L would never kill Lind L Tailor. on national television, or try to kill the FBI. This would automatically make L untrackable. The only to track him would be if L would make clear that he has acess to the Japanese Police informations.
@@pedroba76 yeah, a personality difference. Whereas Light's goal in the original is to try and kill L, L's goal here would not really be to challenge Light or kill him at all. In that respect, L would lose since he never gets to kill Light.
@@Zero-ef4sc if we keep Lights original goal yeah. But i don't think L would care at all about this "loss" as his goal would shift to whatever he'd want to do with the death note
@@diemight7591 yeah, it's not really a fair comparison then, since L's only victory against Light would be by default since L never gets caught. Although, this is a younger, less experienced with crime L if we're putting him in Light's situation, so he might be a little hot-headed and try to battle Light, but who knows.
I disagree Light might be willing to be more ruthless if he truely believes he is right and found Kira. Unlike L who had pride that required proof Light might think all that matters is winning. Although he did have some pride too. More than Near and Mello
I love what you're articulating about L's eq. A lot of people confuse this with L knowing light is kira, but its really that Light fits the mold of the kind of person Kira is, which is why he presses him so hard. You really understand the series
@@badassproductions4734 i think you misunderstood my statement: i was wondering if people seriously believed that L knew that Light was Kira, even before they met
@@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 yea, any debate about light vs L i got into the person supporting L always states L always knew light was Kira but had no evidence. 🫠 which is a contradiction in itself.
@@badassproductions4734 i think that they mean *solid* evidence, the kind you can take yo court and actually use to convict someone. not thay I'm saying they're right (although he really should have...), but that statement isn't actually contradictory
"Narrowed down the search from 7 billion suspects" Damn, gotta hand it to L, he even suspects children who were born 2 seconds ago and disabled grandmas. No exceptions.
He's just autistic enough to do just that (source: I'm autistic and can confirm this man is on some real autism shit /pos). He'd love that shit. He'd even hide shit from himself and leave himself hints and riddles just to mess with his amnesiac self. He'd gaslight gatekeep girlboss himself so hard and I feel like it would only end in a stalemate with himself. Like imagine he keeps giving up and getting back the death note just to play 5D chess with himself. Ofc he'd let Light assist him in trying to find himself! Lmao The question is, would he succeed with Light's help at finding himself, or would he beat himself and Light as Kira?
Personally, I think Light as a detective would never be able to catch L-kira for a simple reason: Light specifically chose heart attacks to put attention on the fact that somebody is punishing criminals. L would never do that, because he doesn't need to be recognized as the god of a new world like Light does. Therefore, even if L actually decided to start to punish criminals, he would probably do so in a way that nobody could suspect that somebody is behind these deaths - some would die from heart attacks, some from aneurysms, some from car accidents, some weird epidemic in the prisons... it would be impossible to try to tie these diverse occurrences to human will, especially if cleverly spreaded in a long period of time. It would suit L's personality, to be completely hidden and yet work behind the scenes. Detective Light wouldn't even understand that there is a mass murder going on.
I think it's wrong to assume that L wouldn't reveal his existence to the world just because he has a different personality. The reason why Light chose to make the killings obvious wasn't just his need for recognition, he also did it with a very specific effect in mind: He wanted to deter people from committing crimes in the first place. In the show, crime rates drop to an all-time low after Kira appears. If L were Kira, that wouldn't change.
Light would never catch L. In terms of deductive ability I'd say Light and L are about equal but their dispositions are so contrary that I don't think Light would ever be able to corner him the way Light was. I think L would actually taunt Light more than Light taunted L, in fact. He'd leave clues and see how far Light could go
This is wrong. The reason L lost in the first place is his morality and goals were holding him back. Despite how confident L was in Light being Kira, he still held off final judgement in favor of wanting definitive proof. Light wouldn't have done that. In the same situation Light would probably just have L killed in some form or fashion and win significantly earlier on.
@@wizardsmix7961 the whole point of the arc where Light gives up his memories is to show that Light, without the temptation of the Death Note, is just as if not more moral than L. I could see Light being pushed to kill L himself if their roles were swapped but it wouldn't be a victory for him. If that happened I guarantee you it would end with L laughing as he bled out about how Light lost their battle of wits and Light would be completely destroyed by what he had done.
@@UniGya The death note triggers Light's god complex and ego to surface because of the power it grants him. If Light had the power of near infinite money and were the sole detective in charge then that granted power would trigger his god complex and ego to surface as well. The lost memory scenario is incomparable. Your guarantee is silly. Light's victory condition would be to eliminate Kira. He would see killing Kira as a fulfillment of his god complex as he'd see himself as the savior of the world.
@@wizardsmix7961 Oh no, there is absolutely no way that any amount of money could trigger Light's god complex anywhere near as hard as the Death Note and saying otherwise is just plain idiotic. The Death Note made him go crazy because it's literally godly power, he had power no other human being had and that reinforced the idea that he was above everyone else. L is rich, sure, but even he isn't the richest person on the planet. Plus, if that kind of thing were able to trigger his God complex he wouldn't even be a detective, he would be using his money to do what all rich people do to change the world: politics.
@@UniGya You think having 70 BILLION DOLLARS wouldn't enable someone's god complex enough to commit murder? I'm sorry, but that's just you being out of touch with reality. He would be a detective due to how the experience allows him to flex his intelligence and prove he is smarter than everyone else by becoming the best detective, furthering his god complex. Light had the death note and could've easily used it to make sweeping political moves with it. Instead he spends the vast majority of the time competing against L because he craves the intellectual competition due to it curing his boredom. There's no reason to believe he would use the money to seek out politics and it makes infinitely more sense that he would use the money to enable his ability to compete intellectually as a detective.
I think L would strategically use the Death Note to kill far fewer people and enact far bigger changes. Like, he’d kill an evil dictator’s brother in a way that makes it look like assassination, putting the dictator on edge and causing him to make some kind of mistake L would predict, that leads to the dictator creating a situation that leads to US intervention ultimately causing an entire oppressed people to become less oppressed. Or something like that. Then Light would just be in college or whatever.
Death Note casually being a 17-year-old anime that is still receiving psychoanalyses as little as a month ago is insane. A damn good anime if I do say so myself (I just finished watching it on Sunday).
@@DieEineMieze I already spoiled everything for myself, and I just started watching Death Note. It's still good, regardless. Nothing was ruined for me.
The lind L tailor incident was only a catalyst in terms of how long it took to profile kira's location. L wouldve found light regardless of it because he finds out that kira has access to police info which was completely unrelated to the Lind L tailor incident.
Not really, even excliding Anybody ho has no acess to police info he has no idea which country he is from, keep in mind in the og series he knew his country and region from lind L taylor Altought if light does get fbi after him and acts dumb just like in the og Maybe you are right
Light is more emotional and willing to take on more risk. L is colder and more methodical. With that said, I don't think L's sense of justice would be enough for him to use the Death Note as Light did. He would perhaps test it out on a death row inmate, but then take a different approach. This is because L is not narcissistic like Light is, and does not have a God complex. He would likely still believe in the due process and justice system.
I think a lot has to be said for the experience gap too. L has been solving cases worldwide, always things the police could not solve, since a young age. That will have tempered his emotional side, led to ways of thinking that aren't easy. If Light swapped lives with L, he'd potentially have gotten all that experience while L (now a top level student in Japan) would not have had, at most helping just a tad in a few of his father's cases. It's easy to understand why. If Light had decent experience of how police operate, or had escaped capture three or four times by that point, it's unlikely he would have fallen into the Lind L Taylor trap. A true swap would leave us with a version of Light experienced in catching criminals, and an L with little to no experience evading capture.
The thing is, L was already brilliant from the get-go. L didn't need all that experience to be great, he was already at max level when ge was starting his first case. It's like going into a level 1 boss battle having already maxed out stats in everything. So while I do agree with your proposition, it'll be irrelevant. Light is intelligent but he's not L level. L managed to narrow down the search from the entire world to only a specific area in Japan. And L's kira would be different from light's. Meaning L wouldn't take the same baits that light did. L would have noticed in advance the traps being set for him and would have entirely avoided it. (i.e., he wouldn't fall for the Lind L. Taylor trap) Light might try everything he can to provoke L and make him give something away but L would never fall for any of it. At best, L would deliberately leave clues for light.
Thank you, finally, I feel like Light with the experience swap is being downplayed way too hard in how he'd differently master the art of catching criminals.
@@ShootingStarFromDeepSpace The L bias is insanely strong with this argument, but I think I will copy and paste @Jerry8208's comment since it tears apart a lot of the holes in what you're proposing; " A younger and inexperienced L would be more careless and have worse eq/deductive skills. Also if he went to a normal school rather than be surrounded by geniuses growing up his ego and sense of superiority would also be more inflated. Similarly Light growing up among geniuses wouldn't allow his ego to blow up the way it did and the extra years investigating cases all around the world would help him mature in many ways as well as hone his reasoning skills. Perhaps another reason L deciphered Kira so skillfully was because he saw a dark side of himself that he managed to grow out of/suppress. One last thing that was imprinted on Light from his background was the childish idea that "breaking the law (or more accurately being arrested for allegedly breaking the law) equals bad person and that punishment equals justice" due to his father being in the force. "
L cannot get caught, he can just become a detective simply and kill or detain everyone with the death note. Which tbh wouldn't be surprising if L can make more money off it, and solve more cases.
Not a Kira fanboy but you're comparing a fully grown/experienced L (6y older than Light with 3.5k cases solved) to a highschool student Light without trading those backgrounds. A younger and inexperienced L would be more careless and have worse eq/deductive skills. Also if he went to a normal school rather than be surrounded by geniuses growing up his ego and sense of superiority would also be more inflated. Similarly Light growing up among geniuses wouldn't allow his ego to blow up the way it did and the extra years investigating cases all around the world would help him mature in many ways as well as hone his reasoning skills. Perhaps another reason L deciphered Kira so skillfully was because he saw a dark side of himself that he managed to grow out of/suppress. One last thing that was imprinted on Light from his background was the childish idea that "breaking the law (or more accurately being arrested for allegedly breaking the law) equals bad person and that punishment equals justice" due to his father being in the force.
L solved one of the worlds hardest cases at 13 years old using public information because he was bored ☠️ Then he beat the best 2 detectives and took their identities when he was still younger than Light... Age really isn't an effective target against L, he was a freakily gifted kid
I don't dispute he was a prodigy and then some but do you think he didn't gain anything or improve noticeably all those years? And even if the answer is yes, that still leaves the question, would Light also not gain anything?
