My money is on Liam Lawson but I do think he’s a bit big for his britches and may need to be taken down a peg. No doubt that Max can take care of that.
Too young & inexperienced for RB. I'd rather Liam stayed with Visa RB for at least a full season & RB throw Valtteri a 1 year lifeline(barring any contractual issues). Valtteri is a proven quantity & good backup for Max.
did someone really think that Colapinto was going to drive alongside Verstappen? ... I am from Argentina, and doesn't matter how much you would like to have a driver in F1, putting him there, even if he, let's say drove incredibly and did not crash, would had been very stupid from RedBull decision makers. After developing their own drivers,,, just basing a decision on a few races from a driver from another team? without having insider stats and metrics from him... for me that was always a smoke ball...I would love to for them to choose Yuki... and then having Yuki declining and going to Aston Martin with Honda... I would love that for Yuki
I could never understand why people were talking that up. Given all the people in the Red Bull driver pool there was no way they were putting him straight in the top team without at least a warmup in a VCARB. People being absolutely ridiculous with the Colapinto hype based on what? One or two races? Even Max spent some time in the junior team before being promoted. People pushing that he was going straight into RBR were the same people insisting Max was Mercedes-bound next season. Nonsense based on nonsense.
Yuki to AM is unlikely, unless Stroll leaves. AM's M.O. seems to be having one world champion and one other driver. They wanted another champion when Seb left. So when Alonso leaves they'll look to replace him with another WC. Having Yuki and Stroll isn't a great combination for a team having plans of fighting for championships. So unless Stroll leaves, it's unlikely.
I really like franco just for the fact that hes never appeared to have gotten high on his horse from all the hype around him. I hope he has a bright future in the sport.
I had the same horror of Max i saw him as a beast and an assassin, dangerous to everyone, a killer on the loose. It ate me up worrying about who he was going to nail. But now have seen his light! And also the honesty of the guy, the lack of artifice, the solid emotional landscape of Max as a fammily man. His total dedication and his vast awsreness and skill in his F1 Opus.
I agree with Helmut that Tsunoda lacked consistency, but him beating his ever changing teammates consistently and still be ignored it got eat it on him. Though I think Hülkenberg could be a good teammate for Verstappen.
They also have a great relationship too, plus I think Yuki knows what it's like to be a team leader and also the learner at the same time. He has constantly been surrounded by experience be it Gasly, De Vries or even Daniel. Also the man has crazy good speed too, which Liam doesn't. Yuki IMO can hold himself to Max better than Checo, Albon or Pierre did but isn't fast enough to pose a threat
Yuki is a Honda driver, If Honda didn't do the leave stay leave stay attitude and RB had no choice coughing up money to build there own PU. Yuki would be in a RB seat already.
If Red Bull is going to promote from within, I'd suggest Yuki to RB with Hadjar to RBVisa with Liam. If Yuki can't hack, then Liam up, Yuki down. If Liam can't hack, Liam down, Hadjar up.
Cam, just ‘food for thought’ here…What If! What if, with the exodus of all these senior personnel and technical knowledge leaving the FIA, could this be the beginning of F1 itself gathering all these people to start up its own regulatory body?!?! Hmmmm 🤔
Think Yukis unhinged outbursts on team radio and dive bombing Ricardo can not be ignored. It's easy to say Red Bull should have him ...but if you owned red bull would you have him as the second driver? I wouldn't.
Yuki, you forgot the #1 thing Sergio has. $25,000,000. I am surprised and disappointed he hasn’t been able to fund his move via Japanese companies. Ahem, I mean sponsorship he can bring.
Yuki is too much of a hothead. They need someone like Bottas. "You can get some wins but you cant fight Max". Lawson, Colapinto want to be WC. Max will never step aside for someone else. Colapinto, big talk.. but ehat has he done so far but crash? Liam Lawson has bass in his voice, confidence? Mkay... I dont think Max cares. These youngs are all talk, but proved nothing yet. Max has a trackrecord of trashing his teammates. If they want to end their carreer early they should try to join RB with talk like like they are ready to take on Max. They are not ready... When Max is 80 and is sitting in such a scooter for elderly people he will still beat them at the home...
