I learned a lot the cosmology of Ben 10 is even way cooler than I thought. Alien scaling above it's own kind. I also didn't know celestial sapiens was above the cantameleon and that far above them. I thought it was closer
Yeah they thought it was impossible to get through the barrier that Alien X had no problem with and it makes sense that they think that because the barrier stops a hyper versal super cosmic big bang
I am glad someone finally put this all together in one place. For the longest time I thought of it as.... Narrative Narrative Properties (Art Style/Voice Actors) Forge of Creation Naljians 26 Dimensions + Timelines Universe But even that was an oversimplification that did not include concepts like the Rex Universe or Ledgerdomain
The reason why I didn’t really talk about the Cosmic mom was that she only says that 26 spatiotemporal dimensions that matter exist not that she is that level herself, so where she fits in the cosmology is completely speculative, she could be another 5th dimensional being like the contumelia although she does say she’s going to the “Lower dimensions” implying multiple but who knows
the best highball for ben 10 cosmology is proof for type 4 multiverse and the verse getting scaled to boundless, with Alien X being high outerversal and the forge of creation itself being boundless. the collective conscious of all celestial sapiens might be boundless too but thats a headcanon... narratively speaking Ben's Alien X celestialsapient DNA sample is the peak of the species HOWEVER he should be the strongest celestialsapient mainly because he has more metaphysical "voices" inside of him since the galactic gladiator is described as decisive we can assume he has only one consciousness like baby celestialsapiens and adults having 2 voices and Ben being the exception having 3. Ultimate Alien X as a concept is completely unknown, the best bet for how it would work is somehow all celestialsapiens agree to merge into Ben's form which would be the only method for him to get stronger in any meaningful way.
I think Ultimate wouldn’t do anything, it’s described in supplementary material as simulating the DNA going through 1 million years of the “worst possible conditions” and not only is Alien X outside of time but even other’s of his kind haven’t been able to hurt him, he’s certainly not going to benefit from training
@@kaliyuga14surfer88 Also its stated Cosmic Gladiator's personalities actually agreed on something. So he has less problems at decisions until when ben duplicated himself to give him "more decisions" so he would have a hard time
I was scared you'd skip the +26 Dimensional scaling for Alien X, but you got it, a lot of people miss it and regard him as Universal+ at best My only gripe is your scaling for Lucifer Morningstar and The Presence, because of the DC Cosmology they would reach High Outerversal easily
I did specify the vertigo cosmology to be completely fair but yeah even before the 26D arguments came out I had always thought about how the celestial sapien sword outscaled the 5D contumelia if I had my channel when I thought of that it would've been breaking news lol
Alien X overpowering Contamelia tech alone should be extremely notable lmao, 5D barrier cut open by a sword made of celestialsapien DNA. but yeah no they're *definitely* not Multiversal or higher
It’s not 5D tech though it spawns a hyper timeline that contains at least 26 spatiotemporal dimensions, the same way humans can make a bomb that’s way stronger than ourselves, 5D beings can do the same and the barrier is even stronger than the bomb lol, just the chronosapien time bomb is low complex multiversal and Alien X is piercing through impossible barriers before space even existed
The Contamelia couldn't pierce the barrier on their ship yet Alien X could, that's my point. The barrier being stronger than the people who made it doesn't really affect my point (unless im grossly misreading your comment, sorry if that's the case lol)
@@ZeeMid The bomb and the barrier are several levels of infinity stronger, the people who know how to make a bomb and barrier that can generate and withstand the force to create time itself and several spatial dimensions weren't knowledgable or smart enough to understand celestial sapiens like Alien X, they just said it was impossible and didn't know how to react when it happened, they were just saying that they couldn't break it, they are saying it cannot be broken
@@Cosmicangel36 I’ve done casual research on DC Marvel, all sorts of stuff due to personal interest over the years, mxy is pretty famously a 5th dimensional imp but if I did some research there’s a good chance he’s even greater when you consider how powerful emperor joker was
And if we'll highball Alien X he'll be Low 1A, cause in Ben 10 aleph 0 exist(professor Paradox backstory), also there is computer simulation inside omnitrix and universes follows different laws of physics(here is a quote by Paradox:That is the next universe over i don't like it at all the physics are terrible counterintuitive. And there are infinite dimensions, so i doubt that the universe Paradox was talking about is the only one). This is basically a type 4 multiverse. If i remember correctly it scales to Low 1A(if not higher)
