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"I debate my equals and lecture all others"
- John Henrick Clarke
I only debate my equals. All others, I teach.
BOOM!!!!!
@@audioditions that's basically the same thing he said
@@gboogie360 When you quote someone you don't quote "basically say the same thing he said"🤣. That's exactly how misinformation spreads. You either quote the same thing or don't. I didn't viciously attack the original poster's comment. I quietly posted the correct phrasing and moved on. You should do the same.
@@audioditions that exact quote came to my mind as well. Thank you.
"Even in a fools conversation there's a gem." That's a whole bar!
Real shit
But why go to a copper mine, when there's a silver mine right next door
@@krystilla no one said anything about going out your way to talk to fools. It's actually easier to find a fool than the a wise person.
Realist shit I ever heard 💯
Facts!!! BUT. He’s being too political about it seeing as though he’s a producer. He doesn’t want to insult anybody by calling them trash, because he’d be jeopardizing a potential bag. Keep in the source of where that statement came from.
"If you're not appealing to intelligence anymore...what are you advocating..?" Damn, Math was spot on with this
Exactly!!!!!!!
Math was speaking out his ass. He raps about killing and drugs selling. That's being bias just because he don't like the new era music.
Saw this comment exactly when he said it
Thank you. They are all speaking in ignorance. They need to keep it 100 and go back to school
Many rappers aren’t thinking of what they are advocating. Sales,ego,wealth,status,popularity etc
At the end of the day, it's all an opinion. As a consumer, u have the right to voice your opinion on what u like and don't like.
This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can have that right. But don’t expect to escape the conversation or consequences of what you say.
@Matt Boogie What are some of these rules? Just curious.
You cannot do something for a living and still have an expert opinion as a super passionate HipHop head who has well over 10,000 hours over the last 30+ years if you will. I get what he’s saying if someone isn’t knowledgeable at all, but there are plenty of ppl who live and breath HipHop who absolutely know their shit as much as an editor does as well. It’s a small % of ppl, but we exist! Expert opinions def exist outside of ppl who do it for a living.
You can also be an "expert" and be wrong
*"I've been eating since before I was born. I would NEVER pop sh!+ to a chef!!!!" 🔥🔥🔥🔥*
His analogy was terrible though. Can he argue with the chef over what is good food? possibly not, can he argue with a chef over what food he likes, of course.
@@Footballer85749 that’s what they were talking about bro lol . Is the food good or trash. Not what they individually like
@@Footballer85749 you obviously missed the point...
@@kingofcomments1917 Yes I said his analogy was poor not that he was wrong.
“Qualified opinions” can be bought, swayed and bias.
Indeed. Word to the CDC, FDA, pharmaceutical industry, corporate media handpicked "experts" and "consultants" etc. I like this show and some of these convos, but there's alot of fake deepness involved, and narrow worldviews.
Real talk
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I dont think he was talking bout them mofos
@@Poetryforstoners 😂
Math a genius these the convos that need to happen more often
Aye math I know you ain’t getting no money right now G go to sleep I’m in Korea I know it’s like 3 in the morning over there lol
#johnnyx100
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These conversations are gems!!
Y'all missed prob the most important point. One of the validating points aspects of hip hop is the "I came from nothing and made everything".
"I sold kilos of coke, I'm guessing I can sell cds"- Hov
"Started from the bottom now we here"- Drake
Was born rough and rugged, addressin’ the mass public/My attitude was “fuck it,” ‘cause motherfuckers love it-Pac
A lot of the newer era of rappers didn't have that come up. Their "look at me now" or "I dont give a fuck" moment is them being reckless-look at me I can get tats on my face, I drink lean and smoke blunts until I die, I got 100 shooters, etc
And then combine that with the fact that the internet doesn't have an A&R. There's no filter, you wanna put out a half finished song with a beat that sounds like _____, you can. And they do. And over time, this has brought the quality way down.
That's what you're talking about when you say something is trash. Just like food, there's a straight up quality aspect to it that you can't deny. You bring me Greek food and if you didn't use the right ingredients, I don't care who you are, Imma call it trash bc it is. And I have done that at acclaimed restaurants bc my grandma is an OG greek cook. It's not that I like only her food. It's that she has like 1000 years of tried and tested methods to get the best quality product.
Hip hop is more difficult bc there are elements that can easily mixed up. Well, this beat goes hard, he's still rhyming, the artist seems like they got swagger. But someone that knows better will say "ok now put that up against this Timbaland production feat Jadakiss from 98 and let's see what it really is". And there will be an obvious difference.
