+TeddyBearBoy Really the Avatar is supposed to just be the ultimate Grand Master. Knowing each element (fighting style) makes you adaptable to countering just about any threat. And achieving enlightenment. While the martial arts in the show were of Chinese origin, there are splashes of Buddhist and Japanese concepts here and there.
+William Robinson Airbending was based on Bagua. Waterbending - Tai Chi Earthbending - Hung Gar Firebending - Northrrn Shaolin. Toph used either Northern or Southern Praying Mantis, and the swamp and sand benders used arts closely related to those of their home element.
Toph used southern, Her footwork and arm positions were southern. As far as the op and his goal to understand these 4 arts, understand one of these arts well and I think you'll feel plenty satisfied.
No the hell they didn't, It's alive, You won't see it in the US, ,, It's too difficult for US students. Most of would be kwoon attendees left after the first class. Just to brutal, of an art form and take a long time to master. Sorry to burst your bubble bruh.
Probably because they filmed this in an Aikido dojo, and he's also an Aikidoka in addition to being a practitioner of Baguazhang? People cross-train all the time, and Aikido, and Bagua are actually pretty similar.
Sam Mcwindy ahhh, actually they are. You have to practice both to appreciate it. my sifu actually first practiced bagua and then aikido because he saw that there were similarities. In application, they share similarities. Not saying they're exactly alike, but similar.
the "body form" is not that of internal art, nor even that of traditional Chinese martial art. Because the practitioner applies the form he has developed in his discipline: Japanese style ... You can not really practice Bagua zhang without his body form, which is the foundation ...
Worst Pakua form ever. But nice demo vid. Not hatin'... I'm sure he's better at Aikido, and this is cross training to explore the circularity of Pakua.
As with what I imagine must he quite a few people, I first heard about bagua when reading background on Avatar (the cartoon, not blue space cats). It's interesting how delicate and graceful it can look. I'm neither of those things, so it really interests me.
That’s not ba gua. It’s the shape of ba gua. If you think that the internal arts are technical, you wind up with empty talu that don’t work very well. The amazing part of internal arts is the internal part. If you teach the internal arts, you must address the internal from the first moment. If not you’ve simply externalized them.
We did a lot of this in ninjutsu. People seeing a video of us practicing couldn't understand why a guy fell down when we had hardly touched him because they were looking at the hands, not the legs.
Living in Gothenburg, been practicing ITF taekwondo for 7 years and I really want to start practicing some kind of kung fu. The ones I find the most interesting is wing chun and ba gua. Not sure which one is best suited for me
Le Ravo I study Karate, and now I am also studying Kung-fu. I think you should start with Wing Chun. This is because in my experience, Wing Chun and Bagua are not distinct, but actually related. Wing Chun is like the basis of Bagua, as its movements and techniques are similar, but more closed. Think of it as a ripple in a pond from a stone dropped in. The point the stone dropped is Wing Chun, but as the ripples grow outwards (your study of the art) it moves you naturally into Bagua, and this makes it easier for you to grasp the dynamics of the art. Hope this helps.
I love you all guys....you all that show the core essence....of baguazhangers and aikidokas....if A=B then B=A.... And from your explanations you ve planted seed of seeing through the veil...beyond the form...after all...all humans practice with their body n soul...the clothes are only clothes....clothes is not the martial art.... I bow in respect for this golden nugget ...a lesson to remember.. I hope you can bring more and more such comparative baguazhangers aikido and aikidokas baguazhang.
Very nice work. I was guessing you'd studied aikido, and it's useful to see how some of those principles can be applied in bagua. Also loved seeing the more recognizable classical applications. Don't mess with a mechanical engineer who trains seriously in this art!
PS have you seen this true wudang master who has emerged in recent years? I've been recommending everyone serious watch his videos: ua-cam.com/users/shortsilXWix10cZ0 ua-cam.com/video/dD0hded7X-g/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/vJz9S0IFOpM/v-deo.html
I'm going to give one critique to a true brother: my sifu would have said you can still relax more. I hope that is not unwelcome, and I recognize nearly 10 years have passed since this video. One of my all time favorite martial footage is O-Sensi when he was very very old. That's the type of relaxation my sifu is talking about. But you were still a "young guy" in this video, and nearly all of us are too tight when we're young.
