No matter which car and which reviewer, everyone always complains about complicated access to climate controls or volume settings. Manufacturers, hear it once and for all: KNOBS ARE GOOD!
@@RJKK It must be cost saving. The car is considerably less ergonomic but on the plus side, they save a grand $0.60 on each car sold by not having to buy and install actual knobs or sliders.
Volkswagen is doing the same thing now. It is also true that once the automatic mode is selected, it is not necessary to adjust the temperature for weeks.
Sadly, won't sell in great numbers in the UK because it's French and secondly not an SUV. Finally, it will be a used car bargain due to heavy depreciation.
I have always loved Citroen's, because that is what it is really! The ride and opulence, but it is the quickest way to burn money in depreciation. Even going back to the CX and DS they never really came up with an inspiring motor!
Nice video, Steve, good to see the Boss keeping his hand in with reviews. Clear, concise, informative, good, mellow voice and authoritative presentation. Enjoyed. Fun car to choose. Good second hand choice though, not new. Hope it is reliable though...
@@netako I didn't know that - it's got the same daytime running lights in effect as the 508 - which in themselves Peugeot were touting as a unique piece of Peugeot design language. The whole care is a bit of a con - there's so much Peugeot inside the cabin in its infortainment system. Also, if DS want to be a premium brand, fit a proper camera system for the surround view.
@@creatineenjoyer7345 their infotainment system sucks and most of their models (UX, NX, RX, ES) are all on FWD based platforms. Lexus also doesn’t have a true competitor to AMG and M because the “F” brand is pretty much dead.
I like the overall exterior styling, but detailing and interior way too fussy and 'blingy' for me.If I were buying privately, I'd worry about depreciation too.
Ok, it is a high end luxury car, it should be first, comfortable and secondly, fast. If it is not fast, no stress at all. But.... It is high end and it has a suspension capable of adapting to the road, it should do both if you want. In general, I think it is a good thing it is NOT Nurburing tested.
The front design is so tacky and weird. Wish they manage to come up with a better design language for their cars. Even a Genesis has sort of managed to do that within just a few years. DS brand still feels like a hobby project from PSA
Great review. Thanks for that. For me it's a bit 'trying to hard.' It doesn't have the grace or understatement of the C6. Interesting car though. Would love to try one. Easier to say you're not keen when watching a review but it's different when it's parked outside your house, and you drive it. 🙂
I think that idea is not far short of the mark inasmuch as any new Chrysler car will likely be a PSA-derived platform rather than Fiat but I can't see a rebadged DS9 tickling the fancies of American buyers. Could be wrong of course.
I'd love to see Tim Key sit in for Steve Fowler on one of these reviews! It's great that Citroen are focusing on comfort rather than competing on handling, but ergonomic quirks and wheezy engines aren't ideal! Get one when it's about 4 years old and it'll be a steal.
If the first thing you thought of comparing it to is an S class, then it probably is as good as it gets for the price, ... But it doesn't seem pertinent... is it more comfortable, more spacious for rear passengers, better trimed than an E class? 5 series or A6? These, I think, are the most important aspects on which this car should be judged ... And DS, if you're reading this, an extended wheel base version with first class individual rear seats would sell like hot cakes in Asia, and Paris for sure!
Even the Germans are struggling to sell E Class, 5/7 series and A6/8, SUVs rule now, so nobody apart from French Presidents will buy this Citroen, sorry DS.
Is my hearing deceiving me? At about 6mins 40 secs did he say 'driving along these Oxfordshire Lanes' whilst driving on the right hand side of the road entering a right hand bend? I know the car is left hand drive, but am I missing something? ps Like the car!
I think it's rather difficult to compare this redesigned chinse Peugeot 508L, manufactured in China (with chinese built quality and reliability) with Mercedes, BMW or Audi.
Large, luxurious French cars have never sold in big numbers, and this will be no different. The French excel at the other end of the market, so that's probably where they should focus their efforts. They're never going to tempt people out of their "prestige" German cars, so why waste valuable resources trying?