Missing piece here in yuki discussion is at the core of Red Bull MO. You need results, but equally (perhaps slightly more) important is marketing piece. Yuki has made MASSIVE PR capability advancements over past couple years but when Honda left he lost a major thing that would up his PR value for the RB org. Therefore not his time, however unfair RB go toward people who can race and dazzle on camera vs just pure racing results. I see yuki shifting with Honda winds in next couple years (ie Aston)
RB went for Max, he's the definition of a pure racer. He's gotten better at press over the years but he's not shy about hating all of it and staying out of the limelight. They have there #1, makes sense to get a good #2 driver that will bring eyes with them.
2024 has been nothing short of an afternoon soap opera. I give you a lot of credit for not throwing in the towel…even my guy even got fed up (right or wrong). I honestly believe that these cars are pure garbage. No one can drive them well. They are too finicky from track to track. Im sure many will disagree with me - some may agree. Watching the races from the 80-05 reminds me of what I loved about F1. This year was a new low for me I hate to say. I have so much on my mind but I won’t bore people. Red Bull is not likely to put a F2 driver in immediately…although I like Hadjars driving. Yuki or Lawson deserve a shot to me but I can’t read Red Bull tea leaves.
I am a Lawson Fan and I want to see Yuki have a go in the Red Bull. But then I think it will be great until it suddenly doesn't and he puts it in the wall or loses it on the radio.
@ Exactly. Give him a 1+1 and he will be loyal. In the meantime it gives you two years to find out if your in house talents will be ripe for the future seat
Unless Bottas forgot how, Driving that Sauber may have done something to atrophy his brain. The next thing you know he might be sporting a mullet or making some sort of Asinine Calendars. 😎
Come on. Colapinto isn't finished. He knew he'd get a nice couple of races. He knew he'd get lesser results eventually. He'll come back to F1, just no room for him next year. Got a great idea. 2025 Leclerc and Hamilton got grrr and Ferrari fumbles. Then Ferrari finally grasp what they need and in 2026 they bring Verstappen + Colapinto. With extra Coca Cola sponsorship. And nice waves on the Ferrari.
It doesn’t matter who Red bull brings to replace Checo, it can’t get worse than it already has. Get Yuki & promote Hadjar. Lawson & Hadjar compete with each other as both rookies. Red bull are not giving Yuki seat because Honda is going to Aston Martin. Feel sorry for the chap
I find it completely consistent that Yuki is held to a standard of "continuity" in his performance. After all, Cheko has been "consistently" disappointing and underwhelming in his performance. Sad day when consistency trumps quality.
Let Liam and Yuki stay another year (or 2) at Racing Bulls and get Kevin Magnussen next to Max. Kevin is fast & feisty and would certainly, when asked, play the team game, if that would mean podiums and strongs races, at the front of the field. And, he would come without any hefty charges to pay to another team. Let's go KayMag!
If you gonna compare the opponents of Max to"firebreathing dragons" might I suggest the following. Hamilton: Balerion, Leclerc: Smaug, Alonso: Toothless, Norris: Spyro (And Max is Obviously Alduin)
I wouldn't label Norris as someone gifted with racecraft. Giving him ignoring the double-yellow in Qatar, but also the ignoring of the aborted start... I think Norris should have his license revoked until he shows he understands the safety rules. Now, as for Hamilton of course Max would not want someone besides him who drives as dirty as Lewis? Want someone from UK21 right behind all the time? It's not what Hamilton managed to gather together with a rocketship Mercedes. It's the danger to Max' car. Max wants a pleasant team. He doesn't want Lewis. Or anything other from Mercedes.
How can Yuki not drum up millions from the Japanese market it’s a whole continent behind him if he gets in a RedBull and starts winning the money will come definitely
You have to blip the throttle when passing through a double yellow, it clearly shows the digital yellow and an actual yellow flag through the main straight. 10 sec was harsh but a penalty was called for especially with Lando pointing out Lewis’ pit lane infraction that got him a a cheeky penalty. Say what you want but rules is rules as you all cheer when Max gets penalized.
Yuki Tsunoda deserves the place a lot more then Liam Lawson. Liam will be crash happy and we don't need that as a partner to Max. Also Yuki out performs Liam by a lot.
Lawson is a flash in the pan. He really has dropped off last few races, it seems he cannot deal with the rigours of F1 racing week in week out as Yuki has beaten him well enough. Lawson is not marketable, does not represent a big market and presents like a real dickhead in the media. Yuki deserves the drive hands down. Still surprised they did not make a play for Sainz.
