How to Know If You Are a Sub 5 Male
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- This video will discuss the frequent things that will happen to you if you are a sub 5 male. These include being ignored, harsh rejections, one word answers, people walking away mid conversation and prejection.
"The worst they can say is no" never heard a bigger lie in my life
Yeah, that's another bluepill saying people love to give. Realistically, no is definitely not the worst response you could get especially when you're unattractive lol
@@ascended266 Can you do a video on your hair transplant? Details, pricing, pain, etc.
@@sfrealestatedealmaker6001 Yep, absolutely man! I will definitely be making videos of my hair transplants in the future and hopefully guiding others to make more of an informed decision on whether they want to go down that route. Thanks for watching!
@@ascended266 Just found your channel, we share the same path it’s amazing. I was 281 lbs 2 years ago (I’m at 198 now) used minoxidil, hit the gym, cleaned up my diet by tracking macros, cleaned up my eyebrows, monthly facials, skin care regiment, salon haircuts 2X a month, new wardrobe (since huge weight loss).
I lost track of self improvement by working way too much on my biz and 100% neglected my body and appearance. I’m considering a light hair transplant as my hairline is slightly receding (I’m an older guy).
I went from being treated like I was a homeless leper by society to now someone women literally stare and smile at. Apparently I have solid bone/jaw/facial structure underneath all that fat I once had.
Keep your uploads going bro, it’s a great way to connect with other guys on the same journey as ours. 💪🏼 I’m in SF, Calif by the way. 👋🏼
True! They take it as a slap in the face if you even talk to them.
I was treated like this before puberty, now I get all the attention I want but I would NEVER forget how I was treated.
I can sort of relate as well. during my puberty phase which was quite awkward I was deemed unattractive by most people in my year group it was sort of a mix between me being dark skin which was just pure racism and me being overweight but now that I have grown up and lost facial fat and take care of myself better than I did before I don’t get treated nowhere near as bad anymore
That's awesome that you ascended. It feels good to be treated better but I always try to remember the rough times where I wasn't treated as well also.
@@ascended266 yeah I did improve my looks if I’m honest I’d put myself at a 5.5 out of 10 maybe 6 by simply losing body fat taking care of my beard and hairstyle as well as improving dress sense but I still feel like I have a long way to go particularly my physique since I’m still skinny fat. Also I can’t help but have regret to that I should’ve stuck up for myself especially since some of the people insulting or disrespecting me were sometimes way worse looking than me💀 but with that being said I don’t subscribe to the black pill but Lookism or pretty privilege is defo active in todays western society
I can relate as well. During puberty I was horrendous, didn't attract girls at all, although i could talk and maintain conversation to some of the girls from my class because they considered me funny, but I passed that phase in a desert. I grew up and things changed. I consider myself a improved normie, but now i passively attract a lot of girls, albeit being a manlet (which isn't such a big deal in my country, as the average male height is pretty small), but it's kinda of funny how treatment changed when I lost tons of weight i became overall more aesthetic pleasing as the time passed.
@thechosenone172 average height,7/10 stubbled out face, stocky-buff black guy...was treated like utter 🐕💩 at every period of my life where my weight and/or looks(hair, facial hair,and grooming) were lacking. Now, I get a decent amount of attention/interest, but I'll NEVER forget how they TREATED me...ever👀😒😒😒😒💯💯💯🧔🏾♂️
Women nowadays think that ANY male approach is "hitting on" her. And because of this, unfortunate sub 5 men will feel the wrath, because the woman will find it insulting that a "subpar" man hit on her. She thinks that HE thinks that they're on the same level. It's a harsh reality but it's true.
Yeah, true! When you couple that with the countless likes on IG, it's a recipe for thinking too highly of yourself.
I went for a day out once (by myself 'cos I'm one of the ugliest men alive). I'm still friendly and say hello to people. I'd gone to some place where there was a church, and you could pay a small fee to go up the stairs to to the top of the tower (past the bells) and on to the roof. The view up there was pretty incredible (I took some nice photos). I'd been there 5 minutes when two ladies came up (I'm guessing a mother and daughter, mature adults). To take in the view from all four sides you had to make your way around the outer side. As I was passing them I remarked what a nice view it was. The older woman looked at me like I was absolute shit and said "yes, our husbands would love it up here". I knew what she meant by that, and I felt like telling her I was just being friendly and that if I was out to pick up women, this would be the last place I would go and I wouldn't try to pick her up 'cos she was old and had saggy tits. I decided against it and just went "yeah" and then left and made my way back downstairs. I wish this was an isolated incident, but I don't even try picking up women because I'm well aware of what I am. But I can't even say hello without people thinking I'm some kind of turd.
I was coming out of the grocery store and noticed that a woman dropped her credit card in the parking lot. So I said excuse me. She replied she wasn't interested and has a boyfriend. I then told her that she dropped her credit card and she looked so embarrassed. It was too funny to me. As a woman let me talk first so you can know whats going on don't assume I'm trying to date you.
@@targetegrat It's a false premise all men always want sex from females. For the most of my life I didn't find women around me to be sexy enough, honestly. I think most women, besides tinder with makeup and stuff, are not that hot as they think they are. Hot are only 8-10, and it's the minority, one of 10 or even 20 women
Same thing in the gym they call them gym creeps
I am a sub 3. My life has been loveless. So I surrounded myself with pets. Now 55, I feel lucky I have come to terms with me.
Nice! I'm glad that you have come to terms with it.
Pets wont judge or betray you, you are totally alright
All girls who is normie only wants Chads and if an Sub5 just even lock at a chad girl they allmost be mad a u just if u only watch at them
@@lluispoloisern677that’s because pets don’t have a choice. You feed them so they stay with you. Owning pets is a form of Stockholm syndrome.
Can totally relate to this and and 55 myself but I’ve never really come to terms with it but just accept the way it is hoping that someday I’ll still meet someone but I doubt it if it hasn’t happened by now lol
This is the reality a lot of people live in, disrespect all the time
Yep! I feel for them. I lived this for a few years and it sucked big time.
backhanded compliments
gaslighting
only being kept around so they can feel better about themselves
there are so many cons being a subhuman
@@beganitdidnt6535 Ah yes! I can relate to all of these especially keeping you around so they can feel better about themselves while simultaneously ripping on you behind your back.
@@ascended266 leaving you out of things
making inside jokes only they understand
and of course making comments/jokes about you being single still and why u dont have a gf yet
flexing with their gfs and material items
always ruining/interrupting your moment to say something about themselves or their friends
everytime i was proud of something that took me a long time to get like my gaming pc my friend will be like " well my friend has a gtx 4090 with 2 4k monitors"
always making me feel like sht
not waiting for you to tie your shoes leaving you behind
never stand up for you if you make a mistake in public even it was an honest mistake
friends are supposed to stand up for eachother but instead they cave in to the normies and take their side
i can go on and on
@@beganitdidnt6535 Damn...I'm sorry, bro. I guess I'm lucky I've had some pretty good friends despite being a short guy or whatever.
Women cross the street when i'm walking in front of them i'm sub 3/10, they see me as an ogre that would spread a disease over them.
Sorry to hear that man! I know the feeling. It's brutal out there.
Cope. They don’t even notice your existence and never will
@@OT_OTDway damn someone has gotten 0 bitches
@@OT_OTDway brootal
Then work on yourself
I love this man, my entire 20s were exactly like this
Thanks man! It's brutal. I'm glad we share similar experiences so it takes the sting off of thinking "Is it just me that's getting this treatment?"
That's rough man
Mate can you talk about glasses
Mine too lol.
Attractive men are constantly being reminded of how handsome they are, in real life and in social networks. If that doesn't happen to you, it's probably over.
Definitely! Looks are very objective for the most part. People will remind of you about how attractive you are on a daily basis unless you don't leave the house.
nah most people think attractive people are stuck on themselves. people have told me i think im better than other people. i say no im not better just better looking. ahah
@balla4544 source: trust me bro! 🤡
Happens to me all the time. I guess it began!
