Suicide Squad is a bad movie
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You don’t understand. This is Katana. She’s got my back. I would advise not getting killed by her. Her sword traps the souls of its victims.
*Cringes into the fetal position*
Somehow, Palpatine returned
@@keanuxu5435 *Cringes into a ball like Jerry in that one episode of Rick and Morty*
She'll kill all of you with a single sword slice like mowing the lawn.
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Ben, they're in camo. They're invisible. Nobody could see them, except for the floating American flag patches
My biggest beef is that Waller’s reasoning for putting together the group is “what if we face a Superman-level threat?” Which is fine, but who does she put on the team? A guy who shoots good, a guy who climbs good, a guy who boomerangs good, an insane lady, and a guy with a skin condition. El Diablo and Enchantress are the only two who can come reasonably close to taking down a threat on Superman’s level and Enchantress ends up being the threat.
Not only does it make no sense, but it makes Amanda Waller, one of the most ruthless and intelligent women in comics, look like a complete clown.
I genuinely forgot this was a thing in that movie, doesn’t help that almost everything was dark as a void. I’m not even willing to go back and watch it to remind myself fully.
Yeah the movie was dumb for many reasons. Although to be fair, the US military blatantly doing illegal things and then just going "nu uh" (until a few years later when they just go "oh yeah, we did that. And?") is pretty normal 😂
Yeah pretty wild to think about the fact that every once in a while the us government will just openly go “oh hey by the way, wanna hear something funny? About 30 years ago we (insert the most heinous shit you’ve ever heard) lol yeah we got a lil quirky there didn’t we?”
@@Vgamer311 I occasionally go back to that video that's just Yakko's world but it's only countries the US has directly committed terrorist action in to overthrow democratically elected leaders and replace them with vile dictators, video, and it's like 1/3 the length of the original song, which means the US has destroyed nations and created slavery in literally approximately 1/3 of the world.
They haven't been that blatantly obvious about it, was the point he was making.
The sequel is so much better. Not only do the writers address the military fighting alongside Task Force X in the opening, but the prominent members, such as Rick Flag, are in disguise to blend in with his surroundings.
0:34 "access to abilities no normal person could have". Let's look at this particular lineup of the Squad, ok?
Harley Quinn, Deadshot, Captain Boomerang, Killer Croc, El Diablo. Oh yeah, also slipknot. I don't get why these are the villains you'd pick to fight the Enchantress. Between them, you have an expert marksman, a gymnast/psychologist, a guy who specializes in bladed weapons, an escape expert, and two _actual_ superhumans. Feels like, if you're already using military types, a black ops squadron can replace every member except Diablo and maybe Croc, with a lot less flight risk.
Oh yeah, and Diablo, your big gun, is a pacifist. Almost forgot that part.
I mean tbf Deadshot has unparalleled aim, (unless you count like Green Arrow) and Captain Boomerang fights a speedster on a bi-weekly basis, and Harley Quinn has to deal with _Batman_ they're a bit better than some special ops guys.
Waller even murders all her top secret employees like what about all those other soldiers?
Yeah, if someone found themself with someone like Waller, it's probably better to just frag themself right there and maybe take her to the Great Beyond.
The soldiers were camouflaged, it's like when a kid uses a camo shorts, they become fucking invisible
Suicide Squad is a bad movie.
The Suicide Squas is a good movie.
ThIs Is sLiPkNoT tHe maN WhO cAn CliMb AnYThiNG
Mayhaps the US government is the reason villains keep escaping from Arkham and stuff. They want a cover for how their squad keeps getting out of prison.
Hey now, Katana had to be there. She had Rick's back.
Also insane that the mission they're on is to stop Enchantress, who's only a threat because Waller tried to use her for the fucking squad
Secret operations with no oversight causing issues?
Oh no. How unexpected. /irony
@@christopherg2347 If the only job the operation has is to solve a problem that exists because the operation was created, then it's a shit operation
@@yusufkadar Oh no. How unexpected. /faked shock
@@yusufkadar well duh, but that’s not a movie criticism. The movie agrees with you, that’s the point. It’s still an awful film, don’t get me wrong, but its quality is not diminished by the fact that the squad is kinda a failed operation
@@puffena9013 I never said that's what made it a bad movie. I'm saying it's a dumb thing to happen in general
Waller really is a moron in this movie.
