Is This Nintendo's Pettiest Takedown Ever?
Вставка
- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Head to www.squarespace... to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code "arlo"
Nintendo loves spoiling our fun, but this feels like a new low to me.
If you like what I do, please consider supporting me on Patreon!
/ arlostuff
TWOOTER: @ArloStuff
BOOKFACE: ArloStuff
This video was edited by the lovely Kane!
/ farfetchdreviews
Thumbnail by Yoshiller!
/ yoshiller
"Reloaded Installer #11" by LHS.
/ @lhschiptunes
“Maybe they’ll reissue it for a later anniversary or something.”
Oh, like the big special anniversary they JUST DID with THIS GAME? That would have been a good time to do that.
What you know?
@@Blue-fg8vt I know that a good time to rerelease an old strategy guide would have been for the rerelease of the game it covers. That just makes sense. Why put it out so long after that?
@@Zenlore6499 sorry I ment it in a more of an agreeing way not a literal "what you know"
Yeah they could have thrown it in 3D All Stars. You know, instead of absolutely nothing lol.
@@Blue-fg8vt did you mean what do you know
That's not even close to the pettiest.
They've taken down a blender tutorial I made a while ago, because I used a texture from Wind Waker to demonstrate how to use Blender.
Im sorry they did what??
That is,, so stupid
That's what an entitled asshole Internet developper does, not a huge gaming company!
Nintendo truly is the pettiest company
That’s just ridiculous
@@Golinth He's joking
this is why I don't like people going for these jokes: people actually think they are serious
@@wubbers662 no, i'm being serious. nintendo has it really out for me. they've taken over 70 videos off my channel in total.
@@KazeN64 fight em then
This reminds me of the guy who was going to release a NES Metroid guide he drew by hand and Nintendo came in and shut it down. Does anyone really think a book like that would have done any damage to Nintendo?
wtaf Nintendo
well the guy would be using an ip he doesn't have the right to use, right?
@@mayonayo2016 What's the difference between making a physical guidebook for a game and producing a walkthrough video (aside from medium and effort/time, obviously)? The guy was producing all art himself, and they weren't being sold (to my knowledge it was just being released as a PDF online).
@@chrismdb5686 Oh I thought it was like gonna be sold, my bad.
@@mayonayo2016 He launched a Kickstarter campaign to fund physical editions of all his guides. If I remember correctly on the last day of the campaign, Nintendo's lawyers contacted him saying that there may be some concerns and he decided to cancel the campaign to avoid any legal trouble.
The long and the short is: if someone wants something, and no one wants to give it, someone will find a way to get it anyway... this is why piracy exists.
Nintendo has a bad problem of being extremely against piracy, but also the biggest promoter of it due to their weird copyright logic.
Knowing the internet, the scans are still out there and will pop up again eventually, but this is still dumb from a gaming history perspective.
Exactly, supply and demand. Nintendo just wants to needlessly vault shit out of greed, almost like Disney. Instead of offering a better alternative that piracy can't compete with (which they could easily do), they would rather stomp their feet and call the lawyers. But it's Nintendo, so I guess they can be as shitty and anti-consumer as they want because tons of people pay and defend them anyway. And it looks like they know that lol.
Truth
They do need to understand: IF YOU WON'T DO IT, SOMEONE ELSE WILL!
This is why I like valves approach to piracy, and that's to offer something better than what the pirates can offer. You can play almost all of their library on their service, at a reasonable price as well. To top it off, there are a number of games that were based on fan creations, or are just straight up fan projects.
Although Valve has problems of their own, they know how to embrace their fans and their past.
It' perfectly normal to be against piracy. What we need to protect is gaming history, not piracy. That's why this Nintendo decision is very bad, and that's why you can't compare it with other IP issues.
it's a really big kick in the head to people just trying to preserve a piece of gaming history
I genuinely believe that companies like Nintendo are actively opposed to video game preservation in any form. They want games to be bought and discarded for maximum profit, only enjoyed again later by re-renting them on an online subscription service
@@ghostcassette6012 I’m almost positive of it
@@awesomeocelot7475 the reality is, from my experience, far less simplistic than that. Though, one part of the problem (the profit motive) is a reason, it isn't the sole reason. You've also got a major problem with how people treat history in general...
... which, as a former enthusiast of history, is _pretty damn poor_ in general.
In addition to _that_ problem, you've got the IP problem, which, to be honest here, is the biggest of the major problems. The gaming landscape has changed immensely, and being creative _isn't_ rewarded anymore. To do something new is to be frowned upon in general (I mean, look how bad the RTS genre fared when Starcraft 2 became top dog and the general userbase of RTSes outright rejecting the attempts to 'causalify' the genre) and to make change is even worse in some ways...
You aren't very familiar with the entertainment industry as a whole, are you?
@@ghostcassette6012
And you get that from a singular ban?
How would scanning a Japanese player's guide from almost 30 years ago hurt Nintendo's current profit margins? This is getting out of hand.
What kills me’s that I don’t see them splashing it on their own website, any time soon.
I love their games, but the things Nintendo does, it’s getting increasingly stupid, imma be honest.
Nintendo is like a abusive relationship.
If I understand correctly if they (nintendo) don't do this and somebody uses this in the future to make money, nintendo would have a disadvantage as there is previous incident where somebody else used the property and Nintendo did nothing. My guess is Arlo didn't have much to talk about this week because it was a pretty slow week and thus he chose something like this to discuss.
It's simple, it's a Nintendo project shared without license, unless it's a licensed product or official launch, they won't accept anyone to share if even if it's for free, it would be bad for their image n I'm not even joking, that's their mentality
@@repayne seeing all of the accusations made against them by former employees, it might as well be a literal one
This is everyone's opportunity to spam every feed with pictures of the scans until Nintendo just gives up.
Brilliant. And dope pfp
That'll show the employees running the twitter account who have nothing to do with this
If you think that'll make a difference you're too used to how other companies cave from that stuff
Let me know how that goes. Because drift isn’t real, right?
@@notrod5341 Their twitter has nothing to do with it, nor do I think the employees really care what goes on. The employees don't exist in a bubble separate from the mysterious "evil lawyers", they are still a part of the company. Every action taken against the company will eventually be felt by whoever you would place as responsible for their miserable decisions.
As great as their work is, literally nothing is good about Nintendo in how they treat their fans. I have no respect for them, and nothing disappoints and infuriates me more than having to remember that absolute masterpieces like Breath of the Wild are a result of their work. I'm not saying that they (or ANY company) should listen to everything their fans/customers say, but the sheer amount of defensivenes they have over their stuff is like a toddler not wanting to let go of their candy bar so the cashier can scan it.
As a cashier that’s a lie, because at least when a parent explains they’ll get it right back the kid will typically listen
@@theazureeyedaassassin885 Guess it's just where I work, then. Parents have to pry things from their kid's hands while the kid is already about to throw a tantrum. Assuming, of course, that they care about not holding up the line trying to explain it.
This is a really great comment. I completely agree
The concept that Nintendo's banking on is the idea that, one way or another, they get to decide who makes and profits and distributes their IP's content. Legally speaking, they have that right. If someone at Nintendo decides "We are never selling any donkey kong content again", Nintendo has the right to not only not make anything new, but also not sell anything old. That right to decide how your intellectual property is distributed is the main thing here. While other game companies don't do this, other content creation institutions such as Disney absolutely do. It's completely normal, legal practice.