What a load of shit, you guys love living in self loathing and delusional reality, if you're not a 10/10 or even a 6/10 it's not over
Based on your life experiences your tall height wasn't an advantage. It didn't negate your sub 5 looks. The consensus is women prefer tall men. Women tend to say "I like taller guys" but that might be a generic response. If they don't find you attractive enough your tall height may be irrelevant.
Regarding women ignoring you, that can apply to all men depending on the circumstances. If she's in a bad mood, on her period, moody etc she will ignore men. But it's more likely if she's finds you very unattractive.
Great points Ray! When you're very unattractive physically, height won't help you too much especially if you're very overweight. If they don't think your face is that attractive, your height won't really make a difference with them.
@raygorf735 height is relative based in the vvoman. ALSO, being tall doesn't mean chit if you're sub5 face, awkward,and horribly obese/stick boney body. An AVERAGE height Chad/chadlite/Tyrone is STILL attractive despite NOT having height... BONUS points if he's buff/ripped/jacked/powerfully built👀😒😒💯💯💪🏾🧔🏾♂️
Whereas there are some superficial women who are only fixated an a man's looks, I find that looks generally only constitute part of the equation of a man's attractiveness as far as women are concerned. Social dominance, intelligence, humour and practical capability are huge factors that can cause women to actually change their subconscious perception of how physically attractive a man is. I am 5'7, bald, and currently slightly overweight (though this fluctuates). I have been described by women as between a 5 and a 6 facially, but I seem to have very attractive eyes based on comments I receive. I've had 6 romantic partners within the last two years and don't seem to struggle now I understand that looks are only one factor in the more complex equation of what women find attractive. Now that I'm not defeating myself psychologically before even making a move, I'm finding comparative success. This is my experience for what it's worth.
That’s very true I’m a 6’5 trucel . Height without good looks is nothing . Height is a big plus if you’re good looking .
@jimjam8179 this is my experience as well, except I'm not bald. I am 5 8, and I am slightly overweight, my eyes are attractive I'm told as well and I have very natural eye lashes they are long for some. reason but I have very broad shoulders. L and also this as well for some reason, idk why. I think god is fucking playing with me, tbh.
I'm not tall enough, rich enough, famous enough, thuggish enough, successful enough, athletic enough, or whatever enough.
meh. I used to be upset about it - and then I came to the epiphany that whatever I do, whatever I have - it will never be enough. So wtf is the point? There isn't. It's liberating. I give them the same indifference and apathy they give me. All the time that I used to spend chasing girls, I switched it up to travel, gym, investments and foreign language. Eventually, I left the States.
meh.
That's awesome that you came to acceptance of your looks and your life. I go to the gym regularly and try to travel to places I want to see and it's helped my life tremendously. Thanks for watching!
If a wonan likes a man she will make it easy for him to talk to her.
Truth! Say it louder for the people in the back.
unfortunately most men are disney brained
and think chasing her is the way
if she not chasing you its over
I've literally had a couple women start the convo with me and she even kept it going when I didn't know what to say...or she will just stare at me while smiling and I can strike up a convo with her and usually it will go well. It's super rare for me (like once every couple of years), but it does happen sometimes (I imagine it happens a lot more for chads).
@@johnsampson6387 yeah same but i felt like i was their emotional tampon for the time being until chad texted them back or something
@@beganitdidnt6535 Yeah, probably. I didn't pursue it any further though. Didn't exchange contact info or anything. I was just sort of shocked that a woman would even bother talking to me when she didn't have to.
As a man, no matter what anyone says to you. No one will care and youre expected to bear it. No matter what anyone did to hurt me , i keep going, to hell with them. For my soul and pride i dont quit and keep going
great way to think!
@@balla4544 I am the walking definition of exactly a 5 I've overachieved and underachieved in all areas of life. A female friend of mine is on my heart, I came here to give people hope
@@balla4544 isn't pride a sin tho?
@@ataarono so you are suppose to walk around unconfident in yourself?
@@balla4544 not if you take pride in your humility :)
Man, I've experienced so many of these things and never even thought about them. Especially the first one - thought they were just in a hurry most times lol
Yep! All of these happen as a sub 5 male especially the first reason. It’s mostly subconscious. When you’re unattractive, most people don’t want to engage in conversation. Thanks for commenting!
@@AJ_Alliance Hope truly does delude a man lmao
Of cause you thought that. Most popular advice comes from popular people who just live in a complete different world than you and me… On another point, this positive inner voice has its perks since it keeps you going
For the geeks in this room: height is a multiplier, not a base. If you're 6 foot 2, (RTX 4090 gfx card) but you have a sub 5 face (your CPU is slow), you will still be experiencing stuttering and framerate issues in your game (you will still be getting rejected). However, if your CPU meets a certain base standard where the GPU can take over (you have a 6/10 face) then the height is gonna act into a looks multiplier where you might end up an 8 or even a 9 in the girl's eyes. However, if you're a 4/10 in the face and are 6 foot 2, you're still gonna be 4/10 to her, because your height cannot shine through when your face is unkissable. But a 6/10 face can bump up to 8/10 when you have good height. That's how height is factored into looks. It's a multiplier given a certain base. If that base is missing, no amount of height is gonna multiply by Zero to give you a net positive.
When height hits a certain lower point, it becomes a divider 😂
You know whats funny. People villainize the Black Pill and labelling it Women Hate when it is the exact opposite
Before I was blue pilled, I did everything Disney and Feminists told me to do. Be confident, be funny, be smart and Just Shower bro
Nothing worked and I would always get brutal rejections. One girl would just scream "Just fvck off" another girl once said as I walk past "Geeze I hate that guy, he stinks"
A couple of rejections later, I discovered the black pill and something amazing happened.
I found peace and calm.
I understood why women treated me so badly and honestly I don't blame them. They are just doing whats best for them.
The more I took the black pill the more calm I became. I stopped being angry at women and I flat out stopped approaching them. Its hard to explain but the way I walk now is that I put on headphones and I keep my eyes forward and I definitely avoid eye contact. When I'm in public transport and I see an open seat next to a pretty woman, I just opt to stand (in fact last year that happened and the woman breathed a sigh of relief). When I do grocery shopping I make sure to choose a male clerk. Honestly I can't wait for self check out.
The black pill has allowed me to focus on my studies and hobbies.
Haha "just shower bro!" I'm glad you found peace and calmness in the blackpill. I found the same thing. When I was younger, I thought something was wrong with me whenever I got mistreated or rejected. But now looking back, I realize it was mostly looks and a few other factors but mostly looks. I'm glad you found time to focus on your hobbies!
self check out for peace of mind
I've been on dating sites on and off for some years. I'm 40, and I can tell the best years were when I was off searching for women, and just did stuff I really liked. Sports, learning some hobbies, education, and levelling up.
Dating sites did me some fun, but it was all edgy and half-unpleasant, because how women treated me, calling me ugly right in the face, and still sleeping with me (wtf).
Because women are not all joy and happiness, even if you're a chad. Just look at many famous people, and what they been through. For example, Johny Depp with Amber, who robbed and destroyed his career.
What you did is independence, and there are spiritual practices, which do the same - completely cut all the wires of the outer world. When you put all your energy inside, rather than outside, you can become really powerful.
I think avoiding women is right, I do the same, though I'm closer to normie. I still find that until you treat them neutrally, everything is fine, but when I try some game... fck it. I get despicable treatment I honestly tired of. As women is not something you can control, you can control what you want from them in your particular situation, and it can be different scenarios, which will be better than trying to live a chad's life, which is impossible, but is projected through all mass media
Good for you , bro ...but honestly many incels ( me included ) find it difficult and verry verry mentally draining to come out of brainwashing by feminist media over the years abd the cultural re - enforcement that they have undegone , plus there are emotional blackmail by females in your family , trying to fuck up your mental health by constantly bringing out the topic of romance and love everytime they meet ...
Yeah i dont get that shit either.. its simply us men calling the dating scene for what it is..
I remember going from glasses to contact lenses completely changed my life.
Yeah, contacts can make a big difference!
I recall going from bald to wearing a hairpiece and things got better .
