I am happy that people are actually taking the series and it's fans more seriously and not just mindlessly saying it's always been bad. *cough cough arin hanson*
2005-2009 - Dark era? Are you kidding me? This is the best era ever. This era gave us Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic and the Black Knight, which are the best Sonic games of all time!
I think there are two things that make people think that Sonic was always bad: 1. As you said in the video, 06 was terrible and has since tarnished the reputation of Sonic and critics somehow cannot stop mentiong it (even though the game is 17 years old, just let it rest in peace). 2. The toxic fanbase. There are many different opinions on Sonic and somehow people become extremely toxic about "no your opinion is wrong" "no my opinion is right". People just see the outisde of the fanbase, read a few toxic tweets, and write off the whole series and it's fans.
And number two can also be traced back to 06, since a lot of the videos that spawned the whole stereotype of “toxic sonic fan” popped up around that time (sammyclassicsonicfan’s legendary rant comes to mind)
I never want to hear the phrase “it’s good, for a Sonic game” ever again, because it gives the implication that Sonic games can’t be as well made or fun as other games, which is factually not the case. Yet I hear people say this every time a new Sonic game comes out that happens to be received well. Heck, I’m willing to bet Sonic Superstars will score an 8/10 while Super Mario Bros Wonder obviously scores a 10/10 just because it’s Sonic; even if Superstars did end up received better.
Here from the future to say you weren't wrong. Sonic Superstars is a very well innovative game that actually gave the players a good challenge, but still recieved a far lower score than Mario Bros Wonder that only had 4 bosses that were the same Bowser Jr. and was piss easy but because Sonic is Sonic it got the lower score
@@ExMonarch Yeah, there’s clearly a Mario positivity bias and a Sonic negativity bias; The vast majority of Mario fans & critics only look for the best aspects of each game to praise whilst downplaying any negatives. Meanwhile, the vast majority of Sonic fans & critics only look for the worst aspects of each game whilst downplaying any positives. I knew this would happen again since it happens every time. I’m sure there are a minority of people who don’t think this way but generally speaking this is unfortunately the case for both franchises, and I personally believe it does a disservice to each of them respectively. Nuance matters, and I wish for once that the general public wouldn’t hand out 10/10s to everything Mario and hand mid to low 7/10s to nearly every good Sonic game “because if it’s Sonic then there must be *something* atrocious about it right?”
@@dusk173 Also it just feels like the media just doesn't want to bother with Sonic at all. They just see Sonic and go "it's Sonic, give it a 7 and move on." Like they don't want to interact with the games and do their absolute best not to acknowledge him at all even if it's good.
@@SFproductions1 Yeah, if you ever decide to play Valve games, avoid that game at all costs. The first Portal game is great, but the second one is horrifically atrocious. Also, Sonic '06 is better than PORTAL 2, because at least, the characters in Sonic '06 (especially Mephiles) were entertaining and tolerable. PORTAL 2 made me scream in agony when I first played it. I don't even know if you can fathom how terrible that game is. Don't worry, PORTAL 2 is the worst game Valve has ever made.
Another thing that the "Sonic is supposed to be bad" stigma has caused is a extreme polarization of both sides. You have people being way to harsh with their criticism just because it's a Sonic game, looking at the new titles far more cynically just because it's Sonic, resulting in reviews that don't feel like genuine assessments or the critics real opinions. On the other side we have fans who feel backed into a corner and have to defend Sonic no matter what, even when the flaws are obvious to anyone looking at the new games. The only way to fix this is for people to stop being scared to share their opinions on Sonic, stop being afraid to enjoy/criticize the games.
One thing that annoys me is that some people literally revision history by going "no sonic 06 didn't turned sonic into a laughing stock sonic colors did" it's fine if you liked 06 and disliked colors but saying that 06 didn't hurt the sonic series but colors did is completely false. If you see someone saying this ignore them because they are just a bunch of clowns on Twitter wanting attention.
It’s definitely been hard to be a Sonic fan the past few years. Especially with critics constantly telling you that “Sonic has had a rough transition to 3D” or “Sonic was never good”. That’s why I’ve gotten to the point where I don’t care what critics think about a game. If I like the game and have fun with it, that’s all that matters. We’re all allowed to have our own opinions and shouldn’t need to rely on others to determine ours. Sonic Frontiers has tons of setbacks and is not a perfect game, but it’s the most fun I’ve had with a Sonic game in a long time. It doesn’t matter to me what the general consensus of the Sonic series is, it’ll always be one of my favorite franchises of all time regardless of its various low points. Also, I’m just gonna say it, I have more fun playing through Sonic Adventure than I do Super Mario 64. Adventure has aged much better in my opinion than 64. SM64 may have been revolutionary for the time, but I just don’t like playing through it. It feels repetitive and boring. At least with Adventure, it has highs and lows, but it keeps my interest.
I couldn’t agree more with you. People are always talking about technical stuff in a game, when really thing that matters is that you have fun. I wish more people thought like you.
In my opinion most 3D Sonic games are good, SA1, SA2, Heroes, Shadow, Unleashed, Colours, Generations and Frontiers. Lost World and Forces are not really that bad, they are still playable games with some fun to be had with them and the storybook games are good as long as you have patience with their annoying controls. It’s mostly 06 and Boom that are just the bad 3D games.
Really the only 3D Sonic games I would say are bad are 06, Secret Rings and Rise of Lyric. Forces and 3D Blast are forgettable but I wouldn't say they're bad games.
Boom was not bad either people just overemphasized the glitches before it was patched, I think it’s a great games based on a tv show it’s was ambitious and tried new things
3:42-3:49 this part is SUPER true. One instance is this was when the sonic movie 2 was release and right after release Watchmojo made a " Top 20 WORST sonic games" vid from that alone i realize that some influential content creators are just use to/want sonic to fail or continue to be bad.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. I was reading an article this morning on a gaming news site, and you should've seen all the people in the comments just trashing Sega and Sonic Superstars, calling it "Sonic 4 - Episode 3" and whatnot. It was horrific. Sega itself also bears the same issue, though probably not to the same extent as the Sonic IP. I think a lot of people actually like the Yakuza games and other stuff they make, but it seems like when Sega makes a couple *very* minor mistakes, people will just explode their load of hatred all over the company. Whereas, if it's *Nintendo* making similar mistakes, it's usually forgotten about within two weeks. For example, a complaint about Sonic Superstars I hear a lot is its high price for a 2D platformer. Okay, so tell me why Nintendo sells an OLED Switch model and markets it like we haven't already had that technology for the past 10+ years? Or, why they put out such a mediocre compilation like Super Mario 3D All-stars? Nintendo is certainly a much eviler company than Sega in my opinion. Sega is just kinda like the drunk guy at your house party who makes mistakes here and there but is generally a good-hearted individual, but then people will just ridicule him out of nowhere for simply being a little clumsy.
Part of it I feel like is deliberate. 1 ) 06 made the series an acceptable target. You can't bash Zelda without a lot of fans ripping you to shreds, but Sonic 06 and a few other games made the idea that Sonic sucks just... accepted. 2 ) SOME POPULAR UA-camRS built their careers off of bashing that game in particular. So of course they want to milk that cow as much as possible. That's why any good the series does gets downplayed and even the slightest hiccup in a game like Frontiers gets cried about as "the next coming of 06."
Well In Japan they say the classic and adventure series were good but heroes , shadow 06 , colors were bad Unleashed , generations were good Lost world , boom , forces were bad Frontiers is super good. In Japan they don't use bad games to shit on the franchise no they always see good the potential compared to the US the gaming industry in the US always been shit unfortunately. Now thanks to frontiers sonic as finally become popular in Japan it's obvious Sega is secretly done making sonic appealing to the US cuz they shit on sonic to make people not enjoy the series . Plot twist naoto oshima follows ign on Twitter how Ironic it can be that he doesn't know that IGN shitted on sonic 😂.
@@MasterAlpha1000 agreed I love sonic I'm not a fan bcuz of the fanbase, but if sonic was better managed franchise and stayed truth to naoto oshima original vision then the franchise would suck less
Honestly, I think it's more than a little unfair for a franchise to be faulted for one game that happened well over a decade ago. Yes Sonic 06 happened, yes there have been plenty of mediocre games since (shout out to Lost world), but I do not believe it is right for an iconic franchise to keep getting dunked on for its past. Sonic is GOOD now, so let's stop throwing shade💯
You know I think the only way people will take Sonic as seriously as they did from 1991-2001 (which is technically kinda the last time Sonic was treated as a gaming legend) we would need 10-15 years of 8/10 Sonic games for that to change.