@@Jerry8208 I'm sure he would have, but I mean it's just not the same level. Light is a national prodigy, L is an international prodigy. Oh also, L didn't grow up around gifted people, the facility became a gifted school after L left, because they wanted to find his successor.
When you think that way, then the only difference there would be is they look different. L would become Light with his personality, and Light would become L with his personality. It would just be Death Note except they look different.
L is dirty, less social, always eating and overall a crazy guy who sits weird, throws himself in the washing machine while Light is this perfect boi. I don't think anyone will think L is the killer, he is just not someone others can suspect
I disagree. Weird mannerisms while speaking with high intelligence describes some of the most prolific criminals in a nutshell. Maybe L wouldn't cause the police to suspect him directly like Light did. But if they somehow still got onto his vicinity, then the way he acts would set him apart and draw immediate attention to him. Especially without his respect and wealth to shield him, he would just be an outcast.
If you had no idea between about death note and a friend showed you some pictures and scenes about both, Most would surely think L is weird and the Killer. Not light that is very sociable and has starts with a good and normal life.
@@DieEineMiezeNot really since L is more honest than Light 100%. The whole "weird person is the serial killer" thing died a while ago. There's many characters like Adachi, Yoshikage Kira, Ayanokoji Kiyotaka, etc, and less stereotypical serial killers
The character study is amazingly complex and tthought-out. It's interesting to listen and provides a great understanding. I applaud. However, I disagree with your conclusion. I would actually like to see Light figure out Ryuzaki-Kira's identity in a different, more fitting to their personalities way. With such high stats that got him to be the number one student in the original story, I wouldn't say he's that much inferior to L. In fact, I believe some of his flaws can also be his advantages. As was said, Light is extremely egocentric and can't stand loosing, so he'd stop at nothing and there's no chance he'd drop the Kira's case until he'd convicted them. Imagine that: the greatest detective of all time was outplayed by someone! That'll be such a blow to his reputation, he can't allow it! So Light would definitely go the insane distance to catch Kira. Which makes me wonder, how differently his methods would be, based on his cunning nature, acting skills, his social skills or his relentlessnes and much more defined lack of care for other people, intertwined with his yearn for justification. At same time, there's Ryuzaki, of whom it was stated that he's curious and using death note out of boredom and doesn't have the need to be considered a god... But then why would he spend his days just laying low, devotedly writing down the names like it's some kind of life purpose? He'd get bored pretty qquickl without stimuli, that Light can provide. So he'd be eager to give light clues as well, to keep the game going. Though, perhaps for a more social reason than Light did. Ryuzaki was pretty lonely, afterall. (Though there's also a theory that Light wasn't acting impulsively just because of his ego, but due to unmet social needs as well. Like, winning was a lesser priority and motivation compared to seeing people's reaction to him revealing his identity and seeking some sort of twisted validation for it. Maybe he just felt pressured from having to be such a role model all the time and it was a for m of rebellion and a search for freedom...?) Anyway. Light and Ryuzaki are covered, but they weren't the only ones who influenced the way the story unfolded. The second Kira, aka Misa Amane, (who's now should be on Ryuzaki's side, since he's Kira now, and Ryuzaki kinda liked her, so it would be plenty different. And Ryuzaki is not as good-looking or rich or charming as Light in this, so I wonder if that plays a role or not... He's somewhat nicer though.), she revealed a lot about supernatural side of the killings. She also often acted unpredictable, impulsive and is probably easy to lead on, so that would might help the investigation as well. Thank you for reading through this long post, if you did. As I said, the analysis was delectable, so it would be curious to see, how an application of said traits from both Light and Ryuzaki would make a story, had they switched places. Also, happy upcoming New Year. :)
It's fair to say L would want a challenge, but that just means L will take a different route to confronting detective Light in this scenario, but can he emotionally provoked by a Lind L Tailor stunt? would Light's own morals (as good Light) even have him sacrifice a criminal?
Actually it would be really funny if Light managed to figure things out about Kira because of Misa's actions (before she contacts L). She might not use her powers the same way though, and she might not be on L's side - L wouldn't necessarily kill criminals here, so she isn't guaranteed to follow him
@@woridey5bata571 Excellent point about Misa, after Lind L. Taylor she was Light's biggest weakness insofar as she revealed lots of information to L that Light would rather have kept a secret. Obviously afterwards she was a huge asset, but until he made contact with her she was a huge liability. Would L Kira be able to get to her as fast as Light did, given that he'd play it safer and stay further away from the task force? Could be a game changer if Light L catches Misa before L Kira gets to her, given his insane levels of charm with women specifically.
It was said L took cases only with 1 million currency or 10 victims . that's most likely because he was bored as this was his hobby. unless im forgetting supporting details this was what increasing diffculity when bored did to L. As you said he doesn't care to flaunt his title. We seen how light is impulsive with Lind L Tailor. So it would be L's intellect flaunting as the story above "7lyerD" made with the dictator was perfectly alligned vs light's desire flaunting his substantiated god complex has more impact without traceability. Even when L was lonely he lied to Light as its known he's lonely he used this to trick light in thinking he's desperate for friends. His loneliness didn't ever show as a supression to his goals ultimatum. I hope this was a grounded counterargument.
Godly video quality but I think it’s worth noting both these characters are built for the situations they were in, meaning that when you swap them they are both in a sub optimal situations for there abilities
The difference between them is that L doesn't get baited by anger that much. He'll lash out, but not nearly as much as Light did. If anything, I think that instead of the Lind L. sacrifice, Light as L would do a reverse of the "Gods of Death love apples" thing. He would release information that people don't understand and then monitor media and the internet to see if anyone does look into it. Then THAT would narrow down his search. Light is emotionally driven while L is far more curious.
I'm only 30 seconds in and that editing is already SO GOOD, what if videos are usually relatively low effort and kinda mostly never go anywhere, but the effort that went into this already sold me.
L is definitely smarter then light it’s largely the death note that carries him although light’s ego does hold him back but they are still relative enough to each other that for the most part they both can be genuine threats to each other.
I can imagine L could test death note on BB since he is 100% sure he is guilty, he caught him after all, and BB is probably is the smartest(=dangerous) criminal L ever dealt with, meaning he has a chance to escape if he wanted to
I love how you interprets both characters how they desired to develop in this swapped scenario alternative path that the characters take, W video as always 🐐.
I believe that Light might use the resources from L in a similar fashion as he did with the Death note. He wants to be noticed and become justice incarnate, while L would likely try to stop Light from abusing his power and authority. Basically, the only thing to change is Light now has money instead of a magical book, and L has a magical book and no money. I feel like everything else in the show/manga would occur in a similar fashion to this hypothetical scenario, and I would like to see something like this.
I love that L honestly crossed off the idea that any adult wouldn’t have a similar mindset and character flaws when I know many adults who have several if not all of them..
I agree with your overall reasoning I will point out however that while L-Light would have all the character flaws you pointed out of his non-Kira persona, there were times where he was shown to be capable of surpassing L's intellectual capability such as when during the Yotsuba Arc he was able to notice a correlation that not even L could, which the narrative portrayed as "godly" This to me means Light could possibly win against Ryuuzaki/Kira if in absence of the Death Note he managed to achieve his full intellectual potential, which could reach a superhuman-level(by Death Note's standard of superhuman) That however is still very unlikely as Light at the beggining of the series, which is the one being put in the role of L, would still be immature and not achieved his hypothetical peak alongside being plagued by the same character flaws already pointed out, while L would be L
Yeah just depends if Ryuzaki Kira is able to emotionally provoked the same way Light was since his emotional composure is different Light Yagami who had the classic bringing up for Narc traits (good Light even ponders on if he'd want criminals to die in Yotsuba arc)
I think L could be provoked, Light certainly knew how to piss him off like with the "shinigami likes apples" riddle It's just that he's much more difficult to set off and lose his composure than Light who went nuts over a random cop calling him evil It's pretty big maturity gap
I thought about that too, but that depends if L as Kira has any glaring characteristics and motives as a killer besides being bored in this scenario. Where Light as Kira can be psychoanalyzed and you can atleast see a immature sense of right and wrong. Tho canon Light as Kira can def provoke L as a detective, his dead ends and misdirections are super good. Situation based scenarios go differently compared to usual VS battles.
The shinigami likes apple riddle isn't even the best stomp of Light it's his memory swap plan which stomps L to realize he may never be able to catch Kira if Kira can swap bodies whenever to avoid capture. Making him severely unmotivated.
@@AventSir You're right, the memory swap thing did affect L terribly, I guess I didnt think of it because I was focused on anger to expose him rather than making him give up Also I guess motivation is the biggest issue when it comes to this scenario, I buy your idea that L definitely would test the Death Note but keeping using it for "God of the New World" sake is Light's thing, perhaps Ryuuzaki Kira would be pulling a BB in wanting to give L Light a case he cant solve for his own pride/entertainment? But for that he would have to know that L exists in the first place which Kira Light didnt
L would never get caught. For one, L is extremely anti-social, which means that he would never intentionally put himself in the spot light. And the only way to catch someone with a death note is for that to happen, for L to intentionally let Light catch on to him, never happening. Second, L is actually way smarter than Light, and that has everything to do with the fact that L has a more controlled ego, he would simply kill better and more efficiently. To the point that the the existence of a death note would never be on the table.
4:43 he only vents his anger in his room because thats where the cameras cant see him he just decided not to freak out while he was in front of the camera to avoid being caught
@@AventSir About what you said about Light having a facade, for a few minutes I pondered on it because it is shown multiple times Light is very self-controlled and even after he got the death note, no one managed to notice something was wrong with him. And in the 25th episode of the show, L asked "was there ever a point in your life when you have told the truth?" This made me realize that Light has done so well because he has put on this perfect son facade his entire life. He is so used to pretending to be this person that no one (except L and Rem) could see through it.
Reminder that L was only willing to get 100% proof to convict Light. If Light were evil he might not care and capture him. But even L didnt care about using Illegal means such as wire tapping as long as he got proof afterward. Even if you think Light wouldnt use evil means to catch Kira, he might still do what L did, or even do what Mello and Near did.
