And Doran is that guy who does every side quest, making it take ages before he finishes the game but causing him to be OP when he meets the final boss.
That moment when you are heading to bed but Preston uploads the video - then you spend the next 20 minutes watching it and another three hours reflecting on what you saw
I know its not very dramatic, but maybe sending daemon sand along was a way to humble Arianne and have her shift to using her brain instead of her knockers to control people Its subtle like we could expect from a man like doran
Woah a fantastic observation about the culture and psychology at play in asoiaf and no easily triggered people freaking out that you stated your opinion? What a shocker! I had a similar idea, especially the tension in the second chapter w daemon doing everything in his power to dissuade (or potentially “push”) her towards meeting aegon
Maybe Doran put Daemon Sand on Arianna's mission to get her to start thinking about how she can win when she can't use her #1 weapon: her sexuality. Daemon is someone Arianna thinks she can seduce but she can't. Doran ensures this by picking a previous lover she's scorned
Great video Preston, the only issue I take is that feudalism doesn't always mean one child inherits everything. In fact, usually the titles would be distributed among children, and its part of the reason feudalism is so messy. The advent of more absolutist policies in the late medieval age and into the early modern period made 'one child, all titles' much more important but it definitely wasn't the norm for most of history.
Very depending on circumstances, culture, power of a potential heir vs other claimants and centralisation. France e.g. Basicly stopped gavelkind in high middle ages while many german states didnt. but powerfull houses were able to hold everything together like habsburg, hohenzoller, rurikowich.
Even the habsburgs had a lot of trouble with it - the Treaty of Neuberg caused quite a few issues for the Habsburgs. The Hohenzollerns had a load of trouble with succession too., the Prussian branch stuck together pretty well but only once firmly in the early-modern period when succession was less messy.
Eastern Europe had a lot of fratricide because they practiced fraternal inheritance (don't know what the proper name is) so the surviving son and oldest brother would try to maim each other to make each other unfit to rul... and Macbeth, was the last King of Scotland elected in the traditional anglo saxon way (again I don't know what the proper name is.) and we know how that turned out.
Do you think Ned really knew Lyanna? Ned was fostered during the same age range as Quentin - and Arianna uses this fostering as an explanation for why she doesn't know her brother. Do most noble family members not know each other due to fostering?
Sometimes I rewatch one of your videos soon after the first viewing. To make sure it all soaks in. This time, I hit repeat immediately. Too good to wait for.
Considering it is Daemon who brings up the dragon banner of House Tolland, leading to the reference to the books that could contain information about defeating dragons, is that another hint that Daemon is really more involved in Doren's plan than Arriane? Like you suggested with Quinten and Drink, it seems Arrianne is being taken on a ride with others in control of the reigns.
And the big problem with both the Quinten quest and the Arianne mission is how much more did Doren love his sister over his own children? If all the Martels really are so super cold hearted why all the love for the dead Sister/Aunt?
3:09 "Absolutely no reason to think that Teora Toland has any Targaryen or Valyrian blood in her"?? Are you serious? Their sigil itself is a dragon!! And Dorne is - perhaps ironically or strangely - the kingdom/region with the most marriages to House Targaryen throughout the centuries, so yeah, they could totally have blood of the dragon, either directly from House Targaryen or via House Dayne or House Martell or something like that. (Or otherwise they may have some ancient strange connection to dragons and the Valyrians or the Great Empire of the Dawn, just like House Dayne and House Hightower seems to have.)
In the 2nd Arianne sample chapter we learn that Aegon had captured Storms End. And we know Stannis sent one of his knights to secure sale swords notably the Golden Company. All that being said do you think the Golden Company will use that and pretend to be there to relive Storms End and then sack it when the gates are opened? I can't see another way that doesn't cost Aegon half his men. I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Holypikemanz What's the point in having dorne waiting for revenge this long to take on the lannister, why didn't doran do more than just send his son on a long journey mission, why didn't he ally with varys or littlefinger, or hire more spies and freerider to create anarchy to the westeros to give away for Dany or anarchy for independence?
Waiting is super hard FOR YOU, but in reality, people do not rush into treason against the throne or as crazy as Theon's dad to just declare war without having other alliances. Your impatience is not Doran's. impulse control, plotting. Its good stuff. And if you watch Preston's other videos, Doran has been hiring mercs to create chaos.