I hate how you can clearly see the effort that the devs put into trying to translate the Sonic gameplay format to 3D with Sonic Adventure, yet people still claim it's a mediocre or bad game because of '06. I mean, the game was made only in 11 months in 1998, and it's still one of the best, if not, the best 3D Sonic game we ever got (and a good transition to 3D).
Nah, it's not because of 06, it's because of poor design decisions of that game, such as including polarising gameplay styles like fishing, treasure hunting, shooting, pet simulation. How can it be a good transition into 3d if most of the game has nothing to do with Sonic gameplay? Not to mention that the Sonic gameplay itself is very flawed, supplanting momentum with automation, a design decision that continues to plague 3d Sonic games to this day.
@@snakey888 Treasure hunting is very in line with Knuckles gameplay from S3&K, which is more focused on exploration, Gamma's shooting is harmless to the game, and you can get some enjoyment out of these two styles of gameplay. Problems such as automation were a product of their time, they didn't have all the technology we have nowadays. And again, the problem is that Sonic Team, instead of building upon a good framework that Adventure gave us for a great 3D Sonic game, they just made SA's flaws even worse, and it went all downhill after Sonic Adventure 2. also, did I really just read that chao garden makes Adventure 1 worse?
@@CaptainSwag Except that in S3k Knuckles' gameplay wasn't about mindlessly playing hot and cold, made even worse in sa2. Sure, the mech shooting is harmless in the sense that it won't actually physically hurt anyone. But an evolution of Sonic gameplay in 3d? Nope. Not even Sonic gameplay period, why is it in a Sonic game in the first place. Again, made even worse in sa2. Nah, the technology was there two console generations prior, seeing as the mega drive could pull it off. It was a design decision that has since stuck with the series since. That's the kind of poor framework sa games provided, that even current games suffer from, automation being one such problem, alternative playstyles being another.
@@snakey888 The alternate gameplay styles aren't as good as Sonic's, and they really took away the time they could've fleshed him out, but to say his gameplay is bad? Nah. I stand by my point that they did a good job for the small time they had, and if they really wanted to, they could've done something amazing with that framework (When I say framework, I mean Sonic's general movement, not poor dash panel placement or automated loops. The spamdash was an oversight they removed in SA2) if the problems with the Adventure games were fixed in later games. Even though SA2 is a general weaker game than SA1 for me, I can see that they tried to fix some of the first game's problems, like collision and physics. It still wasn't ideal, but they kind of tried. Sadly, loops in SA2 were pure spectacle at that point. By the time Sonic 1 released, most developers were already used to programming 2D games. 3D games were still being figured out by the time Adventure 1 came out, so I really think it's safe to say they had their limitations back then.
@@CaptainSwag Yeah, they still have those limitations that the sa framework set, hence why 3d Sonic games to this day continue to disappoint. The way to improve upon it, is to make it even more automated, as sa2 showcased, meaning that it's a framework that belongs in the garbage. It's puzzling why they still insist on using it, despite the obvious limitations.
Y'all need to stop,just stop now. You fans are just hating Sonic just to hate him. Sonic is doing good,let sega cook and stop bringing up excuses about the pass and move on. Sonic Frontiers was successful,y'all are just finding ways to rush and hate the game being lazy and skipping the cutescenes. Stop crapping on Sonic saying he's terrible for no reason and love him for who he is!
@@jamesdeanrodriguez1791Sonic Adventure 1,2,Unleashed,Generations,Mania,and Frontiers was really good games. The last game that was bad was Forces,now because of Sonic Frontiers,the game did pretty good. Its going to be really good when update 3 gets release. The haters just want to get rid of him and that's not the case.
@@sonicthehedgehog702GET ADVENTURE OUT OF THE LIST!!!!!!!!!! ITS LITERALLY LOW QUALITY MODELS AND THE TEXTURES ARE JUST PHOTOS! [im not a sonic hater im a sonic adventure hater]
I lay some of the blame on influential people in the gaming community, such Game Grumps and their rather repetitive fans. These people echo opinions like ravens because of either peer pressure or a desire to be seen.
THANK YOU! I was thinking the same thing. Because sonic team is known for listening to their fans. So they try to appeal to as much ppl as possible. Thus, leading to Sonics identity crisis.
While Egoraptor showed everybody how pathetically mid and poorly aged most of these games are lmao Talk about Chrischan level type of deranged on Sonic fanboys
The people that say that 3D sonic sucks are the same people that can't take a Sonic story seriously and just make fun of the ambition like if it was cringe and say that SONIC COLORS HAS THE BEST STORY OUT OF ANY SONIC GAME and now I have a question: should I move to mars after that?
Have you moved to Mars yet? Oh excuse me for bluntness. I work in real estate and I would like to know if you vacated the property. The market value of the neighborhood tends rise up whenever there is one less cringe Sonic fan with poor taste.
I'm a veteran Sonic fan, been one since the Master System days and played most of the game mostly in order of release, and I've since come to my own conclusion of why so many people don't like or actively hate Sonic: 1) The gameplay was too complex to many people. Your average 2D sidescroller platformer, like Mario, will have you go to point A to B in linear fashion, jumping, with maybe some simple attack action and some optional collectibles along the way. Sonic is not the hardest ever, but it introduced a pinball-like physics system to the equation, many branching paths, different gimmicks and things pushing you all around, the Special Stages, and the speed. A lot of people just never got into Sonic (never even the 2D games) because the games expected too much of the player. You can see this bleeding over modern games, like Riders 1 (which was way more complex than your average Mario Kart clone), and Unleashed. Over time the games became more linear and automated to accommodate casual players. Lost World's gameplay style was a way to make Sonic more casual friendly, with the run button and parkour system, and no physics; 2) Being Sega's mascot and Sega's consoles, when the Dreamcast died and Sega left the home console market, a lot of people assumed Sonic died with the Dreamcast. If you trace back all the negative reviews by gaming press you'll see that the "Sonic was never good" narrative began with Sonic Adventure 2: Battle, the first Sonic game released for a main Nintendo console. Sonic Mega Collection was also criticized by the press because "some of the games included are not good". To some people, Sonic is the best bit of Sega's relevancy the Gaming Sphere that refuses to die. The mediocre to bad games only facilitated this narrative. 3) The internet and UA-cam's boom of popularity. Game/media reviews became one of the first big kinds of content on YT, with many being game reviews. Many people were influenced by AVGN. When it came to mock bad games, Sonic 06 was an easy target, which later prompted a revisionist look at older Sonic games. This is where the "Sonic had a rough transition to 3D" lie came to be, despite the original Dreamcast releases of SA1 and SA2 having high scores from the press at the time and being two of the best selling games on the system; 4) Sega releasing garbage ports. I think this might be one of the most important historical factors to that led to the damage done to this brand, far more than Sonic 06. The PS2 was way more popular worldwide than the GCN and Xbox combined, specially in countries like Brazil. The PS2 version of Sonic Heroes is atrocious! It has bad framerate, bad graphics, is more buggy. The PC version was an early build that had its own issues. Then, the SADX and subsequent ports of SA1 forever tarnished the public's perception of SA1 as a buggy ugly mess of a game. The HD port of SA2 has its own issues. Only hardcore fans will go out of their way to install the Dreamcast Conversion mod to fix the Steam port of SA1, the majority of the players will play the inferior vanilla experience. I can't wait to see how much damage Colors: Ultimate will do to Colors reputation in the future.
Let's be honest, a major reason why sa1 on dc got good reviews was because how technically impressive it was. Many things, like the poor design choices and glitches, which yes the dc version too was filled with, were forgiven. By 2002/3 people were no longer impressed by those graphics so the game and the gameplay itself came into focus, which isn't all that good. Also, the gameplay of the mega drive Sonic games was generally simpler and more forgiving than contemporary platformers. Only requiring one button to play, much more straightforward power ups and the ring system which was very forgiving of mistakes. Sonic was one of the easier platformers back then, and none of the aspects you mentioned were required of the player to engage with.
ok but sonic did redeem it self with sonic movie 2 and sonic frontiers last year They just need to not mess up superstars and make it a good classic sonic game
A loved Mania, but even I admit it was more of a nostalgia trip than anything. Thankfully Frontiers kinda moved on from the nostalgia cash grab the franchise was laying itself on.