The editing here is top notch but this video feels like clickbait because it barely covers what the title says and is just more of a character study of L and Light. A real shame too because the idea of Light becoming L completely legit and L being Kira trying to evade Light is a very interesting thought.
If the two were to truly swap places... Well, keep in kind that L's background also includes analyzing and solving countless cases from a very young age; it's the biggest thing that allowed him to hone his logical side and temper his emotional one. Give that experience instead to Light and have the two completely trade roles, and honestly there's no reason to say the result would be all that different (if indeed at all). As a couple of points in the video showed, they're both products of their respective circumstances. Odds are a full-on swap of the two would have the same result as the original, just with Lawliet doing the dirty work. Although if you were to go the other route, keep their origins the same but have L be the one to discover the Death Note... And yeah, L would be smart enough to use it strategically and likely be a lot more subtle about it so as to not draw attention to himself. Really, there's a pretty realistic chance that the whole Kira phenomenon would never have taken off with L managing the page, in which case Light wouldn't even be a factor since it's heavily unlikely he'd ever find out. Now, let's say L made a tactical slip-up and did end up drawing Light's suspicions and kick-starting widespread investigations. Would he be able to solve the whole mess or get anywhere close to L? Possibly, but it would be a pretty big uphill battle. He has apparently assisted the police in solving cases in the past, but this would be well beyond the scope of anything he's likely to have covered before, and there's also the matter of his ego as well as being more hesitant to accept unconventional and/or supernatural concepts than L is (recall that in the actual material he initially thought the Death Note was some elaborate prank object and came very close to just abandoning it). And while Light's deductive skills are very impressive, he lacks the level of psychological understanding that L demonstrates. He could pull it off in theory, but he would need a lot of help and to find an actual avenue he could get to L through which would NOT be easy (in the series proper, L came to him; in this scenario he has little if any reason to do that. Granted, L can't be TOO passive if he's called upon by the police here since it would be too unusual for him to not show any interest or active efforts in the investigations and he would want to avoid stirring any real suspicions, but he is still WAY better-protected than Light is here). There's really only one person who can realistically give even a vague profile of what kind of person L is, and as far as I can tell it's unlikely she'd have have any reason to get involved since I think L would be smart enough to not give Pember the axe (outside of an extraordinarily unlucky circumstance). Basically, the odds work heavily against Light ever catching L, but on the flip-side of that it's unlikely he'd die either. (EDIT) Thinking about it more, I realized there's one other huge loose end in this scenario: Misa. In the series proper, her big reverence for Kira comes from the fact that Light killed the person responsible for her family's deaths... who would otherwise most likely have gotten away with his crime scot-free, and it's heavily unlikely L would have intervened in her case in any way, so it's pretty likely she would not hold Kira in as hugely positive a light. It's also unclear how she would use her knowledge of Shinigami and Death Notes without having her Kira obsession as a catalyst. If she did use it some way I think L would be likely to view her as a convenient scapegoat at best, or a detriment at worst (letting a rogue Death Note bearer run amok would present him with too many risks; he would want to eliminate that loose end ASAP, and finding her would be even less difficult of a task for L in this scenario since it's pretty likely he'd have knowledge of the Shinigami Eye deal at that point). She'd be pretty unlikely to turn to the police, too, so I don't think she'd offer Light any insights as to how the Death Note works were they to meet; at least not without some serious convincing. Misa's role in this seems like it would potentially be pretty short-lived; if L figured her out he could easily arrange an "accident" and remove her from the equation without drawing any serious attention to himself.
W video idea and quality. I will be trying to make a wattpad novel based on what if they switched places. But i dont think this will fit out since Light and L were built around in their own orginal situations.
Light not killing Lindt L. Taylor would not have changed a lot, as Misa Amane would still have revealed all the information L got from that broadcast, only just a bit later.
Correction at 4:42 Magical thinking is the believe that one can have a magical influence over events through unrelated actions, i.e. believing that if you arrange the books on your shelf a certain way (or fail to do so) that someone will die. It's actually often related to anxiety & OCD, as people with magical thinking fear that they will cause something bad to happen if they fail to take some action. It is not a god complex.
Honestly, I think that L would probably just have the death note as one extra tool up his sleeve. I doubt he'd even kill criminals with it, it'd be something he'd just pull out and be like "Oh yes, I suppose I do have a method of killing someone untraced" in some kind of dire situation.
Really good, well thought out video, you clearly have a deep and nuanced understanding of these characters. Another thing that I think would keep L from getting caught or at least make it even harder is his self awareness, which plays into his emotional intelligence like you mentioned. He says part of why he can understand how Kira thinks and acts is because he has the same hatred of losing, which he himself refers to as childish. He'd be more likely to recognize how his flaws might come back to bite him beforehand and then work to accommodate them from the beginning rather than making a huge mistake and pivoting to change his M.O. only after the damage has been done and he's royally screwed himself over. If Light were to try to pull a Lind L. Taylor on him, it wouldn't work because even if L did get riled up by being taunted like Light did he wouldn't let it cloud his judgment to anywhere near the same degree (but I also think it would be way, way harder to rile L up at all). Let's be real, Light had a MASSIVE advantage over L that even having an ungodly amount of money and resources wouldn't come close to replicating. I feel like if anything, to make it an actual contest L would have to purposefully handicap himself to 'even' the playing field.
Light Yagami also has a weakness of consistently believing his allies will be constantly acting as efficiently as him. He would have won against Near if he did not assume Mikami couldn’t be tricked by Near.
Light's last plan to beat Near was actually brilliant, I think it was way better than his plan to kill L which was flawed and extremely plot contrived IMO. The authors could have written Death Note a lot better in hindsight.
@@SuperBatSpider I mean that's unfair, Mikami did do a fairly reasonable thing in that circumstance, Light just has terrible emotional understanding and psychoanalysis and didn't really understand how Mikami would react, which conversely is L's best strength. I think Light could have used some extra manipulation (Lights best ability) on Mikami to get him to act a particular way.
Now i wonder what would happen if L as a detective got the Death Note and Light as a student was supposed to find and expose L. While I am not sure how to make that happen with L having a lot more to go with, it would be much more fun because we could have an underdog to root for. We'd even have a story of Light realizing his mistakes of his pride and changing to be better (assuming he doesn't have an incurable problem like sociopathy). *This* would be an interesting story of L representing Light's inner struggles of managing feeling better than everyone else.
Another element to consider is that Light created the Kira figure and killed most criminals with heart attacks so people knows that someone is murdering the criminals, that allowed L to know about Kira even if only as an urban legend. Assuming L is only interested in executing criminals without the need of becoming "a god of the new world", then he would cover his tracks by making it all look like accidents. Perhaps Light could still figure out that due to the exponentially increased mortality rate of broadcasted criminals that there's someone setting their deaths. It may take longer, specially if L doesn't take the Lind L Taylor bait. L may have different struggles unrelated to his ego......1- he would probably be unwilling to kill innocents even if it's necessary to keep his cover. 2-He probably won't make an alliance with Misa Misa, because unlike her, there are lines he won't cross and she probably won't fall in love with him. This could quickly turn into a 3 faction conflict. 3- L would probably be alone. Light as kira got his allies by manipulation and for their cult like following of kira and L as a detective got his team by his connections as a detective and wealth, which he wouldn't have as a highschool student.
It depends,if L went head on with light,light easily wins, considering that light was able to predict and deduce L plans,he will surely use the same methods,and since light has all the recourses of L,he has wami house training,gives him a boost in iq and intelligence,and knowledge,but if L actually doesnt take him head on or care abt him (which is the most logical thing that L would do),then L would win bc he would never get caught,since light would be pushing the investigation tok much and might slip up and L would catch him
When you realize Light and L are basically the difference between two similar crazy people but one of them chose to do hard drugs (the deathnote especially with Ryuk basically compares the power to a drug) in this case Light stayed clean and L did the Methnote book thus the difference between them is one is addicted to power the other only wants a challenge
Growing up in different circumstances and environments would change a person’s personality and their outlook in life. I can’t suspend my disbelief in canario where they remain the same character after swapping places.
A big thing that I noticed that you more or less proved yourself wrong here is the fact that as you stated "L took on the Kira case as a challenge of his intellect". The main point you made was the fact that L would never make the same mistake because his ego never got in the way, however this same ego that you brought up from L is the exact same reason that why Light even decided to further engage with L because Light also wanted a challenge, and this was after the Lind L Tailor murder because Light still could've just not done anything in regards to trying to find L's identity as this wouldn't have been enough to catch Light. Given this hypothetical assumes Light has all of L's resources and still has his personality nothing much would really change since L like Light also wanted a challenge, so L would've most likely wanted to challenge Light in some way. How L would've gone about this might way difference than how Light would but overall it'd go the same. While Light does slip up and have his moments there is a certain degree in which Light needed to do so because then he'd never get close to L something which Light stated many times over in the manga.
its a clever observation to see that L really had virtues while Light only had vices. As such L was free to iterate through - with problem-solving, while light was burdened with guilt and shame adding to his stress and problems in contrast
5:45 - 6:10 the death of Misora is another perfect example. Although stated to be intelligent and proven more so in Another Note, due to the death of her husband and therefore, stricken by grief, she behaved uncharacteristically foolish and gave her name to Light, which he abused. Light even double downed and disrespectfully asked if she'd still like to speak with his father. This was obviously a salty jab at her, because if not for Ryuk's laugh after she'd fooled him with a fake name, he would've still been tricked. And if her husband hadn't died, he wouldn't have learned her name without forceful measures or using the Shinigami Eyes (plausible since otherwise, they would've known the culprit was Light vs a list of like 6 people). He preyed upon her weaken state in every way. He's also very lucky it magically started snowing, otherwise there would've been a cop witness, veiled by an umbrella. Haha
I think people forget that Ryuk dropped his Death Note in the first place because he was bored of normal Shinigami work. So he let a mortal putz around with the Death Note for a while just to entertain himself. L is not someone who feeds into other people’s desires for entertainment or satisfaction. He wants to learn everything, solve mysteries and be a great detective (something he can still do if he had Light’s start instead of his normal one, Light grew up in a police detective’s family so of course L would do the same if L had the same start as Light). L would experiment with the Death Note, however, so maybe the first few deaths could be traceable, but the moment L finds the limits of the Death Note he would be done with it. L can probably see the danger of Ryuk getting bored and potentially offing L once Ryuk has had enough, so it’s possible the challenge of keeping Ryuk entertained would propel L to become Kira. But on the other side, let’s consider Light with L’s OG story start. Light may be just as intelligent as L, but he’s a narcissist and he thinks very highly of himself. Growing up in a household of geniuses like L did would constantly beat down that ego and force Light to either confront reality and give up, or to rise through sheer force of will and be the best genius out of everyone. So Light with L’s start would be ruthless, no nonsense and extremely efficient, his narcissism being fed by persevering and overcoming the geniuses around him. Arrogance backed by experience and honed by a crucible of constant reminders of his own inferiority relative to others in that house is an unbeatable arrogance. It’s one based on what Light proved he could do, and he would constantly challenge the other geniuses to test to see if he could beat them yet or not. In short, Light could be the catalyst to improve and refine the genius intellects that came from that house, and in turn even if he’s not as smart or as capable as those geniuses he would find ways to “defeat” them and establish himself as the best intellect of that house. Light’s ego wouldn’t have it any other way. In other words, Light would become a real menace if he had L’s start. I don’t think Light would turn to crime, but his sense of righteousness would propel him to act outside the law a time or two… possibly in a high-profile manner, the perpetrators of which wouldn’t be discovered, but for L in Light’s start… what perfect way to keep Ryuk entertained than to use the Death Note to lure out a killer masquerading as an international detective? Light honed through the crucible of geniuses, versus L with a drive to accomplish and learn everything from his “perfect” start… the stage would be set; let the battle begin!!!!!
