I know the meme of not reading in yugioh but it makes you realize how crazy our memory is for a game that we memorize so many cards to the point of not having to read them.
For pure trolling, show them the Mirrodin block artifact lands. Without contaxt, they're functionally just like the basic lands that happen to also be artifacts and lose the ability to interact with things that specify basic lands... no other abilities, still obey normal play rules for lands, they're just artifacts instead of being Basic... just... artifacts... what's the worst that could happen?
Anyone who has played HS or Magic ever and sees "take an extra turn" - unless it takes like 10 steps that shit is gonna be broken. 7 mana (or more importantly the foretell) is hella broken simply because if you ever establish a board you just dome your opponent instantly.
I always chuckle when the Yu-Gi-Oh players ask about set symbols, it's something that makes perfect sense coming from a game where all the little emblems actually have a game purpose though.
@@brunop.8745 As I understand it how YGO players count turns it would actually mean turn 7 (each players go is counted as a turn in YGO - if I understand correctly). Which makes "YGO games usually end on turn 3" even more insane to me.
@@JinFreeks ye ye, it's usually I play You play and try to push for game playing through my board If I'm still alive hopefully I get you on the crackback (Tho every once in a while is more like: I/we play We play, I try to stop you in real time you try to push for game And then the same turn but switched around) Although I was saying it bc paying in Yugioh usually means paying with cards and not every card gets you something for being in the grave, so going -3 to accomplish nothing that's game defining happens in Yugioh quite a bit (usually it's your opponent having some interactionwith your board) and it usually means that you lost, either right now or that turn 3 is going to be a tossup on you being able to push for game and on turn 4 you're done most likely done and going -4 is so bad you usually concede. While in other games paying is not that detrimental it goes in the same brain area, so a Yugioh player trying to play another game has difficulty assessing a 4+ cost card in any other game because they have a goblin inside telling them "hold on there pardner, that shit's too expensive for what it does, we're gonna lose if you put this card on your deck"
Currently jamming Obliterator + Fight spells in Standard. It is not good. But between flawless victories and opponents re-reading the card after shooting it, so worth it.
I like playing an artifact deck, mightstone and weakstone is SUCH a blessing i HATE the obliterator since packing your deck full of removal is so boring.
@@TheOneJameYT Amusingly, Cryptic Coat has no Equip ability, it can only go back to hand and then cloak a new card off the top. Or, it can be moved onto something through another card's effect, but that's unusual.
It's funny you mention toughness and planeswalkers. If you've played long enough, you probably remember that funny time when you or an opponent tried to make a planeswalker indestructible only to be told "nah it dies with no loyalty counters anyways" when it gets attacked.
As for Pokémon TCG creators, AzulGG is an accredited player and has collaborated with other channels before. LittleDarkFury is also one of my favorites in the space. Either would be a great guest to have here!
Of course questing beast couldn't get banned, it dies to doom blade. One card I would show people in these would be timesifter, just to mess with them. That or tornado from alliances.
I think Joshua Schmidt would be great at this specific game, Broken or Banned. Just showing him cards to see if they're good or bad would be too easy for him.
Green can use a beast within type at least. But yeah its good but it was never like nearly as insane as it looked when it was first shown in new phyrexia.
@@laytonjr6601I mean that's the big weakness of mono-color decks right? You gain consistency but sacrifice ability to deal with certain kinds of threats.
The way I like to try and explain the difference between Yugioh and MTG is things like discarding, In Yugioh you have to have the exact amount of cards to discard or the spell/trap cant be activated, but in MTG Discard 2 is not a restriction on casting.
Funniest interaction with Obliterator is definitely that if your opponent finds a way for it to fight one of your own creatires or deal damage to itself (like with Asmor) then you sac the permanents
25:38 and of course proliferate exists and getting to 3 counters is laughably easy but also if you want to just repeat the 1st or second effect removing counters well that's fairly easy too
Phyrexian Obliterator seems to strike me as MTG's answer to Power Tool Dragon, which is already obscene considering PTD's ability to survive 4 turns with a backrow.
I like to explain fortell as being like YGO trap cards where you need to pay to set them, but in exchange you get a discount for flipping them face up.
giving him questing beast is nasty because it came out in such a ridiculous set/era for powerful cards, letting it kinda fly under the radar. good job on him getting them all right, very impressive!