Like Roose said, boy lords are the bane of any house. Doran wants Quentyn and Arianne and the Sand Snakes gone, and has used them to strenghten the honesty of his offer of Trystane to King's Landing, the third in line of succession. How can anyone doubt Doran's honesty, when the two other heirs seemingly betrayed him by trying to marry with Daenerys and Aegon at the same time? And the Sand Snakes' actions? Surely directed by the spiteful Ellaria. Doran is checkmating all opposition to Trystane by using their selfish desires to get them off the board. In the end, Doran cares about "the children of the water gardens", not his own blood. He had to get the venom out of his House. Doran wants peace, and no one would have accepted a peace that implied marrying into the Lannister house, unless there was no option left.
19:39 You made me realize why the "not the type to make a girl's heart beat faster" line and overall quentynn's description striked me much more than any other description. Its made to be relatable to Forever alone guys. And probably to guys who on their wedding say they dont understand why their wife wants to be with them.
About Dorne I wonder: the water shortage may be solved by the winter. We can expect rain and snow that will replenish the wells. One of the greatest dornish problems may be soon solved. Meanwhile being south, it won't be too cold.
Immigration won't be easy or even feasible with 2 armies on the way to Dorne. Even so we may see climate change refugees from the north in the other regions
Northern moving to the south will be impossible do to the neck, they must get to the greywater watch that's the least they can do. or the mountains of flint or white harbor, the western may go to Casterly of rock and lannisport, many region may try to flee to the reach, dorne may try to hide some people.
is there evidence, that the climate actually works like that in Dorne? Usually the warm places don't really have summer/winter, but dry and rain season. And Winter is the dry season if I recall correctly.
Dorne has dry climate and gets barely any rain. Why should there be lots of snow? Different areas get vastly different amounts of snow depending on the dryness of the climate and not mainly by how cold it is.
I think it's possible that Doran has tasked Daemon with some task that he's convinced Daemon means the difference between life and death for Arianne so he's confident Daemon will give it all he's got.
you left out the "we might share a bed together part" that arianne spoke before Daemon shut her down. I felt as though something was missing, we hadn't heard her "seduction"
Was just about to do a bunch of chores around the house, and lamenting not having a new Preston video to listen to. Then I checked and, voila: new video. Thanks, man!
Of your prepping for winter series, this is by far the best. I feel like you can sometimes indulge in innuendo and offer little proof that it is more than it would seem as support for your ideas, where as with this there is a clear support by way of dialogue in previous chapters.
I see a big problem with Doran Martell and that is his memory of history is selective. Sure he remembers the ruins of the Rhoynish cities alright, that I'm not denying. When the Valyrian Freehold expanded into Essos the Rhoynar opposed them and in the beginning quite successfully but eventually the Valyrians overwhelmed them and Nymeria's 10,000 ships happened. Next, we have the Targaryen-Dornish wars. The first time Aegon and his dragons were defeated by guerrilla warfare. But then we had Daeron the Young Dragon who simply by learning from Aegon's (and without dragons) ruled Dorne for 4 years (though Martin would go out of his way to minimize this accomplishment). After the Dornish regained independence, they bent the knee through marriage. And contrary to Doran's beliefs the Dornish are bent, broken and bowed the only thing that separated them from the other Lords-Paramount was that they were called Princes and had Dornish law (although until Jaehaerys I, all the Kingdoms kept their own laws). All Daeron II did was allow the Dornish to save face. After all the Yronwoods call themselves the Bloodroyal even though they are no long Kings anymore. Another thing Doran forgets is that the Dorne that did withstand the Targaryens was a united Dorne (including the Stony Dornish) but Doran wants Rhoynish restoration and is deliberately sabotaging the Stony Dornish. I think that the pattern will repeat itself a third time in the Valyrian Restoration Movement-Rhoynish Restoration Movement Cold War. That's another thing to remember Doran and Illyrio are essentially having a Cold War, which as a hippie martin hates.