I feel like some people are overestimating Light's intelligence. He's obviously really smart, especially when it comes to manipulation, but his opponent is a detective who has solved over 3500 cases in no more than 17 years as he didn't join Wammy House until he was 8, and while we don't know when he became a detective, we do know he died at 24 or 25. It could be even less than 17 years, but assuming he had 17 that is an average of 4 cases every week without breaks. L reasonably narrowed down his suspicion to just Light in almost no time, but the difficulty he ran into was being able to prove it when he was up against a hereunto unknown magical system that Light knew all the rules to. And despite that, he still had Light cornered to the point another Shinigami had to interfere and killed him to save Misa. L is a genius without equal and has the experience of working to solve over 3000 cases, so he'd have had more experience than anyone to figure out just what sorts of little details most often get someone caught. If they just swapped roles, Light would never be able to find him. However, from a meta perspective, if the story was written with L as Kira, he would be caught; the author said that he was the smartest person in the entire story "because the plot demanded it." If he wasn't the primary detective, the plot wouldn't need him to be the smartest character anymore, so he wouldn't have been written to be.
That would be true in a vacuum, but the thing is that L and Near both got an author, power boost at the beginning, and end of the story in order for the plot to function, because neither of them pull the hyper genius level super calculations (and physically impossible setups) necessary to beat Kira except when it’s thematically relevant and never before and after that point, they only make steady progress instead of leapfrogging to the end as the previous pace would imply otherwise possible. If they were switched around, then light, would get the power boost necessary in order to start the plot in the first place
You're going a level too low. This is given the information we have about the characters, not what we think the writers would have written if that makes sense.
@@Gandhi_Physique yes in the end, it all comes down to writers fiat, but that also includes keeping the story going, which is why when the antagonist should have the information they need to actually corner light and keep the plot moving they get it, and if the characters are inverse position, so it’s still happen because the narrative needs momentum which is really all I was trying to say .
L was a step ahead of Light the whole time, the only moment Light got ahead is when he pushed the unknown rule to their limit. but i think if L got in trouble like Light did, with his social skill, he wouldn't be able to get away with it, but he wouldn't put himself in such a situation in the first place
Light pushed unknown rule (and shinigami) to it's limits, yes. Then again, Misa is the only reason that Light go into that situation which required the plan. Light successfully turned his greatest weakness (Misa and Rem) to his greatest strength and defeated L quite easily. Then again L had no way to outplay that move.
I love these videos discussing death note Can you please make a cross over between usogui and death note You can for example write a senario where light is take over the usogui organization and thus he should play all the games while keeping with L and everyone else or may be you can write a senario about his ego where he doesn’t want to kill them easily but to humiliate them, and where L has to deal with kira, baku and everyone else with baku trying to win surpassing the leader, there is so much shit to tackle I can’t wait for such a senario from you, there are three ways this can go : 1. Usogui characters don’t know about death note or kira 2. They know about the death note but not kira 3. They know about both Yet there is L and the FBI, shongami, Misa to consider and how will baku act in such interesting case Please, I can’t wait for such a video
Interesting video but I think you misunderstood light's character. Alot of the traits you got were when he was evil by the notebook. Like he wouldn't control Misa when he lost his memory. Nice theory but it can't be right. Maybe once he lost the notebook it made him good but I'm not confident in that theory. Thanks for making the video it's fun to analyze stuff.
His “evil” aka just Narcissim stems from Light’s constant praise throughout his life, and the death note inflated predisposed characteristics. (Memory wiped Light contemplates about if all criminals should die, which he confirms he probably would agree with deep down) Jungians shadow, basically.
I mean he also had no reason to use misa when he gave up the death note, and the death note definitely didn’t make him evil, it just gave him a tool to act on it
If L would’ve went head on like Near instead of getting close regardless still being skeptical he would’ve been had light. Near didn’t question their thoughts not once like L it was she knew exactly nothing was gonna change their mind they knew the truth
I think the main argument against L which wasn’t really talked about was the power the death note possessed over its user. The death note, and its story, are derived from the same Greek myth the lord of the rings is based off of. Essentially the myth outlines that action without consequence will corrupt anyone, even if they are the best of the best. There is no more good or evil, it’s simply becomes “what do I want to do today?” If the same logic from the myth and the lord of the rings is to be applied, L would absolutely become corrupted by the death note, maybe making it a little easier for Light to catch him.
Here’s my thoughts before watching the video. L had a massive hunch about Light and how this power worked early on. L was playing a game he didn’t know the rules to and Light knew every rule and L was as close as he was. If L had the book, he’d no doubt probably never be caught.
Light would catch him far more quickly as L wouldn't be able to play it off, but he'd also likely go for the shinigami eyes deal more easily than Light and basically get an easy W that way.
Yes and no, light did start to use/test it cause he was bored, saw its potential, but decided to use it for himself (he contemplated with himself who was the most suitable user for it). He thought he was the best choice. He struggled a little to change but became what he was, his achievements/abilities having a profound impact. Perspective is key, u see, he was the best student in japan, was seemingly smarter than anyone in his environment, etc. Consequentially, these were the foundation of his thoughts. A valid proof that Light isn't in of itself narcissistic or evil was his behaviour after memory loss. I do not deny that he has a high ego at the beginning.
Okay, so I kind of stopped following when L suddenly had money. I like the idea better that he was an orphan, and I think it has more continuity with the story. He works extra hard to fit into society by getting good grades, or not. Survivalism plays a large part in how he uses the Death Note, because it has such an impact on people's life choices and philosophies. Having the Death Note could illuminate that.
L is an orphan who is found by Watari recognizing his special talents. in Canon BB murder case novel and the one shot, IN this scenario it was showing L's gathering of influence and all that, and giving to Light so in this scenario L doesnt have money.
L and light are almost equal in intelligence but their personality makes the biggest difference cause if light grew in the same way as L his personality might be different and if L grew like light it would also apply but with their same personality it wouldn’t be possible for light to catch L
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Light clearly demonstrates he’s smarter than L throughout the series.
Light clearly demonstrates he’s smarter than L throughout the series.
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L would never get caught. It's not a difference in intelligence, it's a difference in personality.
L would never kill Lind L Tailor. on national television, or try to kill the FBI. This would automatically make L untrackable.
The only to track him would be if L would make clear that he has acess to the Japanese Police informations.
@@pedroba76 yeah, a personality difference. Whereas Light's goal in the original is to try and kill L, L's goal here would not really be to challenge Light or kill him at all. In that respect, L would lose since he never gets to kill Light.
@@Zero-ef4sc if we keep Lights original goal yeah. But i don't think L would care at all about this "loss" as his goal would shift to whatever he'd want to do with the death note
@@diemight7591 yeah, it's not really a fair comparison then, since L's only victory against Light would be by default since L never gets caught. Although, this is a younger, less experienced with crime L if we're putting him in Light's situation, so he might be a little hot-headed and try to battle Light, but who knows.
I disagree Light might be willing to be more ruthless if he truely believes he is right and found Kira. Unlike L who had pride that required proof Light might think all that matters is winning. Although he did have some pride too. More than Near and Mello
I love what you're articulating about L's eq. A lot of people confuse this with L knowing light is kira, but its really that Light fits the mold of the kind of person Kira is, which is why he presses him so hard. You really understand the series
wait, seriously? even before he knew light even existed? how can anyone think that?
@@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 based off the actions taking by kira as well as Kira's mannerism
@@badassproductions4734 i think you misunderstood my statement: i was wondering if people seriously believed that L knew that Light was Kira, even before they met
@@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 yea, any debate about light vs L i got into the person supporting L always states L always knew light was Kira but had no evidence. 🫠 which is a contradiction in itself.
@@badassproductions4734 i think that they mean *solid* evidence, the kind you can take yo court and actually use to convict someone.
not thay I'm saying they're right (although he really should have...), but that statement isn't actually contradictory
"Narrowed down the search from 7 billion suspects"
Damn, gotta hand it to L, he even suspects children who were born 2 seconds ago and disabled grandmas. No exceptions.
Lololol
Hey, why not right? x'D After all, it's a supernatural power, so who's to say~?
@@rofinatheirin9929 Leave nothing to chance!
if a person can kill by supernatural power, he can be in the form of anyone
Yea actually, since the nature by which people die wasn't known at that point, anyone or anything could be causing it
Imagine L giving up ownership of the Death Note just to have his memory wiped so he could try and solve a Kira case 💀
This would be insane
Yeah imagine playing cat and mouse with yourself.
That actually sounds a lot like L since he loves burning calories with his brain
He's just autistic enough to do just that (source: I'm autistic and can confirm this man is on some real autism shit /pos). He'd love that shit. He'd even hide shit from himself and leave himself hints and riddles just to mess with his amnesiac self. He'd gaslight gatekeep girlboss himself so hard and I feel like it would only end in a stalemate with himself.
