I think a lot of the attraction that the krays have is based on the fact that they are from the 1960's. Many people like to look back at the swinging sixties, hippy's, LSD, the civil rights movement, etc. The same goes for Charles Manson, he's also part of that whole hype (if he had committed his crimes in 1939 or 1949, would he be as well known?). The Vietnam War is the subject of many films and TV shows etc, but the Korean War (1950-53) is much less well known, there are few films about the Korean War, compared to the Vietnam War. A lot of people associate the krays with David Bailey, Twiggy, the mods, the British music scene of the 60's, the TV shows and films (Monty Python etc), Enoch Powell, the start of the Northern Ireland troubles, the moon landing, the 1966 World Cup, etc is remembered much more than the 1950's and earlier. In other words, the krays would probably be virtually unknown if they had been active 10-20-30 years earlier.
They were active criminals in the fifties. The documentary even tells of Ronnald Kray's three years prison for GBH in '49 as well as court attendence in the 'Old Bailey'. Their end (Pre prison years) was in the Sixties. The seriously sensationalist criminals of the 1930s are also still well known. Or as known as Mad Manson the Tate La Bianca serial killer. But clearly they have lost some of their ability to sell films and books and many already exist. How about Al Capone, Machine Gun Kelly, Ma Baker Gang, Bonnie and Cylide. John Dillinger, Ed McBain, John Reginiald Christie, DR Crippin, the Brides in the Bath, or the Acid Bath Murderer. I think it is their crimes that got them their notirioty. Not the fact they got caught in the sixties. They were active 10, 20 years earlier and were known. Being sent to Shepton Mallet Military Prison for 8 months in 1951 would clearly have got them known.
Your right Billy Hill and Jack Spot were much more organized and respected than the Krays so were the sabinis between the wars they just didn't pose for press pictures or court publicity
I once met Ronnie at a an Art appreciation evening at the Tate Gallery in 1965, he was utterly charming! His quaint mannerisms and insightful appreciation of the nuances of cubism however were disappointingly undermined by a violent incident later that evening when he caved in the face of a local artist with a rusty lump hammer. Oh.... such wasted talent
Those boys had no boundaries...but I wonder what made them such gentlemen towards women and children..uncanny...where they got their etiquette training..
@@angelahagerman5693 really! What about the endless string of young boys that both of the twins enjoyed. Not to forget about the threats given to the barmaid of The Blind Beggar pub. She kept quiet for 4 months after the shooting. They apparently used her kids against her. They were nothing but sociopathic nonces.
What really surprised me was just how normal, grounded and generally alright Charlie Kray was. If the twins were a 9/10 on the scale of being hardcore and dangerous, Charlie was probably a 4 at best. He wasn't involved in most of their crap. He was interviewed on another documentary and talked about his reaction to the George Cornell shooting. Basically, he was pretty angry and upset when the murders started and basically had no sympathy for the twins when Ronnie confessed to him. He gave them a lecture - they could have been something, they were doing great, but they had blown it and the shooting in The Blind Beggar over a petty dispute was just taking it too far because the police would be all over it. And sure enough he was right. The law even managed to turn some of the firm's associates to go QE. But what he also said was how genuinely devastated Reggie was when his wife died. He started drinking in a big way and was loaded up on various medications, barely functioning as a human.
It is a surprise how Charlie was in comparison to them, yes he was involved in other crimes but from the outside looking in he seemed to know when to stop. And from another documentary I’ve watched it seems that their father wasn’t around at all so in a way Charlie and their grandad took on more of a parental role which shouldn’t have been at all.
If after watching this documentary you'll feel the need to browse the comments then I give you fair warning... Don't. It's like the Jeremy Kyle show of UA-cam.
Kray Jokes: "What's the difference between Eddie Richardson and a terrorist? You can negotiate with a terrorist." The two Krays brothers are "Walking down the street. Reggie Kray asks Ron: "Do you use condoms?" Ron replies: "Durex", Reg answers: "I asked you first.""
+Lewis Shane I come here for a PROPER shootout! What you gonna do with that rollin pin? You gonna bake me a cake? What I want is a shootout, a SHOOTOUT IS A SHOOTOUT... like a Western!
