The Nikon Z50 is a HUGE Mistake
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- Опубліковано 10 жов 2019
- The Nikon Z50 is the newest APS-C mirrorless camera for Nikon's Z-mount. It has 20.9 megapixels, 11 frames per second, and 4k video (full-width) at 30 FPS. That sounds GREAT, but it has a few HUGE problems. Tony Northrup tells you about them in this video.
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They didn't send you one did they Tony.
ahahaha
Well
Or in other words they were not invited to the launch party ;)
Haha. Spot on 👍🏻👍🏻
Lol
The Z50 is a great DX Mirrorless body. You are totally wrong.
yeah, haters will hate. It looks like some people are just looking for a reason to discredit nikon
@@bijosn OMG yes. Why do all my YT guys hate on these cameras??? I bought one and LOVE IT. In fact, it has almost completely replaced my D750 for everything EXCEPT for portraits.
Sir I want to ask a question, as you said it's a good camera then may be u have used it..... Recently I bought this camera but after 20-30 snaps, it's heating... Is it okay or it is a problem if the camera is heating. Please I need a fast reply.
@@abhisiktasaha9509 is it actually shutting off because of heat??
Abhisikta Saha If your camera is heating after 20-30 images taken, I’d return it. It seems to me there is something wrong with it. I have never had that problem.
This is one of the best Nikon DX camera's ever made in my opinion. Even the kit lenses are really sharp. I just don't agree.
Agreed
Agree 100% not everyone wants to drop $2000 on a mirrorless camera
Nikon reviews are bias
Absolutely agreed. I have a z72 I have a z62 I have a Z50. I don't care which camera I reach out and grab I'm going to get an awesome photo. The Z50 rocks.
He is biased against Nikon. You typically won't see Nikon inviting Tony and other influences to a big Las Vegas event with sand buggies and other paid entertainment like Sony did in 2018. As a result Sony gets a lot of favorable reviews and positive coverage by influencers, while Nikon typically doesn't. Influencers need free content, and they also want benefits in exchange of promotion.
First off, this may be the very fist UA-cam video that I think I've disliked. Ever. Sorry Tony, but you're flat-out wrong about the Z50.
1. Using the Z-mount for DX bodies makes *perfect* sense. It increases lens availability (or rather, doesn't exclude the use of Z-mount lenses), and even if much of that diameter is wasted *optically*, you get that much more room for mechanical things like VR, collapsing lenses, powerful autofocus motors, etc. The 16-50 kit lens that was announced with the Z50 is minuscule compared to the old F-mount 18-55 DX kit lenses overall, even if it's a bit wider around, and the test videos I've seen of it show it focusing amazingly quickly.
2. As long as you're using good glass, there is absolutely no drawback to using full frame lenses on a crop sensor body from an optical standpoint. This is a myth and you seriously need to stop propagating it. Will a crop sensor showcase the resolution limits of a full frame lens more acutely than a full frame sensor will? Possibly, depending on the pixel pitch of the sensor, but a D850 or Z7 will highlight those same limits just as much as a D500 or Z50 will. Either way, that's an issue with the *lenses*, not the mounts or the sensors. Will an FX lens be heavier and more expensive than an equivalent lens optimized for DX? Yes, obviously, but until Nikon starts releasing DX glass that performs to the same standards as their pro FX glass, the FX lenses are still the best option. Plus, they're useful on a wider selection of bodies (unless you get your way). Worth noting: I use a 300mm f/4 on a DX body for sports photography and get results comparable to, if not better than, using a 70-200 f/2.8 on an FX body in terms of image quality. Good glass matters, and until Nikon starts releasing high-end glass in DX format, using FX glass is just fine.
3. I definitely agree that Nikon flubbed up the selection of lenses with the Z6 and Z7 launch. Nikon was going on and on about how compact the Z6 and Z7 were...and then released no compact lenses with them. A "nifty 50" equivalent would have been *perfect* to launch with. I think the two DX lenses they announced look right on the money, and I'm happy to see some less expensive lenses coming down the pipe soon though, so hopefully that will get better as time goes on.
4. There's plenty of reasons why making a mirrorless F-mount body is a *horrible* idea. First and foremost, the flange distance (distance from the image plane to the mount surface) for the F-Mount is just as massive as the diameter of the F-mount is tiny. This is the reason why you can't adapt most other 35mm lenses to Nikon without hacking off part of the lens body or using corrective optics. If you want to actually be able to use existing F-mount lenses on a mirrorless camera, you'd be forcing the camera to be considerably thicker than it would need to be otherwise to accommodate that massive flange distance. Or, if you just want to keep the physical mount and forego compatibility, you'd create even more confusion than you complain about existing because FX and DX mirrorless cameras share the same mount.
you nailed it !
He's wrong about most things
I have to agree with you!
Well said!
Totally agree!! The Z50 is a great camera for video and photos.
Com'on man, test the Z 50 first, take photos/videos with it before you bash it into its core.
This wasn't a review
He didn't even touch the camera, sad
@@TonyAndChelsea then stop bubbling.. you are the HUGE mistake
Facts and specs here don’t lie. The entire video is correct.
He is a UA-cam’s he does that for views ... this camera will be a hit in Japan
Usually I agree with you, but when I don’t, I REALLY don’t. I bet the z50 sells well and helps the Z series grow to the masses. Also, I use the fast frame rate with my Z6 and it’s fine. I don’t understand why you need to slow yours down. Must be your reliance on automatic modes. One last thing, quit judging folks who use FX glass on DX bodies while at the same time recommending the D500 200-500 f/5.6 combo. Thanks for all your hard work as always but I have to let you know when you I disagree.
Phil Thach 🙏
Good point about the crop sensor Nikon D500 and the full frame 200-500 lens. I use. Nikon D7200 and the 200-500 lens and I couldn’t be happier with this superb combination. One might even argue that you get sharper images using this combination vs using the 200-500 lens with a full frame body.
@@fardanhasan4702 I got you point, but that is not a fair comparison :) 50mm is a prime lens and despite being dirt cheap, it is sharper (like all good primes) than all the zoom lenses. :)
The crop sensor statement is just totally wrong.. IT JUST CROPS its not less sharp or anything, usually image quality should be even better since you use more of the good center glass than the edge where all the error occurs
I think people take these things far too personally.
This camera is fabulous, massively underrated. Unfortunately many UA-camrs are aligned with Sony and Canon so you don’t see this getting the praise it deserves. It’s an APS-C low light beast.
The camera is so useable, it makes Sony look a joke.
I think the Z mount helps with vignetting and edge sharpness too.
I actually have the Z30 and I have had a lot of cameras, including Sony and LUMIX and this is my favourite.
One thing I agree with, there needs to be more lenses, but the Viltrox line, particularly the 13mm F1.4 are awesome.
Don’t believe everything you see on UA-cam!🤷♂️
Hey, and the updates made the autofocus better and better. And there are more third party autofocus lenses (Yongnuo, TTartisan, Viltrox)
Everyone just wants to buy a Sony or Fuji camera because they are totally hyped by the influencers. Nobody tells you that some of the Sony menu is really bad.
And instead of maintaining its cameras, Sony keeps bringing out new models.
@@Marvomat8291 and Nikon Z50 after the 2.40 firmware is even a better camera, with better AF. Plus Sigma now make lenses for Z mount, the APSC trio is available now. For me Nikon has been underrated last pair of years, maybe because they are not good at marketing and don't throw cameras every quarter like Sony or Canon and to some extent Fuji. But the Nikon commitment to their gear keeping updated is a good thing. Maybe Nikon only need to launch more cameras with better video specs like 10bit, 4-2-2, log, etc. Video is a key thing in today world, even for photographers.
true, it is just a joy to use
Yeah, I'm probably going team Nikon for the first time in my life, when I eventually upgrade to a mirrorless body. Sony 6000 series is a joke ergonomically and I hate Canon's policies as of late. For now, my 7D Mark II will have to do. I did test the Nikon Z50 at the store with a 70-200 2.8 lens and it felt good.
