i would love to see spot the synergy. it would make the guest actually think about what the cards do and how they work insdead of just looking at the card and saying "yeah this looks stong"
The idea sounds sick, but also, Nikachu is a pretty smart guy and got stumped for almost a half hour on his attempt. Hopefully your guests have a lot of patience, if that would be the trend.
A little clarification: poseidra's type IS dragon like its name suggests... but only in japanese. Konami's translators for the TCG did a little edit to not just card names, but type names as well. The direct translations from the intended type names are: Zombie - Undead Sea Serpent - Sea Dragon Fairy - Angel Fiend - Devil Wyrm - Ghost Dragon/Spirit Dragon So now you know why "zombie" type includes ghosts and vampires, why anything with devil horns is a "fiend", why most fairy types are angels, why wyrms look like translucent dragons most of the time or are people possessed by dragons, and why zero "sea serpent" monsters are sea snakes (but ACTUAL sea serpents like giant red sea snake tend to be a mix of reptile, aqua, and fish)
@@Pyroniusburn don't get me wrong, there are cards that are only a given type because game balance (for example, thunder dragons were dragon type in the anime, but were printed as thunder monsters so the thunder type would have more than 3 or 4 monsters at that point). I'm just saying that a very large chunk of the TCG's typing weirdness is just bad translations, and/or miscommunicated localizations. Luckily, illusion is like cyberse in that it can basically be anything konami wants. With cyberse being any monster created by the internet and illusion being anything that's created via magical illusions OR someone/something that's proficient in illusion magic. So for the new type they can basically just staple an eye of wjdat on the design somewhere and call it an illusion type and it'll fit the lore.
@@Pyroniusburn Except it would be ridiculous if every single card that has a certain name or aesthetic needed to be a specific type. Take Block Dragon, the monster whose art shows it's made of plastic, made explicitly to support the Rock-type? Should it be a dragon-type just because it says "Dragon" in the name?
@@omegaXjammur yep. Also "seiyaryu" = "starry knight dragon". In an effort to avoid having to errata yet another card name, konami decided to make the "starry knight" archetype also support level 7 light dragons. Oh, and dark witch (and by extension dunames dark witch) is a valkyrie monster... but luckily the valkyrie cards are worded in a way that they don't have to pull a "frog the jam" situation.
When Nikachu was asking why you'd want to banish a card from the GY for White Aura Monoceros on destroy effect, I think he actually just didn't understand that the banishing was an additional *cost* required to special summon the card back from the GY. He thought banishing a card was the reward, when actually it was part of the requirements.
@@Majoraspersonaopponent making raigeki and me synching into Whale just to get popped and getting to search off an Arionpos for being used as material and chain blocking with whale banishing a tuner to put it into rotation truly is a reward
I want "spot the synergy" as a series! There's so many cool combinations between archtypes and that's what makes yugioh specifically very enjoyable to me over the many years.
@@TheOneJameYT got a vote from me i like finding out weird synergies in general like rulkallos providing battle destruction immunity to other aqua monsters tends to get overlooked if not just considered a minor annoyance without any real pressure but if paired with aegirine gymir it starts to be a major issue or even worst if paired with water barrier statue... or both aegirine gymir and water barrier at same time
@@TheOneJameYT Showing someone Danger! and Dark World and seeing if they figure out theres a deep draw combo going on and explaining how insane the deck gets when it gets to play would be really funny. Its more reminiscent of an MtG infinite than most other combos in this game
I am pretty sure the reason some mermails are fish and some are aqua is because all the male mermail monsters are fish, all the female mermail monsters are aqua, and i think all extra deck or boss monster mermails are sea serpents. Not 100% certain, but i think it tracks for the most part ? PS: Today we are teaching these fish to synchro summon it seems.
If water's still the theme for Nickachu's later episode, show him frogs next. Would love to see how he evaluates those cards, could even be a segment of guess the synergy since they work with so many decks, mainly paleo. Swap, Dupe, Ronin, Sub, Toad are the 5 cards you can show him
With the focus on the battle phase being a point of distraction I think a good idea would be an episode themed on the battle phase, with Glad Beast, War Rock and Tenpai. Or Dinowrestler. For a bonus question, ask the guest to, taking into account power creep, guess which archetype is the oldest.
Pegasus has a special ability that allows him to know what's in his opponent's hand at all times (really powerful). However, Yugi's special ability is to always draw the card he wants, which is stronger in my opinion
Pegasus can add mind crush (and all similar cards) to his deck: Yugi doesn't have a hand to play with (assuming Yugi's exodia cards are still torn up).
@@lmr4403except pegasus would have to draw them first. Its also possible yugi doesn’t just draw what he wants but actually wills cards into existence. Which means he could literally make shit up if he needed to
That's a bit reductionist of the millennium puzzle's power. It allows him to will ANYTHING that can solve his situation to the top. If there are 4 cards that can work he doesn't get to pick. One of those 4 will show up, but he doesn't actually know which until he draws it.
I think the graveyard focus that many if not most water decks have is thematically supposed to be the graveyard representing the ocean so they're diving in or being fished out.