Why do presenters bang on about speed... most of Europe have a 70mph speed limit, this is a car that you can sit back and just waft along... as for the controls - bits & pieces, just read the handbook!! and they hold their price in Europe.
Oh, dear, the poor guy doesn't know how to adjust the mirror or to operate the windows. To be fair, I also don't think I remember how to adjust my mirrors, because I've adjust them once and they've been good every since. Oh, and, I think you'll get used to the windows control after 2-3 days, unless your problem lies somewhere else :)
Can't believe the reviewer didn't like the ride in a S-class...The design is the only plus point of this car, you would only buy it for the novelty factor..Nowhere near the germans in terms of quality or use...the rattling noise is by far one of the worst i've heard in any car. You shouldn't even ask "if this is the best car in its class"... it's an insult to other car manufacturers from a relatively new car...
I won't call the new DS9 ugly per se, although that hideous clock is and I don't like the front. It looks nondescript. Generic. Bland. Really quite boring and not remotely on a par with its big German rivals in many ways. It will be comfortable. A good car. A nice car - if you can stand the looks. I don't like the Citroën or DS styling myself - too fussy and over engineered. It will sell only in modest numbers, doubtless mainly in France. A rather disappointing effort in my view and nowhere near Citroen's previous feted efforts.
It looks narrow and unbalanced as a design and I am not a fun of that segment anyway. I do love the spite in this review. What I have learned is that the car rattles, it is a mess to operate, the comfort is good but not so good and the clock is ugly. I also like that "meh" tone of the review. Maybe he is on point. But the fact that he is Brit, ticks all the stereotypical boxes on how to review a French luxury saloon. In my opinion, he didn't even had to drive the car. His verdict was already set.
The French should stick to handbags, shoes & cooking. This is just another ugly, over-stylised loss making model made of cottage cheese. Worthless in 3 years as the DS brand has zero credibility and even less kudos. I won't start on reliability.
@@georgedowns4034 Because i do not . It's a matter of taste . Everybody has his own taste, I do not like and I do not think it is "more luxurious than an E-Class" like the video title reads .
@@georgedowns4034 i've watched a very detailed review (and actually quite positive) from autogefuhl, still do not like it. Dont like the dash, the like the dials, I have driven some DS products recently on long journey's (rentals) and I was not impressed . They were not "bad" but not great either , and i don't like the design of the exterior at all .
Won't sell here or probably Germany, partly because it's French but most likely because it's ugly. What is it with French design, they seem to struggle getting the basics right and dare I say I actually think the new 4 series frontend looks superior to this.
DS can not come even close to any Mercedes. Design of front is half and half, dashboard is too plastic. And yes, who has put such an ugly watch into the car ?? haha
Dashboard plastic? 😂😂 There is nothing plastic in dashboard. DS7 also have nothing plastic in dashboard. Only metal and the leather. Mercedes models have lot of piano plastic (not really awesome). In ds7 or ds9 piano plastic is 2 cm in central console and is all. All others materials is the leather and metal
No matter which car and which reviewer, everyone always complains about complicated access to climate controls or volume settings. Manufacturers, hear it once and for all: KNOBS ARE GOOD!
The current C4 and the upcoming C5/C5X uses knobs!
Honestly! its Ike their totally Deaf n they don't care!!
@@RJKK It must be cost saving. The car is considerably less ergonomic but on the plus side, they save a grand $0.60 on each car sold by not having to buy and install actual knobs or sliders.
Volkswagen is doing the same thing now. It is also true that once the automatic mode is selected, it is not necessary to adjust the temperature for weeks.
@@jacobzimmermann59 absolutely spot on with the knobs , manufacturers need to wake up , to much messing about with the touch screen
Sadly, won't sell in great numbers in the UK because it's French and secondly not an SUV. Finally, it will be a used car bargain due to heavy depreciation.
i don't really know, DS models are not depreciatting much
What you on about
Renault and Citroen and Peugeot all have a decent slice of the car market in the uk
@@boyasaka they do for small cars but when they try and compete with German saloon’s they fail
@@boyasaka Just not big saloons
That car is GORGEOUS 😍 and anyone who disagrees needs their eyes checked...