Very disappointing video. I normally like the reviews, but I just cannot understand why he is so negative about this camera and Nikon lately. I think it is a brilliant move by Nikon to introduce the Z50.
very simple : he has never actually hold the Z50 in his hands and therefore, has never got the chance of seeing how great of a camera it is (so he is pissed about it and whine like a little spoiled child that he is ^^
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He and most of those U tubers are lost recently ... they like to push their thoughts through other people without really reviewing them.. he is not the only one... haha ... this video is a big mistake
Hi Tony, redarding the Z6 and Z7, you said: "The Z6 and Z7 cameras need to drop down to five or six frames per second to really be effective". I disagree with your statement. Certainly, it was true before. But, since the firmware update v2.0 of May 2019, AE tracking has worked alongside continuous AF in both cameras highest-speed burst rates (up to 9fps (Z7) or 12fps (Z6)). So, basically, you absolutely do not need to drop down to 5.5fps anymore to do action photography with the Z6 or the Z7. In reality, now these cameras are really effective at 9fps or 12fps in AFC mode to shoot sport or wildlife.
Don’t both the z6 and Z7 have lag and don’t show live preview when you take a photo in high extended mode tho still? Or did this get vastly improved/removed?
Diego Unger Thanks to the firmware update, AE tracking works with continuous AF in both Z7 and Z6 highest-speed burst rates (up to 9fps (Z7) or 12fps (Z6)), which is a major improvement for both cameras.
i guess he wont react to this :(
I'm not familiar with the firmware change, but I do know that when Tony quotes numbers it isn't based on specs that camera companies put out, but rather how effective the tracking is as well. From memory, a few examples: Canon EOS R was only like 1.5fps, Fuji's advertised 30fps was in reality 13fps, etc. They do lots of measuring and seeing how the focus system keeps up and he counts up the pictures that are actually in focus.
Just something to consider, it's a humbling metric for any camera.
Sometimes Tony is saying such a weird thing, that I suddenly feel the urge to call him Ken
Sorry, this video is just waste of time because you are wrong.
Yes, there are still no lenses available but this was valid for all new lens mounts. For me the Z50 makes sense not just for consumers but also for Nikon. Some people don't want a full frame even it would be equally priced than APS-C.
Let's wait how this will develop.
I respect his opinion, but I wouldn't call this a "HUGE mistake".
Hi Tony, are you really serious when you said: "I will bet that the results from the kit lens won’t even look as good as the stuff you get from the iPhone"?
Probably on drugs
I don't think he knows what an Iphone is.
He should at least test it!
okay, you have 1.34M followers, with such a huge reach into the beginner photographer community and the ever decreasing pro community, you have a responsibility to deliver factually accurate videos. Please do your homework.
He is really losing it. Surprised he still makes money as he puts out garbage
He should at least take a few pictures with the camera before he spouts off!
They are Nikon bashers very biased on Nikon reviews on all cameras made by Nikon.
There was no misinformation in this video
@@jmackultra There is, it’s moronic to suggest Nikon should use another mount for its APS-C cameras. Canon tried that with its M series cameras and now in 2023 they are doing exactly what Nikon has done: R mount for both APS-C and FF cameras. Same as CaNikon did for EF and F mount. What on earth is he babbling about? Yikes. 😂
Couldn't disagree more with your general overview of Nikon's decision to bring APSC into their Z mount offerings. In my opinion this move strengthens Nikon's future, by having a single unified mount for both FF and APSC in the same way f mount does. This means only Nikon and Sony have this potential " upgrade " path. Some users of FF actually purchase APSC specifically for its crop factor ( sports and wildlife in particular ) so it's not so crazy to put FF lenses onto an APSC body. The reality also is most photographers who shoot FF now, started with APSC. Now I do accept that the Z50 could have been better but really it's very competitive as it stands against Fujifilms XT30 and Canons M series, neither of which offer any upgrade path to their larger sensor format offerings. I'm thrilled that Nikon are taking this route and if anything I'm more confident about investing in Nikon in the future. Currently my main mirrorless system is Panasonic M43, my main DSLR system is Nikon FF DSLRs. Nikons mirrorless system at present isn't there yet for me to wish to invest in. I think once we get into Nikon's second gen Z mount FF & APSC where it has matured with bigger native lens selection and features such as twin card slots, IBIS in all bodies and " proper " battery grips I'll be ready to jump in knowing I'll still be able to utilise my investment in f mount Nikkor lenses until, over time, I replace them with native offerings. Well done Nikon for doing the right thing for the long term I say! Nikon are seeing the mirrorless arena from a long term perspective. They have the mount to even venture into medium format if they so wish, imagine if they could offer APSC, FF and Medium Format with a single unified lens selection. That forward thinking may not reward them in the short term but may well make them the dominant player in the camera market.😊
In my case you are absolutly right. I have a Sony A7iii but purchased a Sony A6400. One of my reasons for that is the benefit of the cropfactor on aps-c. I have the Sony 24-105mm f 4 for my fullframe and is planing to buy the fullframe Tamron 70-180mm f 2.8 that is rummored to come and use it on my aps-c camera (35mm equivalent = 105-270mm ). That will give me a coverage of 24-270mm.
Well i do agree that having just one mount not like canon is beneficial for the system. What could be a better mobe for nikon was to gain more strength in lenses befor launching a mediocre apsc camera with minimal lenses. The nikon apsc line in dslr still good there is no hurry to launch a mirrorless apsc now.
Yep started on apsc Nikon and then moved onto full frame Nikon. Some of the old lens I bought for the Apsc where full grame like 50mm and 85mm, that now work on my full frame camera.
Agree. Did the D500 have a different mount just because of the DX sensor? Nikon never marketed the "one mount" as Sony did but they have been doing it for ages now. It's a right move from Nikon though I am not thinking one mount will speed up the growth of the Z lenses collection. Like with F-mount and Sony E-mount there will be 2 lineups anyway. An APS-C lens will always be lighter, smaller and cheaper than its FF counterpart. Sony went one step further by allowing aps-c lens on ff body in a crop mode. This is an area for Nikon to develop.
@@andrear9500 Andrea Rotelli part of the marketing from sony as "one mount" is becase they have not just still cameras but video all with the same mount. Not all companies have just one mount for different systems. But is mostly marketing just like the massive nikon mount that is just a little bigger than canon new mount. Not much to actually be better and they still make it look like a unique attribute for that mount again just marketing. But having one mount is the way to go hands down.
Nikon is obviously going with the Z-mount across the board with all of their cameras. So in a few years it will make no difference.
Jay G. I agree. It's better to do one mount for all.
In the mean time they should provide an F mount adapter basically at their cost to give buyer the flexibility of all the existing affordable lenses. Canon did this with their RP, providing an EF adapter as part of a kit.
jeni719 exactly, they should lower the price of their adapter, which apparently already works quite well.....
just that most of the Z-Mount lenses lack VR since they are designed for bodies with IBIS...
Good thought as they did with the Z6/7.
Wow, Tony, you have really gone of Nikon hey. All your videos are starting to show it now. Let's remember this is a starter's to a medium camera for low-end mirrorless users. In Australia, it will cost about $1000 less than the Z6. Some of us aren't your level yet mate. Think back to when you started making awesome technical videos which were 95% fact (experience and knowledge) and 5% general feeling, they were really good videos.
Turned out to be one of the best cameras ever produced by any company ever.
why
For the like 5 lenses that Nikon released for DX bodies
….but why.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I wouldn't go *that* far but I still love my Z50.
The Z50 is the camera Nikon had to make.
To get new users into the Z there needs to be a relatively cheap upgrade path like Sony and not some sideways shift like Canon’s M.
it's no mistake, just late to the party. Having another mount.... are you frigging joking? Their pancake lens is small which kills your argument, it's not hard to make a large mount lens to taper in.... it's not exactly rocket science. Short term confusion, long term bet. having FX and Crop lenses on one mount has existed for decades
Lenses will be big at the base.
@@smaakjeks that's what she said.
@@smaakjeks What is small, small enough for you. They just demonstrated a very small pancake zoom, and all the Z lens are already smaller than most of their F mount version.
Smaakjeks K It’s not the width or even so much the weight of lenses that is an issue. The issue is length. Nothing worse than having a camera around your neck or shoulder while travelling etc with a big long lens hanging out dangling around hitting things and your body. I got a little Fuji Xe3, perfect for travel as with a little prime and a shoulder strap it’s just like walking around carrying a phone or wallet. Very liberating.
Canon has two mounts. M for APSC and RF for FF. Both are successful.
Actually I like the Z mount on APS-C. Some reasons. The huge size of the Z mount and its low flange distance has one huge advantage: it will allow very fast nifty-fifty equivalent lenses to be made.