That scumbag from IGN who lambasted Unleashed for his lack of skill as well as obvious hatred of the franchise made it worse and probably lead to the meta era.
I feel that the meta era happened because of that ign unleashed review that discourage sonic team to attempt new things sticking only with the boost formula because it was highly praised in unleashed shortly making Colors
Despite how bad the games may be, I still find a good bit of joy playing them. Hell. Even Rise of Lyric I enjoyed the steps they were taking to make that variation of Sonic Different. I think it’s because I’m not too big of a critic to hate on games. If I enjoy them, I’ll play them again. Even Lost World on both 3DS and WIIU I’d wish I could try.
I love Sonic Forces, my best played game of all time but uhh, you might think i'm crazy since you all say Sonic Forces is the "worst" game. I don't understand why you guys hate the game, i had fun playing it even if the story was short. Even if classic sonic has an momentum that's so bad, i love the game.
It does suck being a sonic fan these days. Whenever u tell anyone u like sonic they'll say 'bro thats so sad, play call of duty cuz thats for big boys' 😐
i know right...? people just want to hate and hate on sonic UNTILL HE'S DEAD! i just want sonic to be saved from this- USELESS HATING JUST BECAUSE OF 06!
Frontiers was clearly an evolution. The combat and open zone concept is phenomenal..and the boss fights are doubtlessly among the best in gaming history
It feels like one bad games is unforgiveable and permanently harms sonics reputation forever. 06 might have been bad gameplay wise, but later games like unleased and generations makes up for all of that and much more. Honestly I could play throught some of the more ''janky'' games and loving it. SA1 on steam without mod are oftern trased for being a bad port (which honestly I understand), but I had no problem playing through the game. Hell, I encountered more jank in the gamecube version of SA2 than my playthrough of SA2 on steam, but I still loved my playthrough of the game.
I think in my opinion people constantly hating frionters is kinds coming from a projecting scenario honestly if any Sonic game is suddenly nicely made Any Petty "fans" have to bring up O6 cause there Projecting
@@MasterAlpha1000 1 game.If that 1 single freaking game which is over 17 years old,still is the reason why sonics was never good then that isnt because of how bad sonic is .Thats because of how whiny you are over a 17 year old game and annoyed you are bcs of that 17 year old game.Ppl like you either only played sonic 06 and left the franchise,or they are just a bunch of newborn babies that talks trash about sonic
@@alptugraakan7490 nah, bruh, that one single crappy game was a wake up call to notices how every single 3D game sucks in general You can fvcking cope harder whatever you want that won't fix any shitty sonic game to 98 to this day Deal with it
I'm probably the only person that actually likes Sonic 06. the gameplay was definitely buggy as all hell but i liked the amount of playable characters and the interconnected stories and yes i liked how serious it took itself. I wish it could've been better honestly but i don't hate it
Nowadays? Bruh it’s been like this post Dreamcast. Only with colours and generators everyone came together for once, then lost world killed that and cycle repeated.
I believe people who say sonic was always a bad series just because of 06 alone or just a few games were bad are just incredibly hypocritical. 06 fumbled because of Sega, not Sonic Team. And even then, we can say the same for let’s say…Mario, Zelda, Kirby, Pokémon, Metroid, etc. And those will still get praised even if they had a bad few games(or mediocre at best), what makes Sonic any different? I think the hate is just incredibly unnecessary and unfair cause if they can overly hate on Sonic, then the same can be said for Mario or any other franchise out there…New Super Mario Bros 2, Hotel Mario, I can go on really
i use to be a sonic hater but then i play one of his games and they were pretty awesome and sonic was cool which i ended up playing more of his games and became a sonic fan
Im not a fan of 3d Sonic games. I only enjoyed Sonic Colours in the WII, but Id never call a Game bad, just because its 3d Sonic. Just because you dont like the Games, doesn't make the Games bad. I Like Most 2d Games and Im looking Forward to Superstars
I like how there's collectively more people liking the lesser known titles or the more disliked ones like Black Knight or even Sonic 06. Which by the way functions more than most games that are coming out today. Example? Battlefield 2042, Cyberpunk 2077, any Ubisoft title. I could keep going but rather not. 😅
I hear people say sonic fans are toxic but that is so not true we are just over protective of the media sega produces like any other community most of the hate comes from Nintendo fan boys and they have the right to say we are toxic? Sega started that fight and i thought we ended it Nintendo fans really cant get over the past.
The reason why I hate the sonic series is because of amy and tails i detest those two characters, also hate the fan base and there obsession with shipping characters
@@JakeThehedgehog-m1x now in today im starting to actually like tails but amy i still hate that bitch she is easily top 3 most overrated sonic character oat, frontires is the most recent sonic game to make her an actual normal person and the fanbase is allready thinking she the sally acorn of today, before that game she was an annoying rude piece of shit and its been like that for two decades, its enough for me to say yeah she is a D tier chadacter there is nothing funny about being obsessive and sonamy for the longest time has been one sided and for obvious reasons
Fr l'm a sonic fan I and I could care less about damn ships it's annoying searching for sonic content in the community just for dumb ships to he talk about I honestly find sonic as someone who personally doesn't see himself in a relationship all the ships are stupid and I can't take them seriously
Bad faith reviews for the Sonic franchise have been a thing since the late 2000's. Im not denying that this franchise has had its bad games, but It's as if these video game "critics" and "journalists" all get paid to drag down Sonic's reputation as much as much as they can whenever something new is shown off. They blow their half their critiques completely out of proportion, and the other half they just pull from their buttholes. its either that or they just go "btw, remember Sonic 06?" or "Rough transition to 3D" as a copout Swear to God, I could immediately sniff out the fact that they were trying to discredit Shadow Generations when it was first shown off and Summer Games Fest. 🤦
I think the Other Projects decreased this Hate for Sonic like Sonic Movies and Prime because Sonic is no longer just a Video Game Character and it's Hard to Like Sonic just Because the Games Since Mania was the Last Good Game from Sonic we got so far (if we didn't include Frontiers Because it got Mixed Opinions)
The old saying people will never let go of your mistakes 06 happen, Forces happened, Colors Ultimate had a rough few months, several patches laters, it runs better and barely anyone complains about it anymore But we will have the bad game rep, people talking about the "rough transition into 3D", and the toxic fanbase pf Sonoc Tubers Because people like Arin, Chris Chan, Mariotehplumber, all the toxic and creeps We are Pokemon community bad and the that took years for them to make ot hard for children to just enjoy the games
3d ruined the franchise imo i hate 2D cuz it has nothing in it it feels lifeless and if i had to love a 2D sonic game i'd give it to mania and ultimate flashs onic only ogs will know this one but imo 3D is what makes me love sonic games cuz it what SONIC IN MY OPINION SOHULD BE LIKE i loved sonic x i it was what made me love the franchise as a kid want games like sonic x with deep plot story characters depth i don't want it to be a friendly mario game like a hedgheog saving the planet over and over i love 3D sonic ,and no matter how bad sonic games are no matter how bad the franchise will be i will always love sonic no matter what
Looking strictly at the mainline games, Sonic has more good games than bad ones. Not that different from series like Castlevania or Megaman. I believe it's the image the general public has of the fandom (mostly way over exaggerated) that makes it cool and hip to diss Sonic specifically.
Sonic gets hated on I think because of how toxic the fanbase is.. And known for. I think. Because when we see something negative we tend to want to stay away from it right away
Honestly this whole thing about the Sonic fanbase being toxic is over exaggerated. Every single fanbase has toxic people in it. It isn't exclusive to Sonic.
Sonic is a outstanding series people who hate a series over a game or two or saying Sonic had bad 3d games rough transition to 3d etc.those people doesn't make them interesting or cool there miserable lowlifes living in the past besides the present blinded Sonic has gonna better not only games but other media. every new game Sega & Sonic team makes will be good we don't need a silly reminder from sorry people telling us what happened in the past.the things the critics says about Sonic is irrelevant they don't matter what matters we love the series rather they like it or not haters & critics can't go f them selfs the stupid hate sonic gets from most people are from miserable people.