I LOOOVE the lines of it. ..and have the hots for the car overall. Finally something not like the usual german car.
I have always loved Citroen's, because that is what it is really! The ride and opulence, but it is the quickest way to burn money in depreciation. Even going back to the CX and DS they never really came up with an inspiring motor!
That's all cars.... and most who "buy" this won't care... because as everything, it'll be on a lease.
360 hp is an inspiring motor!
Citroen SM
All ds models (10+ years now) has the windows switch in the middle console Its not ds problem that you are getting in their car for the first time…
Ds4 have windows control on the door 🤔
My favourite Star Trek show!
I really like the new frech cars. e208, Clio, Alpine A110, all very nice
Looking forward to seeing one on the road but I'd say it will be a rare sight
Nice video, Steve, good to see the Boss keeping his hand in with reviews. Clear, concise, informative, good, mellow voice and authoritative presentation. Enjoyed. Fun car to choose. Good second hand choice though, not new. Hope it is reliable though...
The body looks the same as the Peugeot.
Absolutely
That's literally the Peugeot 508L (a bigger 508 that is only available in China) with a huge DS redesign.
@@netako I didn't know that - it's got the same daytime running lights in effect as the 508 - which in themselves Peugeot were touting as a unique piece of Peugeot design language. The whole care is a bit of a con - there's so much Peugeot inside the cabin in its infortainment system. Also, if DS want to be a premium brand, fit a proper camera system for the surround view.
@@netako it is longer and wider than the 508L and has more equipment
It 's a good ratio price/equipement.
Still rather a Lexus. Especially now they have 10 year warranties in UK
Oh Lexus are really underrated I think. Beautifully designed, comfortable, well equipped and supremley reliable
@@georgedowns4034 they really are. It's sad that UK journos always give them 3.5 stars not the 4 or 5 they deserve
@@bassicuk1986 because Lexus are outdated and boring to drive compared to its German rivals
@@kristians2704 not really tho. New Lexus are both fast and modern. Also a 10 year warranty, oh my god, amazing
@@creatineenjoyer7345 their infotainment system sucks and most of their models (UX, NX, RX, ES) are all on FWD based platforms. Lexus also doesn’t have a true competitor to AMG and M because the “F” brand is pretty much dead.
Wonder what the residual value will be like...
The bonnet strip is horrendous
Very nice effort, but the Citroen C6 was more magical. I think it might be a bit better than the Lexus ES though
Looks like a Peugeot 508 with a different badge and interior. Cost effective PSA? Perhaps a Vauxhall/Opel variant? Hope not!
That's actually a 508L (a longer 508 sold only in China) with a huge DS redisign.
And then there's the understated but nicely proportioned Volvo S90 for those who don't want any of the three German saloons...
I like the overall exterior styling, but detailing and interior way too fussy and 'blingy' for me.If I were buying privately, I'd worry about depreciation too.
yes the chrome strip up the bonnet looks so cheap
I enjoyed watching the Video Review. I still prefer the BMW 5 Series
You can change the temperature by voice control. Same thing since the Citroen C5 Aircross of 2018, similar interface.
I've been on the internet long enough to know that whenever there's a "yes or no" question in the title, the answer is usually "no"
Ok, it is a high end luxury car, it should be first, comfortable and secondly, fast. If it is not fast, no stress at all.
But.... It is high end and it has a suspension capable of adapting to the road, it should do both if you want.
In general, I think it is a good thing it is NOT Nurburing tested.
There will be soon a 360 HP hybrid version in France and in UK too i think
The clock is the only redeeming feature of the dashboard 😆
Why do you have to adjuste the mirrors when you are driving? I'w guess you sets the mirror ounce, and are stored in the seat adjusment memory.