I really like this video, but I think alien X scales much higher just consider this a highballed alien X in the episode paradox we see the foundation of reality as mathematical equations and in the background we see aleph null and in omniverse albedo who at the time of saying this is a hyper evolved galvan with azmuths intelligence stated "no not universal not even multiversal but an omniversal" this scales bens cosmology to high outerversal in the episode ben again eon gets a hold of Professor Paradox's chrononavigator and was threatening to destroy the entire cosmology in Professor Paradox's own words "on the contrary I warned you stop this now before all of existence is destroyed" and this was just from eon standing there he wasn't even trying to destroy anything this directly scales Professor Paradox to high outerversal at the very least but you can make a case for him scaling to boundless due to the lack of effort it took This same paradox calls a baby selestialsapien omnipotent meaning even a baby selestialsapien is unbeatable from Paradox's perspective this baby selestialsapien scales below the galactic gladiator who scales below alien X its stated multiple times that ben transforms into the prime version of every species and its shown with bullfrag and kickin hawk meaning alien X is stronger than any other selestialsapien Conclusion: Alien X should scale to tier 0 boundless with ease In other words, hal jordan doesn't stand a chance, and I'm still salty 5 years later
I like the ideas but I personally go with what I consider to be a bit more consistent and boundless or omnipotent isn't very realistic for a character who is just a member of an entire race of similar creatures, not to mention that they are bound by having to agree, needing Ben to use the Omnitrix to meet with them, they could be undone against their will by Paradox, etc. you can't scale up to boundless from anywhere because to be boundless is to be above scaling and calculation
@TwistedCarnage I'm not saying I think alien X is omnipotent in fact i think that there are characters that could beat alien X even if you scale alien X to boundless. I only said that to demonstrate that despite Professor Paradox being extremely powerful, he stands no chance against a baby Selestialsapien The whole paradox was able to detransform alien X. This feat was done before ben had control of alien X, and it would be unlikely to work if paradox tried this in omniverse and even if it did as I said before you could make the argument that professor paradox scales to boundless so a boundless being, being able to untransform alien X while off guard and weakened doesn't say much I don't see how ben having to use the omnitrix to access alien X has anything to do with this scaling
@@alphawolf8503 Boundless would mean that nothing could enforce any kind of restriction, both paradox and Alien X are restricted beings in measurable ways, Alien X is bound by deliberation and Paradox is bound by the strange time rules that he and eon are always whining about
@TwistedCarnage 1. Alien X isn't bound by deliberation anymore. ben has complete control of alien X as of omniverse, and might I add, nor does the baby selestialsapien, because they haven't developed there personalities yet 2. This is more my interpretation to be fair but I always thought that these rules they talk about doesn't mean they can't do it it means they choose not to for example paradox says he isn't allowed to be within 500 light years of any selestialsapien but he proceeds to do that very thing twice in the same episode or in other words having a sword and choosing not to use it is different to having no sword at all
why is the whole video so dark, i dont mean the context, evil or anything, i mean the whole video is almost as in-comprihensaby pitch back as all of alien force
@@adora_burst8143 yeah that was criminal, they mention the Sotobro effect and that Alien X exists outside of time but then have green lantern just time travel and snip his arm off, I guess GL is hyperversal and gets countered by the colour yellow
I used to not be sure if alien X could beat super sonic (because of Solaris), then I watched this video. remind me again how Green lantern won with a pair of F***ING SCISSORS!
Okay first off that statement about three aliens being stronger than Alien X is contradicted and retconned. It has been by multiple statements from scans, characters within the show and even the writers and creators said that Celestialsapiens are the strongest in the verse. There’s a reason why Aggregor went after a baby alien x
Second Derrick J Wyatt isn’t really reliable. The man isn’t the writer nor creator of Ben 10 just the art director. He’s full of contradictions, tends to forget things and even admitted that his statements are jokes
@@TwistedCarnageWell people say it's retconned after UA Forge of Creation episode showing Celestialsapiens above everything else. Also just a quick question, can Celestialsapiens (Alien X in general) at least extreme diff the likes of Beyonder, Dr. Manhattan, Lucifer, etc. Cuz people say Marvel and DC cosmology is bigger than Ben 10's. But considering Ben's Battle IQ when defeating Galactic Gladiator I think he definitely extreme diff them.
@ it’s hard to tell generally without looking into it but at these levels it’ll almost always be a stomp based on stat checks, when we talk about dimensional tiering, just one step up can be legit infinitely more powerful than the last, but most generous interpretations of Alien X are very hard to match.