I'd say I'm 5 or 6/10. I've had a few relationships and hookups but long droughts as well. Now in my early thirties, I'm starting to bald, and being 5'8 doesn't help. To avoid becoming a sub five, I'm going in for a hair transplant. I've also started wearing lifts and noticed women treat me differently when I do. The dating market is brutal out there.
Go for it man! I can say the 2 hair transplants I had improved every aspect of my life. Lifts can be a god send. I don't wear them often but I've noticed the same thing. When I wear them out to a bar or to an event, I definitely noticed the increased attraction.
What is the difference in treatment you've noticed? I'm 5'6" and also balding in my early 30s but I've basically given up so I don't bother with transplants or finasteride or wigs or lifts or anything. I've never had any relationships or hookups so it feels kinda pointless to looksmaxx (my only looksmaxx is dieting to prevent fatassmaxxing).
@@johnsampson6387 I notice women were more likely to talk to me a few years ago when I had more hair, and are more likely to talk to me now when I wear a hat, so I think hair makes a difference. I think pretty much any man will look better with more hair. Not sure what your hair situation is, I'd start with finesteride and minoxidil. But if you hair loss is more advanced, I'd go for the hair transplant if you can afford it. As for heightmaxxing, lifts are pretty cheap and I think you'll notice a difference in how people treat you, it's totally worth it. I dietmaxx as well to get lean. I think with hair, increased height, and low body fat, you could definitely improve your looks. And even if you can't get a woman, at least you feel better looking at yourself in the mirror and people will treat you better in general.
@@nogoodusernames100 I get you, but I can't really be bothered. I was pretty much invisible anyways even when I was at my peak looks level (then again, I've never tried lifts). I've wondered before if my life would be significantly different if I was over 6 feet tall.
What's the longest you've gone no fap no PMO un ironically ?
feel ya, glad u ascended bro 💙
Thanks Vincent! I'm glad for you as well, living as a sub 5 male is brutal and ascending has been great.
@@ascended266 The real pain is when you put in the work to ascend, but still get the results of a sub 5.
The good part is that if you don't have any severe facial or body deformation, you can still work on yourself, especially if you're young.
And date girls from your league, it's another pro tip I give to you and try to get girls in real life, not on Tinder or any dating apps.
These guys obsessing over appearance are hurting themselves after a point. It’s always a good thing to exercise and take care of your body but to hyper focus on different
Things like these guys go only hurts your self confidence. These guys then go into a conversation with a woman insecure and she can sense that from a mile away. She rejects him and he blames it on his looks lol.. so many of these guys just don’t know how read women and how to talk to and
Engage with them . Looks so matter but they aren’t everything
@@brianmeen2158 yea, but a good look is like a good resume for a job, you will be considered, but you still need to make a good impression, this also applies in dating, a good look is only catching a woman's attention, but is not enough.
And a good look gives you more options tbh
Blackpill literally kills your confidence making things worse@@brianmeen2158Im not ugly nor pretty and the only times I hit on a woman is just when im confident and talk to her like i dont care whyt she thinks
This is where I’m confused because I’ve had one night stands with decently attractive women but also have had brutal rejections on first dates.
I think the sole fact that you have had one night stands with decently attractive women probably puts you in at least the high tier normie range. Someone is not going to have a one night stand with you if they don't find you physically appealing.
In terms of being rejected on first dates, I would need more context. With dating apps, some women are going on multiple dates a week so you're being compared to all of her options. She may have gone on a date with a better looking guy the previous night and you don't stack up to him. You alsomay look slightly different in real life as you do in our photos, that could be part of it or you could have been dealing with someone who was unstable.
If you're going on a date, she had enough initial attraction to you to show up. In that case, It could be something that you said that put her off. Thanks for watching man!
Im bold, i go in and ask if she wants to smash.. Sometimes it works, sometimes i get called dumb pervert, sometimes they say like "with you??? No thanks eww" 🤣🤣
There's another subject that is not talked about how women operate a certain time of the month will be attracted to different types of males they also get an itch sometimes they have to scratch and we'll grab a convenient dude at a bar or nightclub and give him the business I've seen it with my own two eyes
(Will)
@@emgex Haha sometimes fortune favors the bold if you meet the looks threshold! Good for you man!
I've had it where... being ignored by a woman, but not only that... other people around you (both men and women) will make fun of you; indirectly of course. I've had this happen on more than one occasion. Better to just stay home than go out. Bars, nightclubs, parties, concerts, etc. are all a waste of time if you're a loner incel loser as myself. Now I just drink alone and stay home. Seriously... phuk this world. lol
Yeah, it can definitely be brutal going to bars and nightclubs as a sub 5 man. I've been there.
😂😂😂
Never car what other people think. I would maintain health as much as possible. I have bigger problems to wory about then dating but I find it all entertaining.
Nightclubs are a massive waste of time and especially money for not judt sub 5 guys, but really Sub 8 or even 9 guys.
They are playgrounds for Chad, that's all there is to it.
So happy that you were able to bounce back from this stuff, man. You’re an inspiration to us all. I mean that. When I wasn’t confident in myself, I would’ve never had the balls to cold approach women like that. Honestly, I still don’t have the balls to cold approach women. I wait for hella strong choosing signals first 😂
Thanks man! Yeah, strong choosing signals never lie.
Never expect validation from anyone and focus on yourself is the best way to be happy . There is no genuine love and people are with you by interest : money, genes ...that's the reality of life ...
what would be genuine love exactly? can you even define it?
@ataarono they're not there for you, they're there because you have something to offer. Once all of it goes, they do too.
@@evengraintech1397 thats the definition?
@ataarono No sorry, genuine love would be the exact opposite of what I said. Still sticking around in your lowest, regardless of the fact that you don't have as much to offer.
@@evengraintech1397 yes that makes sense, however you should also imagine all the different ways such a kind of love could turn even more depressing than the alternatives.
1-Just think of the worst imagineable ways someone loving another like that could be abused or even tortured.
2-then reverse it and think of the worst ways, such love could lead to deeply depraved action (possessiveness)
The ability to let go may not be so bad after all
One of the of the way to keep your dignity when sub5 is to dart out of conversation first and never initiate one. If a girl initiates one its because she is bored and you are in the area do small talk not to be rude but always leave women hanging cause they will when others enter.
I hear you there. I have noticed that older women tend to strike up small talk when they are bored and you just happen to be there. They are not attracted to you as you're sub 5 but they are just super bored and might see you as someone they can rant to.
This is not a new phenomenon, however, it is a fast-growing issue. When I was in college in the early 80s, I got a part-time student job at my university with our gymnasium complex. About 50 or so students - half guys and half girls were brought together for orientation in the auditorium. About 5 guys were tall and really handsome. The others were average to below average, like me. I could hear a group of girls sitting behind me talking about who they were interested in. Of course, it was the few tall and handsome guys. All of us who worked in the building knew each other, and socialized with each other a lot as we got to know each other. Of course the top five guys had their way with about half of the girls who worked there. And many of the girls still would only date the tall and handsome guys. I was "friend-zoned" by a lot of the girls who worked there, and they would all talk about the handsome guys as if they had a chance to be girlfriend material. I got so tired of hearing these delusional girls talk, I would tell them honestly that the tall handsome dudes like lots of girls, and don't want them as a girlfriend. I was no longer "friend-zoned" because I was no longer their "friends". They could not take the real truth. This is like a small lab experiment of what is going on in a MUCH GREATER scale because social media has expanded a small group of people (like the 50 discussed) to thousands of people. I don't see this getting any better for sub 5 guys.
It's hard to tell whether or not I'm - or + 5 because dudes will say "looking good" and women will say stuff like "you have a great smile" but i feel like they are lying to be nice, but on the other hand i can't shake the feeling I'm just socially stunted af.
Yeah, sometimes it can be hard to tell where you fall on the looks scale. Most people won't tell you the hard truth about your looks and will tell you things like "You look great" and "You have a nice smile" to be nice and sometimes spare your feelings. Other times, they are saying those things genuinely.
Listening to your experience which also happened to me a long time ago, I'm truly sad to hear them...Well,the main thing is take a really good care about yourself... Don't even care about anybody else but yourself....🙂🙂!!