Having said that, their entire legal team should be fired and made an example of. Every single time they take something down in a publicized matter, their stocks plummet. It happened again today! Their legal team /existing/ is a pr disaster and consistently costs them stock, reputation, and even long-term profits. The lead developer for AM2R went on to be a lead developer for Ori. Nintendo COULD have hired him, incorporated him into the Dread project or even into SR if there was enough work left to be done on it. Instead? Microsoft gets to control and distribute Ori, and now Nintendo is making a relative penny for the successes of that game for what few sales happen on their platform.
Nintendo consistently has issues with platform flexibility and customization, as well as legacy restoration, things fans are doing for free! And their legal team is costing them that! This is a full suite of corporate lawyers that got PAID to force a take-down of a 30 year old japanese document and cause a drop in stocks! If they literally didn't have a legal team, their company's assets would be in BETTER care!
Their business belief that their IPs represent their highest value is wrong. It's their fans, developers, and supporters that represent their highest value. And when they inevitably have another flop like the WiiU? It's those fans that will bury them.
If they flop again, they’ll be done for lol. In the Wii U era they had a handheld market to turn to and fan goodwill. They’ve been burning through that goodwill like nobodies business during the Switch era, so when they fail again, they won’t even have their fans. Nintendo does not deserve the unyieldingly loyal fans they have, a fanbase any company would love to have and probably treat much better.
I don't think they've totally eviscerated fan goodwill imo. Their ip practices are atrocious, but their games are still good and unique. They have great development talent, and with very few, very non-mainline exceptions they don't design freemium games or go thick on microtransactions. This isn't a blizzard situation.
Hilariously, I think the next console is practically guaranteed to flop. The switch's flexibility gives it more longevity than the glorified dvd players of their competitors, even with worse hardware performance. If they go the same route with a Switch 2, it'll be hard to convince their current audience to purchase, especially with the current market situation.
@@paigelove2666 I want them to flop because they are the greediest company in gaming and pulled an Adobe with classic games.
Sony and Microsoft both honor past purchases and let you buy classic games without forcing a rental.
If Nintendo freaks didn’t have such atrocious standards, we would all be better off, and probably actually have a good service that lets you subscribe or buy.
@@ThomastheDankEngine8900 I don't think comparing Nintendo to only Sony and Microsoft, and then only on the exact details of online service, paints a fair picture. Nintendo is better about drm than anyone, Nintendo still makes fantastic central ip games, and is the only purely gaming company that also manufactures consoles. It'd genuinely be a shame to lose that.
Their backwards support is archaic, but compared to wretches like Activision and EA, calling Nintendo The Worst is a stretch.
@@paigelove2666 nah I don’t think so the only time Nintendo was ever worth a damn was with the Iwata era. Mr. Iwata and maybe Reggie were the only people at Nintendo to care about their fans.
Nintendo going third party only benefits the gaming industry. I know its cool and trendy to hate EA, Ubisoft, Activision, etc. and its mostly justified, but when talking about DRM Nintendo is no GOG, so no need to praise them, and companies like Ubisoft and EA actually let you buy old games. Not to mention none of them are nearly as destructive to gaming history as Nintendo. Nintendo also tries to take down romsites and doesn’t even sell any of their old games anymore.
Let’s make a prediction. What do you think their next console will be like? Hardware wise, no better than base PS4 powerwise, and all their games will be locked behind a subscription fee of five year installments of $1,000.
I love Nintendo's IPs and that's it. The company itself is far too strange and their seal of quality on their hardware doesn't mean what it used to.
i don't know if you haven't noticed, but there literally hasn't been a nintendo seal of quality sticker on something for years
The seal of quality never meant anything. The amount of garbage on the nes
the nintendo seal haven't been used for years and honestly i think only bootleggers noticed the seal of quality
@@CDSCRATCH10 they still use it for merch i think
We all love that they deliver products gamers want to buy, rarely does anyone love the way they're doing it, Sony and Microsoft take a 30% cut still of the games they sell on their platform, theres no way around that charge for publishers even if they did all the marketing themselves, their only expectation in consumers eyes ultimately is to deliver good products at a reasonable price and that's all, wether it's timed right or wrong that's mostly irrelevant unless theres someone selling a competing product, because theres only one mario and one switch and either you're a big enough fan to buy it and enjoy it for what it is or you're not
Also a lot of Nintendo games or ones with Nintendo characters on switch are not half as good as their older generation counterparts measured by their growth
You can't lose copyright except for when it expires automatically 70 years after the death of the creator, but you can very easily lose trademarks if you don't use or protect them, because they have to be regularly renewed with the trademark office.
In this case the trademark argument doesn't hold up unless Nintendo is in some secret negotiations with a publisher that will see Nintendo IPs being monetised and Nintendo is trying to hold up their IPs values.
Then it's time that we rally up as much money as we can to win a case against them. When they lose, then we can begin a full revolution of the industry.
Have any links that could elaborate on this?
Copyright doesn't expire. Ever.
I mean okay, in theory it does, but in practice it never does, because Disney lobbies to have it extended every time their copyright on Mickey Mouse is about to expire.
Even with trademarks it requires very specific circumstances for it to happen: The trademark has to be abandoned, or the brand name has to become synonymous with the class of product it is, etc. People uploading existing works or making fangames really wouldn't run the risk of either.
@@GodhandPlusOne basically, yes. The only real difference is how long it lasts after the death of the creator. Some countries have it set at 50 years but most have it set at 70 years.
Me : “SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!”
Nintendo: “No.”
Me:"Nintendo can I buy your older games?"
Nintendo:"How bout no!"
@@FTChomp9980 More like "Sure you can. How's $10/mo sound? Oh, and we decide which games you 'buy'. And you only get them for a month before we change the list."
Nintendo: "No, you shut up instead, and I don't want your money anyways"
Nintendo: "This is a brand new problem, a problem without any clue."
I have said this way too many times about Nintendo. For some reason Nintendo just does NOT want our money.
Sorry that I'm having to pay people on Ebay x2, x3, x10 times the amount for the animal crossing cards I want. I'd go with the blind packs but YOU AREN'T SELLING THEM!
And their issues with pre-orders and specials. They would rather lose money to scalpers selling them for doubles to hundreds rather than just upping the prices and making more.
I really, really, really don't understand why Nintendo does this.
The only explanation that makes sense to me is if they have some copyright AI programmed to target every possible instance of infringement, and have forgotten to turn it off.
Or like UA-cam, intentionally let it run loose out of apathy.
To put it short, Japan law doesn't have fair use. Put that plus the fact the head honchos of Nintendo's IP rights are old Japanese businessmen...
@@raymaikeru :(
@@raymaikeru But what about all of the other Japanese videogame companies that don't do this kind of shit nearly as much? Hell, SEGA freaking hired them to not only make a new game, but remaster the old ones!
@@brycebitetti1402 Because they ain't old Japanese businessmen behind the intellectual property wheel. Most already know about U.S.'s fair use, however others, like Nintendo, are stuck with the viewpoint of Japan's fair use, which is no fair use. Makes me wish Nintendo can get some more younger ones that knows about U.S.' fair use, or just let Nintendo of America handle the IP American rights, for all we know, Nintendo of JP calls the shots of takedowns.
The whole thing about "losing copyright" isn't at all how copyright works. However, I believe the idea comes from trademarks, not copyright.
If your brand's trademark becomes synonymous with a product like
"Kleenex, photoshop, panadol ect" then a defendant in court who is being sued for breaching that trademark can use the fact that the trademark has become ubiquitous as a defence
this is true! except, the law is irrelevant when one side has enough money and power.
