Chapters 00:00 The Editing Style of Thelma Schoonmaker 00:51 Roughness & "Bad" Cuts 02:55 Shaping the Concept 04:04 Prioritizing Actor Performance 07:02 "Deadly Pauses" 08:16 Film Editing Tips for Editors
Scorsese makes shallow meaningless films that are stylistic but lack a style, void of any substance. Scorsese makes the Cohen emptyheads seem like brilliant directors. I like Scorsese's public persona but his movies are mainly acclaimed by pretentious pseudo intellectuals that lack any sense of taste.
The eyebrow thing is soo amazing, I never thought about actors moving their eyebrows to convey emotions before as fake. Whenever someone does it now, it's gonna ruin the movie experience for me now LUL.
I guess Thelma & Martin means the eyes itself. Pointing at eyebrows as the cue like blinking or keep it open cuz actors does express their feelings through their eyes Y’know ?
I love the way she edits, it really pulls you in to the story as well as the characters without trying to be too glossy looking which really suits the gritty nature of some of these films, with the bigger blockbuster she keeps it still very personal and beautiful in the edit, but on a bigger scale.
I have to disagree. Her pacing is good but when it comes to dialogue scenes her editing is a mess. Most of the time the actor talking isn’t even moving his mouth. The Jonah hill intro in wolf of Wall Street, the assassination attempt in Irishman, the famous “how am I funny?” Scene in Goodfellas. Pay attention to the editing between dialogue in those scenes and you’ll see all the editing mistakes. She lacks details
As a filmmaker, I think it's important to find that one special editor, who knows what you want and can really get in your head. You guys become as one, like Thelma Schoonmaker & Martin Scorsese - Great Video.
She play's a crucial role in what makes a Scorsese film special, from the unorthodox cuts to the musical. It is true what she says "An editor must have a strong sense of discipline." Thanks again Studiobinder for this wonderful episode!
8:00 - “So normally you would have cut that scene faster. But the richness of the acting - it was our job to make sure that we honored that, and that we got the absolute best out of it.” That’s exactly how they have to do these types of things on the stage in theatre. Many film actors do/got their start in theatre, so it’s nice to see some editors recognize that sometimes sustaining a shot is more effective than expediency.
Thelma Schoonmaker has mastered the concept of knowing when to break the rules. In this case, of editing. There is always so much to be inspired by in a StudioBinder video. Thank you so much, StudioBinder. You keep my thoughts fresh with new ideas and inspiration. Cheers.
Don't know when I read that Martin Scorsese AND Thelma Schoonmaker worked on the editing of WOODSTOCK. Wikipedia lists 6 names as editors. Was a mountain of material, of course. My magic moment in this documentary comes near the end: SANTANA with "Soul Sacrifice". I think it is one of the clips that define the very PEAK in the art of editing. With split screen technique we see the interactions between the musicians and of the band with their audience often simultaneously, it's rhythm, emotion, joy, togetherness, melody, smiles, dancing, a little madness and very much heart! I do not know for sure, but I would BET that these minutes are the work of Thelma. Can someone please verify this? Greets from Munich - from a great fan!!!
Scorsese's earlier films, like Mean Streets & Taxi Driver, are brilliant, but when he was able to get Thelma to work on his films from Raging Bull onwards, you can tell the difference, & it is immensely clear. She deserves credit for at least 50% for his films being so good.
When I do jump cuts, they are noticed easily. When they do, it flows very well and are sometimes not noticed at all. Ahh well, I still need practice! And your video, which are really appreciated ;)
I think many casual film watcher (or even a more experienced one) doesn't even realize how much the editing can affect the feeling of the film. Many films could be saved by a skillful editor. Also lighting is another very important element of film making which affects us in more subconscious level, just like editing.
Scorsese in Masterclass: People think it's good editing if you can see it; good editing is something else too: where you don't see it. Thelma Schoonmaker: A lot of people think editing should be invisible, but we never felt that way. We always like to slap the audience in the face. ...?