You can tell the Null Void is infinite in size by how the prisoners there made a device that would break through the wall of the Null Void to let them out. Not a portal projector, a wall destroyer, meaning it needs to hit a wall, which is impossible if the dimension is infinite in size. You can tell the Ben 10 universe is infinite in size by the finite appearance from the space beyond it. Not to mention that it means that Feedback somehow simultaneously can and cannot handle infinite amounts of energy. If he can, he wouldn't be holding a ball of energy between his hands, but if he could not, he wouldn't be able to control the energy to begin with. As this is a contradiction, the premise itself must be wrong, meaning that the universe is not infinite in size even from its conception by the Annihilargh. Speaking of, there is no appearance of dimensions like the Ledgerdomain within the creation of the universe, meaning it isn't part of it. That is supported by how Gwen already scanned the universe multiple times looking for someone and then found them in the Ledgerdomain when bothered into looking again. If Ledgerdomain was part of the universe, then Gwen would have found them already. This is supported by how magic exists in Ben 10's world: someone was able to access the Ledgerdomain and begin drawing upon its magic, causing the dimension to open up more and begin leaking out its magic to the universe, which eventually resulted in people like Hex and Charmcaster having magical abilities. This is also supported by the rumors of Ben recreating the universe to begin with. Those are impossible when the universe was destroyed and then recreated in a position before the bomb went off, hence the dud comment. Those rumors can only exist if there are people outside of the universe able to notice the event, like the Null Void residents. So none of the other dimensions were affected by the Annihilargh destroying the universe, nor are any of those other dimensions seen during the creation of the universe by an Annihilargh. No, it is only the Forge of Creation that is called out as a place that requires Paradox's powers or the Map of Infinity to reach if you weren't yourself a Celestialsapien. And the Forge of Creation's separation is due to the chronolock that Paradox himself placed around it, hence why a basic space ship can just fly to the Forge of Creation without issue and why universes are just floating around like physical lights rather than being more abstract. And Clockwork didn't reverse the Chronosapien Time Bomb, he just sucked up the Sotobro Effect from the bomb's explosion. Since a cause can do nothing without an effect, this is why the bomb isn't brought back, yet what it had destroyed it. This is particularly interesting because Ben 10,000 was destroyed in the air, yet he is brought back on the ground, further supporting that Clockwork is simply using manipulation to remove a time effect, making it so that things now act like the effect never occurred, thus Ben 10,000 would be back on the ground after his jump or simply never jumped to begin with. The Timestream is just the multiverse of timelines, hence why Paradox separates from his talk about alternate realities and dimensions to one about how the Prime timelines branches out into variants. This is further supported by the fact that Paradox, after the Chronosapien Time Bomb goes off, tells No Watch Ben has destroyed the Timestream, leaving his timeline to be like a leaf without a tree, and yet has no mention about it affecting other realities. Which actually means you contradict yourself by saying that the Chronosapien Time Bomb affected everything but the space beyond, which houses places you claim were destroyed. Not to mention the Timestream is proven not to be so encompassing. After all, Maltruant states that Azmuth is too smart to become evil, which he says is true for every timeline. This is impossible if every possibility exists, as every possibility includes Azmuth being evil despite his genius or Azmuth being less intelligent enough to be evil. Those possibilities are removed by Maltruant's statement, which heavily explains why the timelines only branch out by Ben and the Omnitrix. It is variants on Ben that give larger scopes of change for the timelines, not the other way around. This is why the series that heavily explores these timelines is called "Omniverse." It is a series about the Omnitrix multiverse. Which is supported by how Albedo gaining Azmuth's intelligence says, after seeing on an Omniversal scale, that destroying Ben would be meaningless, as there are variants that will continue to exist, which means Ben still exists. If he was looking at an omniversal scale, he would see realities that lack a Ben Tennyson. And way to overcomplicate how Paradox helped No Watch Ben fix things. Given that No Watch Ben had to work to make how the original series started play out, it means that the Chronosapien Time Bomb destroyed all other universes besides a timeline where no one got the Omnitrix by severing the events that made getting the watch possible, instantly killing all variants where it happened. Or, to simplify even further, the Chronosapien Time Bomb just destroyed the timelines where they stood, not the past before the events that destroyed them. And there is no evidence that the 26 dimensions mentioned by the Naljians are confined in any way to the cosmology we know. There is actually no evidence that the Naljians themselves are 26D, as the only difference