"No reason to believe Teora Toland has any Targaryen or Valyrian blood in her" then bringing up Shireen. Starting with the more obvious one, Shireen literally does have Targaryen blood: she's the daughter of Stannis, a son of Steffon, the son of Ormond Baratheon and RHAELLE TARGARYEN. As for Teora, all we know about the marriage of Maron Martell and Daenerys Targaryen was that they had children. We don't know whether they had daughters or not. Even if they didn't, it would be perfectly reasonable for some unknown Martell woman between them and Doran's mother to wed a Toland. The only complication is Bran, who has a powerful lineage on both sides (Tullys are likely First Men, not to mention his Whent grandmother as I believe your theory on that) in his own right, and need not be counted.
Could the "dancing dragons" be Dany's dragons "dancing" with an Ice Dragon? Either an ice dragon we haven't seen yet, or one of her own taken by the Others?
Arianne altogether has been kind of a one trick pony, if she isn't able too seduce her target she kind of falls apart....... this doesn't look good for the future of Dorne. If I was Doran I would be sending obstacles, distractions and hardships for her Way to train her, Doran gave her the Party that would trouble her most, I have always felt he wants her to Bring about the tactical warrior queen's Whose leadership saved the Rhoynish culture
Gosh I thought at 16:49 that the Daenerys pointed there is the present Dany and I immediately thought about the theory of Dany's past with lemon tree and Haouse Dalt which connects to Dorne, but then the last sentences got me wrong. Though I wonder if Dany ever sets foot to Dorne and somehow reminds her of the red door or the lemon tree and got her confused with her past. If then, Quaithe's words regarding going north she must go south and to go forth she must go back would be correct.
Thank you Preston. I never thought to read GRRM and THINK about every single fucking sentence written. Let's do this for the whole ASOIF, so that should be a 30? year project, I think I can stay alive that long.
I'm curious Preston (aka nights king) how do you record your videos, do you have some sort of studio set up or ritual you perform?(in the vein of debate exercises/warm ups)
Preston, how would news of Quentyn's Death in Slaver bay real or fake possible effect Arianne's plan and Dorne overall? News of his "death" by dragon fire would likely travel fast or even news of Dany's marriage to someone else. If Arianne thinks Dany isn't coming or that the marriage plans have failed could that cause her to do something rash say marrying Aegon?
So bodily fluids affect humours, that D & D remembered that or their book squires told them of it, tenuous. Essentially Joff being 'backed up from balls to brains' has merit.
Honestly man, I don't even think anything from the Dorne story lines is really gunna matter in the end. I kind of doubt George would have all this figured/planned out, especially considering how long it takes him to write. No offence either but I don't even really quite understand why everyone is so interested in anything Dorne related. I just feels like it's never going to amount to anything and this build up for some super dope, super awesome master plan is getting so hyped that it's almost overshadowing the main story. Sorry rant over I do genuinely love your vids Preston.
Roose has himself leeched. I wonder if he does so to prevent people snooping on his dreams? I'd love to know what the book he was reading at Harrenhal was.
would't it be possible for teora to descent from a daughter of the first danaerys that married into the martells? after so many generations i imagine there are quite a lot of dornish noble families with distant relations to the targaryens
If Teora is leeched to treat having dragon dreams, could Roose Bolton be using leeches for a similar reason? Maybe he's suppressing green dreams? It could support the theory that Ramsey gets green dreams as well, if Ramsey really is Roose's son.
I think men use their sexuality or appearance for power quite a bit in the series as well. Littlefinger used that appendage to take advantage of Lysa. I think Renly knew that Brienne had feelings for him and he used that to make her a sworn sword. Dario loves using his sexuality to endear himself to Danny ,rubbing the women on his sword hilts felt quite suggestive. And of course Pod is the greatest sexual being ever made. I also love it when any of the characters who use their sexuality or beauty as a crutch have their good looks taken away from them. It forces them to depend on their other traits as a means of achieving their goals
Idk if i would call the dream teora had a dragon dream in the same way dany and tyrion have them. Teora dreamed of dragons dancing- this could just be a metaphor for dany and faegon fighting a targ civil war. Dany and Tyrion dream of riding and becoming dragons, or having dragon like characteristics. Idk, seems like a small but significant distinction and to me reads as the author trying to lay false trails so to speak.
I think you look at things too often from a modern perspective, it is not weird that Daemon believes firmly in the death of Aegon; most everything that people know in Westeros is by hearsay. If anything, NOT believing that Aegon is dead would be considered weird.