@@beesbeesbeesbeesbees I mean, Nintendo does still own the copyright to the guide. It's completely pointless to go against it and it just makes them look bad, but they are technically in the right to do it. It's stupid, I don't like that copyright lasts that long, I don't think that big companies need nearly as strong copyright protection as the common person. But legally, they are allowed to do it.
@@CuantumQ blame Disney...
I imagine too, if they heard about it but it wasn't being plastered all over news sites, they wouldn't care. It's often a matter of people knowing about it far and wide that becomes an issue, especially when the information is coming from a source that has it's own fair share of legal issues to worry about as a company.
As much as Arlo likes to argue about how "other companies!!!" don't go after this stuff, the problem is, most of the neat fan games and other things he has in mind are not being reported on in mass. SRB2K may be popular but I don't think there's a lot out there about it that the average internet user would have a chance to come across.
That big "well, I know about it and a lot of other people I know also know about it" factor can make things seem so much like common knowledge.
@@ultimate9056 I hate Disney, and I hate that Walt has made my life so much worse and is dead so I'll never be able to tell him what an idiot he is/was.
Nintendo is quite possibly the pettiest company out there. How anyone can defend stuff like this is beyond me. Do they really not want us to experience their past?
The fans needlessly posting things like this are pettier
i feel like there's gotta be some guy at the company who's like "well we MIGHT make/resell this thing 30 years later so take it down"
that or there's some f'ed up system at Nintendo where employees get a bonus/credit for potential promotion for finding these things and sending the Nintendo Ninjas after them.
The best way I can think of to describe this is that LEGALLY nintendo is in the right, but despite it being legal, that still doesn't make it right :/
@@jakedematteo2172 I'm sorry, I saw this brain sitting on the ground. Drop it?
@@GrimlandCS do you have an actual argument to give or just an unfunny joke that landed about as well as a plane with no wings?
So... I've been going down the Arlo rabbit hole and I think it's amazing how I tend to forget that he's literally a puppet controlled by a guy. This puppeteer is EXTRAORDINARILY talented!
I don't see any puppet.
Something I’ve learned from this: if you found something nintendo related that has even a slight chance of being taken down, screenshot it so you dont lose it
Whoa hearing Arlo describe how he hoards special food until it expires was a trip. I’ve always done that and my friends think it’s bizarre. Good to know other people share that mind goblin. And yeah, I’d reached the same conclusion, better to just shove it in my face right away rather than the trash can in a month or whatever.
I feel like people tend to confuse trademark protection with copyright protection. Trademarks need to be zealously protected to prevent their loss; copyright not so much in the same way. The internet is a copyright infringement machine; if it could be lost so easily, then no one would have defendable copyright at this point.
Correct
Shut up. Stop proving us wrong. Stop telling us that this is morally right of Nintendo. Shut up.
@@ThePlasmicAlchemist Don′t worry, this isn′t morally right. Most companies ignore this shit, ignoring content preservation efforts by fans makes them look better because they′re not obstructing preservation. This situation just makes Nintendo look petty and backwards, because while legally they′re in the right to do this due to owning the SM64 copyright/trademark, they′re morally in the wrong for taking down preservation of art that they do not produce themselves or profit from in any way currently.
Also Nintendo will not lose their Mario IP because of a reprint of a guidebook, the issue here is not someone making a video game called Mario which looks exactly like Nintendo's game, what's happening here is a person is reprinting a guidebook made and owned by Nintendo this will lot in anyway lead to Nintendo losing their Mario IP otherwise every game company would lose their IP because almost every game guidebook is available on the internet and anyone can reprint them. This is just Nintendo being petty this is neither a copyright nor a trademark infringement.
Even with trademarks it requires very specific circumstances for it to happen: The trademark has to be abandoned, or the brand name has to become synonymous with the class of product it is, etc. People uploading existing works or making fangames really wouldn't run the risk of either.
I literally didn’t even know about the existence of this guide until this fan remaster print… says a lot
its not really a remaster print, just a scan of an old guide
literally
Generally, the chief example for "failure to defend copyright" would be the ownership to King Kong itself, which was originally started by RKO Pictures in 1933. Over the years afterwards many King Kong knockoffs were made, and they generally ignored these. In 1976 yet another "unofficial remake" was released, but this time it was by Paramount. Suddenly the rights holders, who ignored most everything else to that point, decided they'd go after Paramount instead. Paramount successfully argued in court that you weren't allowed to "pick and choose" your battles, and by failing to defend against everyone else - despite the fact they were often small directors, with no money - they lost the right attack Paramount as well. This was the moment this legal precedent came into existence, and would - rather amusingly - come back to bite Paramount in the ass a few years later when they tried to argue Donkey Kong was ripping off their King Kong film. Nintendo's own lawyers argued that Paramount couldn't possibly "own" King Kong, when Paramount already fought a battle against the original owners to prove they'd allowed King Kong's "concept" to become Public Domain (the idea, not the original film itself).
Now my own thoughts on the matter are rather complex, and I'm not saying I support Nintendo always, but here's the incident you were asking for someone to post down in the comments.
I think Nintendo's mentality is "If we didn't officially release it, then it isn't allowed to exist."
If only Nintendo would put this amount of energy in fixing their f*ing Joycons.
From a business perspective, fixing joyscons makes no sense.
@@andyblanton6570 Yes... But think about how nintendo used to be. As arlo put: This is Not the Nintendo i know,
Nintendo has changed... For the Worse
@@andyblanton6570 Um, no, it makes a lot of sense. People need joycons to play games on switch. Nintendo makes games on switch and makes money from licensing games to be on switch. I know there's a boogeyman a lot of people have of evil penny-pinching pr-ignorant litigious corporations, but guess what: most businesses are actually very stupid, and just because a company does something, or in this case doesn't do something, doesn't mean that it's a smart business decision.
@@SilverLining1 why would they fix joyscons when they can sell you more?
@@michellebridge7312 no they absolutely haven't. Remember the enormous cost-cutting measures of years past?
Everyday is a good day when Arlo posts multiple episodes within 24 hours.
If only that would happen everyday...
Nintendo was a huge culmination of my childhood. Watching them repetitively make these baffling business decisions genuinely hurts me.
This is simply a person documenting something on the internet. There are fan sites and wikis that do what this person did. Nintendo shouldn't be able to reach this far without some kind of pushback.
-Next thing you'll know they'll probably take down any certified wikis on any of their franchises.-
@@lordkaijux5262 Please please no
Yeah, I wish it was easier for people to kick Nintendo back when they C&D something like this. Hopefully one of these days they send an unjustified C&D to someone who has the time and money to fight back
Nintendo fans need to fight back for once
@@RekRakJat How would they fight back on this? Nintendo has all legal right on it, the only problem is that it’s just stupid.
Can’t believe there are actually people arguing in defense of Nintendo on this
4:17 I'm actually pretty sure they don't have to. That's not how copyright works. Copyright grants exclusive rights to an author for their whole lifetime. (+ something years based on your country)
I think people maybe confusing it with trademarks, which DO have to be defended to be kept. But thing is, trademarks really only cover the branding of something. So say the name Nintendo, that's a registered trademark.
Exactly. Nintendo should fight for everyone's grandma calling all consoles "nintendos" but not this
Images can sometimes be trademarked too. For example, Disney has the outline of Micky Mouse and his ears trademarked because they sometimes use it in a logo as part of the word Disney.
@@DS9TREK Like I said, trademarks cover branding. I just gave a name as an easy example. Logos and slogans can be trademarked too. That's true.
There needs to be a statute of limitations or some shit for copyright. They cannot possibly claim they would have ever made profit off of this.