I've always been rejected and never had a one night stand, as a matter of fact I've never been with any women in my life and now I'm over 50. I guess I must be a Sub5, I always thought it was my fault but I guess this is my fault for being a Sub5 I guess.........
Sorry to hear Eko! It's basic biology at the end of the day. Thanks for watching!
Thats the spirit...
As a woman, u got to act confident. Good luck!
@@caterinadelgalles8783 BS. Confidence comes with success 🙄 Confidence without knowing what you're doing is called arrogance, and only stupid people won't notice it.
As a woman, you want confidence, because it means that he's good at seduction. Meaning he has a lot of experience. Of course if he then plays with you, it's because men are assholes, never because of your choices.
Exactly like if us men picked only ultra attractive girls with body counts in the thousands, then to complain that "women are just treating us like another body".
Tbh the flat NO's are one of the more effective ways to let you know you need to level up. Pacifying the issue with hints or cues only makes it worse because the first step to solving a problem is looking it straight in the eye. It would be awesome if some girls would actually sit down and not be rude or filter but let you know exactly why you're being rejected.
Yeah, I definitely respect women and just people in general that are honest and tell the cold hard truth sometimes. Thanks for watching!
Yep pleasant lies are feminine
You know you are a Sub 5 when even after you lose all the weight, even after you do sports and try to approach, people still look at you like you are some kind of bad joke.
The only difference is that now people talk sht about me behind my back instead of going right up to me.
Another truecel trait is, when every guy in your college finds a dancing partner for winter ball and ur the only one who is single and watches everyone else dance to slow music.
Most alcohol I've ever had in my entire life, just to cope with the sadness of it all.
That night literally killed off any type of self esteem or self respect. I would literally be a more confident and open person if I had spent the last year in a basement.
Clown world.
Glad you could escape the inceldom, the sheer hate I now feel whenever someone tells me "that all is fair in love and war" and "I'll find the one" is unbearable to the point where I broke off any friendships because people were bringing it up and rubbing further salt into open wounds.
Damn man, sorry you had to go through that! At some point, I'd like to have a series called "Slapped by the blackpill" where people can come on and share a story of a difficult experience that they went through.. "I'll find the one" is just a Disney phrase that your parents will tell you to make you feel better. Thanks for watching man!
Oh shit sorry about that man, I thought everyone(with no big deformities) become attractive when losing weight. I lost around 60kgs weight over the years
I've had similar experiences, but I'm a skinny nice guy, which appears to be a particularly bad combination. try not to let it get you down (this can be extremely difficult at times). You can still enjoy life, but just in a different way. Find a hobby or something to be passionate about. Many things can be done alone. I still go out to places and enjoy the outdoors and things, and go to restaurants by myself (this can feel strange the first few times, take a book or magazine). I was the only person in college not to go to the ball, as nobody wanted to go with me. You're not the only one my friend, I hope you find some peace in the world and with yourself.
Dude, I'm right there with you. I used to be super skinny, shy, unconfident and introverted, and obviously did terribly with women. I spent YEARS dedicated to transforming myself into a guy with a physique like Thor, and successfully did so. This also made my face a lot more attractive as I now have a strong jawline and visible cheekbones. Aside from the physical changes, I'm now leagues more confident, charismatic, outgoing and social than I was before.
Yet... I do no better with girls. Sure they smile, giggle, make eye contact and even do the thing where they glance between my eyes and lips, but any time I show interest, they do a complete 180 and avoid me like the plague.
It doesn't help that whenever I go out, I get looks, stares and even double takes. FFS, I've ran into girls coming into or out of a store where we surprised each other and seen them visibly mouth "wow" as they involuntarily check me out head to toe.
Doing terribly with women when you're unattractive and unconfident is one thing. But doing terribly with women after you've successfully become the embodiment of what women should be drooling over is just plain cruel. Add to it the fact that every day you see average AF guys with incredibly hot girls, or see girls that rejected you with guys several numbers below you, and it's almost too much to take sometimes.
@raees2473 thats just dumb. Millions of skinny ugly guys are truecels
Believe me i know i am sub for many years now but i also know there is NOTHING i can do to change that.
The only thing i can do is to do whatever i can to move forward with the consequences as well as the side effects and the collateral damages this has of course.
That's a positive mindset to have. There are things you can do to improve your appearance but sometimes accepting certain things for how they are is what's healthiest. Thanks for watching!
malik willis top 10 next year
Spartan Mindset💪🏾
Chadlite always had a baseline level of confidence. Few repulsive male 3’s will roll up on a girl he thinks is an 8. A 5 point jump is impressive. Many guys can’t manage 2 and feel “lucky” if they pull off 1
Yeah, I always had a decent level of confidence although it definitely fluctuated from time to time.
I don't know man, I see lots of 4-6 guys who are with absolute stunners, I'm talking 8-9's. Hell, just today a girl at my gym who rejected me a while back is now with one of those guys. He's a 4, and she's a hard 9.
I'm not a 9, but I'm easily an 8 just based off my physique and face alone. She legit rejected a guy with a physique like Thor and a face like Colin Farrell (the most common comparison I get), for a guy with an average body and a below average face.
@@fuzzypanda1684she most likely went for the personality that she liked. Is her man confident? Is he smiley?
I disagree. Many Chad-lite were sub-5 at the beginning of puberty, they started low and got better looking as they aged, but its often too late since they've endured their share of feeling ugly and being rejected before getting better looking. It takes a long time to increase their confidence from where they started.
Im 6'2" and handsome but have PTSD and anxiety that is literally crippling. I get choosing signals everywhere I go... but never approach. Never. I often wish I was invisible like a sub 5 because the feeling of trifecta of "damn she was fine", "she wanted me to say something", and "I just ignored her like I always do" is incredibly depressing. All it takes is one trip to a Walgreens or something to ruin my day.
Try putting yourself out there in little ways. I struggled with this after losing weight too. I had to remind myself that I'm not overweight anymore. If you're 6'2 and good looking, most girls will be open to conversation.
I'm 6'2 as well but not handsome, I get no attention from women sadly. Wanna trade? 😂
I am 6'3, big and muscular but ugly and bald. Height doesn't matter that much when you are ugly tbh and I also have a s dick which likely makes me a sub 3 xD
You could fix those issues with therapy. Trust me you don't want to be a sub5. The only only thing that's stopping me from ropemaxxing is the fear of ending up in eternal damnation. I was conceived and then it was over. It never began for me.
Try talking to waitress bro
I am a woman and I avoid all women who are this shallow. I subscribed to support you ❤
isn't that also a bit shallow?
It’s biological
Thank you Caterina :) you're a gem
I am deathly afraid to approach women because of rejection. I just wait for a chance for them to approach me. This is how I met my girlfriends and wife.
Guys, you know if you are Sub5 or not you just need to stop lying to yourself.
Thanks for a tip
I am definitely a sub5, maybe sub3, because like you I've faced rejection and got my existence being ignored, but also never got into any sort of relationships with opposite gender. Not in HS, not in uni and now I am just as invisible as I never existed in the first place
At least now I know that's the end
Over
Girls always approach chads for their seeds.
Thanks for watching Nurtay!
As a fellow sub4, I understand 👍
Plenty of us out here Nurtay. I remember in my teens and early twenties going to the cinema alone, and I would see these guys with their girlfriends holding hands and having a good time. I used to wonder "what must that be like?". I will never know how it feels to have experienced that at that age. I've no clue if that's a good or a bad thing. But I take comfort in knowing I'm not the only one.
@@nelsonhibbert5267 hey same. I fell in love with the John Wick series after randomly going to the cinema alone (my friends were all in relationships or busy at the time) and randomly choosing a movie to watch which happened to be John Wick. Have been going to see every John Wick release alone now. Im in my 30's and till today I would do window shopping, eat ice cream, watch movies, eat at restaurants alone. Im used to it. Although sometimes it does hurt seeing men with families or kids younger than me with a significant other. I will never experience love from a woman or understand how it feels. It is what it is.
While I've always judged myself a 4 or a 5 but I've either never experienced summary rejection on this scale.