between them and our String Theory about 26 dimensions is that they know that these dimensions exists for a fact rather than as a theory. If the shield is impossible to turn off, then the Contimella who use it to protect themselves cannot put their Annihilarghs into it, as it would be constantly on and prevent them from putting something within it. Oh yeah, and as you kindly showed us, Chromastone was physically strong enough to move the barrier once it was pierced by the Celestialsapien sword, which would not be any weaker than Alien X itself given that Skurd has never replicated an alien's power at a weaker power level than if Ben turned into the alien himself. That's actually the purpose of his inclusion, to give Ben a way to use more alien powers without doing hybrid aliens. If Alien X is truly so above the Annihilargh as you claim, then it would have been able to stop it or fix the universe. The former is outright denied as possible by Bellicus and Serena, and the latter got no response from either personality, forcing Ben to ask again and only get a deflection for a response. Not to mention that the Annihilargh is consistently talked about in universe terms, even by Maltruant, the being who gives Vilgax the Chronosapien Time Bomb to begin with. The Chrono Navigator is not a bomb that goes off and destroys existence. It is a sledgehammer against the support pillars of a building, or in this case, a hole poker in the walls of dimensions. Just like any structure, poking too many holes causes things to collapse in on itself, meaning that while the Chrono Navigator does get a responsibility for the destruction, it isn't because it is powerful enough to destroy it. It isn't like Mister Mxyptlk and Batmite getting into a fight and then destroying the DC multiverse as a consequence of their brawl. And interesting that you ignored how the writing team has stated that Alien X itself is not omnipotent. Which is 100% proven by the inability to affect universal destruction. Yeah, the cosmogoly of Ben 10 proves that Alien X is only universal. If he was as powerful as you claim, then the Omnitrix's transformation failsafe would have activated to turn Ben into Alien X and save him from the Chronosapien Time Bomb, which you already have established in your video to be lower than the Annihilargh. Which again contradicts with Maltruant for the reasons I already wrote. Galactic Gladiator is equally unharmed by Alien X's blows, with the first damage being just from the number of clones stuffed in one hand causing it to explode. This is proven by how all of the clones maintain the exact same pose from the moment that they are released from the exploding hand, meaning that they weren't even fighting their way out. And then Galactic Gladiator apparently lacks the power to escape the pull of a black hole, curious for a being you claim to be omnipotent. To be honest, you doomed yourself the moment you began using words that have no basis in any fictional world to begin with.
I'm going to be completely honest with you I read the first couple of paragraphs and had a few rebuttals but I honestly don't have the time to answer this comment in good faith the way it deserves to be answered just know I heavily disagree and maybe one day we could talk about it on discord but I can't address all this via text right now
Azmuth cant be evil thing actually shown when Albedo absorbed Azmuth's mind/knowledge whatever it called and gained knowledge over not only multiverse but the actual omniverse itself and even said being evil useless. This shows the fact azmuth really smart and has knowledge outside of the multiverse itself so becoming evil wouldnt matter for him since it doesnt gonna change anything.
@@AntError_exist Except that when Albedo sees on an Omniversal scale, he describes how destroying Ben would be pointless because he would continue to exist in other timelines. This still proves my point that the multiverse of timelines is not made up of infinite possibilities, as if it did, we would have an Azmuth either dumb enough to be evil or is evil despite his intelligence. What it is made up of is infinite variations of Ben and the Omnitrix, hence its name of "Omniverse."
@@justinalicea1590 Like you said, then there must be. Becasue remember there still "universes" other than "timelines" in Ben 10 Cosmology. Generator Rex's, Secret Saturday's Cosmologies also coexist inside Ben 10 Cosmology together Albedo saw the scale of "omniverse" yeah but not all of it. (he didnt see the whole universes out there.) Plus a character can be still smart in every possiblity.
Some people even after watching this video will say "alien x is universal+ at best"
Facts like it’s 2024 and people still thinking he’s universal
@@FireArtVids21totally agree 💯
He is hyperversal
@@BaranSural-zj3tj i can get him to outer
@@mhanimations-vh2lg the writer of Ultimate alien Dwayne mucduffie said that alien x is not the most powerful alien in the watch
I learned a lot the cosmology of Ben 10 is even way cooler than I thought. Alien scaling above it's own kind. I also didn't know celestial sapiens was above the cantameleon and that far above them. I thought it was closer
Great video
Yeah they thought it was impossible to get through the barrier that Alien X had no problem with and it makes sense that they think that because the barrier stops a hyper versal super cosmic big bang
I am glad someone finally put this all together in one place. For the longest time I thought of it as....
