I get too deep into The Incredibles
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Mr. Incredible did demonstrate quite a lot of experience fighting in a jungle…
Only problem is that during the events of The Incredibles, Vietnam either hadn't happened yet or was just about to break out, and Bob would've been *just* too young to serve in the Pacific Theater against Japan.
@@TheRandomCrapSection korea then?
@@userasdf you know what, that absolutely checks out now that you mention it, I totally forgot about the Korean War.
@@TheRandomCrapSectionEveryone does
Something interesting in the DVD extras is the audio log for Elastigirl talking about the quality of her super suit and said something like "You don't want me joining the other team, do you?" With this series taking place in the suped-up 1940's to 1960's, there's no way that wasn't a reference to Soviet Russia. This has the even more interesting implication of Soviet supers and American supers being sent on covert missions against each other all throughout the Cold War
That's kinda cool
That would fit into the arms race going on at the time incredibly (heh) well. Trying to control the most, and most useful, Supers
@@DoctorKidemonas pleas add a , after the first most.
Oh damn
That's certainly an interpretation, but the supers seem to largely act on their own, like independent contractors. It could be that "the other team" means a different team of heroes or a different company. That would also put a layer of separation between the government and the heroes, allowing them to act on their own but if they did something really bad, the government could cut them off. The government would still defend them in a lawsuit because of how much of an asset they are, but if they went off the rails, they'd be able to use the company or heroes as a scapegoat
A lot of people are misunderstanding. Its not that syndrome was surprised that supers can have kids. In an earlier draft of the script it was explicitly stated that the law forbidding them from acting as superheroes ALSO forbids them from (legally) having children
Damn that would have been kinda dark
At best, they might be more in line with firefighters in some cases. Mr. Incredible has been shown to fulfil a variety of duties, so I’d guess some heroes are the poster children, and some are more CIA
That makes sense. There's probably some Supers that aren't even public superheroes and they're like, special forces or something.
The second shooter was elastagirl. They had Oswald shoot at her and she slungshot the bullet into JFK
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It makes so much sense That's why they never found the shooter
Things I noticed in The Incredibles:
Elastigirl/Helen has amazing reflexes. She goes into a fighting stance when Edna’s weapons pop out. She’s a far more clever and inventive fighter than Bob, who is a tank.
Bob wearing his mask to dinner with Mirage is an homage to Denny Colt, The Spirit.
Edna totally knew what Bob was up to. She made Bob’s suit with a transponder to get Bob in trouble. Or saved.
I wonder where Mirage came from. Government? How did she and Syndrome find each other? Let’s not forget she found supers knowing Syndrome was going to kill them.
Syndrome was totally a serial killer.
I like how the film shows that Mr. Incredible isn't just his strength too. He's able to find loopholes to actually help his clients while being all legal with his boss unable to sue him for it, and realises that Gazerbeam was writing something while dying and pieces together that it was Syndrome's password
Supers are pretty heavily implied to be government-made super soldiers, which is why Syndrome was so freaked out when he realized that Mr. and Mrs. Incredible had superpowered children; this wasn't something that had happened before.
They were almost certainly made for war originally (don't tell me that Mr. Incredible didn't have experience fighting in forests based on how he was moving around), and then later got turned into super-cops as a PR move. When that came back to sting them, they disbanded supers almost immediately as a policing force, since giving people that much power and basically the ability to wield it freely is a REALLY bad idea. We're lucky the scandal was something as tame as saving a suicide victim, instead of say, any of a hundred different types of abuse of power.
If only Disney had the balls...
One of the movie’s early concepts was that it was ILLEGAL for Supers to have children, and Bob and Helen were hiding baby Violet from the government.
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But didn't edna say it's normal for a superbaby to have many powers at first and lose them when they grow up or something similar? Because if she knew about that it couldn't have been so unusual for syndrom to not know.
@@Backfisch5927 Government made superbabies could've been a thing.