I have a point.... Should Toto ever get his hands on Max's signature, George is back in a Williams! Somebody please tell George cause he is murdering his own career at the moment.
I'm for Max having NO teammate - if they just give him a car - any decent car - he can win both ... alone - just like 2023...NONE of the names mentioned have any chance of instant successs - The RB21 will be WAYYY over what they deserve - no Carlos Slim money no Mexican fan club - what's the point ? Let Max ride solo put all your chips on him .
Absolutely take your point about the Lewis Hamilton hyper-fandom and its departure from all reality, surely the "Maxiphosi" is at least its equal. I long for reasonable open minded discussion on F1 with people who can be objective. Disagreement in that context doesn't mean you're positively or negatively biassed for or against any particular driver. Your discussions with Peter Windsor are a model of how 2 people can disagree on a particular issue, respectfully. Sadly it ain't gonna happen any more due to the nature of SM.
If FIA insist going down the road with the penalties, F1 will become boring like a football game decided by penalties. Drivers will be tempted to set up they rivals to do something wrong and get penalized. Races and championships will be decided by penalties. Penalizing Lando in Qatar ruined the whole race for example.
The thing is Cam, us LH fans have realised that although Max is not an endearing character he is a very good driver. However, the team he drives for is rotten to the core. They are corrupt and iniquitous and always have been. I have realised it is Red Bull as a team that I despise and not Max (so much)
All the media hype about Franco was just smoke and mirrors and it's good he is going to be allowed to rise on merit, not annointed. Rookies always crash. He is getting started. He is not done! All will be revealed and I predict it will be good for Franco and F1
This is why I've been saying that F1 is an amazing spectacle, but a bush league sport. It is poorly run, and the reason for that lands squarely on MBS's desk. Can you imagine Adam Silver or Roger Goodell trying to pull this crap? NO ... because they understand that the management of their sport needs to be fair, consistent, and disciplined, and that needs to happen in the background .... not the foreground. F1 will never be taken seriously as a global sport until they clean house in the leadership of the sport.
So these guys find it easier to drive these ground effect F1 cars than they do F2 cars, so surely that applies to and needs to be taken into account when you go googoo over Max Verstappen’s so called ground breaking drives. I also find it strange that you get extremely forensic about Norris and the mini DRS and even finding it neccessary to do more digging or is it that research, but you dismissed the magic valve and the Asymmetric breaking advantage that made the RBR perform as if it were on rails. Cameron, stop with this Verstappen fanboy fakery. Who are you doing this to please?
Lando has been F1 for 6 years it was 6 years before Verstappen got his name on an F1 championship driving a car that was way better than anything Norris had. Arguably Verstappen would not have been the youngest winner of a WDC had the man you are now eviserating not been actively involved in taking the 2021 WDC away from the rightful winner .
Who could have guessed Sula-mayhem would turn the FIA into a middle-eastern dictatorship? I'm shocked 😲
Instituting diarrhea law, no less?
And here we have the normative casual racism.
The FIA is going the route of the FIFA. Corruption rules!
My money is on Liam Lawson but I do think he’s a bit big for his britches and may need to be taken down a peg. No doubt that Max can take care of that.
I agree, Lawson has turned out to be a bit of a dickhead tbh...
Sounds legit.
Too young & inexperienced for RB. I'd rather Liam stayed with Visa RB for at least a full season & RB throw Valtteri a 1 year lifeline(barring any contractual issues). Valtteri is a proven quantity & good backup for Max.
I have to say it again. Love listening your monologue. Just love the way you talk and your calmness. Great! I agree with almost everything you say.
did someone really think that Colapinto was going to drive alongside Verstappen? ... I am from Argentina, and doesn't matter how much you would like to have a driver in F1, putting him there, even if he, let's say drove incredibly and did not crash, would had been very stupid from RedBull decision makers. After developing their own drivers,,, just basing a decision on a few races from a driver from another team? without having insider stats and metrics from him... for me that was always a smoke ball...I would love to for them to choose Yuki... and then having Yuki declining and going to Aston Martin with Honda... I would love that for Yuki
prob they were aiming for carlos but the money didnt match up
I could never understand why people were talking that up. Given all the people in the Red Bull driver pool there was no way they were putting him straight in the top team without at least a warmup in a VCARB. People being absolutely ridiculous with the Colapinto hype based on what? One or two races? Even Max spent some time in the junior team before being promoted.