But even when that happens, you will still get a lot of people that prefer the Lil Pumps of the world bc they are just engrained in low quality shit. That's what is comfortable for them.
I wrote a book. If you made it this far, props.
Underrated comment, fam. I'll give you your dap.
You are speaking PURE FACTS bro...
You have just delivered the most BALANCED message on this issue with regards to this comment section.
You earned the like, those don’t read just sleep
Love being a fly on the wall of these conversations. Whole lot of knowledge being passed down and exchanged
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Great discussion. Not easy. All points valid here. What’s great about this one is that this is about exploring what it means to have a conversation about something that is supposed to have artistic value, and how that can be calibrated in different ways. Props to all participants.
Hoffa, this is why I go to bat for you and have been doing so for years. You are one of the greatest battlerappers to ever do it. Your intellect is absolutely astonishing. You are very observant and I don't care who hates you or hates on you because of their insecurities that you may have exposed in them, personally, whether they admit it or not, and it has causes them to hate you as well as their fans, I have always said you may be the most HONEST rapper we've ever seen. I learned long ago that you are BIG on honesty, no matter how much much bad you've done, gangsta you are, you are the epitome of HONESTY. Kudos to you bro. This was a beautiful segment of the show, very intellectual. Loved it dearly bro. Keep up the amazing work fam.
We tend to quickly dismiss, shun, prejudge and question things that are unfamiliar to us. Music is very personal, it's also regional and environmental. There are many factors to why certain types of sounds are appealing to certain areas. All of this can lead to biases in your taste and acceptance of music outside of your immediate proximity. Basically put, one man's trash is another man's treasure
Facts
Bro arguing subjective vs objective. Yeah you can’t argue with a pilot about flying because most of that is objective. Anything tha has to do with art, no matter if it be culinary or music, is a SUBJECTIVE opinion. Being more “qualified”, although also extremely subjective, doesn’t make your OPINION on the beauty of the art any more valid than the next persons.
It isn't completely subjective though that's the thing. This art also involves a technical skill.
@@Dezzyyx yes, and @Quawn the “objective” is to rhyme well over a beat and have the skill to say relatable even incredible things.
@@Poundz978 also writing and all the technical aspects
@@Dezzyyx Yeah, you can critique the technical aspects of it, but when it comes down to one's personal taste of what they enjoy, it's subjective then.
And yeah, there can be objective qualifiers to who people like (by way of album/single sales), but that doesn't mean to an individual that a particular piece of art or artist will be liked.
@@nybxcrotona Yeah, I'm not saying that. Just in terms how you are qualified to label a work as "trash" based on how you feel about it. It can trash to you, but your subjective experience does not objectively make it trash. That is the problem when people yell trash trash. Because they are not saying "I think it is trash", they are out here wanting everyone to hear how this is trash, why else would their purpose of sharing be.
"Even in a fools conversation there's a gem"
Unrelated but just want to say that I consider an entire foolish conversation a gem. Because people tend to end it too quickly if they feel it doesn't get anywhere or it becomes too frustrating. The best conversations/arguments I've had and heard are when no one knows where it will go and where it will end, it can be about anything with or without relations and the transitions/segways between subjects can be quick, smooth, bumpy, weird etc and at any point you can talk about something another person may feel inclined to jump in and add perspective/opinion. It's up to everyone involved to spin it further and keep it moving. If it's a subject everyone knows that's easy, because you know what to talk about, how to formulate and articulate. Nothing like an engaging random, unpredictable (in both subject and emotion) and aimless discussion ;)
Talk just to talk and go on a verbal adventure :)
What does that have to do with speaking to a fool and speaking to a wise man..
_"Great music" is in the ear of the belistener._
People old enough to remember know that the generation before hip hop thought all hip hop was trash. Before hip hop, all musical artists needed to know how to read music and play an instrument or sing. Mixing, sampling, and speaking over music was considered a trend and a lower art form. It is hypocritical to gatekeep the evolution of the art just because it is now a mainstream art form.
I don’t think anyone is “gatekeeping” here. I see it as asking the younger generation, Where is your creativity and why are you not putting in the work to make a better track? If Hip Hop has evolved, then it means that it’s changing but how can that be the case if a rapper is going to say “yea” after every bar or say: Gucci man or Gucci Gang or whatever, 10 or 15 times in a row? Where’s the creativity in that? Or why is every rapper named “Lil”? You mean to tell me that the youth cannot even be creative with stage names? Everyone copying each other? That’s the accepted medium now? The older generation is now disrespectfully called “Old Heads” now? For checking the youth and asking that they invest in the culture of Hip Hop?
