Guthrie Govan on switching to a retro-style Floyd Rose on his latest Charvel prototype
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In part two of a three-part video interview with Guitarist magazine, guitar virtuoso Guthrie Govan talks us through the 'new' retro-style locking Floyd Rose vibrato on his latest Charvel prototype electric.
Guthrie's amplifier throughout is a brand new Victory V100 Duke, which he is currently using on tour with Steven Wilson. Stay tuned for Guthrie's full demo of the Victory V100.
Issue 374 of Guitarist magazine features a huge Guthrie Govan cover feature, in which the guitar star discusses his future plans with Charvel, technique and new musical horizons. Check it out in print and digital forms from 18 October 2013.
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Guthrie inspires me to improve my english speaking abilities every time I hear him speak.
***** He went to attend Oxford for English because it seemed like an easy option so that he could pursue music more haha
booger eater
LOL that`s so true
Saxondale!
Same here. I love his accent too
What Guthrie calls nonsense is actually a perfect tapped arpeggio.
It's actually not perfectly tapped, play the video at slow speed and you'll hear.
@@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504 Well, I don't listen to music at slow speed unless I want to learn something that I can't seem to catch by ear. Honestly, playing like a robot is something I never liked too much.
Plus, you can slow down basically any shredder and probably it will be equally loose. And I couldn't care less, anyway.
@@kamealex
No need to be so hurt, I simply pointed out your misleading comment.
I could hear it wasn't perfect without slowing it down, I judge my shredders by their accuracy.
@@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504 Not hurt at all. Internet makes everything sound aggresive and shitty. My apologies. I wasn't saying it's 100% perfect, impossible to improve playing. But it's absolutely ridiculous that he pulls of that brutal kind of thing that is years light away from my skills just for a quick example of doing basically nothing important. That's all.
@@kamealex
No worries, apology accepted but not something I expected, so credit to you I understand what you say about the internet.
I have been teaching guitar professionally for more than twenty years so I understand technical issues that may present themselves, lots of them can be overcome with the right direction and advice so please don't be put off your learning.
If I can help in any way with a particular technique, phrase, or song that's causing you problems then please let me know.
There's a buckethead lesson that might be useful to you if you want to develop tapping using more than one finger of your tapping hand, he starts off with one, eventually building up to 4. It was very helpful and impressive for me and that's probably what made me critique guthrie, having already heard this style played some years back.
What's the most hypnotising? Hearing Guthrie playing guitar or hearing him speaking about guitar?
true! :D
"I've always had a kind of allergy to the full-on double-locking trem experience" - I heart Guthrie:)
Never liked those either, just a big chunk of metal staying in the way of my picking hand, makes playing so painful
Why not try a Floyd Rose pro which is the lo profile version? I'm just curious because I just bought a Floyd Rose and would like to switch to the low profile Floyd but do they have a bad rep for some reason?
Angel Torres I tried the low profile FR before and still don't feel comfortable. It's just not for me I guess.
That's why he'll never sound like Eddie, and has poor tremolo technique.
@@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504 you don’t even know what you’re talking about he made more sense with the bar same with alexi laiho and obviously guthrie
1:40 omg, guthrie is so funny!
He makes thouse sounds, playing that little happy melody, proving a good point. All while making a straight serious face.
1:40 - 1:45 I laugh fu***ng loud! :D
same bro hahahha
1:27 "before they improved it" that's exactly what I feel about pretty much everything
What do you mean
@@cdsmetalhead99
He’s implying the double locking, floating design by Floyd Rose is not better or ‘improved’, simply different and not to his liking.
@@coffinfeeder7732 It is better though, this one will not stay in tune as well.
Double-locking is not better if you want to be able to do behind-the-nut-bends or switch to drop D mid-gig on the same guitar. Or if you find the fine-tuners on the bridge and/or the locking nut get in the way of where your hands want to be.
@@robthorpe5388 you will never be able to switch to drop D on a fully floating bridge. If the bridge is recessed then it will sink back and everything will go way out of tune. That has nothing to do with the locking nut. Eddie Van Halen had a locking nut with a non-recessed Floyd and he invented the D-Tuna device specifically for that purpose.
"i play irresponsibly"... hahhaa
I love the old way the bar connects to the bridge.
I love how Richie Sambora had his floyd rose tremolo arms still in place like the fender 6 screw bridge arm screwed in tightly type feel, instead of the tremolo arm rotating freely, making it a pain in the ass.
Give Guthrie a trem and he turns into Jeff Beck.