Narrative
Narrative Properties (Art Style/Voice Actors)
Forge of Creation
Naljians
26 Dimensions +
Timelines
Universe
But even that was an oversimplification that did not include concepts like the Rex Universe or Ledgerdomain
The reason why I didn’t really talk about the Cosmic mom was that she only says that 26 spatiotemporal dimensions that matter exist not that she is that level herself, so where she fits in the cosmology is completely speculative, she could be another 5th dimensional being like the contumelia although she does say she’s going to the “Lower dimensions” implying multiple but who knows
With how goofy some episodes tend to be, you really forget how much of an unstoppable weapon the Omnitrix is if used to its full potential
Wow this was amazing splendid analysis you’re vids are the only ones to make me understand perfectly Great work FAM
someone explain this to death battle
Randy Cunningham isnt glazed enough
Danny Phantom isn't glazed enough
Timmy Turner isn't glazed enough
I'll be happy with any of these
DP is on the list for sure I've considered Timmy but who knows
the best highball for ben 10 cosmology is proof for type 4 multiverse and the verse getting scaled to boundless, with Alien X being high outerversal and the forge of creation itself being boundless. the collective conscious of all celestial sapiens might be boundless too but thats a headcanon...
narratively speaking Ben's Alien X celestialsapient DNA sample is the peak of the species HOWEVER he should be the strongest celestialsapient mainly because he has more metaphysical "voices" inside of him since the galactic gladiator is described as decisive we can assume he has only one consciousness like baby celestialsapiens and adults having 2 voices and Ben being the exception having 3.
Ultimate Alien X as a concept is completely unknown, the best bet for how it would work is somehow all celestialsapiens agree to merge into Ben's form which would be the only method for him to get stronger in any meaningful way.
I think Ultimate wouldn’t do anything, it’s described in supplementary material as simulating the DNA going through 1 million years of the “worst possible conditions” and not only is Alien X outside of time but even other’s of his kind haven’t been able to hurt him, he’s certainly not going to benefit from training
Also I appreciate the highball but I try to consistent evidence
@@TwistedCarnage understandable, love your videos dude keep it up.
@@kaliyuga14surfer88 Also its stated Cosmic Gladiator's personalities actually agreed on something. So he has less problems at decisions until when ben duplicated himself to give him "more decisions" so he would have a hard time
Keep doing more glazing video this series is so entertaining
Hope they make new Ben 10 with three art style combined
I was scared you'd skip the +26 Dimensional scaling for Alien X, but you got it, a lot of people miss it and regard him as Universal+ at best
My only gripe is your scaling for Lucifer Morningstar and The Presence, because of the DC Cosmology they would reach High Outerversal easily
I did specify the vertigo cosmology to be completely fair but yeah even before the 26D arguments came out I had always thought about how the celestial sapien sword outscaled the 5D contumelia if I had my channel when I thought of that it would've been breaking news lol
You should do more Ben 10 videos
this scaling video is better than all bleach scaling videos.
Thank you for the video
Just gonna comment something. Maybe Vs Battles downplays Lucifer and other such characters to 1-C, however they are High Outerversal.
Alien X overpowering Contamelia tech alone should be extremely notable lmao, 5D barrier cut open by a sword made of celestialsapien DNA. but yeah no they're *definitely* not Multiversal or higher
It’s not 5D tech though it spawns a hyper timeline that contains at least 26 spatiotemporal dimensions, the same way humans can make a bomb that’s way stronger than ourselves, 5D beings can do the same and the barrier is even stronger than the bomb lol, just the chronosapien time bomb is low complex multiversal and Alien X is piercing through impossible barriers before space even existed
The Contamelia couldn't pierce the barrier on their ship yet Alien X could, that's my point. The barrier being stronger than the people who made it doesn't really affect my point (unless im grossly misreading your comment, sorry if that's the case lol)
@@ZeeMid The bomb and the barrier are several levels of infinity stronger, the people who know how to make a bomb and barrier that can generate and withstand the force to create time itself and several spatial dimensions weren't knowledgable or smart enough to understand celestial sapiens like Alien X, they just said it was impossible and didn't know how to react when it happened, they were just saying that they couldn't break it, they are saying it cannot be broken
@@ZeeMid Also why should contamelia pierce barrier?
their thing is not getting involved.
Nice video, also do you do dc scaling and where does mxyzptlk scale at ?