Nahhh I’m sorry bro but they don’t get a pass. They don’t get to come into the game that’s been established for years, create trash content and get pass on it. No way. If everyone took this approach of laziness to everything subject matter, the world would be a pretty screwed up place.
@@Bcilloz facts well said
Music theory is an objective system of measurement for music. There is a huge amount of subjectivity within that system, but the boundaries are like tolerances for structural engineering where past those boundaries the structure fails.
People who say "no music is trash" are usually people who don't have any real standards. Tekashi 69, Soulja Boy and Blueface are prime examples of trash music no matter how you try to justify it.
it’s really all subjective. You can think something trash but others gon love it. They got a huge following for a reason.
@@barekvaughn8459 you just gotta be able to tell the truth. I watched a movie recently where all I coild pick out were the negatives in it. So i knew it wasnt really that good was just okay but weirdly enough i really liked it. You can say objectively this aint it but for some reason i am feeling it. Like seeing a girl lol she aint that pretty but for some reason you attracted to her. It happens
as he said, just say its not for me. some even think music outside hip hop is trash, but we all know it aint
It’s like food. Some people eat dogs, some eat monkey brains. It’s all depends on your taste… it’s some super lyrical dogs who can’t make a good song the masses want to listen to.
I don't listen to either of them but they have millions of fans that love their music
Art is subjective. Your amount of time critiquing people does NOT constitute FACTS.
The funny thing is, is that there's little objective scale you can utilize for art. You can appreciate technique, or context, but sometimes the little details is what the audience appreciates.
@@nybxcrotona BIG FACTS
Art is subjective but skill and technique aren't. So if you go take a painting class there are rules to it. Contours etc. When it comes to rhyming it's poetry. How does one use the language. Metaphors, entendres etc. This is to their point. If you are there as a laymen then you like what you like. But if you're trained in something then it's not just the appeal to the senses it's how effectively does one use the skill set that either built or helped push the Art form forward.
@@WHG369 Sure, there is skill and technique within lyricism. But think on how difficult it is for there to be official judging in battle rap, and how those results are contested often as well by fans, and other battle rappers.
That's why at best we can all agree when a battler reaches for a bar, but we aren't in unison to decide if the bar was fire or not.
@Matt Boogie From that guy's perspective, it's trash to you. How is the opinion of the unaware not valid, if it comes down to the appreciation of the music?
That's like saying the opinion of the casual coffee drinker is invalid compared to the barista because they like to add extra sugar to their coffee.
If you want to talk specifically on the technical aspects, sure. Your opinion on that may weigh greater than others, but when it comes down to appreciation of the art as a whole, your opinion is worth as much as anyone's, because then it's personal taste.
just because you were privileged to get an opportunity to critique from a professional level does not mean anybody may or not be qualified to make a formidable statement that may or may not be the majority...
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Good conversation but most so called artists out there is only doing music to get paid. It's not artistry, its formula. That's why you have trends.
If u can't say a rappers music is trash,whether ya own opinion or agreed upon the majority, then u can't say a certain rapper is the best.
It’s purely subjective, but you have a majority opinion on either or
that’s a weird thing to say
Exactly dudes bugging just making excuses
This is becoming my favorite podcast. Its dope that everyone can say something. I’ve learned a lot from this podcast.
My man’s analogy about the pilot and the chef and all that shit is completely off. Just because you’ve flown a lot does not mean that you can have a conversation with a pilot about the technical aspects of flying. Now if the pilot sit down with you and wanted to talk about experiences flying and what you thought about certain aspects of flying, you could have that conversation with him all day. Because you work or worked at the source magazine, does not make you a music aficionado on what everyone else likes. Obviously, most of the rappers that people consider trash have fans that spend their money on their music. Music is a 20 lane fucking highway. It’s all about staying in yours.
Agreed. There's a confusion between the technical and artistic aspects of art. A chef shit on you all day if you burn your food, but if you like your steaks drenched in bbq sauce and sauerkraut, what can the chef say?
I'm glad someone is using logic! :)
@Matt Boogie You’re making this into a technical reasoning of how and why people listen to music. He’s calling the music that he doesn’t like trash. It’s just trash to him . Some of it may be trash to me as well. But that’s just opinions and there is no qualification that allows you to stamp anything as such. I think it’s you that’s missing the point.