I have a mate that literally hates all Sonic games. He complains that the 2d ones don't control like Hollow Knight and that the 3D ones are just "shit". No reasoning, just that they're "shit". He'll shit on Sonic any chance he gets, no hesitation
So, Mario 64 is groundbreaking but Adventure 1 is just Sonic in 3d... Where is the difference? They both do the same thing - adding third dimension to the game, and both did that perfectly for their age. But on top of that Adventure also added different characters with unique playstyles. Then why 64 is groundbraking but SA is not?
I think the fanbase also "helped", to increase the bad reputation of the franchise. I know that are many good people on the community, but after watching some videos of weird sonic fans... Unfortunally i have to agree: sonic Fandom it's one of the worst, and this kinda embarasses me because i'm a sonic fan since 2005 . And no matter how sonic team tries to please everyone with a good sonic game, the executives never let then finish the game propely. I think if the fanbase unites, and say something like: Hey Sega , it's all right if the gane takes 6 or 7 years to be done, since the game be at least a 9/10 it's worthy. I'm tired of Rushed Sonic games! Come on , the last truly Good Sonic's Masterpiece was Generations. We are now 12 years without a 10/10 3D game( disclaimer: i like Frontiers, i think is a 7/10, but still is not good enough for Sonic) Sonic deserves more, we deserves more, it's time to Sonic team make Sonic games that are worthy of the Sonic Legacy.
now that's what i would like to see a legit fan who has higher standards and actually want improvement and believe the franchise can be even better more further! we need more fans like you man seriously
The title of the video is a little misleading but sonic frontiers is a step in the right direction it’s not perfect but it’s definitely still fun and you can make it more fun with mods sega is actually listening to the community now and making changes to make the game better
Luckily, we picked up steam after Forces as we got some actually good games like Sonic Speed Battle, Team Sonic Racing, (maybe) Sonic Frontiers, Sonic Superstars, even X Shadow Gens which is coming up soon. There’s no way that can be terrible right? (I mean right?
Well it happens, but we may like or dislike but it’s all about opinions and people have that.but I don’t originally “hate” sonic, we all have our personal tastes and how we go around into Sonic but not disliking.
Good thing I love most Sonic games (Even 06) I just don't see a point having this hate over a franchise throughout my life like most people on the internet do, I cannot stand seeing all this hate and bashing other sonic games, because I know they aren't saying it because "opinion" I know they are doing it to gain attention, and it always wins, there's just no debates, just fighting and calling people names and shaming, it's pathetic
@@duplicake4054 boring one isnt sonic.Sonic is that one kid whos always messed up but still gets up and fights.I think boring but fun and consistent is mario
I think it’s more like people made fun of Sonic rather than hating on the character. I mean don’t get me wrong. 06 is certainly a huge dumpster fire for what it was. But you do gotta admit, at least with some exceptions like Sonic 4 and Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood, the music is always the best thing about the franchise. I mean as bad as 06 was, you do gotta admit the music is kick ass awesome right?
Well, I don't know what about you guys, but I think we must consentrate on Frontiers only, as we know it evolved the franchise, and forget about 06 and stop hating Sonic. I guess there's no other choice.
So in conclusion if sonic 06 never released sonic would be considered the best series ever made, makes enough sense for me. Not stopping me from playing P06
Ign will definitely hate sonic frontiers they really said sonic has never been good sonic frontiers is a good game it's open zone which is cool I like 3d sonic
@@kirbymasterx-3637 bro that video still aged like a milk they gave forces a 6.9 and give frontiers 7 just 0.1 increased score..great :/ they should've atleast give a 8/10 and called it the day.
I feel like I'm practically the only one that still loves sonic no matter how bad the games are
I like sonic boom even if the game was awful but I agree sonic is good but idiots keep bringing up Sonic 06 like give it a rest
Me too. I wish more people gave the franchise a chance.
Literally. Any sonic media that comes out I’ll be the one to enjoy it from start to finish.
@@tealover70Same here.
You are not alone.
I am happy that people are actually taking the series and it's fans more seriously and not just mindlessly saying it's always been bad. *cough cough arin hanson*
Was Arin Hanson the IGN asshole?
I saw the Gamescom 2023 chat as soon as Sonic came on screen, like can people just respect a franchise and the people who like it?
@@igottakirbranger8995 Which video? Is it on youtube or twitch?
@@zeroxenoverse9251just watch the Gamescom live stream
@@igottakirbranger8995I looked, and I can definitely see we're your going on. Especially one said "Oh boy a Sonic game...".
I mean.. Sonic does get hated a lot but A LOT LESS than the Boom era + Lost World (2013-2016) and The "Dark Age" (2005 - 2009)
But, Sonic deserves to be hated.
@@khavakhava2446why
@@Tails_being_chill cause he simply doesnt understand sonic
Or he just played forces and quitted sonic
Let's not forgot the first dark age (1994-1997)
2005-2009 - Dark era? Are you kidding me? This is the best era ever. This era gave us Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic and the Black Knight, which are the best Sonic games of all time!
I think there are two things that make people think that Sonic was always bad:
1. As you said in the video, 06 was terrible and has since tarnished the reputation of Sonic and critics somehow cannot stop mentiong it (even though the game is 17 years old, just let it rest in peace).
2. The toxic fanbase. There are many different opinions on Sonic and somehow people become extremely toxic about "no your opinion is wrong" "no my opinion is right". People just see the outisde of the fanbase, read a few toxic tweets, and write off the whole series and it's fans.
And number two can also be traced back to 06, since a lot of the videos that spawned the whole stereotype of “toxic sonic fan” popped up around that time (sammyclassicsonicfan’s legendary rant comes to mind)
@@jackhumphries1087 Ah, ok.
The Sonic community is toxic as well?!
@@sp4rk7772 you been living under a rock?
@@sp4rk7772 You must be stupid.
No, the Sonic community is not toxic. However, there are toxic people within the fandom, just like all other fandoms.
No matter how bad a Sonic game is they at least still have good music
Except for Sonic Chronicles
@cosmicminun59 that game had music?
I forgot that existed
Except for Sonic Forces.
@lafbkhope5391 what do you mean forces has good music
I never want to hear the phrase “it’s good, for a Sonic game” ever again, because it gives the implication that Sonic games can’t be as well made or fun as other games, which is factually not the case. Yet I hear people say this every time a new Sonic game comes out that happens to be received well.
Heck, I’m willing to bet Sonic Superstars will score an 8/10 while Super Mario Bros Wonder obviously scores a 10/10 just because it’s Sonic; even if Superstars did end up received better.
Wonder what is the youtuber or whatever media user is a idiot enough to say that?
Here from the future to say you weren't wrong. Sonic Superstars is a very well innovative game that actually gave the players a good challenge, but still recieved a far lower score than Mario Bros Wonder that only had 4 bosses that were the same Bowser Jr. and was piss easy but because Sonic is Sonic it got the lower score
@@ExMonarch Yeah, there’s clearly a Mario positivity bias and a Sonic negativity bias; The vast majority of Mario fans & critics only look for the best aspects of each game to praise whilst downplaying any negatives. Meanwhile, the vast majority of Sonic fans & critics only look for the worst aspects of each game whilst downplaying any positives.
I knew this would happen again since it happens every time. I’m sure there are a minority of people who don’t think this way but generally speaking this is unfortunately the case for both franchises, and I personally believe it does a disservice to each of them respectively.
Nuance matters, and I wish for once that the general public wouldn’t hand out 10/10s to everything Mario and hand mid to low 7/10s to nearly every good Sonic game “because if it’s Sonic then there must be *something* atrocious about it right?”
@@dusk173 Also it just feels like the media just doesn't want to bother with Sonic at all. They just see Sonic and go "it's Sonic, give it a 7 and move on." Like they don't want to interact with the games and do their absolute best not to acknowledge him at all even if it's good.
I played Mario Wonder and got bored within 20 minutes. I love Mario games and sonic games but it was just borrring
"no one gave a shit about Sonic Heroes"
-meanwhile being the best selling 3D Sonic game before Frontiers
joke
@@SFproductions1 Do you think PORTAL 2 is a terrible game or not? I'm curious.
