As muslims we should be extremely skeptical of any software or organization attempting to use technology or "AI" to generate fatwas. The first thing taught when modeling classifiers is, "garbage in, garbage out".
i personally used it for sometime for asking technical questions about my field of engineering until i realize AI aka glorified digital parrots constantly get everything wrong and does not understand context even with highly specific prompts and the most hilarious part is once you point out something inaccurate in their response they will inevitably respond with even more inaccurate attempts at corrections
Ai can never give fatwas. A Sahih hadith says that Knowledge will be taken away when the scholars are taken away from the earth. The books and references will still be there, but the Prophet Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam said that knowledge will be taken away when scholars are taken away by Allah. Scholars are human. Giving a fatwa isn't just regurgitation, it is a spiritual matter. As for flowers on graves, what is Haram in that? I am no scholar, so this isn't a fatwa, but Abu Darda ra narrates that the Prophet Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam said, "Whatever Allah has permitted in His Book is halal, whatever He has forbidden is haram, and anything over which there is silence is pardoned. So accept the pardon of Allah, for Allah cannot be forgetful.' Then he recited the verse, "And your Lord is never forgetful. (19:64) [Imam Haythami in Majma uz zawaid 1:171 hadith no. 794]
What if you train the model to look at the Prophetic approach and ask the right questions? And scholars can be taken away still, in this case, AI model shuts down, memory get's corrupt etc... I am not saying one way or the other. Does it solve a problem that we do see in our communities, yes it does. Do all the our imams use the spiritual matter into account, no! so what's difference between them and the language learning model. For more advance scholars, agreed, that can never be replicated. But predictions can be done based on existing material and perhaps we look into a way to have it supervised. I would like to do a research on this and see how many Imams across 1000 some institutions in the U.S. truly understands the approach you are talking about. To replace them with AI, I honestly see some good so those Imams do better and get better because of this competition.
@@BrHassan disagree. Any advancement research for making/replicating/doing shariah/deen using AI is way worst thing imaginable. It's unlikely to get closer to Allah and His Prophet, but getting closer to fitnah that you making yourself. Knowledge especially in shariah and deen is sacred. Just imagine your grandchildern leaving scholars and sticking to AI for their deen. Also syaithan never rest to whispers.
@@BrHassanImam and scholars is human to 'protect' and 'call' their 'ummah' from fitnah (REAL Imam and Scholars I'm saying). They close to God and Prophets even they're making mistakes. Hadith said "Scholars from my ummah is like Nabi for Bani Israeel". It's not about the Imam who need compete, it's not like normal profession,Scholars can criticize other in nurturing ummah. But It's about the ummah to follow them. If you make AI you only make ummah in confusion and doubts
What a strange proposed benefit of the AI promo video: “to not embarrass yourself in front of the imam”. Arent we supposed to turn to our imams when it comes to questions of knowledge of Islam? Isn’t that the point of an imam?
It’s interesting that the marketing appeals to a potential customer’s sense of embarrassment and fragile ego: “use our product so you don’t embarrass yourself”. This also pushes modern individualism and atomisation deeper, using technology as a prosthetic to that end; people should know that God didn’t intend that for them, but to build and duly regard social capital. A sense of honour and embarrassment is part and parcel of the human condition. We can’t outmanoeuvre God’s decreed pattern of life for us. I would argue that this is a mainstay of the human fitrah; as a species we exist in colonies, not as individuated specimens.
People need to stop mixing deen with AI tbh. This is getting too far. After that, are we will compete to make new AI for certain madzhab, sects, and regional? AI don't think as we do, deen shariah need spiritual matters. Don't submit your deen to the one who don't even see, hear, think, live, let alone sujud. In Quran, 1 out of 22 words of يعقلون is used for heart. Others for heart is يفقهون, يسمعون, etc. May Allah protect our deen, deen of our family, children, grand children, ummah from fitnah.
Trusting AI blindly with anything is a bad idea. Even if they're specifically train the AI with fatwa from all trusted source, the AI still could mix it up in the outputting process which effectively accidentally creating a new fatwa and most people couldn't tell which is the actual fatwa that is made by human or AI because they don't have enough knowledge to do so. I think it's better to just ask for the source of the fatwa themselves and go read about the fatwa there.