Syndrome's comment in the first movie upon seeing how Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl having kids make it sound like he didn't think Supers could have kids or at the very least super-powered kids, as well as Bob's stressed reactions to solo-raising a super-powered Jack-Jack discovering his vast array of powers in the second movie, as if Supers being naturally born is a fairly new phenomenon and therefore isn't that well-documented or researched. Almost like how Superheroes don't appear naturally. More like that they were made like Captain America or with the Supes from The Boys. Supers are probably genetically engineered or genetically modified super-soldiers. The two movies are set during the 1960's, Bob is about 45, the oldest Super we've seen is about 60+, it is very possible that Supers were made to win World War 2; to counter the Nazi ideology of Aryan superiority and maybe even act as deterrents.
Wait, how would genetically enhancing people counter eugenicist ideologies?
I guess if there are a few black ones it'd kind of call the race part into question, but still...
@@jaschabull2365 Propaganda. Something like "These Supermen are American and there's nothing you can do about it". Also, maybe the whole generically engineered bit about super-soldiers is kind of on a need-to-know basis, not exactly in the public knowledge.
I think it was on the DVD extras but I once saw a sort of deleted scene (it was done shot for shot as sketches, but was fully voiced) in which Syndrome finds out Mr Incredible married Elastigirl by turning up at their house, then when he hears Jack-Jack crying he says "and you had a kid? Oh, you broke the law Mr Incredible, you know supers aren't supposed to breed."
I don't know if that bit of worldbuilding remained canon when it was cut from the film, but I can imagine it fitting into a thing of the government not wanting new supers to come into existence because they only want the supers THEY made to exist. It's POSSIBLE that supers are just naturally occurring, like you have a baby and there's a 1-in-100,000 chance it'll have superpowers, but I could see that causing absolute mayhem and resulting in supers having a really bad reputation (like mutants in X-Men), whereas in The Incredibles the initial opinion of supers seems to be extremely positive, and the police even seem happy to work with them, which makes me think they were definitely an intentional product of the government. The only reason that the government would want to create superhumans is to use as an asset, and when you create superpowered people as a government asset, that just screams "supersoldier"
There's that DVD feature with a changed storyboard animatic where syndrome breaks into the Parr house at night and surprised to see they have children and says something like "don't you know supers aren't suppose to breed?"
That must be why Edna, a high-class fashionista and well above the pay grade of some random commoner with no connections, was the de facto costume designer for all of the superheroes. It was a government-sponsored position :/
I don’t think she needed the money. She was an eccentric genius fashion designer, who got sick of supermodels and moved to supers. I suspect all she asked for was that they exclusively use her designs so that she can say she’s the one who costumes the heroes of America
@@MasterGriefSr Oh, I absolutely believe that, too
dream job tbh
Congratulations on reinventing Watchmen, even right down to the exact two major real-world atrocities that superheroes were involved in.
I mean I rewatched Incredibles pretty soon after reading Watchmen for the first time and it’s already pretty close
According to the newspaper Bob was reading, The Incredibles takes place in 1962. The USA entered the Vietnam War in 1965. More like you didn't get in deep enough. ;)
This makes me think we should have gotten an Incredibles prequel set during the 60s instead of Incredibles 2
EDIT: I meant 40s/50s
...or that could be The Incredibles 3.
It already takes place in the 60s
@@davidtaylor142 I always figured the prologue of the first Incredibles took place in the 60s, and then the rest of the series after they had kids and stuff took place in the 70s - 80s
I figured that’s why the Incredibles 2 had a more modern aesthetic
@@cartoonishidealism582 the prolonged is during the 40s and 50s. Both incredible movies take place in the mid to late 60s. Thats why all the TVs are black and white
@@davidtaylor142 I see
" do you apply online?" In the '50s?
Pretty sure there weren’t PCs that WEREN’T the size of a room in the fifties, as seen at Mr Incredibles work. It’s plausible.
