@@SinsFate actually, his only drawback (other than knockback) is that he does not apply consistent reactions, so he won't work on vape, or any bloom reactions at all.
Saying Neuvillet isn't game changing is like saying winning 10mil lottery isn't life changing because you didn't get promoted at your local McDonald's.
Couldn't have said it better. He is game changing in the way he is the first hypercarry to completely auto sustain and auto buff. He is a character you don't need specific team comps to make him work. He put Xiao in A tier BECAUSE he has such specialised supports but then complains about Neuv for not facing those issues... There is a consistency problem in this tierlist, clearly.
Yeah furina is super good literally a game changer if you have Jean or baizhu but I don't have both so I skipped her for raiden and nahida new player btw 😅
@@deeptale1247That's exactly what I did yesterday.. but I decided to wish on her banner to throw away my 50/50, but instead I got furina and what's more surprising is that I got her c1 on my second try. However, I think there's still plenty of time to save up for the raiden, even now I've collected around 50 pulls. For a newbie account, there are still lots of places to mine primo
Furina has instantly became an S+ tier character and I’m really happy of that because she is my favorite character of Genshin and she has an awesome kit
I still think Zhong Li is a game changer. He completely changes the way you can play the game. No more dodging. You can completely ignore some game mechanics. For quality of life, he's a must pull. Same with Kokomi. Her healing is massive and basically on 100% uptime. It's almost impossible to die with her on your team. So for quality of life, she's a must pull. If you want to enjoy the game more, pull for these two characters.
No way. Using Zhongli on the team takes a slot away from a way more fun character. I like lots of reactions though so I have him c1 and never use him. Kokomi is amazing on Nilou bloom tho that shit is way too fun.
The thing with zhongli, there's not a one stop shop anymore, corrosion counters shield, hard hitting mobs like consecrated beast breaks his shield before you can refresh it so you still have to dodge, no synergy with dendro, kokomi is lucky and not lucky, she have something more for being hydro and a healer, but also facing stiffer competition with other hydro options and other healer options
@@KenruliI agree Zongli is a game changer, but yo I recently learned that you don’t even need the shield. Like this game isn’t even close to being as hard as dark souls, I feel like the only time I ever die is if I die from fall damage. Genuinely tho not having to dodge is fine, but when you can already one shot literally everything and still not have to wait to do asention quests more than 1-2 days is perfect. Later on down the line zongli loses so much value cuz as someone said he takes up one whole spot and that spot is essential for damage in abyss cuz it’s not a clear type content it’s a times style content so you wana do dmg fast without dying not last forever and eventually whittle down the enemy…
Now that more character supports are dropping , using zhongli makes single party slot taken away instead of using those supports , but it is your choice to use anyone and can be biased.
As you've title the tiers, imo, Zhongli definitely deserves a spot in the Game Changers tier. Simply because that's just what he objectively does. He enables players to quite literally ignore an essential mechanic like dodging, and depending on the team he is in, sometimes deletes the need for a healer. Not to mention that his shield has 100% up time, and as if that wasn't enough, his shield gives a 20% omni shred in a small AOE around the player while it's up...which is all of the time. His burst, disregarding the DMG it does, is essentially a better freeze in terms of cc since it works on cryo slimes and shielded cryo abyss mages. The only enemies it can't petrify are boss enemies. Tired of running around chasing enemies in the abyss and losing precious time? Press Q with Zhongli, now they can't move, if they're even alive that is. Anyways, that's my two cents. I definitely believe Zhongli to be a game changer character and definitely should be in S+ tier.
No because characters like Layla exist, he isn't a must pull. He might be the best shielder still, but when a 4 star like Layla who has 100% uptime and also very durable, he no longer is a necessity. With other reliable shielders in the game he wouldn't be considered a game changer. Also Realistically Zhongli's burst animation is a DPS loss, particularly if you have him built more for shield.
@@shinobu1886 layla doesn't come close to zhongli. Zhongli is the absolute beast of a shielder! Yes you can have your opinions, but it wouldn't change the fact that zhongli's shield is the best in game.
@@Ali-h3b1i Please make sure you properly read my comment next time. I already stated Zhongli is still the best shielder. This is not relevant however if we are taking about being a “game changer”. Again, If a 4 star character like Layla can do what he does and have a shield that can reliably withstand most damage in the game with 100% uptime, then by definition he is not a game changer. He simply is nothing more than a mild upgrade to an existing feature. Additionally many people considering Layla as the potential second best shielder in the game, would imply that she is somewhat close to him. Many people consider QIQI one of if not the best pure healers in the game, yet is almost universally agreed she’s one of the worst characters since she provides nothing else. Not saying Zhongli is on her level, as he can have some other uses, but simply being the best at one particular thing when there are alternatives does not make one a game changer.
@@shinobu1886 sure I can agree with you. Sorry was not intending to offend or anything 😅I was talking from my own personal experience having both layla and zhongli. And for me Zhongli is indeed a game changer. This wouldn't mean that it is the best and there might be some broken whale laylas out there with better shields then my zhongli. I'm talking from a comfort point of view. For me he changed my game and overall experience completely. In fact before him I was using layla as my shielder and she was pretty helpful no doubt. So that's why for me he "can" be a game changer for players with similar experience as me.
For Ayato I think people underrate him completely. I often hear his name come with the phrase. "Jack of all trades, master of none." Which people tend to use in a negative manner. But what people don't realize is that the full quote is "Jack of all trades, master of none. Though oftentimes, better than master of one." He's so versatile. Has a fun play style. Great burst. All around a very good character for any account imo. He's definitely S.
I dont have ayato so can't comment on that but seems very fun tho BUT the Jack of trades quote - Finally a brethern WHO knows the full quote and uses it properly. I have tears of joy
cyno is the perfect example of a character suffering from success. normally you would think a long burst and a lot of damage is a good thing. but for him, he kills the enemies too fast and unless u run through his entire burst cycle, he won't have enough energy to burst again as soon as the cool down is gone. but if u continue his burst cycle you're supports will run out and he'll be dealing just electro dmg and he can't do much electro damage cuz he's supposed to be played with dendro
i can't help but compare him to xiao due to both having similar burst-mode style gameplay. xiao's supports are mostly numerical like ATK, -RES, and DMG bonus which mean all it does is increase his raw anemo damage. when the supports expire, his damage lowers, but he can still do his plunges. cyno whose damage heavily relies on reaction, mostly use the application of other elements as support. meaning if it expire mid-burst, he becomes much weaker compared to someone like xiao because he can't trigger the mechanics that makes him strong. other aggravate/hyperbloom teams don't suffer such problem because they are usually quickswappy, letting the dendros/hydros reapply their abilities in timely manners.
People seem to base their takes on how the character was on release. With Furina and Baizhu, Cyno outclasses Keqing by a lot and is comparable to the top dps characters/teams in the game. On release he was comparable to Keqing but now you must be out of your mind to think they are comparable. Similar thing with Xiao. Xiao with c6 Faruzan is around A tier (strong characters) as well. I have a lot of issues with the placements but the most glaring one is Nilou. No way in hell, Nilou is on the same tier as Nahida, Kazuha and Yelan. Raiden and Neuvillette are arguable but Nilou should be A tier and not at the top
@@LD-yy6qt needing a 5 star unit to be better is not good, of course hes better with furina but with no furina youre just playing cyno on release, imagine if hutao needed yelan and didnt work with xingqiu, itd be a con rather than a pro. Accessibility is everything
@@Zythroxes way I look at tier lists/character strength is a character in their strongest team otherwise there's no point. If it's a tier list considering how f2p a character is then sure, but just talking character strength I don't see why a character shouldn't get their strongest team in these discussions. On the note of cyno, even without Furina he would be
I'd say if you like exploration AND him as a character I'm not a fan of his gameplay so I'll never pull for him and can explore without him just fine 🤷♀️
He’s in the same place he’s been since 2.0. In content where he works he’s the best unit in the game, in content where he doesn’t he’s mid and feels kind of bad to use
He goes from broken to mid because the devs directly nerfs him via future enemy.... Its venti vs mihoyo/hoyoverse..... Wth he cant suck specter while kazuhan could...
The only reason I don’t think Nilou is S+ is because she needs a very specific team comp. In my opinion, this slot should be reserved for the most powerful AND flexible characters. If you fit one but don’t fit both, drop to S. That said, I’m ABSOLUTELY pulling for her next time she comes up! I have Yelan, Nahida, and Yao Yao already so all I need now is her lol!
And she kinda have a problem with big hp enemies like bosses, especially single boss, for double (like enkanomiya lizard) or triple magu kenki she's still soo good
Doesnt matter cause the damage ceiling on that team is ridiculously high and we already have a bunch of teammate options she can make characters regarded as "weak" work insanely well (Collei, Barbara, arguably dendro MC). It doesnt matter how specific her team requirements are if that team is simply one of the best teams there are atm. On top of that hydro is stacked and hydro and dendro are the best elements in the game with more characters to come.
My issue with Nilou after using her is that you are restricted to only dendro and hydro teammates for her to get the instant bloom explosion. If she had access to an Anemo character to bring in the enemies along with Nilou's gameplay, it would have been instant S+ tier to me. Right now, without a way to group enemies easily to trigger dendro hydro reactions, I find that I spend a lot of time just running to enemies to trigger the bloom reaction and and it's really annoying when Nilou's E skill duration does not last that long to get a lot of those explosions to happen. My honest rating for Nilou is at best a S-tier and depending on your roster with a lack of good hydro/dendro characters, would just be an A-tier.
Most of the time enemies are too heavy, and if not, just build your diluc to kill everything on burst and problem solved. Like I regularly use him in the abyss and don't have such problems?
As someone who started playing genshin almost exactly a year back and got zhongli in 4.0 He is definitely a game changer. In fontaine the enemies hit so hard that honestly if I could have zhongli on both sides then nothing like it. I feel like DPS has become a non issue as of late due to dendro and hyperbloom where you can run zhongli on deepwood and fav. He's a universal resistance shredder and lets you play literally anyne without having to worry about survivability
19:32 This is possibly one of the wildest takes on Zhongli I've seen. Firstly, you're not a beginner, and I'd assume you'd know how to dodge and learn enemy attack patterns, so you'll obviously have less of a need of Zhongli's shield than an actual beginner. Second, the hardest part about abyss for beginners is not the DPS check. It's about game knowledge and skill level. A player with top tier characters with no idea how to build or utilize them will struggle a lot more than someone who's watched a couple guides or two. Even then, it takes a sizable amount of time to learn core combat mechanics of the game, like reactions, dodging, and rotations. Zhongli has to be possibly the easiest character for a beginner to learn and utilize effectively, whilst still providing a beginner with a DPS boost through survivability and resistance shred. Even strong DPSes like Neuvillette take time to learn how to dodge enemies effectively, while Zhongli allows any character to easily breeze through the survivability check. The problem I have with your take about beginners is that the majority of beginners are not at your skill level. While you may find it more efficient for yourself to pick a strong DPS or offensive support over Zhongli, do you really think that a beginner would be able to utilize those characters more effectively than a one man tank? In your F2P account, you already have the knowledge of how to dodge, build characters, and form teams, but a beginner doesn't have those skills. You didn't put yourself in the shoes of a beginner in your take.
I was a new player on Neuvillete’s banner and I listened to the wrong people who told me that Hu Tao was better than him. She feels like hot garbage to play and is my most regretted character I have. Hopefully Neuvi get a really quick rerun
i got both and i can agree she doesnt feel good enough compared to neuv the problem is she needs an insane investment unlike neuv. and my hu tao is still not good enough after two months while neuv is destroying one half of the abyss alone with 2weeks of farming and he still has room to improve...
I did 50 pulls into hu tao, and then changed course to neuvilette. I can't say I regretted it, but I can't imagine how many primos i would have if i didnt pull him. Also my only 2 limited 5 stars are neuvi and furina so i cant clear hydro bosses LOL
I really disagree with you on Baizhu, having to wait for YaoYao's burst to be active for you to get healed is just weird and uncomfortable. Baizhu does it all in his skill and everybody is alive and well with his burst. It so not the same like at all . Seriously.
