GT350 OIL CONSUMPTION! How BAD is it?
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- In today's video we discuss my GT350 oil consumption. How bad is it really? I've had my 2017 Shelby GT350 for nearly a year now and have accumulated around 4,400 miles on the car. Since then my car has consumed about 2 quarts of oil, which is actually normal. For those of you that aren't familiar with the 5.2L Voodoo engine, it is common to see these engines consume oil. I've heard as much as 1 quart per thousand miles. I'm glad mine wasn't that much, but checking your oil frequently is a must for any GT350 owner out there!
What do you guys think of the POV style video? Sorry about all the head movement! 😁🏁
i dont mind it
Go for it makes us feel like we have a gt350 .i.e. less broke
UA-cam suggested this video to me. I enjoyed it. I usually watch Streetspeed717, Salomondrin, Doug DeMuro, Shmee150, and a few other car channels, but none of them have a GT350 and I was curious to see how much oil consumption those have as I'd heard it could be significant. Also looking forward to the upcoming GT500 Ford is bringing out. Cheers.
Bro my 11 TVS 5.0 burns 2 quarts every 1k miles since new. Blows no smoke and plugs dry as a bone. But i drive the car super hard daily. Constant 7200rpm blasts always...lol
It's normal even for new cars to waste a quart every 500 miles, so no worries. People who aren't scientists or engineers don't understand that synthetic oil with a wide viscosity spread will slip past engine parts more often than conventional or synblend. We have new cars today that run 0w-20 and dealerships are eating engine warranties because the oil is so thin/slippery.
My 1993 Ford Econoline Van has nearly 200,000 miles and it doesn't burn a single drop of oil, but yeah I understand the way engines are designed. Keep up the good work on the videos, although sometimes I wish you would upload more often.
I miss my Mustang 5.0. 😢😢😭😭
Chivos adventures I've been getting back in the groove! 😁 3 vids last week! 👊
All cars burn oil.
I call bullshit lol
plastic drain plug... car manufacturers are doing anything they can to cut costs now a days soon all these cheap plastic parts are going to start failing
I hope it doesn't fail, but it is surprising to see a plastic drain plug!
I’m a ford Tech and some of them do fail, but if they do fail we replace them if we see them going bad. The o ring is replaced on it after anyone in our shop does an oil change on a plastic drain plug!
yea someone will manufacturer it
Plastic drain plug, exhaust tips attached to rear bumper not the exhaust, plus my local dealers asking 10k over MSRP for these cars still???? WTF am I missing?..
Also - it seems pretty strange to torque a plastic anything to 24NM...
"These modern engines use too much oil!! now my 1998 toyota celica doesn't use ANY oil!" - scotty kilmer
A Toyota celica that's 20 years old compared to a new very high performance high revving engine.... really?
Trent Mallo Comparing an old Celico to an engine that goes over 8000 RPM is not really a fair comparison. Pick any Audi or Porsche and you’ll see similar oil consumption issues at high rpm’s .
Do you guys understand what humor is?
People missed the joke
Dude I always love the content you upload, this one was great. Me and my friend both one day want to own our own shop and have a lot of mustangs ourselves. Its really cool to see what having your own shop is like and how you can get done whatever you need to, no need to pay all the extra cash for someone else to do it, especially when you have a love for cars and the mechanics and all that. Great video man!
Motorcraft 5W-50 isn’t a robust oil, it shears to a 30-weight oil in less than 1500 miles. Thin base stock loaded with polymeric thickeners, which shear. As far as warranty, I’ve never seen a Ford dealer send an oil off for testing to verify you are using a spec oil. As long as the level is good and there isn’t evidence of starvation or neglect you’re good on the warranty front.
Actually its GT 5W-50 the same as in the Ford GT. Its very good oil. Very expensive. I ran it gently to break in then at 1500 miles after my 2nd oil change I went to Amsoil.
@@02hreblue30 It’s actually very mediocre, shear prone oil.
@@BC08 Actually not. Its really good oil. I had a Blackstone analysis and it was stellar. Its made specifically for the now 1 million dollar GT---thus the GT in the name. Its definitely good oil.