We shouldn't assume that outright. We should never assume that all salafis somehow anthropomorphize Allah. I've seen many salafis who outright deny and decry such errors in belief.
Unlike the Musyabbihah and the Mujassimah who clearly anthropomorphize Allah no sugar coating, these Talafiyyah do too but vaguely. So we can’t give the same ruling for the latter as how we did with the former. Allah has a hand like ours (Mujassimah/Musyabbihah) Allah has a hand but not like ours (Talafiyyah) - vague, is that Tajsim/Tasybih or no? Allah has a Yad (Ash’ari-Maturidi)
@mrmane2000 What do they teach in the masajid they dominate? Some of them have grown to a more nuanced opinion? Great. Are they going to stop praying for the anthropomorph whose books they study from are they going to stop over praising him? Are they going to continue to quote him in preference to the giant imam who are referred to by consensus... if so, they won't hear any objection from me. Having delt with them for 25 years, though, I don't think they'll move far from where they've been.
@@ShareefusMaximus You've just proven that if your focus is in finding the wrongs in others, you will surely find it very easily. If your focus is to right your own wrongs, it takes a lot more effort because it's hard for people to see their own faults. Unfortunately too many people focus on the first one and ignore the second. Not pointing fingers at you. This advise is as much for myself as it is for everyone else.
People using AI for this stuff are just so dumb, they think the plagiarism machine cares about accuracy, no it does not, its job is to provide you a mish mash of data it is trained on, accurate or not. I see people asking spiritual and existence of God type of questions to GenAI then making posts about it as if its something special coming from AI, just so dumb.
Why is this even a question ? It is an individual preference that has nothing to do with can we or can we not!! I mean come on. If I want to put flowers thats Allahs creation I will do it. Why even ask such question ?
@OttoTalksAi im a 90s kid, but my statement is backed by the truthful dreams which Allah shows us, ai will be used by dajjal, and the true muslims will not have access to it, so i guess, enjoy it for now, but its not the future because electricity will take a major hit soon lol
@OttoTalksAi but while saying the above i acknowledge that the dreams are not an evidence for yourself as you have not seen our dreams, if that makes sense, so take my statement with a pinch of salt lol
The ulema should be consistent and not use it either. It is bida and not appropriate for Islam. They shouldn't use it for translation or fatwa or anything. Otherwise they stand no place in telling laymen not to use it.
Shaykh Ibn Baz said: That is not prescribed in Islam, rather it is bid’ah (an innovation), because the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) only placed the palm-leaf stalk on the two graves of the people whose torment he was made aware of; he did not place them on any other graves. From that we know that it is not permissible to put them on graves, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever introduces anything into this matter of ours (Islam) that is not part of it, will have it rejected.” According to a version narrated by Muslim: “Whoever does anything that is not part of this matter of ours (Islam), will have it rejected.”
Chatgbt is much better , and chatgbt actually quotes scholars like Baz and ibn uthaimeen LOL, but you need to be more specific like for example (what do Sunni athari Islam say about eating seafood)
@@its2eezy That's actually a very good description of what AI does. It has no actual intelligence. AI is nothing more than a "statistical machine" that takes enormous amounts of data and outputs a result which has the highest likelihood to agree with most people the data is extracted from. People making this mistake often base their misunderstanding of AI from their own experiences with AI chatbots, i.e. "I could swear that a human somewhere in the world is typing that response".
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As muslims we should be extremely skeptical of any software or organization attempting to use technology or "AI" to generate fatwas. The first thing taught when modeling classifiers is, "garbage in, garbage out".
i personally used it for sometime for asking technical questions about my field of engineering until i realize AI aka glorified digital parrots constantly get everything wrong and does not understand context even with highly specific prompts
and the most hilarious part is once you point out something inaccurate in their response they will inevitably respond with even more inaccurate attempts at corrections
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Ai can never give fatwas. A Sahih hadith says that Knowledge will be taken away when the scholars are taken away from the earth. The books and references will still be there, but the Prophet Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam said that knowledge will be taken away when scholars are taken away by Allah. Scholars are human. Giving a fatwa isn't just regurgitation, it is a spiritual matter.