I agree with like 99% of this list but I would say Zhongli is S+ for sure for almost any account. Shields are almost never going to stop being useful and he also shreds enemy resistances so your damage dealers can do great damage without having to constantly move or dodge. I think making your team invincible is pretty game changing
Since Genshin has been out for so long, higher level players have found less use for him. He’s very easily replaceable by any shielder or healer because Genshin enemies just don’t hit hard enough to require his shield. Also, since he’s geo, he takes away the slot of having another buff or elemental application
@@unoqueen_ i completely agree also a 20% shred isn't that much when if you learn to dodge u can use someone who can apply a useful element to trigger reactions however the way this tier list is set up is just so bad its a meta tier list but the tier descriptions dont do a good job showing that zhongli is a game changer because he makes it so you dont have to dodge but he isn't s+ tier
I KNOW THIS IS A C0 TIER LIST, SO MY OPINIONS MAY NOT BE ENTIRELY RELEVANT. SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE CONSTELLATION/INVESTMENTS TALK, PLEASE IGNORE THIS. ALSO, TEXT WALL WARNING!!! In my opinion, Neuvillette should be in a tier above on his own. That dude is so busted and there are so many things TC calculations numbers game don't say. People who call him a "DPS-only without providing the team with anything or support" is just batsh*t ignorant (Refer to points 6-8 below). Just at C1 he just trivialize combat content that isn't hydro-immune. Some of the things people don't consider ON TOP of his ridiculous damage: 1. He has broken range and AOE. 2. He can deal with single target, multi target, multi waves with EASE. 3. He is not very burst reliant, especially for overworld enemies. 4. His beam pierces through "physical" shields (Mitachurl, big geo eremites, probably even big double axe guy etc) 5. His beam shreds through elemental shields (Non-Hydro Abyss Mages, Slimes etc. Yes it works on cryo too, especially Mondstadt talent book domain which took me by surprise.) 6. Regarding the DPS-only thing mentioned above, he can spin and hit everything, which makes him equal to a cc slot because he don't need a cc. Heck, it is even better than those cc characters, especially swapping and burst animation is not required, and even more so against large and difficult to/unable to pull enemies. 7. He heals himself by A LOT, which makes him equal to a healer slot because he is pretty much always on field and heals almost half his health every time. 8. At C1, he does not even need shields, he could move around and even when hit, can nullify interruption. This also makes him equal to a shielder slot for not requiring a shield. 9. At this point he could even SOLO the abyss when decently built, making you only have to worry about one other side. What Nahida? What Yelan? What Furina? All those require more members. Yes, its a team game to some people, but the fact that more characters are required compared to his solo ability kind of says something about him being on a whole other level. 10. Even if you have difficulty SOLO-ing abyss, you could just put some unused "0.1% usage rate" characters such as heizou as fillers. A VV heizou + any unused other element + any hydro for resonanace would be overkill enough. Heizou + other element will give Neuvillette 3 Draconic stacks, pretty much 1.6x damage. VV and hydro resonance further increases DPS. 11. Ever seen a c6 Neuvillette spin in combat events? 100k+ score and stuff. There is almost no competition how much better Neuvillette is at multi target multi wave compared to any other maximum invested characters. The only exception being Childe's riptide during certain combat events at low difficulty, but even that is not close enough to a real maxed out Neuvillette. Also battling single target does not diminish his DPS towards that single enemy either. To add on, if a player chooses to invest, his c6 further increases his single target capabilities even further. 12. He is stup*d easy to use. No need to manage maximum stacks buff time, balls don't expire that quickly, no need to manage a bunch of gimmicks like HP loss, damage increase over time etc to output good damage. There isn't anything I can find that isn't hydro immune that Neuvillete can't delete. At higher constellations it gets even more absurd, which makes him the most worth character to invest in, to me, and also why I went all in on him (I mean I have a c6 Nahida and c6 Furina too, but R1). I have videos of him c6 solo Abyss seahorse (70% Hydro resistance) under 1min30s, and him solo a Local Legend with about 20 million equivalent HP (2 million+ HP with I believe 210% hydro resistance or higher, I was doing about 10% of usual damage) in 4min+. If not for the existence of elemental-immune enemies, ALL my characters except ZL and Kazuha would've already been benched. If anything about Hydro immunity, Hydro-immune enemies are the easiest "elemental immunity" enemies to deal with in the entire game. Simply because most of these pricks ARE ALWAYS AFFECTED BY HYDRO. Traveler-Kuki hyperbloom is enough to delete these enemies. Basically Neuvi-Trav-Kuki-Hydro is enough for most combat content overworld (exceptions maybe enemies like the geo cube). Maybe only the 2 Hydro Local Legends will require some skill, but Neuvi can be on field to tank and heal (cancel CA after absorbing balls) while leaving Traveler burst and kuki skill to do the job. He may not output the highest damage in the first few seconds for single target, but his sustained damage is definitely the highest. His closest DPS NUMBERS GAME competitor is pretty much a c6 vape Furina. There are showcases of c6 Furina poking enemies with hundreds of thousands of VAPE damage, but those are, in the end, showcases that require ample preparations such as draining team HP for Jean to maximise Furina buffs instantly (so that the salon members don't take too much time from the 10s limit to attack after using skill, and messing up vapes), fully stacked R5 Key for EM boost, probably instructor set on support, Freedom Sworn. All for 6x c6 special attacks to hit within a tight 10s or less. Anymore enemies, she falls off. Even if its just right number of hits to dispatch all enemies, your team HP will still be quite full due to Jean full heal and Furina passive, and that salon members wont be able to drain much during the time frame. There is also the issue with energy. Very likely the entire team do not have sufficient energy to go for a 2nd wave, while also considering Furina is burst reliant for that vape damage, as well as her skill activation, which has 20s cooldown. That is without considering the POINTS 1-12 I made above. Continuing with c6 Furina Issues, she is single target, walled by shields and can't efficiently break elemental shields (I also have a small clip within a Neuvi focused video where my c6 Furina stuggled with a Shield Mitachurl), wants a healer, prefers an on-field DPS after her 6 hits, can't hit some flying enemies with c6 pneuma because sword be too short, GETS INTERRUPTED (really hated this when I get juggled around by some attacks), MELEE RANGED (just feels clunky and peasant-y having to run up close to enemies after experiencing Neuvillette, also combos with no interruption resistance for extra frustration). One thing about her is that she is way more fun in Co-Op FOR YOUR CO-OP TEAMMATES.
I agree, I'm using him with dehya since he's a c0 and I don't have shielder and the two are my whole team ❤. Should I pull for zhongli or just invest on kazuha to gather the enemies?
Neuv is easy S+ with not only your explanation, but he is great out of the box with no real investment besides the typical artifacts loadout and leveling. Just his own charged attack deletes overworld, and makes Abyss so much easier since he's easy to use while dealing a ton of damage. For just C0, one of the best characters to get if you want the game to be easier with a very limited character roster for new players.
Baizhu assesment is unfair. You're expecting him to be Zhongli when in reality he is closer to Xingqiu (interruption resistance and element application wise). Yes his shields are short, but if you're not dodging just because you have a shield - what are you even doing, skill issue, I've never been knocked out in his shield. He gives heals, interruption resistance AND dendro application, his kit is SO incredibly useful and valuable, I wish I had more characters like him of different elements. And his energy needs are not that bad, you can just get a sac or a fav and that's it. For me he felt game-changing, but he deserves S tier at least. Also Yelan is not a game changer because that is Xinqiu, you can't change the game by just copying what's already in it. She is just XQ without the interruption resistance, damage reduction and healing, but with more dmg and buffs for elements other than hydro (yes, one of XQs constellations buffs hydro other than himself). She's really good, but she's no original, let's not kid ourselves. Wanderer....I do agree more or less, but he doesn't consume stamina when dodging, instead he deals a bit of damage while dodging. Just positioning/moving around and using the free dodges is enough most of the time, I almost never have to do the draining dodges with him, those are just hiccups and not an actual problem. Again, skill issue.
If you're one of those players who're still stuck in 2.0 and only play Raiden national and Hutao vape, of course Yelan is game-changing for you, you always wanted two Xinqius and now you got it. But like....bffr, most people don't want to be miserable like that so they have no use for Yelan whatsoever.
Zhongli NOT is S+ tier is a crime. Like you said, he trivializes the game. IDC if he's somewhat of a dps loss, he makes the game literally easy. Also, Itto in C tier is kinda harsh. My Itto swings for about 40K crits consistently and he's only C2. And I don't even run him mono-geo.
No matter how much dehya is hated, I randomly got her in her banner on a 10 pull and love her. Above all, she is beautiful. I play her as sub dps/support in a Raiden, Sara, Bennett team because my Kazuha is already in my Ayaka Freeze team. It's funny and the extra pyro damage isn't bad at all. :D
He doesn't need to do anything else to be top tier, but Kazuha is also amazing for having a stamina reduction passive for dashing and his double jump for launching, gliding, and zero-stamina climbing in a pinch. Being Anemo with a dash passive is amazing because you can run Sayu as a miner or Jean healer or Lynette for her E dash or Wanderer for flight and have effectively infinite stamina. If you have Yelan and don't have Wanderer he's not as good for replacing Wanderer's flight but with another Anemo he at least enables infinite dashing. It's rare enough having an exploration passive that has combat value, but it's also on the absolute best element to have it, and you don't exactly need to find an excuse to put Kazuha in a party.
Niolu only works with one single team where you can only use two elements: confidence in S+ Neuvillette can work in multiple teams and has many options for those teams and making a team for him might as well be optional: forced by chat to put him in S+
Probably an unpopular opinion, but as a Yanfei main who also has Klee, she feels like a weaker version of Yanfei. Damage-wise Klee might be better because she's still a 5* while Yanfei isn't, but her Yanfei's playstyle feels sooooo much better. Klee's short range feels like torture when you're used to Yanfei who has one of the biggest ranges out of the catalyst users.
@@codeeeythis is actually incorrect, even with vape and melt yanfe is weaker than ninguang , yanfei is super dookie unless running burgeon since you can vape and burgeon
@@Hanasittnah you tripping bro.. Ningguang's raw damage may be higher because she has a damaging burst but overall gameplay Yanfei takes it.. her normals are smooth and not clunky.. her playstyle that revolves around stacking normal attacks then charged is also smooth it's like you're not even doing a charged attack just a normal attack combo.. she can shield for herself.. like literally easier to use than Ningguang who has the same kind of gameplay but has slow janky animations.. and she's pyro meaning you can take advantage of vape/melt.. you don't even need burgeon on her.. just stick her with a Xingqiu or Yelan or Charlotte..
@@randomness.stupidness only because yanfei is pyro if ningguang had an element other than geo she'd probably do better than yanfei but yes imo yanfei is better
I actually disagree about Zhongli, I have the opposite opinion. I think he's great for beginners who aren't that good at the game yet and I'm super glad he was my first limited 5-star. But as I got further into the game, I started using him less and less because I got better and my characters got stronger so there wasn't a big need for his shield anymore. I think he's definitely S+ tier if you suck at dodging or if you're simply lazy, because it's amazing to just be able to attack the enemies and not have worry about taking any damage. I still use him against weekly bosses and in the Abyss and he's so comfortable, but other than he's not really needed anymore. As for Baizhu I actually really really love him, he's so comfy to play. I don't like to use bursts in the overworld at all and having to wait for my burst in the Abyss because the energy isn't filled up yet would stress me out when it comes to healing, so I much prefer healers who heal with their skill, and I think Baizhu is the best one who does that. Of course there's Kokomi too who heals a ton, but I definitely prefer Baizhu over her because he heals your entire party and that's so overpowered. I feel like a lot of times it's a huge risk to try to heal your low HP character by swapping to them because they'll just immediately get oneshot before getting any heals, so it's so much better that you can swap out to a different character and heal the injured one first before putting them on field again. Then again, I do suck at this game so these are just skill issue opinions lmao, I admit Baizhu probably isn't the absolute best healer in the game when you're actually good at playing it, but for people like me he's incredible.
If you look at the name of the categories, *"S+"* is defined as *"Game Changers".* I think your own example explains exactly how Zhongli could fit in that category. *He changes the game.* He changes the way you play: You don't have to dodge. You don't have to time everything perfectly. You don't have to worry about positioning, or worry about dying, or healing. You can just go all out unga-bunga. Some characters are "Game Changers" in terms of *Power,* and some characters are "Game Changers" in terms of *Comfort.* I think Zhongli is one of them. And considering that the vast majority of the Genshin playerbase is *casual,* Zhongli deserves his place near the top of the List. I also find quite interesting the fact that you seemed to have done a complete *180 U-turn* in the second half of your paragraph. In the beginning, you explain how Zhongli is *"great for beginners who aren't that good at the game,"* but as you got more experienced, you got *better and didn't need him anymore.* But then, when you mention Baizhu, you have a change of heart. Suddenly you aren't good at the game anymore and Baizhu is your savior. You said it yourself: *"Then again, I do suck at this game so these are just skill issue opinions lmao (...) for people like me he's incredible."* (Baizhu) So.... Zhongli is only good for people who are bad at the game, *but since your are good, you don't need him anymore.* But also Baizhu may not be the best healer, but for people who *"suck at the game like you," he's great!* Basically you are using the exact same argument of Comfort to, at the same time, diminish the value of one character and increase the value of another. Can't really do that. Gotta stay consistent!
I get what you say, but he’s still not a (must have character imo, he’s good when you play characters like Wanderer or Lyney but other than those few he’s pretty replaceable whether you’re a veteran or a newbie at the game given how easy this game is, had Genshin been a Souls-like game the story would be different but yeah it’s not
@@Franceee___yoimiya, cyno, ganyu, itto, klee, various squishy characters need zhongli. So it's not just those two. And also hu tao. He's more necessary than you think.
The thing about baizhu is, the purpose of burst wasn't the shield. It just glorifies resistance interruption. The purpose was the buff. On ascension passive 4. After the shield breaks it will release a heal from seamless shield. The character who get that heals will get his buff. 50k hp baizhu gives 100% increase on burgeon, hyperbloom, bloom and 40% aggravate and spread. It's sad that wasn't included while rating him.
Forreal, Baizhu is way too underrated here. He's a terrific sustaining support for many Dendro teams even before Furina came out. While he does have high ER needs, managing that isn't even hard since only HP and ER (Crit Rate to a degree too if he's on Fav) needed to be prioritized. Heck I'd argue running Fav on him makes him even better because he'll be contributing both heals and energy to the whole team with just his Skill alone, nvm his Burst supporting your on-fielder with heals and buffs 😂 I don't even agree with the constant comparisons to Yao, like yeag Yao is a very good Dendro healer but Baizhu does what she does more efficiently with way less field time which is a very important difference to bring up. If it were up to me he'd be an easy S tier by miles and this is from someone with C0 Baizhu running on Fav, 40K HP, and Deepwood set. Seriously cannot express enough how badly he is underestimated as a unit.