What a bright and articulate guy. Pretty good at guitar too! 😉
I've always wanted a vintage Floyd, ever since I saw Vinnie Moore playing one. I, too, hate the fine tuners and locking nut.
I have found that a combination of locking tuners and a locking bridge make for a very stable system. It is not as solidly anchored as the typical double-locking system but it's close enough for most players. The fact that it eliminates the inconveniences of the traditional double-locking system while having 'close enough' tuning stability makes a locking bridge and tuners, without the locking nut, the best solution for me.
All the above assumes that the nut is setup properly. If the nut is sticking and grabbing strings then tuning will never be stable. Just bending the strings will throw a guitar out of tune if the nut is not right.
I agree - I still owe a guitar with Floyd Rose, but I don't play it nearly as much as my other guitars that has Wilkinson, Hipshot Contour or Fender 2-post trems. A non locking trem with locking tuners is really good enough for me. Setting up a Floyd Rose is way too much hassle for what I play.
locking tuners aint locking anything the way a locking nut does, any quality tuner should work just as well, they dont lock the string length, they just clamp the string and make restringing a little faster, they do not improve tuning stability unless you do not know how to use non locking tuners
locking tuners do not improve tuning stability,they aint locking anything but the string to the peg, quality non locking tuners yield the same result, the locking saddle is where most tuning stability is from as Guthrie demonstrated and explained@@XiyuYang
Nothing this guy cannot play. Genius!!:-)
The original Floyd is only $129 in 2020, less than it was in 1980 per/inflation. With a set of good locking tuners and a proper lubed nut, you're gold.
Who doesn't like some nut lubing
Do you know where i can buy a tremolo like this?
the original floyd is not in fact only $129, unless you mean the Floyd Rose Special which is significantly an inferior product that does not last long in terms of durability
locking tuners do not matter, they dont lock string length, good non locking tuners strung properly are probably more stable
The old Kramer Striker guitars from the '80's had these Floyd's on. Sometimes you can snag one off Craig's for dirt cheap.
Yes, though these aren't exactly the first Floyds. These were the non-fiine tuners made in Germany by Schaller. The originals were US made. They are quite different from these. I have 1 left...
he is on another level. metal is probably the only style i haven't heard him play and it would be interesting, i doubt that it's one of his strong points
Ozznize I have! And like everything he plays it was amazing
He hasn't got a hard enough attack, or the right guitar sound, for metal.
He just described everything I have grown to dislike about trems/whammy bars. And it appears to be gone on his guitar! I will never trust one again though. For me it's fixed bridge all the way. Also I don't think it's possible for him to have a bad sound with anything! Wonderful stuff!
Vegatrem, amazing
@@DestinMcWhorter he's using a Floyd Rose Non-fine tremolo system. There's no locking nut as he illustrated here. They're not that expensive.
i put a graphtech nut, string trees and saddles on my cheap squier bullet strat and it stays in tune great!
You too could own one of these fantastic Charvel's for a cool 4 grand.
Kekullain Uladh 2k for one of these used, or a warmoth clone?
Only 4 grand. Wow, what a bargain.
Wouldn't pay that for it, I've played £100 guitars with a better tone.
Uh...no... You haven't
Damn! those bendings are extreme and accurate, I wonder what string gauge he's using
0.10s
Would love to see him and jeff beck jam.
So I copied Guthrie and built a frankenstrat with an original, non fine tuner Floyd rose locking bridge, and no locking nut. I put locking tuners on the headstock as well. It never goes out of tune! It's unbelievably stable. Better than my full on Floyd rose setups. What a fantastic set up. Back when they created the original Floyd Rose, I don't even think locking tuners were a thing, but they go great with the Floyd rose. The bride is amazing looking without the ugly fine tuners on it as well.
I'm thinking of putting a non fine tuner in a 5150 im building. Think it's worth it?
@@ernestoortiz8672 its pretty good but I'm wishing I got the vintage schaller instead. It's the only other 72mm spaced trem and it appears to be better than the Floyd in some respects, like intonation and being able to raise the saddles. I built 2 guitars, both have non fine tuner Floyds in them. They're good, but I wished I'd done one of each. Most people online prefer the schaller over the floyd. My guitars stay in tune though, so there's that. If you have a flat neck or buy some shims the Floyd will be fine. Any sort of radius neck, go with the schaller Vintage Tremolo 72mm 2 post.
Pay attention yourself.
He didn't say a word about the Wilkinson, nor any other non locking floating tremolo. He only explained his distaste for double locking trems.
The bridge on this guitar, along with the coil splitter and the fact that it's Guthrie's guitar, makes me very interested in buying one of these... it looks great too, but, over 4K is... if only I won the lottery.