@@02hreblue30 Actually it is. I’ve seen probably 3 dozen Motorcraft 5W-50 UOA results from Blackstone and Oil Analyzers and they pretty consistently return mediocre at best performance.
MC 5W-50 consistently shears to a 30 weight oil within 2000 miles of service, and that’s actually atrocious for a 50-weight oil. In fact, I can’t think of a more shear prone oil.
UnleashedBeast had extensive UOA compilations over on SVTPerformance. Less shear prone 40 weights consistently provided better results, including used viscosity, wear metals, and TBN retention than MC 5W-50.
@@BC08 go look up the oil change interval for the 350R. Not very long. Oil heads like you will argue until blue in the face over this and that oil. Its good enough for a million dollar car under Ford warranty, and the Blackstone is stellar, its all good. Run what you like. Like I said I switched to Amsoil, but only because I run it in my other custom built cars. don't lose sleep, its all good
Damn, with a quart per thousand miles in oil burn, do you even have to change oil if you just top it off everytime?
TBH with good oil like amsoil I actually think you probably would never have to..
I’m burning over a quart every 350 miles it’s nice
At least change the oil filter
Jeff on those oil drain pans it has a air tap on the top edge so that the oil Dosent fill the pan quickly lol
I bet he's just as good with the rest of the car
Wow I just watched a oil change... So sad at myself.
V8Flexin yeah why did I watch this, I need to get a life lol
I watched maybe 15 minutes of it, and didn't learn a thing
I have almost 6,000 on my GT350 (2017) and no oil burning whatsoever. I did add the PCV on both sides of the engine for better performance.
Tom Baker do t you mean catch can? Every car in production has a PCV...
yes, a catch on both sides of the engine
Tom Baker if you don’t know the difference I highly doubt you did it lol. Yet alone own one
As someone who works at CarQuest, I'm glad you used Advance Auto Parts to pick up your gear that you needed!
It’s great to see more frequent videos. Keep it going. Oh and Scoot Scoooooots
You are wrong about Mobil 1. except during the first 5oo miles. After that you can run a 100% synthetic oil. With my GT 350 R I use the best oil there is, Royal Purple. I have been using Royal Purple sense my 2003 SVT Cobra. We did a test on that car running a chases dynamiter test with Ford synthetic blind and one after changing ALL the fluids to Royal Purple. We picked up 41.7 hp and 29.4 lb/ft just by changing to Royal purple. Another mechanic friend has a Porsche 911 he checked what his car was using the oil recommended by Porsche and Mobil 1. The difference was within the noise. He then swapped all fluids to Royal Purple and his gain was slightly less than my Mustang but still worth doing. He gained 29.5 hp and 19.1 lb/ft. I also get better gas mileage. Enough so that on my 2003 that I raced in SCCA. It helped me win one race by keeping my engine running until about 500' past the finish line.
I can’t have one of these, I’d daily it. It would have 90k by now
What would be the point in having the car and not driving it! I mean if I'm gonna get any kind of vehicle its gonna be drove not just have it to keep the mileage low
Eric Mcguire .. thats what most owners of cool cars do. I bet they dont fuck their woman either since they dont want them to be too used for the next guy
I don't understand it, I don't have a newer car like this but I daily a 750 hp mustang and I drive the fuckin shit out of that car, every day
Cars are ment to be driven, as long as you create memories with it. Enjoy it and drive your car like you stole it.
I have one with no problems.
POV awesome and what the hell jeff open the vent cap on the oil pan so it doesn’t overflow, I was like oh shit he’s gonna.. then you caught it ... lol
Martin5.0 😂 I completely forgot! Usually I don't have to mess with those containers, I'm spoiled by my other one.
If they were redesigning an oil plug, it should have prevented oil getting on hands. Or just be a replaceable valve that doesn't have to be removed at all.
If you’re replacing a new quart of oil every thousand miles, who needs an oil change? Just change filter every 3-5k
May 2, 1982. That's the date The Weather Channel was founded. If you go there, you can see if there is a high chance of precipitation or not. If you were curious. That's what I do when I take mine out.