Yea dude is buggin, thinking he knows what is trash and not trash. Arrogance at its finest
I completed disagree with you. Music is a 10000 lane fucking highway but rap music is a one lane one way road.
This was a great conversation and as a music lover all of it resonates with me. Great debate.
Salute Math! I thoroughly enjoy the discussions. Dope of you saluting stic man, the man gets lil to no recognition for continually putting out movement music..RBG luv!
At the end of the day, it’s fair to say that the most talented artist are the ones who end up defeating the.. cool down when leaving their era’s microwave. The only artist from the 70s and before that are recognized and STUDIED today are the most talented example: Johnny cash, the Beatles, queen, Rakim, the temptations. So when it comes to long-term plays, talent matters; that’s a fact that is way overlooked in the industry today imo.
Beethoven wasn’t the most requested musician in the taverns of 1800s Vienna. Yet he is the most respected musician in the world today, with 5 million monthly listeners on Spotify.
“Casuals” is the favorite word of every “expert” in any field 2020-2021
Brother with the red hat.
Much respect
Brother with the locks talks like an entitle white man with expectations. Very arrogant and emotional.
Peace to all your brothers
He's not entitled at all.
music is music its opionated dont matter who qualified or who casual they gon like what they like. trash is opionated.
Yes sir and it's still trash 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Of course it matters
I am truly appreciating hearing the OGs speak . This has become one of my favorite shows to watch on You tube . Excellent job Gentleman
Even casual fans might have 10k hours. Something can be trash in certain areas: like lyricism, production. But if a song can convey a feeling with one word, 'Please' James Brown. Isn't that the definition of genius?
You most definitely can consider some music trash. If no music is trash EVERBODY would make it
I believe that “making it”, is subject. Some artists simply just want to be heard. Not all artist care about the $. As long as they get to make the art that they want compared to making record label forced songs they are happy because sometimes the label wants a artist to put out a song that they don’t like. Yeah it may make the $, but it could be the song that they do not like.
It’s always been the one man’s trash is another man’s treasure.
Shampoo just had this same conversation with a caller and space ghost
I have to give major props to how this short convo was edited because to me its proof of how hiphop is one of the last places were we are able to argue eachothers valid ways of showing love.
Allow me to expand: while most of the world has had to adapt to only learn how to debate [1 side has to be right] instead of discuss [mutual truth finding sub/objectively] here we see these 2* gentlemen both approaching a different angle but more importantly Listenening (*4). The so called truth/facts can exist paralel and I wonder how many people these days recognize how unique this has become in general..
And offcourse Math threw in a haymaker question to zero in even more
Much love from EU 🇦🇷🇱🇺
Low Vibration Encourages indulgence... Math Hoffa
I need to be in that convo because nobody saying what needs to be said. He’s buggin to say nobody can say what’s trash. There’s trash out here but I ain’t gonna break shit down in comments
If you were to name some artist who trash who you think are trash
Would love to hear your opinion. It's from a standpoint of what you look for in a song . I can see what your saying if you are judging a song purely off the essence of Hip-Hop (dope beats, lyrics, story telling etc). Then you not going like alot of music (even though some of them niggas be spitting). But my problem, but people purely judge a song that is specifically for partying ,vibing like its suppose to be the most lyrical thing. My top 6 Mc's of all time are Nas, Rakim, Jay, Big, Pac and Scarface. But I love Future, Gucci Mane, some mumble rap (not all) especially in the club environment. But Im one of those people who loves music in all era's. When it comes to who is the best rapper, I don't put certain people in that conversation even if I love they music.
The way I look at it is that people are skilled in other places were people aren't. AZ had a club song on AWOL and it was the worst club song ever (Still Alive). Nas has some good club songs , but he is some blunders.
@@jman1562001 645AR is Trash no debate needed
There's mega-trash out here, landfills.
I’m tired of people trying to dictate how music should sound so they can feel better about they’re music/what they like
I respect dude that said you can't call music trash! Love it bruh
IMO, I think music is a GENERATION thing!…most people like the music they grew up hearing the most (from childhood to about young adult age), rarely ever do you hear someone say “the music now is better than my Generation” 🤷🏾♂️
Well put
Same like sports. NFL/NBA to be more specific
All facts..my parents said they couldn't understand my music..also didn't like the way we dressed..so it's all a generational thing
Yes cus when u hear certain music u came up on... The nostalgia bring back memories of what u was going thru n doing at dat time.... Cus the one thing we don't like to admit is even in the golden era of the 90s n da foundation of the 80s we had abc rap.... The first song in hip hop history that was major rappers delight was simplistic rap n plus it was ghost written.... We even had mumble rap in da 90s wit das efx n everyone using dat flow from Jay z to etc..... N even one of our greatest lyricist did a mumble rap song before the phrase was made, black thought from the roots with saying nothing....