30:54 actually it does depend on what is in play, the ability to atk directly doesnt get stopped by effects that can redirect atks on monsters since you wouldnt be atking a monster but the player instead, however it can get stopped by atks that limits what can be atked such as on cards like crusadia vanguard and rock of the vanquisher which restricts atk targets to either crusadia monsters or monsters with the highest atk and WILL prevent direct atks effect from functioning properly as restricting atk targets does include the player too
With the Merfolk theming I half expected to see Tear, but forgot you already showed him that in another episode. However, Mermail and Atlantean definitely did fit a fair bit better and show a synergistic nature of some WATER Monsters. Also thinking on other interesting WATER archetypes one which would be a bit wierd for him would be showing him the Icejades. They are definitely an odd bunch. Could show him Aegirene, Ran Aegirene, Kosmochlor, and Gymir Aegirene. (And Ran would probably really throw him off if he connects the easy Gymir summoning aspect of her)
it's worth noting that merlanteans weren't really the result of players cooking behind konami's back. the proper atlanteans ( aka, the ones that actually have the atlantean playstyle, instead of the random water monsters the archetype was based on like atlantean pikeman and atlantean attack squad ) were released in their own dedicated structure deck, which was followed up _a month_ later by the introduction of a bunch of water monsters that discarded other water monsters for cost in abyss rising. incidentally, they all had abyss in their name in the set that also had abyss in its name, which also happened to have a significant chunk of it dedicated to a water theme. and in case all those coincidences still just seem like coincidences instead of konami intentionally designing releases that play well with each other, the supplementary master guide of the era outright elaborates on the atlantean and mermail lore ... and as part of the same storyline hell, it genuinely would not surprise me if the prerelease articles for abyss rising hyped up mermails by outright guiding players towards their synergy with the recent atlantean structure deck. it's just one of those things that's so blatant that they really have no reason to be subtle about it
Not only that, but just like most of the decks today, we already had tons of decklists from the OCG mixing the two and unlike today this was back when we shared the banlist so everyone was aware of mermails on release. The only difference was the lack of abyssteus made the deck more grindy and less so much combo, which was why people experimented with Genex Undine + Allure of darkness to outresource. I think I remember people also playing like salvage to modulate the waters for Moulinglacia as well, before the aqua spirit builds.
Seems like Nikachu's experience with Merfolk in Magic got in the way of his analysis of the WATER Archetypes this time. It really seemed like he was trying to get the cards to fit his view of how Merfolk is supposed to play I also noticed that Nikachu was saying that Defense position monsters keep your LP safe. While that isn't wrong, high ATK monsters also do that since direct attacks can't happen unless the defending player has no monsters
Showing Atlantean and Mermail separate to each other is Hilarious to me as somebody who played Neptabyss decks in BOSH format after the PEPE emergency banlist.
31:50 to be fair, most of the types yugioh do contain "dragon" in the japanese name(ryu), sea serpent is kairyu (yes like kairyu shin, means sea dragon), dinosaur is kyoryu, wyrm is genryu (phantom dragon) etc That's what many cards are called "dragon" without being dragon type, normally they are "dragon something"-type in the japanese version of the game
My favorite YGO "card name and type don't match" is an old vanilla (don't think it was ever printed for TCG) named Dragon Statue. Dragon? Of course not. Wyrm? Rock? Winged Beast? That would make too much sense. It's a Warrior... "with the heart of a dragon".
Regarding the reanimator allegations, it is worth noting that the zones in yugioh have different meaning depending on the archetype. For example, graveyard in yugioh is considered the sea in the water archetypes. The field is the earth or surface of the water and the banish pile is the deep sea. That explains many gimmicks like tearlaments, white aura and gothi.
@@TheTakato122I like the interpretation. That way makes more sense as in other decks the field would be the surface of the earth, the gy, the underground and the banish pile a different dimension. NODDERS
I'm sure no one here actually cares but "banish" in Yugioh usually means being sent to the "Different Dimension," or D.D. This is why it's not impossible to return from banish, you just have to cross dimensions again. The "Shadow Realm" is a concept that only exist in the Western dub. In the original Japanese, the "Shadow Realm" lines were supposed to be mentions of dying but since Westerns LOVE to censor anything that comes out of Asia and thought the concept of death was to dark for kids, they invented the "Shadow Realm."
As soon as you said there was a twist while he was looking at the mermails, I knew you were going to present the Atlanteans as a separate archetype. Nice twist to include the find the synergy part at the end. If you are going to do more like that, it might be a good idea to have a duel replay showing a simple playline to show them at the end. Essentially just showing what you explained to him at the end, but it might be easier for guests to follow if they can see the cards that you're talking about rather than trying to remember which one was heavy infantry vs marksman vs dragoon etc.
The archetypes might make more sense to your guests if you relate their effects to their themes. For example, the "White Aura" effects are meant to mimic a school of fish -- hence why they tend to swarm with multiples of the same name, and why you're rewarded for doing so.
Oh, I really like the concept for this one. Making a theme off the other guy's specialty? Very fun. I'm not as versed on MTG pros/youtubers so I don't know how broad this could go, but if anyone likes soldiers, I think Tri-Brigade or Zoodiacs could be good play for that possible video. (Also quick plug for Elementsabers again)
One of my favorite things about this deck was that it had an interaction that none of the other decks had.: "Activate before end phase, special summon linde. Do you still enter end phase?" lol
based on the theming, surprised the white fish were here instead of something like marincess, gishki, or tearlaments (though i'm guessing he's already familiar with tearlaments)
Gunkan Suships, Aqua monsters with fire attribute and surprisingly strong in Master Duell. Propably because you have enough space in your deck for Ashes, Maxx Cs, Impermanenses and other interuptions.
nikachu: "how do people find these synergies" me: OMG please nooo it's sooooo obvious one wants to discard waters and the other wants to be discarded, the synergy can be seen from another planet how he missed it is beyond me also they interact with the graveyard because for these cards the grave is more like an analog for the ocean, when they get to the grave it's like they go under the water, and when they "reanimate" it's not reanimation but coming up from the deep
The deal with the graveyard related effects with these cards are like they’re diving into the deep sea to activate their effects. The white aura ones like the Whale revives from the GY as if a Whale resurfaces from the deep ocean to breath
For the battle system explanation, I would have said, "You can't attack face unless they have no creatures. Otherwise every creature battles like a fight spell is being used on them, so you can have any creature attack any creature until they have none left. Defense position just means you don't take trample damage." I think it's also worth mentioning that almost every archetype in yugioh is a graveyard archetype. The graveyard is called "The Second Hand" for a reason.
pretty sure a monster's type and attribute flavor wise is simply just any aspect of the monsters themselves, like look at albaz and aluber; in human form they're a dragon and fairy type respectively when 1 doesnt even have any outward dragonic traits and the other is ironically demonic which is then reflected in their fusion forms where aluber as masquerade the blazing dragon is not a dragon but a fiend despite having dragon in its name and albaz's dragons have various types from beast, winged-beast, machine and wyrm alongside dragons and they both changes attributes between light and dark depending on their current form, another examples is visas starfrost's alternate world's counterparts being warriors like him but their evolved forms showing their true nature is of a different type like reinoheart becomes a fiend as kaleido-heart showing how hes a tyrant, riumheart becomes a fairy as prime-heart because hes visas' pure nature while riseheart becomes machine as arise-heart since hes now mechanically armored types and attribute is probably just any aspect that a monster can be represented by both on the surface or their hidden aspects of themselves which is why monsters can completely change attribute and types from card to card so in this case the mermails can potentially be fish, aqua and/or sea-serpent but they're represented by different types that is most fitting to them in some way or another so with some exceptions the types is represented in terms of increasing power among them
I’m think the Albaz Dragon’s typings are literally just for synergy with Branded in High Spirits exactly. It allowed High Spirits to be an extra searcher if you were willing to toss in a couple extra cards. It didn’t work out, but you know… you could.