Like imagine he keeps giving up and getting back the death note just to play 5D chess with himself. Ofc he'd let Light assist him in trying to find himself! Lmao
The question is, would he succeed with Light's help at finding himself, or would he beat himself and Light as Kira?
after getting bored of it i can see him doing that XD
Personally, I think Light as a detective would never be able to catch L-kira for a simple reason: Light specifically chose heart attacks to put attention on the fact that somebody is punishing criminals. L would never do that, because he doesn't need to be recognized as the god of a new world like Light does. Therefore, even if L actually decided to start to punish criminals, he would probably do so in a way that nobody could suspect that somebody is behind these deaths - some would die from heart attacks, some from aneurysms, some from car accidents, some weird epidemic in the prisons... it would be impossible to try to tie these diverse occurrences to human will, especially if cleverly spreaded in a long period of time. It would suit L's personality, to be completely hidden and yet work behind the scenes. Detective Light wouldn't even understand that there is a mass murder going on.
exactly, same way as if light didnt want to be known he wouldnt never been get caught.
I.... Stole the words outta my mouth 😢
good effort i respect it but your still wrong
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I think it's wrong to assume that L wouldn't reveal his existence to the world just because he has a different personality. The reason why Light chose to make the killings obvious wasn't just his need for recognition, he also did it with a very specific effect in mind: He wanted to deter people from committing crimes in the first place. In the show, crime rates drop to an all-time low after Kira appears. If L were Kira, that wouldn't change.
Light would never catch L. In terms of deductive ability I'd say Light and L are about equal but their dispositions are so contrary that I don't think Light would ever be able to corner him the way Light was. I think L would actually taunt Light more than Light taunted L, in fact. He'd leave clues and see how far Light could go
This is wrong. The reason L lost in the first place is his morality and goals were holding him back. Despite how confident L was in Light being Kira, he still held off final judgement in favor of wanting definitive proof.
Light wouldn't have done that. In the same situation Light would probably just have L killed in some form or fashion and win significantly earlier on.
@@wizardsmix7961 the whole point of the arc where Light gives up his memories is to show that Light, without the temptation of the Death Note, is just as if not more moral than L. I could see Light being pushed to kill L himself if their roles were swapped but it wouldn't be a victory for him. If that happened I guarantee you it would end with L laughing as he bled out about how Light lost their battle of wits and Light would be completely destroyed by what he had done.
@@UniGya The death note triggers Light's god complex and ego to surface because of the power it grants him. If Light had the power of near infinite money and were the sole detective in charge then that granted power would trigger his god complex and ego to surface as well. The lost memory scenario is incomparable.
Your guarantee is silly. Light's victory condition would be to eliminate Kira. He would see killing Kira as a fulfillment of his god complex as he'd see himself as the savior of the world.
@@wizardsmix7961 Oh no, there is absolutely no way that any amount of money could trigger Light's god complex anywhere near as hard as the Death Note and saying otherwise is just plain idiotic. The Death Note made him go crazy because it's literally godly power, he had power no other human being had and that reinforced the idea that he was above everyone else. L is rich, sure, but even he isn't the richest person on the planet. Plus, if that kind of thing were able to trigger his God complex he wouldn't even be a detective, he would be using his money to do what all rich people do to change the world: politics.
@@UniGya You think having 70 BILLION DOLLARS wouldn't enable someone's god complex enough to commit murder? I'm sorry, but that's just you being out of touch with reality.
He would be a detective due to how the experience allows him to flex his intelligence and prove he is smarter than everyone else by becoming the best detective, furthering his god complex.
Light had the death note and could've easily used it to make sweeping political moves with it. Instead he spends the vast majority of the time competing against L because he craves the intellectual competition due to it curing his boredom.
There's no reason to believe he would use the money to seek out politics and it makes infinitely more sense that he would use the money to enable his ability to compete intellectually as a detective.
I think L would strategically use the Death Note to kill far fewer people and enact far bigger changes. Like, he’d kill an evil dictator’s brother in a way that makes it look like assassination, putting the dictator on edge and causing him to make some kind of mistake L would predict, that leads to the dictator creating a situation that leads to US intervention ultimately causing an entire oppressed people to become less oppressed. Or something like that. Then Light would just be in college or whatever.
This could actually be a great novel lmao
Man , you really though this through
One problem with that tho. The US never 'liberates'. They only colonize and plunder and make the people of the countries they invade miserable.
It would be a sort of game, this is true
@@username_kk2177true
Death Note casually being a 17-year-old anime that is still receiving psychoanalyses as little as a month ago is insane. A damn good anime if I do say so myself (I just finished watching it on Sunday).
I just started watching this myself, currently on episode 19
@@knuxuki1013 I have any and every intention of rewatching it after the My Hero Academia anime ends. Death Note is my all-time favorite anime
@@knuxuki1013Don't watch these videos before you finished death note. One spoiler and the story can be ruined.
@@DieEineMieze I already spoiled everything for myself, and I just started watching Death Note. It's still good, regardless. Nothing was ruined for me.
The lind L tailor incident was only a catalyst in terms of how long it took to profile kira's location. L wouldve found light regardless of it because he finds out that kira has access to police info which was completely unrelated to the Lind L tailor incident.
he managed to prove Kira's existence publicly and narrow it to a single country's region, so that accelerated things a lot.
Not really, even excliding Anybody ho has no acess to police info he has no idea which country he is from, keep in mind in the og series he knew his country and region from lind L taylor
Altought if light does get fbi after him and acts dumb just like in the og Maybe you are right
Light is more emotional and willing to take on more risk. L is colder and more methodical. With that said, I don't think L's sense of justice would be enough for him to use the Death Note as Light did. He would perhaps test it out on a death row inmate, but then take a different approach. This is because L is not narcissistic like Light is, and does not have a God complex. He would likely still believe in the due process and justice system.
Yeah he would probably only use it when the time calls for it besides
I think a lot has to be said for the experience gap too. L has been solving cases worldwide, always things the police could not solve, since a young age. That will have tempered his emotional side, led to ways of thinking that aren't easy.
If Light swapped lives with L, he'd potentially have gotten all that experience while L (now a top level student in Japan) would not have had, at most helping just a tad in a few of his father's cases.
It's easy to understand why. If Light had decent experience of how police operate, or had escaped capture three or four times by that point, it's unlikely he would have fallen into the Lind L Taylor trap.
A true swap would leave us with a version of Light experienced in catching criminals, and an L with little to no experience evading capture.
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So basically light changing lives with L
The thing is, L was already brilliant from the get-go. L didn't need all that experience to be great, he was already at max level when ge was starting his first case. It's like going into a level 1 boss battle having already maxed out stats in everything.
So while I do agree with your proposition, it'll be irrelevant.
Light is intelligent but he's not L level. L managed to narrow down the search from the entire world to only a specific area in Japan.
And L's kira would be different from light's. Meaning L wouldn't take the same baits that light did.
L would have noticed in advance the traps being set for him and would have entirely avoided it. (i.e., he wouldn't fall for the Lind L. Taylor trap)
Light might try everything he can to provoke L and make him give something away but L would never fall for any of it.
At best, L would deliberately leave clues for light.
Thank you, finally, I feel like Light with the experience swap is being downplayed way too hard in how he'd differently master the art of catching criminals.
@@ShootingStarFromDeepSpace The L bias is insanely strong with this argument, but I think I will copy and paste @Jerry8208's comment since it tears apart a lot of the holes in what you're proposing;
" A younger and inexperienced L would be more careless and have worse eq/deductive skills. Also if he went to a normal school rather than be surrounded by geniuses growing up his ego and sense of superiority would also be more inflated.
Similarly Light growing up among geniuses wouldn't allow his ego to blow up the way it did and the extra years investigating cases all around the world would help him mature in many ways as well as hone his reasoning skills.
Perhaps another reason L deciphered Kira so skillfully was because he saw a dark side of himself that he managed to grow out of/suppress.
One last thing that was imprinted on Light from his background was the childish idea that "breaking the law (or more accurately being arrested for allegedly breaking the law) equals bad person and that punishment equals justice" due to his father being in the force. "
L cannot get caught, he can just become a detective simply and kill or detain everyone with the death note. Which tbh wouldn't be surprising if L can make more money off it, and solve more cases.
Not a Kira fanboy but you're comparing a fully grown/experienced L (6y older than Light with 3.5k cases solved) to a highschool student Light without trading those backgrounds.
A younger and inexperienced L would be more careless and have worse eq/deductive skills. Also if he went to a normal school rather than be surrounded by geniuses growing up his ego and sense of superiority would also be more inflated.
Similarly Light growing up among geniuses wouldn't allow his ego to blow up the way it did and the extra years investigating cases all around the world would help him mature in many ways as well as hone his reasoning skills.
Perhaps another reason L deciphered Kira so skillfully was because he saw a dark side of himself that he managed to grow out of/suppress.
One last thing that was imprinted on Light from his background was the childish idea that "breaking the law (or more accurately being arrested for allegedly breaking the law) equals bad person and that punishment equals justice" due to his father being in the force.
L solved one of the worlds hardest cases at 13 years old using public information because he was bored ☠️ Then he beat the best 2 detectives and took their identities when he was still younger than Light... Age really isn't an effective target against L, he was a freakily gifted kid
I don't dispute he was a prodigy and then some but do you think he didn't gain anything or improve noticeably all those years?
And even if the answer is yes, that still leaves the question, would Light also not gain anything?
@@Jerry8208 I'm sure he would have, but I mean it's just not the same level. Light is a national prodigy, L is an international prodigy. Oh also, L didn't grow up around gifted people, the facility became a gifted school after L left, because they wanted to find his successor.
@@username_kk2177 Good point, I didn't know that about the orphanage
When you think that way, then the only difference there would be is they look different. L would become Light with his personality, and Light would become L with his personality. It would just be Death Note except they look different.
L is dirty, less social, always eating and overall a crazy guy who sits weird, throws himself in the washing machine while Light is this perfect boi. I don't think anyone will think L is the killer, he is just not someone others can suspect
I disagree. Weird mannerisms while speaking with high intelligence describes some of the most prolific criminals in a nutshell. Maybe L wouldn't cause the police to suspect him directly like Light did. But if they somehow still got onto his vicinity, then the way he acts would set him apart and draw immediate attention to him. Especially without his respect and wealth to shield him, he would just be an outcast.
If you had no idea between about death note and a friend showed you some pictures and scenes about both, Most would surely think L is weird and the Killer. Not light that is very sociable and has starts with a good and normal life.