It is Bagua, he just uses his own style..those stances do exist in Bagua and his palm seems right..there are many Bagua styles nowadays so I have no idea which one he's using..but if that guy is a practitioner of other arts too (boxing or mma) then he most definitely cannot perform the right Bagua in a real fight..his muscles must already be too stiff for Bagua and he doesn't seem to have the right flowbility for it..
+John Hardin The second half of that doesn't make any sense to me, but I can explain internal martial arts easily enough. Internal vs External martial arts: The terms are used to describe the movements and energy application within them. External martial arts are styles like Karate that don't care about going with the flow of your opponent, they actively go against them and use muscle strength to win. They normally involve lots of striking motions and breaking joints by pushing against them (think armbars). Internal martial arts are ones like Baguazhang or Tai Chi Quan which involve redirection of energy with very little work on your own part. They do involve strikes as well as the external arts, but are generally much more inclined to dodge or redirect an opponent than to catch their attack and break the offending limb. Hope that helps. inb4 "*adjusts glasses* Uh, you're wrong"
Explain to a baby how to walk on two feet. Practice is the best explanation. "First you imitate the form, then you fill the form, then you discard the form."
Unless you do the breathing method known as reverse breathing and are doing the qigong that builds the connections between the various soft tissues and combine all of that with proper body mechanics driven from the dantien (all of which culminates in the skill known as Qi) then it's just a bunch of empty forms. It takes years of daily practice to build up those connections. Qi isn't life force or some pseudo-mystical BS. It's breath power. Using the breathe to drive the body. Nothing mystical about it.
Do you have to learn all three forms (taiji, xingyi, and bagua)? No. They're independent systems. Xingyi and bagua complement each other well, though, and there are systems in which they're combined.
Очень интересно каким направлением Вы занимались и Кто был Ваш Учитель? То что мы здесь наблюдаем это породия на Багуа .Практикует Айкидо вот и практикуй , многие моменты от постановки стопы и т.д. не правильные
I believe this was probably uploaded for students already aware of proper alignment when walking the circle. Most common would be mud wading step. I believe he even demonstrated proper footwork training done straight line. People remember these are this mans take away from studying and training this art. It is old yet relatively young in comparison to other martial arts. Also this art is about self cultivation as much if not more than fighting application. The chinese were very practical in using shen fa and shou fa to encourage healthy posture and awareness of ones structure.
Baguazhang (pa kua..... etc) are all based on a set of principles. To gain the reflex is to decifer the movements taught into applications with priciples in mind. Now this gentleman's showing of bagua is his interpretation. Bagua used to require a mastery in a previous art before being taught to the new student.... and that base art was enhanced with bagua principles...alignments etc. So it's not that the arts combine.... but you enhance your foundation, and use what you have trained / reserched. By using what works for you alots you greater success in the martial side of the arts.
WONDERFUL EXPLANATION OF THE ONE AND THE SAME ORIGIN OF BOTH AIKIDO N BAGUAZHANG!!!!!I CAN ONLY SAY YOU HAVE MEHUM LY LAYING MY RESPECT TO YOUR EFFORT!!!A NEW SUBSCRIBER HAS JUST COME IN!
lol.. actual fighting is messy, get over it. dancing like a polish girl on ketamine is, at most, conceptual art but has nothing to do with martial arts.
John Cleese, you have a rival here for the Funny Walk Champion 2016.Honestly the foot sweeps would not trip over a fly with its legs tied.Honestly this stuff should carry a health warning.
It seems not very effectiv to use two hands, just to block one hand of the opponent. In a selfdefending situation the enemy will use both hands to attack you. If you need two hands to block one hand of the enemy, you will need a third hand to block the second hand of your enemy. For example look at 1:38. In a real fight the left hand of the "bully" will knock you out.
Nice to see those applications, but in real combat situation, you need power to support those techniques. The main problem for martial art practitioners nowadays that they don't have enough power, they just maintain techniques as their training seems like dancing rather than martial arts. I'm used to practice and repeat hundred times only on single technique until achieve one deadly strike
You probably shouldn't judge on a vid about elementary apps for the static palms in his system. Go watch the vid of him doing 16 palm changes. Might revise your opinion.