She’s also a sociopath, and potential psycho, so that’s kinda good thing
Waller is Nick Fury’s evil twin. She’s also boring.
Also if the whole point of the Suicide Squad is to have a team to do covert illegal activity so the government can I deniability, why are they sending them in to fight the evil witch who’s turning people into zombies and trying to destroy the world? That’s a job for a regular superhero. It’s like they’re missing the whole point of what the Suicide Squad is for.
Yes.
Where is superman in this moment?
Or Doctor Fate? (feels like his area of expertise)
Well you gotta remember the point wasn't actually to _stop_ enchantress, it was to destroy evidence and get waller outta there. The original plan was to destroy everything and then wait for Superman to show up
@@chaoticdetectivepeachbut I'm pretty sure supes was dead in that movie, just saying
They need canon fodder to show how tough the suicide squad members are! The soldiers are emotional support redshirts!
So its basically the French Foregin Legion but with supervillains
Pretty sure the FFL didn’t put bombs in the heads of their soldiers, lol.
Your content is always good, but these kinds of videos are always top tier peak for me
It KIND of works when you consider what their mission actually is, which is to get Waller out of the city. The reason it works is because they are basically the only asset she can grab that can get to her and is under her command. In other words, the whole mission is a haphazard clusterf***, and that was the point.
Problem is, the MOVIE was a haphazard clusterf***, so it didn't get across the idea well enough. Or anything really. That was a terribly put together movie.
Mate, I have been saying this since the movie came out! I was like "ok, but why have a team if you have the army? It defeats the point. With the exception of like, 3 people, Task Force X is made up of regular people with weapons." Why have the team at that point?
I mean the simple answer is then it wouldn't be a movie about the suicide squad, but also technically the point was to just destroy evidence and help Waller escape, which I mean typically you'd send a bunch of expendables to do that... Aka the military (in the governments eyes obviously)... Yea they really should have picked a better villain for that movie.
Damn I wish I could just sit down and talk movies with this guy. Based af takes
I mean they could probably have had plain clothes agents in whatever area the squad is in, thus maintaining secrecy while having a contingency, should the squad go rogue
The contingency is still just the bomb though? That's like the whole point of the suicide squad, having extra agents in there just messes with the chemistry between the characters
That's dumb but for me it's always been the editing tragedy that stuck out the most. The movie was clearly absolutely butchered to be "more fun". I'd like to see the movie as originally intended but we probably never will.
The moment when the helicopter crashes and they all walk out unscathed took me right out of what I was barely in. Joker sucked amd didnt have any reason to be in the movie. He only distracted from the narrative. And the movie execs were chasing GOTGs success and made it a series of bad jokes and music videos.
The Sequel is such a better movie.
Yeah, that movie was dumb as hell. Add "the" to the beginning and suddenly it's awesome.
Adding The probably improved it a small bit but a pretty huge reason was the script was better and didn't have a massive re tooling like with the 2016 Suicide Squad
I genuinely love how they made the better movie have virtually the same name so it just replaces the old one lolll
@@JacksonLane02 It's a joke my dude
*access to abilities no normal human should have* ah you mean the team with a psycho,therapist and *checks notes* a Australian guy who throws boomerangs? Guy who shoots good. I mean there was a guy who could shoot fire and a croc man but yes certainly the people too stop world ending threats.
Yes. Captain Boomerang's hand-eye coordination is bananas. Same for deadshot, but I dislike DS' portrayal only on the grounds that the mask saw way too little screentime and he was too nice. Like, he was being "obstinate" the whole time, but no more than like...an average high schooler.
@MintyDreams Yea Deadshots whole thing is that he's like a huge asshat, that's a really good shot. It was there a bit in his introduction, but honestly the Suicide Squad got along too well, they typically fight way more
I mean theres also the other thing of Harley Quinn being on this team...with a bat.
Superman turned evil, send in that guy who throwns boomerangs real good.
@@an8strengthkobold360Tbf he throws Boomerangs so good he can fight _the Flash_ that's gotta count for something especially since the Flash is wayyyyyy faster than Superman
I am surprised this is coming out now.
Probably because of the game releasing.
I just saw it lol
It's crazy how the 2016 movie was terrible in almost every way but the 2021 movie is one of the best comic book movies ever made.