Hi Preston, just wanted to ask are you going to watch the show this year? I'm honestly a bit conflicted as with the possibility of winds getting closer I really don't want anything more spoiled in regards to the big picture of the books
IDK, Isn't it possible that one of Daenary's (who married into House Martell a century ago) descendants married into House Tolland? You say we have no reason to believe she has any Targaryen blood... but who really knows?
If Quentyn is really resemblance of Old man Martin, we all know that his gonna have a happy ending on his own way. Like fuck, if im gonna make fictional story of me atleast I should have a happy ending.
Doran wants Quentyn, Arianne, and the Sand Snakes all dead, and blame it all on them being angry at his plan to marry the lowest heir, Trystane, to Myrcella. It's his way of rooting out the venom from his House, and to demonstrate how honest his proposal is to King's Landing. Who could doubt his honesty, if his two other heirs and Oberyn's children all died seemingly trying to opposite it? All will be blamed on Ellaria. Any attempt to unite with Daenerys is as such checkmated, and no differently with Aegon. Dorne has to support his plan, or fall into chaos. Doran cares for the children of Dorne as a whole, represented by the water garden's children, not his own blood. He wants peace.
Teora could very well be a descendant of the Dornish Danaeris. Not that I genuinely believe blood has any real merit in the story, but it's a possibility nonetheless.
Maybe Doran just sent a cross section of Dorne in his choice of the company. And a company made up of healthy skeptics to judge with sober eyes Aegon and his chances And it sounds like Arianne just doesn't like the thought of Quinten out ranking her. She's busy counted QM's money instead of her own and getting jealous.
Arianne is like a person playing an RPG but doesn't care about the details and side missions, and just wants to finish the main quest line.
Using her female charisma traits -
too lazy to fight all the soldiers.
Sheraz Khan hahahha that is fucking great..
And Doran is that guy who does every side quest, making it take ages before he finishes the game but causing him to be OP when he meets the final boss.
"our troubled hero Sweetrobin"
I never got that...How is Preston a SR fan?? Or is it in an ironic way??
Perpetually besieged and beset by all sides...
Neo Riv You should watch “The Minds of Wolves and Robins”
Lol
@@neoriv9468 I empathize with Swetrobin because of his crush of Sansa. I have no idea why Preston is so obsessed with the kid.
That moment when you are heading to bed but Preston uploads the video - then you spend the next 20 minutes watching it and another three hours reflecting on what you saw
Kostas P. haha yep
Listen to Preston in bed
I know its not very dramatic, but maybe sending daemon sand along was a way to humble Arianne and have her shift to using her brain instead of her knockers to control people
Its subtle like we could expect from a man like doran
SWAG POLICE I like that idea.
Daemon Sand? You must mean Daemon Targaryen, the rouge prince. Que the music.
SWAG POLICE doran martell is nothing if not subtle...
If so I don’t see it working on her given that his past few attempts to teach her subtle lessons went straight over her head
Woah a fantastic observation about the culture and psychology at play in asoiaf and no easily triggered people freaking out that you stated your opinion? What a shocker! I had a similar idea, especially the tension in the second chapter w daemon doing everything in his power to dissuade (or potentially “push”) her towards meeting aegon
Maybe Doran put Daemon Sand on Arianna's mission to get her to start thinking about how she can win when she can't use her #1 weapon: her sexuality. Daemon is someone Arianna thinks she can seduce but she can't. Doran ensures this by picking a previous lover she's scorned
Great video Preston, the only issue I take is that feudalism doesn't always mean one child inherits everything. In fact, usually the titles would be distributed among children, and its part of the reason feudalism is so messy. The advent of more absolutist policies in the late medieval age and into the early modern period made 'one child, all titles' much more important but it definitely wasn't the norm for most of history.
Very depending on circumstances, culture, power of a potential heir vs other claimants and centralisation.
France e.g. Basicly stopped gavelkind in high middle ages while many german states didnt. but powerfull houses were able to hold everything together like habsburg, hohenzoller, rurikowich.
Even the habsburgs had a lot of trouble with it - the Treaty of Neuberg caused quite a few issues for the Habsburgs. The Hohenzollerns had a load of trouble with succession too., the Prussian branch stuck together pretty well but only once firmly in the early-modern period when succession was less messy.
Eastern Europe had a lot of fratricide because they practiced fraternal inheritance (don't know what the proper name is) so the surviving son and oldest brother would try to maim each other to make each other unfit to rul... and Macbeth, was the last King of Scotland elected in the traditional anglo saxon way (again I don't know what the proper name is.) and we know how that turned out.