As for flowers on graves, what is Haram in that? I am no scholar, so this isn't a fatwa, but Abu Darda ra narrates that the Prophet Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam said, "Whatever Allah has permitted in His Book is halal, whatever He has forbidden is haram, and anything over which there is silence is pardoned. So accept the pardon of Allah, for Allah cannot be forgetful.' Then he recited the verse, "And your Lord is never forgetful. (19:64) [Imam Haythami in Majma uz zawaid 1:171 hadith no. 794]
What if you train the model to look at the Prophetic approach and ask the right questions? And scholars can be taken away still, in this case, AI model shuts down, memory get's corrupt etc...
I am not saying one way or the other. Does it solve a problem that we do see in our communities, yes it does. Do all the our imams use the spiritual matter into account, no! so what's difference between them and the language learning model. For more advance scholars, agreed, that can never be replicated. But predictions can be done based on existing material and perhaps we look into a way to have it supervised.
I would like to do a research on this and see how many Imams across 1000 some institutions in the U.S. truly understands the approach you are talking about. To replace them with AI, I honestly see some good so those Imams do better and get better because of this competition.
@@BrHassan disagree. Any advancement research for making/replicating/doing shariah/deen using AI is way worst thing imaginable. It's unlikely to get closer to Allah and His Prophet, but getting closer to fitnah that you making yourself. Knowledge especially in shariah and deen is sacred. Just imagine your grandchildern leaving scholars and sticking to AI for their deen. Also syaithan never rest to whispers.
@@BrHassanImam and scholars is human to 'protect' and 'call' their 'ummah' from fitnah (REAL Imam and Scholars I'm saying). They close to God and Prophets even they're making mistakes.
Hadith said "Scholars from my ummah is like Nabi for Bani Israeel".
It's not about the Imam who need compete, it's not like normal profession,Scholars can criticize other in nurturing ummah. But It's about the ummah to follow them. If you make AI you only make ummah in confusion and doubts
@@BrHassan
La Hawla wala Quwwata illa billah
What a strange proposed benefit of the AI promo video: “to not embarrass yourself in front of the imam”. Arent we supposed to turn to our imams when it comes to questions of knowledge of Islam? Isn’t that the point of an imam?
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i have a bad feeling of where ai is heading
We return to Dust. What we need is us being a heavenly flower in our graves.
It’s interesting that the marketing appeals to a potential customer’s sense of embarrassment and fragile ego: “use our product so you don’t embarrass yourself”.
This also pushes modern individualism and atomisation deeper, using technology as a prosthetic to that end; people should know that God didn’t intend that for them, but to build and duly regard social capital. A sense of honour and embarrassment is part and parcel of the human condition. We can’t outmanoeuvre God’s decreed pattern of life for us. I would argue that this is a mainstay of the human fitrah; as a species we exist in colonies, not as individuated specimens.
I don’t know if you’ve done a video on it but, do you think you can do a video on Islam and AI.
Masha allah
I asked ChatGPT for the quote or reference to a Hadith I wanted to find and it just made up a number 😂
JazzakAllahukhayran sheikh where can we find the hadith from buraidah?
People need to stop mixing deen with AI tbh. This is getting too far.
After that, are we will compete to make new AI for certain madzhab, sects, and regional?
AI don't think as we do, deen shariah need spiritual matters. Don't submit your deen to the one who don't even see, hear, think, live, let alone sujud.
In Quran, 1 out of 22 words of يعقلون is used for heart. Others for heart is يفقهون, يسمعون, etc.
May Allah protect our deen, deen of our family, children, grand children, ummah from fitnah.
Shaikpls explain who is grand fathers of Prophets Muhamed' sal'Alih' wassalam,?they Are muslims? Ect...
Trusting AI blindly with anything is a bad idea. Even if they're specifically train the AI with fatwa from all trusted source, the AI still could mix it up in the outputting process which effectively accidentally creating a new fatwa and most people couldn't tell which is the actual fatwa that is made by human or AI because they don't have enough knowledge to do so. I think it's better to just ask for the source of the fatwa themselves and go read about the fatwa there.
"I don't want to fight with another Muslim." Is an anthropomorph a Muslim, though?
We shouldn't assume that outright. We should never assume that all salafis somehow anthropomorphize Allah. I've seen many salafis who outright deny and decry such errors in belief.