I sold my GT350 for a Z06. Best decision automotive-wise for me. I never looked back.
Except Ford and Chevy design their cars and trucks collaboratively now. You may go back to sleep.
Did u get the manual or auto trans?
@@aesir0784 haha....sir, please.
Why? I’m deciding between a gt350 and a corvette gs. Can’t make up my mind yet
Funny how you said “starts right up!” What is that a surprise to you that it starts? LOL
Charles Degener he was referring to the foxbody that had been sitting for quite some time. Lol
^^^ Yeah right. What a Dumbass ha
I'm surprised anytime a ford starts.
😂😂 Ford must be doing something right cause the haters list is infinite!!
Joseph Lodrigue I know lol, it's weird how that works, anytime someone is sucessful, they want to tear it down rather than support it lol.
Sorry to hear about the oil troubles ... I must be one of the fortunate ones ... I picked up a 2020 and it does not burn a drop ... drove 800 Miles and not a drop gone ... I am now using Amsoil Signature Series oil and the oil life percentage use does not go down nearly as quickly as the Ford Oil ... But I still change her as recommended ...
@8:30, if you had opened up the side vent on the oil pan it wouldn't be in danger of overflowing.
Or splashing up oil out of the fill hole
My big block chevy drinks a little oil too so don't worry about it.
At 3:30 Jeff mentions that Mobil one may not be covered under warranty for Ford maybe it may be due to it being the preferred oil of General Motors be cause of the Dexos 😂
Better Than you that is not true. Read owners manual for Shelby GT350. I even spoke with Ford since I have a 2018, no problem, but I still use AMSOIL.
I bought my 2016 F165 (F150 2.7 ecoboost) brand new and I use nothing but Motorcraft oil and filter. My last oil change, I went almost 9,000 miles. The oil was still 18%. The oil filter on your GT350 is the same as the 2.7 EB. You don't need a torque wrench to the oil filter cap on.
You should not need a socket to remove the oil drain plug. It has o-rings and don't need to be torque.
They can't void your warranty because you don't use their oil. If you use correct weight your good to go. Consumers luckily have government law that prevents manufactures from doing that. They have to prove without a doubt it's oil related. GM tries the same with dexos approved. I don't use motorcraft but its all about what helps you sleep at night. Good video
10 quarts!? Holy wallet. That fox though,more fox vids bro.
To void your warranty they’d have to prove with absolute certainty that what you put into your car caused the car to malfunction. Which is typically only going to happen if you mod the Vehicle (tunes, FI, aftermarket exhaust ect)
Only 500 miles on mine, but going out to the garage now to check it.
Good idea! Definitely get used to checking it, I always keep a few extra quarts now.
I've had a 16 track pack and a 17 350R. Both of them burned oil. I think rule of thumb (at least for me and some of the other guys on 6G) is ~1QT per 1k miles. It was pretty accurate for me. Both were DDs.
Aussie 1 that must be why they blow up!
Humidity definitely looks the fun, FOR ME... HATE FITTING IN MY CAR SWEATY... LEATHER OR NOT..
i look forward to driving season , in my 95' cobra..... The car will last that much longer and i appreciate it more.
:)
I did have one, just sold it and bought an Alfa Romeo. Mobile 1 is certified for all passenger cars in North America.
Ford tried to make the engine as lite as possible so they used aluminum with spray in cylinder liners then honed. Driving that car that hard from light to light will destroy that engine in no time. I worked on high performance engines for 30 years. There is a saying; fast don’t last!
I don’t know what you paid for this vehicle but trying to save a few bucks for DIY oil change? Now that’s a joke. Take it to Ford, it will be on record.
I can't stand Florida in the summer it's so humid feels like I can't breathe. Lol
I felt the same way until i went to Arizona in the summer and felt my face sizzle off my head
Don't ever put an oil cap on anything where it or the vehicle can be damaged if the hood falls or is closed accidently. A friend of mine who owned a service station set an oil filler cap on the air cleaner of a Mercedes and ruined the hood when he forgot to replace the cap after adding a quart of oil.