Thelma Schoonmaker "You're Job is to do what's Right for the Movie." The Advice Lesson of the Mentor. The Director and Editor Partnership between Martin Scorsese and Thelma Schoonmaker is one of the Best and one of the Most Inspiring and Awesome.🎬 🎞 📽🏆🏆🏆
I really find editing intrigue. I don't manage to tell what difference an editor or other. But this is what i like, to learn how to appreciate it. I like editing and i always try to notice it. Here Schoonmaker shows how she makes Scorsese, Scorsese. She is really fantastic and i adore her and Scorsese. They are pure cinema and this is another great video.
I was shocked to learn she was the editor behind the atrocity "The Snowman". While watching, I thought how awful the editing was, only to realize it was edited by this legend 😳
In india ( Not only in india) the Covid-19 pandemic is still increasing... I think there maybe also dreamers like us near to death, take a 10 sec just for them!❤️
I always wondered why the obvious bad cut in Casino (from real to stunt double in the car explosion) and in the Wolf of Wallstreet in the scene that Jordan Belfort meets Donny at the restaurant (you hear two adlib tracks at one point in the conversation).. Anyone an idea? Or is that just plain and simple bad editing? i would love to know why two all time greats would let that get a pass
Might be a similar situation to The Irishman, but if there's something specific that's constantly repeated then it 's probably to get a certain reaction
In Casino, i think maybe they wanted to hint that Sam didnt really die. So that's why the cut to the stunt double is so apparent Thats the best reason i can think to cover up that😂
Just calling bad cuts art doesn't mean they are good cuts. It just means they couldn't figure out of to fix it and Thelma Schoonmaker admits that in this. If there are no standards then anything goes and nothing is bad or good, which makes no sense. There is a time and place for jarring cuts, but not all the time or when you can't find a solution to a problem.
It is such an amusing thing to witness how those charlatans make extremely poor editing choices most of the time, yet pretend they 'break the boundaries' and make 'artistically appropriate' decisions. And the funniest thing is that a viewer for some reason switches his or hers brain off and accepts this nonsense at face value.
Chapters
00:00 The Editing Style of Thelma Schoonmaker
00:51 Roughness & "Bad" Cuts
02:55 Shaping the Concept
04:04 Prioritizing Actor Performance
07:02 "Deadly Pauses"
08:16 Film Editing Tips for Editors
Thanks!💟
If you’re a “Scorsese fan” you’re really a “Scorsese/Schoonmaker fan”, she’s so integral to what makes a Scorsese film unique
Scorsese makes shallow meaningless films that are stylistic but lack a style, void of any substance. Scorsese makes the Cohen emptyheads seem like brilliant directors. I like Scorsese's public persona but his movies are mainly acclaimed by pretentious pseudo intellectuals that lack any sense of taste.
@@bobbvomm9437 This is probably the worst take of all time.
@@aero2311 agreed.
One of the best duos in cinema!
@@bobbvomm9437 that's bait
I think the filmmaker must trust the editor or edit his movie himself,Because the editor can make another movie
Yup, it's a close collaboration
I like the way you put it. Reminds me of Justice League basically being remade by way of different editing
Like Coens and their ‘editor’
@@ricimercury9490 Roderick Jaynes
Like they always say, there are 3 times a movie is told in the production process: one by scripting, 2 by acting and 3 in editing.
It's interesting to know that even a filmmaker like Scorsese sometimes has no better option than going along with a jump cut.
He doesn't seem to mind it either
only the editor knows directors weakness.
Hello
I hope there’s another series called “Editing Style” so that I could see how Lee Smith works his way down.
Stay tuned :)
Crazy that Thelma and Marty have been together as long as they have as creative partners! One of the great collaborations in Cinema History.
Perfect partnership
The eyebrow thing is soo amazing, I never thought about actors moving their eyebrows to convey emotions before as fake. Whenever someone does it now, it's gonna ruin the movie experience for me now LUL.
I just find it funny that Scorcese's thing is eyebrows.
I guess Thelma & Martin means the eyes itself. Pointing at eyebrows as the cue like blinking or keep it open cuz actors does express their feelings through their eyes Y’know ?