@@alisethera9349 thats only when considering their typings mechanically but im referring to them flavor wise like rindbrumm is a winged beast despite being a mechanical vehicle in the shape of a dragon another would be thunder dragons, they're thunder types when they're really dragons yet visually some of them can be classified as other types too its not all just for mechanics
@@YukiFubuki. a great, classic example of this is the legendary *MONK FIGHTER* who, despite being a human dude who can punch hard, is a rock type to represent the fact that vorse raider can pick him up and break him against a wall like a pebble
Awesome video, you and Nikachu are awesome together 😊 i actually owned this deck back in the day and ive never owned many at all so couldnt believe this actually came up haha
When he kept asking about how to win, and said Attack with lvl3 monsters, I was losing it lol. Mermail had access to Dracossack, Big Eye and Moulinglacia to start off/finish the game, who needed to attack directly with small monsters? lol
12:50 Gotta love when you explain to the MTG guy why the entire community makes a meme out of not reading the cards. When the people actually playing the game don't want to read everything going on, that's when you know there might be a bit too much.
To be fair, Pegasus wasn't using banned cards (in the USA version at least), he was using unreleased cards. MTG has a few of those too, where they printed them but never released them to the public (Richard Garfield's cards to propose to his then girlfriend, for example). They designed them, then decided the toon monsters were too powerful and never released them. Pegasus printed them and uses them, since his company made the card game in the anime.
I think it might generally be helpful if you explain when an effect in yugioh actually ends and when a new one starts. Because this seemed to cause a lot of confusion here. What I mean is explaining the meaning of the punctuation in ygo card effects. Nikachu seems to have at least twice thought and effect ended at a semicolon and was confused why the effect only consisted of a cost.
It's kinda funny cause Mermail and Atlanteans have such strong synergy and I associate them together so much that I sometimes forget they aren't actually the same archetype. It's interesting to see an outsider perspective on that kinda stuff.
Basically the reason why most cards state their entire name in the card effects is because otherwise they couldn't limit the number of times the effect could be used. Older archetype cards don't reference the card name, allowing you to repeat effects if you are able to get more that one of the same card.
"Like Blowing up a beached whale" I just love the way he thinks about things. Anyways... YOOOOOOOOO! I can't believe I was offline for this one!!!! I finally get my wish. I kinda feel obligated to do the patreon now (don't hold me to that). At any rate, great video. That Dragonlord thing was cool, very Yu-Gi-Oh like. The discussion of synergy was the best part. I find that with these one game to another discussions, the worst is when it's just pure memes, the best is when it's actually discussing gameplay mechanics and strategy.
Mermails always was and will always be my favorite deck. I remember i got top 8 at a tournament when dragon rulers and spellbooks were all other 7 decks. Mermails with 3 tidal was nuts
Definitely bring him back and have him do Ghiski and/or Nekroz. Actually wait Have him do Ghiski, Nekroz and Ice Barrier. That could be fun as a thematic lore thing, which as a Magic player he would probably appreciate a lot.
Great video! One card suggestion for the future would be Lord of the Heavenly Prison. It is confusing art-wise, if you don't read the (convoluted) effect properly, you might overrate the card by a bit (you could think that this is able to use both effects in succession, e.g.). Also, it makes them ask themselves the question of value vs value of traps vs tempo
Edit after having watched 1 minute of the vid: I'm stupid, and commented before watching the vid. Ignore what I say about covering the other attributes. I'm kinda surprised that there wasn't Marincess in here. There's definitely enough WATER archetypes to do a sequel, if you come back to this (I'm assuming that you're gonna do one of each attribute, then revisit some attributes with missed archetypes). Some of the remaining ones are: Marincess (Especially this) Umi Rikka Icejade Shark Ghoti Gishki Ice Barrier Nekroz I hope I didn't mention any that were in previous vids, cause it would be embarrassing if Marincess was already in a vid and I forgot about it.
It would have been interesting to see archetypes that were released in the same time period and see if the guests can evaluate their standing against each other. (ex. DUEA Format, TOSS Format, etc.)
personally I think the White Aura monsters should say "treat it as a Tuna" instead of "treat it as a Tuner". as a bit. Fur Hire can fuck with PSCT, why can't White Aura (also big nostalgia from me with the Atlanteans, those were my deck of choice back when I was most into actual paper Yugioh with my brother (the structure was p new at the time) Though mostly in conjunction with ALO making Dragoons a 2k direct attacker and Poseidra a 1-tribute 3k beatstick lol, we didn't really have a concept of the kind of power level constructed yugioh was at by this point. our best XYZ was Utopia)
For the most part, the difference between the Aqua/Fish/Sea Serpent typing usually has to do with a given characteristic. If it swims, but doesn't have gills, it's an Aqua. Think Yorishiro of the Aqua.
One suggestion I can make for this series is to show them what the combo of the decks looks like (after they rate all 3 at the end of course). Or if it's too long maybe just the "currently good" deck. I would love to see their reactions at the combos the decks can pull off. Also someone said this in another video but a "rate the endboard" video would also be cool. Something that shows actual yugioh gameplay. Although one of the funny things about this series is that the guests don''t know that much about yugioh so seeing too many gameplay might "ruin" it in the long run. I'd really love to see the reactions tho.
With how many videos Nikachu has been in I think it’s time to play a game, or if you wanted an “April fools” idea just show them rush duel cards. That could also just be a funny thing to do anyway.