There is. It's 85 years iirc
@@WaluigiisthekingASmith you can thank a certain Michael Mouse for that travesty
@@tomsky4751 That Ricky Rodent fella was a reaction to the proximate cause, look up Oswald the Lucky Rabbit and the whole mess of a legal fight that set this whole scenario into motion.
@@WaluigiisthekingASmith It's 70 years after the death of the creator. Thanks Disney.
@@tomsky4751 THEY LITERALLY KEEP FORCING IT BACK. It will only change once our generation gets all that power and we can begin to start systematically tearing apart all of these horrible companies and people. Basically demonstrating that, we do not care how much money or influence you have. Unless you intend on having us publicly executed, we will hold you accountable for your actions, and any illegal infringements or truly monstrous actions will be thoroughly investigated and dealt with. And if you so much as TRY to bribe us, then we are taking that bribe amount, multiplying it by 20 times, and then we mark that as the fine. To show what an attempt at financial silencing will result in.
this whole "nintendo needs to take action against copyright infringement or they will lose their copyright" is wrong and is a misinterpretation of trademark genericization, which is not related to copyright and is so strict that a lot of socially generic terms are still legally trademarked. nobody on this goddamn app understands intellectual property law
nintendo is like an overprotective mom, trying to shields her child from AIR AND WATER
More like how the stupid Austrian painter who was rejected by the Vienna Art Academy or the Georgian, who should have become priest, dealt with opusitution and regime critics.
An underrated aspect of this conversation is cultural context. Many youtubers that spend a significant amount of time in Japan say the citizens are addicted to justice. They will blindly follow what is legally considered "the right thing," even if it doesn't make any logical sense to do so. Anyone that even asks question will be shunned and ostracized from whatever community they are in. Nintendo as a Japanese company full of Japanese people sees this violation of their copyright, even if it doesn't hurt them and helps everyone else, and takes immediate action because it is illegal.
Interesting
Those scans of the book aren't even illegal, it's no different than taking a picture of any copyrighted art and posting it somewhere. Sure, they can request it be taken down because they own the rights to it but the scans are by no means illegal in any way, shape, or form. That'd be like taking a picture of the Mona Lisa, posting it to Instagram or Facebook and the cops kicking your door down to make you delete it lol
@@saucymongoose7246 i was going to say the same thing
It's a shame they don't really see stopping mass subway molestation as the right thing to do if what I've heard is to be believed
That’s an aspect of Japanese culture that needs to die.
Copyright law has been outdated ever since the internet became a thing and saying its in the companies right doesnt change shit. Prohibition gave cops the right to arrest you over alcohol, doesnt mean it was ok. By the way Nintendo is still saying on their piracy legal page that emulators are illegal when Sony already lost that case during the PS1.
My favorite tidbit about their emulation argument is that they literally sell people emulators to play their old games lmao, 3D Allstars isn't a group of ports, those three titles are all being emulated! Same with NSO! Yet people can't see past their bold faced lies
@@chrismdb5686 They claim emulating without permission is illegal (which it isn't), so their legal page claims that you, as a person who don't represent Nintendo, have no permission from them to emulate on your own ... unless you pay them first, then you get to use their own emulator.
It is the same as someone saying "it is illegal to just sneak into the cinema" and then complain that they sell tickets.
So emulation isn't illegal, you just need to get your hands on legal copies of the games you play.
@@Liggliluff Well aware, I dump my own games and play em on PC
Recently Nintendo took down a UA-cam video featuring the demo versions of the battle music from the Splatoon 2 test fire. Because this music is from a build of the game that is no longer playable these videos were the only way you could access the songs. It’s also HIGHLY unlikely that Nintendo will ever officially release this music. So yeah, that made me mad
Sadly, Nintendo is just so tondeaf about a lot of things, and this is just one of those things that I don't see changing anytime soon.
Nintendo or a bunch of hypocrites.I know people are gonna accuse me of being a 10 year old but the biggest Offense Nintendo copyright. Power is when they sent a cease and assist law letter to Super Mario Logan.He made puppet parody videos with Mario that were like PG13 or so.And people went on a big rant about how it's wrong to use family friendly characters to make an adult parodies but Nintendo literally did Co branding with robot chicken. Robot chicken does the same thing as them but when supermariologan does it they're evil or whatever but when robot chicken does it it's fine and they endorsed it and they want to work with them for e3 even though robot chicken is even raunchier than Super Mario Logan.
I remember those
Man I remember when someone made a Mega Man x Street Fighter crossover. Capcom was actually REALLY COOL about that which is fascinating to this day cos I would have thought they would have been jerks about it and asked for it to be taken down...
NOPE!
They did the opposite and I think they hosted it IIRC correctly. Kind of fascinating that they looked at a fan game and was like
"Yup...you can do that with no problem!"
Heck if I remember right there are like 1000s of Mega Man Fan games that have had levels/bosses used in MAGMML contests (I know about literally NONE of the fan games honestly).
The reason why I bring up CAPCOM is because it seems like they are more..."in tune" with their community than Nintendo is for some reason....which is fascinating considering that Nintendo for the longest time was like the legit King of first and third parties and having grown up with them as a gamer (I'm 40 now and started with gaming with Nintendo at the age of 5) its gotten to the point where we have to ask
"What is legit WRONG with them?"
Thats because Capcom had two brain cells to rub together at the time and realized that "hmmmmm, this LABOR OF LOVE that DOESNT hurt us or our brands is really making the rounds compared to most fangames out there...in fact, all of these labors of love are cool...but lets go ahead and sponsor this one in particular to seal our opinion on the matter"
Capcom, at LEAST back then, understood common sense and wasnt getting rammed with greed at that point in time.
Not only that, Capcom actually helped the fangame developer finish it.
At least you brought up Capcom. I love Sega and all but people are making them out to be the only good video game company out there.
@@spongeman3090 Well no one's saying they're a "good video game company", that's going a bit far. They're not, none of them are, they're grotty corporations. What was being talked about is their practices regarding fan works specifically, and Sega are one of the most popularly well known for that.
@@stopmikeandjim3196 Did they?! That's actually pretty dope. I knew they hosted the game but I wasn't aware of that part. That's pretty dope actually
4:34 One very LARGE IP that was almost lost due to negligence that actually comes to mind was in fact, Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer.
In 2001, GoodTimes Entertainment, an animation company that actually at one point had a legal license to use Rudolph, found a loophole in the Rudolph Company's copyright and trademark, allowing them to use the character and the established Rankin-Bass setting without legal trouble. This ended up causing a huge headache for the company in which other companies began to use the characters or it's trademarked themes without permission because of that loophole.
The Rudolph Company had to completely rewrite and get their copyright reapproved, wasting several millions of dollars to protect their IP.
This of course, is a bit different and doesn't really prove or disprove anything going on with Nintendo's side of rabid Copyright protection, but it is something to note.
Completely irrelevant, and the issue at hand is actually that of trademark. This has nothing to do with their copyright on the Mario Bros. IP
AFAIK the "Nintendo has to sue to protect their IP" applies more to trademark than copyright. If someone created a cooking game called "Mario Pizza" then that would be something Nintendo would have to sue over to protect their trademarks (hence why Bethesda sued that dev who tried to name their game Scrolls). Not a lawyer though so take my take with a grain of salt as I could be wrong.
"Bethesda sued that dev who tried to name their game Scrolls"
_"That dev"_ is called Mojang. If the Minecraft people farted and it smelled the same as Todd Howard's butt vapors, Todd should _still_ sue.