100% agree, he didn't mention his buff at all and kinda disrespect baizhu's heal as well cause im pretty sure baizhu is the best healer in the game. he only focused on baizhu's weakness forgetting his massive buffs to dendro reaction damage. its like buying a 50k car and got a free merch from it and u only talk about the merch
@@editihic9975 There are variety of teams you can make! Klee Furina Kokomi/Xingqiu Baizhu Klee Furina Kuki Baizhu Klee EM Raiden Xingqiu Baizhu Klee EM Raiden Furina Baizhu I personally build Klee as dps instead of full EM. Furina also helps boost Klee’s damage. I use Electro characters when there are enemies that need electro to stun them like the current spiral abyss.
31:40 one small correction, Furina doesn't just buff elemental damage but damage as a whole, that makes her different from Kazuha who can only buff elements that he can swirl with.
I noticed he doesn't know much about some characters kit. Wanderer can skill dash without using the stamina if you have the passive up. I don't use shielders or healers in my Wanderer run, I only use dash.
unpopular opinion, I don't think nilou is really as broken as he makes it sound. He said it himself that he's ignoring her weaknesses just so he can put her on top of the list. Weaknesses should not be ignored, not to mention you really need to be mindful of who to put in your team (there are so many times i really wanted to put venti or kazuha in a nilou team cause some enemies just don't approach you, but realizes oh you can't put anemo in the team. this might change in the future maybe we'll get a dendro or hydro that can group enemies but i don't think thats happening since hoyo is really focusing anemo to be the only element that can suck). I think she's similar to zhongli, that she's not beginner friendly, since you really need level 90 on your chars for the team to deal damage. I have nilou with level 80 chars, and without proper understanding of who should trigger the blooms, your team DPS plummets significantly to the point you can't 36* abyss. As someone who pulled for her, i don't really recommend pulling for her unless you're a veteran (unless of course you like nilou as a character, then you should definitely pull for her). level 90 characters is a must in her team unless you're mindful who triggers the blooms, and level 90-ing characters take SO MUCH experience books which beginner players DON'T HAVE (or don't have access to level 90). Again i still do think she's a really strong and unique character. but i think this tierlist is overvaluing her cause he said it himself, he ignored her weaknesses.
yeah when team building you instantly have to exclude 5/7 of the roster you have to worry about self damage and who triggers the blooms shes great but not S+ tier (also why is zhongli not beginner friendly?) edit (I rewatched the zhongli part): Eakes saying zhongli isnt beginner friendly and citing him not being able to get stuff done in abyss as proof. But abyss isn't early/beginner game content a beginner who has no game knowledge benefits so much from his shield and not having to learn to dodge and stuff however as you learn these mechanics he becomes less valuable (him getting zhongli on his f2p acc was not bad because zhongli isn't beginner friendly, it was bad because of the fact he's already learned dodging and he didn't need zhongli)
Nilou's biggest weakness is that she's damaging her own teammates. I would like to keep Nahida on the field proc'ing Yelan's burst, but if I do that, she will literally die from Nilou's super bloom.
Nilou's damage ceiling is so incredibly high. My C0R1 Nilou team does as much damage as C2 Raiden Hypercarry or National. That makes her one of the best despite having quite a few weaknesses. I manage to play her with 1k EM Barbara as solo healer but people with skill issue or no pc might not do it.
Wanderer was a game changer for me ,Exploring was never so much fun but now he is always in my exploring team and somehow I managed to get C6 Faruzan and C1 wanderer and he is very fun to use . I you have trouble dodging you can run wanderer freeze teams (wanderer faruzan layla/diona yelan/xingxui) wanderer can also use dehya as teammate(wanderer Faruzan bennet dehya) enabling pryo res
The audacity to put my man Lyney in A tier as opposed to S tier His teams are very f2p friendly- you get a free Xiangling and a Bennett if you played that one event. Not to mention any anemo flex, dendro/geo sheilder, c4 yanfei, thoma if you NA all work with him. His damage output is incredible and all his talents are useful. I would argue his dmg ceiling can rival Hu Tao with proper investment. To be fair, he can be vaguely restricing. But I'm a Lyney lover, so I have to come and defend him at all costs. Anyways, love your content man, you're always so consistently entertaining and informative
It's definitely unfair to "take your bias" out of Miko's placement then dunk on Klee because "she feels bad." She has risen in popularity a lot thanks to Furina and has very synergetic teams with her, and her previous teams are nowhere near bad, although there is an argument that there are better use for her teammates. Still, your bias is heavily showing with Klee's placement, and I feel like you haven't done enough research to justify her placement.
Raiden's only real weakness is that unlike Fischl/Kuki she does literally nothing vs Abyss Shields since her skill requires damage to be dealt to activate. Only flaw in her whole kit (well and not being usable with Beidou).
As a f2p with raiden being my first 5 star character (other than qiqi) def makes me a little biased but she changed my account forever. I seem to end up using her in almost all my teams, but after getting a few more characters like alhaitham and yelan, she doesn’t seem as impressive or useful. She’s still amazing and probably my favorite, but it’s not hard to see she’s really not broken
Only 1 thing i would change, raiden is not s+ tier anymore. At c0 her hypercarry and national teams deal less dmg than an alhaitham or nevillette team. That’s why i personally use her with full EM in hyperbloom, she has some value there but not enough to put in S+.
thank you idk why nobody talks about the fact her best comp didn't change when dendro came out new dps have been getting better and better while shes stayed the same since her release which isnt bad but its not good enough for her to be in S+ tier
That's because you're overfocusing on damage numbers tho, of course she's not gonna do as much damage as those because she also has big support capabilities. She's still S+ because her damage is very competitive despite not being the best, WHILE also giving a shit ton of energy to the team and buffing their bursts. Oh, and there's also the comfy factor of having super armor, which again, none of those you mentioned have. Oh, AND she is one of the 2 best hyperbloom triggers in the game (uncontested best if the healer slot is covered) and a off field electro applier which is a completely different role/character altogether. Damn, I came to explain why she's on par with Neuvillette and Alhaitham but she's definitely better as an overall character lol
Youre only focusing on her damage. You can worry less on ER with other team and focus more on other substats. Her kit makes your team burst more and rotate fast. Team overall damage is what im saying.
@@blastzd The meta is worthless this is not a PVP. Even in the Spiral Abyss he helps survive and even becomes a healer at C6. I don’t mean to be rude, but B tier for Zhongli is absolutely delusional lol
French girl here, just a message to say that you are my favourite content creator on Genshin I just looove your energy, the way you tallk, the way you are explaining things As a new genshin player, your videos are just pure goooold I know I sound like a random fangirl or something, but just, I see so much potential in you, I hope you willl get a lot of subs cause you deserve
I was using Eula since her release until first sumeru patch. She's great tbh, but Idk if I should say this as her downside or not but when using her ulti and stacking autos, her enemies were long dead before her shard exploded lol. I really love her design so much. I'm glad I pulled her❤
It's strange how some of your main points about Lyney are that he's hard to master and has strict team building requirements, yet Klee is sitting 2 tiers below him, who similarly is hard to master but is a lot more flexible. The damage gap also isn't very big when considering Klee's an AoE character and Lyney's AoE isn't that comparable, especially when Klee teams can fit in Kazuha easier according to your own restrictions of Lyney needing a shielder.
He's tier list is very inconsistent. Klee is way better than many people think. But he wasn't just being unfair to her, he was also unfair to Lyney. The fact that he has ganyu and tignari above Lyney even though they are both charged bow users prone to interruption and Lyney does more damage than both of them when you look at the stats under their talent levels shows a lot of bias. So it's not only Klee he was being unfair to.
I am a recent Genshin Impact player with 315 hours under my belt. I managed to gather up 32 characters so far but I have very few S+ and S 5* characters as per your list: Keqing, Furina and Venti. Being a 65 year-old player with fairly stiff fingers, I cannot use my computer keyboard. I use my "magical" Elite Series 2 controller instead. I wrote "magical" because I have logged in thousands of hours on that thing and have yet to experience any stick drift - I love that thing. That's fantastic but I find doing elemental combos difficult because I find taking my finger off the left stick to reach the d-pad awkward. That was until yesterday when it finally dawned on me that I should use the back paddles configured for d-pad input. Now, I can switch characters quickly. PS. Enjoyed the Persona 5 Royal touch in your background music.
awesome tier list , I think Furina position in the tier list might change pretty soon because of future characters , she also enable to any character to use marechaussee hunter set, her off field hydro application and damage. yes we need a healer she comes with pretty good healer "Charlette" I know she is not great but future character going to synergize with her really well (at least i hope), but at this stage yes she feels lot restrictive but man the damage bonus is broken . again super in-depth tier list I hope you reach 1M sub this year .
I’ve always loved and used healers so Furina has been perfect for me. But I wonder how is a character that literally brings a bunch of forgotten characters and teams to life again to the point of not feeling like you “lost” a 50/50 when getting a Tighnari, Jean or even Qiqi not the very definition of “game changing”. Hoyo really did an amazing job with Furina
- I feel like there's definitely some bias going on with nilou. Yes, she is good, but in very particular situations and she is LIMITED ONLY to bloom. If that was the criteria, Childe should also be in S as his one meta team is internat. In addition, Childe's team can clear ANY content, unlike Nilou. In addition, I noticed that nilou without some 5 star supports such as nahida or koko or baizhu feels very meh/average. - Secondly, I'd move raiden down a tier. At c0, there's no outstanding meta teams she rly shines in. - I feel like furina isn't quite kaz/nahida tier. I've been told that Furina needs a teamwide healer like Jean or Baizhu to be "amazing". A team without a good teamwide healer with Furina feels average. - Lastly, Ganyu fell off pretty hard. There's no way she's Alhaitham, hutao, etc level.
ngl dehya being that low is kind of rough. i thought she's gonna be like a c tier character or b tier character after all the new characters. where she can become a good option like hyperbloom neuvilette and a somewhat decent option on Lyney. and furina kind of buffed her a bit. also felt like klee and diluc shouldn't be in the same tier as Aloy and Dehya. and i think Baizhu, Zhongli and Kokomi should be on the same tier, where they are pretty much comfort units. also even if ayato is a jack of all trades master of none. he honestly feels better than cyno and the anemo dpses.
@@davefontanilla3703 she's probably the best on field burgeon trigger(Though that could also go to Klee) in the game since she makes use baizhu and nahida and now furina. but as an off fielder, no... she may not need ER, but her app just feels so slow that i started to get bored with how slow it can be at times and if those cores are close together and if they explode at once then they become wasted and also large mobs and shields. like if i wanna build a off field trigger i'd rather use Thoma/Bennett+Kazuha with Ayato/Kokomi as the onfielder. but if it's Neuvi and dehya this where her slow app works but as a pure burgeon team i'm not really a huge fan of it. i do like instructor dehya as a 4th slot in hyperbloom teams since nahida applies so much dendro that you'll cause alot of burning and enable neuvi to forward vape his damage.
this is my first video ive seen of yours and omg im so happy you're a kokomo fan I LOVE HER anndd yoimiya. those are my two favorite characters of all time istg
Klee is not D you're tripping, absolutely crazy list 😭. Yeah I'm a huge klee fan so I'm a little bias but she's definitely not one of the worst units in the game let's not kid around
Seeing Keqing get the respect she deserves and going in S tier was such a joy. I might be biased because I got her in my first 10 pull and was a main for her for a long time, stopped using her when I pulled Ayaka but I still love using Keqing, just where I'm at in the game (going through inazuma) and when I farm in monastadt for exp books and such electro just feels bad. But she just has such a fun play style and looks so adorable lmao ❤ great video! Stopped playing genshin for a while but Wana get back into it so watching videos on it again and your videos are always such a joy to watch :) keep up the great work man, can tell you put a lot of effort into them and get as much joy into making them as we do watching them
I enjoyed this tier list, as usual mostly based takes. I do feel like you are over compensating with the characters you love but don’t feel are that great. I think Yoimiya and Hu Tao are not as far apart as the tier list makes them seem and Dehya is not as bad either. But yeah pretty minor shifts upward basically. The only other thing I’d change is prob Furina higher, at least in front of Raiden, probably even ahead of Yelan. The things Hoyo were able to stuff into this one character is just mind blowing. Marechausse Hunter is the new VV and Furina is the Kazuha of that set hehe. Neuvillette is straight up power creep, but I guess he is Archon level now so I think it’s justified.