@@Cosmicangel36 I’ve done casual research on DC Marvel, all sorts of stuff due to personal interest over the years, mxy is pretty famously a 5th dimensional imp but if I did some research there’s a good chance he’s even greater when you consider how powerful emperor joker was
Cool video
And if we'll highball Alien X he'll be Low 1A, cause in Ben 10 aleph 0 exist(professor Paradox backstory), also there is computer simulation inside omnitrix and universes follows different laws of physics(here is a quote by Paradox:That is the next universe over i don't like it at all the physics are terrible counterintuitive. And there are infinite dimensions, so i doubt that the universe Paradox was talking about is the only one). This is basically a type 4 multiverse. If i remember correctly it scales to Low 1A(if not higher)
I really like this video, but I think alien X scales much higher just consider this a highballed alien X
in the episode paradox we see the foundation of reality as mathematical equations and in the background we see aleph null and in omniverse albedo who at the time of saying this is a hyper evolved galvan with azmuths intelligence stated "no not universal not even multiversal but an omniversal" this scales bens cosmology to high outerversal
in the episode ben again eon gets a hold of Professor Paradox's chrononavigator and was threatening to destroy the entire cosmology in Professor Paradox's own words "on the contrary I warned you stop this now before all of existence is destroyed" and this was just from eon standing there he wasn't even trying to destroy anything this directly scales Professor Paradox to high outerversal at the very least but you can make a case for him scaling to boundless due to the lack of effort it took
This same paradox calls a baby selestialsapien omnipotent meaning even a baby selestialsapien is unbeatable from Paradox's perspective this baby selestialsapien scales below the galactic gladiator who scales below alien X its stated multiple times that ben transforms into the prime version of every species and its shown with bullfrag and kickin hawk meaning alien X is stronger than any other selestialsapien
Conclusion: Alien X should scale to tier 0 boundless with ease
In other words, hal jordan doesn't stand a chance, and I'm still salty 5 years later
I like the ideas but I personally go with what I consider to be a bit more consistent and boundless or omnipotent isn't very realistic for a character who is just a member of an entire race of similar creatures, not to mention that they are bound by having to agree, needing Ben to use the Omnitrix to meet with them, they could be undone against their will by Paradox, etc. you can't scale up to boundless from anywhere because to be boundless is to be above scaling and calculation
@TwistedCarnage I'm not saying I think alien X is omnipotent in fact i think that there are characters that could beat alien X even if you scale alien X to boundless. I only said that to demonstrate that despite Professor Paradox being extremely powerful, he stands no chance against a baby Selestialsapien
The whole paradox was able to detransform alien X. This feat was done before ben had control of alien X, and it would be unlikely to work if paradox tried this in omniverse and even if it did as I said before you could make the argument that professor paradox scales to boundless so a boundless being, being able to untransform alien X while off guard and weakened doesn't say much
I don't see how ben having to use the omnitrix to access alien X has anything to do with this scaling
@@alphawolf8503 Boundless would mean that nothing could enforce any kind of restriction, both paradox and Alien X are restricted beings in measurable ways, Alien X is bound by deliberation and Paradox is bound by the strange time rules that he and eon are always whining about
Yeah, but Bens Alien X is a mutant among his kin, adult Celestialsapiens only have 2 personalities and Ben is the third personality.
@TwistedCarnage 1. Alien X isn't bound by deliberation anymore. ben has complete control of alien X as of omniverse, and might I add, nor does the baby selestialsapien, because they haven't developed there personalities yet
2. This is more my interpretation to be fair but I always thought that these rules they talk about doesn't mean they can't do it it means they choose not to for example paradox says he isn't allowed to be within 500 light years of any selestialsapien but he proceeds to do that very thing twice in the same episode or in other words having a sword and choosing not to use it is different to having no sword at all
Tier?
Megas XLR isn't glaze enough
why is the whole video so dark, i dont mean the context, evil or anything, i mean the whole video is almost as in-comprihensaby pitch back as all of alien force
I use my channel banner as an overlay to help youtube understand that my content is transformative
Do a video glazing the ultimatrix
And somehow Green Lantern won.
@@adora_burst8143 yeah that was criminal, they mention the Sotobro effect and that Alien X exists outside of time but then have green lantern just time travel and snip his arm off, I guess GL is hyperversal and gets countered by the colour yellow
@@TwistedCarnage The Colour yellow is Above all realities
@@corrupt_Lurker Boundless yellow, that's where Saitama gets his hysterical power
Tbh you can argue the Justice League is Outerversal.
I used to not be sure if alien X could beat super sonic (because of Solaris), then I watched this video. remind me again how Green lantern won with a pair of F***ING SCISSORS!
Boundless scissors bro every justice leaguer reverse scales to hyperversal from GL I guess
Except Hyper or Archie Sonic would beat him lol
@@AntError_exist Not unless a new issue released I wasn't aware of
@@TwistedCarnage Archie's feats way above Alien X's tho
Mostly Pre-boot Archie
@@AntError_exist I’m going to be doing research for an Archie sonic video eventually but as far as I know he’s not hyperversal
And keep in mind that there are other aliens in the Omnitrix just as strong if not better than Alien X
Yeah apparently there is at least one stronger alien according to Derrick Jay Wyatt I believe
Okay first off that statement about three aliens being stronger than Alien X is contradicted and retconned. It has been by multiple statements from scans, characters within the show and even the writers and creators said that Celestialsapiens are the strongest in the verse. There’s a reason why Aggregor went after a baby alien x
Second Derrick J Wyatt isn’t really reliable. The man isn’t the writer nor creator of Ben 10 just the art director. He’s full of contradictions, tends to forget things and even admitted that his statements are jokes
@@TwistedCarnageWell people say it's retconned after UA Forge of Creation episode showing Celestialsapiens above everything else.