The F mount was so small and far away from the sensor that the fastest 35mm you could get for APS-C was an f/1.8. With the mirrorless systems, lenses like the Mitakon Speedmaster 35mm f/0.95 for Sony E have become available, and maybe with the Z mount one can go even further than that, such that the APS-C optics are finally becoming competitive to full-frame in terms of DoF.
Also, with that slim Z mount a company like Metabones could make an F-to-Z speedbooster allowing for full-frame lenses to be used without waste on an APS-C body.
And, from a customer standpoint, I like being able to choose to buy full-frame glass sometimes when I plan upgrading to a full-frame a few years later anyway, and also swap lenses between bodies easily. It saves me money. Nikon has been very good at keeping their system simple, therefore the Z mount is a logical step.
Great points regarding the larger Z mount but the Sony and Canon UA-camrs cannot see these!
Nikons "huge mistake" is #1 in Japan now .. lolol
Just shows YT content creators are disconnected with their audiences. ;p
So Tony's channel is big in Japan?
Kal Ali hahaha NO, but the Z50 is ;) the only big thing Tony is doing is embarrassing himself talking about « huge mistake » without even trying the camera itself...
on the other hand, we have Tom Hogan who loves it and takes it everywhere.
Who would you trust ? A guy showing of on UA-cam debating about spec without even holding the camera, or the other guy who uses it on a regular basis and is « just a tad bit » on edge about photography and why and how the specs tony loves so much are used within the systems he’s experiencing ?
Amid all the emotional rhetoric against Tony the person, I haven't seen a single good counterargument against Tony's conclusion: at this stage of the market transition from DSLR to mirrorless, a Nikon mirrorless APS-C for the F mount would've been more practical and accessible for most consumers, thus a better business decision for Nikon.
@@kalali462 Suure, Kal, like Nikon would've done good by taking your pissant advice. You sound like the typical Sony fanboi droning on how Nikon is going out of business. Your advise is shortsighted & I'll informed! Admit it, your the biggest closet Nikon fan out there! The ONLY thing missing from Nikon's Glorious apsc Z-50 are primes. But nothing an adapter to Fony's Emount along with Sigma's trio of F1.4's cant fix! >;D
@@jaimejuarez851 I just bought an used D5300 as I prefer to have choice with the F-Mount lenses. I rather invest in Glass than the body.
I easily could have afforded the Z50, but I think it is too limited for the price point (compared to DSLRs).
The Z6 and Z7 look great but are too expensive for my photography skills.
I would have purchased a mirrorless F-Mount Nikon without hesitation.
I think Nikon are doing the right thing as you can use the ff Z lenses and get a ftz adapter and use your dx lenses. Not everyone wants or needs a ff camera. I am definitely interested in buying the Z50
I think the lack of IBIS is kind of a deal killer since most of the Z-mount lenses lack VR due to the use of IBIS in the Z6/Z7
I literally have been waiting for an APS-C Z mount camera and here it is finally. Full frame is great but the cost for lenses is just too astronomical for me to upgrade in at least 10 years.
Agreed it just needs a flange. Not a big deal engineering wise
I don't think a dx mirrorless Nikon camera is a mistake. The biggest mistake is that Nikon is trying to sell you a dx mirrorless with 2016 tech and some average kit lenses and pretend it is some good deal. But of course, there are always loyal Nikon lovers, they will take whatever Nikon offers..
@@joejoe4games the size of that Z-mount, could have had some insane room for movement for IBIS.
I actually like the direction Nikon is going with Z50. I am devoted to my two D750s for professional use but am not ready to go Z6 or Z7. I’m several years off from upgrading; however, I am in market for personal use camera so Z50 could be gateway to Z mount.
Make the jump. For wedding work, Z6s are genius. Tamron 35mm 1.4 and Nikkor 85mm 1.8 are plenty. I do use a 70-200mm G2 for part of the ceremony, and a 105mm F 2.8 for details. Most compact kit I have ever used for weddings.
I love my z6s. Just did a 1 yr. Review.
good thing is FTZ adapter works very well
@@BradyHommel Of course it is better but more expensive!
My reaction 🙄.. he's getting really unreliable and bias!
....getting?
True.
BEEN FOR YEARS. the fact that I bought this camera after tons of reviews and using nikon myself. Then saw his video pop up. Held back watched it...and was what I expected. Trash review
I remember I nearly didn't buy a Z6 cos of you. Thankfully I found other reviews, bought it and couldn't be happier. I do the opposite of your reviews, therefore I shall be recommending the Z50 to my father in law 👍
Believe me, the Z50 is a very good camera and well priced with the two lens kit 50-250 mm and 16-50 mm that covers all your needs. It is actually so good that many will think twice about buying the Z6. I want a full frame so it is not for me, but not all need full frame.
@@midas1929 full frame is so irresistible :0)
😂
Lol
Feels great to see you burning when you said Nikon Z6 is a flop and then over the year it kicked your views out of the stadium!
Sorry Tony . Agree with you most of the time, this time I am sorry to say I don't. This is camera is no different then the ridiculous body size that is on the Sony A6000 series cameras. I do think Nikon did a smart thing and used the z Mount and not wasted time and development around another mount. Yes the lenses are going to be bigger, but look at the crazy size lenses that go on the Sony A6000 bodies. The Z Lenses are extremely good lenses. So I am hoping that will carry over to this camera as well. And if you look at Jared Polins Review, the Z mount lenses are proving to be extremely good.
Charles Wilson its not just that but using the z mount is a good option it allows you to use the z lenses and not go into another lens system like the canon m series like the m50. Also the quote was referring to the fact the the image quality is amazing because it allows you to use the very sharp full frame z lenses not that the mount makes your image quality amazing. Also it lets you use the Z adapter so yea its a very practical lens mount.
I mostly agree, I'm just sad to see they left out IBIS... Most of thous nice Z-Mount lenses lack VR because they are build for the Z6/Z7.
joejoe4games thats true but their bringing out some vr lenses very soon
Keep in mind that the entry level Sony A6000 series mirrorless does not have IBIS. Fuji did the same thing with their X-T30. This camera is positioned to compete with those systems that cost around the same price.
Has Tony even used it like Jared? Tony your such a Nikon basher.
I guarantee he's never said that about Sony.
Nikon Z50 climbs in the sales charts in Japan: In the past few weeks the Nikon Z50 camera has moved up to the #1 spot at the BCNRanking (12/4, 12/11) and #2 spot at Map Camera.
This is gonna be my first mirorless camera.
Me too pal, me too :) time to say goodbye to my old but trusty d750.
@@PaprykowyMonarcha You are joking right?
LOL
You were in a cave all those recent years or what?
This is like the worst first mirrorless camera you can buy.
5 years ago it would have already been not that good but now? Haha.
@@Maxime-ho9iv u can't fight my love for Nikon. Cheers, from Caveman.
@@Maxime-ho9iv I already HAVE this camerta in my own hands and I know that it fits into my needs. What else metters?
How is the Z eye autofocus as bad as you say? As I always comment y’all never gave the z cameras a real chance, even after the firmware update. I use eyeAF all the time and it’s very good. Even Sony don’t have the option to CHOOSE what eye or face you want to focus on.....
Why call it a 6.3 lens when it starts at 3.5? Because it helps your argument to make it sound worse and some ppl will just take your word and never really check for them selves.
Does the F mount have 2 different sizes on DSLR? I really am trying to understand what you’re try to do with all this negative reviews of the Z cameras....
Actually, Sony does allow you to select what eye to focus on, it came in the new Firmware update for the RIII A9, and is in the latest cameras as far (A7R IV, A9II, etc...)
Kujō Kazuya thanks for that info, however, my other point are still valid...
“You get less sharp images than if you were using a full frame camera” can you please prove that?
He could not - there is not any optical reason for this and even if someone try to say that aps-c has more pixels per inch/mm is not true between the Z50 and Z7. Z7 has 45.7MP sensor FF and Z50 has 20,9 MP (eq 31,35 in FF) . So Z7 has more pixel density on sensor than Z50. In real life use FF on aps-c means that the vignetting almost disapear, sharpnes in corners is better, because you actualy use most sharp central part of lens.... if you look trough the window and someone covers the corners and edges it does not change sharpnes of street you actually see. Just quality and technology used in sensor could make difference on the same type sensors just one will be aps-c an other bigger will be optical result tthe same ...