People pushing that he was going straight into RBR were the same people insisting Max was Mercedes-bound next season. Nonsense based on nonsense.
Yuki to AM is unlikely, unless Stroll leaves. AM's M.O. seems to be having one world champion and one other driver. They wanted another champion when Seb left. So when Alonso leaves they'll look to replace him with another WC. Having Yuki and Stroll isn't a great combination for a team having plans of fighting for championships. So unless Stroll leaves, it's unlikely.
Compliments Cameron, perfectly cut hair and beard!
You have a great barber
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Whoever gets the seat alongside Max must be fully prepared to get what he wished for.
I really like franco just for the fact that hes never appeared to have gotten high on his horse from all the hype around him. I hope he has a bright future in the sport.
Uh oh, Cameron has the fresh fade, he means business.
I had the same horror of Max i saw him as a beast and an assassin, dangerous to everyone, a killer on the loose. It ate me up worrying about who he was going to nail. But now have seen his light! And also the honesty of the guy, the lack of artifice, the solid emotional landscape of Max as a fammily man. His total dedication and his vast awsreness and skill in his F1 Opus.
I agree with Helmut that Tsunoda lacked consistency, but him beating his ever changing teammates consistently and still be ignored it got eat it on him. Though I think Hülkenberg could be a good teammate for Verstappen.
Hulkie even speaks Dutch
You!, Sir Cameron, you are the Max Verstappen of the F1 podcoast society. 👊🏻
Yuki and Max would be the perfect combination. Yuki wants to learn from Max just as he did with Pierre
They also have a great relationship too, plus I think Yuki knows what it's like to be a team leader and also the learner at the same time. He has constantly been surrounded by experience be it Gasly, De Vries or even Daniel. Also the man has crazy good speed too, which Liam doesn't. Yuki IMO can hold himself to Max better than Checo, Albon or Pierre did but isn't fast enough to pose a threat
Yuki is a Honda driver, If Honda didn't do the leave stay leave stay attitude and RB had no choice coughing up money to build there own PU. Yuki would be in a RB seat already.
Hi Cameron, I'm afraid you're wrong, I'm on team LH44 and I fully respect Max.👊🏿💪🏿🇯🇲
Let's go Everton.
The fanbase is not a monolith. I'm aware, since like you, I am testament to it! 🍺
I'm team Stroll
But most are still with "2021 living rent free in their heads".
@@Joe._Biden 😂
Awesome…you are a real one. Me too just the other way, nothing but respect for the 44
Liam L has the right attitude, got the racing focus, grit & balls.
Yuki too passive
I don't think you go too hard on MBS. He needs to go, F1 needs him to go!
Red Bull made a mistake by letting Carlos Sainz Jr. go to Williams.
If Red Bull is going to promote from within, I'd suggest Yuki to RB with Hadjar to RBVisa with Liam. If Yuki can't hack, then Liam up, Yuki down. If Liam can't hack, Liam down, Hadjar up.
Cam dont change !!
Cam, just ‘food for thought’ here…What If! What if, with the exodus of all these senior personnel and technical knowledge leaving the FIA, could this be the beginning of F1 itself gathering all these people to start up its own regulatory body?!?! Hmmmm 🤔
I like Lawson, but I don’t think him and Max are gonna get on well especially if they tell him he needs to be a number two driver
Lawson won't be fast enough to challenge Max. Automatic number 2 driver.
Think Yukis unhinged outbursts on team radio and dive bombing Ricardo can not be ignored. It's easy to say Red Bull should have him ...but if you owned red bull would you have him as the second driver? I wouldn't.
Yuki, you forgot the #1 thing Sergio has. $25,000,000. I am surprised and disappointed he hasn’t been able to fund his move via Japanese companies. Ahem, I mean sponsorship he can bring.
its not about the money. It never was..
Yuki is too much of a hothead. They need someone like Bottas. "You can get some wins but you cant fight Max". Lawson, Colapinto want to be WC. Max will never step aside for someone else. Colapinto, big talk.. but ehat has he done so far but crash? Liam Lawson has bass in his voice, confidence? Mkay... I dont think Max cares. These youngs are all talk, but proved nothing yet. Max has a trackrecord of trashing his teammates. If they want to end their carreer early they should try to join RB with talk like like they are ready to take on Max. They are not ready... When Max is 80 and is sitting in such a scooter for elderly people he will still beat them at the home...