Consider yourself lucky! Lol
What I've come to learn from your videos is that looks do matter and it's never too late to start improving. That bullshit of "don't be superficial" is way overdue. One can cultivate looks, character, charisma and wisdom and not be reduced to either of those traits.
This is true, but even when you commit yourself to improving your looks, charisma and confidence, there is a chance that you will still experience the same results as you did before. The chance is very small, but it's there.
And trust me, failing with girls when you're not in shape, not attractive, have no confidence and no charisma is much easier to accept than failing with girls when you have a physique like Thor, are very attractive, and have lots of confidence and charisma.
It's the hope that kills you.
I'm probably an 8, but I have never had the confidence to do the things you've done because I have very bad social anxiety. You probably didn't expect anyone in the comments to say this but I was envious listening to your experiences because I didn't even have the ability to try. My life has been really terrible, not because I've been rejected, but because I couldn't even try.
I'm really impressed by how much confidence you had, dating in high school, chatting with girls after class and at bars. Your voice sounds very confident for someone who claims he was sub-5.
A woman will give you her eyes,if she’s attracted. “They look up at you.”
Otherwise,she’ll avoid you altogether. I’ve experienced both.
Yep! I've experienced both as well. One is great feeling and the other is brutal. Thanks for watching!
They always said that if a female is blushing and looking down that they like you but there just shy but it could also mean that they feel awkward you or there uncomfortable
Yeah, both can be true. Typically if they are looking down and blushing, they will look back up at you and smile and engage in banter. If they look down and not engage or ask any questions, she is not.
Yea it happens to me because my eyes are lifeless. Close friends said I was intimidating even. It’s how I naturally look
one of the hugest game changers for me anyway was when i got to the level of being able to speak every thought how i wanted to express it and by that time i had enough vocabulary and more to say whatever i thought clearly and understandably. i never had to feel frustrated from there trying to get people to understand and vice versa what i would say when i knew also to scale back, simplify the words and whoever you talked to understood you perfect. when you also want to be clear how you're speaking to another, that also sharpens your ability to listen and try to get what that person is trying to say as well. that's an underrated skill and it could change many of these cases for the better, imo.
What hits me the hardest is that at times this guys voice starts to sound like he´s about to cry while telling the story. Like he´s still not really over it, despite talking about having leveled up in that regard. This hits me hard because it´s the same for me I guess. I was the guy that had women change the lanes of the road just to avoid walking past me or change their seat because I took the one beside them, not even starting to talk about the other stuff you mentioned, most of the time I didn´t even get there tbh. And now I seem to have leveled up too since about 6 months or something (lost 50kg of weight, hit the gym for a 1 1/2 to 2 hours workout every day for the last 6 months), I still can´t really believe it at all. After having women change lanes in the street so they don´t have to get to close to me, I can´t believe that now (really beautiful) girls 10 years younger than myself started to throw themselves at me, my mind always tries to find something else that they could possibly want from me (and mostly my mind will find something else, like " very aggressive marketing" for the girls that work at the gym). We might have leveled up our looks and bodys, but our minds somehow are still sub5s. 😅
yeah i feel you i was maybe a 5/10 in high school for the most part but with gym and maturing and growing into my looks as well as the fact that ive grown to be 6'4 has meant im maybe a 7 or 8 in my second year of college means that i get a decent amount of female attention but my mindset hasnt evolved from when i was less attractive
@1:11 I know this guy. You nailed it, he belongs in this video.
Haha wait, you know this guy in real life?
Yes I worked with him for 3 years
If you're a sub5 male you're in the territory where approaching women actually becomes dangerous for the male. I can speak from experience. Being a sub5 male is very difficult place to be.
I'm not a sub 5, I'm a solid 8 and women do like me but I just can't approach them anymore. I speak my mind so freely and treat every women like I'm talking to a man and that gets me in trouble ALOT. Anyway already been falsely accused and had rumors made about me which I heard through the grapevine. I grew up with only female friends them after puberty I changed as every dude does. I will never ever approach a woman again even if they like me a lot, I just won't risk it. The Me too movement ruined it cause I would just say anything that came to mind and women would laugh but now I would prefer not to talk to anyone. I'm done with people in general
I logged in just to say this lad, dont get to caught up by sub 5 and all the nonsence. I have felt all these crushing things and girls can just be brutal in general. You have my exact outlook and u observe the situation and actually look from the girls perspectives. Smart man and it worked for me. U will attract a nice girl If u havent already peace.
Edit: Ya u did it again. Good man empathy is a strong tool to help us understand.
I know dateing is fucked atm but guys do also set a bad standerds and there guards are up for all dudes.
I face it before. It's hurt, very hurt. Even I thinking about ,"Am I doing a very bad crime before?"
My case is a weird one! I recently moved to portugal. My success rate on getting phone numbers after cold approaching is around 80% but they almost never reply when i text them. Only one has replied so far.
Getting some friendly small talk and a phone number from a woman doesn't tend to mean much nowadays, unfortunately.
@@johnsampson6387 that’s what I’ve noticed. The game is changing faster to the worse
I think it's normal to turn about 10 phone numbers into 1 solid date that meets up.
Thays just them being polite. Also, who knows if the number is good. Just give YOUR number.
For some of us it's more like "The best she can say is no."
“But it’s all about confidence bro “ - good looking people that have no idea.
This explains why iam the most funniest guy in the room but always been ignored
"Women love a guy that can make them laugh." Haha thanks for watching!
Jestermaxing
Dont jestermaxx
@@KohzmikYT I second this.
If you are beautiful you are already funny
I totally get it, it happened to me several time, but I'm actually in a band🎸 when the females find that out their attitude changes and become more polite to me....🤷🏽
STAGE FX is real af
Ah very nice! I have a buddy of mine that is a musician and has told me that women perk up when they find out.
I'm sure glad to hear that you were able to level up your looks. This is not just good for you, but for everyone. Not all of us can have our flaws corrected, sadly. Cosmetic medicine keeps pushing the boundaries of what can be corrected and improved, but not fast enough for my lifetime. oh well.
Cosmetic is not helping, it's just pushing the average up. Look at South Korea. If you lived there, you'd probably reject girls who are an 8 in the US
(but the reality is that so much is fake in them, from their modified body, the fashion that creates shapes that don't exist, to what they say think and how they make you feel, that you may actually be right in thinking that she's not good enough to date).
That's also why looksmaxing is not actually good for the society overall IMHO. It just puts more focus on the appearance, and increases the average efforts that men need to put on that, instead of human decency, personal achievement, happiness, etc. and that's how you get guys dating hot girls who are trash, and vice versa.
Still waiting for the details about your ascension and what changed about your personal/social life.
Absolutely! I will be making those videos in the near future. I'll be very busy with work the next couple of weeks but they are coming! Thanks for watching!
Was extremely overweight and sub5 of course. Was chasing after a friend of my friends and respectfully made my intentions clear with her and then respect her no, not bothering her again.
Came across with her during a birthday party of a friend’s wife and our only interaction was me waiving back when she waived as she was sitting on the lap of a guy she just met.
She couldn’t handle me being classy and respectful.
Fast forward to two drinks later, she accused me of being a p-file when I told to both my married friends that their child is a blessing from god and will be as beautiful as they both are. They knew that I value family and children but the beach apparently gathered her friends in order to frame me as such a person.
Now we’re cool with my friends but then, before the husband and friend of mine discovered what was done, he wanted to cl1p me, and of course I understand as it would be what I’d do if somebody touches or has the intention to touch any non adult.
So yeah. Saying no is the BEST and BLESSED scenario if you are sub5.
Your problem in the beginning was in both of those examples, you approached those girls from behind. Do not do that. I've done it before too and the girl looked at me like I was crazy.
Lol let's be honest, so if he approached them from front properly, looking like Danny devito with insane confidence, those women would have had sex with him is that right?
Or say he was a model looking guy approached them from behind super awkward, who gets the girl in this scenario? If a woman doesnt find you attractive, and she finds you ugly, you can approach her super correctly, confidently, won't do shit for that guy.