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Hope in future industry of TV and movies we get violence and plot that is the same as history rippoff, inspired by game of thrones.
Do you think Ned really knew Lyanna? Ned was fostered during the same age range as Quentin - and Arianna uses this fostering as an explanation for why she doesn't know her brother. Do most noble family members not know each other due to fostering?
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Ned was eight when he went to the Vale, actually.
Sometimes I rewatch one of your videos soon after the first viewing. To make sure it all soaks in. This time, I hit repeat immediately. Too good to wait for.
And this plan, like everything Dornish, exists to fail and test the patience of the audience. And it's still the best version of Dorne out there.
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Considering it is Daemon who brings up the dragon banner of House Tolland, leading to the reference to the books that could contain information about defeating dragons, is that another hint that Daemon is really more involved in Doren's plan than Arriane? Like you suggested with Quinten and Drink, it seems Arrianne is being taken on a ride with others in control of the reigns.
And the big problem with both the Quinten quest and the Arianne mission is how much more did Doren love his sister over his own children? If all the Martels really are so super cold hearted why all the love for the dead Sister/Aunt?
And of course Arrianne never does her assigned reading...
3:09 "Absolutely no reason to think that Teora Toland has any Targaryen or Valyrian blood in her"?? Are you serious? Their sigil itself is a dragon!! And Dorne is - perhaps ironically or strangely - the kingdom/region with the most marriages to House Targaryen throughout the centuries, so yeah, they could totally have blood of the dragon, either directly from House Targaryen or via House Dayne or House Martell or something like that. (Or otherwise they may have some ancient strange connection to dragons and the Valyrians or the Great Empire of the Dawn, just like House Dayne and House Hightower seems to have.)
If leeching is common way of 'dream' treatment.. then could Lord Bolton be another Dreamer??
A very interesting thought.
Might be the reason he always speaks so sofly and has these big pale eyes. He's seen some fuck up shit, man.
dreamers have red puffed up eyes. bolton has ice chips.. as if someone sucked out blood outa him.
Maybe he is the ONLY person of importance in the story who has NO dreams?
That is why he is so COLD and SELFCENTERED?
This is such a logical fallacy that Preston considers it possible.
In the 2nd Arianne sample chapter we learn that Aegon had captured Storms End. And we know Stannis sent one of his knights to secure sale swords notably the Golden Company. All that being said do you think the Golden Company will use that and pretend to be there to relive Storms End and then sack it when the gates are opened? I can't see another way that doesn't cost Aegon half his men. I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Aegon said he wants to lead the charge and we know he’s an above average swordsman so it’s either he used tactics and strength or guile
thanks so much for your hard work Preston! You have such amazing insights!
Sending your kids on fail missions. More ruthless than Little finger?
Holypikemanz It makes no sense for doran to do all this?
Either Doran's doing it or being manipulated into doing it. We dont know what his wife and his free cities connections are doing either.
Holypikemanz What's the point in having dorne waiting for revenge this long to take on the lannister, why didn't doran do more than just send his son on a long journey mission, why didn't he ally with varys or littlefinger, or hire more spies and freerider to create anarchy to the westeros to give away for Dany or anarchy for independence?
Waiting is super hard FOR YOU, but in reality, people do not rush into treason against the throne or as crazy as Theon's dad to just declare war without having other alliances. Your impatience is not Doran's. impulse control, plotting. Its good stuff. And if you watch Preston's other videos, Doran has been hiring mercs to create chaos.
Like Roose said, boy lords are the bane of any house. Doran wants Quentyn and Arianne and the Sand Snakes gone, and has used them to strenghten the honesty of his offer of Trystane to King's Landing, the third in line of succession. How can anyone doubt Doran's honesty, when the two other heirs seemingly betrayed him by trying to marry with Daenerys and Aegon at the same time? And the Sand Snakes' actions? Surely directed by the spiteful Ellaria. Doran is checkmating all opposition to Trystane by using their selfish desires to get them off the board. In the end, Doran cares about "the children of the water gardens", not his own blood. He had to get the venom out of his House. Doran wants peace, and no one would have accepted a peace that implied marrying into the Lannister house, unless there was no option left.