Also just a quick question, can Celestialsapiens (Alien X in general) at least extreme diff the likes of Beyonder, Dr. Manhattan, Lucifer, etc. Cuz people say Marvel and DC cosmology is bigger than Ben 10's. But considering Ben's Battle IQ when defeating Galactic Gladiator I think he definitely extreme diff them.
@ it’s hard to tell generally without looking into it but at these levels it’ll almost always be a stomp based on stat checks, when we talk about dimensional tiering, just one step up can be legit infinitely more powerful than the last, but most generous interpretations of Alien X are very hard to match.
Bruh Lucifer Morningstar scales to 1A and above not no 1C
No one seems to hear me say "Vertigo Cosmology"
And yet green lantern is supposed to beat him
@@bukunmimurele4053 “supposed to” Death battle isn’t exactly the authority on anything
You can tell the Null Void is infinite in size by how the prisoners there made a device that would break through the wall of the Null Void to let them out. Not a portal projector, a wall destroyer, meaning it needs to hit a wall, which is impossible if the dimension is infinite in size.
You can tell the Ben 10 universe is infinite in size by the finite appearance from the space beyond it. Not to mention that it means that Feedback somehow simultaneously can and cannot handle infinite amounts of energy. If he can, he wouldn't be holding a ball of energy between his hands, but if he could not, he wouldn't be able to control the energy to begin with. As this is a contradiction, the premise itself must be wrong, meaning that the universe is not infinite in size even from its conception by the Annihilargh.
Speaking of, there is no appearance of dimensions like the Ledgerdomain within the creation of the universe, meaning it isn't part of it. That is supported by how Gwen already scanned the universe multiple times looking for someone and then found them in the Ledgerdomain when bothered into looking again. If Ledgerdomain was part of the universe, then Gwen would have found them already. This is supported by how magic exists in Ben 10's world: someone was able to access the Ledgerdomain and begin drawing upon its magic, causing the dimension to open up more and begin leaking out its magic to the universe, which eventually resulted in people like Hex and Charmcaster having magical abilities. This is also supported by the rumors of Ben recreating the universe to begin with. Those are impossible when the universe was destroyed and then recreated in a position before the bomb went off, hence the dud comment. Those rumors can only exist if there are people outside of the universe able to notice the event, like the Null Void residents. So none of the other dimensions were affected by the Annihilargh destroying the universe, nor are any of those other dimensions seen during the creation of the universe by an Annihilargh.
No, it is only the Forge of Creation that is called out as a place that requires Paradox's powers or the Map of Infinity to reach if you weren't yourself a Celestialsapien. And the Forge of Creation's separation is due to the chronolock that Paradox himself placed around it, hence why a basic space ship can just fly to the Forge of Creation without issue and why universes are just floating around like physical lights rather than being more abstract.
And Clockwork didn't reverse the Chronosapien Time Bomb, he just sucked up the Sotobro Effect from the bomb's explosion. Since a cause can do nothing without an effect, this is why the bomb isn't brought back, yet what it had destroyed it. This is particularly interesting because Ben 10,000 was destroyed in the air, yet he is brought back on the ground, further supporting that Clockwork is simply using manipulation to remove a time effect, making it so that things now act like the effect never occurred, thus Ben 10,000 would be back on the ground after his jump or simply never jumped to begin with.
The Timestream is just the multiverse of timelines, hence why Paradox separates from his talk about alternate realities and dimensions to one about how the Prime timelines branches out into variants. This is further supported by the fact that Paradox, after the Chronosapien Time Bomb goes off, tells No Watch Ben has destroyed the Timestream, leaving his timeline to be like a leaf without a tree, and yet has no mention about it affecting other realities. Which actually means you contradict yourself by saying that the Chronosapien Time Bomb affected everything but the space beyond, which houses places you claim were destroyed.
Not to mention the Timestream is proven not to be so encompassing. After all, Maltruant states that Azmuth is too smart to become evil, which he says is true for every timeline. This is impossible if every possibility exists, as every possibility includes Azmuth being evil despite his genius or Azmuth being less intelligent enough to be evil. Those possibilities are removed by Maltruant's statement, which heavily explains why the timelines only branch out by Ben and the Omnitrix. It is variants on Ben that give larger scopes of change for the timelines, not the other way around. This is why the series that heavily explores these timelines is called "Omniverse." It is a series about the Omnitrix multiverse. Which is supported by how Albedo gaining Azmuth's intelligence says, after seeing on an Omniversal scale, that destroying Ben would be meaningless, as there are variants that will continue to exist, which means Ben still exists. If he was looking at an omniversal scale, he would see realities that lack a Ben Tennyson.