Questing Beast was like the Deadbridge Goliath of Eldraine. Would have been good in any previous Standard format that wasn't the one it existed in lmao
He's four for four, I believe he'll get five. I know he's not played magic before, there was that brief misunderstanding of "Oh, so when you've exiled Alrund's (as part of its resolution) you can re-cast it?"
@@Zetact_ Because Magic cards are written to say exactly what they do in the clearest possible way. It's not like games like Yugioh, where reading any given card makes you feel like you're having a stroke.
@@artemiskearney8019 I was just thinking about an ability where once you've blocked you can pay this ability's cost to put a creature into play blocking that creature as well and the original creature gains a 'prevent all damage this creature would do and return this card to hand at the end of combat' type deal. I really like the idea of using a beefy creature in hand to absorb combat damage (since you get to assign damage distribution) while blocking. I know control probably doesn't need any help but I feel like aggro could use some cooling too.
Next time someone says at least it doesn't have a paragraph on the card you should show them the full rules text secret lair land. Just to show them how much we really like condensing text into keywords in magic.
5 million rulings outside of the card, if only he knew about Humility, a very simple card, that requires a doctorate in MTG rulings to understand what even happens 50% of the time. it makes pole position extremely easy to understand (at least all you or a judge needs to know to resolve pole position properly is the loops part of the ruling, whereas humility needs you to know effect priorities)
As soon as you said wait for the last card, I knew it was going to be Questing Beast. Haha. But you didn't explain to your guest that foretell saves your spells from hand disruption.
Honestly by the way he was talking it seemed he didnt understand a lot, but he somehow stumbled onto the right answer every single time. Pretty impressive.
I'd say I'm surprised that for Alrund's epiphany, he didn't consider the angle that Foretell gives some protection from an opponent's discard effects, but I guess that kind of thing has largely gone out of vogue in Yugioh.
Now im imagining a reverse engineering stream/broken telephone. You get a Yugioh/Pokemon/Hearthstone/whatever person to "translate" a card/its effects to that game (e.g. YGO case "damage cant be prevented = can't be wabokud", "deathtouch = has Exploder without burn/Neo Bubbleman/Ally of Justice style effect", etc) and then a third person that knows MTG and that other game tries to guess the "translated" cards.
Might also be interesting in the future to show someone the closest functional "normal" version of a phyrexian mana card followed by the phyrexian version. Like peek followed by "gitaxian probe", reclaim followed by "noxious revival" or "minor misstep" followed by "mental misstep". First they get to figure out that (for most of them) the effect is bad even when it's cheap, then a 0 cost version that does the MTG equivalent of 800lp damage to you makes it worth a slot. Maybe it's to easy though, 0 mana is almost always good.
Ok, been away from MTG for ages but I'm definitely adding Farewell to my Shrine deck. That thing generates mana so easy and this would just let me make so many turn-around plays if I'm in a bad spot
He did very well. You to show some Yugioh people some REALLY broken cards, like Time Walk, Ancestral Recall and Oko. Also, Shahrazad, just because it's funny.
good old Obliterator. in a creature vacuum this could be one of the strongest creatures ever made. (in its mana range) but since there are probably 1000 answers to this card (100 different kill spells, 100 bounces, counters, pacifism, steals,... )... well its just a creature with 0 protection..
@@laytonjr6601 I figured it would work like Yu-Gi-Oh where if the effect is relevant you would have to do it anyway. I guess that's a magic rule explained to Echo before this was filmed.
PSCT is just the programming language of YGO. Just look for key punctuation, sequential and other phrases such as "do x and if you do, perform Y" and have decent reading comprehension and you are good to go. @@kateslate3228
I started laughing when he said you wouldn't drop Questing Beast on turn 1 like that is an option 99% of the time. As someone that plays both games it always messes with me how difficult the switch between them is for someone who only plays one.
Man i’m feeling dumb. I played (casually) magic for quite a while. From the original kamigawa all the way until my final set with dinosaurs and pirates and i had no idea there was even a ban list and i went 2/5 on this 😅
I feel like you have to constantly remind yugioh players that when creatures attacks, they don’t attack other creatures. They forget the blocking part of the battle phase because that’s not in Yugioh. Bro got all the way to questing beast and I can tell he was thinking that deathtouch means you can ram it into larger creatures at will, even saying things like “you want them to establish their board before playing it” no my friend, you run this out there fast as possible and make them deal with it.