@@TheOneJameYTwhat’d be hilarious if you do is showing white aura whale as a sixth card for the Ghotis and just not saying anything about it not having the archetype name.
if you showed him the kicker in Moulinglacia the Elemental Lord which is the perfect one-of in this deck he probably would've thought this deck we busted 😭
At some point you’re gonna have to get Nikachu to actually play a game of yugioh with you, maybe play Goat or Edison to help him understand how one plays spell cards and summons monsters lol
suppose to represent the depths of the sea for many water archetypes, honest the word ‘graveyard’ for the discard pile is non-indicative these days and various areas functions more like allegories to specific settings instead like the hand is a liminal space for dangers, the pendulum scales is the angel and devil on your shoulders for valmonica, the extra deck is the bed for a sleepy little girl who dreams of (monstrous) sweet and treats, the monsters zones row is a boss and its minions for generaider in a typical boss battle and the opponent’s deck is their current hp for runick as an rpg where you atk the opponent directly and defend against their retaliation with the current skills at your disposal while you wait for them to come off cd
Ah mermails were my baby back in the day, all the way from the early builds with linde to crazy diva into prince into bam bam bam trish, elemental lord, rip 3 cards outa the opponets hand... it was the best
Awww I thought for sure you were gonna show him my froggy bois. Would've been hilarious to see his reaction to Toadaly Awesome lol. Also off topic, I had this thought that whoever thought up the idea of merpeople were WILD. Like, imagine the OG furry back in the day pitching the idea of cryptids that were all super hot dudes and chicks up top and then nasty ass fish on the bottom 😅😂😂
You should do this with field spells. Extra points if you can get him to say a card is nuts like giant ball park and another one is crap but saw a lot of play like dragon ravine
@@TheOneJameYT same here and it looks nuts on paper but when you realize your running so many bricks then it starts to suck. It’s like the ultimate noob trap. I love running it with a rescue rabbit style deck that just spams rank 4s lmfao
Like this comment if you want to see a new series called “Spot the Synergy”
i would love to see spot the synergy. it would make the guest actually think about what the cards do and how they work insdead of just looking at the card and saying "yeah this looks stong"
**Shows Speedroid Terrortop and M-X-Sabre Invoker** "First we begin by reading every Beast-Warrior card in the game..."
The idea sounds sick, but also, Nikachu is a pretty smart guy and got stumped for almost a half hour on his attempt. Hopefully your guests have a lot of patience, if that would be the trend.
I liked it even though, like, come on, you're going to make the series anyways lol
That sounds very cool
"Spot the synergy" is unironically a good idea for a future series.
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The one thing Nikachu loves saying is "You've activated my trap card" so next time have him rate Trap Card decks like Traptrix and Labyrinth
Haha he wouldn’t know what to say anymore
Especially in an Archtype video. Would be hilarious.
And paleozoic
Also dinomorphia, altergeist, amazement, counter fairy and maybe stun
A little clarification: poseidra's type IS dragon like its name suggests... but only in japanese. Konami's translators for the TCG did a little edit to not just card names, but type names as well. The direct translations from the intended type names are:
Zombie - Undead
Sea Serpent - Sea Dragon
Fairy - Angel
Fiend - Devil
Wyrm - Ghost Dragon/Spirit Dragon
So now you know why "zombie" type includes ghosts and vampires, why anything with devil horns is a "fiend", why most fairy types are angels, why wyrms look like translucent dragons most of the time or are people possessed by dragons, and why zero "sea serpent" monsters are sea snakes (but ACTUAL sea serpents like giant red sea snake tend to be a mix of reptile, aqua, and fish)
This excuse works up to a point, there's a card with "dragon" in the name for every type in the game, barring Illusion.
@@Pyroniusburn don't get me wrong, there are cards that are only a given type because game balance (for example, thunder dragons were dragon type in the anime, but were printed as thunder monsters so the thunder type would have more than 3 or 4 monsters at that point). I'm just saying that a very large chunk of the TCG's typing weirdness is just bad translations, and/or miscommunicated localizations.
Luckily, illusion is like cyberse in that it can basically be anything konami wants. With cyberse being any monster created by the internet and illusion being anything that's created via magical illusions OR someone/something that's proficient in illusion magic.
So for the new type they can basically just staple an eye of wjdat on the design somewhere and call it an illusion type and it'll fit the lore.
@@Pyroniusburn Except it would be ridiculous if every single card that has a certain name or aesthetic needed to be a specific type.
Take Block Dragon, the monster whose art shows it's made of plastic, made explicitly to support the Rock-type? Should it be a dragon-type just because it says "Dragon" in the name?
Red Dragon Archfiend = Red Dragon Daemon
@@omegaXjammur yep. Also "seiyaryu" = "starry knight dragon". In an effort to avoid having to errata yet another card name, konami decided to make the "starry knight" archetype also support level 7 light dragons.
Oh, and dark witch (and by extension dunames dark witch) is a valkyrie monster... but luckily the valkyrie cards are worded in a way that they don't have to pull a "frog the jam" situation.
I literally never knew that Atlantean dragoons had an onfield effect
It’s THAT irrelevant 🤣
It does?? (I haven't watched the vid yet)
LMAO i was listening to this while i was working at tabbed out and i heard him read that line and i was like WHOA WHOA WHOA WHAT
@@brolteon2740 EXCUSE ME WHAT
Just adding to the point that yugioh players just kinda memorize the platonic ideal of cards instead of their actual text haha.
When Nikachu was asking why you'd want to banish a card from the GY for White Aura Monoceros on destroy effect, I think he actually just didn't understand that the banishing was an additional *cost* required to special summon the card back from the GY. He thought banishing a card was the reward, when actually it was part of the requirements.
You learn and hope to live. LOL
And jame didn't clarify that neither
Well, it is a reward if you're playing Ghoti
@@Majoraspersonaopponent making raigeki and me synching into Whale just to get popped and getting to search off an Arionpos for being used as material and chain blocking with whale banishing a tuner to put it into rotation truly is a reward
I want "spot the synergy" as a series! There's so many cool combinations between archtypes and that's what makes yugioh specifically very enjoyable to me over the many years.