Light puts a lot more effort into his public perception
@@DieEineMiezeNot really since L is more honest than Light 100%. The whole "weird person is the serial killer" thing died a while ago. There's many characters like Adachi, Yoshikage Kira, Ayanokoji Kiyotaka, etc, and less stereotypical serial killers
The character study is amazingly complex and tthought-out. It's interesting to listen and provides a great understanding. I applaud. However, I disagree with your conclusion.
I would actually like to see Light figure out Ryuzaki-Kira's identity in a different, more fitting to their personalities way. With such high stats that got him to be the number one student in the original story, I wouldn't say he's that much inferior to L. In fact, I believe some of his flaws can also be his advantages.
As was said, Light is extremely egocentric and can't stand loosing, so he'd stop at nothing and there's no chance he'd drop the Kira's case until he'd convicted them. Imagine that: the greatest detective of all time was outplayed by someone! That'll be such a blow to his reputation, he can't allow it! So Light would definitely go the insane distance to catch Kira. Which makes me wonder, how differently his methods would be, based on his cunning nature, acting skills, his social skills or his relentlessnes and much more defined lack of care for other people, intertwined with his yearn for justification.
At same time, there's Ryuzaki, of whom it was stated that he's curious and using death note out of boredom and doesn't have the need to be considered a god... But then why would he spend his days just laying low, devotedly writing down the names like it's some kind of life purpose? He'd get bored pretty qquickl without stimuli, that Light can provide. So he'd be eager to give light clues as well, to keep the game going. Though, perhaps for a more social reason than Light did. Ryuzaki was pretty lonely, afterall.
(Though there's also a theory that Light wasn't acting impulsively just because of his ego, but due to unmet social needs as well. Like, winning was a lesser priority and motivation compared to seeing people's reaction to him revealing his identity and seeking some sort of twisted validation for it. Maybe he just felt pressured from having to be such a role model all the time and it was a for m of rebellion and a search for freedom...?)
Anyway. Light and Ryuzaki are covered, but they weren't the only ones who influenced the way the story unfolded. The second Kira, aka Misa Amane, (who's now should be on Ryuzaki's side, since he's Kira now, and Ryuzaki kinda liked her, so it would be plenty different. And Ryuzaki is not as good-looking or rich or charming as Light in this, so I wonder if that plays a role or not... He's somewhat nicer though.), she revealed a lot about supernatural side of the killings. She also often acted unpredictable, impulsive and is probably easy to lead on, so that would might help the investigation as well.
Thank you for reading through this long post, if you did. As I said, the analysis was delectable, so it would be curious to see, how an application of said traits from both Light and Ryuzaki would make a story, had they switched places.
Also, happy upcoming New Year. :)
Thats a very interesting take but makes a lot of sense
It's fair to say L would want a challenge, but that just means L will take a different route to confronting detective Light in this scenario, but can he emotionally provoked by a Lind L Tailor stunt? would Light's own morals (as good Light) even have him sacrifice a criminal?
Actually it would be really funny if Light managed to figure things out about Kira because of Misa's actions (before she contacts L). She might not use her powers the same way though, and she might not be on L's side - L wouldn't necessarily kill criminals here, so she isn't guaranteed to follow him
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Excellent point about Misa, after Lind L. Taylor she was Light's biggest weakness insofar as she revealed lots of information to L that Light would rather have kept a secret. Obviously afterwards she was a huge asset, but until he made contact with her she was a huge liability. Would L Kira be able to get to her as fast as Light did, given that he'd play it safer and stay further away from the task force? Could be a game changer if Light L catches Misa before L Kira gets to her, given his insane levels of charm with women specifically.
It was said L took cases only with 1 million currency or 10 victims . that's most likely because he was bored as this was his hobby. unless im forgetting supporting details this was what increasing diffculity when bored did to L. As you said he doesn't care to flaunt his title. We seen how light is impulsive with Lind L Tailor. So it would be L's intellect flaunting as the story above "7lyerD" made with the dictator was perfectly alligned vs light's desire flaunting his substantiated god complex has more impact without traceability. Even when L was lonely he lied to Light as its known he's lonely he used this to trick light in thinking he's desperate for friends. His loneliness didn't ever show as a supression to his goals ultimatum. I hope this was a grounded counterargument.
Godly video quality but I think it’s worth noting both these characters are built for the situations they were in, meaning that when you swap them they are both in a sub optimal situations for there abilities
The difference between them is that L doesn't get baited by anger that much. He'll lash out, but not nearly as much as Light did.
If anything, I think that instead of the Lind L. sacrifice, Light as L would do a reverse of the "Gods of Death love apples" thing. He would release information that people don't understand and then monitor media and the internet to see if anyone does look into it. Then THAT would narrow down his search.
Light is emotionally driven while L is far more curious.
I'm only 30 seconds in and that editing is already SO GOOD, what if videos are usually relatively low effort and kinda mostly never go anywhere, but the effort that went into this already sold me.
Wow, thank you!
facts the editing is perfect
L is definitely smarter then light it’s largely the death note that carries him although light’s ego does hold him back but they are still relative enough to each other that for the most part they both can be genuine threats to each other.
Light is smarter than L
@@kikitori2413pretty sure the creator confirmed L was smarter
@@archysdead yea but another creator said near is smarter so it is just a contradiction
@@kikitori2413no they meant the creator of death note said L is smarter
@@archysdeadActually, in manga it was stated that Light is smarter
I can imagine L could test death note on BB since he is 100% sure he is guilty, he caught him after all, and BB is probably is the smartest(=dangerous) criminal L ever dealt with, meaning he has a chance to escape if he wanted to
I love how you interprets both characters how they desired to develop in this swapped scenario alternative path that the characters take, W video as always 🐐.
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I believe that Light might use the resources from L in a similar fashion as he did with the Death note. He wants to be noticed and become justice incarnate, while L would likely try to stop Light from abusing his power and authority.
Basically, the only thing to change is Light now has money instead of a magical book, and L has a magical book and no money. I feel like everything else in the show/manga would occur in a similar fashion to this hypothetical scenario, and I would like to see something like this.
I love that L honestly crossed off the idea that any adult wouldn’t have a similar mindset and character flaws when I know many adults who have several if not all of them..
He didn't "completely cross off" the idea. He just made an observation. And the timings of death cemented his suspicions that Kira was a student
I agree with your overall reasoning
I will point out however that while L-Light would have all the character flaws you pointed out of his non-Kira persona, there were times where he was shown to be capable of surpassing L's intellectual capability such as when during the Yotsuba Arc he was able to notice a correlation that not even L could, which the narrative portrayed as "godly"
This to me means Light could possibly win against Ryuuzaki/Kira if in absence of the Death Note he managed to achieve his full intellectual potential, which could reach a superhuman-level(by Death Note's standard of superhuman)
That however is still very unlikely as Light at the beggining of the series, which is the one being put in the role of L, would still be immature and not achieved his hypothetical peak alongside being plagued by the same character flaws already pointed out, while L would be L
Yeah just depends if Ryuzaki Kira is able to emotionally provoked the same way Light was since his emotional composure is different Light Yagami who had the classic bringing up for Narc traits (good Light even ponders on if he'd want criminals to die in Yotsuba arc)
I think L could be provoked, Light certainly knew how to piss him off like with the "shinigami likes apples" riddle
It's just that he's much more difficult to set off and lose his composure than Light who went nuts over a random cop calling him evil
It's pretty big maturity gap
I thought about that too, but that depends if L as Kira has any glaring characteristics and motives as a killer besides being bored in this scenario. Where Light as Kira can be psychoanalyzed and you can atleast see a immature sense of right and wrong. Tho canon Light as Kira can def provoke L as a detective, his dead ends and misdirections are super good. Situation based scenarios go differently compared to usual VS battles.
The shinigami likes apple riddle isn't even the best stomp of Light it's his memory swap plan which stomps L to realize he may never be able to catch Kira if Kira can swap bodies whenever to avoid capture. Making him severely unmotivated.
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You're right, the memory swap thing did affect L terribly, I guess I didnt think of it because I was focused on anger to expose him rather than making him give up
Also I guess motivation is the biggest issue when it comes to this scenario, I buy your idea that L definitely would test the Death Note but keeping using it for "God of the New World" sake is Light's thing, perhaps Ryuuzaki Kira would be pulling a BB in wanting to give L Light a case he cant solve for his own pride/entertainment? But for that he would have to know that L exists in the first place which Kira Light didnt
The video quality has improved so much also the script did, cheers!
L would never get caught. For one, L is extremely anti-social, which means that he would never intentionally put himself in the spot light. And the only way to catch someone with a death note is for that to happen, for L to intentionally let Light catch on to him, never happening. Second, L is actually way smarter than Light, and that has everything to do with the fact that L has a more controlled ego, he would simply kill better and more efficiently. To the point that the the existence of a death note would never be on the table.
I love these kinds of videos. You truly understand the series unlike most people who watch it.
this is SO WELL MADEE , u literally finessed an elaborate and backed up spin-off!! and i don't think L would get caught
This video is incredible. The analysis, editing and presentation are so damn well made💪
This video is underrated and also can we appreciate the editing?
4:43 he only vents his anger in his room because thats where the cameras cant see him
he just decided not to freak out while he was in front of the camera to avoid being caught
Editing is superb,especially the sound design!
As a wise man say "Without light the world is dark, without L light is just a word"
Sorry, wasn't it "Without L world is just a word"?
ight' bro sounded wise
Without L light is just ight
@@motherfuckingagorithimcomm6136 Yet in the end he was in fact not "Ight"
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This is a very well-put together video. The concept is great and i would just love a manga following a different timeline where L is actually Kira
would bang as a One Shot!
@@AventSir About what you said about Light having a facade, for a few minutes I pondered on it because it is shown multiple times Light is very self-controlled and even after he got the death note, no one managed to notice something was wrong with him. And in the 25th episode of the show, L asked "was there ever a point in your life when you have told the truth?" This made me realize that Light has done so well because he has put on this perfect son facade his entire life. He is so used to pretending to be this person that no one (except L and Rem) could see through it.
Another amazing Avent upload, I’d personally give the win to Lawliet in this scenario
Reminder that L was only willing to get 100% proof to convict Light. If Light were evil he might not care and capture him.
But even L didnt care about using Illegal means such as wire tapping as long as he got proof afterward. Even if you think Light wouldnt use evil means to catch Kira, he might still do what L did, or even do what Mello and Near did.