I love your videos cause a lot of people that don't play yugioh cannot fathom how completely different yugioh is compared to every other TCG on the market.
Obliterator has been power crept pretty bad with Sheoldred. It was already an upgrade from Phyrexian Negator, which was a bonkers card in its time. If Obliterator existed during Black Summer '96, there's a very real chance it would have been banned lol.
Just saying for Questing Beast its cost is negligible due to the fact it’s in green. green in the Ramp colour you can get Questing Beast out turn 3 pretty easily in this colour so you’re opponent working with like 2 mana is forced to deal with this thing and waste resources on this card that can quickly become a problem since you turn 2 plays can’t do anything it besides kill spells or damage spells.
I love how this guy is like "this is whatever in yugioh, you discard two to draw two, its card neutral" Like there is a reason why Graceful Charity is still banned to this day, you know how many decks would LOVE this effect in Yugioh?
I haven't played...really since Eldrain, I can't keep up because I'm poor, and dont tell me that Arena is a good substitute, its not. I knew that Mirror Breaker existed, but didn't know that it got banned, and i was pretty sure that unless Questing Beast had some degenerate thing going on in Pioneer, it wasn't going to be, because Modern would eat that thing for breakfast. I have an...intense....dislike of Obliterator...when it first came out during Mirran Besieged/New Phyrexia, i was playing a W/G deck that had VERY little interaction with it, because White didn't have the best answers back then, and board wipes in my deck were a no no.
Idea: find a Star Wars Unlimited content creator (I don't know any, don't follow the game but surely they exist) for the archetype game and include Kozmo in them as the once-good. Maybe also BES.
One of my friends plays Phyrexian Obliterator in pioneer in my LGS and I sideboard in Justice Strike against that card, it's super hilarious. Moral of this story, Obliterator is not banned AND not broken.
Why didn't you just explain Foretell as "instead of paying 7 right now, you pay 2 to set it in a spell/trap zone that your opponent can't interact with. And from there, you can pay 6 for it on a different turn"
@@TheOneJameYT one of my favorite things about Magic vs Yugioh is that besides a resource system, how combat works, and having a Permanent limit, the games are surprisingly similar and translate across and you can easily use terms to bridge the gap instantly. One of my favorite examples being the time I witnessed someone trying to teach a Yugioh player Magic. The Yugioh player was having a hard time understanding combat and Trample. I said one thing and unlocked everything for him: "Trample is just Piercing Battle Damage from Yugioh and without Trample no damage is dealt to the player if they block."
TBH the concept of bricking due not seeing enough mana or far too many is a turn off. That and I prefer anime over western fantasy art. Two different styles for each camp of folk. Yugioh has the more skillful player generally win as varience is at a all time minimum. Also makes it easy to recreate situations in the lab/testing, reminds of fighting games in that way
boi bringing up only 1 legendary in the deck, i remember whe that was the actual rule and then i came back with commander, singelton by design, and then i saw in amonket that one exile spell that if it is a god exiles all coppies in hand as well and i just went "thats strange all gods a legendary so how you you possibly have one in hand with the same name outside of weird cloning shenanigans". as i was so out of touch at that point did this just lead to a weird conversation as neither side got the others standpoint but man we should bring back 1 legend per deck, maybe that stopps wizards from making every non uncommon creature a legendary ps.: i just had an alrunds epiphany, flying is literally toon in yugioh. toons also attack directly unless the opponent has toons
Dude this video was so fun to record, thank you for having me ❤️
You were awesome! Would love to have you back again
Congrats echo. Good reasoning. 🤘
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congrats on 5/5! Well done :D
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Smart. Seriously, good work. Very quickly wrapped your head around the comparative speed of the game and the combat mechanics.
I loved how at 4:30 you asked deck building questions! Well played, Echo!
the lesson to take from this is that if Yugioh players could learn to read they would be unstoppable
I know the meme of not reading in yugioh but it makes you realize how crazy our memory is for a game that we memorize so many cards to the point of not having to read them.