@@pgskills you think Bagua is only having the right palm and the nice change between them? Bagua is so much more than stances..this guy seems too stiff to even be able to do Bagua in a real fight..
@@A_leXs I could tell you the reasons that I think this guy has good Bagua knowledge, mechanics, and skills, but I don't teach for free. As for your last two burps of nonsense, it sounds to me like you a) have a big belly that makes low stances a challenge (but you're ok with it as there are tons of fatties in internal martial arts) and b) don't know shit about fighting (since you obviously believe you can judge a person's fighting ability by watching them demo a form or an app). My suggestion? Try eating a salad.
@@pgskills oh someone got offended, I see..it's ok, it happens when you don't know shit..those who do know what they're doing wouldn't even be bothered by that comment..but since you don't seem to "judge" someone as I do, please do tell me what's my problem and what I need to do :)
I’m here for a similar reason as everyone else. Avatar, but it’s actually because after watching the show I thought it was cool that you could fight, you know non brutally.
Great, great. So how do I do the air scooter?
😂👍
XD
Ha ha
Only the avatar can teach u
Ask Tenzin
i wanted to learn how to be the avatar in real life.... so im looking up the martial arts that the 4 elements are based on
+TeddyBearBoy Really the Avatar is supposed to just be the ultimate Grand Master. Knowing each element (fighting style) makes you adaptable to countering just about any threat. And achieving enlightenment. While the martial arts in the show were of Chinese origin, there are splashes of Buddhist and Japanese concepts here and there.
The air bender was a bagua practitioner.
+William Robinson Airbending was based on Bagua.
Waterbending - Tai Chi
Earthbending - Hung Gar
Firebending - Northrrn Shaolin.
Toph used either Northern or Southern Praying Mantis, and the swamp and sand benders used arts closely related to those of their home element.
Toph used southern, Her footwork and arm positions were southern. As far as the op and his goal to understand these 4 arts, understand one of these arts well and I think you'll feel plenty satisfied.
@@DisturbedKid47 hung gar is my favorite of the list!
Airbending.
We get it...
Yes actually. Airbending was inspired by bagua techniques
Thirsty Aleksandr and Gentle Fist.
Using realistic applications and effective techniques, showing it in slow motion for clarity.
1:57 "Why you gotta disrepect, bro?"
Most "masters" in China have practically lost the application level of all their martial arts.
You mean self claimed masters
No the hell they didn't, It's alive, You won't see it in the US, ,, It's too difficult for US students. Most of would be kwoon attendees left after the first class. Just to brutal, of an art form and take a long time to master. Sorry to burst your bubble bruh.
Why are they showing Bagua techniques with aikido gi (hakama et al)...and with the photo of Morehei Ueshiba ( founder of aikido) in the shomen area ?
Probably because they filmed this in an Aikido dojo, and he's also an Aikidoka in addition to being a practitioner of Baguazhang? People cross-train all the time, and Aikido, and Bagua are actually pretty similar.
KillerSalmon ahhh no they're not..
Nishant Sawant maybe he is a mixed martial artist that is what mixed martial arts do
Sam Mcwindy ahhh, actually they are. You have to practice both to appreciate it. my sifu actually first practiced bagua and then aikido because he saw that there were similarities. In application, they share similarities. Not saying they're exactly alike, but similar.
Baguazhang (basics) + Daito-ryu = Aikido
In an ocean of airbender comments. People forget the hyuga 😔
This is not Baguazhang! It is Aikido.
the "body form" is not that of internal art, nor even that of traditional Chinese martial art. Because the practitioner applies the form he has developed in his discipline: Japanese style ... You can not really practice Bagua zhang without his body form, which is the foundation ...
Exactly.
Yes
Most ofo this is fake!
Wearing a karate gi like wtf
aikido . who cares what you wear, you think someone that is going to attack you is going to wait for you to change attire?
Worst Pakua form ever.
But nice demo vid.
Not hatin'...
I'm sure he's better
at Aikido,
and this is cross training to explore
the circularity of Pakua.
Totally agree
I hate seeing Chinese martial arts practitioners in Karate uniforms,, so disrespectful. Really what are you saying about Karate, respect your art.