I wonder how many other people would like this as a series!
@@TheOneJameYT Yes pls!
@@TheOneJameYT got a vote from me
i like finding out weird synergies in general like rulkallos providing battle destruction immunity to other aqua monsters tends to get overlooked if not just considered a minor annoyance without any real pressure but if paired with aegirine gymir it starts to be a major issue or even worst if paired with water barrier statue... or both aegirine gymir and water barrier at same time
@@TheOneJameYT Showing someone Danger! and Dark World and seeing if they figure out theres a deep draw combo going on and explaining how insane the deck gets when it gets to play would be really funny. Its more reminiscent of an MtG infinite than most other combos in this game
Danger dark world and thunder dragon in 1 session?
I am pretty sure the reason some mermails are fish and some are aqua is because all the male mermail monsters are fish, all the female mermail monsters are aqua, and i think all extra deck or boss monster mermails are sea serpents. Not 100% certain, but i think it tracks for the most part ?
PS: Today we are teaching these fish to synchro summon it seems.
Interesting! I’ll have to look that up
It's because Konami knows people don't want a fish waifus so they made the girls 'aqua' instead so it's more acceptable
@@Midneight0 damn, you beat me to it
@@Midneight0yugioh players want to screw anything
@@Midneight0 I'm curious to know the reason the community didn't want fish waifus at the time. Do they still not want fish waifus?
If water's still the theme for Nickachu's later episode, show him frogs next. Would love to see how he evaluates those cards, could even be a segment of guess the synergy since they work with so many decks, mainly paleo. Swap, Dupe, Ronin, Sub, Toad are the 5 cards you can show him
With the focus on the battle phase being a point of distraction I think a good idea would be an episode themed on the battle phase, with Glad Beast, War Rock and Tenpai. Or Dinowrestler.
For a bonus question, ask the guest to, taking into account power creep, guess which archetype is the oldest.
Nikachu is our Visas Star Frost, visiting each Archetype planet and calling them"cringe" or tier minus 1😂😂😂
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Pegasus has a special ability that allows him to know what's in his opponent's hand at all times (really powerful).
However, Yugi's special ability is to always draw the card he wants, which is stronger in my opinion
Pegasus can add mind crush (and all similar cards) to his deck: Yugi doesn't have a hand to play with (assuming Yugi's exodia cards are still torn up).
@@lmr4403 and that's why it's yugi who flings around mind crushes, not pegasus
@@lmr4403except pegasus would have to draw them first. Its also possible yugi doesn’t just draw what he wants but actually wills cards into existence.
Which means he could literally make shit up if he needed to
That's a bit reductionist of the millennium puzzle's power. It allows him to will ANYTHING that can solve his situation to the top. If there are 4 cards that can work he doesn't get to pick. One of those 4 will show up, but he doesn't actually know which until he draws it.
@@tomithy_loUntil he goes Super Saiyan in the last episode.
I think the graveyard focus that many if not most water decks have is thematically supposed to be the graveyard representing the ocean so they're diving in or being fished out.
50:40 Both the archetypes released at the same time so it wasn't too difficult to figure out
Kinda, steus, gunde and prince were release later resulting in linde falling outa the deck
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Fun fact:
Monoceros is Greek for unicorn, mono = one, ceros = horn
Likewise,, rhinoceros is simply Greek for nose horn
30:54 actually it does depend on what is in play, the ability to atk directly doesnt get stopped by effects that can redirect atks on monsters since you wouldnt be atking a monster but the player instead, however it can get stopped by atks that limits what can be atked such as on cards like crusadia vanguard and rock of the vanquisher which restricts atk targets to either crusadia monsters or monsters with the highest atk and WILL prevent direct atks effect from functioning properly as restricting atk targets does include the player too
With the Merfolk theming I half expected to see Tear, but forgot you already showed him that in another episode. However, Mermail and Atlantean definitely did fit a fair bit better and show a synergistic nature of some WATER Monsters.
Also thinking on other interesting WATER archetypes one which would be a bit wierd for him would be showing him the Icejades. They are definitely an odd bunch. Could show him Aegirene, Ran Aegirene, Kosmochlor, and Gymir Aegirene. (And Ran would probably really throw him off if he connects the easy Gymir summoning aspect of her)
"Piercing battle damage, that sounds more dangerous than regular damage" well no
Well, on a completely technical point of view... It kinda is.
It's completely irrelevant, like the attack but it technically is 🤣
@@mareephemeral1689 Damage is damage
It is more dangerous. There are some stall strategies, that loose to it.
@@mareephemeral1689literally just won a game because my 2900 piercer beat over a 300 def monster while my opponent was at 2600.
it's worth noting that merlanteans weren't really the result of players cooking behind konami's back. the proper atlanteans ( aka, the ones that actually have the atlantean playstyle, instead of the random water monsters the archetype was based on like atlantean pikeman and atlantean attack squad ) were released in their own dedicated structure deck, which was followed up _a month_ later by the introduction of a bunch of water monsters that discarded other water monsters for cost in abyss rising. incidentally, they all had abyss in their name in the set that also had abyss in its name, which also happened to have a significant chunk of it dedicated to a water theme. and in case all those coincidences still just seem like coincidences instead of konami intentionally designing releases that play well with each other, the supplementary master guide of the era outright elaborates on the atlantean and mermail lore ... and as part of the same storyline
hell, it genuinely would not surprise me if the prerelease articles for abyss rising hyped up mermails by outright guiding players towards their synergy with the recent atlantean structure deck. it's just one of those things that's so blatant that they really have no reason to be subtle about it
Not only that, but just like most of the decks today, we already had tons of decklists from the OCG mixing the two and unlike today this was back when we shared the banlist so everyone was aware of mermails on release. The only difference was the lack of abyssteus made the deck more grindy and less so much combo, which was why people experimented with Genex Undine + Allure of darkness to outresource. I think I remember people also playing like salvage to modulate the waters for Moulinglacia as well, before the aqua spirit builds.