Unlike the Musyabbihah and the Mujassimah who clearly anthropomorphize Allah no sugar coating, these Talafiyyah do too but vaguely. So we can’t give the same ruling for the latter as how we did with the former.
Allah has a hand like ours (Mujassimah/Musyabbihah)
Allah has a hand but not like ours (Talafiyyah) - vague, is that Tajsim/Tasybih or no?
Allah has a Yad (Ash’ari-Maturidi)
We can say that only if the guy did vocalize anthropomorphic statements, but yes, tajseem is kufr. Lets be careful and not assume things however
@mrmane2000 What do they teach in the masajid they dominate? Some of them have grown to a more nuanced opinion? Great. Are they going to stop praying for the anthropomorph whose books they study from are they going to stop over praising him? Are they going to continue to quote him in preference to the giant imam who are referred to by consensus... if so, they won't hear any objection from me. Having delt with them for 25 years, though, I don't think they'll move far from where they've been.
@@ShareefusMaximus You've just proven that if your focus is in finding the wrongs in others, you will surely find it very easily. If your focus is to right your own wrongs, it takes a lot more effort because it's hard for people to see their own faults. Unfortunately too many people focus on the first one and ignore the second. Not pointing fingers at you. This advise is as much for myself as it is for everyone else.
People using AI for this stuff are just so dumb, they think the plagiarism machine cares about accuracy, no it does not, its job is to provide you a mish mash of data it is trained on, accurate or not.
I see people asking spiritual and existence of God type of questions to GenAI then making posts about it as if its something special coming from AI, just so dumb.
Why is this even a question ? It is an individual preference that has nothing to do with can we or can we not!! I mean come on. If I want to put flowers thats Allahs creation I will do it. Why even ask such question ?
Ai is the future regardless of if people like it just like tech! Instead of playing catch-up with tech get with Ai and be there before deviant groups
No it's not lol. 🤣
@ you probably said that about tech in 1980s
@OttoTalksAi im a 90s kid, but my statement is backed by the truthful dreams which Allah shows us, ai will be used by dajjal, and the true muslims will not have access to it, so i guess, enjoy it for now, but its not the future because electricity will take a major hit soon lol
@OttoTalksAi but while saying the above i acknowledge that the dreams are not an evidence for yourself as you have not seen our dreams, if that makes sense, so take my statement with a pinch of salt lol
@ what are you on about speak properly not in code! Also stop assuming about me
The ulema should be consistent and not use it either. It is bida and not appropriate for Islam. They shouldn't use it for translation or fatwa or anything. Otherwise they stand no place in telling laymen not to use it.
Nani
Like I commented in that original video: DEOBANDIS WILL HATE THIS ANSWER!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
But they will still put flowers on the graves of their elders
Aqqal GPT is the only chatbot which seems to acknowledge its faults and experimental nature
It's more like a salafi.AI😂😂😂
Shaykh Ibn Baz said:
That is not prescribed in Islam, rather it is bid’ah (an innovation), because the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) only placed the palm-leaf stalk on the two graves of the people whose torment he was made aware of; he did not place them on any other graves. From that we know that it is not permissible to put them on graves, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever introduces anything into this matter of ours (Islam) that is not part of it, will have it rejected.” According to a version narrated by Muslim: “Whoever does anything that is not part of this matter of ours (Islam), will have it rejected.”
Didnt u watch the video?
Chatgbt is much better , and chatgbt actually quotes scholars like Baz and ibn uthaimeen LOL, but you need to be more specific like for example (what do Sunni athari Islam say about eating seafood)
Taking your deen from ai is a terrible idea 100% of the time
I primarily use ChatGPT for Arabic definitions, but it's not perfect either. Please don't affirm or re-affirm fatawa using AI 😅
@@alif1217same for ibn Baz and ibn Uthaymeen lol
@@alif1217using chat gpt to find certain Hadiths is really good
@@its2eezy That's actually a very good description of what AI does. It has no actual intelligence. AI is nothing more than a "statistical machine" that takes enormous amounts of data and outputs a result which has the highest likelihood to agree with most people the data is extracted from. People making this mistake often base their misunderstanding of AI from their own experiences with AI chatbots, i.e. "I could swear that a human somewhere in the world is typing that response".