I would always show Platinum Angel as an opener just to mess with them
For bonus points, put it next to Abyssal Persecutor
@@matthewpopow6647 followed by Door to Nothingness
I love this idea lol
>me, having flashbacks to tooth and nail decks
For pure trolling, show them the Mirrodin block artifact lands. Without contaxt, they're functionally just like the basic lands that happen to also be artifacts and lose the ability to interact with things that specify basic lands... no other abilities, still obey normal play rules for lands, they're just artifacts instead of being Basic... just... artifacts... what's the worst that could happen?
24:25 Four out of four so far. And you know why I know he’s never played MtG? Because the reasoning for Alrund’s Epiphany was so very, VERY off.
Yu-Gi-Oh has way more exile loop B.S. - which I have to imagine is what he was thinking.
When he read the card and then started saying "So this card makes...creatures?" I was thinking "That is NOT the important part here" lol
Anyone who has played HS or Magic ever and sees "take an extra turn" - unless it takes like 10 steps that shit is gonna be broken. 7 mana (or more importantly the foretell) is hella broken simply because if you ever establish a board you just dome your opponent instantly.
@@BottleorumModern has 3 mana extra turn spells- Alrund is unplayable outside of standard
His Phyrexian Obliterator analysis was peak magic player mindset though. “Dies to removal. No ban needed”
I always chuckle when the Yu-Gi-Oh players ask about set symbols, it's something that makes perfect sense coming from a game where all the little emblems actually have a game purpose though.
I mean, city in a bottle/apocalypse chime technicaly sets precedent for set symbols mattering.
@@egoalter1276 oh yeah, there's definitely a few cards that care about it, but only a few.
Asking a Yugioh player to pay anything above 3 mana is like asking mr crabs to pay at all
It implies there is such a thing as a turn 4, a concept completely alien to YGO players
@@brunop.8745 As I understand it how YGO players count turns it would actually mean turn 7 (each players go is counted as a turn in YGO - if I understand correctly). Which makes "YGO games usually end on turn 3" even more insane to me.
@@JinFreeks ye ye, it's usually
I play
You play and try to push for game playing through my board
If I'm still alive hopefully I get you on the crackback
(Tho every once in a while is more like:
I/we play
We play, I try to stop you in real time you try to push for game
And then the same turn but switched around)
Although I was saying it bc paying in Yugioh usually means paying with cards and not every card gets you something for being in the grave, so going -3 to accomplish nothing that's game defining happens in Yugioh quite a bit (usually it's your opponent having some interactionwith your board) and it usually means that you lost, either right now or that turn 3 is going to be a tossup on you being able to push for game and on turn 4 you're done most likely done and going -4 is so bad you usually concede. While in other games paying is not that detrimental it goes in the same brain area, so a Yugioh player trying to play another game has difficulty assessing a 4+ cost card in any other game because they have a goblin inside telling them "hold on there pardner, that shit's too expensive for what it does, we're gonna lose if you put this card on your deck"
@@brunop.8745 But not to mystic mine players ;)
As soon as you said the last card was gonna be a lot of words, and I remembered you were going in WUBRG order, I knew it would be Questing Beast
Good guess 🤣
it was either questing beast or the original wording of Sylvan Library. I was 50/50
@@pietrociompi5883 Let's be happy that there wasn't any colorless cards, because, some of those olden day cards from like ice cauldron... yeah..
@@pietrociompi5883 Chains of Mephistopholes
@@livedandletdie _Amulet of Quoz wants to know your location_
Currently jamming Obliterator + Fight spells in Standard. It is not good. But between flawless victories and opponents re-reading the card after shooting it, so worth it.
I actually run it in my standard rats deck as a way to beat red/green decks. No brotherhood's end board wipes from them without repercussions!
I like playing an artifact deck, mightstone and weakstone is SUCH a blessing i HATE the obliterator since packing your deck full of removal is so boring.
It’s still in standard?
This is why I'm an esper mage. I can choose to destroy a creature, bounce it, exile it or just wrath it because esper mages love to remove creatures.
@@triopsate3 with my rat deck i give you many good options to destroy so its all even lol
I once got a Obliterator with my Cryptic Coat, and a 7/7 Amalia blocked it.
Was a great moment.