Sdp.io/ffcrop (linked in the video)
@@TonyAndChelsea imagine this situation on kinofilm - if you some how cover the frame to the size of aps-c the results in the sensitive area would be the same - in other word - size of sensitive area does not change optical behavior. The quality of the sensitive area do . And if i look at dxomark score of D700 FF vs D500 aps-c with nikon 50mm 1.4 af-s the D700 get 9 P-Mpix and D500 11 P-Mpix... You just not loose the sharpnes by the size of sensor its against physics an physics works independently of the will of marketing...
I remember seeing that video but it relies heavily on DXO marks formula.
If I have 500 lumens flashlight pointed at my FF camera with a 50mmf1.8 I’m getting 500 lumens hitting the sensor.
If I shine my flashlight at my DX camera with 50mm f1.8 500 lumens will hit my DX sensor. How is there more or less light hitting the sensor? Isn’t pixel pitch taken into account in this?
Technically this would be saying that a FF camera with a DX lens will be sharper in the DX area, than a FF lens because the DX lens is focusing “more” light to the center. Is that correct?
@@danielvesely3926 Do you have a video to prove your point? all these mumbo jumbo in the comment section is just rubbish.
I really loved the z50 as a filmmaker. If you want to try out Nikon or want a small mirrorles camera that has amazing auto-focus I would highly recommend it.
Mostly disagree, Nikon must commit to Z mount now on, even though this will take some time to have a full catalog of lenses.
yep, and more ethical for us customer, they are not gouging us as they gave us a path to upgrade to zmount and now commitment that investing now in lenses is for the long term.
Canon's M mount is creating even more confusion to consumers. I don't get his point.
@@MrAnthonyjim Exactly this, canon eos m was a flop (mostly because of the camera) but there were almost no native lens when it came out. If nikon doesnt commit to the z mount its gonna turn into canons m mount. BUT, if they do commit, it might turn out to be something like what sony has (Full frame/aps-c on same mount)
But Z mount is too big. Nikon could never make small apsc body like the Canon M50.
In principle you're right. But ... Nikon need to consider short term wins within the DX enthusiast community. As a D100, 200, 300, 7100 .. and finally D500 user this looks like a car crash for the investment I've made. Effectively there is NO point in me 'upgrading' to DX Mirrorless as I'll need to fork out for a new set of lenses etc .. I may as well go FX Mirrorless and ebay my F-Mount lenses 9 (or donate them to a museum)... maybe I'll consider Sony, or Canon. I agree with Tony, that this is a wasted chance ... the backlog for a Mirrorless DX F-Mount would have dwarfed the D500 I'd bet.
Tony, Have you had the camera in your hands? It seems like some harsh comments without actually having touched the camera. I noticed that several hands-on UA-camrs were amazed at the size - as in "it's small". Like smaller than a D500.
Honestly, your comments are on Nikon's business plan. In that area, you may be right. I have no idea. My guess is that the target audience for this camera would only ever need the two lenses Nikon released with it. I used some of the Canon M cameras for a few years but became frustrated with the lenses and what Canon's lens plan was for the camera. I was also frustrated by the form factor - it was too small - when it's too small my smartphone is ultimately a better option. That's for me of course.
I think the Z50 price point is very competitive with Sony and Canon cropped sensors. But you don't really address that.
One more point - Sony gets much praise for one mount - is it a bad idea that Nikon might ultimately want to end up in that same place?
Yeah he's not talking like its a review. Its a video on his ideas where Nikon should have headed instead. He wasnt talking about the functionality of the camera. Hopefully a review will come. But yeah, i dont agree him, however I know he's just talking about Nikon direction with APSC.
It is not necessary to have the camera in hand to discuss technical specifications. As for the Z50, the entry-level camera market is shrinking and can only compete with smartphones through lower prices or higher quality. The lower prices for the overall system (including lenses) could have been realized through the F-mount and the higher quality through better APS-C (kit) lenses.
Why?
It’s not a review.
Geez those comments are so fucking retards..
I think the question you have to ask is why would anyone (keeping the demographic in mind) buy this camera over a full frame Canon EOS RP? It's not going to be a D500 replacement for sports shooters.... it's a relatively basic APS-C with an over-sized mount. I'm not sure I agree with Tony on what Nikon should have done, but I do understand (and agree with much of) his reasoning. At the end of the day, pulling resources away from FF could be a costly mistake. Let's see how it plays out in the market... personally I don't get it, but I guess I'm not the target demographic either.
BROis It’s simple, FF. Is too expensive. I would really like to know the profit margin. With all the technology photography has been dummied down to the point where the average person is happy taking pictures with their cell phone. Any pictures they take wind up on Facebook anyway and look like crap, but they don’t even notice. They just want to press a button and see the shot. I like this Z50 idea. I have a D7100 and most times I leave it home because it’s just too big. Bottom line is the camera business is dying, people want small, Nikon is smart enough to realize that.
Yes, that FX 200-500 lens on my DX D500 is so much less sharp than on my FX body and that 60mm FX macro, on my FX camera it is just soooo much sharper..... NOT. These days these youtubers are all about quantity rather than quality and facts, they just make up their "facts" as they go. Also, aps-c lenses use half the light WTF? Do these lenses have special filters built into them that filters out half the light or is that just another "fact". In the past it was said that the aps-c sensor only captures "half the light" which was BS, and now the aps-c magically only uses "half the light".... I think the real issue here is that you cannot see past full frame cameras, the problem is not the camera, it is you.
I love the Z50, and the idea of the one lens mount for both sensor types that Nikon has to offer. Now Nikon can focus on getting lens out and they will work on all cameras they offer. Makes sense to me and it will be less confusing for newbies starting in photography.
Nikon Z is the heaviest system out there because of that MF mount size.
Looks like you do not like Nikon. Having same mount is absolutely perfect strategy and Sony is benefiting out of it. I use Sony and have both sensors. The great benefit is of using same FE lens even on crop sensor.
I think you were more critical than really required. This looks to-be a very good entry level camera with good value at this price point.
Nivrutti Garud my thoughts exactly. Thank you.
Seems like he's upset that he didn't get to test it, Canon RF and M is a disaster, but Canon has yet to make a RF crop sensor camera, single mounts for both APS-C and FF work best.
Sony is in a very different situation. Their mount is MUCH smaller (and thus their APS-C bodies are smaller than the Z50). They launched E-mount near the peak of the camera buying market - a time when people were buying more than 10x the number of cameras they do today. Sony has a full suite of FF and APS-C lenses already. They also don't have the incredible catalog of existing F-mount lenses.
The point being the Zmount is HUGE, the Sony E mount is not. It does not have the same body design considerations based on the mount size that Nikon does. Sony also already has about every lens type one would reasonably expect across both mounts. The Z mount basically has a handfull of lenses. The other point Tony is making is that Nikon is wasting resources in the wrong area, they need to foucs on full frame with the new mount, which is clearly what it was designed for at least until the market is saturated with lenses for the system. As usual, his thoughts are well thought out and logical. Mirrorless F mount would have been huge. One of Nikon's selling points is the fact there are decades of F mount lenses.
@@HarlenCruz Bingo
Well I very disagree this time. Your statement are really wrong in my opinion. The nikon move was the most logical and best money saving, now and for future. Canon move to use two different mounts and have basically a dead Aps-c series with few lenses was the most illogical and silly to do. the technical aspects you are mentioning are extremely extremely technical, and 90% of beginners not even know the differences between a FF or Aps-C camera if not only the price, at least during my courses. They have the idea of a good camera, small (and Z50it is) and that's all (oh yeah,...of course sometimes with high MP). But a travel camera like this I guess for them will be certainly useful and lenses will come out in a while. I agree the price a bit too high as usual in Nikon.
Now that the first reviews are coming out, it is even more embarrassing to look at this video. Nikon is starting to show that they have a very clear strategy for both ML and DSLR, that both systems have their place and followers, that the F mount with its big legacy of lenses will coexist with the new standard in photography the Z mount. The same with Canon. Sony is trying it's best to discredit the DSLR as they lack way behind in the amount of users that come with this legacy and in both cases will be able to use both systems not as competitors but as two systems with specific applications and users preference. Many Nikon users want a smaller system for traveling light or daily use, but do not want tp compromise the benefits that the big DSLR bodies and FX lenses offer for their work. Arrive the Z6/Z7 and Z50 and whatever the future will hold. this means less people would want to sell off their systems to get into Sony with its excessively expensive big glass.
You should do a video
One mount for all models, that was a very good decision.