I don't think they mean that literally because even the actors in The Irishman play with their eyebrows a lot 😂
TOTALLY. To me that was literally pure gold.
😂 no eyebrows!
I love the way she edits, it really pulls you in to the story as well as the characters without trying to be too glossy looking which really suits the gritty nature of some of these films, with the bigger blockbuster she keeps it still very personal and beautiful in the edit, but on a bigger scale.
Just a great artist ❤
@@StudioBinder Yes definitely.
Thelma Schoonmaker is a filmmaking goddess when it comes to editing. When it comes to editing, she’s a pro.
No disagreements here :)
@@StudioBinder thank you
I have to disagree. Her pacing is good but when it comes to dialogue scenes her editing is a mess. Most of the time the actor talking isn’t even moving his mouth. The Jonah hill intro in wolf of Wall Street, the assassination attempt in Irishman, the famous “how am I funny?” Scene in Goodfellas. Pay attention to the editing between dialogue in those scenes and you’ll see all the editing mistakes. She lacks details
Editing means you can literally manipulate time
Yes That's the cinematograph
Cinematic magic!
the last sentence is all one needs to hear.. such a beautifully motivating line..
💖
As a filmmaker, I think it's important to find that one special editor, who knows what you want and can really get in your head. You guys become as one, like Thelma Schoonmaker & Martin Scorsese - Great Video.
She play's a crucial role in what makes a Scorsese film special, from the unorthodox cuts to the musical. It is true what she says "An editor must have a strong sense of discipline." Thanks again Studiobinder for this wonderful episode!
She's the best!
Her work is outstanding, still, one of the best editors working today.
Always a lot to learn from!
Creative couples are so inspirational - these 2 legends most of all.
One of the best duos in cinema!
8:00 - “So normally you would have cut that scene faster. But the richness of the acting - it was our job to make sure that we honored that, and that we got the absolute best out of it.”
That’s exactly how they have to do these types of things on the stage in theatre. Many film actors do/got their start in theatre, so it’s nice to see some editors recognize that sometimes sustaining a shot is more effective than expediency.
Hello
Or, they simply did not have another angle.
@@TinLeadHammer Are you joking? We’re talking about a Scorcese film
@@thisisEHAM Movies are make-believe. BTS are make-believe about artistic choices when making make-believe.
@@TinLeadHammer takes the cake for the most uninformed artistic opinion I’ve ever heard in my life
she is precious and you guys are gold thank u for being u, always so enlightening and inspiring
Happy to help!
I’ve heard the editing process is brutal. Good for her for still going.
brutal but very rewarding :)
Musicians make great film editors. I compose music for film, yet enjoy cutting film to music a lot more.
The instinct for rhythm would definitely help
Hello
What an amazing woman. I hope she teaches a masterclass one day.
We'll all be waiting
What a blessing this is! To hear Thelma Schoonmaker talk through editingn on Scorsese's films! WoW, in heaven right now! So inspired!
We also need a shout-out for whoever edits these videos :)
They'll be sure to hear about it :)
I don't think you could have found better person to talk about film editing. Great catch StudioBinder.
We agree!
Thelma Schoonmaker has mastered the concept of knowing when to break the rules. In this case, of editing. There is always so much to be inspired by in a StudioBinder video. Thank you so much, StudioBinder. You keep my thoughts fresh with new ideas and inspiration. Cheers.
Great to hear! Hope the video helps with your projects
She's the one that kept us hooked throughout Scorsese's movies.... What a legend
Don't know when I read that Martin Scorsese AND Thelma Schoonmaker worked on the editing of WOODSTOCK. Wikipedia lists 6 names as editors. Was a mountain of material, of course.
My magic moment in this documentary comes near the end: SANTANA with "Soul Sacrifice". I think it is one of the clips that define the very PEAK in the art of editing. With split screen technique we see the interactions between the musicians and of the band with their audience often simultaneously, it's rhythm, emotion, joy, togetherness, melody, smiles, dancing, a little madness and very much heart!