@@deadmetalbr Kind of a gross (in both senses) mischaracterization of that case, if I'm not mistaken. Mojang's overzealous lawyers tried to trademark the word "Scrolls" not just for video games, but for every conceivable medium and product category. Beth/Zenimax's lawyers, in turn, overzealously defended their much more conservative "Elder Scrolls" video game trademark. The lawyers on both sides said some dumb things, before reaching a very reasonable settlement in which Mojang kept the name Scrolls but didn't trademark it.
Nintendo will lose the Mario IP because someone printed "their" guide book, guidebooks for every game are everywhere in the internet and no one lost their IP over it, it's a reprint of a Nintendo Guidebook made for Nintendo game, the person reprinting it does not claim ownership in anyway if they started to sell the guide for money then it's a copyright issue. So all in all the reprint of the guide would not have hurt Nintendo or their IPs in anyway possible.
@@gogglebrains Kinda awkward considering they're both under Microsoft now.
"no there's nothing more important than you having a good day" awwwwwwww my heart
"Yeah... this is normal."
- Me, someone who has bore witness to Nintendo's litigation antics since the 80s.
Knowing Nintendo, they take the Gold in the Pettylympics
Pettylympics... That's a new one.
Lmao
man I'm sick of all of these takedowns for no reason
Good reason*
@@jakedematteo2172 stop commenting bullshit on these comments, you're not funny.
@@jakedematteo2172 howdy. How’s your day been? Clearly it’s not been good.
@@Lethaltail what’s your problem?
Jake DeMatteo because Nintendo has absolutely no reason to take down small things
Pettiest Nintendo Takedown a a very high bar to cross
The thing is, it really is feasible for them to put up everything they've ever done, for sale, all at once, all the time.
"But muh profits! Muh constantly reselling the same shit over and over as a subscription!"
That's the hilarious thing. They could easily, easily do it. They are literally choosing to withhold stuff and be dickheads about it, because you know they want to be as scummy as possible. And they don't like people fighting against that with emulation. Well too bad lol, can't stop the Internet and no one ever has. It's always surviving somewhere for those who know where to look.
@@DaWrecka they took the Adobe route and now it’s always morally correct to pirate their games!
Feasible, but not... easy, or fast. Getting, say, a Gamecube game working on Switch as well as it worked on Gamecube would have some difficulties, and while I am not truly aware of them, emulation is a complicated and sometimes difficult task. Though the Gamecube is likely much easier to emulate than the PS2- which as far as I am aware is a bit of a _troublemaker_ for emulation.
@@StarshadowMelody They already emulated Gamecube AND the Wii on Switch lol
I just wanna listen to Nintendo Music without constantly living in fear that I’ll wake up to all of it being eradicated once again with no alternative to listen to it conveniently because Nintendo refuses to make their stuff readily available outside of the confines of a game :(
Meanwhile Nintendo strikes down DeoxysPrime for having Nintendo music on his channel.
CBS is taking down Angry Joe's videos EVERY TIME they talk negatively about the Halo TV series so honestly I'm not surprised. UA-cam does nothing to punish the big boys and until Susan does something, this'll just keep happening.
Can we start a coup at the UA-cam offices? YouCoup?
@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 ohhhhhhhhhhhh YESSS
@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 Yes you can, as there is enough people upset. If you could organize enough people to walk into the officers where Susan is and avoid hurting the smaller people you could create change.
The enemy is at the top and uses the others under them as scapegoats including on your actions.
If you treat them better then Susan does while focusing on those causing problems this normally causes almost everyone to unite against the issue or people causing the issue. Make sure you get the names above Susan if you can though.
This is similar to stuff like the Boston Tea Party or French Revolution, where you target the problem and avoid hurting non-problems creating a tidal wave. This tidal wave brings change and fixes the issue.
@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 no. We need something much more grand. We need to completely replace the whole law system. And update it to the modern stage. Whilst making it very clear that those who are in the financial elite and executive positions will be held to a much higher requirement of professionalism, legality and morality than anyone else. Basically, if you're a ceo that is covering up sexual assault cases, you're getting it far worse than an employee who actually performed the action. Because by hiding it, you would be allowing for many many more to take place. And that should be cumulative. And, the moment a bribe is attempted, we would take that bribe, multiply its value by twenty, then make that a required payout across all those who were harmed by the refusal to take action, and attempts to bury the truth. And, with each confirmed case that is covered up, an additional year of jail time is added. And there will be no bail. Or bond. We will bleed you dry of your money and put that money to those that you let be abused, be raped, and be utterly tortured. And to make sure you arent coming back, you will be put onto a sex offender registry as a menace to society, and labeled as a psychopath. Because a psycho is the kind of person who will put the bottom line and millions of dollars over ending sexual assault, corruption, likely SUICIDES, and generally causing the utter deaths of workers by at best willful ignorance, and at worst, intentional self destruction to maximize the cult known as shareholders.
Nintendo will just put out another Mario game and everyone will forgive them.
And then the cycle will repeat itself again.
Including you ;)
When you put it that way, they just got a lot of free press _and_ increased demand for an IP they own, all with no downside.
This _was_ the best move Nintendo could have made!
@@BBWahoo Its sad how there are some really talented people who are capable of making quality games, but their companies are so greedy that they give Mr Krabs a run for his money.
Personally I've quit buying Nintendo products (games or hardware) over the last year because I'm fed up with their behavior. And that's coming from somebody who's been been with them since 1987.
Wow, those aren't models from the game, those are models that someone built in the real world and took photos of!
I am really interested in this guide just for that art! That's incredible!
I'm surprised Nintendo didn't allow this. Like genuinely. Scan gets popular, it spread to other countries, more audiences are aware it's out there, more people looking to buy the book. Especially after 26 years, it could've spawned another minor bubble of popularity, and gives them a reason to make a good re-print that people would be looking for...but what do I know?
They don’t want to pay the artist any more money
@@zwillscoopchannel9689 we all know this is the real reason... sadly
4:30 In Germany there are really many who have lost their brand because they did not protect it well enough or was no longer worthy of protection, e.g. tempo or tesa. Lego keeps suing people who say other bricks are also Lego, because otherwise they could lose the Lego brand
That's more so because you immediately think of those brands when you think of a generic tissue or generic taperolls, the product from that brand lost all meaning.
But in what world would you not associate Mario with Nintendo?
I don’t know how he said it exactly, but EmpLemon put it perfectly. “Nintendo is such a weird company, because they can produce masterpiece games that everyone loves and as far as I can tell treat their employees fine. But when it comes to things every company can do fine, they fail miserably”
Game preservation, emulation, Online services, the most obvious business decisions ever, they’re such a weird company
Except the creator of Kirby and smash
Turns out they don't treat their employees well! Some employees just filed a lawsuit for antilabor practices.
@@isaac10231 ah. Well the EmpLemon video came out around a year ago so that stuff hadn’t come out. I’d recommend watching it it’s really interesting
Sacrifices to the Church of Nintendo? That’s a good one
@@ThomastheDankEngine8900 yup
There are no lowest lows with Nintendo.
Nintendo would sue a literal toddler for saying the word Mario if they so pleased, let's be honest.
Wow somebody is in a bad mood
They’d sue people for being named Mario or Luigi.
Very true
ok now yall just mad lol, tho it does suck, this doesn't really make sense for them to do
@@jakedematteo2172
Dude, don’t waste your time. You’re going around to every comment that’s gained traction and tried to make them feel like the bad guy and act like Nintendo is some angel.
Just stop. Accept that you’re wrong, and move onto things that won’t make you feel butthurt.