The editing here is top notch but this video feels like clickbait because it barely covers what the title says and is just more of a character study of L and Light. A real shame too because the idea of Light becoming L completely legit and L being Kira trying to evade Light is a very interesting thought.
agreed, clickbaity af
Literally, I was disappointed
Loys analysis is moving mountains
If the two were to truly swap places... Well, keep in kind that L's background also includes analyzing and solving countless cases from a very young age; it's the biggest thing that allowed him to hone his logical side and temper his emotional one. Give that experience instead to Light and have the two completely trade roles, and honestly there's no reason to say the result would be all that different (if indeed at all). As a couple of points in the video showed, they're both products of their respective circumstances. Odds are a full-on swap of the two would have the same result as the original, just with Lawliet doing the dirty work.
Although if you were to go the other route, keep their origins the same but have L be the one to discover the Death Note... And yeah, L would be smart enough to use it strategically and likely be a lot more subtle about it so as to not draw attention to himself. Really, there's a pretty realistic chance that the whole Kira phenomenon would never have taken off with L managing the page, in which case Light wouldn't even be a factor since it's heavily unlikely he'd ever find out.
Now, let's say L made a tactical slip-up and did end up drawing Light's suspicions and kick-starting widespread investigations. Would he be able to solve the whole mess or get anywhere close to L? Possibly, but it would be a pretty big uphill battle. He has apparently assisted the police in solving cases in the past, but this would be well beyond the scope of anything he's likely to have covered before, and there's also the matter of his ego as well as being more hesitant to accept unconventional and/or supernatural concepts than L is (recall that in the actual material he initially thought the Death Note was some elaborate prank object and came very close to just abandoning it). And while Light's deductive skills are very impressive, he lacks the level of psychological understanding that L demonstrates. He could pull it off in theory, but he would need a lot of help and to find an actual avenue he could get to L through which would NOT be easy (in the series proper, L came to him; in this scenario he has little if any reason to do that. Granted, L can't be TOO passive if he's called upon by the police here since it would be too unusual for him to not show any interest or active efforts in the investigations and he would want to avoid stirring any real suspicions, but he is still WAY better-protected than Light is here). There's really only one person who can realistically give even a vague profile of what kind of person L is, and as far as I can tell it's unlikely she'd have have any reason to get involved since I think L would be smart enough to not give Pember the axe (outside of an extraordinarily unlucky circumstance). Basically, the odds work heavily against Light ever catching L, but on the flip-side of that it's unlikely he'd die either.
(EDIT) Thinking about it more, I realized there's one other huge loose end in this scenario: Misa. In the series proper, her big reverence for Kira comes from the fact that Light killed the person responsible for her family's deaths... who would otherwise most likely have gotten away with his crime scot-free, and it's heavily unlikely L would have intervened in her case in any way, so it's pretty likely she would not hold Kira in as hugely positive a light. It's also unclear how she would use her knowledge of Shinigami and Death Notes without having her Kira obsession as a catalyst. If she did use it some way I think L would be likely to view her as a convenient scapegoat at best, or a detriment at worst (letting a rogue Death Note bearer run amok would present him with too many risks; he would want to eliminate that loose end ASAP, and finding her would be even less difficult of a task for L in this scenario since it's pretty likely he'd have knowledge of the Shinigami Eye deal at that point). She'd be pretty unlikely to turn to the police, too, so I don't think she'd offer Light any insights as to how the Death Note works were they to meet; at least not without some serious convincing. Misa's role in this seems like it would potentially be pretty short-lived; if L figured her out he could easily arrange an "accident" and remove her from the equation without drawing any serious attention to himself.
W video idea and quality. I will be trying to make a wattpad novel based on what if they switched places. But i dont think this will fit out since Light and L were built around in their own orginal situations.
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ill read it, is this finished yet?
The Lightgoat hating and L glazing is crazy 😭😭😭.
W video tho
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Having a death note means having the upper hand. Yet Light was kinda caught anyway
this has to be the most underrated channel out there.
Amazing video editing, never seen videos better then this level of animations ❤❤❤
Light not killing Lindt L. Taylor would not have changed a lot, as Misa Amane would still have revealed all the information L got from that broadcast, only just a bit later.
Bro your Death Note vids give me life…please continue with them!!
Light would just give up on the Kira case and put in his 8 seasons growing as a TV detective before finally challenging L in the season finale.
The Mentalist lmao
PJ slams all these fodders
@@AventSircomparing a Top tier smart character to a Mid tier (Light) and a Mid-High tier (Canon L Lawliet)
No you are wrong Light hates to lose so he wouldn't give up that's his entire personality.
The final speech of Light confirms this .
Correction at 4:42
Magical thinking is the believe that one can have a magical influence over events through unrelated actions, i.e. believing that if you arrange the books on your shelf a certain way (or fail to do so) that someone will die. It's actually often related to anxiety & OCD, as people with magical thinking fear that they will cause something bad to happen if they fail to take some action. It is not a god complex.
Honestly, I think that L would probably just have the death note as one extra tool up his sleeve. I doubt he'd even kill criminals with it, it'd be something he'd just pull out and be like "Oh yes, I suppose I do have a method of killing someone untraced" in some kind of dire situation.
Really good, well thought out video, you clearly have a deep and nuanced understanding of these characters. Another thing that I think would keep L from getting caught or at least make it even harder is his self awareness, which plays into his emotional intelligence like you mentioned. He says part of why he can understand how Kira thinks and acts is because he has the same hatred of losing, which he himself refers to as childish. He'd be more likely to recognize how his flaws might come back to bite him beforehand and then work to accommodate them from the beginning rather than making a huge mistake and pivoting to change his M.O. only after the damage has been done and he's royally screwed himself over. If Light were to try to pull a Lind L. Taylor on him, it wouldn't work because even if L did get riled up by being taunted like Light did he wouldn't let it cloud his judgment to anywhere near the same degree (but I also think it would be way, way harder to rile L up at all). Let's be real, Light had a MASSIVE advantage over L that even having an ungodly amount of money and resources wouldn't come close to replicating. I feel like if anything, to make it an actual contest L would have to purposefully handicap himself to 'even' the playing field.
No because L looks like the type of guy to be Kira and Light looks like the type of guy to investigate. How am I now realising this 😭🤚.
Bro if you turn on captions at 0:20 it says "Before we get to the nitty gritty,we need to cover one large question" What the hell
This felt more of a L love letter than a switching places video but great video regardless
Light Yagami also has a weakness of consistently believing his allies will be constantly acting as efficiently as him. He would have won against Near if he did not assume Mikami couldn’t be tricked by Near.
Light's last plan to beat Near was actually brilliant, I think it was way better than his plan to kill L which was flawed and extremely plot contrived IMO. The authors could have written Death Note a lot better in hindsight.
@@username_kk2177 Definitely. Light’s plan against Near was great, it only failed because Mikami is kind of a dumbass.
@@SuperBatSpider I mean that's unfair, Mikami did do a fairly reasonable thing in that circumstance, Light just has terrible emotional understanding and psychoanalysis and didn't really understand how Mikami would react, which conversely is L's best strength. I think Light could have used some extra manipulation (Lights best ability) on Mikami to get him to act a particular way.
@@username_kk2177 True. Mikami isn’t really that dumb, he’s like Matsuda, he just seems dumb because there’s so many geniuses around him. My b.
All My homies hate mikami
This video's editing is amazing! God bless
Yo this editing and production quality is insane. Its criminal that you only have 15k, mad underrated
Now i wonder what would happen if L as a detective got the Death Note and Light as a student was supposed to find and expose L. While I am not sure how to make that happen with L having a lot more to go with, it would be much more fun because we could have an underdog to root for. We'd even have a story of Light realizing his mistakes of his pride and changing to be better (assuming he doesn't have an incurable problem like sociopathy). *This* would be an interesting story of L representing Light's inner struggles of managing feeling better than everyone else.
Your videos are amazing. W content
peak editing and understanding about death note
Such beautiful editing.
Another element to consider is that Light created the Kira figure and killed most criminals with heart attacks so people knows that someone is murdering the criminals, that allowed L to know about Kira even if only as an urban legend. Assuming L is only interested in executing criminals without the need of becoming "a god of the new world", then he would cover his tracks by making it all look like accidents. Perhaps Light could still figure out that due to the exponentially increased mortality rate of broadcasted criminals that there's someone setting their deaths. It may take longer, specially if L doesn't take the Lind L Taylor bait. L may have different struggles unrelated to his ego......1- he would probably be unwilling to kill innocents even if it's necessary to keep his cover. 2-He probably won't make an alliance with Misa Misa, because unlike her, there are lines he won't cross and she probably won't fall in love with him. This could quickly turn into a 3 faction conflict. 3- L would probably be alone. Light as kira got his allies by manipulation and for their cult like following of kira and L as a detective got his team by his connections as a detective and wealth, which he wouldn't have as a highschool student.
ur video popped up on my recommended ik this video is a 1/10 for u rn this video is about to hit insane for u bro good shi 😂
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You didn't have to call my narcisstic ass like that :D when you described Light personality i thought this video is about me
great video and editing :) impressive analysis of Light's personality
Nobody can ever track L if he was kira
Wow I thought of this question few days ago, if they switched roles not just L getting the death note
"On that day, if our positions were switched, would I have your life? And you mine?"
L's is not a narcissist to light's extent. He won't be making the mistakes light did.
What an interesting concept! Why Aren't more people talking about this?
It depends,if L went head on with light,light easily wins, considering that light was able to predict and deduce L plans,he will surely use the same methods,and since light has all the recourses of L,he has wami house training,gives him a boost in iq and intelligence,and knowledge,but if L actually doesnt take him head on or care abt him (which is the most logical thing that L would do),then L would win bc he would never get caught,since light would be pushing the investigation tok much and might slip up and L would catch him
When you realize Light and L are basically the difference between two similar crazy people but one of them chose to do hard drugs (the deathnote especially with Ryuk basically compares the power to a drug) in this case Light stayed clean and L did the Methnote book thus the difference between them is one is addicted to power the other only wants a challenge
Great video
L just becomes Beyond Birthday atp.
Switching roles means you'd have to kinda wonder about A & B.B
Growing up in different circumstances and environments would change a person’s personality and their outlook in life.
I can’t suspend my disbelief in canario where they remain the same character after swapping places.