Seems like Nikachu's experience with Merfolk in Magic got in the way of his analysis of the WATER Archetypes this time. It really seemed like he was trying to get the cards to fit his view of how Merfolk is supposed to play
I also noticed that Nikachu was saying that Defense position monsters keep your LP safe. While that isn't wrong, high ATK monsters also do that since direct attacks can't happen unless the defending player has no monsters
Showing Atlantean and Mermail separate to each other is Hilarious to me as somebody who played Neptabyss decks in BOSH format after the PEPE emergency banlist.
31:50 to be fair, most of the types yugioh do contain "dragon" in the japanese name(ryu), sea serpent is kairyu (yes like kairyu shin, means sea dragon), dinosaur is kyoryu, wyrm is genryu (phantom dragon) etc
That's what many cards are called "dragon" without being dragon type, normally they are "dragon something"-type in the japanese version of the game
My favorite YGO "card name and type don't match" is an old vanilla (don't think it was ever printed for TCG) named Dragon Statue. Dragon? Of course not. Wyrm? Rock? Winged Beast? That would make too much sense. It's a Warrior... "with the heart of a dragon".
😭 I wanted to see Marincess in this video (the art on the cards is sooo pretty! - and my only criteria to evaluate a card is how cool is the artwork)
The sequel to this will have marinecess and ghoti
@@TheOneJameYTBased. Marincess is amazing and probably my favorite deck.
It's so simple, but it's ceiling is so high
Regarding the reanimator allegations, it is worth noting that the zones in yugioh have different meaning depending on the archetype. For example, graveyard in yugioh is considered the sea in the water archetypes. The field is the earth or surface of the water and the banish pile is the deep sea. That explains many gimmicks like tearlaments, white aura and gothi.
The field is surface of the water, the graveyard is underwater and the banish pile is Mariana Trench.
@@TheTakato122I like the interpretation. That way makes more sense as in other decks the field would be the surface of the earth, the gy, the underground and the banish pile a different dimension. NODDERS
I'm sure no one here actually cares but "banish" in Yugioh usually means being sent to the "Different Dimension," or D.D. This is why it's not impossible to return from banish, you just have to cross dimensions again.
The "Shadow Realm" is a concept that only exist in the Western dub. In the original Japanese, the "Shadow Realm" lines were supposed to be mentions of dying but since Westerns LOVE to censor anything that comes out of Asia and thought the concept of death was to dark for kids, they invented the "Shadow Realm."
To be fair, the Shadow Realm being a different plain of existence matches the Paper Game's D.D. lore a lot closer than the Manga.
As soon as you said there was a twist while he was looking at the mermails, I knew you were going to present the Atlanteans as a separate archetype. Nice twist to include the find the synergy part at the end. If you are going to do more like that, it might be a good idea to have a duel replay showing a simple playline to show them at the end. Essentially just showing what you explained to him at the end, but it might be easier for guests to follow if they can see the cards that you're talking about rather than trying to remember which one was heavy infantry vs marksman vs dragoon etc.
White fish were more fish than merfolk. Then again, it's better than having tearlament as the other merfolk to compare to
That’s for the sequel lol
The archetypes might make more sense to your guests if you relate their effects to their themes. For example, the "White Aura" effects are meant to mimic a school of fish -- hence why they tend to swarm with multiples of the same name, and why you're rewarded for doing so.
I remember when prince first came out, one guy on my locals pointed out "this is the prince, imagine what the king and quern does"
Oh, I really like the concept for this one. Making a theme off the other guy's specialty? Very fun. I'm not as versed on MTG pros/youtubers so I don't know how broad this could go, but if anyone likes soldiers, I think Tri-Brigade or Zoodiacs could be good play for that possible video.
(Also quick plug for Elementsabers again)
One of my favorite things about this deck was that it had an interaction that none of the other decks had.: "Activate before end phase, special summon linde. Do you still enter end phase?" lol
Yes that was hilarious lol
Tricksy hobbitses, combining the fishes into one deck - except it's the deck exclusively focused on fish was left out, I guess.
I love the idea of showing archtypes that worked together and having them guess which were used together. Please do more like this one.
Noted!
based on the theming, surprised the white fish were here instead of something like marincess, gishki, or tearlaments (though i'm guessing he's already familiar with tearlaments)
That’s for the sequel
Gunkan Suships, Aqua monsters with fire attribute and surprisingly strong in Master Duell. Propably because you have enough space in your deck for Ashes, Maxx Cs, Impermanenses and other interuptions.
nikachu: "how do people find these synergies"
me: OMG please nooo it's sooooo obvious
one wants to discard waters and the other wants to be discarded, the synergy can be seen from another planet
how he missed it is beyond me
also they interact with the graveyard because for these cards the grave is more like an analog for the ocean, when they get to the grave it's like they go under the water, and when they "reanimate" it's not reanimation but coming up from the deep
The deal with the graveyard related effects with these cards are like they’re diving into the deep sea to activate their effects. The white aura ones like the Whale revives from the GY as if a Whale resurfaces from the deep ocean to breath
noooooo you beat me to iiiit xd I was commenting the same thing xd
My guy sounded so enthusiastic about the synergy between Atlanteans and Mermails and I'm here for it
It’s hype!
Nothing makes me love MTG more than reading Yu Gi Oh Cards
I've been playing Mermail since Dragoons came back to 3, and the entire video I'm just like "wait... these are all just in the same deck."
For the battle system explanation, I would have said, "You can't attack face unless they have no creatures. Otherwise every creature battles like a fight spell is being used on them, so you can have any creature attack any creature until they have none left. Defense position just means you don't take trample damage."
I think it's also worth mentioning that almost every archetype in yugioh is a graveyard archetype. The graveyard is called "The Second Hand" for a reason.
I would add monsters having different stats between positions, like 1000/2000 is equal to 1000/1000 in attack and 2000/2000 in defense.