Never played it
@@SFproductions1 Yeah, if you ever decide to play Valve games, avoid that game at all costs. The first Portal game is great, but the second one is horrifically atrocious. Also, Sonic '06 is better than PORTAL 2, because at least, the characters in Sonic '06 (especially Mephiles) were entertaining and tolerable. PORTAL 2 made me scream in agony when I first played it. I don't even know if you can fathom how terrible that game is. Don't worry, PORTAL 2 is the worst game Valve has ever made.
@@SFproductions1 if you wanna play Valve games, I truly recommend the Sam & Max saga. It's a masterpiece as a whole
Another thing that the "Sonic is supposed to be bad" stigma has caused is a extreme polarization of both sides. You have people being way to harsh with their criticism just because it's a Sonic game, looking at the new titles far more cynically just because it's Sonic, resulting in reviews that don't feel like genuine assessments or the critics real opinions. On the other side we have fans who feel backed into a corner and have to defend Sonic no matter what, even when the flaws are obvious to anyone looking at the new games.
The only way to fix this is for people to stop being scared to share their opinions on Sonic, stop being afraid to enjoy/criticize the games.
I can understand why fans get defensive because peps outside of the community tends to spread lies about the franchise but pretty spot on.
One thing that annoys me is that some people literally revision history by going "no sonic 06 didn't turned sonic into a laughing stock sonic colors did" it's fine if you liked 06 and disliked colors but saying that 06 didn't hurt the sonic series but colors did is completely false. If you see someone saying this ignore them because they are just a bunch of clowns on Twitter wanting attention.
It’s definitely been hard to be a Sonic fan the past few years. Especially with critics constantly telling you that “Sonic has had a rough transition to 3D” or “Sonic was never good”. That’s why I’ve gotten to the point where I don’t care what critics think about a game. If I like the game and have fun with it, that’s all that matters. We’re all allowed to have our own opinions and shouldn’t need to rely on others to determine ours. Sonic Frontiers has tons of setbacks and is not a perfect game, but it’s the most fun I’ve had with a Sonic game in a long time. It doesn’t matter to me what the general consensus of the Sonic series is, it’ll always be one of my favorite franchises of all time regardless of its various low points.
Also, I’m just gonna say it, I have more fun playing through Sonic Adventure than I do Super Mario 64. Adventure has aged much better in my opinion than 64. SM64 may have been revolutionary for the time, but I just don’t like playing through it. It feels repetitive and boring. At least with Adventure, it has highs and lows, but it keeps my interest.
Besides, Mario 64's flaws is the exact same ones that SA1 has.
I couldn’t agree more with you. People are always talking about technical stuff in a game, when really thing that matters is that you have fun. I wish more people thought like you.
Sonic Adventure was a pretty good transition to 3D and I'm tired of pretending it isn't
Mario 64 is still better then Sunshine. Odyssey is probably better than both.
Critics 🤮 everyone that hated Sonic I hat e you
In my opinion most 3D Sonic games are good, SA1, SA2, Heroes, Shadow, Unleashed, Colours, Generations and Frontiers. Lost World and Forces are not really that bad, they are still playable games with some fun to be had with them and the storybook games are good as long as you have patience with their annoying controls. It’s mostly 06 and Boom that are just the bad 3D games.
I don't know why People hate Sonic. Let's start with Sonic Frontiers. Everyone hates on Sonic Frontiers because it didn't have the fans hope
EXACTLY
Really the only 3D Sonic games I would say are bad are 06, Secret Rings and Rise of Lyric. Forces and 3D Blast are forgettable but I wouldn't say they're bad games.
Wait Shadow is supposed to be good?
Boom was not bad either people just overemphasized the glitches before it was patched, I think it’s a great games based on a tv show it’s was ambitious and tried new things
3:42-3:49 this part is SUPER true.
One instance is this was when the sonic movie 2 was release and right after release Watchmojo made a
" Top 20 WORST sonic games" vid from that alone i realize that some influential content creators are just use to/want sonic to fail or continue to be bad.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. I was reading an article this morning on a gaming news site, and you should've seen all the people in the comments just trashing Sega and Sonic Superstars, calling it "Sonic 4 - Episode 3" and whatnot. It was horrific.
Sega itself also bears the same issue, though probably not to the same extent as the Sonic IP. I think a lot of people actually like the Yakuza games and other stuff they make, but it seems like when Sega makes a couple *very* minor mistakes, people will just explode their load of hatred all over the company. Whereas, if it's *Nintendo* making similar mistakes, it's usually forgotten about within two weeks.
For example, a complaint about Sonic Superstars I hear a lot is its high price for a 2D platformer. Okay, so tell me why Nintendo sells an OLED Switch model and markets it like we haven't already had that technology for the past 10+ years? Or, why they put out such a mediocre compilation like Super Mario 3D All-stars?
Nintendo is certainly a much eviler company than Sega in my opinion. Sega is just kinda like the drunk guy at your house party who makes mistakes here and there but is generally a good-hearted individual, but then people will just ridicule him out of nowhere for simply being a little clumsy.
Part of it I feel like is deliberate.
1 ) 06 made the series an acceptable target. You can't bash Zelda without a lot of fans ripping you to shreds, but Sonic 06 and a few other games made the idea that Sonic sucks just... accepted.
2 ) SOME POPULAR UA-camRS built their careers off of bashing that game in particular. So of course they want to milk that cow as much as possible. That's why any good the series does gets downplayed and even the slightest hiccup in a game like Frontiers gets cried about as "the next coming of 06."
*cough cough* egoraptor
That feels really true and it’s so sad how the Sonic franchise sucks even though there are absolute gems in this franchise!
These """gems""" also fckng sucks just as the rest of this mid franchise lol
Well In Japan they say the classic and adventure series were good but heroes , shadow 06 , colors were bad
Unleashed , generations were good
Lost world , boom , forces were bad
Frontiers is super good.
In Japan they don't use bad games to shit on the franchise no they always see good the potential compared to the US
the gaming industry in the US always been shit unfortunately.
Now thanks to frontiers sonic as finally become popular in Japan it's obvious Sega is secretly done making sonic appealing to the US cuz they shit on sonic to make people not enjoy the series .
Plot twist naoto oshima follows ign on Twitter how Ironic it can be that he doesn't know that IGN shitted on sonic 😂.
@@Darkparadox64 Either way, no matter how many ""good"" titles they bring on the table, it will be crap no matter what lol
@@MasterAlpha1000 agreed I love sonic I'm not a fan bcuz of the fanbase, but if sonic was better managed franchise and stayed truth to naoto oshima original vision then the franchise would suck less
@@MasterAlpha1000 cuz you are just a combination of jew wario and egoraptor
No matter what I will always love sonic
Ok chrischan
@@MasterAlpha1000 know your place ign reviewer
@@alptugraakan7490 cry harder, dvmbfvck
Honestly, I think it's more than a little unfair for a franchise to be faulted for one game that happened well over a decade ago.
Yes Sonic 06 happened, yes there have been plenty of mediocre games since (shout out to Lost world), but I do not believe it is right for an iconic franchise to keep getting dunked on for its past.
Sonic is GOOD now, so let's stop throwing shade💯
You know I think the only way people will take Sonic as seriously as they did from 1991-2001 (which is technically kinda the last time Sonic was treated as a gaming legend) we would need 10-15 years of 8/10 Sonic games for that to change.
People who like Sonic are some of the most real people in the world.
I hate how you can clearly see the effort that the devs put into trying to translate the Sonic gameplay format to 3D with Sonic Adventure, yet people still claim it's a mediocre or bad game because of '06.
I mean, the game was made only in 11 months in 1998, and it's still one of the best, if not, the best 3D Sonic game we ever got (and a good transition to 3D).
Nah, it's not because of 06, it's because of poor design decisions of that game, such as including polarising gameplay styles like fishing, treasure hunting, shooting, pet simulation. How can it be a good transition into 3d if most of the game has nothing to do with Sonic gameplay?
Not to mention that the Sonic gameplay itself is very flawed, supplanting momentum with automation, a design decision that continues to plague 3d Sonic games to this day.
@@snakey888 Treasure hunting is very in line with Knuckles gameplay from S3&K, which is more focused on exploration, Gamma's shooting is harmless to the game, and you can get some enjoyment out of these two styles of gameplay.