Oh wow 🤣
OUCH lol
Cryptic coat makes it unblockable tho 🤔
@@youbluethatone1017 they probably moved the coat to another creature before they attacked with the 2/2 cloaked Obliterator (or added cloak to hand)
@@TheOneJameYT Amusingly, Cryptic Coat has no Equip ability, it can only go back to hand and then cloak a new card off the top. Or, it can be moved onto something through another card's effect, but that's unusual.
Giving a YGO player Fable to evaluate is straight-up evil. But this guy killed the challenge!
a new person joins the five for five card fight club. Impressive, most impressive.
3 people in the club now!
Who are the other two?
@@ThetrueKidGoku Mia from Nitpicking Nerds and Tronisbad! Might be worth checking those videos out because they’re great!
It's funny you mention toughness and planeswalkers. If you've played long enough, you probably remember that funny time when you or an opponent tried to make a planeswalker indestructible only to be told "nah it dies with no loyalty counters anyways" when it gets attacked.
I’ve done that and was very sad lol
As for Pokémon TCG creators, AzulGG is an accredited player and has collaborated with other channels before. LittleDarkFury is also one of my favorites in the space. Either would be a great guest to have here!
Noted!
Of course questing beast couldn't get banned, it dies to doom blade.
One card I would show people in these would be timesifter, just to mess with them. That or tornado from alliances.
timesifter is hilarious
I think Joshua Schmidt would be great at this specific game, Broken or Banned. Just showing him cards to see if they're good or bad would be too easy for him.
I agree he would be!
Omg he cleared the obliterator bait. Noone guesses that right
He’s good!
Mono red and Mono green literally cannot deal with it but don't worry, it was never banned
Green can use a beast within type at least. But yeah its good but it was never like nearly as insane as it looked when it was first shown in new phyrexia.
@@laytonjr6601I mean that's the big weakness of mono-color decks right? You gain consistency but sacrifice ability to deal with certain kinds of threats.
Not all colors should be able to do everything
The way I like to try and explain the difference between Yugioh and MTG is things like discarding, In Yugioh you have to have the exact amount of cards to discard or the spell/trap cant be activated, but in MTG Discard 2 is not a restriction on casting.
Funniest interaction with Obliterator is definitely that if your opponent finds a way for it to fight one of your own creatires or deal damage to itself (like with Asmor) then you sac the permanents
25:38 and of course proliferate exists and getting to 3 counters is laughably easy but also if you want to just repeat the 1st or second effect
removing counters well that's fairly easy too
Phyrexian Obliterator seems to strike me as MTG's answer to Power Tool Dragon, which is already obscene considering PTD's ability to survive 4 turns with a backrow.
Interesting that the yugioh player was able to figure out why a broken creature wasn't banned, because it dies to removal.
I like to explain fortell as being like YGO trap cards where you need to pay to set them, but in exchange you get a discount for flipping them face up.
My guys reasoning was out of this world. His tcg awareness is insane.
giving him questing beast is nasty because it came out in such a ridiculous set/era for powerful cards, letting it kinda fly under the radar. good job on him getting them all right, very impressive!
Questing Beast was like the Deadbridge Goliath of Eldraine. Would have been good in any previous Standard format that wasn't the one it existed in lmao
He's four for four, I believe he'll get five. I know he's not played magic before, there was that brief misunderstanding of "Oh, so when you've exiled Alrund's (as part of its resolution) you can re-cast it?"
For Arlunds it was so funny seeing how every sentence had to be explained to him.
i think you mean every sentence, period. I gave up, dude sounds out to lunch.
I frankly don't get how it's MtG of all games that has people say "reading the card explains the card."
@@doctoroctococks8968 yea i agree. Guy could read "Gain 2 life" and would still ask "what does that mean?"
🤣
@@Zetact_ Because Magic cards are written to say exactly what they do in the clearest possible way. It's not like games like Yugioh, where reading any given card makes you feel like you're having a stroke.
"Can you block with cards from your hand?" *WOTC card design team's eyes widen* "Not yet..."
🤣
Nah, WotC hates blocking. And we've already gotten attack from hand twice now (dash and blitz).
@@artemiskearney8019 I was just thinking about an ability where once you've blocked you can pay this ability's cost to put a creature into play blocking that creature as well and the original creature gains a 'prevent all damage this creature would do and return this card to hand at the end of combat' type deal. I really like the idea of using a beefy creature in hand to absorb combat damage (since you get to assign damage distribution) while blocking. I know control probably doesn't need any help but I feel like aggro could use some cooling too.