Just something to add as a Wanderer main (also no, I did not skip through this just to watch his part) Yes, when you dash it can take away from his DPS but his later passive can counteract this, giving him a chance to instead keep those points while also doing dmg as he shoots 4 anemo arrows at enemies, which is actually very helpful :)
I really respect that open disclaimer at the start. I've been touting to any newcomer to simply play what they enjoy, and (sadly) a lot of people treat their tier lists as some "be all end all" rather than just someone elses takes/viewpoints on where they see the characters. Much respect. +sub
Kokomi, Zhongli and Neuvilette have to be S+. Kokomi is literally called “The Walking Statue of the Seven”. She is incredibly versatile, has impressive hydro application, healing uptime is almost 100% and she possesses amazing healer-DPS dynamic in her kit. Meanwhile, Zhongli’s QOL shield changes the gameplays a lot, allowing you to be set free from dodging/hitboxing. As for the Hydro Dragon.. he is frickin’ broken. he is self-sustainable, has insane AOE, and DMG multipliers.
videos like these make me realise i reaaally got lucky because my first limited 5* was nahida and then i wished for nilou with like 2 ten pulls left (both had banners in 3.6) and got her as well TT literally carried me through the game ever since
Hey can you share your experiences with nilou? I have well build Nahida and I can't decide which character should I pull on. I want Nahida but I don't have any good healer... I'll pull either alhaitham or nilou for basically abyss. Do you have any opinions about this? Which one will be better with Nahida?
@randomrandom2917 nilou is incredible even with a bad build!! id really recommend her but since it's between alhaitham and nilou... hyperbloom is just That Reaction that allows more team comps and is probably easier to pull off in abyss. I was thinking of pulling for him someday too. nahida is more or less a must with both of them so it's a shame we can't have two nahidas in the abyss ahah
baizhu is without doubt the most underrated character in the game. I've seen a lot of people asking if he is good with furina, i would almost say he is a must pull for furina. they synergize so well its insane. easy fanfare stacks, so many team options. plus i love him and his fun. but he is not a shielder. think of his shield like xingqiu rainswords.
idk I got both him and furina, and I rarely use them together healer Bennett maxes out fanfair stacks without much struggle and now he is just a i-dont-have-nahida cope option for me in hb
I agree he is underrated but definitely not a must pull for Furina. Only on Keqing/Alhaitham/Cyno+Furina quickbloom teams he is needed because Yaoyao needs on field time but that’s about it, he is still extremely good but not a must for Furina. Especially because these units have other teams without Furina. Definitely S tier tho
What’s great about Baizhu is that he can take Nahida’s spot so you can use her on the other side and have more damage dealing characters in Baizhu’s team without worrying about healer.
I love Mona for exploration. Her water run glides so smoothly across Teyvat. It’s not the same using other characters lol Idk what weapon you’re “supposed” to have on Nahida, but I have Sac Frags so multiple waves of enemies don’t worry me too much because her skill usually resets. I love her so much 🥰
ayakas dash is the same thing as monas uhh also nahidas skill is like a 6 second cooldown. sac frags is nessacary unless its like 1 mitachurl for 1st wave, which isnt really a thing
Wriothesely is really good with Furina, having constant passive hydro splashing on enemies while you freeze lock them is super overpowered. Switch to healing mode for Wriothesely's *E* ability for tons of dmg.
got zhongli as my first 5* character and boy i can tell you that I NEVER suffered any difficulties in the overworld (which is 99%) aspect of the game. he is a game changing in a sense that you would not even worry about understanding some mechanic of the game since you can just forced through by using him.
This would only be true if there weren't other characters who can do what he does. If you already have a solid 4 star shielder like Layla, then he no longer can be considered a game changer, rather just a slightly more reliable shield.
As a player who has only been playing for about a month with very limited character options, my entire account is based around Tighnari.. Stringless causing as much spread Dmg as possible clears most of the content I’ve encountered so far
I'm glad that I've got nahida on both accounts on her 1st rerun. ❤ Also got kazuha on both accounts with c1 on my main account. Both nahida and kazuha are indeed crack and are the best in the game.
Its insane to me how much genshin has changed since release, pyro used to be THE element you want but now hydro has completely eclipsed it in therms of good characters
It's because we only keep getting pyro 5* as dps and they are also limited to being single target dps eg. Hu tao yoimiya Lyney all great dps but single target.
You should try Burgeon Klee (1000+ ele mastery). I think it's - by far - her current strongest form. Don't get me wrong, she's still Klee - her animations are atrocious and clunky as all hell, but you'd be absolutely floored by her damage numbers.
Yeah. She can compete with Lyney in this team. Especially Lyney with an shield. Without shkled he is usually stronger but also harder to play Which is a good trade off. More power for more risky gameplay. Similar to Yoimiya vs. Hu Tao.
@@joe_simon not really, lyney doesn’t get anything specific from a shield and because of how many more charge attacks he can do with the interruption resistance he will do more damage, but it’s not shields specifically, Dehya also works really well
@@Nine_Guinea_Pigs The main issue with a shield/Dehya is that Lyney loses either Xianglings damage and Support (C6, C1) or Kazuhas buffing/Grouping if you play a shield/Dehya. And you don't play Lyney without Bennett. Keep in mind that Xiangling does around 25%-30% of the teams damage and i hope i don't have to explain why Kazuha is important. This is why shielded Lyney isn't used at all in Speedruns because with a shield his performance isn't really bettter than Klee (with Cons this can change. At high cons the lost damage of Xiangling isn't that big of an issue anymore). That's my point. Lyney only really outshines Klee in Mono Pyro if used with the best Mono Pyro core. But this comes at a cost of being much harder to play. Which is a good trade off. Klee is much less punishing without a shield and can play the best Mono Pyro team. Lyney is overall stronger than Klee in this team but only with the same team. And if you can play him that way he will perform better. But if you cannot play him that way and you have to add defensive utility Klee gets up to his powerlevel. Which is good balance gamdesing wise.
@@joe_simon yes for speed runs but most bosses now attack too fast and too much for him and he has incredibly low def and hp so he gets oneshot by practically everything
why is noone talking abt kokomi. she never left my team. i got solely dependent on her because of hee constant heals + the fact that her burst heals everyone (even in coop!) off field literally never saw the need for a shield and ive to admit that it made my gameplay stagnant because of my dependency on her 😭😭🙏 shes a goddess!
I’m so happy you said that you can 36* the abyss with anyone because all the other content creators say you HAVE to have Raiden and Kazuha to even breath in this game… it’s a bit annoying as someone who’s learning the game
in content where venti works, there is quite literally no character that matches him. He's the single best swirl damage dealer and he's supposed to be used in content with groups of mods so that swirl can function. Not to mention when he works he does absolutely insane amounts of elemental application due to those swirls + an infusion that lets him apply whatever element at really fast rates + shredding every element he's swirling. He enables Ayaka and Cocogoats best teams against large groups still. He hasn't really fallen off in the content he's made for and can still drag in just about every group of enemies that aren't Elite.
Thank you! I Appreciate all the hard work you put into your videos! I was saddened to see Koko drop and Raiden go up. Raiden is fine, but I don't see what's changed in the past 8 months to warrant the boost up to top tier, while Koko being a healer should have actually been the one getting a big boost due to Fontaine mechanics. But to each their own! 😅
As someone who has built Neuvillette, I almost always bring Childe with him. 1) Hydro resonance 2) Childe talent The harbinger boy doesn't even come out. He is just...there.
I see you forgot to put Dehya in S+ tier. Ill let it slide this time since you're pretty accurate most the time. Also i would put Kokomi beside Zhongli because any of them or both of them open up so many more doors to your account than Venti or Alhaitham do.
in my opinion you shouldnt always pull for anyone you want, i believe that you should pull for 1-2 that you really like and then pull for other characters that enables them very well, for example if you really like hu tao, you might want to pull for a yelan or zhongli, that way playing your favorite character will feel even better
I feel like you could pull for anyone you want just cause we have broken 4* like Bennet and Xinqiu to make any character good. Nahida is maybe the closest one to “must pull” imo
I've found Mona is so absurdly helpful, damage boost, running over water, her bursts has a large AOE and if she's built with emblem you can clear enemy groups with her and Bennett with ease (I also just really like her and I am salty she's so low)
Id say the only way Nuevilette could fall off is if future abysses are less forgiving towards hydro characters as a whole and since a team for nuevilette is really wierd to make, basically needing kazuha and furina, it could lead to some flexibility issues as stated. We will see tho
Ganyu should be in bruh tier and nowhere near Tartaglia and Alhaitham. Same with Miko, Venti, Zhongli, Tighnari and Ketchup should all be in BRUH tier, C0 Raidedn should be is BRRRRRRRUH tier after realizing Kuki is better for the job. Raiden in S+ tier is the best joke of 2023
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how are you not 1millie? at the very least 300k. anyone that grabs my undivided attention for an hour with my adhd is just too good lol
Furina has 100% uptime on ult buff with good heals. How is she not above raiden
the tier list is good though
NEUVILLETTE > YOUR MOM
Hydro really is the strongest element
The fact that Neuvillette can solo later floors in the abyss at C0 is mind boggling to me
He is a dragon sovereign tho.
I have neuvi but in my opionion he needs a nerf because thats way too much 😬
@@SinsFate actually, his only drawback (other than knockback) is that he does not apply consistent reactions, so he won't work on vape, or any bloom reactions at all.
@@ANoobInvoid yah bro but imo its still too much dmg for C0.
I wonder how the C0 soloers will do once the multiwaves of cancercrated beasts comeback.
Saying Neuvillet isn't game changing is like saying winning 10mil lottery isn't life changing because you didn't get promoted at your local McDonald's.
Couldn't have said it better. He is game changing in the way he is the first hypercarry to completely auto sustain and auto buff. He is a character you don't need specific team comps to make him work. He put Xiao in A tier BECAUSE he has such specialised supports but then complains about Neuv for not facing those issues... There is a consistency problem in this tierlist, clearly.
@@medbeth9857 exactly 😔
True neuvellete changes my abyss . I can easily go through floor 12 chamber 3 thanks to only neuvellete
@@helgamers5496with f2p weapon or signature weapon?
@@nightfury2472 even with an f2p weapon he clears. cleared abyss SUPER easily with r5 proto amber and fischl beidou and kazuha
Furina and Neuvillette being next to each other in the list is lovely
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Furina's most broken utility is enabling every character in the game to use marinara hunter
Yeah furina is super good literally a game changer if you have Jean or baizhu but I don't have both so I skipped her for raiden and nahida new player btw 😅
@@deeptale1247i would suggest getting kazuha too. He is so broken. He can make any dps overpowered.
@@deeptale1247i dont use baizhu nor jean, instead i use raiden nasional while furina replace xinqiu so i can use him on top current spiral abyss
@@deeptale1247That's exactly what I did yesterday.. but I decided to wish on her banner to throw away my 50/50, but instead I got furina and what's more surprising is that I got her c1 on my second try.
However, I think there's still plenty of time to save up for the raiden, even now I've collected around 50 pulls. For a newbie account, there are still lots of places to mine primo
Furina has instantly became an S+ tier character and I’m really happy of that because she is my favorite character of Genshin and she has an awesome kit
I still think Zhong Li is a game changer. He completely changes the way you can play the game. No more dodging. You can completely ignore some game mechanics. For quality of life, he's a must pull.
Same with Kokomi. Her healing is massive and basically on 100% uptime. It's almost impossible to die with her on your team. So for quality of life, she's a must pull.
If you want to enjoy the game more, pull for these two characters.
No way. Using Zhongli on the team takes a slot away from a way more fun character. I like lots of reactions though so I have him c1 and never use him.
Kokomi is amazing on Nilou bloom tho that shit is way too fun.
@@connerjessop8422 Yes true but Zhongli is such a game changer that you forget to dodge.
The thing with zhongli, there's not a one stop shop anymore, corrosion counters shield, hard hitting mobs like consecrated beast breaks his shield before you can refresh it so you still have to dodge, no synergy with dendro, kokomi is lucky and not lucky, she have something more for being hydro and a healer, but also facing stiffer competition with other hydro options and other healer options
@@KenruliI agree Zongli is a game changer, but yo I recently learned that you don’t even need the shield. Like this game isn’t even close to being as hard as dark souls, I feel like the only time I ever die is if I die from fall damage. Genuinely tho not having to dodge is fine, but when you can already one shot literally everything and still not have to wait to do asention quests more than 1-2 days is perfect. Later on down the line zongli loses so much value cuz as someone said he takes up one whole spot and that spot is essential for damage in abyss cuz it’s not a clear type content it’s a times style content so you wana do dmg fast without dying not last forever and eventually whittle down the enemy…
Now that more character supports are dropping , using zhongli makes single party slot taken away instead of using those supports , but it is your choice to use anyone and can be biased.
As you've title the tiers, imo, Zhongli definitely deserves a spot in the Game Changers tier. Simply because that's just what he objectively does. He enables players to quite literally ignore an essential mechanic like dodging, and depending on the team he is in, sometimes deletes the need for a healer.
Not to mention that his shield has 100% up time, and as if that wasn't enough, his shield gives a 20% omni shred in a small AOE around the player while it's up...which is all of the time.
His burst, disregarding the DMG it does, is essentially a better freeze in terms of cc since it works on cryo slimes and shielded cryo abyss mages. The only enemies it can't petrify are boss enemies. Tired of running around chasing enemies in the abyss and losing precious time? Press Q with Zhongli, now they can't move, if they're even alive that is.
Anyways, that's my two cents. I definitely believe Zhongli to be a game changer character and definitely should be in S+ tier.
yes I agree with you a 100000% Zhongli is absolutely S+ tier game changer legend!
No because characters like Layla exist, he isn't a must pull. He might be the best shielder still, but when a 4 star like Layla who has 100% uptime and also very durable, he no longer is a necessity. With other reliable shielders in the game he wouldn't be considered a game changer.
Also Realistically Zhongli's burst animation is a DPS loss, particularly if you have him built more for shield.