What I think was the pettiest (or just plain disrespectful) takedown was the incident with the fan-made, non-profit JoyCon Boyz joy-con covers which were a tribute to Etika.
not only were they non-profit but the proceeds were going to a suicide prevention charity (if memory serves). Etika loved Nintendo, but they did him and his community so dirty with that takedown.
oh yeah, and the whole #SaveMelee incident too, that was outrageous.
Honestly, I think this situation just highlights once again how absolutely ridiculous current copyright laws are.
After 25+ years of not doing anything with a copyrighted piece, said copyright should just expire. Of course powerful media companies do everything they can in order to prevent the expiration of copyright altogether.
I think of this like the Sony Spider-Man situation. Sony has a contract that forces them to release at least one Spider-Man movie every five years, otherwise their movie rights expire. As a result, they make an active effort regularly releasing new movies, which ultimately just means more money fot them and more Spider-Man movies for fans. Everyone wins.
In a similar vein, I think copyright should expire after, let's say, 10 years of non-usage. That would force companies to actually do something with all of their copyrighted stuff, or risk letting it go to public domain. A law like this would immediately take the wind out of Nintendo's drip-feed retro release tactics as well. They would HAVE to make all of their games available to people, otherwise they would lose the copyright.
Or just, you know, copyright could expire after a reasonable 30 or so years, and trademarks could work like they already currently do and you need to protect them.
"Wow! Seeing that old scan uploaded on the internet has satiated my otherwise lifelong appetite for Nintendo products and I will never buy one again." -Literally nobody ever
Hardly anyone knew about the existence of this guide
So, is there a particular reason NOBODY seems willing to fight Nintendo on this stuff? Beyond monetary reasons I mean? Is everyone deathly afraid of setting precedent in Nintendo's favor or something? Because I feel like it wouldn't be that hard to win this kind of case, at least in the US, and in particular because this seems like pretty straightforward preservation and not a ploy to make profit.
Seriously, could you imagine such a case actually going to court and coming back with a win for the little guy? Finally, FINALLY, kneecapping Nintendo so they can't do as much of this stuff anymore? Is that just a pipedream? Am I crazy? What's the deal with this?
The reason, as always, is Money. It wouldn't be hard to win except for the common strategy of the big company just dragging the case out until the little guy runs out of cash and gives up
Well besides finances, Nintendo is a Japanese company so that in and of itself throws a monkey wrench in an international case involving preservation or even fan-games.
Everyone wants to make them stfu, we all hate that they can casually C&D whoever they want with no recourse, the issue is that litigation is extremely expensive and time consuming. When a company as large as the Big N is going against you in a court of law you need to have really good lawyers on your side because you can guarantee that they'll be packing the best money can buy. The reality is that unless consumers band together in some sort of massive class action suit (something not possible with regards to any of these takedowns), people just lack the resources to fight back.
To put things in perspective, Nintendo *still* hasn't come under fire for the shoddy production of Joycons for the Switch after five years on the market with no change in quality.
Why exactly would that be a problem though? If the US says it is legal to host images and such in the US for the purposes of preservation what could any company from Japan actually do about it besides whine and/or complain?
@@Kohryujin Easy, they C&D you according to Japanese laws and try to drag you into a court battle that lasts years until you run out of money and walk away, in which case the C&D is still on the table.
Wait, did Arlo just reference Sonic Robo Blast 2 in a video? That's amazing!
Nintendo's really good at hitting new lows
Nintendo really is becoming the video game version of Disney, which scares me.
At least they don't seem interested in eating the competition, unlike Microsoft and the like? Faint praise...
@@ghostcassette6012 No, I meant them being super absurdly protective of their properties. Disney was none for being protective of their properties to the point of screwing over the public domain.
They already are…
Nintendo love to lower the bar for this kind of thing, and they already set their own very unique standards. It's a shame.
I'm gonna be honest, I know we all thought "Nintendo can't stoop lower" when they took down the Melee tournament. Because it's a 20+ year old game where players have to find an alternative method of playing it, especially in a day and age where we're trying to prevent a disease from going rampant. Emphasis on trying.
We tried to be civil people and Nintendo took it down because they honestly really despise Smash players. They just do.
But folks, this is even lower than that. This is no longer about money, no longer about copyright, no longer about whom owns what. I genuinely think Nintendo is just going after anything that brings happiness to people.
If it's not approved by Nintendo, it will be shut down. No questions asked.
It is their ip, and if you don't like it, don't play it. whining accomplished nothing.
@@andyblanton6570 But that's not the point. The point isn't to whine or boycott their creations. The point is to bring awareness. It's almost like they're aiming to get rid of the communities they created.
And if no one "whines" about it, how is anyone going to know? If it ticks you the wrong way, why not speak up about it?
You can't just say "it's their ip" cuz no one's arguing that. That's not taking into count the full picture here. If it was as clear as black and white, you speak nothing but the truth with this comment, but it's just not that simple. These pointless acts will eventually add up.
@@CrimsoniteSP if it isn't about whining and boycotting, what is the raising awareness even good for?
@@andyblanton6570 Company practices. Like how EA, Ubisoft and Blizzard/Activision have had their reputations completely demolished. It drastically reduced their profits from their hardcore fanbases and leaves a bad impression.
Nintendo isn't in that bad bunch yet, but they are getting closer and closer with each passing day. With how Nintendo is running their company right now, it's really going to kill the passion of their fanbases. It'll most likely lead people to just leave Nintendo products altogether.
@@andyblanton6570 “don’t whine”
While he whines about someone criticizing Daddy Nintendo.
I'm thinking it might be to preserve Nintendo's mission to make everything a collectible so people buy their product quicker.
Of course you can make the case that laws are often put in place for a reason. And thats probably the case for copyright too.
But then most of them are formulated kinda broad to cover a bigger area that also allows for collateral damage.
And Nintendo using the copyright looks like the equivalent of a person calling the cops on a 5 year old trying to get the ball off of your lawn, when technically being safe from intruders is important.
this would never happen in a million years, but I've always felt that, if the media hasn't been available to purchase/stream/otherwise experience from the company that made it for X number of years, they shouldn't be allowed to issue take-downs if the person posting it isn't making any money off of it. either give us a way to pay you for your content, or let people share it around for free
They should, but it's dumb to bitch and moan about what is effectively nothing. Why does anyone care about this book people will flip through once and then never look at again?
There is a way. It's called, completely overturn and replace everyone in the seats of law. Everyone. Get our generation in. The nostalgia kids. Those who put those beneath us as our true leaders. The people come over the elite. And we will make sure the elite are the ones who will have to face hell.
Great idea but this would probably just lead to companies constantly rereleasing old shit rather than making new stuff so they don’t lose it
@@hamburger8682 Which means either a Nintendo back catalogue in modern day that is more filled out and perhaos expressly based on what things people are most passionatw about preserving or Nintendo becoming so rerelease obsessed they restrict their ability to offer enough new to rake i the cash the higher ups demand.
A damned if they do damned if they don't is better than a damn they'll damn you no matter what.
@@hamburger8682 oh yeah it's obviously not perfect, but it's never going to happen so it doesn't matter lmao
I would hope that the profits from rerererereleasing EVERYTHING EVER would ultimately be small enough that they'd still put out new things. like genuinely, would the profits from all these old obscure games (and other things like the japan-exclusive guide talked about in the video) that hardly anyone gives a shit about be worth enough to devote time to that /instead/ of putting out new games? is it financially worth it for companies to preserve and make available every single bit of their obscure older media, or is it just easier to let the few people who care about certain things pass it around for free?