Blocking ninjitsu would be pretty cool.
Flash creatures can already be used as instant speed blockers. It's just usually good Flash Creatures are utility based or very frail.
Next time someone says at least it doesn't have a paragraph on the card you should show them the full rules text secret lair land. Just to show them how much we really like condensing text into keywords in magic.
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Have this guy on again, this was the most entertaining guest so far!
Happy to hear that!
This series is the only way I learn anything Magic The Gathering related.
5 million rulings outside of the card, if only he knew about Humility, a very simple card, that requires a doctorate in MTG rulings to understand what even happens 50% of the time. it makes pole position extremely easy to understand (at least all you or a judge needs to know to resolve pole position properly is the loops part of the ruling, whereas humility needs you to know effect priorities)
I mean humility is pretty chill *until* something else in the same layer comes down. In most basic games it dpes exactly what it says
As soon as you said wait for the last card, I knew it was going to be Questing Beast. Haha. But you didn't explain to your guest that foretell saves your spells from hand disruption.
It's amazing how much card analysis changes with format.
That was so fun to watch, please bring echo back! Keep the great content coming my friend!
Will do!
Honestly by the way he was talking it seemed he didnt understand a lot, but he somehow stumbled onto the right answer every single time. Pretty impressive.
I'd say I'm surprised that for Alrund's epiphany, he didn't consider the angle that Foretell gives some protection from an opponent's discard effects, but I guess that kind of thing has largely gone out of vogue in Yugioh.
Now im imagining a reverse engineering stream/broken telephone.
You get a Yugioh/Pokemon/Hearthstone/whatever person to "translate" a card/its effects to that game (e.g. YGO case "damage cant be prevented = can't be wabokud", "deathtouch = has Exploder without burn/Neo Bubbleman/Ally of Justice style effect", etc) and then a third person that knows MTG and that other game tries to guess the "translated" cards.
That sounds hilarious lol
Gotta leave a like and comment, I love these "reacting to mtg cards" videos!
Thanks!
I can't get over the sunglasses and hat indoors.
I would have watched this when it released, but my right lung collapsed, and I'm currently watching this in the hospital.
Oh wow get better soon!!
Might also be interesting in the future to show someone the closest functional "normal" version of a phyrexian mana card followed by the phyrexian version.
Like peek followed by "gitaxian probe", reclaim followed by "noxious revival" or "minor misstep" followed by "mental misstep".
First they get to figure out that (for most of them) the effect is bad even when it's cheap, then a 0 cost version that does the MTG equivalent of 800lp damage to you makes it worth a slot.
Maybe it's to easy though, 0 mana is almost always good.
Yea I think that would be too easy but a good idea nonetheless
Maybe the ones that don't become 0 cost, like murder v dismember ?
Completely called Questing Beast being the green card when you mentioned paragraphs of text after Farewell.
It do be infamous lmao
Been enjoying these vids! It's like all I watch now!
Great to hear!
This was great, what a chill dude
Ok, been away from MTG for ages but I'm definitely adding Farewell to my Shrine deck. That thing generates mana so easy and this would just let me make so many turn-around plays if I'm in a bad spot
Yep!! So good
He did very well. You to show some Yugioh people some REALLY broken cards, like Time Walk, Ancestral Recall and Oko. Also, Shahrazad, just because it's funny.
"I am bad at reading"
You alreafy told us you play yugioh.
🤣
Very glad we have a YuGiOh player who didn't get confuzzled by a card taking 6+ turns for its full effect.
Yea I was thinking the same thing
Really impressive showing
In some formats, Phyrexian Obliterator can be played on turn 1
good old Obliterator.
in a creature vacuum this could be one of the strongest creatures ever made. (in its mana range)
but since there are probably 1000 answers to this card (100 different kill spells, 100 bounces, counters, pacifism, steals,... )...
well its just a creature with 0 protection..
Can u show specifically magic combos there is plenty that are good and bad that look bad that are good and vice versa
You see I thought Farewell exiled ALL CARDS of the stated type, from the hand, deck, or cemetery.