@@shinobu1886 layla doesn't come close to zhongli. Zhongli is the absolute beast of a shielder! Yes you can have your opinions, but it wouldn't change the fact that zhongli's shield is the best in game.
@@Ali-h3b1i Please make sure you properly read my comment next time. I already stated Zhongli is still the best shielder. This is not relevant however if we are taking about being a “game changer”.
Again, If a 4 star character like Layla can do what he does and have a shield that can reliably withstand most damage in the game with 100% uptime, then by definition he is not a game changer. He simply is nothing more than a mild upgrade to an existing feature. Additionally many people considering Layla as the potential second best shielder in the game, would imply that she is somewhat close to him.
Many people consider QIQI one of if not the best pure healers in the game, yet is almost universally agreed she’s one of the worst characters since she provides nothing else. Not saying Zhongli is on her level, as he can have some other uses, but simply being the best at one particular thing when there are alternatives does not make one a game changer.
@@shinobu1886 sure I can agree with you. Sorry was not intending to offend or anything 😅I was talking from my own personal experience having both layla and zhongli. And for me Zhongli is indeed a game changer. This wouldn't mean that it is the best and there might be some broken whale laylas out there with better shields then my zhongli. I'm talking from a comfort point of view. For me he changed my game and overall experience completely. In fact before him I was using layla as my shielder and she was pretty helpful no doubt. So that's why for me he "can" be a game changer for players with similar experience as me.
For Ayato I think people underrate him completely. I often hear his name come with the phrase. "Jack of all trades, master of none." Which people tend to use in a negative manner. But what people don't realize is that the full quote is "Jack of all trades, master of none. Though oftentimes, better than master of one." He's so versatile. Has a fun play style. Great burst. All around a very good character for any account imo. He's definitely S.
I dont have ayato so can't comment on that but seems very fun tho
BUT the Jack of trades quote - Finally a brethern WHO knows the full quote and uses it properly. I have tears of joy
That isn't the full original quote. It is a modern addition to try and make it sound less critical.
@@wy100101 That is the original quote. And people shorten it to be derogatory. It's not some modern "snowflake" edit.
@@ItzAndyArson no it isn't. That is a modern addition to it.
@@wy100101 Whatever you say to make yourself feel better bro
cyno is the perfect example of a character suffering from success. normally you would think a long burst and a lot of damage is a good thing. but for him, he kills the enemies too fast and unless u run through his entire burst cycle, he won't have enough energy to burst again as soon as the cool down is gone. but if u continue his burst cycle you're supports will run out and he'll be dealing just electro dmg and he can't do much electro damage cuz he's supposed to be played with dendro
That is essentially why shorter cycles work better, because even if you mess up the er, it’s not that difficult to restart the cycle
i can't help but compare him to xiao due to both having similar burst-mode style gameplay.
xiao's supports are mostly numerical like ATK, -RES, and DMG bonus which mean all it does is increase his raw anemo damage. when the supports expire, his damage lowers, but he can still do his plunges.
cyno whose damage heavily relies on reaction, mostly use the application of other elements as support. meaning if it expire mid-burst, he becomes much weaker compared to someone like xiao because he can't trigger the mechanics that makes him strong.
other aggravate/hyperbloom teams don't suffer such problem because they are usually quickswappy, letting the dendros/hydros reapply their abilities in timely manners.
People seem to base their takes on how the character was on release. With Furina and Baizhu, Cyno outclasses Keqing by a lot and is comparable to the top dps characters/teams in the game. On release he was comparable to Keqing but now you must be out of your mind to think they are comparable. Similar thing with Xiao. Xiao with c6 Faruzan is around A tier (strong characters) as well.
I have a lot of issues with the placements but the most glaring one is Nilou. No way in hell, Nilou is on the same tier as Nahida, Kazuha and Yelan. Raiden and Neuvillette are arguable but Nilou should be A tier and not at the top
@@LD-yy6qt needing a 5 star unit to be better is not good, of course hes better with furina but with no furina youre just playing cyno on release, imagine if hutao needed yelan and didnt work with xingqiu, itd be a con rather than a pro. Accessibility is everything
@@Zythroxes way I look at tier lists/character strength is a character in their strongest team otherwise there's no point. If it's a tier list considering how f2p a character is then sure, but just talking character strength I don't see why a character shouldn't get their strongest team in these discussions.
On the note of cyno, even without Furina he would be
imo for anyone who likes to explore teyvat, wanderer is a must pull
Right! and he's an S or S+ or in between with C6 Faruzan
wanderer sucks besides exploreing
I'd say if you like exploration AND him as a character
I'm not a fan of his gameplay so I'll never pull for him and can explore without him just fine 🤷♀️
bro just yelan + iq to solve puzzles = no need for wanderer
for me, getting Zhongli is a hack
it's crazy how in the start of the game, cryo was once dubbed as the best element and electro was the worst. Dendro came in and it just swapped.
geo was always the worst (i am an itto main)
Just wait for natlan to release and it'll change again
No chance pyro was the best early which changed to anemo after people became good. Ganyu was the best of her time not cryo
@@lythe2066Wait Chiori kits and we'll see. Don't get you hopes up high tho
she is probably going to be a four star specialised for navia (according to leakers though so it might not be true)@@thornszk
Moral of the story: Should've pulled for C2 Baizhu.
Nah
Not if my life depended on it
Just use Sacrificial Fragments. You get enough healing for the whole team, more energy, and more Dendro application.
I'm very happy choosing to pull on Furina instead. Cost me 160-something pulls cause I lost my 50/50 but I'm so happy I got her.
Nah that low budget character aint worthit
Venti literally carries me most of the time. I'm happy to see someone saying that, while he CAN feel average, in a lot of ways he is AMAZING. 😊
He’s in the same place he’s been since 2.0. In content where he works he’s the best unit in the game, in content where he doesn’t he’s mid and feels kind of bad to use
That's what I thought too , until I reached inazuma 😂
He goes from broken to mid because the devs directly nerfs him via future enemy.... Its venti vs mihoyo/hoyoverse..... Wth he cant suck specter while kazuhan could...
@@shadecross451 he can suck specter, its already updated hehe
@@aliakaza4938 But they nerfed Inazuman enemies, for me, he's a better Specter killer compared to other characters in game
I’ll never regret pulling for zhongli, got him and a lot of other strong characters but using him has saved me SO many times.
The only reason I don’t think Nilou is S+ is because she needs a very specific team comp. In my opinion, this slot should be reserved for the most powerful AND flexible characters. If you fit one but don’t fit both, drop to S. That said, I’m ABSOLUTELY pulling for her next time she comes up! I have Yelan, Nahida, and Yao Yao already so all I need now is her lol!
That's the thing she doesn't need any specific team comp people just swear by nahida
tbf shes rlly good in some of the strongest teams, shes good with bloom, hyberbloom and freeze teams
And she kinda have a problem with big hp enemies like bosses, especially single boss, for double (like enkanomiya lizard) or triple magu kenki she's still soo good
Doesnt matter cause the damage ceiling on that team is ridiculously high and we already have a bunch of teammate options she can make characters regarded as "weak" work insanely well (Collei, Barbara, arguably dendro MC). It doesnt matter how specific her team requirements are if that team is simply one of the best teams there are atm. On top of that hydro is stacked and hydro and dendro are the best elements in the game with more characters to come.
My issue with Nilou after using her is that you are restricted to only dendro and hydro teammates for her to get the instant bloom explosion.
If she had access to an Anemo character to bring in the enemies along with Nilou's gameplay, it would have been instant S+ tier to me. Right now, without a way to group enemies easily to trigger dendro hydro reactions, I find that I spend a lot of time just running to enemies to trigger the bloom reaction and and it's really annoying when Nilou's E skill duration does not last that long to get a lot of those explosions to happen.
My honest rating for Nilou is at best a S-tier and depending on your roster with a lack of good hydro/dendro characters, would just be an A-tier.
Diluc may not be top tier damage wise but damn he feels so fluid to play
His attacks can sometimes push enemies away costing time in the abyss
Most of the time enemies are too heavy, and if not, just build your diluc to kill everything on burst and problem solved. Like I regularly use him in the abyss and don't have such problems?
Nah Yelan is litteraly fluid
He’s clearly better than Dehya Aloy Klee, Qiqi (bro Qiqi can’t do damage) he should be at least C tier
@@grellowny6978literally the people who say he’s bad don’t know how to play him
As someone who started playing genshin almost exactly a year back and got zhongli in 4.0 He is definitely a game changer. In fontaine the enemies hit so hard that honestly if I could have zhongli on both sides then nothing like it. I feel like DPS has become a non issue as of late due to dendro and hyperbloom where you can run zhongli on deepwood and fav. He's a universal resistance shredder and lets you play literally anyne without having to worry about survivability
19:32 This is possibly one of the wildest takes on Zhongli I've seen. Firstly, you're not a beginner, and I'd assume you'd know how to dodge and learn enemy attack patterns, so you'll obviously have less of a need of Zhongli's shield than an actual beginner.
Second, the hardest part about abyss for beginners is not the DPS check. It's about game knowledge and skill level. A player with top tier characters with no idea how to build or utilize them will struggle a lot more than someone who's watched a couple guides or two. Even then, it takes a sizable amount of time to learn core combat mechanics of the game, like reactions, dodging, and rotations. Zhongli has to be possibly the easiest character for a beginner to learn and utilize effectively, whilst still providing a beginner with a DPS boost through survivability and resistance shred. Even strong DPSes like Neuvillette take time to learn how to dodge enemies effectively, while Zhongli allows any character to easily breeze through the survivability check.
The problem I have with your take about beginners is that the majority of beginners are not at your skill level. While you may find it more efficient for yourself to pick a strong DPS or offensive support over Zhongli, do you really think that a beginner would be able to utilize those characters more effectively than a one man tank? In your F2P account, you already have the knowledge of how to dodge, build characters, and form teams, but a beginner doesn't have those skills. You didn't put yourself in the shoes of a beginner in your take.
I was a new player on Neuvillete’s banner and I listened to the wrong people who told me that Hu Tao was better than him. She feels like hot garbage to play and is my most regretted character I have. Hopefully Neuvi get a really quick rerun
Yea they did you nasty, Hu Tao is a pain to play unless she is C1.
Well, that'a why there is a trial for banner characters so that you can try and feel the gameplay of characters. And decide who you like more
i get carpal tunnel syndrome just thinking about jump canceling to make her deal damage.
i got both and i can agree she doesnt feel good enough compared to neuv the problem is she needs an insane investment unlike neuv. and my hu tao is still not good enough after two months while neuv is destroying one half of the abyss alone with 2weeks of farming and he still has room to improve...
I did 50 pulls into hu tao, and then changed course to neuvilette. I can't say I regretted it, but I can't imagine how many primos i would have if i didnt pull him. Also my only 2 limited 5 stars are neuvi and furina so i cant clear hydro bosses LOL
I really disagree with you on Baizhu, having to wait for YaoYao's burst to be active for you to get healed is just weird and uncomfortable. Baizhu does it all in his skill and everybody is alive and well with his burst. It so not the same like at all . Seriously.
I agree with like 99% of this list but I would say Zhongli is S+ for sure for almost any account. Shields are almost never going to stop being useful and he also shreds enemy resistances so your damage dealers can do great damage without having to constantly move or dodge. I think making your team invincible is pretty game changing
Since Genshin has been out for so long, higher level players have found less use for him. He’s very easily replaceable by any shielder or healer because Genshin enemies just don’t hit hard enough to require his shield. Also, since he’s geo, he takes away the slot of having another buff or elemental application
@@unoqueen_ i completely agree
also a 20% shred isn't that much when if you learn to dodge u can use someone who can apply a useful element to trigger reactions
however the way this tier list is set up is just so bad
its a meta tier list but the tier descriptions dont do a good job showing that
zhongli is a game changer because he makes it so you dont have to dodge but he isn't s+ tier
Dehya is actually getting better with Fontaine's release. I always use her with Neuvillette for her anti-interruption 😌
Neuvillette solos
@@Saberdud neuvi is basically big dady of game
I love Dehya as a character, but her interruption resistance duration doesn't even match her skill's duration. Why would I not just use a shielder?
I don't think dehyas getting better the dude can solo abyss 💀
@@liquidsky7-bb8pc I have zhongli but I'm having more fun with burgeon teams with her
I KNOW THIS IS A C0 TIER LIST, SO MY OPINIONS MAY NOT BE ENTIRELY RELEVANT. SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE CONSTELLATION/INVESTMENTS TALK, PLEASE IGNORE THIS.
ALSO, TEXT WALL WARNING!!!
In my opinion, Neuvillette should be in a tier above on his own. That dude is so busted and there are so many things TC calculations numbers game don't say. People who call him a "DPS-only without providing the team with anything or support" is just batsh*t ignorant (Refer to points 6-8 below). Just at C1 he just trivialize combat content that isn't hydro-immune. Some of the things people don't consider ON TOP of his ridiculous damage:
1. He has broken range and AOE.
2. He can deal with single target, multi target, multi waves with EASE.
3. He is not very burst reliant, especially for overworld enemies.
4. His beam pierces through "physical" shields (Mitachurl, big geo eremites, probably even big double axe guy etc)
5. His beam shreds through elemental shields (Non-Hydro Abyss Mages, Slimes etc. Yes it works on cryo too, especially Mondstadt talent book domain which took me by surprise.)