Less sharpness ? Really ??
Z Mount, one mount that allows APSC, FF and MF Sensors. Good move NIKON !
Far too negative for my taste, Tony. Suggest you wait till after you make your video to take your nasty pill.
F-mount is definitely not the future. The new MILC from Nikon will be more and more equipped with high density sensors. And the new Z lenses absolutely destroys F lenses in resolution. No Tony that’s a bad idea.
@@jaegerschtulmann Exactly. IMO, it seems most are into the "People will eventually upgrade to full frame later" kind of thing. In which most people who buy APSC cameras do not. A lot just buy a 2nd or 3rd lens and that's it. And it's even more with the Z series. With how tough the economy is right now, people would hardly spend $900 for a body and then drop another for a lens or two. If they made this camera to target the enthusiast side of the market, maybe it's fine. But if it's to entice the average consumer, this will be tough for Nikon. As far as APSC Mirrorless market goes, this is where Fuji and Sony already has clear dominance.
@@jaegerschtulmann Which is why Nikon is making cheaper Z DX lenses as well. However, if a person wants to mount one of the more expensive lenses on the Z50 it's silly to restrict them just to save a few millimeters in mount size.
This video just reminded me why I quit watching Tony years ago.
I own two D750s and just bought a Z 50. It is an amazing little camera! While I'll probably keep my full-framers for paid jobs, I'll be taking my Z 50 with me everywhere else. It's also going to replace my Panasonic GX85 for video work.
I think the benefits of having the same mount outweigh the drawbacks. The mount is bigger, yes, but the camera is still extremely compact. You can invest in great glass instead of using all of your budget on the camera body, this is what I think everyone should do.
let’s remember guys, remember when Sony mirrorless lens selection was ass too. It get better overtime
True, but there were good ways to adapt canon lenses to sony while we waited for bigger glass, and even now many are still using adapters.
@@DeputyNordburg yes that is true. And you have an F to Z mount connector for Nikon mirrorless and adapters for Canon mirrorless as well. What's your point?
@@BernardSolomon The Camera industry is in steep decline, and there will be far fewer players 4 years from now. Nikon DSLRs are outselling their mirrorless camas 100 to 1 (on Amazon anyway) and Nikon is spiraling into bankruptcy. Sony and Canon can endure periods of non-profit via other parts of their businesses, but Nikon cannot, and a camera like this that nobody its going to buy is another nail in that coffin.
I have 5 dx f mount lenses and that's quite a bit of money to replace all those with fx z mount lenses. So after the first lens, it will take time to build that up
nope. my first sony was a sony r1 was way ahead of its time.
Z50 images with ANY Z mount lens are stellar. And, had you actually tested it, you would know the Z50 kit lenses are very sharp.
You’re clueless.
He makes videos without having it tested in reallife he just decided everything out of his own knowledge and the site dxomark, but he doesnt care about reallife world performance
@@frederikvanreusel He can't figure out how to attach a lens to it.
Strong opinions need solid arguments Tony, and you don't have any.
I think Tony's arguments are solid. But a lot of Nikon fans don't like this reasoning ... ;)
Every reviewer who actually tried the Z50 liked it. I guess I trust the opinion of someone who held it in their hand more.
And everyone got paid by Nikon...
Kent Bergström telling the truth by getting paid is better than this unpaid bullsh*t.
Even if a camera works well, or is nice to hold, doesn’t make the production of said camera a sound business decision.
I think you're missing the point of this video. He never said it's a bad camera, just pointing out the missed opportunities and shortcomings when compared to the competition.
@@SSIops i glad to hear some one that actually gets the message of the video.
Tony, I rarely comment on camera videos however I feel compelled to comment on this video. Unlike Jared Polin or Chris Nichols of DP Review who did a reviews based on several hours with the camera, you have not used the camera, so everything you say about the quality of the lenses, image quality and handling is total speculation. I take exception to you calling out Nikon for a single lens mount for both APS-C and Full Frame when Sony and Canon do the same thing. If Nikon is guilty then so is Sony and Canon. I trust once you get a chance to conduct a real world hands on test you will provide a proper review rather than speculation. However , regardless of what either you or I think, ultimately the market will decide if the Z50 is a good product or not. For the record I have a D300S with 3 DX Lenses and a Nikkor 55mm 1.2 and I see amongst my options as either a Z50 + FTZ or used D500 both will cost about the same and both have Pro's and Con's.
I think the reason he focused on the topic of Nikon using the same Z mount on both FF and APS-C was because Z mount is larger than other FF mount. (IIRC) I would too like a mirrorless with F mount or smaller mount. But yea, others are equally guilty as well.
Sadly this is not a pro dx camera. I think Nikon will make one in the near future this maybe their vision of a mirrorless D5600
There are many feature removed compared to the other Brands unless your only shooting Nikon and don’t intend to change systems
On a side note Canon does not use the same mount there is EF and EF-S and also M mount plus the new RF mount so if Canon made a crop mirrorless RP it might be called RF-S mount XD
+Stephen
As Tony explained in the video, Nikon had been hampered by their "small" full frame mount for years. So, when they finally do make a big mount for the next generation of cameras, it's an odd choice to, almost right off the bat, create a camera that will not benefit at all from said new and large mount. In fact, it will be a detriment, since it eliminates one of the benefits of crop sensors (compact lenses). Nikon should instead have spent their R&D time on developing new lenses for the Z mount, or a different camera. That's what he was saying.
Wait, what?
He didn't even get a sample and he is giving his opinion about feel, image quality, and handling?
Very suspect and unprofessional.
@@nipponkogagu2623 It's not a review of the camera as a whole. Nothing suspect or unprofessional about it.
As an amateur photographer I absolutely love the z50 in 2022. This camera is not a huge mistake. Its a great little camera! Best in class ergonomics, easy to carry, produces best in class video and pictures with amazing colors, two incredible sharp kit lenses with stabilization, access to all cheap and great f-mount lenses via the adapter, costs a fraction of what the full frame cost. 99% people would not be able to tell the difference between the z50 and a FF pictures. Sure-its not a pro camera but its not pretending to be one. This video did not age well.
Hey Tony. I HAVE this camera last week on my hands and I love it - it's small and fits extremely well in the hands. I like that it has the same mount because I'll use the FF Z primes anyway. And I'm sure that someone will make Nikon F/Canon EF/etc. to Nikon Z APSC speed booster which will be in my opinion very interesting option for these cameras.
Agree I just got one and it’s awesome
There's literally 0 reasons to bring the F mount into a mirrorless body, since without the mirror you'll need to have the same flange distance, in order for all those old lenses to fit to your new camera. If you don't, then you have glass that it's mount compatible, but not compatible with your camera because of the shorter flange distance. Both ways you're pointlessly fracturing your lineup with 2 mounts, the way currently Canon are doing it with their R and EF-M mounts.
It's as if Tony has totally forgotten about how bad the Pentax K-01 was.
@@gundamlurva Or how him (and every other reviewer) are complaining about Canon's mirrorless lens lineup...
@@gundamlurva At least the K-01 had IBIS :-p
Finally someone with a brain . The flange distance for the F lenses is different !!
@@boian-inavov Or how he ignores the fact that the E-mount first launched with only 3 lenses. Somehow Nikon doing likewise is an unforgivable crime.
And there's the argument about how "gigantic" the Z mount is. Nikon is trying to avoid the same size issues as the F mount and even the E mount (gasp!)
I am doing it purposely, but I love taking full frame Nikon lens's and putting them on my lighter D3500. I wouldn't do it for extremely heavy glass, but taking say a 50mm FX Prime and adding the 1.5 crop makes an amazing portrait lens for a hobbyist. Sometimes its just fun to tinker :)
It's no different than using a dx lens. The fx capable lens is just giving a larger light circle than your need. Your point is pointless.
@@stevek8829 Most of the times, when you care for edge sharpness, you choose FX lenses to use with the DX body.
I like to do that, too with my ancient D5100. A few years ago I bought an old 27mm d series lens and I just love the results it gives on my camera. It’s manual focus, but I’ve learned how to accurately focus it using the rangefinder functionality of my camera.
The Nikon 50mm f/1.8 FX prime, when put on the 24mp Nikon APS-C sensor, has SERIOUS issues with chromatic aberration, which only acceptably clears at f/4. I too purchased that lens to pair with my D5300, but soon I realized it wasn't a good purchase. I never shoot it larger than f/4.