Brutal how hard can it be to cope with these situations as a sub 5, these situations might be a good reason to stay Locked up in the basement for many guys
How about if cashiers, barista, employees where their job is to smile, make eye contact and be nice to you. Do you guys still get smiles, eye contact or what happens? Curious as to what happens with sub 5s
When I was very overweight and bald, cashiers would barely look at me and almost never smile. That was my overall experience.
I tend not to go along with ratings charts because looks are subjective there are people who physically are not very much to look at but they still are able to find partners I think when it comes to dating you have to practical with your choices taking into consideration what you were given/have
Your old that’s why old women are in it for money
I dont think im a sub 5. Because ive never had any of that happen to me. All i get are soft rejections tbh. Normally they are all smiley and bubbly when i ask them. Then ghost me when i follow up. They arent disgusted by me. But they are far from interested in me. In fact, there was this one girl that tried to use me as a tutor or something in Calc 3 in college. She was absolutely my type. Easy 7 /10 Blonde, blue eyes, bubbly personality, and some tig ol bitties and she was going to be a mechanical engineer like me. But she must have thought i was really smart or something, because we would always talk after class and even have hour long study sessions before every class. I really thought she was interested in me, so i asked her on a date a week or so before grades came in. But got a harsh, "I think we should just be friends from her." Whats funny though, she didnt even get anything out of me. She still failed the class. And i passed it. XD
Ahh the good ol' friendzone line! Lol
You are likely in the ofyy doofy category
@@Fogwell94 Maybe. But I'm not a simp, so it doesn't line up. Maybe if I was a true offy doofy, I would get more bitches. Or at least a pitty hand job ffs.
Lol just learn game and you'll do better, from your description you clearly aren't unattractive, just improve on your game and probably your confidence
@antony6799 Yah. Wheat Waffles rated me a 5/10 but said I had potential for a 6 or 7 if i took better photos, my acne wasnt flairing up, and the lighting wasnt so shit. I took some real shit photos tbh. Because i dont like taking pictures of myself. I dont like seeing my own face. But other people dont seem to mind.You are right of course about confidence and game. I always have people ask who the lucky lady is, but when I tell them I've never had a girlfriend or anything, they are shocked. I guess, they think it's shocking for someone who has a decent build, 5ft 11 dark hair, blue eyes to never have had a girlfriend. But I'm just too shy.
I feel for guys who get treated like this, I don’t think this has ever happened to me before. I didn’t realize how privileged I am in the looks department
I'm planning on approaching 1000 women starting next week. I'll keep a journal of my experiences and use this video to see how many of these rejections I personally experience.
PUA Roaches are cheering you on.
Hey I wanna do the same. Do you wanna collaborate via discord?
Good luck David! Give us an update on how it goes. I remember my daygame pickup days lol had some success, some failure.
Do you have some money saved for a potential bail out when they will call blue simps on you for harassment?
so how did it go
Glad you did the transplant and lost weight, and can now Tell this stories Just knowing It IS what It IS. Women deal the Man in front of them, we are the ones that deal with "masculinity" day after day. Sheers!
Thanks man! Yes, it definitely helps having experienced both sides of the looks coin. Cheers!
Also, 1 of the biggest things is he got his facial hair game on point
Brutally Over When Beckies and Stacies give the Anime Death Stare @4:26
"Just be confident bro and hit the gym." Haha for sure! Thanks for watching man!
How to Know if you are a Sub 5 male: She will always ignore you and she will always say "No" to You.
TRUTH
Can you make a video on how to know if you are attractive male?
Yes! I will be making a video on this in the next week or so.
I wish we could turn around every gender for just one day so they know what it feels like to get rejected how they reject us. Theyve called me a creep, made me feel horrible, made me cry
And I'm like a 7 out of 10 or a bit more in real life
A 7/10 translated to female gaze is like a 5 or a 4. Imagine the rest of us sub5s. Absolutely brutal.
@@Suhrvivor solution seems to be go get a wife in another country
@@profound369 That's just betabux + JBW, also you'll have to either live in a shithole country or move back, bring her and get divorce-graped.
I hear ya man! Being a 7/10 is a great place to be though. Most men are nowhere near that range so you have that going for you.
@@profound369 foreign ppl kick ass theyre way friendlier and not all bitter like Americans
That's wierd. After I looksmaxxed, I was on my way home and I noticed a girl from my uni at a bus stop. I went up to her to say hi and potentially make a new friend or maybe ons later down the road. I shook her hand, we had a decent convo. She was kinda shy, but when I started talking she kinda was smiling and trying to hide her smile or whatever. Next time I saw her at uni I went up again, asked her what's up and all that. We were talking for 20 seconds maybe, then she saw her friend and darted from me to her. And I'm not that bad looking dude, judging by how women treat me and people in general I'd say I fall anywhere from a 6 to a 7.5. So that interaction left me pretty confused
Hmm yeah that's interesting. It's possible that she could have been being friendly in that initial interaction and wasn't very interested. She may have had slight interest but nothing too substantial. When you went up the second time, she may have darted away because she didn't want to get sucked into another conversation or she may have been in a rush the second time, who knows.
@iamtakingapiss7916 either 1 or these 2 things
1) you came off weird, awkward,and have ZERO Convo skills.
2) you're a 7-7.5/10 so your looks made her VERY nervous and intimidated so she HAD TO find some excuse to escape your vicinity bc again you're too good looking in her mind bc she's VERY insecure. I'm a solid 7-8/10(facewise) Tyrone and I've had this effect on some 🐦 too,homie.🤔💯💯💯💪🏾🧔🏾♂️
@@jackiechun5817less go tyrone
Why shake her hand? Thats odd and businesslike. Also, she just wasn't interested. Forget guys saying, "She was intimidated". With future girls, you chat 5 minutes then give your number. That's it. She'll contact if interested, and dont approach if you gave number but she never contacted you. Keep moving.
@@GUITARTIME2024Bs. I talk to a variety of women and never ask for their phone number. I do not need dates or se*.
Sub 5 life sucks man 😢 when it comes to dating this guy sounds like he’s about to cry I’ve been rejected to girls as a teenager and woman in my 20s this video just makes me feel sad but true
Thanks for watching man! Yeah, it was definitely brutal to go through these experiences but I can look back with a humorous lense.
@@ascended266Oh so it’s you late reply and apologize for late notice, you most be a trucel man if you’ve joined the Incel community
Tapping people on the shoulder u don’t know is weird champ
Brutal! "Worst she can say is no" 🙄
Haha brutal!
Key for sub 5’s is to accept and improve. Chadlite went from a repulsive 3 to a 7 to 8. I seen male 4’s improve to 7. Every sub 5 could use a superficial friend or two to keep the sub 5 grounded. Worst thing a sub 5 can do is become delusional then self-psychotherapy with bollocks like LOOKS DONT MATTER. Being fixed in that mindset is a sub 5 life sentence
Lol
Yeah, some people have more potential than others to looksmaxx. Some sub 5's with height and good underlying bone structure can lose weight and do things like get hair transplants to really ascend but others can only improve so much.
Delusional Xd. Doesn't matter what you do bruh your genetics determine who you can fuck.
I’m bald but I have a good head shape and facial hair the baldness doesn’t affect me
It's not about "not finding appealing physically". It's about finding you lower status. You could be bald, fat, with nose hair, and still they'd made a queue if you had high status (and it's not just money that do that)
Hey bro I'm an introvert guy with 0 social life and skills to pull a girl but I guess I'm decent looking guy so whenever I walk on streets I see girls do often stare at me for 5-8 secs not every girl but I would say 2 out of 10 I'm 6ft I lift weights and have slight broad structure but for some reasons I feel under- confident from inside can you tell me if they find me attractive? They don't approach towards me but they do stare me even girls when they're with their boyfriend yet stare me is it becz I'm attractive or any other reason I hope you answer this
Consider yourself lucky Abin! If girls are staring at you for 5-8 seconds especially when they are with their boyfriend, you're probably very attractive. If that is the case, it's a matter of picking good photos of yourself and going on the dating apps. Going to an improv class nearby could also help you break out of your shell. I did this in the past and it definitely helped. As an introverted guy myself, it's all about improving your communication and social skills a little bit over time. Thanks for watching man!