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19:39 You made me realize why the "not the type to make a girl's heart beat faster" line and overall quentynn's description striked me much more than any other description. Its made to be relatable to Forever alone guys. And probably to guys who on their wedding say they dont understand why their wife wants to be with them.
About Dorne I wonder: the water shortage may be solved by the winter. We can expect rain and snow that will replenish the wells. One of the greatest dornish problems may be soon solved. Meanwhile being south, it won't be too cold.
Peppe Mercury I wonder if more people moving south to avoid winter would offset the extra water.
Immigration won't be easy or even feasible with 2 armies on the way to Dorne. Even so we may see climate change refugees from the north in the other regions
Northern moving to the south will be impossible do to the neck, they must get to the greywater watch that's the least they can do. or the mountains of flint or white harbor, the western may go to Casterly of rock and lannisport, many region may try to flee to the reach, dorne may try to hide some people.
is there evidence, that the climate actually works like that in Dorne? Usually the warm places don't really have summer/winter, but dry and rain season. And Winter is the dry season if I recall correctly.
Dorne has dry climate and gets barely any rain. Why should there be lots of snow? Different areas get vastly different amounts of snow depending on the dryness of the climate and not mainly by how cold it is.
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I think it's possible that Doran has tasked Daemon with some task that he's convinced Daemon means the difference between life and death for Arianne so he's confident Daemon will give it all he's got.
Daemon Sand and Arianne's relationship reminds me of Cristin Cole and Rhanerya
you left out the "we might share a bed together part" that arianne spoke before Daemon shut her down. I felt as though something was missing, we hadn't heard her "seduction"
Was just about to do a bunch of chores around the house, and lamenting not having a new Preston video to listen to. Then I checked and, voila: new video. Thanks, man!
Of your prepping for winter series, this is by far the best. I feel like you can sometimes indulge in innuendo and offer little proof that it is more than it would seem as support for your ideas, where as with this there is a clear support by way of dialogue in previous chapters.
You missed a golden opportunity to call Dornish Danaerys "Dornaerys"...or "Dorny" :D
I see a big problem with Doran Martell and that is his memory of history is selective. Sure he remembers the ruins of the Rhoynish cities alright, that I'm not denying. When the Valyrian Freehold expanded into Essos the Rhoynar opposed them and in the beginning quite successfully but eventually the Valyrians overwhelmed them and Nymeria's 10,000 ships happened. Next, we have the Targaryen-Dornish wars. The first time Aegon and his dragons were defeated by guerrilla warfare. But then we had Daeron the Young Dragon who simply by learning from Aegon's (and without dragons) ruled Dorne for 4 years (though Martin would go out of his way to minimize this accomplishment). After the Dornish regained independence, they bent the knee through marriage. And contrary to Doran's beliefs the Dornish are bent, broken and bowed the only thing that separated them from the other Lords-Paramount was that they were called Princes and had Dornish law (although until Jaehaerys I, all the Kingdoms kept their own laws). All Daeron II did was allow the Dornish to save face. After all the Yronwoods call themselves the Bloodroyal even though they are no long Kings anymore. Another thing Doran forgets is that the Dorne that did withstand the Targaryens was a united Dorne (including the Stony Dornish) but Doran wants Rhoynish restoration and is deliberately sabotaging the Stony Dornish. I think that the pattern will repeat itself a third time in the Valyrian Restoration Movement-Rhoynish Restoration Movement Cold War. That's another thing to remember Doran and Illyrio are essentially having a Cold War, which as a hippie martin hates.
Thumbs up for "our troubled hero!"
Even though it's not much material, I really can't wait for you to cover the barristan and tyrion chapters.
our troubled hero, sweetrobin...
"No reason to believe Teora Toland has any Targaryen or Valyrian blood in her" then bringing up Shireen.
Starting with the more obvious one, Shireen literally does have Targaryen blood: she's the daughter of Stannis, a son of Steffon, the son of Ormond Baratheon and RHAELLE TARGARYEN.
As for Teora, all we know about the marriage of Maron Martell and Daenerys Targaryen was that they had children. We don't know whether they had daughters or not. Even if they didn't, it would be perfectly reasonable for some unknown Martell woman between them and Doran's mother to wed a Toland.