Jorn Vallis try Charvel DK24. A quarter the price and a good guitar. You should be able to have the splitter modded.
I did pay attention and its still there. He didn't have to say Wilkinson in particular, he eluded to the design characteristcs that are flawed in traditional trems. The wilkinson design, although slightly different in form is identical in mechanical function as any other two point trem, e.g. 2 pivot point knife edge systems balanced by rear springs. Those systems have a hard negative break angle from saddles to trem block and the Floyd Rose does not. Same advice, be observant.
Dang.
That's the best lead rock guitar on the market, there.
Now I want a vintage Rose!
I Would Pay Money' Just To Sit and Have Beer With Mr Govan and Talk About Anything Relevant!🌎🌍🌏
Do all that "nonsense"
Fender LSR Roller nut is a great solution for those tuning anomalies
That's the solution Jeff Beck opted for too I think.
A roller nut is great but Guthrie is happier tone-wise with a bone nut -- lubrication and a low break-angle keep solid tuning at the nut. But that alone can't help with tuning issues caused AT THE BRIDGE.
Tuning issues happen due to intermittent stick/slip friction AT BOTH ENDS of a guitar. You either need "zero" friction at the nut AND bridge (roller nut, roller saddles . . . which don't always work or sound great) or "infinite" friction (locking bridge/nut, which DO work well but have other drawbacks) or some combination of the two choices at both ends before the string gets to the "anchor" points.
(Responding to old post, I know)
He used to transcribe stuff like John Petrucci, Metallica, Zakk Wylde at Guitar Techniques magazine in early 90's
I actually really like a clunky Floyd. It makes the guitar feel more robust imo. I also prefer non-recessed.
Oh wow it has the original arm as well. I have one some where. In the '80's I've built one myself but that one I've sold with the guitar which it was one. A perfectly in tune staying HSS strat which I foolishly sold because I thought a 'real' superstrat would be better.
His trem is floating he can't use a D-Tuna
Antonio Guitarplayer That's why he uses the Tremol-No to temporarily put the bridge in one way tremolo mode, allowing him to drop D his guitar
I have two ESP guitars that have the Wilkinson trem and they're honestly really Awesome.
Floyd Rose currently has them on sale if you want one! 6 String only though... :P but cool nonetheless. Look up the Floyd Rose web site, click on Tremolos, scroll down halfway, look to your left, and there it is!
I fucking died at 1:39
I called the company and they have no plans to make this style of Floyd Rose for lefties as of now. Would totally buy one as I also don't like the fine tuners or the lock nut style.
I have the same problem, but I refuse to use a traditional 'screw in' bar because I need to be able to move it out of the way for sweep picking and such, or to use the whammy bar from behind, etc, without having to dick with it anymore than I must between notes. I'd say the beat solution would just be to have them machine their trem-arm sockets more precisely as so to make threaded collar style arms more solid.
I love the original, original non fine tuner Floyd. I used a Bill Edwards locking nut, which has little flip tabs, vice the allen bolts, to lock strings down. I also prefer the original trem arm, vice the crew in collar...
I wonder if using a Wilkinson bridge would work for Guthrie in the same way he uses those retro Floyd Rose bridges? You often see Wilkinson's paired with locking tuners. Also, swap out that nut for a roller nut, and you'll have one killer guitar!
Wilkinsons don't lock.
@@michaelwoods9005 Wilkinson WVS1302P Chrome Full Assembly with Locking Saddles!!!
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i believe the saddles are locking on that early design floyd rose, thats where most of the tuning stability is from, locking tuners do not lock that way, quality non lockers just as good or better when strung properly, especially if headstock is not angled back
Beautiful guitar by the way
He could also use a Wilkinson bridge if he wants tuning stability and no extra hardware blocking his picking hand.
Wilkinson doesn't lock
Absolutely amazin Guthrie !!!!
It seems better than the full locking system but how well does it cope against different radiused boards?
This system works very well on every radius fretboard.
you should never doubt Guthrie
so... how is the double locking tremolo better in any way? Why don't they all use this one?
I believe also that the fret board is actually baked maple. Guthrie has also stressed that the guitar is NOT a signature model, just a prototype. :)
my strat plus deluxe has a similar floyd rose as standard
Check out his Ditto Looper demo, and watch it til the end. You'd get a kick out of it. xD
It's ideal for the Jeff Beck thing.
OK so did Guthrie ever explain what those two things are by the volume and tone knobs? I don't think the final version of his guitar has those but he made them out to be a big secret in the other interviews and he never explained them!