The front design is so tacky and weird. Wish they manage to come up with a better design language for their cars. Even a Genesis has sort of managed to do that within just a few years. DS brand still feels like a hobby project from PSA
Can’t wait to get a used one of these in about 3 years time. (And still trying to get over how bad that clock looks)
Still interested? There's 1 petrol version on sale on Aorotrader.
Great review. Thanks for that. For me it's a bit 'trying to hard.' It doesn't have the grace or understatement of the C6. Interesting car though. Would love to try one. Easier to say you're not keen when watching a review but it's different when it's parked outside your house, and you drive it. 🙂
You’re driving in Oxfordshire? Sorry to tell you, but you should have been driving on the left!
I think it's a mix of DS publicity drive-by material and AE in-car video. This happens a lot with Citroën reviews too.
Should they sell it in America as a Chrysler?
Never...
I think that idea is not far short of the mark inasmuch as any new Chrysler car will likely be a PSA-derived platform rather than Fiat but I can't see a rebadged DS9 tickling the fancies of American buyers. Could be wrong of course.
I'd like one of these in diesel HDi 2.0
I'd love to see Tim Key sit in for Steve Fowler on one of these reviews!
It's great that Citroen are focusing on comfort rather than competing on handling, but ergonomic quirks and wheezy engines aren't ideal! Get one when it's about 4 years old and it'll be a steal.
Answer to the question in video title is OF COURSE NOT IT'S A LONGER AND RESTYLED PEUGEOT 508
If the first thing you thought of comparing it to is an S class, then it probably is as good as it gets for the price, ... But it doesn't seem pertinent... is it more comfortable, more spacious for rear passengers, better trimed than an E class? 5 series or A6? These, I think, are the most important aspects on which this car should be judged ...
And DS, if you're reading this, an extended wheel base version with first class individual rear seats would sell like hot cakes in Asia, and Paris for sure!
Citroen C6 was cool and unusual, this is just average - looks average, drives average...
In 2024, it will be a toss up between this and the Genesis G80 as to which high end good value luxury car I decide to buy used.
Keep me posted, Waine! I'm exactly of the same mind!
the centre line trim on the middle of the front bonnet don't suit the DS9's character at all!!!
Like how much can this car actually cost
My eyes always moves from your face to your beer belly.
This wasn't review, this was jealous spiting.
Even the Germans are struggling to sell E Class, 5/7 series and A6/8, SUVs rule now, so nobody apart from French Presidents will buy this Citroen, sorry DS.
Ah, I remember the French President took a ride in a DS SUV？
Looks like it's crying
Is my hearing deceiving me?
At about 6mins 40 secs did he say 'driving along these Oxfordshire Lanes' whilst driving on the right hand side of the road entering a right hand bend? I know the car is left hand drive, but am I missing something? ps Like the car!
I think it's rather difficult to compare this redesigned chinse Peugeot 508L, manufactured in China (with chinese built quality and reliability) with Mercedes, BMW or Audi.
You are really living under the rock judging by the way you commented on the Chinese part.
Large, luxurious French cars have never sold in big numbers, and this will be no different. The French excel at the other end of the market, so that's probably where they should focus their efforts. They're never going to tempt people out of their "prestige" German cars, so why waste valuable resources trying?
Let’s make knobs great again!
Yikes, not kidding about the clock...looks wonky too.
Why do presenters bang on about speed... most of Europe have a 70mph speed limit, this is a car that you can sit back and just waft along... as for the controls - bits & pieces, just read the handbook!! and they hold their price in Europe.
Oh, dear, the poor guy doesn't know how to adjust the mirror or to operate the windows. To be fair, I also don't think I remember how to adjust my mirrors, because I've adjust them once and they've been good every since.
Oh, and, I think you'll get used to the windows control after 2-3 days, unless your problem lies somewhere else :)
Can't believe the reviewer didn't like the ride in a S-class...The design is the only plus point of this car, you would only buy it for the novelty factor..Nowhere near the germans in terms of quality or use...the rattling noise is by far one of the worst i've heard in any car. You shouldn't even ask "if this is the best car in its class"... it's an insult to other car manufacturers from a relatively new car...