Oh that would be insane lol
Hand is a private zone so you can't prove I have creatures, artefacts or enchantments in it without an effect to reveal it
@@laytonjr6601judge call turbo lmao
I'd pay 6 mana to Doomsday myself and my opponent lmao 🤣
@@laytonjr6601 I figured it would work like Yu-Gi-Oh where if the effect is relevant you would have to do it anyway. I guess that's a magic rule explained to Echo before this was filmed.
This guy is hype great showing!
Echo smart. He considered the speed of the game, he considered that setup time is indeed a cost in itself and he considered magic combat mechanics.
If only he could read 😂
Drop Echo a modern deck. My man has threat assessment on point.
For sure!
Phyrexian obliterator is a great answer to the current temur lands deck.
The YGO brain cannot comprehend cards that have COSTS.
We have cards with costs too, we just don't have mana
@@KeshavKrishnan If you explain PSC to me, I will fight you in the fucking street.
PSCT is just the programming language of YGO. Just look for key punctuation, sequential and other phrases such as "do x and if you do, perform Y" and have decent reading comprehension and you are good to go. @@kateslate3228
I started laughing when he said you wouldn't drop Questing Beast on turn 1 like that is an option 99% of the time. As someone that plays both games it always messes with me how difficult the switch between them is for someone who only plays one.
Yes! Another one! Love these! Please keep doing these.
Happy you like them!
Man i’m feeling dumb. I played (casually) magic for quite a while. From the original kamigawa all the way until my final set with dinosaurs and pirates and i had no idea there was even a ban list and i went 2/5 on this 😅
Scapeshift would be a fun green spell for this series.
I agree!
Suggestion for a bait card for a future episode: One of the expansion hosers like Apocalypse Chime or City in a Bottle
I never played magic and got only Kiki jiki wrong because I thought being between turn 5 and 6 a siting duck would balanced it.
Close!
I expected the card that gains the effects of all cards in your grave. Yugioh players would find it utterly broken.
I feel like you have to constantly remind yugioh players that when creatures attacks, they don’t attack other creatures. They forget the blocking part of the battle phase because that’s not in Yugioh.
Bro got all the way to questing beast and I can tell he was thinking that deathtouch means you can ram it into larger creatures at will, even saying things like “you want them to establish their board before playing it” no my friend, you run this out there fast as possible and make them deal with it.
Yep lol
Have him look at cards from future sight and the original kamigawa flips
You should show someone Raging River, Chaos Orb or Chains of Mephistopheles one of these days... those would be nice and confusing.
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You should bring a dude named Flex Daddy. He's a small pokemon creator but I really like his videos. He also recently won a regionals.
As a Modern player where Time Warp barely sees any play, some bunch of babies must have complained about Alrund's.
People were copying it in standard to take multiple turns in a row
@@TheOneJameYT Wouldn't that be like 2 cards and 9 mana? Seems reasonable for a wincon
@@TheMCGamer2012 yea it’s 2 cards and 8 mana after the foretell, and it couldn’t be Duress’d out of exile
fav pokemon players i'd love to see are probably azulgg, chip richie(together would be cool too since they have a podcast together) and andrew mahone
I wouldve done Chalice of the Void, I showed it to a friend who plays pokemon and he thought it was the most busted card ever
I love your videos cause a lot of people that don't play yugioh cannot fathom how completely different yugioh is compared to every other TCG on the market.
Yea it’s way different lol
I don't know many Pokemon TCG content creators but when I was into the Pokemon TCG, I watched a bunch of a content creator called Tricky Gym
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>Reading the card explains the card
>Has to explain basically every line of text
I dunno if that first part is true lol
farewell against nine lives, its so nice
25:20 The Copied reflections would be sacced, though.
You make them after the start of opponent’s end step, so they stay alive on your turn, then die on your end step
@@TheOneJameYT OH. Not just, "Oh"... OH.
@@TheOneJameYT I didn't think of that
Obliterator feels like a broken card when you’re bad (me) but feels like a card that isn’t as broken against people who aren’t bad (not me).
its one of those cards where if you can play it without worrying about the cost its pretty good some decks just cant deal with it easily.
Obliterator has been power crept pretty bad with Sheoldred. It was already an upgrade from Phyrexian Negator, which was a bonkers card in its time.
If Obliterator existed during Black Summer '96, there's a very real chance it would have been banned lol.