@@ViRoV00 I didn't mention it, because I think it's been said before
pretty sure a monster's type and attribute flavor wise is simply just any aspect of the monsters themselves, like look at albaz and aluber; in human form they're a dragon and fairy type respectively when 1 doesnt even have any outward dragonic traits and the other is ironically demonic which is then reflected in their fusion forms where aluber as masquerade the blazing dragon is not a dragon but a fiend despite having dragon in its name and albaz's dragons have various types from beast, winged-beast, machine and wyrm alongside dragons and they both changes attributes between light and dark depending on their current form, another examples is visas starfrost's alternate world's counterparts being warriors like him but their evolved forms showing their true nature is of a different type like reinoheart becomes a fiend as kaleido-heart showing how hes a tyrant, riumheart becomes a fairy as prime-heart because hes visas' pure nature while riseheart becomes machine as arise-heart since hes now mechanically armored
types and attribute is probably just any aspect that a monster can be represented by both on the surface or their hidden aspects of themselves which is why monsters can completely change attribute and types from card to card so in this case the mermails can potentially be fish, aqua and/or sea-serpent but they're represented by different types that is most fitting to them in some way or another so with some exceptions the types is represented in terms of increasing power among them
I’m think the Albaz Dragon’s typings are literally just for synergy with Branded in High Spirits exactly. It allowed High Spirits to be an extra searcher if you were willing to toss in a couple extra cards.
It didn’t work out, but you know… you could.
@@alisethera9349 thats only when considering their typings mechanically but im referring to them flavor wise like rindbrumm is a winged beast despite being a mechanical vehicle in the shape of a dragon
another would be thunder dragons, they're thunder types when they're really dragons yet visually some of them can be classified as other types too
its not all just for mechanics
@@YukiFubuki. a great, classic example of this is the legendary *MONK FIGHTER* who, despite being a human dude who can punch hard, is a rock type to represent the fact that vorse raider can pick him up and break him against a wall like a pebble
Awesome video, you and Nikachu are awesome together 😊 i actually owned this deck back in the day and ive never owned many at all so couldnt believe this actually came up haha
Thanks!!
When he kept asking about how to win, and said Attack with lvl3 monsters, I was losing it lol. Mermail had access to Dracossack, Big Eye and Moulinglacia to start off/finish the game, who needed to attack directly with small monsters? lol
It took everything in me not to laugh
12:50 Gotta love when you explain to the MTG guy why the entire community makes a meme out of not reading the cards. When the people actually playing the game don't want to read everything going on, that's when you know there might be a bit too much.
11:23 A Tuner is someone with a British Accent saying Tuna
I think it was probably also worth mentioning that the White Aura stuff is brand new and seeing some competitive success in the OCG
To be fair, Pegasus wasn't using banned cards (in the USA version at least), he was using unreleased cards. MTG has a few of those too, where they printed them but never released them to the public (Richard Garfield's cards to propose to his then girlfriend, for example). They designed them, then decided the toon monsters were too powerful and never released them. Pegasus printed them and uses them, since his company made the card game in the anime.
A cool idea to help, especially with more complicated archetypes, would be to show dueling book/ master duel / edopro replays of the turn 1 combos.
Spot the Synergy would be wild with the full extention of the deck or you can talk about zombies
Mermail Abyssteus is very Iconic to me, or how I like to call it "High-Five Mako Shark"
I think it might generally be helpful if you explain when an effect in yugioh actually ends and when a new one starts. Because this seemed to cause a lot of confusion here. What I mean is explaining the meaning of the punctuation in ygo card effects. Nikachu seems to have at least twice thought and effect ended at a semicolon and was confused why the effect only consisted of a cost.
RE: Dragoons: "This is strictly a Yu-Gi-Oh! thing!"
bro's never played a Final Fantasy game in his life
Dragoons are what medium cavalry is called usually
It's kinda funny cause Mermail and Atlanteans have such strong synergy and I associate them together so much that I sometimes forget they aren't actually the same archetype. It's interesting to see an outsider perspective on that kinda stuff.
Funniest Yugioh typing vs. naming: Leviair the Sea Dragon is actually a wind sea serpent.
That’s always been hilarious to me
Basically the reason why most cards state their entire name in the card effects is because otherwise they couldn't limit the number of times the effect could be used.
Older archetype cards don't reference the card name, allowing you to repeat effects if you are able to get more that one of the same card.
These videos are so entertaining! Thank you for continuing to make them!!
🥳
"Like Blowing up a beached whale"
I just love the way he thinks about things. Anyways... YOOOOOOOOO! I can't believe I was offline for this one!!!! I finally get my wish. I kinda feel obligated to do the patreon now (don't hold me to that). At any rate, great video.
That Dragonlord thing was cool, very Yu-Gi-Oh like.
The discussion of synergy was the best part. I find that with these one game to another discussions, the worst is when it's just pure memes, the best is when it's actually discussing gameplay mechanics and strategy.
I won’t hold you to it!
Mermails always was and will always be my favorite deck. I remember i got top 8 at a tournament when dragon rulers and spellbooks were all other 7 decks. Mermails with 3 tidal was nuts
35:41 never introduce this man to pendulums.
We did a whole pendulum episode about a month ago lol
@@TheOneJameYT in that case, don't reintroduce him to them.
Definitely bring him back and have him do Ghiski and/or Nekroz.
Actually wait
Have him do Ghiski, Nekroz and Ice Barrier.
That could be fun as a thematic lore thing, which as a Magic player he would probably appreciate a lot.
If MTG players tries a yugioh tournament here. Nikachu will most likely play this deck given the fact he's already been thought how this deck work.
Great video!
One card suggestion for the future would be Lord of the Heavenly Prison. It is confusing art-wise, if you don't read the (convoluted) effect properly, you might overrate the card by a bit (you could think that this is able to use both effects in succession, e.g.). Also, it makes them ask themselves the question of value vs value of traps vs tempo
Already did that one in a previous video!
really enjoyed the finding the synergies part
This episode was really fun to watch! I have had an absolute blast watching your content. ❤
Awesome to hear!!
Well, the Next announced set is supposed to have support for a bunch of these archetypes, so I guess this is good timing.
Edit after having watched 1 minute of the vid: I'm stupid, and commented before watching the vid. Ignore what I say about covering the other attributes.
I'm kinda surprised that there wasn't Marincess in here. There's definitely enough WATER archetypes to do a sequel, if you come back to this (I'm assuming that you're gonna do one of each attribute, then revisit some attributes with missed archetypes). Some of the remaining ones are:
Marincess (Especially this)
Umi
Rikka
Icejade
Shark
Ghoti
Gishki
Ice Barrier
Nekroz
I hope I didn't mention any that were in previous vids, cause it would be embarrassing if Marincess was already in a vid and I forgot about it.