The issue here is that Nikon's AF-P DX 18-55 shows f/5 at 50mm. And that lens has comparable image quality to the 50mm prime, at the same focal length. So all I've effectively gained by purchasing this FX prime is 2/3rd of a stop of light advantage. That's like shooting at ISO 1600 with the prime instead of ISO 2500 with the zoom. One is marginally better than the other, but both of those are compromises.
1) Using the same mount on all cameras is amazing and a big win for Nikon imho.
2) Z50 is almost half price of D500 and has most of the performance (more if low light focus is a concern)
3) It’s a great intro to the Z system especially for people who like wildlife and macro.
If you want a full frame Z you’ve got loads of options 🤷♂️
All Z cameras including the Z50 are extremely well put together and feel great in hand.
How's the low light in z50 is it good with just kit lens or need a prime lens?
I've been using this camera in the last few weeks and I'm completely blown away by the image quality it can deliver. So I think your opinion is a huge mistake; just stop misinforming future buyers with your nonsense review.
What the heck is wrong with u? I used to respect ur reviews. This seems tooooooooooooooo biased.
I have to say, everyone is free to their own opinion.
That said, I don't see a problem with Z mount and I firmly believe its an advantage to have one mount to rule them all.
Why? Because then you can have a cheap backup Z50, or you could use your Z50 for travel and your Z6/7 for work. And you can use all your lenses with both cameras. Because you can buy a cheap Z50 and lenses, to later upgrade to full frame. And so on. See Canon, their M mount is useless and forgotten. Resale value on lenses isn't great, because there aren't that many people interested in the format. And there are close to no second party M lenses. Lenses being huge for the Z50 isn't true, Nikon announced 2 new lenses and I'd guess more will come.
Problem number two: it's actually easier to shop knowing you only have to look for "Z" mount. Try doing that with Canon...
Problem number tree: any new system will have problems with lens selection. You have converters, but native lens will take a couple of years to pic up. That's true for any brand.
Only problem I see with the Z50 is the lack of IBIS... Who is going to spend $800 on a lens with intention of upgrading the body later, if they can't get the full functionality out of that lens since it was designed with IBIS in mind...
@@joejoe4games it's great technology moves forward and gives us things like ibis. That said, 50 years ago you didn't have either ibis or vr. You could just bump shutter speed and avoid problems. As for video, you're right: only the new two lenses have vr and Nikon needs more.
As Sony is doing with their mirrorless.
@@joejoe4games the only cameras in this price range with IBIS are M43 bodies. Its closest competitors are the a6400 and XT-30, neither of which have IBIS.
Agree with u I also think Z mount is right move but this camara z50 still have some thing wrong like don't have ibis when there is so much space and they build a lends that come with vr that is really a bad idea. But just hope Nikon is going to make it right. Anyway their z6 and z7 is a right move and the lends line up is slowly built up just hope it can be faster so I can switch all to Z mount only with out adapter.
This video is a HUGE mistake.
I have never disagreed more with a video of yours before. 100% disagreed.
Tony has been drinking? Dx body should be used just with dx lenses? Dx cameras produces less sharp images? What?
If you put an APS-C lens on a full frame body, most cameras will crop down to use a smaller portion of the sensor. When comparing them to images that used the full sensor, they would look significantly less sharp because they've lost something like half or two-thirds of the sensor size. The Sony A7rIII goes from being a 42 mp beast in full frame to a 18 mp "meh" in APS-C. It's not bad, and for certain applications it's fine. But you won't have nearly the cropping flexibility or ability to enlarge it as you could with the image using the full width of the frame.
@@Richards84 I get itChris, what I'm talking about is that he said on the video that, ideally, dx body should be used with dx lenses. But everybody knows that there is no problem with use a dx body with fx lenses. The contrary, just like you explained, can produce bad results.
There is a significant decay in sharpness mounting a FX lens on a DX body, all the testa indicate this. On the other hand there are less issues on distorsion and chromatic aberration due to the use of the centre of the image.
@@gianlucacaputo821 Look up Christopher Frost's YoutTube channel. He does lots of methodical testing of lenses including full frame lenses on both full frame and APS-C bodies. The difference of full frame lenses on APS-C bodies is often trivial and the lenses overall characteristics tend to dominate regardless of the sensor.
Sabbra Cadabra you are correct. This guy is clueless about lenses. He’s no Nikon engineer!!
I am surprised about the level of scepticism in the video. You mention quality aspects of the Z50/DX lenses (also compared to a smartphone). Did you test them already?
Adrian Ineichen check out Jared Polin’s preview. It’s spectacular and feels unbiased
The points covered in the video are more about strategic aspects of the mount in regards to APSC sensors. « Scepticism »? Where is this coming from? Tony makes some points with clear arguments. They can be discussed but those are valid points. No scepticism here.
Also it has nothing to do with testing anything, those are two non-mutually exclusive subjects. You can make reviews and also give opinions about where a company or system is going.
Your comment sounds both easy and irrelevant.
Can I send the jpegs to my phone and edit them with Snapseed to post on Instagram and Facebook.? Then it is a good camera for consumers who want to step up from a phone.
Making an F mount mirrorless would be a HUGE waste of body space. All the F lenses are made to accommodate that extra mirror length, so in mirrorless version there would be just unnecessary empty space
make 2 mount is bad idea, using old mount is even worse
Developing a new big Z mount shows the vision of Nikon. They know mirrorless is going to be their future for the next few decades, and therefore it's okay for them to suffer a little at first.
Z-mount is too big for APSC. Do you know how small the Fuji X mount is? Even Sony E mount is too big.
@@jeffluo9591 I think Sony E mount size is a good compromise for a single mount for APS-C and full frame
@@jonathanraecrisanto5912 Nikon should learn from Canon, Using smaller M mount for APSC and bigger RF mount for FF. Z mount is even bigger that RF mount, definitely too big for APSC.
Ahmed Karmi I use a 50mm lens (FX) on my crop sensor camera. If they made 2 mounts I couldn’t do that anymore.
I guess.... If you want to find something to dislike, you can allways find it, even if it's reaching....
Get the adapter and you've got hundreds of F mount lenses to choose from. I'd be recommending a beginner do that because they could get better glass for less money than any other system out there. Nikon has made all their lenses able to be used on this camera, Canon hasn't done that on their mirrorless and the others (like Sony/Fuji) charge a fortune for their good glass. I predict that this camera will be extremely successful.
2 years have passed.
The possibilities to choose a lens for Nikon Z50 are huge. There are TWO FTZ adapters at the moment, not counting 3rd party company adapters.
There are cool lenses from Nikon, Viltrox, 7 artisans, it is possible to connect any lens matching Nikon F system.
Also, Nikon Z50 received a powerful software update boosting its eye-AF performance and capabilities.
Remember Sony a few years ago. People complained about the lack of Sony lenses... And then, today, plenty of Sony lenses. So... I think the first two lenses available for now are part of the most frequently purchased lenses by APS-C owners.
That was more than a few years ago, Sony also invested and revised HEAVILY in order to have market-leading features/specs. Nikon doesn't have anything to differentiate itself and grow a new cult following like Sony did. All these manufacturers need to stop following Sony/Fuji and start innovating. The camera market (for non-pro's) is becoming more and more commoditized and taken over by cell phones.
F mount on a mirrorless camera would make the body too deep then you wouldn't be able to adapt for other lenses.
Like Pentax K-01 from 2012. Boxiest camera since the Box Brownie
Stefan Hundhammer the issue is that Nikon gave up on the f mount for mirror. They want to say they got a lens with .95 f stop. Which no one is going to use for everyday work. F mount won’t be dead any time soon but tech will stop coming to the system. Sad.
@@StefanHundhammer it is really small
you don't need to adapt to other lenses as there is already so many F mount lenses . The nice thing to have is auto aperture instead of step-down when it is basically adapted .
The closest thing is the old Pentax K-01 wich is a charm to use with KA manual focus lenses but lack a viewfinder (i own one)
Finally somebody who understands flange focal distance. What would be the point of removing the mirror only to leave that empty space there? You'd just end up with an unnecessarily big camera.
100% wrong - The Z50 Blows the M-series out of the water , It simplifies the merging of both sensors By having a single mount. it also competes perfectly with Sony crop sensor cameras. I can see myself owning both the z50 and Z7 , the Z50 would be my travel camera, and I can swap lenses between both systems, just one mount
Correct me if I'm wrong, but a mirrorless f mount would be useless. You can't change the distance between the flange and the sensor and expect older fmount lenses to focus properly. It would just be a d7500 with no mirror, not worth investing R&D into.