It has a confused looking face
seems to add nothing that a DS5 won't give you?
Why have I never heard of this brand?
Because they branched off Citroën only in 2016, so they're just 5 years old. They're selling decently all across Europe though.
Good question. Because you're a little bit slow?
@@MrSparklespring well, I’m 10 so give me a break:)
@@MrSparklespring says the man who thinks little bit is one word:)
@@guinnessharvey4476 Lol! Ok, then!
Looks lika a Toyota fused with a Mazda with the dérriere of a Peugeot. Nothing innovative...immensely forgettable...Citroen, what happened?😢
Looks like a Lexus / Hyundai. NOT a compliment.
I think it has ugly front side... Interior is nice and I love DS products, but I am a bit disappointed :(
I won't call the new DS9 ugly per se, although that hideous clock is and I don't like the front. It looks nondescript. Generic. Bland. Really quite boring and not remotely on a par with its big German rivals in many ways. It will be comfortable. A good car. A nice car - if you can stand the looks. I don't like the Citroën or DS styling myself - too fussy and over engineered. It will sell only in modest numbers, doubtless mainly in France. A rather disappointing effort in my view and nowhere near Citroen's previous feted efforts.
Way too over the top, over-styled and doesn't really seem that well engineered for the price it is. People shouldn't wonder why these don't sell.
Да, для жирных и коротких это хороший автомобиль
In my opinion DS should have made this an electric vehicle!
Trash... But I give to DS that, at least, is not yet the classic Albanian Mafia car as Mercedes etc...
Looks even its mother can't love
The DS3 is much nicer. Sadly Citroen /DS struggles to design a big luxury car
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It looks narrow and unbalanced as a design and I am not a fun of that segment anyway. I do love the spite in this review. What I have learned is that the car rattles, it is a mess to operate, the comfort is good but not so good and the clock is ugly. I also like that "meh" tone of the review. Maybe he is on point. But the fact that he is Brit, ticks all the stereotypical boxes on how to review a French luxury saloon. In my opinion, he didn't even had to drive the car. His verdict was already set.
Was it just me or did the ride look really harsh?
The French should stick to handbags, shoes & cooking. This is just another ugly, over-stylised loss making model made of cottage cheese. Worthless in 3 years as the DS brand has zero credibility and even less kudos. I won't start on reliability.
Cheap copy of Audi A6
What an ugly car. Its so busy
........nope !...
@@georgedowns4034 i'm sorry but to me it is . And by far .
@@georgedowns4034 Because i do not . It's a matter of taste . Everybody has his own taste, I do not like and I do not think it is "more luxurious than an E-Class" like the video title reads .
@@georgedowns4034 i've watched a very detailed review (and actually quite positive) from autogefuhl, still do not like it. Dont like the dash, the like the dials, I have driven some DS products recently on long journey's (rentals) and I was not impressed . They were not "bad" but not great either , and i don't like the design of the exterior at all .
@@georgedowns4034 i have expectations proportioned to the price . Yes E class or Audi A6 or bmw 5 any day
nice interior , ugly exterior - as most of the french cars these days
WTH? Nope.
Won't sell here or probably Germany, partly because it's French but most likely because it's ugly. What is it with French design, they seem to struggle getting the basics right and dare I say I actually think the new 4 series frontend looks superior to this.
Already looks dated both inside and out.
It looks cheap and bland. They've ripped off Lexus with the front light and grill arrangement. It's awful.
DS can not come even close to any Mercedes. Design of front is half and half, dashboard is too plastic. And yes, who has put such an ugly watch into the car ?? haha
Dashboard plastic? 😂😂 There is nothing plastic in dashboard. DS7 also have nothing plastic in dashboard. Only metal and the leather. Mercedes models have lot of piano plastic (not really awesome). In ds7 or ds9 piano plastic is 2 cm in central console and is all. All others materials is the leather and metal
Dont like ,Merceds
The exterior is disgusting...