I personally think the east end was a lot safer when the krays were there, compared to today!! granny bashing , rape, god knows what else, ron & reg only hurt fellow gangsters who tried to take over, they never ever hurt a woman or a child, they looked after there own
Lynne what about the shopkeepers etc they intimidated into protection rackets? Wasn't they 'their own'? I've no doubt they did do some good deeds but in balance they were complete lunatics.
I think you should remember a girl called frances shea who saw one way out of the terrifying and depressing life she had with the krays...and that was suicide.
I remember her, but she was clinically depressed, reg treated her like a queen, and if they were so bad why did she marry into the family, btw, my dad is from the eastend and new the krays , just to say hello and things, he said they were ok, you just didn't cross them, they looked after the old folk on their mannor, you would never have seen granny bashing then
No im sorry read up on her she was treated like property not a queen. She got loads of nice things from reg and yes in a twisted way reggie did care for her but she was property. A pretty thing to have. In his own words "a living doll". Ronnie detested her and reggie didn't let her get away from him. She left multiple times due to an emotionally abusive relationship and whatever the krays wanted they got. She couldn't get away from him. She was a fragile girl who was drawn in by the glamour at first but realised too late the violence and deceit underneath
My dear ol' mum God bless her was an extra in Sparrows can't Sing, and she told me about the time the Krays turned up on set. They said they should've been told about filming yet producer said he had informed Met Police, Ronnie and Reg took over control as long as the "FIRM" can have 2 minders in the film. I know mum said she met the Twins on numerous occasions and said any lady was treated with up most respect.
I find it interesting that Nipper(or anyone else, fo that matter)doesn't tell us exactly WHY he was brought in. It was reportedly because unlike his bent copper colleagues he was incorruptible & couldn't be bought off by the Krays to turn a blind eye to their activities
Wow, is that really true? Even so, it doesn't mean they knew about any illegal shenanigans on the part of those men. Saville and Richards were huge celebrities. EBERYBODY loved them, not just the Kray Bros.
+johnmcluskey one big pedo ring if u ask me ...wonder how far that would of gone if they never got locked up and lets face it they were locked up for not wot people knew about them but wot they knew about others
@Abigail Morrison, I think the reason the Kray twins always come up in your conversations about Organized Crime "Gangsters" is because they were overtly celebrated by entertainers; charming & dapper in appearance; philanthropists; automatic artillery & sabres; commanded attention & fear from all who crossed paths with them and flaunted the fact that they were *serial killers* (who were permitted to roam free for a shamefully long time in the beautiful, so-called sophisticated city of London).
Ronnie had a bad case of diptheria when he was a kid and it nearly killed him. That is what is believed to of caused his Schizophrenia. I believe that if it wasnt for Ron , Reggie would of become a prominent nightclub owner and business man and would never of gone inside.
Charlie Kray was very rattled when the murders started. He tried in vain to explain to the twins that they could have had everything, they could have been someone, done well for themselves and gone straight with plenty of money. But now they'd blown it and it was the beginning of the end, he explained to Ronnie that he knew what would happen next with The Blind Beggar shooting - police would be all over it and all over them. And he was right. Charlie really wasn't that bad. He was busted for a few things, but they were nothing to do with the family firm activities and his crimes were nothing like as serious.
Saying the Kray Twins will be remembered as "Britains only Gangsters" is wrong and shows how little this author knows about the Underworld of this country.
***** Film is gonna dramatize and almost turn them into heroes, the ruthless gangsters, which is fine and expected but not very "accurate" if u care for it.
Theo Truter I for one have never seen a film about criminals, that made me believe that the protagonists were in some way, heroes. Can you name a film in which criminals have looked good?
I think what they meant was that they are the best known 'Gangsters' when i have conversations with people over Gangsters in general, The Kray twins are always the ones that pop up.
He was a pretty good boxer but you need to be more than pretty good to be a contender could he have been a business man if he wasn't allowed to intimidate people I dunno doubt it. Now Charlie richardson could definitely have been a business man he actually had legitimate businesses away from crime
There has been other London gangsters, Terry Adams Clerkenwell and in the surrounding areas like Manchester & Liverpool, The Noonans, Curtis Warren! But the Krays’ are definitely the most infamous & certainly the most unique!