Almost like IP has nothing to do with whether a movie is good or not
Because the director knew how to use the characters.
For the same reason that this f***ing movie had, like, three different helicopter crashes. Pretty sure that was because Charles Roven or Richard Suckle wanted to give the VFX Dev who does Helicopter crashes for Movies some work. Makes sense that there's also Useless American Soldier Fodder Extras LLC., who also required some paychecks.
I mean, hey the helicopters were just flown by Joseph Jostar ok, that's why they kept crashing.
Thank god they made the newer film
The newer film was worse to me. I can watch the first one multiple times and enjoy it, I can't the 2nd. 2nd one had a lotta good jokes and action but I don't think it was a better movie and I will die in that hill.
Speaking of Jared Leto:
Good news: There's gonna be a 3rd Tron movie.
Bad news: Jared Leto is in it.
At least we're getting one, I guess.
There was a second Tron movie???
Yeah.
It is surprising how hollywood just CAN'T get so much of DC (or marvel) right...
at all.
Especially considering the MULTITUDE of animated series that has gotten them right.
His logic is undeniable 😂
I also genuinely can’t figure out what Harley is supposed to bring to the table that like. A well trained agent couldn’t. Like, logically, she’s literally just a good fighter but less reliable. That’s it. That’s her whole thing. I don’t get Boomerang but like, at LEAST he’s specialised. If *nothing else* she’s just… less dependable. That’s all she brings.
The only argument I could come up with on my head is that since she’s clinically insane she can think in a different way than most soldiers, making her some sort of out of the box thinker? Even then that’s not that good of an argument TBH
She's a psychiatrist, so she knows how to get into someone's head. She has demolitions & IED experience because of the Joker. She's unpredictable and, despite the goofy demeanor, is actually the smartest one in that group (and I'm including their operative handler).
Also, she's an expert at causing distractions.
The Suicide Squad video game removing fan service from Harley Quinn makes her "inclusion" in that video game entirely pointless since she isn't an expert in martial arts or military training like the second animated Suicide Squad film, and unless she's a pirate her off the walls insanity isn't useful in convert operations@@Nomadik.
@@Nomadik right but like, you understand how explosives training and psychological intelligence could be had by like, just a normal, well trained agent, right? And “unpredictable” is actually not a huge plus in the books of a hyper-controlling government agency, I’d think. Like, “I worked under the joker so I understand bombs” shouldn’t really be more desirable than “I was an explosives expert in the military before I switched to covert operations” and “the joker taught me karate so I could distract Robin while he did stuff to Batman” isn’t better than “I learned Krav Maga in the service from an Israeli trainer”. Reasonably, in both cases it should be worse. The other qualities are… fine, I guess? If debatable. She sure doesn’t tend to productively *demonstrate* a lot of smarts. But they don’t really put her over into the “super soldier” column. I certainly wouldn’t think of her when selecting my “in case Superman goes crazy” team.
Extremely expendable? Generally that's the only reason. But they had a bunch of other expendable villains too. A large part of the deal is that they are people the government doesn't mind losing in the least and can easily be blamed should the situation go rogue.
I'm personally of the opinion that while yes, jerred's performance in that movie was bad. The entire movie was so bad that I wish he'd get a shot at doing it again. Just to see if it was him, or just the movie. I don't think anyone's performance in that movie was good.
Yeah exactly. Because the Joker has been a full on crime boss before. So seeing that version of the character would be a nice change if pace from the typical super chaotic version
I think Margot Robbie & the guy who played El Diablo did fine.
@@NomadikThat's Moreso because they could literally f*ck around for 90 minutes, idk poorly acting out Fnaf lore or something incredibly stupid, and release that as a movie and everyone would automatically love it just because their personalities are so automatically magnetic that they're great in everything. Sorta like Keanu Reeves. (Though I'm speaking mostly about Margot Robbie in this case cuz I don't actually remember who played El Diablo, though I figure he's probably similar if he was somehow still good in that movie)
Finally someone said it
The animated movies are better
The DC Animated Movies do everything better
its the us, lots of larpers pretending to be soldiers, not hard to play off
Not only that but American PMC would still probably wear their flag somewhere.
Larpers often aren't in shape or able to use gear properly.