Just saying for Questing Beast its cost is negligible due to the fact it’s in green. green in the Ramp colour you can get Questing Beast out turn 3 pretty easily in this colour so you’re opponent working with like 2 mana is forced to deal with this thing and waste resources on this card that can quickly become a problem since you turn 2 plays can’t do anything it besides kill spells or damage spells.
You should have put Black Lotus and Platinum Angel in it to make him struggle
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For Pokemon players you should ask AzulGG! He's the top player in US and he'd totally be down
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I love how this guy is like "this is whatever in yugioh, you discard two to draw two, its card neutral" Like there is a reason why Graceful Charity is still banned to this day, you know how many decks would LOVE this effect in Yugioh?
SO MANY
Love from a BigHoles and Vaush fan!
I knew fable would be the red card. I low key miss that card 😂
I haven't played...really since Eldrain, I can't keep up because I'm poor, and dont tell me that Arena is a good substitute, its not.
I knew that Mirror Breaker existed, but didn't know that it got banned, and i was pretty sure that unless Questing Beast had some degenerate thing going on in Pioneer, it wasn't going to be, because Modern would eat that thing for breakfast.
I have an...intense....dislike of Obliterator...when it first came out during Mirran Besieged/New Phyrexia, i was playing a W/G deck that had VERY little interaction with it, because White didn't have the best answers back then, and board wipes in my deck were a no no.
Props to this dude. That list was not easy at all. Maybe he should start playing some mtg he'd be good lol
Yea for sure lol
Idea: find a Star Wars Unlimited content creator (I don't know any, don't follow the game but surely they exist) for the archetype game and include Kozmo in them as the once-good. Maybe also BES.
That would be awesome lol
One of my friends plays Phyrexian Obliterator in pioneer in my LGS and I sideboard in Justice Strike against that card, it's super hilarious. Moral of this story, Obliterator is not banned AND not broken.
I think you were too helpful with some of the early cards but no one gets fable of the mirror breaker right! Way to go echo!
Believer, I want to see him do the 5/5
Edit: He got it!
Funny that a Yu-Gi-Oh player can't read 16 words to see "or more" yet knows and understands entire novel length mechanics of Yu-Gi-Oh cards.
I’ve basically only learned magic through videos like this and I’m now confused on why Questing Beast is good?
It does a lot for a 4 mana green card!
i would describe foretell as being like a trap card.
I knew it was gonna be questing beast lol
Wow amazing job!
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Why didn't you just explain Foretell as "instead of paying 7 right now, you pay 2 to set it in a spell/trap zone that your opponent can't interact with. And from there, you can pay 6 for it on a different turn"
Yea why didn’t I lol
@@TheOneJameYT one of my favorite things about Magic vs Yugioh is that besides a resource system, how combat works, and having a Permanent limit, the games are surprisingly similar and translate across and you can easily use terms to bridge the gap instantly. One of my favorite examples being the time I witnessed someone trying to teach a Yugioh player Magic. The Yugioh player was having a hard time understanding combat and Trample. I said one thing and unlocked everything for him: "Trample is just Piercing Battle Damage from Yugioh and without Trample no damage is dealt to the player if they block."
It’s crazy to me that yugioh players wouldn’t haven’t played MTG. Yugioh was inspired by MTG.
TBH the concept of bricking due not seeing enough mana or far too many is a turn off. That and I prefer anime over western fantasy art. Two different styles for each camp of folk. Yugioh has the more skillful player generally win as varience is at a all time minimum. Also makes it easy to recreate situations in the lab/testing, reminds of fighting games in that way
if you use roaming throne with phyrexian obliterator it is so funny
Oh wow that is cool
Well played
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boi bringing up only 1 legendary in the deck, i remember whe that was the actual rule and then i came back with commander, singelton by design, and then i saw in amonket that one exile spell that if it is a god exiles all coppies in hand as well and i just went "thats strange all gods a legendary so how you you possibly have one in hand with the same name outside of weird cloning shenanigans". as i was so out of touch at that point did this just lead to a weird conversation as neither side got the others standpoint but man we should bring back 1 legend per deck, maybe that stopps wizards from making every non uncommon creature a legendary
ps.: i just had an alrunds epiphany, flying is literally toon in yugioh. toons also attack directly unless the opponent has toons
I am believer !!! He can do it !!!