Problems such as automation were a product of their time, they didn't have all the technology we have nowadays. And again, the problem is that Sonic Team, instead of building upon a good framework that Adventure gave us for a great 3D Sonic game, they just made SA's flaws even worse, and it went all downhill after Sonic Adventure 2.
also, did I really just read that chao garden makes Adventure 1 worse?
@@CaptainSwag
Except that in S3k Knuckles' gameplay wasn't about mindlessly playing hot and cold, made even worse in sa2.
Sure, the mech shooting is harmless in the sense that it won't actually physically hurt anyone. But an evolution of Sonic gameplay in 3d? Nope. Not even Sonic gameplay period, why is it in a Sonic game in the first place. Again, made even worse in sa2.
Nah, the technology was there two console generations prior, seeing as the mega drive could pull it off. It was a design decision that has since stuck with the series since. That's the kind of poor framework sa games provided, that even current games suffer from, automation being one such problem, alternative playstyles being another.
@@snakey888 The alternate gameplay styles aren't as good as Sonic's, and they really took away the time they could've fleshed him out, but to say his gameplay is bad? Nah.
I stand by my point that they did a good job for the small time they had, and if they really wanted to, they could've done something amazing with that framework (When I say framework, I mean Sonic's general movement, not poor dash panel placement or automated loops. The spamdash was an oversight they removed in SA2) if the problems with the Adventure games were fixed in later games.
Even though SA2 is a general weaker game than SA1 for me, I can see that they tried to fix some of the first game's problems, like collision and physics. It still wasn't ideal, but they kind of tried. Sadly, loops in SA2 were pure spectacle at that point.
By the time Sonic 1 released, most developers were already used to programming 2D games. 3D games were still being figured out by the time Adventure 1 came out, so I really think it's safe to say they had their limitations back then.
@@CaptainSwag
Yeah, they still have those limitations that the sa framework set, hence why 3d Sonic games to this day continue to disappoint. The way to improve upon it, is to make it even more automated, as sa2 showcased, meaning that it's a framework that belongs in the garbage. It's puzzling why they still insist on using it, despite the obvious limitations.
Y'all need to stop,just stop now. You fans are just hating Sonic just to hate him. Sonic is doing good,let sega cook and stop bringing up excuses about the pass and move on. Sonic Frontiers was successful,y'all are just finding ways to rush and hate the game being lazy and skipping the cutescenes. Stop crapping on Sonic saying he's terrible for no reason and love him for who he is!
You are not the King of Sonic.
Sonic has so many bad games
Sonic is good
@@jamesdeanrodriguez1791Sonic Adventure 1,2,Unleashed,Generations,Mania,and Frontiers was really good games. The last game that was bad was Forces,now because of Sonic Frontiers,the game did pretty good. Its going to be really good when update 3 gets release. The haters just want to get rid of him and that's not the case.
Still doesn't excuse the fact how much damage we had go through by the public(With bits of journalism too).
@@zeroxenoverse9251 they should give Sonic the hedgehog to toryiama,I mean Sonic is a Anime character too.
@@sonicthehedgehog702GET ADVENTURE OUT OF THE LIST!!!!!!!!!! ITS LITERALLY LOW QUALITY MODELS AND THE TEXTURES ARE JUST PHOTOS! [im not a sonic hater im a sonic adventure hater]
The Sonic series is like that one kid who peed in class when he was young and everyone always talk about him no matter how much time goes on
I lay some of the blame on influential people in the gaming community, such Game Grumps and their rather repetitive fans. These people echo opinions like ravens because of either peer pressure or a desire to be seen.
THANK YOU! I was thinking the same thing. Because sonic team is known for listening to their fans.
So they try to appeal to as much ppl as possible. Thus, leading to Sonics identity crisis.
While Egoraptor showed everybody how pathetically mid and poorly aged most of these games are lmao
Talk about Chrischan level type of deranged on Sonic fanboys
The people that say that 3D sonic sucks are the same people that can't take a Sonic story seriously and just make fun of the ambition like if it was cringe
and say that SONIC COLORS HAS THE BEST STORY OUT OF ANY SONIC GAME
and now I have a question: should I move to mars after that?
Have you moved to Mars yet?
Oh excuse me for bluntness. I work in real estate and I would like to know if you vacated the property. The market value of the neighborhood tends rise up whenever there is one less cringe Sonic fan with poor taste.
@@carloscreative5538 dang imao
I'm a veteran Sonic fan, been one since the Master System days and played most of the game mostly in order of release, and I've since come to my own conclusion of why so many people don't like or actively hate Sonic:
1) The gameplay was too complex to many people. Your average 2D sidescroller platformer, like Mario, will have you go to point A to B in linear fashion, jumping, with maybe some simple attack action and some optional collectibles along the way. Sonic is not the hardest ever, but it introduced a pinball-like physics system to the equation, many branching paths, different gimmicks and things pushing you all around, the Special Stages, and the speed. A lot of people just never got into Sonic (never even the 2D games) because the games expected too much of the player. You can see this bleeding over modern games, like Riders 1 (which was way more complex than your average Mario Kart clone), and Unleashed. Over time the games became more linear and automated to accommodate casual players. Lost World's gameplay style was a way to make Sonic more casual friendly, with the run button and parkour system, and no physics;
2) Being Sega's mascot and Sega's consoles, when the Dreamcast died and Sega left the home console market, a lot of people assumed Sonic died with the Dreamcast. If you trace back all the negative reviews by gaming press you'll see that the "Sonic was never good" narrative began with Sonic Adventure 2: Battle, the first Sonic game released for a main Nintendo console. Sonic Mega Collection was also criticized by the press because "some of the games included are not good". To some people, Sonic is the best bit of Sega's relevancy the Gaming Sphere that refuses to die. The mediocre to bad games only facilitated this narrative.
3) The internet and UA-cam's boom of popularity. Game/media reviews became one of the first big kinds of content on YT, with many being game reviews. Many people were influenced by AVGN. When it came to mock bad games, Sonic 06 was an easy target, which later prompted a revisionist look at older Sonic games. This is where the "Sonic had a rough transition to 3D" lie came to be, despite the original Dreamcast releases of SA1 and SA2 having high scores from the press at the time and being two of the best selling games on the system;
4) Sega releasing garbage ports. I think this might be one of the most important historical factors to that led to the damage done to this brand, far more than Sonic 06. The PS2 was way more popular worldwide than the GCN and Xbox combined, specially in countries like Brazil. The PS2 version of Sonic Heroes is atrocious! It has bad framerate, bad graphics, is more buggy. The PC version was an early build that had its own issues. Then, the SADX and subsequent ports of SA1 forever tarnished the public's perception of SA1 as a buggy ugly mess of a game. The HD port of SA2 has its own issues. Only hardcore fans will go out of their way to install the Dreamcast Conversion mod to fix the Steam port of SA1, the majority of the players will play the inferior vanilla experience. I can't wait to see how much damage Colors: Ultimate will do to Colors reputation in the future.
Let's be honest, a major reason why sa1 on dc got good reviews was because how technically impressive it was. Many things, like the poor design choices and glitches, which yes the dc version too was filled with, were forgiven. By 2002/3 people were no longer impressed by those graphics so the game and the gameplay itself came into focus, which isn't all that good.
Also, the gameplay of the mega drive Sonic games was generally simpler and more forgiving than contemporary platformers. Only requiring one button to play, much more straightforward power ups and the ring system which was very forgiving of mistakes. Sonic was one of the easier platformers back then, and none of the aspects you mentioned were required of the player to engage with.
No matter how most of the games suck I will never hate the sonic franchise.
you're not alone
ok but sonic did redeem it self with sonic movie 2 and sonic frontiers last year
They just need to not mess up superstars and make it a good classic sonic game
What about Sonic mania?
They didnt messed up but for some reason people like to bash it like they learned nothing from unleashed
@@Mr.Feather130That was followed by sonic forces lok
@@mah1789 and Sonic forces is followed up by a racing spin off game and the remaster of colors
the general mob mentality when people hate on sonic.
Sonic Mania was definitely one of the only new games that no sonic fan could hate studiopolis soundtrack is godly
A loved Mania, but even I admit it was more of a nostalgia trip than anything.
Thankfully Frontiers kinda moved on from the nostalgia cash grab the franchise was laying itself on.