The behind the scenes features have info on the Supers, and some include recordings of the government agent that helps Bob out recruiting them in interviews. The government also introduced many to Edna for costumes based on those audio clips.
I’ll be homest, I’m pretty sure they stated off like Captain America. Volunteering to serve, and getting selected to become supers. After they were no longer needed on the warfront, the government takes on a role similar to the HPSC in My Hero Academia. Until they get sued. Then they shut it all the way down because the government doesn’t like getting sued.
literally the intro is about how and why all superheroes are registered, the process from Mr Incredible's court case vs Labomb went on for 2 years and resulted in all superheroes being illegal, eventually, but there was for sure a civil-war moment where all supers had to register in case of property damage or public endangerment.
The more sinister and interesting implication is that all supes in that universe where probably engineered by the government, à la "the boys". Think about it, apart from Elasti-girl and Mr. Incredibles kids we never see young supes, the youngest one was that girl Edna talks about who got sucked into a jet engine and I remember seeing stuff on the DVD extra's that seriously hinted at this reality.
We know the supers aren't made by the government cause Frozone discovered his powers as a baby while Downburst only sought the NSA for guidance well after he was an adult.
*Superhero registration act* .
Literally the plot of Watchmen.
I was thinking this more and more during the end. Literally the Comedian breaking up protests, fighting in Nam.
@@allgreatfictions I'm not sure about the comic, but the movie did also put the Comedian at the grassy knoll.
Well, remember, there was a whole compiled Database of all the Supers. Syndrome's database.
I highly doubt Syndrome just found all that info on all those Supers himself. I think he straight up ripped the profiles for each off of a government database.
I think that the government would reach out to the heroes instead. Kinda like in MCU, where for example, Spiderman begun working on his own, but once he got more notable Tony Stark and SHIELD had reached out to him. I think it was the same in the Incredibles universe
Also, the list of superheroes would be quite easy. In the movie, we see that Mr. Incredible works together with the police. Ergo, all police would have to do, is make the list of all superheros who handed them criminals they caught
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This theory has to be pretty much fact at this point. Name one villain in the Incredibles that had superpowers instead of some for of technology. Meaning that only the government can give out superpowers
Not bad some of them got defunded. The DVD extras talk about how they were concerned about about one of them turning to villany because he was a super supremist
My guess is recruitment from when they find out they have superpowers like bob probably did vigilante stuff before registering. And for the missions with how much data and surveillance they have on them they probably only give heroes missions they are sure they'll take. Like they wont send the black guy or the guy with a black best man to break up a civil rights protest just out of lets not piss off they people with super powers.
Quickfire answers: Yes, the supers were trained and coordinated by the NSA (in this universe the National Superhero Agency).
The NSA did not directly provide supers with their equipment, but they DID introduce supers to specialized tailors such as Edna and they did reimburse the costuming and equipment expenses.
It is possible that the government deployed them in armed conflicts (Meta Man's nemesis was called Baron Von Ruthless, possibly a play on Golden Age villains such as Red Skull and Baron Zemo), but for the most part heroes are only seen acting domestically.
my guess is that that world kinda works like the one in My Hero Academia, where they basically are super cops, celebrities, and first responders, but because most people are born with superpowers and there are a ton of supervillains running around the general public adores them as something to aspire to.
one of the villains main motivations is to destroy super society and show that hero's are nothing more than frauds in it for the fame and glory. and it kinda works. when society falls apart, the public hates you, government support has diminished, it's a rare hero who can keep going, and even they have a very rough time. even noble and strong heroes quit because they just can't take the pressure of being a hero in a time where heroes aren't the godlike celebrities they used to be
"I'm here to talk to you about the Incredibles initiative."
Well you see some guy get his cape caught in a V2 rocket, so it's safe to assume they were part of a super-soldier program from WW2.
They might have been part of special forces, above SEALS or SAS.
It makes sense that they might have joined the intelligence community after the war.
when he said supes i already knew where it was going
It's a common theory that the superheros were created for WW2 like Captain America. The timeline fits.