The Adams syndicate are more feared than The Krays ever were and unlike The Krays, it’s an open secret many people have disappeared who have crossed them but they are to this day still untouched for murder. Only thing they’ve been done for is tax evasion. Definitely not a firm anyone would want to get on the wrong side of.
A person called Tony Costello knew the kray twins, he was a gangster himself, he was younger than them and they used to look after him. Now he is old living in a house near my god brother... And I know him.
all big cities have a hardcore criminal element, Freddie foreman has admitted he liked the buzz that crime gave him, Freddie could have been a very talented businessman, he is a clever man, but he enjoyed the buzz that crime gave him
That reporter has a ton of animosity for the Krays. He subtly insults them throughout the entire clip and comes off as a scared journalist that wouldn't talk shit until the Krays were behind bars.
People are simply pointing out what they were like. Being brave does not come into thru equation. If you can't identify them as the scumbags they were, you have got a SERIOUS problem.
Yeah I agree! Nice and safe in their bedrooms! I had a runin on the way home at midnight with a load of young lads with a bag full of cider and cans of beer,they started callin me a cunt,I went over to them and said you got sumfin to say? They started reciting lines from snatch and scareface to me,pretendin thats how they talk etc,I was amused !but they kept up the abuse,tellin me they're gonna do me)so I took the 6 foot2 one clean out! As soon as I did that, they started sayin things like "he's 19 you're about 30!" And he's only 15! Its a strange world we live in! They then thaught i was picking on them! Corporal punishment disappeared and adults are terrified of getting nicked so kids mouth people off,and end up in a pub abit older,try it again and get beaten up,then they end up sat in the corner shitin themselves
Slaney Solace dismissing them as scumbags would suggest you have a serious problem pure ignorance they weren't scumbags they were human beings yes they done some bad things but only to other gangsters who had crossed them. They did alot of good too but people seem to want to overlook that which is totally wrong.
i agree, but The Krays werent really nice people, were they? i have nothing to grind with them, but if you are honest, they were out of control and bullies. thats the real story. they were not heroes
@@itsme1585 I highly doubt that. They had the upmost respect for women! They wouldn’t even curse in front of them. Had they not started to murder people they probably would’ve lasted longer.
For some reason I always thought Charlie was a good bloke in a bad family.He seems a lovely fella in every interview I've seen of him if you don't count his drug dealing of course?
He ran extortion and protection rackets. He once crippled a young girl because her father wouldn’t pay protection money. He lived near me and I knew his daughter. Absolute arsehole.
@@peteconrad2077 I beg to differ fans usually read up on everything about their heroes. My granddaughter is a one direction fan and can tell you anything you want to know about Harry Styles. The Kray fan boys can tell you everything ever written about Ronnie
Tina Sharpe I agree the Richardson’s were the proper gangsters But the krays wanted to be celebrities that’s the difference . That said the Richardson’s were a nasty bunch and wouldn’t care who you were the krays only went after those who wronged them and added to their gentlemen gangster image. I respect them more tbh
The Richardsons were mainly concerned about making money and never appeared in the papers. The Krays were more concerned with appearing in the local paper and never made any real money until they were in prison They even kept a scrap book about themselves. They had good clothes and money in their pockets to flash in the pubs and clubs just like today's tracksuited drug dealers they owned no legitimate businesses or property unlike the Richardsons and Fred
***** I bet he is like alot of us, the last figure I read was 16500 "rug pilots" coming to sweden there´s been talk of 15 billion swedish kroner just for the first batch !! How long can we sustain I wonder ?
Yes, true. I wholly agree with you. Though most of the people living in both nations are thoroughly decent, freedom loving and humane (and English people are some of the most innovative and resourceful people in history, as lots of great and interesting stuff/people/things/cultural items/inventions/upgrades came out of that country, most especially within the modern day, pop and rock musical realm).
Don't forget The Rolling Stones, The Kinks, Led Zeppelin, The Animals, The Who, The Police, The Cure, The Stone Roses, The Smiths, Oasis, Def Leppard, Pet Shot Boys and all the others, big and small. What a run of superb, original and outstanding musical manifestations and outpourings back between 1963 till about 1997!