And way to overcomplicate how Paradox helped No Watch Ben fix things. Given that No Watch Ben had to work to make how the original series started play out, it means that the Chronosapien Time Bomb destroyed all other universes besides a timeline where no one got the Omnitrix by severing the events that made getting the watch possible, instantly killing all variants where it happened. Or, to simplify even further, the Chronosapien Time Bomb just destroyed the timelines where they stood, not the past before the events that destroyed them.
And there is no evidence that the 26 dimensions mentioned by the Naljians are confined in any way to the cosmology we know. There is actually no evidence that the Naljians themselves are 26D, as the only difference between them and our String Theory about 26 dimensions is that they know that these dimensions exists for a fact rather than as a theory.
If the shield is impossible to turn off, then the Contimella who use it to protect themselves cannot put their Annihilarghs into it, as it would be constantly on and prevent them from putting something within it. Oh yeah, and as you kindly showed us, Chromastone was physically strong enough to move the barrier once it was pierced by the Celestialsapien sword, which would not be any weaker than Alien X itself given that Skurd has never replicated an alien's power at a weaker power level than if Ben turned into the alien himself. That's actually the purpose of his inclusion, to give Ben a way to use more alien powers without doing hybrid aliens.
If Alien X is truly so above the Annihilargh as you claim, then it would have been able to stop it or fix the universe. The former is outright denied as possible by Bellicus and Serena, and the latter got no response from either personality, forcing Ben to ask again and only get a deflection for a response. Not to mention that the Annihilargh is consistently talked about in universe terms, even by Maltruant, the being who gives Vilgax the Chronosapien Time Bomb to begin with.
The Chrono Navigator is not a bomb that goes off and destroys existence. It is a sledgehammer against the support pillars of a building, or in this case, a hole poker in the walls of dimensions. Just like any structure, poking too many holes causes things to collapse in on itself, meaning that while the Chrono Navigator does get a responsibility for the destruction, it isn't because it is powerful enough to destroy it. It isn't like Mister Mxyptlk and Batmite getting into a fight and then destroying the DC multiverse as a consequence of their brawl.
And interesting that you ignored how the writing team has stated that Alien X itself is not omnipotent. Which is 100% proven by the inability to affect universal destruction.
Yeah, the cosmogoly of Ben 10 proves that Alien X is only universal. If he was as powerful as you claim, then the Omnitrix's transformation failsafe would have activated to turn Ben into Alien X and save him from the Chronosapien Time Bomb, which you already have established in your video to be lower than the Annihilargh. Which again contradicts with Maltruant for the reasons I already wrote.
Galactic Gladiator is equally unharmed by Alien X's blows, with the first damage being just from the number of clones stuffed in one hand causing it to explode. This is proven by how all of the clones maintain the exact same pose from the moment that they are released from the exploding hand, meaning that they weren't even fighting their way out. And then Galactic Gladiator apparently lacks the power to escape the pull of a black hole, curious for a being you claim to be omnipotent.
To be honest, you doomed yourself the moment you began using words that have no basis in any fictional world to begin with.
I'm going to be completely honest with you I read the first couple of paragraphs and had a few rebuttals but I honestly don't have the time to answer this comment in good faith the way it deserves to be answered just know I heavily disagree and maybe one day we could talk about it on discord but I can't address all this via text right now
Please drop your discord username
I want to debate about it
Azmuth cant be evil thing actually shown when Albedo absorbed Azmuth's mind/knowledge whatever it called and gained knowledge over not only multiverse but the actual omniverse itself and even said being evil useless.
This shows the fact azmuth really smart and has knowledge outside of the multiverse itself so becoming evil wouldnt matter for him since it doesnt gonna change anything.
@@AntError_exist Except that when Albedo sees on an Omniversal scale, he describes how destroying Ben would be pointless because he would continue to exist in other timelines. This still proves my point that the multiverse of timelines is not made up of infinite possibilities, as if it did, we would have an Azmuth either dumb enough to be evil or is evil despite his intelligence. What it is made up of is infinite variations of Ben and the Omnitrix, hence its name of "Omniverse."
@@justinalicea1590 Like you said, then there must be.
Becasue remember there still "universes" other than "timelines" in Ben 10 Cosmology.
Generator Rex's, Secret Saturday's Cosmologies also coexist inside Ben 10 Cosmology together
Albedo saw the scale of "omniverse" yeah but not all of it. (he didnt see the whole universes out there.)
Plus a character can be still smart in every possiblity.