I bet it was probably a blower switch like on his old Suhr but I'm not sure about the other. Might put the pickups in parallel or something.
+Reginald Von Goldbergstein
Blower switch...? The one that just puts it in bridge pickup with full volume? I thought that was a really good idea.
+Kieron Edwards What are you talking about? The switch on Guthrie's Suhr guitar bypassed the volume and tone control and used the bridge humbucker...this is very useful because you can play a jazzy part with the tone pot rolled pretty high off and same with the volume, then bam hit that switch and you're in rock mode, hit it again an you're back at clean jazz. A pickup selector switch will not do this.
The Charvel website lists 'brass position markers set into the body' in the specs, but the photos of the guitar on the website don't show them.
Oh, that little Jeff Beck nod.
When he bends , my body follows but not my hands .
Does anyone know where i can find this retro-style floyed rose?
The "new" ones also get in the way of my right hand.
As a result, i always used normal tremolos and had tunning issues.
I really want to get one of these retro-style ones.
Floyd Rose sell a version of it on their website called the "Non Fine Tuner".
dope, i want one
How is 0:16 possible without breaking the string ? Is that due to his setup or does he have some magic strings ? :D
+ProgMax1992 If you have decent strings they will not break, I use elixir strings and that doesn't happen. Guthrie uses rotosound strings as far as I remember.
ItalyNerf Now that I think closer about this topic I come to the conclusion that if it doesn't work that's most likely due to like you said bad strings or sharp parts on a "cheap guitar". If you can pull the string up orthogonally from your guitar like crazy, why shouldn't you be able to bend it as far (provided you have gorillafingers :P) without it breaking.
How come there are no more guitars besides the guthrie govan signature that comes with this non fine tuner tremolo? I would love to buy a guitar stock with this bridge.
I love Guthries playing and I really respect him, but for me its original Floyd Rose or hardtail. I don't care for any other kind of vibrato
+Sean Carroll The version without the fine tuners is the true original. The fine tuners came about a few years later when EVH asked for it.
Guthrie is the best!
Can someone explain to me why Guthrie thinks this tremolo enables Drop D? If it's a floating tremolo, I can't see why you wouldn't have exactly the same problem as standard Floyd Rose's - with the other strings being detuned when the E string is dropped? (Making the retuning process much longer, and also requiring the spring tension to be adjusted to relevel the bridge... maybe even redo the intonation)
He didn't show/explain it in this video but he has a tremel-no fitted on his signature guitars. It's a little device that you attach to the springs of the tremolo which can lock the springs in place so you can basically turn the guitar into a hardtail whenever you want. So he'd quickly engage that before dropping the tuning
The locking nut would prevent him from even trying without loosening the nut first. Arguably as well, the tension difference from Drop D is nowhere near bad enough to cause drastic anomalies. It's very doable to just go to Drop D and have a mess-around on a floating Strat bridge.
He also, as rightly pointed out, has a Tremol-No in there so he just tightens that first.
I don't know what's the problem. The frets above my twelfth fret and those below have two different tunings. Can anybody help me?
Your intonation is probably off. (proper intonation adjustment is what makes it possible for the guitar to be in tune with itself above and below the 12th fret) Goto your local guitar shop and ask a qualified guitar tech if they can adjust it for you. You may have to pay for a basic setup, but it's worth it if you dont already know how to do it. (even better if they can actually SHOW you how its done.)
There are also videos on UA-cam that show how to do this, but depending on your guitar bridge, and your experience level, you may be better off having somebody more qualified show you how its done. (especially if you have a Floyd Rose tremelo)
love my Jackson PC 1, that was weirdest thing I saw. to is his own.
Nice to hear a name player like Govan refer to "the clunk" associated with subtle use of the bar with the threaded collar attachment...I can't stand it either, and am the process of putting old-school bars on my Floyds.
1:44 he’s been hiding the pick in his finger this whole time??? His pinky gotta be strong as hell
Fuck, that bend at 1:40
Wouldn't work on a vintage-style Floyd. The string-lock screw isn't long enough for starters, and the design's function is predicated on the upper ledge where the fine-tuners are being there.
He plays a guest solo on one of Periphery's tracks.. I suppose it's close enough?
jeff beck licks over there ;)
Guthrie Govan is the man!
the nut will hurt him when he gets excited! hahahaha
best guitarist.
"I can't do Drop D (on a traditional Floyd Rose)". You don't say? Guthrie, check out Eddie Van Halen's D-Tuna. Your life will change.
It's not the best and you can only dive with one.
Takes a lot of balls or total stupidity to suggest something like that to a player that probably knows about all "standard" guitar equipment out there.
well jason becker used this system too so why not.