Such poor research by claiming Frank Mitchell was broken out of Dartmoor in 1967 to assist in a gangland war with the Richardsons. Mitchell was broken out in late 1966 and by that time the Richardsons were in the nick anyway.
Imonsmoko, If you found one or a pair of criminal books in a City Library does that mean all the library's books are corrupted? Even if it was the Librarian who pointed out to you the book you was reading was a criminal book. Not of the Library stock but illegally there. IE a single dog turn does not the cricket pitch ruin. It may soil an end and smell. But after removal and containment the game continues.
People can say what they want about the krays but I bet you wouldn't stand a chance against one of them back then. You can only talk shit about them because there dead but back then alot of people did respect the twins and they respected people who respected them my grandad knew them he was brought up in the same part of London he wasn't in there circle but he did know them
I classic example of fear mistaken for respect. That mad axe man guy - Mitchell, was a threat to them and they offed him in a cowardly way. They were just bullies.
OneEyedGirl.NG He must've known that the Richardsons were the main crime family in London then and that the Krays were a pair of gays that were only interested in making a name for themselves. They definately had some masculinity issues...I guess fucking a man's ass does that to a man.
OneEyedGirl.NG You act as if they Big Boss from MGS. Alone, they would have been torn apart by any other East End thug. It's easy to play the tough guy when you have a gun and 15 men behind your back. Stupid girl.
So I figure your grandad would know if there was any truth to the very well known rumour that the krays biggest source of income was through procuring children for the elite to abuse. Because this rumour has always stained my perception of the krays and I would love to put it to rest.
I never heard of the Kray twins until a few weeks ago but I'm not all that familiar with many things in relation to London, although I've always wanted to visit. (I'm from Portugal, Maderia which isn't to far away, so hopefully the next time I go...) From reading thru sum comments, I gather that public opinion is either one extreme or the other: Love or Hate. I'd likely side with the former. I'm gonna satisfy my curiosity now and watch this and see what these two dudes are all about...
Of course, having lived in Italy, I knew the " Familia Italiana, " it all came back to me, growing up in an English seaside town, the history of The Krays, swinging London and the east end. Amazing how much the Italians knew about them..... !! 🕶🕶🕶🗿🗿
"Their name was very very well known and very feared I can assure you of that" says one of their snivelling rats. Let me tell you how it really was... My mother was a lovely and kind lady and she had no truck with bullying rubbish like the Krays. She lived in hard times but she was always strong and honest She said to me many times "those people are not men they are cowards and they are bullies, I hope you will always hate them like poison". I always hated them like poison and I spit on their memory! I value my mother not two filthy cowards.
And some people have the nerve to say that the Krays didn't deserve 30 years in prison. They showed absolutely no remorse for their victims or their victims' families and so, despite what some fools say, they definitely did deserve 30 years in prison.
This is an absolutely brilliant documentary about the Krays. For years now I have always wanted to know if it is true of what I hear about the Krays, it is true. The streets were safer then than what they are now..figure of speech!
They never hurt the innocent intentionally, no children or women were harmed, you do something bad you get punished, that's the way they worked, if you had nothing to do with them they had nothing to do with you.
@@ORIGINOLINDIVIDUAL so that's why the leader got arrested in 66 watching the world cup and after that the gang ceased to exist. Ok bro think what you want.
Lol the adams u kiding? They were unknown u fool the krays ruled london no one took them on the only big major gangssters were the krays and richardsons lol
A good insight into `TheTwins` is a book written by firm insider Albert Donaghue (Krays Luetenant) it basically blows away a lot of the myth.For instance when on of their firm was `away` they have a collection for the blokes wife then the bastards would put most of it back in their pockets!
Think about it Yeh, all the police had back then to convict someone of a crime was finger prints and witnesses testimony and that was it. So it was hard, really really hard to nail somebody.