@@richardarriaga6271 same could be said of police, and actual military lol
I don't know why I love suicide squad 16 so much lmfao. It's bad on every measureable level from the editing to the writing to the acting, and yet something in my brain just goes brbrbrbrbrbr
So bad it's good? Like the play in the Producers.
It's loud and has Harley Quinn, it's not a deep masterpiece of any kind, or even _good_ by any stretch of the word, but it's mindlessly entertaining, yk like the Star Wars prequels or Harry Potter, and sometimes that's good enough.
Very good point.
i mean, kinda realistic though
Also, everything else about that movie.
Its a bad movie for sure
Not that I disagree, but I'm going to devil's advocate a bit because overthinking is fun sometimes.
1) Who's going to notice the flags? Civies are already stressed outta their minds because of the WARZONE in an AMERICAN city. They have no idea how to react other than duck and cover.
2) Plausible deniability. 'Sure they got USA flags on... but are those real? Deadshot and Boomerang could have hired mercs! They do that. All the time!' (An easier point to question imo is WHY IS HARLEY HERE? Every villain knows she's batshit crazy. If you really wanted that crazy, where's Joker, the crazy competent one? I could see that being a better point to argue about this sounding fishy)
3) Seriously, WHY IS BOOMERANG AND HARLEY HERE? What do these two chucklefucks provide other than more bodies to draw fire away from the serious assets like Flagg, Deadshot, Killer Croc, and El Diablo? When these bozos don't even loot the guns when they're dropped and insist on using sidearms.... okay... maybe I can excuse Boomerang... barely....
Im farley certain that they were under the assumption that everyone else was dead in the city and on top of that the actual us government sends soldiers with no patches of tags on black ops all the time
His complaint is their wearing of patches not their lack of them but in the same breath you'll see dudes from Academi with US patches and flags.
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YES THANK YOU OH MY GOD IT'S SO ANNOYING
i liked almost everything about the movie, even jerod leto's joker.
I actually really enjoyed both versions
I'll die on the hill that the first movie is better than the second in my eyes.
That is quite the hill to die on my friend 😅
Bro you are unreasonably angry about this. Suicide Squad had no redeemig qualities, what are you trying to save?
I just like to talk about things sometimes
Yes, to all of that. Katana shouldn't be in the movie, but because ASIAN, she's there. Same with El Diablo. Most of his iterations were good guys, but put him in the movie because LATINO.
I have to disagree about El Diablo deserving to be on the squad; it does make sense and it has nothing to do with him being latino. He is a criminal trying to get redemption for his padt actions, which is a common character for the suicide squad to have. Plus, this version of the character has actually been on the suicide squad in the comics, at least during the New 52 run.
@@czarkiddy9543 Yeah, I understand that THIS version of Diablo made sense to be on the squad, but other iterations I read about do not. And there were at least two others that were good. I'm saying they chose THIS version because he was latino.
@humanjukebox107 Where is this claim coming from, though? I don't see any evidence of it being correct when there are alternative and simpler answers for the chouce such as the creative directors trying to recreate the most recent and popular version of the Suicide Squad, the New 52 run, which had this version of El Diablo.
@@czarkiddy9543 I'd say "diversity" is a pretty simple answer for creative directors to make. The very next one that was made didn't have El Diablo in it. Just because the New 52 has a SS with him on it, doesn't mean that the creative directors didn't want to make a "diverse casting" film. Both of our statements can be true.
Inclusion, yay?
Man I don't give two shits, movie was not as bad as people say, yes Jared Leto was a unique Joker people don't like but it was an interesting idea for a Joker and I will die on that hill that gangster Joker is interesting. I also liked how they did his relationship with Harley where they just kinda gave up in the second movie and made Harley Superhuman instead of just an acrobat with weapons. And I don't like the second movie outside of the jokes and action. But even then while the tone felt fitting and had a lotta funny stuff in the first movie, the second movie I didn't know if it was trying to be more comedy or more dark. It was whiplash to see the emotional tone change in 2 seconds randomly. Plus f*ck how they killed Polkadot man. Also people never give props to how nice Deadshot's shooting range scene was or cool stuff like Enchantress' first show up or Diablo's transformation. People give the movie no credit just because they hate Jared Leto's joker.
A Mafi fucking joker would be more interesting than Mr *DAMAGED*
@@theblackoutexplorer2658 He is a gangster bud.