Low key this is why i don’t pay attention to the sonic community
At least no one says that sonic games are terrible and 'always bad.' Thank sonic frontiers for that!
For now.
That scumbag from IGN who lambasted Unleashed for his lack of skill as well as obvious hatred of the franchise made it worse and probably lead to the meta era.
Simple. Them not willing to play the game properly so they use their own stupidity.
A GIANT FAXXXXX
Sonic did NOT have a rough transition into 3D otherwise SA1 would not be SA1
I feel that the meta era happened because of that ign unleashed review that discourage sonic team to attempt new things sticking only with the boost formula because it was highly praised in unleashed shortly making Colors
Twitter really be having me question my mental capacity for liking Sonic
1:12 “just because it’s not the sonic game you wanted”
My friend: it’s a sonic game, all sonic games are bad
Your friend shares the same idea master alpha guy in the comments has(he calls sonic lovers "chris chan level of fanboys")
Despite how bad the games may be, I still find a good bit of joy playing them. Hell. Even Rise of Lyric I enjoyed the steps they were taking to make that variation of Sonic Different. I think it’s because I’m not too big of a critic to hate on games. If I enjoy them, I’ll play them again. Even Lost World on both 3DS and WIIU I’d wish I could try.
I love Sonic Forces, my best played game of all time but uhh, you might think i'm crazy since you all say Sonic Forces is the "worst" game. I don't understand why you guys hate the game, i had fun playing it even if the story was short. Even if classic sonic has an momentum that's so bad, i love the game.
It does suck being a sonic fan these days. Whenever u tell anyone u like sonic they'll say 'bro thats so sad, play call of duty cuz thats for big boys' 😐
i know right...? people just want to hate and hate on sonic UNTILL HE'S DEAD! i just want sonic to be saved from this- USELESS HATING JUST BECAUSE OF 06!
@@DaEpicoSoul and when hes dead,they will go "man,i liked it when sonic was there to compete with mario"
Bro it's 2024, Sonic is good again.
Frontiers was clearly an evolution. The combat and open zone concept is phenomenal..and the boss fights are doubtlessly among the best in gaming history
Lol talk about lack of vision
Egoraptor might prove yall otherwise
@@MasterAlpha1000Shut up.
@@MasterAlpha1000 egoraptor=ur only defense
@@MasterAlpha1000 also midoraptor likes the idea of sonic.If anything,he become a lead vocal in an infinite's theme song cover
It feels like one bad games is unforgiveable and permanently harms sonics reputation forever. 06 might have been bad gameplay wise, but later games like unleased and generations makes up for all of that and much more.
Honestly I could play throught some of the more ''janky'' games and loving it. SA1 on steam without mod are oftern trased for being a bad port (which honestly I understand), but I had no problem playing through the game. Hell, I encountered more jank in the gamecube version of SA2 than my playthrough of SA2 on steam, but I still loved my playthrough of the game.
I think in my opinion people constantly hating frionters is kinds coming from a projecting scenario honestly if any Sonic game is suddenly nicely made Any Petty "fans" have to bring up O6 cause there Projecting
Nah, more like common sense on how mid this franchise can be
@@MasterAlpha1000 nah,more like how much of a crybaby they are,just like u
@@MasterAlpha1000 1 game.If that 1 single freaking game which is over 17 years old,still is the reason why sonics was never good then that isnt because of how bad sonic is .Thats because of how whiny you are over a 17 year old game and annoyed you are bcs of that 17 year old game.Ppl like you either only played sonic 06 and left the franchise,or they are just a bunch of newborn babies that talks trash about sonic
@@alptugraakan7490 nah, bruh, that one single crappy game was a wake up call to notices how every single 3D game sucks in general
You can fvcking cope harder whatever you want that won't fix any shitty sonic game to 98 to this day
Deal with it
@@alptugraakan7490 it's your opinion with the simping fanboys alongsinde with the entire gaming community bro, know when yall lose lmao
The Sonic Adventure games were not mediocre they were well-received when they came out
I'm probably the only person that actually likes Sonic 06. the gameplay was definitely buggy as all hell but i liked the amount of playable characters and the interconnected stories and yes i liked how serious it took itself. I wish it could've been better honestly but i don't hate it
Nowadays every franchise has the toxic debates amongst the fandom on which game is good or bad.
Sonic shouldn’t be hated sega gives the fans what they want but you know why sonic is hated because of Japan
Nowadays? Bruh it’s been like this post Dreamcast. Only with colours and generators everyone came together for once, then lost world killed that and cycle repeated.
Then suddenly,frontiers and murder of sonic the hedgehog and sonic movie 1 assembled all the sonic fans together again
I never hated Sonic
Me neither!😃
I did
I believe people who say sonic was always a bad series just because of 06 alone or just a few games were bad are just incredibly hypocritical. 06 fumbled because of Sega, not Sonic Team. And even then, we can say the same for let’s say…Mario, Zelda, Kirby, Pokémon, Metroid, etc. And those will still get praised even if they had a bad few games(or mediocre at best), what makes Sonic any different? I think the hate is just incredibly unnecessary and unfair cause if they can overly hate on Sonic, then the same can be said for Mario or any other franchise out there…New Super Mario Bros 2, Hotel Mario, I can go on really
i use to be a sonic hater but then i play one of his games and they were pretty awesome and sonic was cool which i ended up playing more of his games and became a sonic fan
People saying that Sonic is intended to be made bad is something I won't stand for
Im not a fan of 3d Sonic games. I only enjoyed Sonic Colours in the WII, but Id never call a Game bad, just because its 3d Sonic. Just because you dont like the Games, doesn't make the Games bad. I Like Most 2d Games and Im looking Forward to Superstars
2.5 d actually
The short answer is that they’re way past uncool
I like how there's collectively more people liking the lesser known titles or the more disliked ones like Black Knight or even Sonic 06. Which by the way functions more than most games that are coming out today. Example? Battlefield 2042, Cyberpunk 2077, any Ubisoft title. I could keep going but rather not. 😅
2:25 EVERYONE THAT HATED SONIC 06 SHOLD PLAY SONIC P-06 AND THAT IS 100% FACTS
I hear people say sonic fans are toxic but that is so not true we are just over protective of the media sega produces like any other community most of the hate comes from Nintendo fan boys and they have the right to say we are toxic? Sega started that fight and i thought we ended it Nintendo fans really cant get over the past.
I feel like the Sonic fanbase needs a tune up or some guidelines.
Just remember sonic 06 already has 17 years... And people still try to shit in a franchise just because that....
which it's really pathetic they just can't let it go
Sonic was never good MFs after playing Sonic Frontiers for 2 seconds: "I get it..."
"After you get what you want,you dont want it"
Pizzahead(i forgot the original composer so)
Sonic ran too away so Mario could walk.
Sonic Forces is NOT a bad game and does NOT deserve the hate it gets by any means
The reason why I hate the sonic series is because of amy and tails i detest those two characters, also hate the fan base and there obsession with shipping characters
Reasonable..
But whybtails and Amy what did they do to you
@@JakeThehedgehog-m1x now in today im starting to actually like tails but amy i still hate that bitch she is easily top 3 most overrated sonic character oat, frontires is the most recent sonic game to make her an actual normal person and the fanbase is allready thinking she the sally acorn of today, before that game she was an annoying rude piece of shit and its been like that for two decades, its enough for me to say yeah she is a D tier chadacter there is nothing funny about being obsessive and sonamy for the longest time has been one sided and for obvious reasons
Fr l'm a sonic fan I and I could care less about damn ships it's annoying searching for sonic content in the community just for dumb ships to he talk about I honestly find sonic as someone who personally doesn't see himself in a relationship all the ships are stupid and I can't take them seriously
I still like sonic but one of the games is sonic 06 needs rewrite story properly so it make it really good
It just doesn't have that mainstream appeal compared to mario, its something that needs to be looked into more.