I did first oil change at 700 miles, level was in middle of dots on dip stick. Put Amsoil in at the 700 mile mark. I am at 3000 miles now, still between the dots on the dipstick. So guess I got lucky
a little over 6000 miles, still not using any oil
As yo may have read or spoken to other 350 owners...folks seem to burn alot less or hardly any oil after they have tracked the car. Seems the engine really needs to sing a while for the rings to properly seat. Wish I had your problem! lol.
A lot of new cars use oil. Look it up. It's to do with reducing friction for better fuel economy. So the research says anyway.
Look at the new Honda's they take a 0w16 soon to be 0w8.... practically water
my M45 is about same...lightweight hi compression pistons in the 32v motor...heard BMWs are same
The oil canister has a small hole you need to unplug to let air out. This will keep the oil from bubbling the way it did and will let the oil in no problem without having to pause the draining
You’d be amazed at what Porsche claims is normal for oil consumption 😶
Yeah you're not allowed to void a warranty over oil, that is extremely illegal. So you can use any oil you'd like.
I lived the Florida from 1961 till 1974 and it rains every day at 3:15. If you don’t like it don’t move to Florida. A new Shelby mUstang using this much oil from new is unacceptable in my opinion. The rings should have set in at the factory and by 1000 miles you should be able to run the car normally. You think it’s hot in your area try Fort Worth,Tx where I live,we’ve had high 90’s to Low 100’s EVERY DAY since The End Of May! 100 + from now on this week! Nice Shelby!
wow didn't realize the Shelby took 10 quarts! but she still sounds awesome! and it looked like the oil was easy to change!
Switch to amsoil, I burn maybe one quart between oil changes
Samuel Ho - I use Amsoil In my truck but I would never use it in a muscle car or any performance vehicle , if Amsoil was really that good it would be in NASCAR vehicles and super / muscle cars world wide .
Brosef - oil consumption on a car of this caliber is completely unacceptable. How is there not a class action lawsuit?
Wait until the car is broken in with about 20K miles, then evaluate the oil consumption. It's way too early, the rings and bearings are not fully run in.
In the future, the drain pan has a small opening the on the side to allow air to come out of it. It will not overflow.
The months from November to the middle of March are the best times to work on a vehicle in Florida
You need to drive it more. Just broke 24k on my 16 down in swfl.
Bro my 11 TVS 5.0 burns 2 quarts every 1k miles since new. Blows no smoke and plugs dry as a bone. But i drive the car super hard daily. Constant 7200rpm blasts always...lol
Can you afford to keep the supercharged s550? I would think it would be worth it even after all it’s been through
895takashi I've been going back and forth on what to do.
My 5.0 mustang takes 8 quarts and has lost about a 1/4 quart between oil changes. 4,300 miles and using 2 quarts is a lot? Strange!
Drain pan vent wasn't opened. Shouldn't bubble up in the middle
Nice video. Showed us something practical. Hope you do others like it.
It is federally illegal for them to void warranty for useing a different oil or a place to change your oil.
Allow me to explain something. Unbutton the relief valve and there will be no problem draining into your waste oil container. Such a pro........
Does your Fox body Stang get upset when u pick up parts for the other Mustang's you have?
Hey Jeff, I’m looking at gt350’s or a 2018 GT. Any thoughts since you own one would be appreciated. Nick-
Good news when you buy the case of 12qts you get 2 QTS to topoff before your next oil change with your consumption rate
Thats the best detail spray ever. I just started using it and my magnetic pops now!
Common problem with too many new cars. Are manufactures trying to get too exotic with rings to reduce friction? It's been my experience that oil consumption destroys cats. For me, burning 1 quart per 1m miles, cats replaced every 20,000 miles. Never again!