It really bothered me that Incredibles 2 contradicts a lot of the lore of the first movie. It’s heavily implied in Incredibles 1 that superheroes aren’t born naturally - they’re created later in life.
For one thing, Dash’s teacher and principal never even consider the possibility that he has superpowers when reviewing the tapes. It’s only been 15 years since superheroes disappeared - surely if superhumans were born in the general population, they would consider this? This indicates that the supers were created deliberately, or at least were created in a single known event (like the particle accelerator explosion in The Flash).
For another thing, we don’t see any superpowered villains in the first film. All the supervillains we see (which is, admittedly, only two people) use technology to commit crimes, not innate powers.
So the suggestion from some of the details is that The Supers were actually originally manufactured by the Government for Some Purpose. The Inheritability of Super Hero Mutations is The Only Reason new super heroes continue to happen
I bet Supers 100% got used in WW2 for propaganda purposes like we saw in the Captain America movie
And also some MI6 type stuff
cough...AUntifa...COUGH COUGH
Part of the speculation in this has to work through the question of how long superheroes were around before mr incredible got sued
This would make an amazing prequel
Syndrome might be a super too, his power is his intelligence, what with all the inventions. And syndrome was obviously government funded as well, all those goons and tech, with the very important job of slowly and secretly wiping out all the unstable super weapons of a past era.
Asking the real questions
I also want to point out that the Incredibles are set in the 60s, not counting the opening.
So if you think about it, it's kinda unusual how a black man is such a close family friend that he's basically an uncle. Not to mention he seems to live in pretty nice place downtown.
And based on that, I have to assume that the Incredibles universe had their civil rights movement much sooner and the superheroes literally fought for equality against racist villains.
Buddy, the 60s was not anywhere near that strongly separated, where basically nobody had any interracial friends.
@@DrBrangar No? As far as I remember from class, the Civil Rights movement was from the mid 50s to late 60s.
I guess it's been a while since those classes though, and it mainly talked about the legality of segregation plus general discrimination and disenfranchisement.
@@psychronia It was the 60s, but the image painted in high school history is far less nuanced than reality. Basic history books paint a picture of total segregation, which was just not true. White people had Black coworkers, would have had Black friends, not least because group prejudice seldom stands up to individuals. "You aren't like the rest" is a powerful dissonance in all but the most bigoted brains, and even people who are more generally bigoted can rationalize themselves into being friends with their targeted group.
And as with much in the US, location mattered a lot. The south was far more draconian than the rest of the country.
Superheros helping make a Coup in South America
BTW, in the audio recordings in the extras, Thunderhead is raising five adopted children with his “roommate,” Scott.
No other supers are mentioned as being in a relationship.
I don’t think supers were prohibited from having kids, just that only Bob and Helen did.
Oh my gosh they were roommates 👨🏻🦳
Is just sounds like the back story of watchmen
Ah-hahahaa the Mr incredible figihint in naam had me dying cuz if you're a suoer how do you dodge the draft even if at the time you were relocated cuz the Vietnam war took place during 54-75
You know... I never thought about that but your kind of right, Super's definently got missions, and all that, but what are Supervillians then? Because some villians have to have powers, not all could have gadgets and the like
You should look at a book series called Super Powereds. It's about how you become a government sanctioned super hero
Well, since The Incredibles takes place before JFK or ‘Nam, probably not. They may have been involved in other wars, though.
Comment redtracted, I forgot that Vietnam STARTED in the fifties, even though it's associated with the seventies
...still a huge risk of Dash being drafted once he turns 18 in 1970, though
Have you read Watchmen or did you just happen to hit on the main themes and at least two plot points from Watchmen
Before the sequel, I thought that the US government made people super. Train people for combat, surveillance or anything, really, then make the best of them supers. They are like Steve Rogers becoming Captain America, but with more training.
After the sequel came and brought young supers with them, people too young to have had training before being made super, that image fell apart.