Back then juries were made up of mainly "respectable "middle class people who'd never had any real experience of the police and would believe anything a police officer said in court. If a police officer said in the witness box that he had seen Ronnie Kray flying over Buckingham Palace holding a machine gun the jury would have found him guilty of it. Look at the Richardsons case:no medical evidence of anyone being tortured, no forensic evidence no " black box" just the testimonies of two professional fraudsters offered immunity from prosecution if they gave evidence plus they wouldn't have to pay back the money they owed. This plus evidence from police officers who had been on the Richardsons payroll but didn't think that they were getting enough money and a few other small time villains serving time who were offered early release to say that they had been present at the torture sessions. A Complete travesty of justice 😅
All who say that east end is like middle east now, I agree and sympathize with you, I really do.. having your old nostalgic town changed, I feel it, I do.. However the krays where romany, from their dad's side, and we all know that the romanys came from what is Pakistan now, a 1000 years ago, so 20 odd generations ago their grandad was a foreigner.. Feel free to comment
Not quite, Billy Hill and Jack Spot came before them and no Mafia organization ever materialized in Britain. Tho the Kray's were major players in organized crime and highly respected by many, they did play up for the camera's. Hence their down falls. Many other ruthless gangs were well established at and around the same time.
These Kray brothers were "Beasts"; they were not men who were trying to be gangsters. They were truly just persons who have the mentality and nature of Beasts, and I don't call them animals because even a lowly animal would have more morals. Also, they were allowed to continue and extend their violence upon others because the people in their community initially respected them for their violence. And it seems the people in the community had a degree of affinity in their own natures to the Beast quality in the nature and mentality of the Krays, but just wasn't as deep as the Beast nature in the Krays. The violence the Krays did, especially the torture and the murders was not prompted by any need to defend themselves nor even robbery but just their sheer pleasure to inflict torturous pain and to have the thrill of the power to take another's life. Therefore, for the people who witnessed especially the murder in the bar and then to know of the Krays ongoing acts of murder and torture; ...although the people of the community had eventually become nearly paralyzed with fear; nevertheless, their lack of witnessing against the Krays continues to show that these people had a degree of affinity with the animalistic nature of the Krays and that is why they initially tolerated and respected the violent behavior of the Krays and did not witness. Also, the community could have formed their own secret group and killed the Krays, since they literally had a wild Beast in the community. And lets be honest: had the Krays been Black men or some other men of color the people of this community would have no confusion of perception and thus would have readily seen their violence as just Beasts, not gangster, and would have witnessed against the Krays or killed them to rid such a Beast from continuing behavior that the Krays had evidenced they would not stop. Also, the police and courts would have truly gone after the Krays instead of being so overly kind in their perception of them that continued to allow a tolerance of the violence. Consequently, the community and the police sustained a "support" of the Krays and therefore got what they seemed to Respect and relatively deserved by that Respect.
WOW ! That is amazing insight -So, according to you , if the Krays were 'persons of colour' then they would never have stood a chance to commit all those crimes -because the authorities and the community would never stand for blacks or foreigners committing such crimes ? Amazing how nowadays RACE seems to apply to stories even in which, race plays no conceivable part in proceedings whatsoever. Race has and had nothing to do with this part of history,no matter which way you dice and slice it ! Have a look at the current and horrific stabbing culture that is going on in London's (primarily) 'black' communities , then tell me about 'race' and crime. Maybe it's all because of slavery ....
'Organised Crime'? Give-over, they were operating out of the local billiard hall, when it closed they went to their mothers Council house grot to plan the next 5 year leap, all they had was a car park fiddle at Heathrow Airport going for them, when it was stopped by the Police they folded into a life of petty criminals and 'threats' (Begging with violence). The Army have a file on them which makes hilarious reading, they tried taking the mickey, failed, then ran, Ron last 24 hours in uniform before jumping the fence around the back of the base and thumbing it home to his MAM?
+Jon K . Reference: THE KRAYS ARMY FILE and Court Martial Military Court Appearances. It's all on the internet, listed as Offences Against Military Discipline. The been repeated in numerous books and paperbacks.
+PipersSon It was the Richardsons who ran the car park not the twins -you got it wrong mate.The twins wanted in on it but The Richardsons weren't interested.