6. Regarding the DPS-only thing mentioned above, he can spin and hit everything, which makes him equal to a cc slot because he don't need a cc. Heck, it is even better than those cc characters, especially swapping and burst animation is not required, and even more so against large and difficult to/unable to pull enemies.
7. He heals himself by A LOT, which makes him equal to a healer slot because he is pretty much always on field and heals almost half his health every time.
8. At C1, he does not even need shields, he could move around and even when hit, can nullify interruption. This also makes him equal to a shielder slot for not requiring a shield.
9. At this point he could even SOLO the abyss when decently built, making you only have to worry about one other side. What Nahida? What Yelan? What Furina? All those require more members. Yes, its a team game to some people, but the fact that more characters are required compared to his solo ability kind of says something about him being on a whole other level.
10. Even if you have difficulty SOLO-ing abyss, you could just put some unused "0.1% usage rate" characters such as heizou as fillers. A VV heizou + any unused other element + any hydro for resonanace would be overkill enough. Heizou + other element will give Neuvillette 3 Draconic stacks, pretty much 1.6x damage. VV and hydro resonance further increases DPS.
11. Ever seen a c6 Neuvillette spin in combat events? 100k+ score and stuff. There is almost no competition how much better Neuvillette is at multi target multi wave compared to any other maximum invested characters. The only exception being Childe's riptide during certain combat events at low difficulty, but even that is not close enough to a real maxed out Neuvillette. Also battling single target does not diminish his DPS towards that single enemy either. To add on, if a player chooses to invest, his c6 further increases his single target capabilities even further.
12. He is stup*d easy to use. No need to manage maximum stacks buff time, balls don't expire that quickly, no need to manage a bunch of gimmicks like HP loss, damage increase over time etc to output good damage.
There isn't anything I can find that isn't hydro immune that Neuvillete can't delete. At higher constellations it gets even more absurd, which makes him the most worth character to invest in, to me, and also why I went all in on him (I mean I have a c6 Nahida and c6 Furina too, but R1). I have videos of him c6 solo Abyss seahorse (70% Hydro resistance) under 1min30s, and him solo a Local Legend with about 20 million equivalent HP (2 million+ HP with I believe 210% hydro resistance or higher, I was doing about 10% of usual damage) in 4min+. If not for the existence of elemental-immune enemies, ALL my characters except ZL and Kazuha would've already been benched.
If anything about Hydro immunity, Hydro-immune enemies are the easiest "elemental immunity" enemies to deal with in the entire game. Simply because most of these pricks ARE ALWAYS AFFECTED BY HYDRO. Traveler-Kuki hyperbloom is enough to delete these enemies. Basically Neuvi-Trav-Kuki-Hydro is enough for most combat content overworld (exceptions maybe enemies like the geo cube). Maybe only the 2 Hydro Local Legends will require some skill, but Neuvi can be on field to tank and heal (cancel CA after absorbing balls) while leaving Traveler burst and kuki skill to do the job.
He may not output the highest damage in the first few seconds for single target, but his sustained damage is definitely the highest. His closest DPS NUMBERS GAME competitor is pretty much a c6 vape Furina.
There are showcases of c6 Furina poking enemies with hundreds of thousands of VAPE damage, but those are, in the end, showcases that require ample preparations such as draining team HP for Jean to maximise Furina buffs instantly (so that the salon members don't take too much time from the 10s limit to attack after using skill, and messing up vapes), fully stacked R5 Key for EM boost, probably instructor set on support, Freedom Sworn. All for 6x c6 special attacks to hit within a tight 10s or less. Anymore enemies, she falls off. Even if its just right number of hits to dispatch all enemies, your team HP will still be quite full due to Jean full heal and Furina passive, and that salon members wont be able to drain much during the time frame. There is also the issue with energy. Very likely the entire team do not have sufficient energy to go for a 2nd wave, while also considering Furina is burst reliant for that vape damage, as well as her skill activation, which has 20s cooldown. That is without considering the POINTS 1-12 I made above.
Continuing with c6 Furina Issues, she is single target, walled by shields and can't efficiently break elemental shields (I also have a small clip within a Neuvi focused video where my c6 Furina stuggled with a Shield Mitachurl), wants a healer, prefers an on-field DPS after her 6 hits, can't hit some flying enemies with c6 pneuma because sword be too short, GETS INTERRUPTED (really hated this when I get juggled around by some attacks), MELEE RANGED (just feels clunky and peasant-y having to run up close to enemies after experiencing Neuvillette, also combos with no interruption resistance for extra frustration). One thing about her is that she is way more fun in Co-Op FOR YOUR CO-OP TEAMMATES.
I totally I agree, thanks for this comprehensive input
I have him at C0, Talent 10-6-6 and deal so much damage that i dont even use Mona's burst. he's just that good!!
I agree, I'm using him with dehya since he's a c0 and I don't have shielder and the two are my whole team ❤. Should I pull for zhongli or just invest on kazuha to gather the enemies?
Neuv is easy S+ with not only your explanation, but he is great out of the box with no real investment besides the typical artifacts loadout and leveling. Just his own charged attack deletes overworld, and makes Abyss so much easier since he's easy to use while dealing a ton of damage.
For just C0, one of the best characters to get if you want the game to be easier with a very limited character roster for new players.
nuev is the only true SS character. I'm a raiden fanboy but nuev is really on a tier of his own
Baizhu assesment is unfair. You're expecting him to be Zhongli when in reality he is closer to Xingqiu (interruption resistance and element application wise). Yes his shields are short, but if you're not dodging just because you have a shield - what are you even doing, skill issue, I've never been knocked out in his shield. He gives heals, interruption resistance AND dendro application, his kit is SO incredibly useful and valuable, I wish I had more characters like him of different elements. And his energy needs are not that bad, you can just get a sac or a fav and that's it. For me he felt game-changing, but he deserves S tier at least.
Also Yelan is not a game changer because that is Xinqiu, you can't change the game by just copying what's already in it. She is just XQ without the interruption resistance, damage reduction and healing, but with more dmg and buffs for elements other than hydro (yes, one of XQs constellations buffs hydro other than himself). She's really good, but she's no original, let's not kid ourselves.
Wanderer....I do agree more or less, but he doesn't consume stamina when dodging, instead he deals a bit of damage while dodging. Just positioning/moving around and using the free dodges is enough most of the time, I almost never have to do the draining dodges with him, those are just hiccups and not an actual problem. Again, skill issue.
If you're one of those players who're still stuck in 2.0 and only play Raiden national and Hutao vape, of course Yelan is game-changing for you, you always wanted two Xinqius and now you got it. But like....bffr, most people don't want to be miserable like that so they have no use for Yelan whatsoever.
Zhongli NOT is S+ tier is a crime. Like you said, he trivializes the game. IDC if he's somewhat of a dps loss, he makes the game literally easy. Also, Itto in C tier is kinda harsh. My Itto swings for about 40K crits consistently and he's only C2. And I don't even run him mono-geo.
"only c2" :'(
"Only c2"💀💀💀💀💀
Noelle better than midtto
Doesn't he provide also elemental shred? That's a nice dps boost.
No matter how much dehya is hated, I randomly got her in her banner on a 10 pull and love her. Above all, she is beautiful. I play her as sub dps/support in a Raiden, Sara, Bennett team because my Kazuha is already in my Ayaka Freeze team. It's funny and the extra pyro damage isn't bad at all. :D
He doesn't need to do anything else to be top tier, but Kazuha is also amazing for having a stamina reduction passive for dashing and his double jump for launching, gliding, and zero-stamina climbing in a pinch. Being Anemo with a dash passive is amazing because you can run Sayu as a miner or Jean healer or Lynette for her E dash or Wanderer for flight and have effectively infinite stamina. If you have Yelan and don't have Wanderer he's not as good for replacing Wanderer's flight but with another Anemo he at least enables infinite dashing. It's rare enough having an exploration passive that has combat value, but it's also on the absolute best element to have it, and you don't exactly need to find an excuse to put Kazuha in a party.
I think adding another category "Situationally Very Strong" below S would have been helpful and putting Venti - Ayaka - Shenhe in it is safer.
Niolu only works with one single team where you can only use two elements: confidence in S+
Neuvillette can work in multiple teams and has many options for those teams and making a team for him might as well be optional: forced by chat to put him in S+
Probably an unpopular opinion, but as a Yanfei main who also has Klee, she feels like a weaker version of Yanfei. Damage-wise Klee might be better because she's still a 5* while Yanfei isn't, but her Yanfei's playstyle feels sooooo much better. Klee's short range feels like torture when you're used to Yanfei who has one of the biggest ranges out of the catalyst users.
as a ningguang main who doesnt have yanfei, is yanfei better?
@@randomness.stupidnessyeah cuz she can use the vape reaction
Ning being geo is just unfair lol
@@codeeeythis is actually incorrect, even with vape and melt yanfe is weaker than ninguang , yanfei is super dookie unless running burgeon since you can vape and burgeon
@@Hanasittnah you tripping bro.. Ningguang's raw damage may be higher because she has a damaging burst but overall gameplay Yanfei takes it.. her normals are smooth and not clunky.. her playstyle that revolves around stacking normal attacks then charged is also smooth it's like you're not even doing a charged attack just a normal attack combo.. she can shield for herself.. like literally easier to use than Ningguang who has the same kind of gameplay but has slow janky animations.. and she's pyro meaning you can take advantage of vape/melt.. you don't even need burgeon on her.. just stick her with a Xingqiu or Yelan or Charlotte..
@@randomness.stupidness only because yanfei is pyro
if ningguang had an element other than geo she'd probably do better than yanfei
but yes imo yanfei is better
I actually disagree about Zhongli, I have the opposite opinion. I think he's great for beginners who aren't that good at the game yet and I'm super glad he was my first limited 5-star. But as I got further into the game, I started using him less and less because I got better and my characters got stronger so there wasn't a big need for his shield anymore. I think he's definitely S+ tier if you suck at dodging or if you're simply lazy, because it's amazing to just be able to attack the enemies and not have worry about taking any damage. I still use him against weekly bosses and in the Abyss and he's so comfortable, but other than he's not really needed anymore.
As for Baizhu I actually really really love him, he's so comfy to play. I don't like to use bursts in the overworld at all and having to wait for my burst in the Abyss because the energy isn't filled up yet would stress me out when it comes to healing, so I much prefer healers who heal with their skill, and I think Baizhu is the best one who does that. Of course there's Kokomi too who heals a ton, but I definitely prefer Baizhu over her because he heals your entire party and that's so overpowered. I feel like a lot of times it's a huge risk to try to heal your low HP character by swapping to them because they'll just immediately get oneshot before getting any heals, so it's so much better that you can swap out to a different character and heal the injured one first before putting them on field again. Then again, I do suck at this game so these are just skill issue opinions lmao, I admit Baizhu probably isn't the absolute best healer in the game when you're actually good at playing it, but for people like me he's incredible.
For certain characters you likely gonna play with zhongli so its fine
If you look at the name of the categories, *"S+"* is defined as *"Game Changers".*
I think your own example explains exactly how Zhongli could fit in that category. *He changes the game.* He changes the way you play:
You don't have to dodge. You don't have to time everything perfectly. You don't have to worry about positioning, or worry about dying, or healing. You can just go all out unga-bunga.
Some characters are "Game Changers" in terms of *Power,* and some characters are "Game Changers" in terms of *Comfort.*
I think Zhongli is one of them. And considering that the vast majority of the Genshin playerbase is *casual,* Zhongli deserves his place near the top of the List.
I also find quite interesting the fact that you seemed to have done a complete *180 U-turn* in the second half of your paragraph.
In the beginning, you explain how Zhongli is *"great for beginners who aren't that good at the game,"* but as you got more experienced, you got *better and didn't need him anymore.*
But then, when you mention Baizhu, you have a change of heart. Suddenly you aren't good at the game anymore and Baizhu is your savior. You said it yourself:
*"Then again, I do suck at this game so these are just skill issue opinions lmao (...) for people like me he's incredible."* (Baizhu)
So.... Zhongli is only good for people who are bad at the game, *but since your are good, you don't need him anymore.*
But also
Baizhu may not be the best healer, but for people who *"suck at the game like you," he's great!*
Basically you are using the exact same argument of Comfort to, at the same time, diminish the value of one character and increase the value of another.
Can't really do that. Gotta stay consistent!
I get what you say, but he’s still not a (must have character imo, he’s good when you play characters like Wanderer or Lyney but other than those few he’s pretty replaceable whether you’re a veteran or a newbie at the game given how easy this game is, had Genshin been a Souls-like game the story would be different but yeah it’s not
You mean Kuki dies when you swap back to her and get clapped?
@@Franceee___yoimiya, cyno, ganyu, itto, klee, various squishy characters need zhongli. So it's not just those two. And also hu tao. He's more necessary than you think.
The thing about baizhu is, the purpose of burst wasn't the shield. It just glorifies resistance interruption. The purpose was the buff.
On ascension passive 4. After the shield breaks it will release
a heal from seamless shield. The character who get that heals will get his buff. 50k hp baizhu gives 100% increase on burgeon, hyperbloom, bloom and 40% aggravate and spread. It's sad that wasn't included while rating him.