I do not know for sure, but I would BET that these minutes are the work of Thelma. Can someone please verify this? Greets from Munich - from a great fan!!!
Like Scorsese’s The Departed and The Irishman. The editing was nice in the both movies . Hope the editing is good in Killers of the flower moon.
They both make great films to study editing!
The best studiobinder episode ever!!!
🔥💕
one of the best editors out there !! best dual !
Thanks you studio binder you make things very easy to learn for filmmaking.
Happy filming!
Scorsese's earlier films, like Mean Streets & Taxi Driver, are brilliant, but when he was able to get Thelma to work on his films from Raging Bull onwards, you can tell the difference, & it is immensely clear. She deserves credit for at least 50% for his films being so good.
What a great woman! Same story with Sally Menke - the woman behind Tarantino!
That was awesome documentary.
Thanks for watching!
She is one of the greatest
We're lucky to see her work 👍
Love it! V-editor here too and she's one of my favs! SO great to hear a little about her here!
Should do more videos on editing... this is amazing 👏
That's the plan!
The best editor around !!!
A true master 🔥
Thelma Schoonmakeris one of the greaterst editor of all time :)
Definitely!
Again amazing lesson.
Much to learn!
If her editing was this good in Scorsese movies, imagine how she would edit a music video or even your wedding video
Interesting thought, but editing for a narrative film is quite different than editing a music video. Wedding video perhaps more similar
She HAS edited a music video. She edited MICHAEL JACKSON's 'BAD' which was directed by SCORSESE.
When I do jump cuts, they are noticed easily. When they do, it flows very well and are sometimes not noticed at all. Ahh well, I still need practice! And your video, which are really appreciated ;)
Appreciate the feedback!
Hello
The cultural footprint this woman has had on the past 50 years of cinema can't be understated!
Hi
She’s an absolute treasure
What an editor!!!
Editing is KEY
It's essential 👍
WOW...
... WOW
WOW
This Lady is the QUEEN of Film Editing.
Thank you StudioBinder for sharing this Fantastic Video.
AMAZING...
Raging Bull is one of my favourites
Ours too!
I think many casual film watcher (or even a more experienced one) doesn't even realize how much the editing can affect the feeling of the film. Many films could be saved by a skillful editor. Also lighting is another very important element of film making which affects us in more subconscious level, just like editing.
this is so special, thanks guys
Scorsese in Masterclass: People think it's good editing if you can see it; good editing is something else too: where you don't see it.
Thelma Schoonmaker: A lot of people think editing should be invisible, but we never felt that way. We always like to slap the audience in the face.
...?
Well, he did say "something else too" 😅. Both are good ways, just needs to be done right
Happy to see this one as well! Thanks guys :) God bless you!
Have a great Monday!
The editor of my life 🤍
Great person to study editing!
Thelma Schoonmaker "You're Job is to do what's Right for the Movie." The Advice Lesson of the Mentor. The Director and Editor Partnership between Martin Scorsese and Thelma Schoonmaker is one of the Best and one of the Most Inspiring and Awesome.🎬 🎞 📽🏆🏆🏆
Agreed!
absolute legend!
Hello
I really find editing intrigue. I don't manage to tell what difference an editor or other. But this is what i like, to learn how to appreciate it. I like editing and i always try to notice it. Here Schoonmaker shows how she makes Scorsese, Scorsese. She is really fantastic and i adore her and Scorsese. They are pure cinema and this is another great video.
They are a fantastic duo :)
Wonderful video. Big fan of Martin Scorsese work.
Glad you liked it! We're all fans here :)
Thank you for this!
Keep it coming...❤️✌️
Will keep them coming!
Goodfellas might just be the best edited film I’ve ever seen. Schoonmaker is to Scorsese what Williams is to Spielberg.
The glass thing shocked me
Definitely jarring
Wow she worked on a lot of the great movies
A legendary filmography 👍
Incredibly inspiring
Lessons from the master!
Even this video's editing is perfect 😂😂
We took notes ;)
What a wonderful woman! Great video! Thanks
Thank you so much it was awesome
Great to hear!
everything in this channel Amazing
StudioBinder - Thank You.