You forgot the og name for karate was China hand
I also practice Aikido and some Bagua (8 mother palms). Sometimes during Aikido practice, the Bagua shapes do come out naturally.
As with what I imagine must he quite a few people, I first heard about bagua when reading background on Avatar (the cartoon, not blue space cats). It's interesting how delicate and graceful it can look. I'm neither of those things, so it really interests me.
That’s not ba gua. It’s the shape of ba gua. If you think that the internal arts are technical, you wind up with empty talu that don’t work very well. The amazing part of internal arts is the internal part. If you teach the internal arts, you must address the internal from the first moment. If not you’ve simply externalized them.
Tại sao mặc võ phục aikido lại đi tập chiêu thức võ của môn phái khác thật là không nên
We did a lot of this in ninjutsu. People seeing a video of us practicing couldn't understand why a guy fell down when we had hardly touched him because they were looking at the hands, not the legs.
very rare someone can combine bagua and aikido . Salute.
EXELLENT, THANK- YOU FOR SHARING😊😊😊
Good luck being quick enough to step outside of a punch and catch it. It just ain't going to happen in a real fight.
for Chinese martial arts you are dressed in Japanese martial arts suit, that is not normal if you ask me.
Tại sao aikido lại tập bát quái chưởng
MMA maybe Sir?
I recognize a lot of that!!
Is fake I Know
I'm Brazilian and there's no school that teaches this fighting style, I believe I'll have to work hard to learn the video base
Parallel: the 8 directions are seen in Ba Gua and Aiki.
What style of Bagua is this? Looks remarkably similar to ChenPanLing, but not.
Also, you're really Thor aren't you? Don't lie
So is this the video where they edited out all the explanations and things to make the actual video useful or instructional?
на ринге этот клоун ляжет спать через 5 секунд после простой двоечки в подбородок
Air bending day 1
Very well done version of turning palms!!
Living in Gothenburg, been practicing ITF taekwondo for 7 years and I really want to start practicing some kind of kung fu. The ones I find the most interesting is wing chun and ba gua. Not sure which one is best suited for me
Le Ravo I study Karate, and now I am also studying Kung-fu.
I think you should start with Wing Chun. This is because in my experience, Wing Chun and Bagua are not distinct, but actually related. Wing Chun is like the basis of Bagua, as its movements and techniques are similar, but more closed.
Think of it as a ripple in a pond from a stone dropped in. The point the stone dropped is Wing Chun, but as the ripples grow outwards (your study of the art) it moves you naturally into Bagua, and this makes it easier for you to grasp the dynamics of the art.
Hope this helps.
ITF TWD? The legit kind. Then I recommend Sanda and Shuai Jiao. I have plenty of links if you want
TKD does a lot of kicks, so Wing Chun can fill out punching.
Ryan Dravinski
I’d love to see some of those links, if you don’t mind.
@@Raynwoke They are similar in the sense that shotokan and aikido are...
Thanks for not being like others try to speak the Mandarin and completely mispronounce it. Makes us Chinese cringe in horror.
It's not for your benefit. And we have to put up with the whole world mispronouncing our language. So count yourself lucky! :)
Bu yong xie?
You miswrote your english too, what is your excuse then?
I love you all guys....you all that show the core essence....of baguazhangers and aikidokas....if A=B then B=A....
And from your explanations you ve planted seed of seeing through the veil...beyond the form...after all...all humans practice with their body n soul...the clothes are only clothes....clothes is not the martial art....
I bow in respect for this golden nugget ...a lesson to remember..
I hope you can bring more and more such comparative baguazhangers aikido and aikidokas baguazhang.
Is he acting?
Very nice work. I was guessing you'd studied aikido, and it's useful to see how some of those principles can be applied in bagua. Also loved seeing the more recognizable classical applications. Don't mess with a mechanical engineer who trains seriously in this art!