Baizhu seriously makes my Klee burgeon so strong I love him 💖
Forreal, Baizhu is way too underrated here. He's a terrific sustaining support for many Dendro teams even before Furina came out. While he does have high ER needs, managing that isn't even hard since only HP and ER (Crit Rate to a degree too if he's on Fav) needed to be prioritized. Heck I'd argue running Fav on him makes him even better because he'll be contributing both heals and energy to the whole team with just his Skill alone, nvm his Burst supporting your on-fielder with heals and buffs 😂
I don't even agree with the constant comparisons to Yao, like yeag Yao is a very good Dendro healer but Baizhu does what she does more efficiently with way less field time which is a very important difference to bring up. If it were up to me he'd be an easy S tier by miles and this is from someone with C0 Baizhu running on Fav, 40K HP, and Deepwood set. Seriously cannot express enough how badly he is underestimated as a unit.
100% agree, he didn't mention his buff at all and kinda disrespect baizhu's heal as well cause im pretty sure baizhu is the best healer in the game. he only focused on baizhu's weakness forgetting his massive buffs to dendro reaction damage. its like buying a 50k car and got a free merch from it and u only talk about the merch
@@faerieinwonderland who do you play with klee andbaizhu, want to try that since I love both of the characters.
@@editihic9975 There are variety of teams you can make!
Klee Furina Kokomi/Xingqiu Baizhu
Klee Furina Kuki Baizhu
Klee EM Raiden Xingqiu Baizhu
Klee EM Raiden Furina Baizhu
I personally build Klee as dps instead of full EM. Furina also helps boost Klee’s damage. I use Electro characters when there are enemies that need electro to stun them like the current spiral abyss.
31:40 one small correction, Furina doesn't just buff elemental damage but damage as a whole, that makes her different from Kazuha who can only buff elements that he can swirl with.
I noticed he doesn't know much about some characters kit.
Wanderer can skill dash without using the stamina if you have the passive up. I don't use shielders or healers in my Wanderer run, I only use dash.
Do not let bro cook💀
This man deserves way more subscribers. One of the best genshin youtuber
unpopular opinion, I don't think nilou is really as broken as he makes it sound. He said it himself that he's ignoring her weaknesses just so he can put her on top of the list. Weaknesses should not be ignored, not to mention you really need to be mindful of who to put in your team (there are so many times i really wanted to put venti or kazuha in a nilou team cause some enemies just don't approach you, but realizes oh you can't put anemo in the team. this might change in the future maybe we'll get a dendro or hydro that can group enemies but i don't think thats happening since hoyo is really focusing anemo to be the only element that can suck). I think she's similar to zhongli, that she's not beginner friendly, since you really need level 90 on your chars for the team to deal damage. I have nilou with level 80 chars, and without proper understanding of who should trigger the blooms, your team DPS plummets significantly to the point you can't 36* abyss.
As someone who pulled for her, i don't really recommend pulling for her unless you're a veteran (unless of course you like nilou as a character, then you should definitely pull for her). level 90 characters is a must in her team unless you're mindful who triggers the blooms, and level 90-ing characters take SO MUCH experience books which beginner players DON'T HAVE (or don't have access to level 90).
Again i still do think she's a really strong and unique character. but i think this tierlist is overvaluing her cause he said it himself, he ignored her weaknesses.
yeah when team building you instantly have to exclude 5/7 of the roster
you have to worry about self damage and who triggers the blooms
shes great but not S+ tier
(also why is zhongli not beginner friendly?)
edit (I rewatched the zhongli part): Eakes saying zhongli isnt beginner friendly and citing him not being able to get stuff done in abyss as proof. But abyss isn't early/beginner game content
a beginner who has no game knowledge benefits so much from his shield and not having to learn to dodge and stuff
however as you learn these mechanics he becomes less valuable
(him getting zhongli on his f2p acc was not bad because zhongli isn't beginner friendly, it was bad because of the fact he's already learned dodging and he didn't need zhongli)
Yeah she isn't. Abyss usage Shows it clearly. Like how do you rate her above Neuvillette, when her whole team doesn't do as much dmg as him solo?
Nilou's biggest weakness is that she's damaging her own teammates. I would like to keep Nahida on the field proc'ing Yelan's burst, but if I do that, she will literally die from Nilou's super bloom.
@@xdragon2k her biggest weekness is she needs nahida without nahida she is nothing
Nilou's damage ceiling is so incredibly high. My C0R1 Nilou team does as much damage as C2 Raiden Hypercarry or National. That makes her one of the best despite having quite a few weaknesses. I manage to play her with 1k EM Barbara as solo healer but people with skill issue or no pc might not do it.
Wanderer was a game changer for me ,Exploring was never so much fun but now he is always in my exploring team and somehow I managed to get C6 Faruzan and C1 wanderer and he is very fun to use .
I you have trouble dodging you can run wanderer freeze teams (wanderer faruzan layla/diona yelan/xingxui)
wanderer can also use dehya as teammate(wanderer Faruzan bennet dehya) enabling pryo res
The audacity to put my man Lyney in A tier as opposed to S tier
His teams are very f2p friendly- you get a free Xiangling and a Bennett if you played that one event. Not to mention any anemo flex, dendro/geo sheilder, c4 yanfei, thoma if you NA all work with him.
His damage output is incredible and all his talents are useful. I would argue his dmg ceiling can rival Hu Tao with proper investment.
To be fair, he can be vaguely restricing. But I'm a Lyney lover, so I have to come and defend him at all costs. Anyways, love your content man, you're always so consistently entertaining and informative
Aa a former Lyney main, The damage is really good but his gameplay is really boring
@@Fortnitesigmamale2 Perhaps you weren't playing him properly
It's definitely unfair to "take your bias" out of Miko's placement then dunk on Klee because "she feels bad." She has risen in popularity a lot thanks to Furina and has very synergetic teams with her, and her previous teams are nowhere near bad, although there is an argument that there are better use for her teammates. Still, your bias is heavily showing with Klee's placement, and I feel like you haven't done enough research to justify her placement.
Zhongli is absolutely game changing! Even for beginners, he carried me through my start. Late game is where I had to build my supports
Raiden's only real weakness is that unlike Fischl/Kuki she does literally nothing vs Abyss Shields since her skill requires damage to be dealt to activate. Only flaw in her whole kit (well and not being usable with Beidou).
Raiden still has electro NA with burst
I dont really get the beidou one
There's literally a ton of better character for that spot which benifit the team better
Once I got Kuki I never used raiden again because there is no point in using her if you have Kuki
@k4mkz3x raiden can be used on more than just hyperbloom tho, you should never pull raiden just for hyperbloom
@@bigdumpy7790exactly
The disrespect on the hydro dragon, he's overtuned and too broken but should not be higher on the S+ tier?
he should've had his own tier
it's his tier list, not yours. you can't do anything for it
As a f2p with raiden being my first 5 star character (other than qiqi) def makes me a little biased but she changed my account forever. I seem to end up using her in almost all my teams, but after getting a few more characters like alhaitham and yelan, she doesn’t seem as impressive or useful. She’s still amazing and probably my favorite, but it’s not hard to see she’s really not broken
Only 1 thing i would change, raiden is not s+ tier anymore. At c0 her hypercarry and national teams deal less dmg than an alhaitham or nevillette team. That’s why i personally use her with full EM in hyperbloom, she has some value there but not enough to put in S+.
thank you
idk why nobody talks about the fact her best comp didn't change when dendro came out
new dps have been getting better and better while shes stayed the same since her release
which isnt bad but its not good enough for her to be in S+ tier
Still the best battery tho
That's because you're overfocusing on damage numbers tho, of course she's not gonna do as much damage as those because she also has big support capabilities. She's still S+ because her damage is very competitive despite not being the best, WHILE also giving a shit ton of energy to the team and buffing their bursts.
Oh, and there's also the comfy factor of having super armor, which again, none of those you mentioned have.
Oh, AND she is one of the 2 best hyperbloom triggers in the game (uncontested best if the healer slot is covered) and a off field electro applier which is a completely different role/character altogether.
Damn, I came to explain why she's on par with Neuvillette and Alhaitham but she's definitely better as an overall character lol
she is a dps, sub dps, energy buffer,hyperbloom support and a character with high ceiling for investment, ofcourse she is S+
Youre only focusing on her damage. You can worry less on ER with other team and focus more on other substats. Her kit makes your team burst more and rotate fast. Team overall damage is what im saying.
Zhongli is an absolute game changer. I would have never made it through Inazuma or Sumeru without him
thats a skill issue, zhongli is B tier in meta.
@@blastzd The meta is worthless this is not a PVP. Even in the Spiral Abyss he helps survive and even becomes a healer at C6. I don’t mean to be rude, but B tier for Zhongli is absolutely delusional lol
@@blastzd Plus he makes it so people forget how to dodge, that’s an absolute game changer
@@theonambrosewhat is game changing about not dealing enough damage in abyss
@@theonambrose every player plays this game for a different fuckin reason, we love meta, so gtfo, hes B tier in meta tho and its true.
you got a sub, the way you explained everysingle thing + highlight the strong points.
French girl here, just a message to say that you are my favourite content creator on Genshin
I just looove your energy, the way you tallk, the way you are explaining things
As a new genshin player, your videos are just pure goooold
I know I sound like a random fangirl or something, but just, I see so much potential in you, I hope you willl get a lot of subs cause you deserve
I was using Eula since her release until first sumeru patch. She's great tbh, but Idk if I should say this as her downside or not but when using her ulti and stacking autos, her enemies were long dead before her shard exploded lol. I really love her design so much. I'm glad I pulled her❤
+ she is kinda hot lmao. And very fun to play because I like her animations
It's strange how some of your main points about Lyney are that he's hard to master and has strict team building requirements, yet Klee is sitting 2 tiers below him, who similarly is hard to master but is a lot more flexible. The damage gap also isn't very big when considering Klee's an AoE character and Lyney's AoE isn't that comparable, especially when Klee teams can fit in Kazuha easier according to your own restrictions of Lyney needing a shielder.
He's tier list is very inconsistent. Klee is way better than many people think. But he wasn't just being unfair to her, he was also unfair to Lyney. The fact that he has ganyu and tignari above Lyney even though they are both charged bow users prone to interruption and Lyney does more damage than both of them when you look at the stats under their talent levels shows a lot of bias. So it's not only Klee he was being unfair to.
I am a recent Genshin Impact player with 315 hours under my belt. I managed to gather up 32 characters so far but I have very few S+ and S 5* characters as per your list: Keqing, Furina and Venti. Being a 65 year-old player with fairly stiff fingers, I cannot use my computer keyboard. I use my "magical" Elite Series 2 controller instead. I wrote "magical" because I have logged in thousands of hours on that thing and have yet to experience any stick drift - I love that thing. That's fantastic but I find doing elemental combos difficult because I find taking my finger off the left stick to reach the d-pad awkward. That was until yesterday when it finally dawned on me that I should use the back paddles configured for d-pad input. Now, I can switch characters quickly.
PS. Enjoyed the Persona 5 Royal touch in your background music.
awesome tier list , I think Furina position in the tier list might change pretty soon because of future characters , she also enable to any character to use marechaussee hunter set, her off field hydro application and damage. yes we need a healer she comes with pretty good healer "Charlette" I know she is not great but future character going to synergize with her really well (at least i hope), but at this stage yes she feels lot restrictive but man the damage bonus is broken . again super in-depth tier list I hope you reach 1M sub this year .
I’ve always loved and used healers so Furina has been perfect for me. But I wonder how is a character that literally brings a bunch of forgotten characters and teams to life again to the point of not feeling like you “lost” a 50/50 when getting a Tighnari, Jean or even Qiqi not the very definition of “game changing”. Hoyo really did an amazing job with Furina
- I feel like there's definitely some bias going on with nilou. Yes, she is good, but in very particular situations and she is LIMITED ONLY to bloom. If that was the criteria, Childe should also be in S as his one meta team is internat. In addition, Childe's team can clear ANY content, unlike Nilou. In addition, I noticed that nilou without some 5 star supports such as nahida or koko or baizhu feels very meh/average.
- Secondly, I'd move raiden down a tier. At c0, there's no outstanding meta teams she rly shines in.
- I feel like furina isn't quite kaz/nahida tier. I've been told that Furina needs a teamwide healer like Jean or Baizhu to be "amazing". A team without a good teamwide healer with Furina feels average.
- Lastly, Ganyu fell off pretty hard. There's no way she's Alhaitham, hutao, etc level.
ngl dehya being that low is kind of rough. i thought she's gonna be like a c tier character or b tier character after all the new characters. where she can become a good option like hyperbloom neuvilette and a somewhat decent option on Lyney. and furina kind of buffed her a bit.
also felt like klee and diluc shouldn't be in the same tier as Aloy and Dehya.
and i think Baizhu, Zhongli and Kokomi should be on the same tier, where they are pretty much comfort units.
also even if ayato is a jack of all trades master of none. he honestly feels better than cyno and the anemo dpses.