The only complication is Bran, who has a powerful lineage on both sides (Tullys are likely First Men, not to mention his Whent grandmother as I believe your theory on that) in his own right, and need not be counted.
Preston you're the greatest!!
Could Roose be having dreams of some sort as well? those leeches are getting more interesting.
Thanks based Presbro!
Could the "dancing dragons" be Dany's dragons "dancing" with an Ice Dragon? Either an ice dragon we haven't seen yet, or one of her own taken by the Others?
Fantastic work - I hope you're going to do the unofficial Arianne II - lots of interesting bits in there - especially that cave.
yeaaay an update these are the BEST!!
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It's going to be a funny evening :) thanks Preston!
YAAAS Damnit Preston you know how to make a shitty day so much better.
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Prince Doran is really fucking with us! So many plots and ploys and schemes. It's just hurting my head.
So is this considered The Battle or Wait of Sand?
Finally Preston has returned to... PFW... if you smelllllllllllll what the Preston... is cooking!
This made my night
Arianne altogether has been kind of a one trick pony, if she isn't able too seduce her target she kind of falls apart....... this doesn't look good for the future of Dorne. If I was Doran I would be sending obstacles, distractions and hardships for her Way to train her, Doran gave her the Party that would trouble her most, I have always felt he wants her to Bring about the tactical warrior queen's Whose leadership saved the Rhoynish culture
Gosh I thought at 16:49 that the Daenerys pointed there is the present Dany and I immediately thought about the theory of Dany's past with lemon tree and Haouse Dalt which connects to Dorne, but then the last sentences got me wrong. Though I wonder if Dany ever sets foot to Dorne and somehow reminds her of the red door or the lemon tree and got her confused with her past. If then, Quaithe's words regarding going north she must go south and to go forth she must go back would be correct.
Preston will you do a big Winds of Winter review when it comes out?
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Thank you Preston. I never thought to read GRRM and THINK about every single fucking sentence written. Let's do this for the whole ASOIF, so that should be a 30? year project, I think I can stay alive that long.
I swear every time I check if you have a new video u post it 20 minutes later
Stoked!!!
What's Doran's plan for Trystane?
and please do a video on the Tyrells
I don't know how much deeper can we go into Dorne, but if Preston doesen't stop, he might find himself in Essos.
I'm curious Preston (aka nights king) how do you record your videos, do you have some sort of studio set up or ritual you perform?(in the vein of debate exercises/warm ups)
Preston, how would news of Quentyn's Death in Slaver bay real or fake possible effect Arianne's plan and Dorne overall? News of his "death" by dragon fire would likely travel fast or even news of Dany's marriage to someone else. If Arianne thinks Dany isn't coming or that the marriage plans have failed could that cause her to do something rash say marrying Aegon?
So bodily fluids affect humours, that D & D remembered that or their book squires told them of it, tenuous. Essentially Joff being 'backed up from balls to brains' has merit.
only 12.46 am .. who needs 2 b awake in school
What with your theory of Quentyn being alive, I'm surprised you made no comment about the line "Almost as silly as Quentyn riding a dragon."
Yeah Preston, prep me up
House Toland could have had Targaryen blood from Rhaenys i know she was with Uller but maybe they married an uller
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"babys are hard to identify, and they are even harder to idenify once their heads are smashed in"
well, that's a sentence one doesn't hear often.
A series on Slavers bay and the Mereneese knot would soak fuckin' socks, Preston. Please make it happen.
Wow great vid 😁😁😁😁☺️
Could wild fire be radioactive, it could explain a few things. sorry for being off topic
Honestly man, I don't even think anything from the Dorne story lines is really gunna matter in the end. I kind of doubt George would have all this figured/planned out, especially considering how long it takes him to write. No offence either but I don't even really quite understand why everyone is so interested in anything Dorne related. I just feels like it's never going to amount to anything and this build up for some super dope, super awesome master plan is getting so hyped that it's almost overshadowing the main story. Sorry rant over I do genuinely love your vids Preston.
Roose has himself leeched. I wonder if he does so to prevent people snooping on his dreams? I'd love to know what the book he was reading at Harrenhal was.
would't it be possible for teora to descent from a daughter of the first danaerys that married into the martells? after so many generations i imagine there are quite a lot of dornish noble families with distant relations to the targaryens
Do the Sansa chapter after Arianne II
OMG. The Sansa chapter. So, so ominous
If Teora is leeched to treat having dragon dreams, could Roose Bolton be using leeches for a similar reason? Maybe he's suppressing green dreams? It could support the theory that Ramsey gets green dreams as well, if Ramsey really is Roose's son.