The Krays knew alot about the Paedo circuit , they knew all about famous Gay singers , People say the streets were safe unless you were fancied by the Krays
All those old school east end values about not cooperating with the old bill went out the window pretty quickly when it came to saving their own skins 😂
Ronnie kray tried to kiss me in a club in 1968 when I was only 15, when I pushed away he told me to get in the cubicle, well I ran for my life, two days later he hunted me down and found me on the street walking home, he grabbed me by the collar and told me never to mention what happened or he would fucking kill me! He was off his damn rocker
When nipper read and his team see the whole kray gang and the twins themselves sent down nipper had taken his hard working team to a west end restaurant and they all sat down to champagne and for dinner they had cray fish ,,true fact ,,that's nipper reads way of saying we've done ya Ron and reg your finished
"Street were safer". Well, i suppose than when the Krays bought parliament members blindness with youg boys, it was better for the rest of the community than when Saville did the same...
I've yet to meet a cockney, that ain't related or their aunt lived next door to, or their grandad delivered the krays milk or lived two doors from the blind beggar pub.
Christ Knows. So what did you mean? Did you mean their aunts and uncles and Irish Jewish grand parents were having sex with so many that most of Bethal green was related to the Krays?
Seems whilst some media say Jewish Irish other media says they were not. So as there are differing reports., can not honestly now say. Hear say and rsecond hand reports is all I have as source material. So sorry.
Nostalgic Meth They forced minors to have sex. Ronnie at gunpoint even. Not ten year olds, but minors. You need to watch a couple more of these docs I guess. Try "the gangster and the pervert peer". Enjoy.
The Krays just tried to rip off Mafia style and failed. They used to read books on them then copy them from everything from clothes to kissing people on the face and hands. Had dramatic shoot outs where no one got shot aswell lol. Arthur Thompson's mob was by far more hardcore but he never got the press and folklore because he wasn't English. The English etc tabloids turned the Krays into almost mythical people. Truth is they had a lot of Glasgow muscle through Thompson doing their dirty work in exchange for Arthur having his own slice of London in terms of rackets, clubs and pubs. Think it was Reggie who criticised Arthur for his muscle being too brutal - "dead men don't pay debts, Arthur" lol Thompsons mob for years were second on MI5's list of national secuirty threats after the IRA. Have the longest running gangland war in Britain too, with the Welshes that lasted nearly 30 years. Thompson never went to jail for killing a couple of nobodies either like the Krays. Why they never used their common sense there we'll never know. I know all about the Krays, but after learning about Thompsons mob in The Last Godfather and other books, they were by far more brutal, and never gave a toss about their image unlike the Krays.
happentodie Arthur worked with both mobs. One of the Richardson mobs sons was in the paper talking about Thompson the other week, quite interesting. Jimmy Boyle used to send boys down from the Gorbals for hits for the Richardsons aswell apparently. The Krays were just film star gangsters. Not even streetsmart, just media whores who copied the yank Mafia. Thmpson went down and told them he wanted a slice and they gave him it lol, in return for some Glasgow muscle and Arthur making sure they never got ripped off in deals up north.
the last godfather thompson was the real thing alright,him and Tam Mcgraw had issues , something about young fat boy thompson being killed ,i dont fully recall ,but scottish gangland is legit ,they make em tough up there ,even the Krays used scottish muscle ,Ian Barrie and scotch jack dickson ,staunch chaps
happentodie Tam McGraw was the snake of all snakes lol the Ferris movie was low quality and never really reflected the book of his, but it did include some things about McGraw the book couldn't use because he was still alive at the time of the book. I never knew he went to jail to visit Ferris to taunt him about taking over Glasgow and basically admitting he had Fatboy killed and Ferris's mates. Proper sneak that one.
The problem with society isn't people have gone mad nor is it they've gone nuts they just think from their self-esteem not their consciousness that supports all possibilities at all times. When I look at my history it isn't his story it's my many many short stories and therefore I'm never imprisoned in one identity ✝️✝️✝️✝️ ye will know the truth and ye will become from due to it
The train Robbers families said the same...........'firteeee years? Leave it aht.......firty faking years.............your 'aving a geraff........ain't ya?