It would be great to do a sequel of this!
It would have been interesting to see archetypes that were released in the same time period and see if the guests can evaluate their standing against each other. (ex. DUEA Format, TOSS Format, etc.)
Nice that’s interesting
personally I think the White Aura monsters should say "treat it as a Tuna" instead of "treat it as a Tuner". as a bit.
Fur Hire can fuck with PSCT, why can't White Aura
(also big nostalgia from me with the Atlanteans, those were my deck of choice back when I was most into actual paper Yugioh with my brother (the structure was p new at the time) Though mostly in conjunction with ALO making Dragoons a 2k direct attacker and Poseidra a 1-tribute 3k beatstick lol, we didn't really have a concept of the kind of power level constructed yugioh was at by this point. our best XYZ was Utopia)
I would’ve loved that!
If he enjoyed the first arc he will love GX where they actually played by the rules for the most part :'D
Imagine almost giving away that Mermails and atlanteans work together very well on the first atlantean card
Let's goo. Featuring my favorite deck of all time. Funny enough, white aura whale was my going second board clear. Soo triple synergy?
For the most part, the difference between the Aqua/Fish/Sea Serpent typing usually has to do with a given characteristic. If it swims, but doesn't have gills, it's an Aqua. Think Yorishiro of the Aqua.
I just love nikachu episodes... He is a great entertainer.. 😊
Hope we get more episodes from him.. 😊
One suggestion I can make for this series is to show them what the combo of the decks looks like (after they rate all 3 at the end of course). Or if it's too long maybe just the "currently good" deck.
I would love to see their reactions at the combos the decks can pull off.
Also someone said this in another video but a "rate the endboard" video would also be cool. Something that shows actual yugioh gameplay. Although one of the funny things about this series is that the guests don''t know that much about yugioh so seeing too many gameplay might "ruin" it in the long run. I'd really love to see the reactions tho.
I discovered your channel today and have been binging these videos all day! Food stuff, can't wait to see more! :)
Love to hear it!
With how many videos Nikachu has been in I think it’s time to play a game, or if you wanted an “April fools” idea just show them rush duel cards. That could also just be a funny thing to do anyway.
Ghoti Nation bros they forgot about us. Also I guess you didnt show him UMI due the amount of cards.
I will bring ghoti to life in a future video for sure! And yes to the Umi question.
@@TheOneJameYT Can we just get a video where you ask a MTG player "which of these cards treated as "UMI" was meta for the longest time?"
@@wickederebus that would be a hilarious video
@@TheOneJameYTwhat’d be hilarious if you do is showing white aura whale as a sixth card for the Ghotis and just not saying anything about it not having the archetype name.
i wish you showed gothi one of the archetypes with the coolest looking artworks in the game.
That’s for the sequel!
"So you send the Sardine to summon the Sardine, then you summon the Sunfish and the Sardine, and the second Sardine is a tuner"
YGO everyone.
🤣🤣🤣
For wind attribute, speedroids.
if you showed him the kicker in Moulinglacia the Elemental Lord which is the perfect one-of in this deck he probably would've thought this deck we busted 😭
Haha 100%
Dragoon is also a class in Final Fantasy and a type of historical calvary unit.
At some point you’re gonna have to get Nikachu to actually play a game of yugioh with you, maybe play Goat or Edison to help him understand how one plays spell cards and summons monsters lol
Using the grave don't feel like an Water archetype, but is hell out of YuGiOh Archetype
suppose to represent the depths of the sea for many water archetypes, honest the word ‘graveyard’ for the discard pile is non-indicative these days and various areas functions more like allegories to specific settings instead like the hand is a liminal space for dangers, the pendulum scales is the angel and devil on your shoulders for valmonica, the extra deck is the bed for a sleepy little girl who dreams of (monstrous) sweet and treats, the monsters zones row is a boss and its minions for generaider in a typical boss battle and the opponent’s deck is their current hp for runick as an rpg where you atk the opponent directly and defend against their retaliation with the current skills at your disposal while you wait for them to come off cd
you know should have said: a tuner is a type of fish. you may have seen it on things like pizzas
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I'm still in the hospital :3
Hope you get out soon!
Ah mermails were my baby back in the day, all the way from the early builds with linde to crazy diva into prince into bam bam bam trish, elemental lord, rip 3 cards outa the opponets hand... it was the best
Awww I thought for sure you were gonna show him my froggy bois. Would've been hilarious to see his reaction to Toadaly Awesome lol.
Also off topic, I had this thought that whoever thought up the idea of merpeople were WILD. Like, imagine the OG furry back in the day pitching the idea of cryptids that were all super hot dudes and chicks up top and then nasty ass fish on the bottom 😅😂😂
Someone suggested Marincess as well in a different comment thread. Now I am imagining a round with Marincess, Frogs/Toads and Ghoti.
I need him on more simply to hear his thoughts on his anime watch along
Me too, that would be super interesting
I hope for more of this. maybe with Kaijus.
You should do this with field spells. Extra points if you can get him to say a card is nuts like giant ball park and another one is crap but saw a lot of play like dragon ravine
I love giant ballpark in my Yugioh cube
@@TheOneJameYT same here and it looks nuts on paper but when you realize your running so many bricks then it starts to suck. It’s like the ultimate noob trap. I love running it with a rescue rabbit style deck that just spams rank 4s lmfao
maybe you should teach people how to play some of these archetypes , that would be interesting...
Hey, it's the Dragon Balls guy!
I'm so sad that paleos didn't make an appearance
We can probably do paleo as a sequel
@TheOneJameYT I'd love to see a trap monster video. Specially with Joshua Schmidt playing so much paleos
spot the cynergy: fire king, phoenix of nemphys, yubel, hazy flame and rekindling for a fire special
the way people find these synergies is that yugioh players love labbing and playtesting more than they like playing the real game
Lmao so true
He really should watch vrains after the first series. It really does dumb down the game while still making good plays.
Noted!
I want to see you show them a replay of the deck and ask them if they think it’s good.