I go for Liam before the impodiumable Hulk.
Missing piece here in yuki discussion is at the core of Red Bull MO. You need results, but equally (perhaps slightly more) important is marketing piece. Yuki has made MASSIVE PR capability advancements over past couple years but when Honda left he lost a major thing that would up his PR value for the RB org. Therefore not his time, however unfair RB go toward people who can race and dazzle on camera vs just pure racing results. I see yuki shifting with Honda winds in next couple years (ie Aston)
RB went for Max, he's the definition of a pure racer. He's gotten better at press over the years but he's not shy about hating all of it and staying out of the limelight. They have there #1, makes sense to get a good #2 driver that will bring eyes with them.
I think a bottas/perez type will be best just a bit better at racing lol
2024 has been nothing short of an afternoon soap opera. I give you a lot of credit for not throwing in the towel…even my guy even got fed up (right or wrong). I honestly believe that these cars are pure garbage. No one can drive them well. They are too finicky from track to track. Im sure many will disagree with me - some may agree. Watching the races from the 80-05 reminds me of what I loved about F1. This year was a new low for me I hate to say. I have so much on my mind but I won’t bore people. Red Bull is not likely to put a F2 driver in immediately…although I like Hadjars driving. Yuki or Lawson deserve a shot to me but I can’t read Red Bull tea leaves.
I am a Lawson Fan and I want to see Yuki have a go in the Red Bull. But then I think it will be great until it suddenly doesn't and he puts it in the wall or loses it on the radio.
How can the FIA regulatory body not be regulated itself? I actually think in Switzerland this might be illegal if challenged in court.
My money is on bottas. He is aged. Has a steady head, and is a perfect reargunner and has the speed to win races when max can’t
Bottas is perfect for the seat.
@ Exactly. Give him a 1+1 and he will be loyal. In the meantime it gives you two years to find out if your in house talents will be ripe for the future seat
Unless Bottas forgot how, Driving that Sauber may have done something to atrophy his brain. The next thing you know he might be sporting a mullet or making some sort of Asinine Calendars. 😎
@ lol yes as long as he crashes once py atl to the opponent to his teammate, like he did in Hungary 21
Serious question, which spray paint do you use for your hairline? Asking for a follicularly challenged friend.
Come on. Colapinto isn't finished. He knew he'd get a nice couple of races. He knew he'd get lesser results eventually. He'll come back to F1, just no room for him next year. Got a great idea. 2025 Leclerc and Hamilton got grrr and Ferrari fumbles. Then Ferrari finally grasp what they need and in 2026 they bring Verstappen + Colapinto. With extra Coca Cola sponsorship. And nice waves on the Ferrari.
Yuki! Yuki! 0:54
Truth is light ❤
It doesn’t matter who Red bull brings to replace Checo, it can’t get worse than it already has. Get Yuki & promote Hadjar. Lawson & Hadjar compete with each other as both rookies. Red bull are not giving Yuki seat because Honda is going to Aston Martin. Feel sorry for the chap
I find it completely consistent that Yuki is held to a standard of "continuity" in his performance. After all, Cheko has been "consistently" disappointing and underwhelming in his performance. Sad day when consistency trumps quality.
Thank you!
Let Liam and Yuki stay another year (or 2) at Racing Bulls and get Kevin Magnussen next to Max. Kevin is fast & feisty and would certainly, when asked, play the team game, if that would mean podiums and strongs races, at the front of the field. And, he would come without any hefty charges to pay to another team. Let's go KayMag!
If you gonna compare the opponents of Max to"firebreathing dragons" might I suggest the following.
Hamilton: Balerion, Leclerc: Smaug, Alonso: Toothless, Norris: Spyro (And Max is Obviously Alduin)
I wouldn't label Norris as someone gifted with racecraft. Giving him ignoring the double-yellow in Qatar, but also the ignoring of the aborted start... I think Norris should have his license revoked until he shows he understands the safety rules. Now, as for Hamilton of course Max would not want someone besides him who drives as dirty as Lewis? Want someone from UK21 right behind all the time? It's not what Hamilton managed to gather together with a rocketship Mercedes. It's the danger to Max' car. Max wants a pleasant team. He doesn't want Lewis. Or anything other from Mercedes.