I wonder if he knows Sony has one mount for apsc and ff 🤔🤷🏽♂️
you missed the point, two year-old - the Z mount is huge; E mount is small, making it possible to build smaller lenses for APSC.
@@JonPais and yet NONE of their zoom lenses is even remotly close in size (small) as the z mount 16-50 you muppet.
Jon Pais no. He said it was confusing for consumers to have one mount for FX and DX. Sony has the EXACT same issue and I’ve never seen it mentioned here.
@@yobooboy5591 sony's 16-50 is bigger because of F5.6 as compared to nikon's F6.3 its slower than a sloth
Lee ZXun lol that’s your argument. f/5.6 to f/6.3 is just half a stop
10:03 no nikon f mount lens is made for sensor based af, so the performance would be like using it on mirorless with an adapter.
Tobias Gmeiner just read what you’re saying again, and ruminate on it a bit
@@Zenavesta Tobias is right. What's your point ?
There are several AF-P F-Mount lenses...
So?
just answer me one thing. Can we use Nikon DX 17-55m f/2.8g Lens and Nikon SB-900 Flash with this Z50 mirror less camera or not?
Isn't that problem completely gone now with the Nikon FTZ Adapter? Pls correct me, wanna buy a Z50 with an adapter as my first camera.
I live in the APS-C world. All my cameras are crop. I don't print large format. I think this is a good compromise for those of us who want to go mirrorless, but don't want to spend a fortune.
You can easily print large format with a Nikon crop sensor.
@@vision-gc4hy And I have. It's just not a regular request
@@bryanmcguire3747 I really like the size of the thing. I love that pancake lens. Yes, I would like it to be faster but I'd carry that thing everywhere like I do my Z6.
Unless your on Nikon getting a Fuji would be better
For this price there is alot that is ok for me
Stefan Hundhammer larger selection than Nikon ?
@@StefanHundhammer Just watching the grip and the Sony a6000 range makes me prefer the Nikon. Perhaps for people that have tini tiny hands it ok, but for me a camera is a tool and not a toy that I can barely use.
@John Snow knows me I started from a Nikon d70 to full frame , I prefer to have an upgrade route like that.
ALTHDS that’s a STRONG argument. LOL
M D dont talk like that fool. Are you trying to prove how cocky you can be on youtube. Talking about cameras and get cocky, get a life loser.
Hi Tony. What about using the Z50 with the adapter and the Sigma 18-35mm? Don't you think it's a good option for someone who already has some quality APS-C lenses?
I would counter these negatives as follows: finally a mount/sensor ratio large enough for serious tilt/shift. And they already have this incredible 58mm/0.95 portrait lens with the bokeh potential of a full frame ~90/1.4. And all the lenses in the world with the F2Z adapter.
Tony, first your are giving an opinion on a piece of gear you haven't even apparently touched ! Everybody seems to agree eye detection on the Z50 is really good (maybe not quite as good as other brands but good enough anyway).
Now talking about mount decision, it's true that a F mount would have given immediate access to existing DX lenses (and FX) but this is short term vision. In a conservative company like Nikon I they think long term and profitability! In in the long run people won't even remember the F mount apart obviously from older customers. Young people don't really care I guess. Nikon also want to cash money, so a new mount is a good way for it. Let just hope they will develop better Z DX lenses as most in the F mount flavour are not quite top of the range. Time will tell. Now, customer interested in loog telephoto zooms or primes will be happy to mount them on a Z DX mount to gain extra reach! Or do you want them to buy a new adapter?
So, I don't think they made a mistake if you consider a long term strategy. Plus the Z50 is just the first APS-C body. I guess they will soon launch a more "pro" body (plus probably an entry level one), more suitable for video with headphone conector and IBIS and here is where a larger mount is welcome even if you're going to tell us "they made it in the Z6/7 format" ;-)
So in my opinion you are suffering from 1) a short term vision, 2) not thinking from a financial Nikon perspective. With this new Z50+2 kit lenses they are going to attract new customers by hundreds of thousands, especially before Christmas holiday and maybe Black Friday. This will give them cash enough (I hope) to develop other lenses and bodies both in the full frame format and APS-C one.
Jared Polin probably would hold his hair watching this video hahaha
As would Ken Rockwell! Ken just did a Z50 UA-cam video, and he loves the camera!
@Paul Jones ken is a good reviewer.
What difference does the size of the mount make if the camera remains small?
Well, this is one of your rare videos that is not aging well, IMHO. When my friend asked me what to buy I recommended the Nikon APSC over the Canon APSC precisely because (in part) one can use the full frame glass Z natively on the Z50. Furthermore, the two APSC "kit" zooms have quite good image quality. Take the Z50 with two kit zooms, each having vibration reduction, then over time add a Z series 85mm f/1.8 for portraits and done. Maybe the 50mm f/1.8 or 24mm f/1.8. And a Flashpoint flash. On the other extreme, a pro can toss a Z50 into a bag with other full frame Nikon Z gear and not miss a beat. Note that Nikon's initial full frame primes are relatively affordable f/1.8's (compare to Canon's full frame mirrorless mostly over $2k due to f/1.4, f/1.2).
Definitely not aging well at all - especially with the re-release of the Z50 as a ZFC. In this particular case, his audience is directly towards 'old guard' photographers, whereas Z50 was meant to draw new content creators, travels vlogger.
For the money, it’s a brilliant camera and beautifully designed. They got their marketing spot on too. This camera is gonna bring thousands of new enthusiasts to Nikon. And they can all upgrade to full frame mirrorless later. I’m very tempted to buy one as a backup, for video, etc. The “wasted glass” argument is a red herring too because modern glass resolves so well anyway. This camera is gone sell like hotcakes. I still love you Tony, but ya wronnnng 🤷🏻♂️
Have to disagree. At this price the Z50's competitors are the fuji xt30 and the sony a6400, and those are objectively better cameras with a wide selection of lenses already available.
@@Deweycv1 z50 has way better handling than any sony crop sensor cameras. Better viewfinder, better menu system and better grip. Nikons colours are also better than Sony.
Not hating on Sony, I love their 7r4.
Why should the lenses needs to be huge for APS-C for Z mount?
Like you can see yourself the 16-50mm lense is so small and compact. That completely falsify your argument.
I have seen review from many other guys, it is only you that said that eye detect auto f focus is not good, everyone else said it is very good, like it's confusing now.
It's huge at the base. I never said the latest Nikon eye AF is not good, but everyone seems to agree it's not as good as the competition.
Of Course the lens Will be huge at the base, but the rest can be smaller. Just look at the design of something like the Olympus 45mm f/1,8 to get a good idea about the concept.
@@TonyAndChelsea Doesn't matter that the mount is huge? They can just slim in at the base, plenty of lenses does that. It'll add maybe $10-$20 in additional material cost compared to a smaller mount?
@@valdemarjrgensen8072 and at least with one mount you know that your lens either DX (nikon z6/7 switching automatically to DX, even if it is not best solution) or FX, will be able to work on any Z camera now or in the future.
@@TonyAndChelsea actually everyone agrees that eye AF in Z50 is fantastic... But those are the people that have actually tested it.
This looks like the right place to ask a question about the Z50: I was shooting the z50 with FtZ adapter and Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 at lowlight event conditions . When shooting at ISO 1600+ at F4 -200 I got yellow and purple horizontal lines in some picture. When I was shooting outside at daylight it was gone? No idea what I did wrong. We shot at the same event with the d800 and had no problems at all. Could this be a sensor problem or am I doing something wrong? ps: the z50 was overall a lot more fun to shoot with than the heavy d800;)
"People is confusing FF lenses and APS-C cameras" and "Is bad using FF lenses in APS-C cameras". With videos like these full with wrong information is normal people get confused...
Watch the referenced video at sdp.io/ffcrop
Exactly I have a d7500 and own a 24-120 G lens, works great sharp images, way sharper than a DX lens for sure. I just can’t afford a full frame Nikon at the moment. Don’t know what Tony is talking about.
In many cases I usually agree with Tony but in this case I have a different opinion. I think Nikon is right in continuing with its tradition to use the same mount for its DX and FX lines. Canon use different types of mounts for their APS-C and FF cameras and they are often getting bad press because of that fact.