I would also hope that knowing they'd have to let people share it for free if they stop making it available for too long would have companies more seriously considering preservation from the start for new content, rather than retroactively trying to find a way to bring it back. if games are always made available on an everlasting service, they'd never have to begrudgingly let people share it for free
but again, never going to happen so who cares
Okay, I took a copyright/trademark class a few years ago now, and I have a similar yet different argument: any company has to fight any situation where their company’s copyright/trademark is infringed on because if they don’t, it sets the precedent that it was okay to do, and if it does happen again in the future with something more significant, they could lose THAT battle. It’s stupid, it’s idiotic, I hate it…but I think that’s what’s happening here. What Nintendo needs to do is start releasing things into the public domain, especially strategy guides and magazines they LITERALLY have no way of making money off of anymore.
Disney does this all the time. Preschools aren’t allowed to paint MICKEY FREAKING MOUSE on their walls. Disney has SUED PRESCHOOLS.
Basically same idea with art: if you don't protect your artwork, you cannot win court cases when artist x makes an imitation for profit. This is why original paintings are worth millions: because you need authorization to copy them. This costs money, which adds value to the original artwork.
If Nintendo actually crunched down all the fanart and whatnot floating around on the internet, their products would skyrocket in value.
Which is worse? Nintendo taking down a strategy guide from 30 years ago, or Quantum tv abusing copyright to take down criticism of him and UA-cam enabling him?
You may hate the idea, but there is precedence for losing a copyright for not enforcing every applicable instance of infringement. Example: When Anheuser-Busch failed to protest to DuBois Brewing Company’s use of “Budweiser” for an extended period of time (1905-1940), the court ultimately found that the junior user could not be prevented from using the term in connection with their beer. Anheuser-Busch, Inc. v. Du Bois Brewing Co., 175 F.2d 370 (3rd Cir. 1949)
Now, that particular case was one that involved money, but in today's society anyone truly can be a competitor to the Nintendo Corporation. Art Assets as NFTs, anyone? By having the image freely distributed, the Nintendo Corp. does face the threat that someone may try to capitalize on their work without their consent.
Now, for your second argument: The Nintendo Corporation's possibility of re-releasing old content. I point you to the SNES emulator on the Nintendo e-Shop. It is a possibility that one day we'll wake up to the Nintendo Corp. announcing a release of the N-64 emulator in their e-Shop.
It's the artwork in the books that's copyrighted. They also have manuals, players guides, and other items like that on their site for download. Good example? The Earthbound Players Guide was recently out it like that. Some of them are also available for coins. In some cases. not defending the artwork means that it can be repurposed if not defended. Because copyright rules change nearly monthly.
The way I see it. Nintendo isn't one big hive mind. It's a large group of people each with their different morals and ideals. So with this example all of Nintendo probably didn't Unanimously agree to take this down. There's probably just one executive at Nintendo that's just really petty and is personally responsible for all of these take downs. Cause most of Nintendo probably doesn't care about this stuff. But all takes is just one a-hole with enough power to ruin an entire fan project.
It's their legal team, most likely
that's a given. When people say a company is bad, they're talking about the people making the bad choices, not the entire team (unless the entire team IS making bad choices)
The thing with the law (or courts, mainly) is that they tend to work based on precedent.
If you let official Nintendo products being published by some random dude, then you're opening yourself for others to have a chance to have legal rights to publish Nintendo products. If the argument is "yeah but it's really old", then you set a precedent that publishing really old products is okay.
If lawyers are aggressively protecting a company's asset is most likely due that this sort of thing was a problem before and the law changed with that requirement in mind.
It isn't that they would LOSE their copyright if they didn't act on it, it is that they need to keep precedent. If it was provable that they knew about something like this and DIDN'T take action, then there would be precedent for a lawyer defending someone who, say, hosted a ROM site and received money for downloads, to say that Nintendo is picking and choosing their legal battles. That precedent can be very powerful for the defense, and Nintendo can't take that risk.
Regarding your question about "show me any example", there are hundreds of thousands of similar cases, and they're all stored for free in GREAT detail in the US PACER Database. It's just that when a flea market seller rips off the Head & Shoulders logo, it doesn't blow up online inside of the gaming community. Regarding losing copyright, the only cases of that are things like Sony making Fantastic Four (the two bad movies) just to not lose their license from Marvel. In that case, however, that was in the T&C of the agreement with Marvel that they could retain the license as long as they kept it active.
I love you Arlo, and you're certainly not the only one, but these Nintendo takedown videos/articles/etc. where people get mad about Nintendo protecting their IP...I mean, I get it, you can be frustrated or whatever, but turning it into a broad conversation is just an exercise in proliferating negativity online. Nothing will change because there's no reason to, and the vast majority of people talking about it have no idea what they're talking about. Every conversation on this topic just ends up the same way: Someone with actual legal knowledge will explain why it is a non-issue, and then a bunch of kids blow up about how entitled they are and how NIntendo is an evil corporation that hates everyone. It's just not productive in any way and only creates more negativity online.
I agree with your correction about copyright law.
To your second point, however-laws aren't the same as morals, so Nintendo doing this legally doesn't mean it can't be criticized morally.
At this point Nintendo would have to do something drastic to lower my overall opinion of them anymore than it already has. They make good games and that’s about all I can give them.
They are a game company, what else do you expect?
@@guyfierimtwi shush
@@heehoostockdude2338 what else do you expect them to do? to make bad movies?
@@wool578 Isnt that what the upcoming mario movie is gonna be?
I'm kidding
even that is pretty debatable depending on which games your looking at, the best recent nintendo games (last couple years) have been from outside studios, ie: Kirby (HAL) and Metroid (MercurySteam)
ofc best is subjective, but I don't know who would argue something like the recent mario sports games or recent mario party games are better when all have released lacking content
Nobody encourages piracy more than Nintendo!
If only they just let their games, books, merch, items, etc. be available-- then we wouldn't have to keep finding our own alternatives.
I'm a 3DS game collector who lives outside of the US, Japan, EU (a.k.a. the only places that really get all the official releases of game stuff). The used games market in my country is huge, and none of the money I get from finding official copies of games secondhand goes to Nintendo anyway.
Tons of rare stuff is nowhere to be found, no matter how much I wait. It's an existential question of waiting for it arrive officially, or just finding another way to get it.
I mean they did have the eshop, still do for a year.
@@tomico9154 Yes, but I collect physical games~
i think one of Sans' from undertale quotes fit Nintendo very nicely
"no matter what you'll just keep going
not out of any desire for good or evil
but just because you think you can..
..and because you "can", you "have to""
"Do you think sales would be affected by a scan of an old guide book?"
Yes. They would probably be increased as more sm64 fans are created by the healthy community that still loves the game.
Honestly everything to do with how Nintendo and other companies keep an iron clasp on IPs and created media that they never use again goes to show that the entire copyright system needs to change. It's nonsense that one's freedom of expression and creativity can be completely obliterated because a company own the rights to and/or made what that creativity used literally decades ago.
I worked in an aerospace facility for about 10 years....you’d be surprised how something that seems totally stupid and non important...is treated incredibly seriously by big corporations. I’ve witnessed some of the dumbest decisions I’ve ever seen to save pennies, and lawsuits lol.
"Most Importa- Nono- There's nothing more important than you having a good day."
Wholesome Arlo
It's annoying that the news is simply 'Nintendo made sure the scans were taken down'. Like, does the news specify any reasons? Have Nintendo made them? Are Nintendo actually going to reprint this guide? Are they going to release Mother 3? Okay went off tangent there, but the lack of reason hurts them more here, while they think that they are completely in the right.
Nintendo has really gone down hill in the past few years. The Switch and Mario are so blandly corporate now. No love or passion goes into any of this anymore.