@@ascended266 yes man I need to work on my communication skills cuz I can't channelize the attention which I get into approach I gotta be confident enough and approach ...subscribed you btw
@@Luckygun6513 Thanks Abin! I appreciate it.
@@Luckygun6513 If they are staring at you then you are definitely attractive. You would be literally invisible otherwise. I am subscribing also.
@@jakaryreason8696 no I'm not definetly invisible to them 100% I always get stares by some girls I'm not chad whom everyone watches but 2-3 out of 10 do observe me I'm seeing what I have noticed since couple of years which kinda makes me uncomfortable right now cuz I'm not able to approach to them
If she is not give you the same spirit move on.
Agreed!
In my college group, the girls always used to hang out with the attractive chads, and flat out refused to talk with me.
Brutal lol that's human nature for ya.
It kind of sucks that we even had a ranking system for looks in the first place.
people talk about approaching women and talking to them as a sub 5 and then getting treated badly, so i must be true subhuman because women have literally feared for their life and have panic attacks and try to escape me just because i was in the vicinity.
this is what brutally blackpilled me the most and i just now stay indoors and got more and more bitter and have real thoughts of hurting people because this sort of treatment is horrible and make me feel like a leper.
let alone ever approaching a woman, i am not stupid enough to do that, it's already problem if i have to interact with women for services because then there always the chance of ending up jail.
Damn sorry to hear that! I would look to hobbies that can give you some level of purpose. Hiking has really helped me over the years. Something about getting outdoors into nature is very therapeutic. It's easier said than done. Good luck man!
@@ascended266 thank you for reply, i have some hobby like blackpill, and discussing blackpill topics, and i also want to be a gymnast.
@@T.R.A.I.N.I.N.G. Nice man! That's good to hear. I find that the more I focus on hobbies, the happier I am.
@@ascended266 true happiness is only if you find the good girlfriend, not even being good looking and getting a lot of tinder matches compares to that.
@@T.R.A.I.N.I.N.G. I've been in some relationships with good quality women and it definitely does bring you happiness. I can agree with you there. Getting a lot of tinder matches feels good also but it doesn't exactly compare.
After improving yourself and being blackpilled do you still talk to normie women?
After my plan I actively avoid them, their underlying nature has not changed. It just means someone else is getting that treatment, even you will if you descend.
Thanks for the comment Gaia! Yes, I try to treat everyone nicely as I know what it's like to be average/unattractive. I see where you're coming from though. If you go down the looks scale, you will definitely be treated poorly by most women/people.
@@ascended266 you treat the same people that hurt you and would continue to hurt you if you ever lost your looks nicely ?
You just rewarded bad people with your pain and efforts.
Surely the lesson is to treat only those that deserve it with kindness and the rest as they did you.
Part of ascending is having the options and social power to now make this choice.
My thoughts are to only care for the top 10% and the bottom 10% (those that deserve it). Everyone else is just climbing over each other for power.
@@Gaia.S Interesting point of view. You're correct that most people will treat you badly if you lose your looks, wholeheartedly agree with you there.
However, I was raised to treat everyone with respect regardless of how they look. I do my best to do that. Does that mean I would be overly nice to someone who snubbed me in the past? Absolutely not.
It's great having more options when you are more physically attractive but to treat people poorly is not something that feels great to do. Being treated poorly as a sub 5 male felt terrible so why bring that negative energy back into the world?
In regards to treating the top 10% well, the top 10% would probably treat a sub 5 male the worst in comparison to how an average person would treat them so I don't see the logic behind that. I appreciate your perspective though, I do honestly understand where you're coming from.
@@ascended266 bro you are being overly nice, you didn't learn anything from your struggle. You just took a Disney ending. Why do you think the elite treat normies like animals?
That's like being a Jewish person narrowly escaping a Nazi camp then partying with them after like it's ok singing hakuna Matata.
I say top 10% as it's your biological imperative to be with the best. They also in my opinion treat sub 5s the best. It's actually normies that punch down.
Being good to people who deserve it is great but not to everyone is what I am trying to say. This feels to be the conclusion a seasoned man would reach.
May be you didn't suffer enough.
@@Gaia.S I would have to disagree with you on the top 10%. I was mistreated by very attractive people as well as average looking people when I was a sub 5. For people that didn't treat me well back then, I do not pay them any attention and have even ignored them when I came across them again many years later even after they commented positively on my new appearance. I will definitely highlight that in future videos as I have many examples.
As for normies punching down, sure some normies do that but I've also met very attractive people that do that also so it's hard to quantify what people to be nice to with your argument specifically. I have also had other attractive people and normies treat me with respect when I was a sub 5 male. I can tell you for certain that I have deeply suffered from balding and weight issues and those issues still stick with me until this day and always will.
I’m 5’6 and average to slightly above average facially and build wise, lots of women find me cute though realistically I’m a 6 with potential to be a 7 if I was to get a great physique going. Before I turned 24 on a good day it was quite hard but mostly downright brutal for me with the rejections and stuff I faced, I was a very late bloomer with a scrawny and small build. But since growing a beard, getting in okay shape alongside now having a stockier build and frame with broad shoulders and taking care of my appearance it’s been game changing. Plenty of the women I’ve dated or been with have been well outside my league, I tend to attract women in the 5’3-5’8 crowd the most and find shorter women or women my age (28) to be the pickiest with height where as the rest really don’t care. Shortest I’ve dated so far is 5’0 tallest was 6’3.
Hey, bro. So are you a Chadlite rn?
And are you on finasteride? Any sides?
I am 5’3” but in good shape. Unfortunately I am also balding so I shaved my head. I want to get my hair back but I’m scared of side effects from finasteride.
Josh, 5 3 is gonna be a tough sell. I won't lie. Stick with self improvement and maybe check out Asia.
Thanks for the advice. It just kills me because with a few minor adjustments of my genetics I could have been a Chad. I do have a really nice face. All I need is height, hair, and a confident sociable personality. But, having been short all my life I received nothing but negative feedback from peers and emotional abuse from my parents which destroyed my confidence. Oh well.
I've never experienced this kinda treatment from others but I still feel like 4/10 I have an underbite which destroys my self-esteem. I think that after surgery I will jump to 8/10 or 7/10 range cuz I have pretty almond eyes with full dark eyebrows good height 6'1 full lips high set cheekbones compact midface full hair probably after surgery My jaw will be straight and cheaseled like my dad. So the surgery will be a deal breaker
Consider yourself lucky that you have all of those ideal attractive features. You've probably never experience poor treatment because overall you're very attractive so the underbite doesn't impact your looks that noticeably. If it destroys your self esteem, I would say go for it. I'm considering a third hair transplant in the near future as well.
This was a very pathetic subtle flex moment. Bro just fishing for compliments
@@ascended266 nah the underbite makes my face very flat and overall weird. I have never experienced a chad treatment so it affect my surgeon told me that I have severe underbite
@@bendikok6619 nah I don't fish compliments i just have very bad underbite which distord a harmony on my face
@@brandonharley44 you don't understand what is the underbite. I have too big jaw and underdeveloped maxilla. And mewing is for someone who has weak jaw
If experienced this mostly from less attractive women over the years on and off. It’s odd because really attractive women are nice or kind towards me in a platonic way… I have always wondered if it was because they knew it was over gif me? I was a baldcel since high school senior year. My hairline went incel when I was 25 (completely gone and I shaved my head). Ever since the best I can score on dating apps are overweight types or single moms. It’s escortmaxxing or it’s over for me 😂
Sorry to hear about your hair. I started losing my hair when I was about 19 so I feel your pain. I feel like I was sub 5, I had the opposite. Less attractive women were nicer and more attractive women weren't as nice. Thanks for watching!
Based on what you said you are in the average range of looks and not a true subfive inkwell . You have picked up singal mothers and less attractive women on dating apps, a true inkwell would not be able to pull that off, a true inkwell or subfive gets absolutely nothing and has not a hope in hell on dating apps so consider yourself somewhat lucky.