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2am i see this, fuck it lets do it!
Yes!! Preston!
2:45 Lololol The Dance of Dragons
I think men use their sexuality or appearance for power quite a bit in the series as well. Littlefinger used that appendage to take advantage of Lysa. I think Renly knew that Brienne had feelings for him and he used that to make her a sworn sword. Dario loves using his sexuality to endear himself to Danny ,rubbing the women on his sword hilts felt quite suggestive.
And of course Pod is the greatest sexual being ever made.
I also love it when any of the characters who use their sexuality or beauty as a crutch have their good looks taken away from them. It forces them to depend on their other traits as a means of achieving their goals
The Pod comment was just a jab at the TV show, I'm pretty sure Pod is a virgin in the books
Idk if i would call the dream teora had a dragon dream in the same way dany and tyrion have them.
Teora dreamed of dragons dancing- this could just be a metaphor for dany and faegon fighting a targ civil war.
Dany and Tyrion dream of riding and becoming dragons, or having dragon like characteristics.
Idk, seems like a small but significant distinction and to me reads as the author trying to lay false trails so to speak.
i was sure u would end arianna 1 in this as the 2nd chapter is longer with more story in it
I know, it's a long shot, but do you think there is a connection betweet house yronwood and iron born in general?
Teora Toland has a dragon sigil on her house, what's to say there isn't a connection between the Tolands and dragons?
I think you look at things too often from a modern perspective, it is not weird that Daemon believes firmly in the death of Aegon; most everything that people know in Westeros is by hearsay. If anything, NOT believing that Aegon is dead would be considered weird.
another chapter where characters think and nothing happens. these books will never finish.
Hi Preston, just wanted to ask are you going to watch the show this year? I'm honestly a bit conflicted as with the possibility of winds getting closer I really don't want anything more spoiled in regards to the big picture of the books
But at the same time... HYPPPE IS COMMING
Everyone, prepare the tinfoil hats and notepads!
I never take mine off
You forgot the line where Arianne asks Daemon to share a bed -it kind of threw me. I don't know how you would fix it...
Dornish Daenerys conquered Dorne with her massive hand 17:16
IDK, Isn't it possible that one of Daenary's (who married into House Martell a century ago) descendants married into House Tolland? You say we have no reason to believe she has any Targaryen blood... but who really knows?
notification squad!
Pretty big leap from the mere mention of Humors to concluding that the girl is being leeched.
He makes a lot of big leaps. Take nothing of his analyses at face value. He imparts too many of his risky inferences.
Quentyn lives!!!.....thisisknown.
The same Daemon from Oberyn's fight?
If Quentyn is really resemblance of Old man Martin, we all know that his gonna have a happy ending on his own way. Like fuck, if im gonna make fictional story of me atleast I should have a happy ending.
Doran wants Quentyn, Arianne, and the Sand Snakes all dead, and blame it all on them being angry at his plan to marry the lowest heir, Trystane, to Myrcella. It's his way of rooting out the venom from his House, and to demonstrate how honest his proposal is to King's Landing. Who could doubt his honesty, if his two other heirs and Oberyn's children all died seemingly trying to opposite it? All will be blamed on Ellaria. Any attempt to unite with Daenerys is as such checkmated, and no differently with Aegon. Dorne has to support his plan, or fall into chaos. Doran cares for the children of Dorne as a whole, represented by the water garden's children, not his own blood. He wants peace.
When the f..... are we going to get Winds of winter, why is Georgey boy doing this to me
fresh off the mic. noice.
Teora could very well be a descendant of the Dornish Danaeris. Not that I genuinely believe blood has any real merit in the story, but it's a possibility nonetheless.
Maybe Doran just sent a cross section of Dorne in his choice of the company. And a company made up of healthy skeptics to judge with sober eyes Aegon and his chances And it sounds like Arianne just doesn't like the thought of Quinten out ranking her. She's busy counted QM's money instead of her own and getting jealous.
Woohoo!
Why is Shireen having prophetic dreams about dragons?
Arianne will ditch Aegon and go for Chad Summerchild instead.