True. But what about R & B. Who's fucking with Marvin Gay, Curtis Mayfield, Earth Wind & Fire...etc. Compared to Case, 112, Neo. That music was/is better than today's R & B. Hip-Hop. If you can tell me that the lyrics weren't better and the production more creative, then you just don't understand then. I've converted many millinials & Gen Z heads over from some BS tunes they had. #Facts
That's what I've been saying.. there's is no more balance in hip hop
Yo Math broke that shit down so easily....
What’s trash is relative to the person who is judging
Old school rappers thought that Tupac and biggie was trash
If a rapper sounds like 1000 rappers that sound exactly the same as he does then that's 999 trash rappers. This is a fact. Also this is not up for debate. 💯
That’s funny u say that cuz how do all rappers sound
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You not qualified ( beans voice ) lol
@@Hiphop_Love ion wanna be lmfao 🤣 da fuck
Opinions aren’t facts 🤷🏻♂️
There is definitely trash music. People lack skills and ability that equates to greatness within that style of music. There are definitely levels and degrees to everything, including music. If you want to euphamise good, bad, trash, skillful, etc. At least say there's high and low levels. That's just the truth.
But some demographic is buying that trash music , never heard a artist come out and sell 100 units of music , can't be 5 million people who enjoy mumble raps in the world , even if the label helps push sales
@@atrain2345 And it's still trash
@Matt Boogie these mfs ain’t got the intellect to make or appreciate art😆😂🤣😭 a lot of people below the Mason Dixon mentally are in the 1700’s!
This is a good conversation 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿 I’m pretty sure ALOT of people remember songs like Self Destruction or We are the World and you would say those are probably Low vibration songs but because of the high vibration content being rapped or sung it reached large amounts of people around the Globe ..But there are different levels of Writing and Performing but if you can’t lower and raise your Qualified ear to understand what’s being spoken or presented how can you say you have a Qualified ear ? That’s the reason why there is a volume control button some songs need to be played at a certain high level in order to be understood better but when you lower the volume you can’t really enjoy it so you automatically say this is garbage 🗑 Personally if I can’t understand it I’m a ask someone who can before I draw a full conclusion.The truth is Low vibration songs get written continuously because that’s what people see visually and capture from there environments 👉🏿 to be able to write a high vibration song or rap you would truthfully have to use your imagination more than your visual sight because you don’t see high vibration topics daily where you Live to write about ✍🏾
Music is about feeling...that's why it started with just a voice then the drum etc..
criticism is important in order to push artists towards their maximum potential. And again fans should take things with a grain of salt, thinking someone's critique/opinion is concrete truth is something us as fans should learn to avoid, I remember I had that problem and I was able to be conscious enough about it that I stopped it.
More people need to be checked just like this 👍🏾
Wow, so much truth & wisdom in this conversation.
I never understood how we went from pac and Big to Lil yachty and Young thug
Money
All facts
Bro I'd sit in this barbershop talking all day !!!!
This show is insane , Great Convos !!!!
That was heavy math. They dont even know they being brainwashed
I Definitely Can Name 20
Wack Wack Wack Rappers. 👊🏾
While music is subjective there's two things that keep someone from being a "trash" artist: either having a singular style where you don't sound like the majority of other artists in your genre OR being technically skilled enough that you could never be viewed as "trash" although your output might not be some people's cup of tea. ODB sounded like few others. Joe Budden's material might not have been for the casual rap fan but if you understand lyricism you could never in your right mind call him a wack rapper. DaBaby has his own flow that doesn't sound like most (even though he most definitely has worn the hell out of that damn flow lol). Since most artists are paying their way on to the radio nowadays, it's not surprising that few are all that skillful or unique and tend to sound quite similar to the majority of other artists that are on. As fans it is NOT our job to coddle these well paid artists when they're perfectly content serving us up a mediocre product. In summation, YES THE FUCK YOU CAN BE WACK lol!!!
I appreciate hearing from people like @MrMecc or @MathHoffa BECAUSE of their Expert Opinion! Salute. 💪
Music is art and is subjective. One person may find lets say Drake wack but the next person likes his music. That source editor sounds hella arrogant
there is some objectivity in quality and actual time and effort put into a project, as well as layers of complexity.