I think the ability to use DX and FX lenses in an APS-C line makes it easier for customers to grow within the camera brand. They can do this by investing in FX lenses that they can simultaneously use on two different types of cameras.
During a transition period, of course, the availability of native Z-DX lenses will be limited, but it is perfectly natural when you have an ongoing technology shift. Nikon has the FTZ adapter, which allows current F-DX customers to use their lenses and gradually make the transition as new lenses are available.
So I definitely think Nikon is on the right track by continuing with the old tradition of having DX / FX in the same mount.
Sony has only one mount for both aps and ff
If someone goes into Best Buy or Costco looking for a vacation camera and they know the difference between DX and FX I would be pleasantly surprised. So in my view only a very small number of people will buy FF lenses for the z50, probably pros needing a small B cam. As an enthusiast I would just buy a z6 if I had that kind of budget.
@@beberdjeYou're totally correct, mistake corrected. But actually, that makes the complaint that "Nikon should use a smaller mount (F mount)" for its mirrorless DX cameras apply to Sony as well to some degree. If Sony has the same mount for both DX and FX they could theoretically make smaller lenses with less glass saving weight if they made a dedicated DX mount. So if Tony should be consistent in that claim he should also discuss that part when Sony launches a new A6xxx APS-C camera.
With a bigger mount Nikon, however, should have an easier time incorporating a great IBIS solution if they so choose to do that in a more top of the line APS-C camera.
@@24Steevy Your totaly correct, mistake corrected.
As I said before, I have placed a preorder on Z50 and I would like to explain why i did that. The main reason is that it is lighter and compacter. I intend to use the camera for filming 4k videos on the go. I travel a lot and i travel light. More often than not with the cabin luggage only. With this body and the small kit lens i can use the smaller (and cheaper ) gimbal, like Zhiyun m2 instead of twice as expensive and three times bigger models for fullframe cameras. SD cards are way cheaper than XQD, four-five times cheaper to be exact but still do what is expected from a memory card. So what's the point, why spend more?
I do not require 10 bit 4:2:2 colour coding. Simple 8 bit is more than good enough for 99% of the population including me. And 8 bit can be edited on a moderately powerful laptop, no high end editing station required.
You see, Tony, I know what I need, I need the smallest and lightest set possible, that will still ensure a good quality, maybe not stellar, but very good. Something that I can submit to a micro-stock agency and not get rejected. And Nikon knows that there is a lot of people like myself, and they have announced the camera for me, Tony. This one is not for you, it's for me. I will buy it and I know that I will be good enough for anything I could ever want to do with it.
So please tell me Tony, am I really making a HUGE mistake by selecting the gear that all combined weights two times less, costs four times cheaper and gets the job done?
Is the mistake that I am making really worth capitalizing every letter in the word HUGE?
Tony what camera/lens combination did you use for record this video? Thanks
Hey Tony & Chelesea, what camera/lens can you recommend for indoor youtube filing and instagram photos (fashion, beauty) , so something that will have a good flip screen, app that lets you view yourself filming on a larger screen (like an ipad), an a lens that is flattering to the human face and skin, with great color accuracy? PLEASE HELP
Dunno what is with the criticism of the large mount. just design a lens for apsc and then add a wider attachment point.. really not an issue Tony is making this out to be. The attachment point is wide but overall the lens can be small and maybe even jut in like the old efs lense on the ef mount.. *SHRUG* . Nikon is actually doing what I stated in this comment. If you look at the 2 APSC lense released you can see the inner lens barrel are actually much narrower than the mount base.
He has a point. The camera will make a 20.9 megapixels image from a cropped section of the image made by the lens. So you lose sharpness. That lens will produce much sharper image with a 20.9 MP full frame sensor. You're carrying that weight of the full frame lens for no reason. So why not make everything full frame and ditch the APS-C sensor on the new system. I'm not talking about a small 50mm lens. Imagine paying all the money and carrying a big 70-200mm f2.8 and shooting at reduced sharpness. They are not gonna launch such good lenses for apsc. So people will have to buy the full frame lenses.
@@operatora588 The weight of mount downsize is negligible because its just going to be a bit more metal for the mount and mostly composite material to downsize the lens. All lenses focuses down to the sensor size they are made for. EFS -> 1.6x to Canon APSC sensor size. Sony Crop mount -> 1.5x down to Sony crop size. There will be no sharpness lose if they are made for that specific sensor size. It's like how Sigma Crop lenses are super sharp on their respective crop bodies.
@@operatora588 Just like Tony you are brilliant and Dumb at the same time.
@@crismeman3386 LOL. I know they need to sell cheaper cameras. So make the mount different for crop sensor cameras. But no. They won't do that. They need to sell the expensive full frame lenses to the poor apsc camera owners and they won't release really good lenses for apsc. And look at what is written on the nikon website. Tony exposed their false claim that you get the same quality as other Z mount cameras because the mount is the same. He speaks for the consumer and it's not a bad thing. And of course, companies are there to make profit.
@@operatora588
Sensors are silicon from wafers usually 300mm diameter, FF sensor are 864 square mm, APSC are 368 sq mm.
Yields on big dies are much less than small dies due to defects in the process. You get 52 full frame sensors on a 300mm wafer with over half containing defects, you get 147 APSC sensors on that same wafer with only 30% containing defects.
So that's 103 APSC sensors without defect vs 23 FF sensors without defect.
So it costs 4X as much to make a FF sensor than it does an APSC sensor with typical yield rates, not twice as much.
Even ideal scenarios where defect redundancy increases yields to over 90%, it still costs about three times as much to make a FF sensor.
You aren't comparing apples to apples with sharpness, you actually have to increase your distance to the subject on crop sensors to get the same framing as a FF, that's why it appears to be less sharp. That's why a 35mm lens is your nifty 50 on DX. It's also no less sharp on a Z50 Dx sensor, than a DX crop from a Z7 using the same lens.
Tony, I believe your thoughts are far out. I really believe in the same mount for every sensor. I believe in the FTZ adaptor. I believe I can buy FX or DX F mount lenses and use them with both the F and the Z mount. I really like the D500 and the D300/s cameras, I really like the D850/D810/D800E cameras. What a joy to have FX lenses and use them with all these mentioned cameras! And now I can use them with the Z mount with the dedicated adapter! And when they produce a Z mount camera as I wish ... then I will turn! Meanwhile, you really support as an argument, among other similars, that someone purchased a D850 and did not know that had to use FX lenses and not DX lenses? And this is something that the manufacturer has to adress? Come on!
Are you sure apsc is using less than half the light that's coming out of a full from lena cause I've heard that the crop factor is 1.5 it's not even half its 4:3 of a full frame
Hey Tony, what's the focal length your face is filmed with? Looks nice and wide but not too wide - 24mm?
Seriously Tony? Come on man you're better than that
Not really.
What problems do you have with which comments Tony made? They seem to be all quite valid complaints and objections....
Fotomakerij Alkmaar 6:12
@@HernanBergamin In theory he is right. And whatever Nikon did when they designed the Z50, there are laws of physics that even they can't change.
Fotomakerij Alkmaar I disagree with you. The fact that using a fx lens in a dx body will get less sharp images is not true. Sharpness of a the images a lens delivers has nothing to do with the size of the sensor behind it.
Nikon is doing the right thing with the Z50. The Z50 is not there to introduce users to Mirrorless. It is built to introduce more people to the Z mount.
I think there have been many videos/articles about how the Z isnt selling that well. A cheaper option is a good idea to get people introduced to the ecosystem.
I just think they shot themselves in the foot by not including IBIS since pretty much all existing lenses are designed with IBIS in mind.
This would be great is the Z-mount system was mature with a lot of lenses that need buyers. This is not the case, there are huge holes in the lens lineup and this stretches R&D further.
How would Zero sales intoduce anyone to anything?
That must be it...
"Z mount = ZERO Sales"
joejoe4games you can’t expect IBIS in a 850$ camera. Does a6400 have IBIS? Does EOS R have IBIS?
Is Z50 equal or better than d7500 ? I want to upgrade my d 5500, buy the Z 50 or the d 7500 ?, the z 50 have completely silent
shutter ? thanks very much
6:30 Tony mind explaining this more?
I use FF lens on Sony's apsc and the results are fantastic (85mm 1.8 on a6400). I have to disagree with the statement that FF lens on apsc body produces bad results. The only drawback I can find is bigger lens.