Somebody tell this awesome man to try the EVH dtuna
are you sure it'd work with this particular bridge? This is the older incarnation of floyd rose without the fine tuners.
So is there a reason people do not like the Floyd Rose Pro?I know Guthrie wants to be able to bend at the head stock but what do other people think? I'm interested in trying one.
The answer is in the video, you just have to pay attention.
I am a little unclear exactly what the modification consists of in terms of parts and procedure - I have a Charvel DK 24 HSH with the floating trem - and would be very interested to try this out - but am not familiar with the floyd rose parts. Would the parts be something one would need to find used somewhere - because they don't make them anymore?
I have the same question. What is this bridge called and where do I find it?
It's a Floyd Rose Non-Fine-Tuner. Floyd Rose sells them on their website.
Fair warning, the routing is *weird*. It's larger than most non-locking trems, but shorter than the fine-tuner Floyds - so you will need to do woodworking or live with a trem that doesn't quite work as intended. It's better to either get a luthier to do the routing and installation, or simply trade your guitar in for a Guthrie signature.
Charvel uses their own version which is *only* on the Guthrie Govan models, but the differences are minimal.
Waiting for him to stand up and shout, “I shall dispatch thee summarily!l
Its because of Bob Sperzel's staggered (in height) locking tuner invention that the original non-fine-tuner Floyd Rose tremolo makes much more sense than the double locking Floyd with the annoying fine tuners and the evenly annoying locking nut.
nonsense locking tuners do not lock string length and staggered are for non angled headstocks. same results can be had with any quality non locking tuner if you know how to string properly
@@tankdarla637 Yeah, lets do away with the easy.
'All that nonsense' Reminds me of a Shawn Lane video.
:)
How much would it cost to get that retro floyd installed in my axe?
Wood cutting axe would be weird with floyd.
just tried the bending at 0:12 ...no chance with my shecter... i'm scared
can go from b to d# but never going to happen to hit that e with that guitar
does anyone know if Guthrie uses some sort of special strings for those crazy bends? i can't normally bend much past 3 frets and he seems to be doing 5-6
As far as I know he uses Daddario .10 .44 strings, which aren't super heavy but not super light either. He just has an insane bending technique. There's a video where he plays the theme from flight of the bumblebee just by bending and controlling every single semitone he bends, I guess once you practice bending enough to be able to do that you start feeling capable of going further with how much you're bending the string. Still, if you feel like your string gauge gets in the way of your bends, there's no shame in moving to a lighter one, Allan Holdsworth sometimes played on .08s and he's still regarded as the best fusion guitarist ever alongside Guthrie.
he originally had the gotoh 510 trem on it, but that caused him issues
That original Floyd looked pretty new. I wonder vere (german accent) he got it?
if i bend like that my string comes back broken.
lol
Where did he get a 24 fret rosweood board Charvel neck? Is this possibly a signature model?
I agree with everything he said. So I avoid guitars with Floyd Rose trems.
not too many , if any brand make a locking bridge besides floyd rose, that was a locking bridge, not a typical 2 point, so you avoid most good tremelo equipped guitars
I wish the floyd rose copiers out there build back the classic design
2:40 truer words have never been spoken lol Dive bombs and flutters are cool but the point of a floating bridge is surely for light vibrato. Vibrato on chords is the best part of a floating trem, by far.
1:36. "Now it has the locking just on this end." Points to the top and bottom of the Floyd Rose. Translation please.
He means it only locks at the bridge and not at the nut as well.
@@mrgaudy1954 What does that mean? A regular Floyd Rose locks at the nut and has a floating bridge. I've never heard of a locking bridge. That almost sounds like a fixed bridge.
@@jbjohnson4728 So a Floyd Rose locks at the nut and the bridge; this refers to the strings and not the bridge itself, which is floating.
that's still a 'Guthrie style' solo he plays, Guthrie fits in every genre.Misha actually wrote the song with that solo in mind. His tone is a little too bright for metal though.
But how are you gonna do drop D if floyds go out of tune when one string is off tune?
These are fitted with a tremel-no
Do they make one with six screws?
the wilkinson killed my old fender thats for sure. Sounds dead.
Guthrie drops a d faster than my report card in high school
Is Guthrie still using the tremol-no?
But it still goes out of tune with bending so you are forced to do a dive to go back in tune. Look at 0:19
Where can I get a retro Floyd Rose trem from? They look and sound ideal.
Seven years late, but just in case someone else needs a little direction.
floydrose.com/products/frtnft?variant=29837633234