PS have you seen this true wudang master who has emerged in recent years? I've been recommending everyone serious watch his videos:
ua-cam.com/users/shortsilXWix10cZ0
ua-cam.com/video/dD0hded7X-g/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/vJz9S0IFOpM/v-deo.html
I'm going to give one critique to a true brother: my sifu would have said you can still relax more. I hope that is not unwelcome, and I recognize nearly 10 years have passed since this video. One of my all time favorite martial footage is O-Sensi when he was very very old. That's the type of relaxation my sifu is talking about. But you were still a "young guy" in this video, and nearly all of us are too tight when we're young.
airbending
I can’t hear the names of the turning postures after the big bird spreads its wings (At the end). Very curious as to the names.
well strange this is an aikido dojo isn't it ?
That's a bad lesson.
Good aikidoish analysis. I'm trying similar research with more emphasis on evasion. Btw looks like your bagua is Cheng style?
If this is Bagua to you, you need a new Shifu. His posture is aaallll kinds of wrong.
This is aikido not bagua
I am no expert. But In my opinion, the circular motions seem like Ba Gua
Darkslayer553 ... Aikido doesn't use any of those techniques.
It is Bagua, he just uses his own style..those stances do exist in Bagua and his palm seems right..there are many Bagua styles nowadays so I have no idea which one he's using..but if that guy is a practitioner of other arts too (boxing or mma) then he most definitely cannot perform the right Bagua in a real fight..his muscles must already be too stiff for Bagua and he doesn't seem to have the right flowbility for it..
@@A_leXs If that seems right to you, you need a new Shifu.
this is so so so cool. thanks for uploading 👍
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boo
Dosey-do
Explain internal kung fu, please. Do you only learn one or do you learn all three to get a complete understanding and or defense?
I'm wondering the same.
+John Hardin The second half of that doesn't make any sense to me, but I can explain internal martial arts easily enough. Internal vs External martial arts: The terms are used to describe the movements and energy application within them. External martial arts are styles like Karate that don't care about going with the flow of your opponent, they actively go against them and use muscle strength to win. They normally involve lots of striking motions and breaking joints by pushing against them (think armbars).
Internal martial arts are ones like Baguazhang or Tai Chi Quan which involve redirection of energy with very little work on your own part. They do involve strikes as well as the external arts, but are generally much more inclined to dodge or redirect an opponent than to catch their attack and break the offending limb.
Hope that helps. inb4 "*adjusts glasses* Uh, you're wrong"
Explain to a baby how to walk on two feet. Practice is the best explanation. "First you imitate the form, then you fill the form, then you discard the form."
Unless you do the breathing method known as reverse breathing and are doing the qigong that builds the connections between the various soft tissues and combine all of that with proper body mechanics driven from the dantien (all of which culminates in the skill known as Qi) then it's just a bunch of empty forms. It takes years of daily practice to build up those connections. Qi isn't life force or some pseudo-mystical BS. It's breath power. Using the breathe to drive the body. Nothing mystical about it.
Do you have to learn all three forms (taiji, xingyi, and bagua)? No. They're independent systems. Xingyi and bagua complement each other well, though, and there are systems in which they're combined.
И я занимался такой хуйней долгие годы, научился танцевать ,не больше
Очень интересно каким направлением Вы занимались и Кто был Ваш Учитель? То что мы здесь наблюдаем это породия на Багуа .Практикует Айкидо вот и практикуй , многие моменты от постановки стопы и т.д. не правильные
Eu gostei, bem legal mesmo .
Liang zhenpu style Baguazhang.
Нет это породия на БАГУАДЖАН каждый должен заниматься своим делом .
FINALLY! Some body from AIKIDO can show us it's essence!
This is not Bagua. Bagua is sooo much deeper than this.
😂😂😂😂😂
Glad to see an Aikido expert performing chinese techniques. After all i am not alone!
dont lie who else searched for this hoping they would learn airbending lmao
This wouldnt actually be effective, would it.
#bullshido
Well they're not serious benders....
How often are flips performed in this style of you can do them?
every time I flipthrow or baby slam a person who asks this question.
Be very very very very careful! Don't hurt anyone by mistake. Your stuff is real!
Naruto and Avatar-
I believe this was probably uploaded for students already aware of proper alignment when walking the circle. Most common would be mud wading step. I believe he even demonstrated proper footwork training done straight line. People remember these are this mans take away from studying and training this art. It is old yet relatively young in comparison to other martial arts. Also this art is about self cultivation as much if not more than fighting application. The chinese were very practical in using shen fa and shou fa to encourage healthy posture and awareness of ones structure.