A big thing that I noticed that you more or less proved yourself wrong here is the fact that as you stated "L took on the Kira case as a challenge of his intellect". The main point you made was the fact that L would never make the same mistake because his ego never got in the way, however this same ego that you brought up from L is the exact same reason that why Light even decided to further engage with L because Light also wanted a challenge, and this was after the Lind L Tailor murder because Light still could've just not done anything in regards to trying to find L's identity as this wouldn't have been enough to catch Light. Given this hypothetical assumes Light has all of L's resources and still has his personality nothing much would really change since L like Light also wanted a challenge, so L would've most likely wanted to challenge Light in some way. How L would've gone about this might way difference than how Light would but overall it'd go the same. While Light does slip up and have his moments there is a certain degree in which Light needed to do so because then he'd never get close to L something which Light stated many times over in the manga.
Coughing Baby vs Hydrogen Bomb be like
its a clever observation to see that L really had virtues while Light only had vices. As such L was free to iterate through - with problem-solving, while light was burdened with guilt and shame adding to his stress and problems in contrast
5:45 - 6:10 the death of Misora is another perfect example. Although stated to be intelligent and proven more so in Another Note, due to the death of her husband and therefore, stricken by grief, she behaved uncharacteristically foolish and gave her name to Light, which he abused. Light even double downed and disrespectfully asked if she'd still like to speak with his father. This was obviously a salty jab at her, because if not for Ryuk's laugh after she'd fooled him with a fake name, he would've still been tricked.
And if her husband hadn't died, he wouldn't have learned her name without forceful measures or using the Shinigami Eyes (plausible since otherwise, they would've known the culprit was Light vs a list of like 6 people). He preyed upon her weaken state in every way. He's also very lucky it magically started snowing, otherwise there would've been a cop witness, veiled by an umbrella. Haha
I think people forget that Ryuk dropped his Death Note in the first place because he was bored of normal Shinigami work. So he let a mortal putz around with the Death Note for a while just to entertain himself.
L is not someone who feeds into other people’s desires for entertainment or satisfaction. He wants to learn everything, solve mysteries and be a great detective (something he can still do if he had Light’s start instead of his normal one, Light grew up in a police detective’s family so of course L would do the same if L had the same start as Light). L would experiment with the Death Note, however, so maybe the first few deaths could be traceable, but the moment L finds the limits of the Death Note he would be done with it.
L can probably see the danger of Ryuk getting bored and potentially offing L once Ryuk has had enough, so it’s possible the challenge of keeping Ryuk entertained would propel L to become Kira. But on the other side, let’s consider Light with L’s OG story start. Light may be just as intelligent as L, but he’s a narcissist and he thinks very highly of himself. Growing up in a household of geniuses like L did would constantly beat down that ego and force Light to either confront reality and give up, or to rise through sheer force of will and be the best genius out of everyone. So Light with L’s start would be ruthless, no nonsense and extremely efficient, his narcissism being fed by persevering and overcoming the geniuses around him.
Arrogance backed by experience and honed by a crucible of constant reminders of his own inferiority relative to others in that house is an unbeatable arrogance. It’s one based on what Light proved he could do, and he would constantly challenge the other geniuses to test to see if he could beat them yet or not.
In short, Light could be the catalyst to improve and refine the genius intellects that came from that house, and in turn even if he’s not as smart or as capable as those geniuses he would find ways to “defeat” them and establish himself as the best intellect of that house. Light’s ego wouldn’t have it any other way.
In other words, Light would become a real menace if he had L’s start. I don’t think Light would turn to crime, but his sense of righteousness would propel him to act outside the law a time or two… possibly in a high-profile manner, the perpetrators of which wouldn’t be discovered, but for L in Light’s start… what perfect way to keep Ryuk entertained than to use the Death Note to lure out a killer masquerading as an international detective?
Light honed through the crucible of geniuses, versus L with a drive to accomplish and learn everything from his “perfect” start… the stage would be set; let the battle begin!!!!!
If they actually switch places, then we have a Death Note anime with 7 or more seasons.
I love that instead of just speculating about stuff, you also gave us interesting lore like how L got his money
I feel like some people are overestimating Light's intelligence. He's obviously really smart, especially when it comes to manipulation, but his opponent is a detective who has solved over 3500 cases in no more than 17 years as he didn't join Wammy House until he was 8, and while we don't know when he became a detective, we do know he died at 24 or 25. It could be even less than 17 years, but assuming he had 17 that is an average of 4 cases every week without breaks.
L reasonably narrowed down his suspicion to just Light in almost no time, but the difficulty he ran into was being able to prove it when he was up against a hereunto unknown magical system that Light knew all the rules to. And despite that, he still had Light cornered to the point another Shinigami had to interfere and killed him to save Misa.
L is a genius without equal and has the experience of working to solve over 3000 cases, so he'd have had more experience than anyone to figure out just what sorts of little details most often get someone caught. If they just swapped roles, Light would never be able to find him.
However, from a meta perspective, if the story was written with L as Kira, he would be caught; the author said that he was the smartest person in the entire story "because the plot demanded it." If he wasn't the primary detective, the plot wouldn't need him to be the smartest character anymore, so he wouldn't have been written to be.
That would be true in a vacuum, but the thing is that L and Near both got an author, power boost at the beginning, and end of the story in order for the plot to function, because neither of them pull the hyper genius level super calculations (and physically impossible setups) necessary to beat Kira except when it’s thematically relevant and never before and after that point, they only make steady progress instead of leapfrogging to the end as the previous pace would imply otherwise possible.
If they were switched around, then light, would get the power boost necessary in order to start the plot in the first place
You're going a level too low. This is given the information we have about the characters, not what we think the writers would have written if that makes sense.
@@Gandhi_Physique yes in the end, it all comes down to writers fiat, but that also includes keeping the story going, which is why when the antagonist should have the information they need to actually corner light and keep the plot moving they get it, and if the characters are inverse position, so it’s still happen because the narrative needs momentum which is really all I was trying to say .
The only thing that comes to my mind when i think about a Evil L is Beyond Birthday
L was a step ahead of Light the whole time, the only moment Light got ahead is when he pushed the unknown rule to their limit.
but i think if L got in trouble like Light did, with his social skill, he wouldn't be able to get away with it, but he wouldn't put himself in such a situation in the first place
Light pushed unknown rule (and shinigami) to it's limits, yes. Then again, Misa is the only reason that Light go into that situation which required the plan. Light successfully turned his greatest weakness (Misa and Rem) to his greatest strength and defeated L quite easily. Then again L had no way to outplay that move.
I love these videos discussing death note
Can you please make a cross over between usogui and death note
You can for example write a senario where light is take over the usogui organization and thus he should play all the games while keeping with L and everyone else or may be you can write a senario about his ego where he doesn’t want to kill them easily but to humiliate them, and where L has to deal with kira, baku and everyone else with baku trying to win surpassing the leader, there is so much shit to tackle
I can’t wait for such a senario from you, there are three ways this can go :
1. Usogui characters don’t know about death note or kira
2. They know about the death note but not kira
3. They know about both
Yet there is L and the FBI, shongami, Misa to consider and how will baku act in such interesting case
Please, I can’t wait for such a video
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Interesting video but I think you misunderstood light's character. Alot of the traits you got were when he was evil by the notebook. Like he wouldn't control Misa when he lost his memory. Nice theory but it can't be right. Maybe once he lost the notebook it made him good but I'm not confident in that theory.
Thanks for making the video it's fun to analyze stuff.
His “evil” aka just Narcissim stems from Light’s constant praise throughout his life, and the death note inflated predisposed characteristics. (Memory wiped Light contemplates about if all criminals should die, which he confirms he probably would agree with deep down)
Jungians shadow, basically.
ua-cam.com/video/sIoLQJJHpJg/v-deo.html - (heres a vid I made on this idea)
I mean he also had no reason to use misa when he gave up the death note, and the death note definitely didn’t make him evil, it just gave him a tool to act on it
If L would’ve went head on like Near instead of getting close regardless still being skeptical he would’ve been had light. Near didn’t question their thoughts not once like L it was she knew exactly nothing was gonna change their mind they knew the truth
Do you have a list of the ost you used? Here? I’ve been looking for the song at around 3:50, and could never find it
ayashige - death note
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I think the main argument against L which wasn’t really talked about was the power the death note possessed over its user. The death note, and its story, are derived from the same Greek myth the lord of the rings is based off of. Essentially the myth outlines that action without consequence will corrupt anyone, even if they are the best of the best. There is no more good or evil, it’s simply becomes “what do I want to do today?” If the same logic from the myth and the lord of the rings is to be applied, L would absolutely become corrupted by the death note, maybe making it a little easier for Light to catch him.
Here’s my thoughts before watching the video.
L had a massive hunch about Light and how this power worked early on.
L was playing a game he didn’t know the rules to and Light knew every rule and L was as close as he was.
If L had the book, he’d no doubt probably never be caught.
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Light would catch him far more quickly as L wouldn't be able to play it off, but he'd also likely go for the shinigami eyes deal more easily than Light and basically get an easy W that way.
What does your editor use to edit? O:
Fantastic video!
Citing this for my psychology paper this is amazingg
Yes and no, light did start to use/test it cause he was bored, saw its potential, but decided to use it for himself (he contemplated with himself who was the most suitable user for it). He thought he was the best choice. He struggled a little to change but became what he was, his achievements/abilities having a profound impact.
Perspective is key, u see, he was the best student in japan, was seemingly smarter than anyone in his environment, etc. Consequentially, these were the foundation of his thoughts.
A valid proof that Light isn't in of itself narcissistic or evil was his behaviour after memory loss. I do not deny that he has a high ego at the beginning.
Goat
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Okay, so I kind of stopped following when L suddenly had money. I like the idea better that he was an orphan, and I think it has more continuity with the story. He works extra hard to fit into society by getting good grades, or not. Survivalism plays a large part in how he uses the Death Note, because it has such an impact on people's life choices and philosophies. Having the Death Note could illuminate that.
L is an orphan who is found by Watari recognizing his special talents. in Canon BB murder case novel and the one shot, IN this scenario it was showing L's gathering of influence and all that, and giving to Light so in this scenario L doesnt have money.
L and light are almost equal in intelligence but their personality makes the biggest difference cause if light grew in the same way as L his personality might be different and if L grew like light it would also apply but with their same personality it wouldn’t be possible for light to catch L