm it not realizing how much his story and potential was wrapped around the code and how much it played a huge part in how he displayed his powers