He might have been in this a little to long!!! I feel like thats more then arrogant
Thank you for providing this platform... mich appreciated
As a more seasoned rap listener I came to the logic conclusion that there are only to types of music - good and bad period! And since music is art, therefore it is subject to personal preference. Most of the newer rap is not really for me but that is still a beautiful thing because the rap I listen to was not for most people when it came out. Listen to what you like and don't listen to people who want to tell you whatever...
A Gr8 Nine minute convo! Had 2 watch it again and save it; Go Math!!!
conversation ends with them talking about drug users
MATH"s outro immediately refers to the drugs he sells to users 🤣
This show should be called Grown Qualified Opinions. No kid convos in here. I love it.
I can not ever bring myself to call anyone wack. If your music is how you feed your family and stay out of trouble, how can I call that wack? Keep pumping art and allow it to mature as time moves along.
His example does not count for music…. He’s a casual himself if he’s not a artist and it’s not in his lane to say he’s credible… it’s his opinion solely
Even artists are casuals. We are all extremely biased with our taste in music.
Hes a fuckin A&R wtf you talkin bout 😭😭😭
You know everything about music, but not musically inclined is wild
5 star restaurant or McDonald's...
Whatchu in the mood for???
Well, I don't fuq wit McDonald's 🤣
Good conversation here on all points
This was a fire dialogue
Dude is 1000 percent correct. A dude told me that in prison and it made all the sense in the world. There is no such thing as wack music. It’s all about what your going through! If it’s my birthday on a Tuesday and I’m n the club clean and on my level. If the song “in the club going up on a Tuesday” your gonna feel that’s the hardest ish ever! Music is about moods and state of mind, but u gotta know it’s always a million mulfukkaz feel just like you! 💯
This conversation is absolutely tits. Respect.
Math was dead on point with the lowest vibration/indulgence shit !!
Very intelligent conversation.. this is a real convo amongst grown men RESPECT #215salute 💪🏾
Dope conversation all the way around
At 2:47 dude with dreads put up the infamous triple six for no reason and math sees the it then gives the thumbs up with a look a child getting a new toy. MK ULTRA at its finest
Music is a mood
I really enjoyed this conversation
That's a dope convo.
UA-cam Post the whole Episode, geez this is real expert opinions!
The thing is all music doesn't always have to be cerebral. Im not chilling listening to 2live crew for example..but when it came on in parties I was dancing
I'm old school 90s nothing against the new era hip hop its not for me you have to have a message and the bars got to be good and the beat can't sound the same
LOVE WHAT U DOIN WIT DA SHOW FAM!!
Music will forever be a generational thing I myself personally can’t say I don’t like something if I don’t listen to it. I love some 80s, 90s, 2000s and late 2010 and some of today’s stuff cause I took time to listen to it all honestly. But overall from what I got, just depends on what you came up on and music really isn’t Wack today nor was it back then.
I agree with heatmakerz its all about perception of it's not for you it will be for someone else
All music won't speak to everyone the same but we have to be honest and call something trash if it's trash. And that's not a matter of "I don't like this kind of music" it comes down to if something is being executed well or not. If I order a medium rare steak at a restaurant and they cook it in the microwave and it comes out well done, it's fine that their style is microwaving steaks but it's bad because it's overcooked. That is a bad steak. Doesn't mean they should stop cooking but they should try to do better.
Trash is subjective. Don’t forget that Mr. Magic called Boogie Down Productions trash when they were looking for airplay back in the day. Facts.
Really good conversation 💯
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Very dope episode. Thank you Math. 💯
Truth be told id rather listen to a passionate hip hop heads opinion rather than a music editors
Great convo , great clip
He broke that shit down so smooth,,,I dare anybody to disagree
Guy with the funny hat was on point.
Sounds like Hatekeeping, i meant Gatekeeping
This conversation kinda ties back to the best-rapper-dead-and-alive conversation, and.. exposes on so many levels that it’s all subjective. I hate that there’s some what of a blind eye being turned on there actually being “trash rappers”, “trash music”. But then that’s totally based on how I feel and others that may feel the same way. And it’s subjective.
I tried not to comment so fast the guy in the orange or red is dropping diamonds gold and rubys one is speaking from overall building in the art the other is speaking from the created competition standpoint,if you work for source you gonna judge music from a competition standpoint and Hoffa just said he has to as I'm typing because of his job✌🏿both got good points overall as a culture what bra with the hat saying is what's up now the guy next to him with the hat breaking it down yessir 🙌🏿it's needed
I love this conversation.