No external auditor or financer will accept self-stamped homework, it's like a red flag for a bull. They'll shred MBS...
How can Yuki not drum up millions from the Japanese market it’s a whole continent behind him if he gets in a RedBull and starts winning the money will come definitely
You have to blip the throttle when passing through a double yellow, it clearly shows the digital yellow and an actual yellow flag through the main straight. 10 sec was harsh but a penalty was called for especially with Lando pointing out Lewis’ pit lane infraction that got him a a cheeky penalty.
Say what you want but rules is rules as you all cheer when Max gets penalized.
Yuki Tsunoda deserves the place a lot more then Liam Lawson. Liam will be crash happy and we don't need that as a partner to Max. Also Yuki out performs Liam by a lot.
Yuki please Red Bull!!!
Lawson is a flash in the pan. He really has dropped off last few races, it seems he cannot deal with the rigours of F1 racing week in week out as Yuki has beaten him well enough. Lawson is not marketable, does not represent a big market and presents like a real dickhead in the media. Yuki deserves the drive hands down. Still surprised they did not make a play for Sainz.
yuki doesnt bring enough $$$ and carlos prob asking for too much
Hajar will go to the junior team.
I just saw Danny Ric is maybe going to Cadillac in 2026. Anyone have that in their bingo cards?
I have a point.... Should Toto ever get his hands on Max's signature, George is back in a Williams! Somebody please tell George cause he is murdering his own career at the moment.
I'm for Max having NO teammate - if they just give him a car - any decent car - he can win both ... alone - just like 2023...NONE of the names mentioned have any chance of instant successs - The RB21 will be WAYYY over what they deserve - no Carlos Slim money no Mexican fan club - what's the point ? Let Max ride solo put all your chips on him .
Absolutely take your point about the Lewis Hamilton hyper-fandom and its departure from all reality, surely the "Maxiphosi" is at least its equal.
I long for reasonable open minded discussion on F1 with people who can be objective. Disagreement in that context doesn't mean you're positively or negatively biassed for or against any particular driver.
Your discussions with Peter Windsor are a model of how 2 people can disagree on a particular issue, respectfully.
Sadly it ain't gonna happen any more due to the nature of SM.
If FIA insist going down the road with the penalties, F1 will become boring like a football game decided by penalties. Drivers will be tempted to set up they rivals to do something wrong and get penalized. Races and championships will be decided by penalties.
Penalizing Lando in Qatar ruined the whole race for example.
The thing is Cam, us LH fans have realised that although Max is not an endearing character he is a very good driver. However, the team he drives for is rotten to the core. They are corrupt and iniquitous and always have been. I have realised it is Red Bull as a team that I despise and not Max (so much)
All the media hype about Franco was just smoke and mirrors and it's good he is going to be allowed to rise on merit, not annointed. Rookies always crash. He is getting started. He is not done! All will be revealed and I predict it will be good for Franco and F1
This is why I've been saying that F1 is an amazing spectacle, but a bush league sport. It is poorly run, and the reason for that lands squarely on MBS's desk. Can you imagine Adam Silver or Roger Goodell trying to pull this crap? NO ... because they understand that the management of their sport needs to be fair, consistent, and disciplined, and that needs to happen in the background .... not the foreground. F1 will never be taken seriously as a global sport until they clean house in the leadership of the sport.
Weird
Hadjar is a giant crybaby.
So these guys find it easier to drive these ground effect F1 cars than they do F2 cars, so surely that applies to and needs to be taken into account when you go googoo over Max Verstappen’s so called ground breaking drives. I also find it strange that you get extremely forensic about Norris and the mini DRS and even finding it neccessary to do more digging or is it that research, but you dismissed the magic valve and the Asymmetric breaking advantage that made the RBR perform as if it were on rails. Cameron, stop with this Verstappen fanboy fakery. Who are you doing this to please?
Lando has been F1 for 6 years it was 6 years before Verstappen got his name on an F1 championship driving a car that was way better than anything Norris had. Arguably Verstappen would not have been the youngest winner of a WDC had the man you are now eviserating not been actively involved in taking the 2021 WDC away from the rightful winner .
it's gotta be Hulkenberg, he and Max are good friends, Hulk's mum is Dutch... just saying...