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Honestly I think if Mr. Incredible still wanted to help people he should have been a fire man or a police officer. He'd easily be able to break through colapased rubble and rescue people from over turned cars. That way he would be working within the law. It should not be illegal to have super powers.
How did they get hired? As soldiers for the war. Elastigirl talk about "Going to the other side" if they don't give her a new suit.
Plan B? I'm a theory person so... maybe plan KRONOS(the Villain). Some people theorised he had government founds.
A good friend of mine has a spreadsheet for incredibles lore
I think you'd much prefer Watchmen then the Incredibles because in that story, they did fight in Vietnam.
I love the way your brain works! lol Is the government possibly responsible for the initiating event that allowed for the creation of Supers in this universe? Given that the Incredibles feels set in the 1950's-60's, are Supers the kids of WWII experiments?
now were asking the real questions
So…Watchmen?
mr Incredible in nam would be an awsome movie.
That’s a big ol oof haha
Are you sure you didn't mistakenly watch Watchmen instead of The Incredibles?
I think that incredibles is actually draws a lot from watchmen on purpose
@@koreanbeef27I mean, that's probably cause your line of thinking is super off base. There are way more references to the Spirit.
So Syndrome might be a supercop killer? Wow.
WOULD SOMEONE UN-CANCEL THE TICK?
The U.S. government has been on the right side of history a lot. World War 2, The Revolutionary War, The Korean War, the Civil War
When you get so socialist you start agreeing with syndrome
Did you not have the dvd extra like he had a worker in the show which was not assigned to him after the trail and jest had a different job before that was shown taking away caries memories after intaragating her.
I always thought a comic that took the perspective of people who had to deal with superheroes brutalizing them and their loved ones would be interesting.
Bc we all cheer when Spider-Man leaves some guy hanging upside down from a lamp pole, but tbh, that could cause a LOT of harm to someone, and who gave Spider-Man the right, anyhow?
How would that cause harm? Doesn't he usually get the police to them right away generally?
I would like to tell you there is a show called powerless that is this very concept done very well. Also had abed from community in it as a plus!
That's exactly the kinda thing J Jonah Jameson voices his concerns about. Sure, Spidey does save the day from a much larger threat, but what does it cost to actually get to that point? What's the amount of collateral damage we should be willing to put up with after every battle?
You're right, Spider-Man shouldn't interfere in small crime. What's a few more Uncle Bens?
@@munchablemoth oh? Is that streaming anywhere?
You would like Worm
We need a whole Incredibles 3 covering the legislation that led to this.
Was just me who thought this is just the mha universe but just like 300 years ago?
You're describing MHA
I demand a prequel where Gazerbeam is murdering leftist freedom fighters in South America
incredibles / the boys crossover when
considering its the 50s, i think they probably would have been deployed in korea not nam
This is some The Boys shit
The title sounds like the beginning of a bad cartoon
I should point out there are two fairly disturbing real-world problems with your interpretation. The first is that you can't actually sue the federal government without their permission. So if the supes are government affiliated a lawsuit probably wouldn't work. Similarly if they are cops, then cops have qualified immunity, so a single massive lawsuit would also probably not be able to do anything serious.
Didn't matpat do a theory on the matter some time ago? The timeline aligns in a position right where you COULD sue the government (or at least govern affiliated organizations) but before good Samaritan laws
You did NOT just call the Incredibles a piece of children’s entertainment.
It really is, it is intended for children, we love it in part to having watched it as children, and now we still love it because it's good
There's plenty of media intended for children but watched by teens/adults, Steven Universe and The Owl House to name a couple
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god i got got by cop propaganda 🤦
Yep, KoreanBeef really reaching for the Acab people.
Thank you so much for ruining a fun bop of a cartoon movie for me with reason and logic. 🙃
What logic? His logic has so much holes into it its insane. This isn't Watchman. The supers in Incredibles were basically glorified Fireman to rescue people, the government didn't want them involved in wars and stuff.
ASAB All supers are bad
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