Because the hot girls know they are hot and that you are swimming in rare waters, talking to them. The less attractive ones are annoyed because it confirms that they are average and that you see them as similar to you.
its crazy how i dont have any glaring problems yet im still by all accounts sub 5. i can probably count on one hand the amount of compliments ive received from women. i get a few comments on my clothing but never for how i actually look. i have a very washed out and bland look combined with a young looking face. i have no features that stand out. i am also black which also puts me at a disadvantage because of how society expects me to look hypermasculine and tough. my only saving grace is that i’m 5’9, which really is the bare minimum. i might as well not exist bro. nothing about me stands out. its over.
5 9 ain't saving grace in black or white community. Lol. It's subpar. I'm 5 8 and white.
Is 5’6 really short? I don’t feel like it’s really affected me yet, I mean I haven’t been rejected since high school and I had a 4/10 face around that time because I was fat and had acne. As an adult though I get compliments and I’m like an 8/10, women will have prolonged conversations with me and people generally like to talk to me so that’s cool. I’ve also had women look at me for some reason in public, one even stared at me for a long time with a big smile on her face and it really creeped me out, same for the coworker that kept trying to touch my shoulders and press her chest against my arm (I really hate being touched by people). I also get matches and likes on dating apps despite what I hear about short guys never getting matches on there.
Honestly, I feel content with being around that height (5’7). Although it may be that I’m of similar height/taller than other students in my high school with the occasional guy who’s taller. And not to mention that I have had like 2 gay guys who were into me, so I suppose looks make up for height to an extent.
@@VenturesBoyToy it seems like it
I'm in my 40's and am 5'8". I have never had a problem with the ladies. I married a woman that I am still attracted to 20 years later, so I feel I did pretty well there too. If I was a 20 something year old nowadays, I'd have no luck. I don't know when 6' became the cutoff for acceptability, but it seems like that is just how it is now. All I can say to younger men below acceptable height is to continue to work on yourself, and don't get with a westernized woman.
Great advice! 6'0 definitely seems to be the height the vast majority of women seek out in a man.
I’m 26 and 5ft 8-9, it gets brought up by women all the time as a sh!t test and gets annoying. But I’ve had no problem getting women either. I did notice living in the state of Florida that height is brought up less. In the north of United States I notice it more.
If there is an abundance of attractive women the standards for men are more realistic. Florida was honestly a lot better place to date.
The real problem is we can't be men anymore. Men used to be able to see a girl they were attracted to, go over and shoot their shot, knowing that the worst thing that could happen is she isn't interested.
But now...now just telling a girl you think she's attractive could get you kicked out of wherever you are or labeled a creeper because you made her feel "uncomfortable". And online...don't even get me started with that bag of awfulness.
@@fuzzypanda1684 so your idea of being a man is to be able to make women feel uncomfortable and you wonder why they go for the man who they feel safe with.
What if you're short, fat and bald?
That would be a very brutal combination to say the least. You could always try to losing weight and getting in shape. As for being bald, there's hair transplants, hair systems, Propecia, etc. Each have their pros and cons. Height is probably the hardest one to overcome.
Still plenty of chicks.
I have the first not the other two and I am ensuring you that's enough to be permanently invisible.
In reality it doesn't really matter for the other two. If you are going to lose weight and exercise you will do it for you. For a better health.
@@ZA56AA Yeah, I've always been a short guy, I was always skinny when I was younger with thick beautiful hair and I still never got a gf. That being said, it's probably still nice to not be fat and balding as you age, even if you're short.
The most important thing is to stay in shape and not get overweight. You see a huge difference when you see a before/after picture from a fat guy that gets in shape even in the facial structures. Being in shape is number one.
If you are going bald you can take a hair transplant or a scalp tattoo pigment. Some people can get away with a shaved if you have a symmetrical and masculine facial structure.
Being short is something you can't really control but you can concentrate on other things like your hygiene, body and clothing style.
Dude, approaching women from behind them or surprising them by walking up from the side is a terrible idea. They are built different.
Im a subfive because my overbite teeth, short, dark Skin (Asian standard), no Skin care, and no good habbit
But now i use brace, diet and gym, and i have adding 3 inch taller in my 16, Skin care, etc.
That's awesome man! I'm glad you found ways to improve your looks.
I’m 5’7 and 238lbs but my life was harder at 270lbs where most women would give me dirty looks walking down the street.
I know you're telling the truth because the way I got treated when I was 260 I couldn't just live a normal life.
Im similar built to you guys. The highest I weighed was 260 lbs. Im down to 225 lbs with a 35% bmi. Im trying to eventually get to 185 lbs
You have literally 50 pounds to lose. Forget women. Get a "real food" diet and hit gym.
"Awww OP, youre so sweet and charming. I would TOTALLY date a guy like you!"
*in my head*: "But I'm a guy like me..."
Real conversation I had with a chick that I still have a mad crush on when hanging out with her and her brother after a gym session. She was going through a rough patch in her relationship at the time, too. I just think she liked the attention from me to be honest.
One big discovery I realized is that if you gotten friended zone multiple times, that means your personality is great but your looks aren't. Therefore they just see you as a friend, not boyfriend . Jfl
Hahah brutal! Love it.
@@gatoloco3949 I've seen a lot of good looking men get friendzoned. Most of them were decent men, and that repulses women.
Used to be sub 5. I was 285lbs, not very tall, didnt have good hygiene, didnt shave and just didnt gaf about how i looked. Started taking care of myself, lost all the weight now sitting at 160ish pounds, started wearing cologne and currently now just trying to stay fresh and hygienic. Now im still a virgin but i noticed i have so much more attention from women than i ever have and im still adjusting to it. If youre worried about how you look, do something about it now while youre still young because you will thank yourself in the future
The good news is you can always do things that will get you out of the sub 5 zone such as losing weight and gain some muscle, learn how to dress nicely along with timeless men’s clothing (think of collared shirts, plain logo free t-shirts, sports jackets, chinos, dark wash jeans and suits that are all well fitted and in neutral colours, also don’t forget black or brown leather dress shoes/boots) and develop good grooming habits (like get your haircut regularly, take care of your facial hair, trim your nails weekly, have a facial skincare routine). You probably won’t become an 8 or higher but I believe becoming a 6 or 7 is possible
Hahaha facial skincare, that is the gayest thing ever,nope not gonna do that , not even when she was the last person alive.
If it makes y'all feel any better, I've seen an attractive male get rejected SUPER rudely by a girl, worse than described here.
It was in a video, so if anyone wants to se that for themselves I'll look for it and link it
that feel when Becky rejects chad because he doesn't worship the ground she stands on.
Haha I'd love to see that! Feel free to link the video here man.
@@ascended266 ua-cam.com/video/oTZxmAPczLY/v-deo.html Around 9:50, girl sitting at table.
Forewarning, this dude is "attractive" via the female gaze, and closer to a niche type for a demographic of younger modern girls. But he does get countless positive feedback from women in other videos, social media, and I'm sure off-camera too.
Cool, but we don't care bcs there's plenty of options. They come and throw alot of choosing signals to us first. So no risk involved at all. Cold approaching as an attractive male is a dumb idea bcs we already have alot of options and we don't have to do anything just exist
This definitely happens, more than people think
I can feel the pain in your voice from all that awful treatment you got. I was overweight too and lost most of it. I'm still trying to leanmaxx and looksmaxx even more to get positive treatment. Right now it's mostly neutral so I must be a 5/10. Still, thumbs up for pulling through it and remaining positive.
Stop lying. You been missing for like a decade
I am gonna do the idontgiveafmax
I am halfway between normie and chad and all I can say that charisma plays a major role in how things work out with women, I would not take them too seriously. If they fail to recognize the value in you, they dont even deserve you in the first place, dont let your mere appearance make you judge yourself, set your goals higher.
Pure eugenics
I've never experienced these things in my entire life because I have never given a shitt about what others think about me but at the same time I was never rejected by any girl but I do hate he way they mistreat others thou, when a girl does that to any of my friends, I make her feel like shitt , as I said , social status is crapp to Me, it's meaningless, Time is my guidance and surely open my eyes to the truth of the fake ones.
Preach! Say it louder for the people in the back.