Remember:
The only reason why we as fans haven't TRULY stood up to Nintendo is because we think someone else will.
Thing are only going to change if YOU as an individual actually stand up and do what you think is right, instead waiting for someone else to do it.
Stand up for what? Nothing to stand up for.
Have you seen EmpLeons video on Nintendo Fans its awesome! It proves that there are a lot of flaws with Nintendo and Fans need to quit defending a company they aren't your friend they make money.
Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not- Dr. Seuss
@@jakedematteo2172 so many things. Their ruthless takedowns, their ignorance on the joy-con drift, their crappy online system.
Remember : for as nice as they seem at first, one thing becomes very clear. They are NOT your friend.
@@tablettablet3028 takedowns are fine, it’s their media and people are unjustifiably pirating it. Many times they choose not to take it down for preservation’s sake, hence why takedowns are extremely rare.
Ignorance on joycon drift? They legally cannot speak about that, it’s easy to understand. Also, they fixed in July 2021 with new joycons.
Crappy online? They updated it and are consistently performing maintenance on their old games to switch them to their new servers. Ever wonder why nobody has complained about bad online in new games recently? They updated it, that’s why.
Ok, that’s just generic banter. Think what you want but they care about their fans, and that’s enough.
Over an out-of-print guidebook that was never localized though? Hearing about this the same morning Splatoon 3’s release was finally dropped (September 9th), and only a couple days after Xenoblade 3’s new release date was revealed (along with the alleged case they’ll have with an overworked employee), this has been one of the most interesting weeks for Nintendo in awhile.
The fackt that copiright extends for longer that 20 years is so absurd!
At least they're leaving SMG4 alone. Lord knows the riots that would erupt if SMG4 is shut down.
Reminder that Nintendo sold pirated games for their Wii Virtual Console. It was found out, that Super Mario Bros contained additional headers that were only made to make a game run on bootleg emulators prior
And what about in 2021 when Nintendo used the "copyright strike" against a 3D modelling artist asking him to remove from Patreon HIS interpretation of what Bowser’s penis would look like? It's almost bad as WB calming ownership of Meatcanyon's parody of Bugs Bunny, ironically stating Bugs is canonically a struggling r*pist. This is just weird, man...
yeah and that false copyright stike as us law say you cna draw what the fucvk you want no oen cna sopt you or coyp right you ntiendo it be ruel in cort ntiedno dotn havw damn say in emtte rif what you draw they cant take it dowen
_Trade-marks_ are lost if anyone can prove you didn't fight anything you reasonably should have know about.
I'm pretty sure _Copyright_ is a discretionary thing.
Meanwhile, a local noontime variety show here in the Philippines (Eat Bulaga) uses a remix of the Super Mario World overworld theme as the theme song for one of its segments.
They also use sound effects from Metal Gear Solid and Resident Evil.
I don't doubt one bit that Arlo and President Furokawa go wayyy back.
This is why people have no remorse when it comes to pirating their games.
I'm not really condoning piracy but if you ever want to play an old Nintendo game, your options are pirating it or buy it second-hand and overpriced.
Nintendo sucks at that, considering that the switch could be one of their best-selling consoles down the line, and some of those switch users are actually getting to know Nintendo for the first time. They could be raking in the big bucks with a good virtual console. And they've chosen not to.
With this, they're not gonna print that book anymore, so the book will go the way of the old Nintendo game: find it online, or overpriced. I'm not saying they should keep reprinting all those guides and books all the time, but they should be happy that people care so much for their games that they'll go to great lengths to document those games and all the stuff they've made about that game.
One thing I rant about often is geolocking. A major media company posts a trailer or promo on Twitter, but I can't watch it because I'm in Canada. I'm being prevented from watching a literal advertisement because I'm on the wrong side of an imaginary line. The reason I bring it up is that I think the same thing is at the root of the idiocy being discussed in this video. The people who make these decisions are listening to lawyers that are telling them that the highest practical degree of paranoia is just the right level of "protection", even though nobody has ever been able to explain using real words how it protects anything.
Nintendo vs Netflix on who can dig their own grave the fastest by either further-alienating or further pissing-off their user-base.
*A Nintendo Fan uses a guidebook*
Nintendo:"Your banned!"
I love Nintendo but seriously there flaws show a lot this is the most Nintendo thing ever! Nintendo needs to quit taking down emulation and fan games!
nintendo is not eliminating the emulation, if so there would be no nes classic mini, snes mini or switch online and in general fan games are usually bad
@@arturtherufian3953 Incredible! Every word of that was wrong
@@ghostcassette6012 you just don't want to hear the truth, it's just business, as consumers we shouldn't get into these problems
@@FTChomp9980 ok everything was fine until you said you want money from it. its fine if its a donation before the game is done but if its to pay for a game using *another company's IP* youre in the wrong and should be expecting a cease and desist letter soon
@@FTChomp9980 hahahhaahahha just no, damn you want to make money with their games??? not to defend nintendo but you are living proof of why nintendo does these things
There has been a campaign to add Brazilian Portuguese and Portuguese Portugal in pokemon scarlet and violet since Nintendo never had given those language options on any of their games, there were a bunch of people post on social media the #scarletvioletptbr to get attention to Nintendo which had not responded to all messages that people were sending. Until they finally responded saying that the game will not have any additional language options aside like Portuguese,they are one of the richest gaming companies in the world and yet they can't get people to translate their game to another language like Brazilian Portuguese?
I'm disappointed 😞
What's worse is that it is feasible for them to just put it out and sell it. Old guides can be sold as pdf's or ebooks through their website and old games as roms. They already have the server infrastructure and the bandwidth to handle it, they just need one guy to put in a few hours to scan a copy. And while that may not sound feasible considering how much old content their is, releasing one old guide a week is not too much to ask and very little for them to do. Taking requests by vote wouldn't be unfeasible either, and all of the old games as roms could be done instantly as they just need to download them and then done.
I love Nintendo but I wish they'd embrace their fans more, rather than tear them down ):
I know right?
They always embrace their fans
@@jakedematteo2172 Either trolling or delusional. They make good games, sure. They do some good things for their fans, sure. But to say they ALWAYS embrace their fans is just wrong. No other game company goes as far to shut down their fans than Nintendo.
@@PsQueak2 they don’t really shut down that much though.
Wouldn’t it be protected by fair use because it’s preservational?
Laws don't matter if they have the money to drag out a court case over it and the one dude doesn't
@@ghostcassette6012 true
So in regards to the trademark use it or lose it mentality. It's conflated with copyright a lot. No, you don't need to sue copyright infringements in order to keep your copyright going strong. It's trademarks that need to be contested if others are encroaching or copying your trademark too much.
And the suing lest it becomes a pejorative for a broader thing does happen. Like Hoover Vacuums becoming synonymous with all vacuums and not being able to sue entities who called their vacuums hoovers anymore. It got a point where people thought hoover was just another word for a vacuum. So the trademark was weakened from inaction for so long. It's like if every Pokemon type game called their versions of catchable mons pocket monsters. Gamefreak would lose the ability to sue if they waited for their product to become a global name encompassing the entire genre.
Hopefully this clears things up for people.
The main issue here is that, this in NO WAY impacts Nintendo. It was their OWN GUIDE. And the reason for it being uploaded was for preservation sake. It would be different if they were trying to make money off of it, and Nintendo didn’t want them profiting off of an IP/their own guides, but that’s not the case. And let’s not act like Nintendo is ever going to reprint or reissue these guides in any official capacity, so that that’s why they didn’t want to have it online for free. It’s just petty.