As a previous GT350 owner that went through an engine due to massive oil consumption, I'm here to tell you that under normal driving circumstances, 1q per 1k miles is *not* normal. The Shelby insert says that 1q for every 500 miles can be expected under hard track driving (high revs, high load, extreme conditions, etc). Driving this car under normal daily conditions should not result in it burning any significant amount of oil.
Don't let the 'high revving flat plane crank' bullshit fool you. These cars have a systemic mechanical/engineering issue; I've seen people who have bought their car brand new as a 2018 spin main bearings and/or throw rods within the first 2k miles. I loved my Shelby; it was hands down the most extreme car I've ever driven, but I'm part of a growing minority of people who drove their car like a normal person and still suffered catastrophic engine damage.. that's neither normal or expected.
So if you buy a gen 1 voodoo gt350 what can you do to address the issue? I want to buy a gen 1 gt350 and I intend to use the car as a daily. Probably 0 track days or drag strip. Just spirited driving on the streets and weekend canyon drives. Will car consume a lot of oil with light to modest hard driving?
Sorry man it's real hard to feel bad for you, working in your hot shop with your GT350 on a hoist! I get to do all my work on my crappy vehicles in my driveway while being cooked by the sun or in the rain, snow, etc. Oh wait here let me try to squeeze out one tear for you! lol ;)
And if your oil consumption doesn't get better you might want to add a oil separator set up on it. It won't help it if the oil is getting past the rings. But it will cut down on the oil getting into the intake thru the breather/pcv system. And it will also help keep some of the carbon deposits from happening as bad.
if you pop open that little yellow cap on your drain pan it will allow the oil to drain faster
Ive heard about 350's burning oil. Ford needs to fix that.!!
2 quarts in 4500 miles is not bad at all for a performance engine like that. My bike with 13:1 compression uses about a quart every 1000
Are they really burning oil, or do these flat crank motors have oil squirters on the pistons?
imagine avoiding a complete recall of a two-stroke tier oil consumption problem by simply having your PR team tell everyone it's "normal"
I have the same black oil can. Make sure you have the vent open or it will make a huge mess and over fill. Found out the hard way.
Next time open the cap on the oil catcher so air will go away and it will not fill as fast and dont have to stop the oil while is coming out just tight it back when its getting full that way you dont have a leakage from the cap
You need to vent your oil catch pan, that's why it almost overflowed. Beautiful car though.!! Also I know how you feel when you said it's hot and humid. I live in Massachusetts and for the past 3 weeks it's been hot and humid every day, terrible weather...I don't know how you guys can handle the constant Florida heat..
You don’t torque a metal canister oil filter
Is oil consumption inherit with the plane crank design? Theoretically it shouldn’t be. Oh heck I am a civil engineer and not a mechanical engineer and took any engine design, but....
The oil pump in my friends went out and caused the motor to seize @ only 2500 miles
William walton woohoo
Am I the only one that likes ford door chime
GhostlyGhille yes
Oil expands. Should be lower when cold and higher at temperature.
95 degrees with 70% humidity? You're lucky...come to St. Louis during the summer months...85%+ humidity with 95 degrees would piss you off even more...
Something that has to be considered is that this is a very high revving engine. Thus it is going to use oil. Especially if you're hot rodding it around.
Excuses excuses and more excuses
Lucky the trunk is big, to carry around a case of oil for those 500 mile vacation trips.
My pan overflowed on my first oil change. Got all over my driveway. LOL I was definitely not prepared.
The GT does it too. I have a 2012 GT that consumes almost 2 quarts per 1000 miles. I took it to Ford and of course they said there was nothing wrong when I drove it in missing 2+ quarts of oil. Then Ford engineers are so stupid they didn’t add a low oil indicator in the cluster
Canister style filters are going away because too many people weren't puncturing them to drain them properly, too much oil in the landfill.
5w_50_? Seems excessive, excessively thick, which is no guarantee of protection. Shades of BMW's rod bearing fiasco. Hopefully ford at least got the tolerances right, instead of BMW who probably should have specified an SAE 20 instead of an SAE 60.
Ugh, tinted windows. If it's for the heat you can get clear film that blocks IR nowadays.