Honestly, dehya is my best burgeon trigger
@@davefontanilla3703 she's probably the best on field burgeon trigger(Though that could also go to Klee) in the game since she makes use baizhu and nahida and now furina. but as an off fielder, no... she may not need ER, but her app just feels so slow that i started to get bored with how slow it can be at times and if those cores are close together and if they explode at once then they become wasted and also large mobs and shields. like if i wanna build a off field trigger i'd rather use Thoma/Bennett+Kazuha with Ayato/Kokomi as the onfielder. but if it's Neuvi and dehya this where her slow app works but as a pure burgeon team i'm not really a huge fan of it. i do like instructor dehya as a 4th slot in hyperbloom teams since nahida applies so much dendro that you'll cause alot of burning and enable neuvi to forward vape his damage.
this is my first video ive seen of yours and omg im so happy you're a kokomo fan I LOVE HER anndd yoimiya. those are my two favorite characters of all time istg
Klee is not D you're tripping, absolutely crazy list 😭. Yeah I'm a huge klee fan so I'm a little bias but she's definitely not one of the worst units in the game let's not kid around
people underrate so much baizhu, and i hear nobody talking about how much he boosts dendro elemental reaction damage with his passive
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Seeing Keqing get the respect she deserves and going in S tier was such a joy. I might be biased because I got her in my first 10 pull and was a main for her for a long time, stopped using her when I pulled Ayaka but I still love using Keqing, just where I'm at in the game (going through inazuma) and when I farm in monastadt for exp books and such electro just feels bad. But she just has such a fun play style and looks so adorable lmao ❤ great video! Stopped playing genshin for a while but Wana get back into it so watching videos on it again and your videos are always such a joy to watch :) keep up the great work man, can tell you put a lot of effort into them and get as much joy into making them as we do watching them
I enjoyed this tier list, as usual mostly based takes. I do feel like you are over compensating with the characters you love but don’t feel are that great. I think Yoimiya and Hu Tao are not as far apart as the tier list makes them seem and Dehya is not as bad either. But yeah pretty minor shifts upward basically. The only other thing I’d change is prob Furina higher, at least in front of Raiden, probably even ahead of Yelan. The things Hoyo were able to stuff into this one character is just mind blowing. Marechausse Hunter is the new VV and Furina is the Kazuha of that set hehe. Neuvillette is straight up power creep, but I guess he is Archon level now so I think it’s justified.
Just something to add as a Wanderer main (also no, I did not skip through this just to watch his part)
Yes, when you dash it can take away from his DPS but his later passive can counteract this, giving him a chance to instead keep those points while also doing dmg as he shoots 4 anemo arrows at enemies, which is actually very helpful :)
I always abuse that passive🤣
Idc what anyone says..keqing is still the best dps for me..just easily clear abyss using her with aggravate team
I really respect that open disclaimer at the start.
I've been touting to any newcomer to simply play what they enjoy, and (sadly) a lot of people treat their tier lists as some "be all end all" rather than just someone elses takes/viewpoints on where they see the characters.
Much respect. +sub
Neuvillette is by far the most broken character in game . He's very powerful ❤
Kokomi, Zhongli and Neuvilette have to be S+. Kokomi is literally called “The Walking Statue of the Seven”. She is incredibly versatile, has impressive hydro application, healing uptime is almost 100% and she possesses amazing healer-DPS dynamic in her kit. Meanwhile, Zhongli’s QOL shield changes the gameplays a lot, allowing you to be set free from dodging/hitboxing.
As for the Hydro Dragon.. he is frickin’ broken. he is self-sustainable, has insane AOE, and DMG multipliers.
videos like these make me realise i reaaally got lucky because my first limited 5* was nahida and then i wished for nilou with like 2 ten pulls left (both had banners in 3.6) and got her as well TT literally carried me through the game ever since
Hey can you share your experiences with nilou? I have well build Nahida and I can't decide which character should I pull on. I want Nahida but I don't have any good healer... I'll pull either alhaitham or nilou for basically abyss. Do you have any opinions about this? Which one will be better with Nahida?
@randomrandom2917 nilou is incredible even with a bad build!! id really recommend her but since it's between alhaitham and nilou... hyperbloom is just That Reaction that allows more team comps and is probably easier to pull off in abyss. I was thinking of pulling for him someday too. nahida is more or less a must with both of them so it's a shame we can't have two nahidas in the abyss ahah
@randomrandom2917 also for a healer I have kokomi but for nilou teams you can use Barbara and for alhaitham I guess kuki shinobu would work!!
@@dora.sunset thank you! Also what server do you play on may I ask
baizhu is without doubt the most underrated character in the game. I've seen a lot of people asking if he is good with furina, i would almost say he is a must pull for furina. they synergize so well its insane. easy fanfare stacks, so many team options. plus i love him and his fun. but he is not a shielder. think of his shield like xingqiu rainswords.
idk I got both him and furina, and I rarely use them together
healer Bennett maxes out fanfair stacks without much struggle and now he is just a i-dont-have-nahida cope option for me in hb
I agree he is underrated but definitely not a must pull for Furina. Only on Keqing/Alhaitham/Cyno+Furina quickbloom teams he is needed because Yaoyao needs on field time but that’s about it, he is still extremely good but not a must for Furina. Especially because these units have other teams without Furina. Definitely S tier tho
Furina doesn't need baizhu 😂 she's a universal support. he's more close to a must pull for cyno
What’s great about Baizhu is that he can take Nahida’s spot so you can use her on the other side and have more damage dealing characters in Baizhu’s team without worrying about healer.
My c3 Furina and Jean: Nah.
I love Mona for exploration. Her water run glides so smoothly across Teyvat. It’s not the same using other characters lol
Idk what weapon you’re “supposed” to have on Nahida, but I have Sac Frags so multiple waves of enemies don’t worry me too much because her skill usually resets. I love her so much 🥰
ayakas dash is the same thing as monas uhh
also nahidas skill is like a 6 second cooldown. sac frags is nessacary unless its like 1 mitachurl for 1st wave, which isnt really a thing
@@beidoubagelok
I appreciate you giving explanations for your choice and suggestions for sets.
Wriothesely is really good with Furina, having constant passive hydro splashing on enemies while you freeze lock them is super overpowered. Switch to healing mode for Wriothesely's *E* ability for tons of dmg.
I've been waiting for this video for so long and it came out at the perfect time too
got zhongli as my first 5* character and boy i can tell you that I NEVER suffered any difficulties in the overworld (which is 99%) aspect of the game.
he is a game changing in a sense that you would not even worry about understanding some mechanic of the game since you can just forced through by using him.
This would only be true if there weren't other characters who can do what he does. If you already have a solid 4 star shielder like Layla, then he no longer can be considered a game changer, rather just a slightly more reliable shield.
As a player who has only been playing for about a month with very limited character options, my entire account is based around Tighnari.. Stringless causing as much spread Dmg as possible clears most of the content I’ve encountered so far
Not to mention, his passive means that if enemies (or food sources) are near each other, he often gets two with one charged shot.
I'm glad that I've got nahida on both accounts on her 1st rerun. ❤
Also got kazuha on both accounts with c1 on my main account. Both nahida and kazuha are indeed crack and are the best in the game.
Yelan was my first limited 5 star I have had her since patch 4.0 and it’s currently 4.7 still haven’t regretted it
Its insane to me how much genshin has changed since release, pyro used to be THE element you want but now hydro has completely eclipsed it in therms of good characters
I mean pyro was still used with hydro back in the days. nothings changed except the fact that there are no good pyro supports apart from bennett
It's because we only keep getting pyro 5* as dps and they are also limited to being single target dps eg. Hu tao yoimiya Lyney all great dps but single target.
its gonna change when we get to natlan
Pyro started strong then there was Xinyan, Thoma, Dehya. Thoma could have been better if his burst was put on skill
You should try Burgeon Klee (1000+ ele mastery). I think it's - by far - her current strongest form. Don't get me wrong, she's still Klee - her animations are atrocious and clunky as all hell, but you'd be absolutely floored by her damage numbers.
Klee can do tons of damage while providing tons of energy in mono pyro teams
Yeah. She can compete with Lyney in this team. Especially Lyney with an shield. Without shkled he is usually stronger but also harder to play
Which is a good trade off. More power for more risky gameplay. Similar to Yoimiya vs. Hu Tao.
@@joe_simon not really, lyney doesn’t get anything specific from a shield and because of how many more charge attacks he can do with the interruption resistance he will do more damage, but it’s not shields specifically, Dehya also works really well
@@Nine_Guinea_Pigs The main issue with a shield/Dehya is that Lyney loses either Xianglings damage and Support (C6, C1) or Kazuhas buffing/Grouping if you play a shield/Dehya. And you don't play Lyney without Bennett. Keep in mind that Xiangling does around 25%-30% of the teams damage and i hope i don't have to explain why Kazuha is important.
This is why shielded Lyney isn't used at all in Speedruns because with a shield his performance isn't really bettter than Klee (with Cons this can change. At high cons the lost damage of Xiangling isn't that big of an issue anymore).
That's my point. Lyney only really outshines Klee in Mono Pyro if used with the best Mono Pyro core. But this comes at a cost of being much harder to play. Which is a good trade off.
Klee is much less punishing without a shield and can play the best Mono Pyro team. Lyney is overall stronger than Klee in this team but only with the same team. And if you can play him that way he will perform better. But if you cannot play him that way and you have to add defensive utility Klee gets up to his powerlevel. Which is good balance gamdesing wise.
@@joe_simon yes for speed runs but most bosses now attack too fast and too much for him and he has incredibly low def and hp so he gets oneshot by practically everything
@@joe_simon most realistic teams have a shielder but it also just depends on the abyss
why is noone talking abt kokomi. she never left my team. i got solely dependent on her because of hee constant heals + the fact that her burst heals everyone (even in coop!) off field
literally never saw the need for a shield and ive to admit that it made my gameplay stagnant because of my dependency on her 😭😭🙏 shes a goddess!
Zhongli truly a game changer for me, he was of so much help and i think he will still be in Natlan
I’m so happy you said that you can 36* the abyss with anyone because all the other content creators say you HAVE to have Raiden and Kazuha to even breath in this game… it’s a bit annoying as someone who’s learning the game
I so agreed with the 4* tier but there's something really off about this one ngl 😅
Ganyu is my main since her first banner and even now she's one of my best build units.^^
You put Ayaka behind CocoGoat and outdated venti? I don't even know who you are anymore! lmao
in content where venti works, there is quite literally no character that matches him. He's the single best swirl damage dealer and he's supposed to be used in content with groups of mods so that swirl can function. Not to mention when he works he does absolutely insane amounts of elemental application due to those swirls + an infusion that lets him apply whatever element at really fast rates + shredding every element he's swirling. He enables Ayaka and Cocogoats best teams against large groups still. He hasn't really fallen off in the content he's made for and can still drag in just about every group of enemies that aren't Elite.
Bro, you are, hands down, the best Tier-Lister I've seen so far for Genshin.
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Thank you! I Appreciate all the hard work you put into your videos!
I was saddened to see Koko drop and Raiden go up. Raiden is fine, but I don't see what's changed in the past 8 months to warrant the boost up to top tier, while Koko being a healer should have actually been the one getting a big boost due to Fontaine mechanics. But to each their own! 😅
NEUVILLET NOT BEING GAME CHANGER AND THEN SAYING NILOU IS A GAME CHANGER 💀💀💀💀
As someone who has built Neuvillette, I almost always bring Childe with him.
1) Hydro resonance
2) Childe talent
The harbinger boy doesn't even come out. He is just...there.
hell naw
@@burritocheese681bro i bring yelan just for the resonance💀 and just like u she's just...there
If that’s the case I suggest using Nobless on Childe for a simple burst buff
I pulled venti before I took a break from the game 😂 I hit a plateau around ar 28. I’m at 33 right now and looking to get my characters lvl50+
I see you forgot to put Dehya in S+ tier. Ill let it slide this time since you're pretty accurate most the time. Also i would put Kokomi beside Zhongli because any of them or both of them open up so many more doors to your account than Venti or Alhaitham do.
oof the yoimiya placement hurts ngl 😩 & i’d prob move venti next to ganyu but other than that i’d agree with the list !!! 💕🤍 great video eakes !!!
yoimiya definitely needs to be higher she is so much to fun play with and with zhongli shield she is like machine gun
It is about options, if there are better characters than her , she will be ranked below in list
You don't need support when your dps can solo everything 🙃 yes I'm talking about nuvi and if that's not game changing then i don't know what is
in my opinion you shouldnt always pull for anyone you want, i believe that you should pull for 1-2 that you really like and then pull for other characters that enables them very well, for example if you really like hu tao, you might want to pull for a yelan or zhongli, that way playing your favorite character will feel even better
honestly i would only pull for who i like if i have these 7.
Xingqiu
Bennett
Fischl
Sucrose
Xiangling
Kuki
Thoma
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I feel like you could pull for anyone you want just cause we have broken 4* like Bennet and Xinqiu to make any character good. Nahida is maybe the closest one to “must pull” imo
I've found Mona is so absurdly helpful, damage boost, running over water, her bursts has a large AOE and if she's built with emblem you can clear enemy groups with her and Bennett with ease
(I also just really like her and I am salty she's so low)
If we are going by the game changing definition, I don't see how Furina isn't at the top of the list.
Id say the only way Nuevilette could fall off is if future abysses are less forgiving towards hydro characters as a whole and since a team for nuevilette is really wierd to make, basically needing kazuha and furina, it could lead to some flexibility issues as stated. We will see tho
Neuvillette was literally the one who allowed me to clear abyss 36 stars for the first time
Ganyu should be in bruh tier and nowhere near Tartaglia and Alhaitham. Same with Miko, Venti, Zhongli, Tighnari and Ketchup should all be in BRUH tier, C0 Raidedn should be is BRRRRRRRUH tier after realizing Kuki is better for the job. Raiden in S+ tier is the best joke of 2023
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Your Yelan rant made me regret bitterly (again) that she stubbornly refused all my invitations. Sometimes being free to play truly sucks.