Thanks for watching!
I was shocked to learn she was the editor behind the atrocity "The Snowman". While watching, I thought how awful the editing was, only to realize it was edited by this legend 😳
😅 She did say an editor's mission is to fulfill the director's vision
Lol you're right!
Awesome 🤘👍
Thanks for watching!
Welcome master 🙏🙏❤️❤️
Tuned in for Schoonmaker!
@@StudioBinder 😂
Shee is brilliant editor!
Definitely!
@@StudioBinder , if u had someone as Thelma Schoonmaker in your crew, you could be sure that everything would be okay
my inspiration for being editor
the eye brow thing i totally agree with , i also hate when someone use too much eyebrows and its too fake
it does seem a bit mechanical 😅
" I’ve known him since he was in his last year at New York University ... " the rest is history!
Wow!! Thanks 😊
I think some credit is due to Studiobinders editor, seriously who ever edits these is genius
thankyou for a lesson
Hope it's useful :)
StudioBinder rocks
Thanks!
Awesome :)
Spectacular :)
What's the music at the end?
In india ( Not only in india) the Covid-19 pandemic is still increasing... I think there maybe also dreamers like us near to death, take a 10 sec just for them!❤️
Our best wishes and prayers for India! We hope the situation gets better soon ❤
Legend.
Please Talk about Zack Snyder Style and his VFX Works.
it would be great.
Thanks for the suggestion!
By reading some comments. I thought that many are here just for fun. They are not here for life-changing lessons.
Nothing wrong with having fun. We make our videos to be entertaining and educating!
Song name at 0:52
Songs are listed in the description!
This is free film school!
free, remote, and permanent
@@StudioBinder damn right
For sure.
I'm an editor, I've got chill listen to this... I'm just sorry I will never reach that level anyway
Can you about Alfred Hitchcock, best movies of Kubrick
*3 times OSCAR award winning film editor madam Thelma a true tribute from studiobinders*
Nicely said 👌
Is it bad that I never noticed all this when I watched the film?
Not at all, you should be enjoying them
Do more editing
That's the plan!
Someone should fire her for not doing her job! As near as I can tell literally NOTHING was cut from The Irishman.
She should have won for The Irishman
To be fair, there was a lot of great competition
serious question : who actually is the greatest film editor ever lived ?
It just might be her
@@edbelocura7509 there is also tom cross (whiplash editor) and the guy who edited interstellar
Walter Murch could be a candidate
Apart from her, there’s Murch, Paul Hirsch, Michael Kahn, Sally Menke, George Tomasini, Marcia Lucas. (And these are all Western editors.)
Who added the tires screeching on the sand in the middle of the desert in casino???
They probably created the sound in studio or recorded it on location
I always wondered why the obvious bad cut in Casino (from real to stunt double in the car explosion) and in the Wolf of Wallstreet in the scene that Jordan Belfort meets Donny at the restaurant (you hear two adlib tracks at one point in the conversation).. Anyone an idea? Or is that just plain and simple bad editing? i would love to know why two all time greats would let that get a pass
Might be a similar situation to The Irishman, but if there's something specific that's constantly repeated then it 's probably to get a certain reaction
In Casino, i think maybe they wanted to hint that Sam didnt really die. So that's why the cut to the stunt double is so apparent
Thats the best reason i can think to cover up that😂
why is no one talking about how often leo dicaprio shows up
Scorsese has Schoonmaker
Tarantino had Menke
Just calling bad cuts art doesn't mean they are good cuts. It just means they couldn't figure out of to fix it and Thelma Schoonmaker admits that in this. If there are no standards then anything goes and nothing is bad or good, which makes no sense. There is a time and place for jarring cuts, but not all the time or when you can't find a solution to a problem.
It is such an amusing thing to witness how those charlatans make extremely poor editing choices most of the time, yet pretend they 'break the boundaries' and make 'artistically appropriate' decisions. And the funniest thing is that a viewer for some reason switches his or hers brain off and accepts this nonsense at face value.