Great video
I'm thinking of getting a 2017
Are you still happy with it?
1 quart per 1000 miles, and you think that's bad...…….you are adorable.
I bought a brand new Chevrolet Lumina Z34 from the dealer the first year they came out. It had Chevy's new 3.4l V6. I ordered it custom, fully loaded and I was one of the almost non-existent people who got the 5 speed manual. Dealer said I was the 1st one he has heard of that got the manual. I'm not sure that had anything to do my oil consumption, but it's worth mentioning. Also note that I was not driving like Morgan Freeman in driving Mrs Daisy. Neither was I trying to be Jeff Gordon.
We noticed something odd from the get go. As it was in break-in period, I had the oil changed every 3500kms, not 5000kms as the dealer recommended. After the 3rd change, I started checking the oil regularly myself. I was constantly putting oil in, in order to make it to 5000kms for the oil change. We complained to Chev and they said that engine was prone for excessive oil consumption, and that if changed every 4000kms would not be an issue.
So I started tracking it carefully over the next 3 oil changes....so 15,000kms. We burned almost exactly one litre of oil for every 900-1000kms driven. We complained to Chev and they said again it burns a lot of oil, but there is nothing they can do. So to be clear here, after 5000kms we were no longer technically changing the oil as there was almost none left in the pan. We were adding oil. Of course we never let it get lower than 1/2, as we were well aware of the burn rate.
We met several other Z34 owners (all automatics) and when we asked about bad oil burn rates, they instantly replied back "Hell yeah". Everyone was seeing it. We ended up taking Chev to arbitration over it as I knew the motor was going to burn itself out, probably just after the warranty expired. We ended up getting a huge chunk (most) of our money back and got a MASSIVE deal on a brand new fully loaded K2500 Chev Suburban, with the 6.2L diesel. Best thing we ever did. Zero problems with the 'Burb and best vehicle we ever had.
My bro never changed his oil just added. Best damn car he owned lol
The 2019-2020 Gen 2s dont have this issue you are talking about
I still don’t understand why the voodoo engine consume oil why would you create a motor that uses oil with the opportunity of low engine oil and motor failure later down the road
that drain-pan should have an air release valve to prevent it from overflowing like that!
Hey Jeff, awesome content and thanks for share. Do you know if Ford fixed the oil issue for 2019-2020 models? Regards
Yes ford did address the oil consumption issues that the gen 1 voodoo had. Way less engine failures and no more oil consumption complaints!
Can I ask, if you’re concerned with the warranty staying intact, why not take your brand new performance machine to the dealer for it’s oil change?! For that matter, did it not come with free preventative maint for some period?!
Needs turbos and boost to add cylinder pressure to seat the oil rings. No more oil consumption!
A quart to 2000 miles is not off at all. It will improve as you gain more miles. Also, consider full synthetic with an additive such as Marvel Mystery oil.
Hey Jeff, I am currently doing an oil consumption test with ford right now. My car is burning like 1 quart every 200 miles or so. It’s ridiculous.
5w-50? wtf... never seen that weight before. lol. would love to see a UOA on this after 3k
im having a horrible noise starting mine , like a dry start
That sir is not a ratcheting wrench. That is a socket wrench. I mean I guess technically it is a ratcheting wrench though....
Not even 9k rpms on a s2000 don’t burn no oil unless it’s around 150k miles and up it’s sad you gotta keep your oil on a brand new car that not a point there want your money 💰
Cant abuse these engines early. Few people are willing to wait to redline it. I wouldn't suggest buying these used at all. You will have problems under such conditions.
Amsoil is the shiznit
Take off the plug on your vent on the side of the drain pan and it won't fill up the drain pan!
Thanks for the informative videos.
Anytime Craig! I appreciate you watching. 😁
Should try Pennzoil platinum or Ultra platinum. For sone reason the burn off is better with the oil made from natural gas. Not really sure what science is behind it..but worked on my 14 GT.
I dont think this high of consumption should be considered normal since it basically requires people to add oil between changes to not blow their engine up. Did you get a catch can? And if so, how much did that catch?