Incorrect direction changing sir
There's alot more issues than that, but yeah. That's a start.
Baguazhang (pa kua..... etc) are all based on a set of principles. To gain the reflex is to decifer the movements taught into applications with priciples in mind. Now this gentleman's showing of bagua is his interpretation. Bagua used to require a mastery in a previous art before being taught to the new student.... and that base art was enhanced with bagua principles...alignments etc. So it's not that the arts combine.... but you enhance your foundation, and use what you have trained / reserched. By using what works for you alots you greater success in the martial side of the arts.
Nice demonstration of the basic applications,
mma and UFC is just bussines there is no art and this guy is from aikido and he knows about Pakua
I really don't think he does based on this demonstration.
hyuga style.
i just wana be like neji
same-
Finally found someone hold on to the secrets of CMA which were in the 101 fundamental
WONDERFUL EXPLANATION OF THE ONE AND THE SAME ORIGIN OF BOTH AIKIDO N BAGUAZHANG!!!!!I CAN ONLY SAY YOU HAVE MEHUM LY LAYING MY RESPECT TO YOUR EFFORT!!!A NEW SUBSCRIBER HAS JUST COME IN!
Looks like McFoo to me.
lol.. actual fighting is messy, get over it. dancing like a polish girl on ketamine is, at most, conceptual art but has nothing to do with martial arts.
John Cleese, you have a rival here for the Funny Walk Champion 2016.Honestly the foot sweeps would not trip over a fly with its legs tied.Honestly this stuff should carry a health warning.
show us how it is done then Stud.
wow xellente masta,good techniques
That first takedown is cool as f.
I kinda get triggered by this bs. It is not gonna work in a real altercation. U gonna look stupid and get hurt if u trust these techniques.
prove it.
Here for avatar and the legend of aang
nice smooth transitions between the postures.
Excellent video. I for one am always glad to see videos where aikido is cross-trained with bagua and systema
Great share H. Nice simple demonstration of small palm apps.
can you answer a few questions for me please? or +hans menk
It seems not very effectiv to use two hands, just to block one hand of the opponent. In a selfdefending situation the enemy will use both hands to attack you. If you need two hands to block one hand of the enemy, you will need a third hand to block the second hand of your enemy. For example look at 1:38. In a real fight the left hand of the "bully" will knock you out.
Handcuffs
Real Bagua is all about using one hand to control, and neutralize two.
Bagua is " Three fists, one foot"
Neji hyuuga
Real life neji
WTF was that?? He was making up that bullshido as he was going along
Or are you just ignoranto
You're obviously clueless
Nice to see those applications, but in real combat situation, you need power to support those techniques. The main problem for martial art practitioners nowadays that they don't have enough power, they just maintain techniques as their training seems like dancing rather than martial arts. I'm used to practice and repeat hundred times only on single technique until achieve one deadly strike
Not really good bagua... Just being honest
You probably shouldn't judge on a vid about elementary apps for the static palms in his system. Go watch the vid of him doing 16 palm changes. Might revise your opinion.
PG Skills ... Can you post a link to his 16 palm changes?
@@pgskills you think Bagua is only having the right palm and the nice change between them? Bagua is so much more than stances..this guy seems too stiff to even be able to do Bagua in a real fight..
@@A_leXs I could tell you the reasons that I think this guy has good Bagua knowledge, mechanics, and skills, but I don't teach for free. As for your last two burps of nonsense, it sounds to me like you a) have a big belly that makes low stances a challenge (but you're ok with it as there are tons of fatties in internal martial arts) and b) don't know shit about fighting (since you obviously believe you can judge a person's fighting ability by watching them demo a form or an app).
My suggestion? Try eating a salad.
@@pgskills oh someone got offended, I see..it's ok, it happens when you don't know shit..those who do know what they're doing wouldn't even be bothered by that comment..but since you don't seem to "judge" someone as I do, please do tell me what's my problem and what I need to do :)
I’m here for a similar reason as everyone else. Avatar, but it’s actually because after watching the show I thought it was cool that you could fight, you know non brutally.
baguazhang is murderous and vicious and horrible in application.