Bad faith reviews for the Sonic franchise have been a thing since the late 2000's. Im not denying that this franchise has had its bad games, but It's as if these video game "critics" and "journalists" all get paid to drag down Sonic's reputation as much as much as they can whenever something new is shown off. They blow their half their critiques completely out of proportion, and the other half they just pull from their buttholes. its either that or they just go "btw, remember Sonic 06?" or "Rough transition to 3D" as a copout
Swear to God, I could immediately sniff out the fact that they were trying to discredit Shadow Generations when it was first shown off and Summer Games Fest. 🤦
I think the Other Projects decreased this Hate for Sonic like Sonic Movies and Prime because Sonic is no longer just a Video Game Character and it's Hard to Like Sonic just Because the Games Since Mania was the Last Good Game from Sonic we got so far (if we didn't include Frontiers Because it got Mixed Opinions)
I didn’t even watch the video and I’m commenting
Wow
Am I the only one who liked the Sonic 06 along with Sonic Riders Zero Gravity & the Shadow the Hedgehog game?
How the critics feel about Sonic is a good parallel to those people super hero movies saying the villain can’t be redeemed
The old saying people will never let go of your mistakes
06 happen, Forces happened, Colors Ultimate had a rough few months, several patches laters, it runs better and barely anyone complains about it anymore
But we will have the bad game rep, people talking about the "rough transition into 3D", and the toxic fanbase pf Sonoc Tubers
Because people like Arin, Chris Chan, Mariotehplumber, all the toxic and creeps
We are Pokemon community bad and the that took years for them to make ot hard for children to just enjoy the games
3d ruined the franchise imo i hate 2D cuz it has nothing in it it feels lifeless and if i had to love a 2D sonic game i'd give it to mania and ultimate flashs onic only ogs will know this one but imo 3D is what makes me love sonic games cuz it what SONIC IN MY OPINION SOHULD BE LIKE i loved sonic x i it was what made me love the franchise as a kid want games like sonic x with deep plot story characters depth i don't want it to be a friendly mario game like a hedgheog saving the planet over and over i love 3D sonic ,and no matter how bad sonic games are no matter how bad the franchise will be i will always love sonic no matter what
Looking strictly at the mainline games, Sonic has more good games than bad ones. Not that different from series like Castlevania or Megaman. I believe it's the image the general public has of the fandom (mostly way over exaggerated) that makes it cool and hip to diss Sonic specifically.
Exactly. There are more good than bad Sonic games.
Sonic gets hated on I think because of how toxic the fanbase is.. And known for. I think. Because when we see something negative we tend to want to stay away from it right away
But I love sonic and this video I been a fan for almost 20 years now? I mean possibly 20 years now.
Honestly this whole thing about the Sonic fanbase being toxic is over exaggerated. Every single fanbase has toxic people in it. It isn't exclusive to Sonic.
@@andarilho_31 my bad realize you weren't saying (there isn't no toxic sonic fans) but you are right every fanbase has them
@@Egood_tyi was a fan for 2 years. and i was a spider-man fan for 6 years. still love spidey tho.
After the whole game awards nonsense from last year, I have no respect for the Sonic fanbase.
Sonic is a outstanding series people who hate a series over a game or two or saying Sonic had bad 3d games rough transition to 3d etc.those people doesn't make them interesting or cool there miserable lowlifes living in the past besides the present blinded Sonic has gonna better not only games but other media. every new game Sega & Sonic team makes will be good we don't need a silly reminder from sorry people telling us what happened in the past.the things the critics says about Sonic is irrelevant they don't matter what matters we love the series rather they like it or not haters & critics can't go f them selfs the stupid hate sonic gets from most people are from miserable people.
I have a mate that literally hates all Sonic games. He complains that the 2d ones don't control like Hollow Knight and that the 3D ones are just "shit". No reasoning, just that they're "shit". He'll shit on Sonic any chance he gets, no hesitation
now this is just blind hate
So, Mario 64 is groundbreaking but Adventure 1 is just Sonic in 3d... Where is the difference? They both do the same thing - adding third dimension to the game, and both did that perfectly for their age. But on top of that Adventure also added different characters with unique playstyles. Then why 64 is groundbraking but SA is not?
Recency bias... that's why
I think the fanbase also "helped", to increase the bad reputation of the franchise. I know that are many good people on the community, but after watching some videos of weird sonic fans...
Unfortunally i have to agree: sonic Fandom it's one of the worst, and this kinda embarasses me because i'm a sonic fan since 2005 . And no matter how sonic team tries to please everyone with a good sonic game, the executives never let then finish the game propely. I think if the fanbase unites, and say something like: Hey Sega , it's all right if the gane takes 6 or 7 years to be done, since the game be at least a 9/10 it's worthy. I'm tired of Rushed Sonic games! Come on , the last truly Good Sonic's Masterpiece was Generations. We are now 12 years without a 10/10 3D game( disclaimer: i like Frontiers, i think is a 7/10, but still is not good enough for Sonic) Sonic deserves more, we deserves more, it's time to Sonic team make Sonic games that are worthy of the Sonic Legacy.
now that's what i would like to see a legit fan who has higher standards and actually want improvement and believe the franchise can be even better more further! we need more fans like you man seriously
Sonic 06 was so bad that sega made the ending make it non canon
But it was referenced in Sonic Colors DS
SimpIe answer:
cus he's not Silver and Blaze
Then you shouldn't play sonic.
I still love Sonic the Hedgehog always
I love sonic and always will love sonic same thing with Mario I love Mario and always will love Mario
I loved Sonic Heroes ):
The title of the video is a little misleading but sonic frontiers is a step in the right direction it’s not perfect but it’s definitely still fun and you can make it more fun with mods sega is actually listening to the community now and making changes to make the game better
I personally love most sonic games and at least 3 from each era even though I’m a classic sonic sucker
Luckily, we picked up steam after Forces as we got some actually good games like Sonic Speed Battle, Team Sonic Racing, (maybe) Sonic Frontiers, Sonic Superstars, even X Shadow Gens which is coming up soon. There’s no way that can be terrible right? (I mean right?
Well it happens, but we may like or dislike but it’s all about opinions and people have that.but I don’t originally “hate” sonic, we all have our personal tastes and how we go around into Sonic but not disliking.
Good thing I love most Sonic games (Even 06) I just don't see a point having this hate over a franchise throughout my life like most people on the internet do, I cannot stand seeing all this hate and bashing other sonic games, because I know they aren't saying it because "opinion" I know they are doing it to gain attention, and it always wins, there's just no debates, just fighting and calling people names and shaming, it's pathetic
I love sonic.
Why you wait sonic if anyone says they hate sonic sonics watching ok
Was that wait Supposed to be.
Hate
I hate sonic because it's frustrating and boring
Btw this is my opinion and is very subjective
@@duplicake4054 boring one isnt sonic.Sonic is that one kid whos always messed up but still gets up and fights.I think boring but fun and consistent is mario
@@alptugraakan7490 No I mean sonic, I way prefer mario
@@duplicake4054 ok im not gonna complain and be cool unless if you say sonic was never good
I think it’s more like people made fun of Sonic rather than hating on the character. I mean don’t get me wrong. 06 is certainly a huge dumpster fire for what it was. But you do gotta admit, at least with some exceptions like Sonic 4 and Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood, the music is always the best thing about the franchise. I mean as bad as 06 was, you do gotta admit the music is kick ass awesome right?
More like them hating the franchise.
Imo 3D sonic will always be more enjoyable than 2D sonic. I like forces more than sonic 1 and 2 but not more than 3&K, mania, CD and superstars
Well, I don't know what about you guys, but I think we must consentrate on Frontiers only, as we know it evolved the franchise, and forget about 06 and stop hating Sonic. I guess there's no other choice.
So in conclusion if sonic 06 never released sonic would be considered the best series ever made, makes enough sense for me. Not stopping me from playing P06
Sonic game if its gets bad then taking criticisms gets to be taken . But if they crosses the line that’s okey .
He said something controversial on twitter
Who
@@RameNoodls sonic
@@lemoncoatedDX what did he say
@RameNoodls dude its a joke 😂
Ign will definitely hate sonic frontiers they really said sonic has never been good sonic frontiers is a good game it's open zone which is cool I like 3d sonic
IGN didn’t hate Sonic Frontiers, they gave it a 7/10 which isn’t an amazing score but it isn’t a bad one either.
@@kirbymasterx-3637 bro that video still aged like a milk they gave forces a 6.9 and give frontiers 7 just 0.1 increased score..great :/ they should've atleast give a 8/10 and called it the day.
I feel like people said Sonic 06 was bad until Sonic boom came out