30 years turned to life. yet you let a bunch of child killers, rapists, and pedophiles out. UK justice at its finest
erm i dont think so, not one report to say other wise, the uk government would have loved to have charged them with that.
One of the BEST documentaries I have seen. No question about it. Great job on the thoroughness of the information being brought forth....
With childish grammar.
I think a lot of the attraction that the krays have is based on the fact that they are from the 1960's.
Many people like to look back at the swinging sixties, hippy's, LSD, the civil rights movement, etc.
The same goes for Charles Manson, he's also part of that whole hype (if he had committed his crimes in 1939 or 1949, would he be as well known?).
The Vietnam War is the subject of many films and TV shows etc, but the Korean War (1950-53) is much less well known, there are few films about the Korean War, compared to the Vietnam War.
A lot of people associate the krays with David Bailey, Twiggy, the mods, the British music scene of the 60's, the TV shows and films (Monty Python etc), Enoch Powell, the start of the Northern Ireland troubles, the moon landing, the 1966 World Cup, etc is remembered much more than the 1950's and earlier.
In other words, the krays would probably be virtually unknown if they had been active 10-20-30 years earlier.
They were active criminals in the fifties. The documentary even tells of Ronnald Kray's three years prison for GBH in '49 as well as court attendence in the 'Old Bailey'. Their end (Pre prison years) was in the Sixties. The seriously sensationalist criminals of the 1930s are also still well known. Or as known as Mad Manson the Tate La Bianca serial killer. But clearly they have lost some of their ability to sell films and books and many already exist. How about Al Capone, Machine Gun Kelly, Ma Baker Gang, Bonnie and Cylide. John Dillinger, Ed McBain, John Reginiald Christie, DR Crippin, the Brides in the Bath, or the Acid Bath Murderer. I think it is their crimes that got them their notirioty. Not the fact they got caught in the sixties. They were active 10, 20 years earlier and were known. Being sent to Shepton Mallet Military Prison for 8 months in 1951 would clearly have got them known.
Your right Billy Hill and Jack Spot were much more organized and respected than the Krays so were the sabinis between the wars they just didn't pose for press pictures or court publicity
Criminals that were born during the right era
Yea you nailed it every word you wrote came straight from the atmosphere of the times! But the media made it what it became. Well done Regards Eire32
The picture of the twins coming out stoke Newington flats was taken by David Bailey
I once met Ronnie at a an Art appreciation evening at the Tate Gallery in 1965, he was utterly charming! His quaint mannerisms and insightful appreciation of the nuances of cubism however were disappointingly undermined by a violent incident later that evening when he caved in the face of a local artist with a rusty lump hammer.
Oh.... such wasted talent
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Cough cough bullshit
Those boys had no boundaries...but I wonder what made them such gentlemen towards women and children..uncanny...where they got their etiquette training..
@@angelahagerman5693 really! What about the endless string of young boys that both of the twins enjoyed. Not to forget about the threats given to the barmaid of The Blind Beggar pub. She kept quiet for 4 months after the shooting. They apparently used her kids against her. They were nothing but sociopathic nonces.
yes indeed!
both ron and reg loved pie & mash , they would scoff it down as quick as they could make it . lovely lads .
+StamfordMax i make a very neat sausages & mash with onion gravy monsier .
+StamfordMax right on old buddy
+StamfordMax you couldnt afford it old son .
+StamfordMax lesson one . you put your left leg in , left leg out , in out , in out , shake it all about .
+StamfordMax youre welcome son
What really surprised me was just how normal, grounded and generally alright Charlie Kray was. If the twins were a 9/10 on the scale of being hardcore and dangerous, Charlie was probably a 4 at best. He wasn't involved in most of their crap.
He was interviewed on another documentary and talked about his reaction to the George Cornell shooting. Basically, he was pretty angry and upset when the murders started and basically had no sympathy for the twins when Ronnie confessed to him. He gave them a lecture - they could have been something, they were doing great, but they had blown it and the shooting in The Blind Beggar over a petty dispute was just taking it too far because the police would be all over it.
And sure enough he was right. The law even managed to turn some of the firm's associates to go QE.
But what he also said was how genuinely devastated Reggie was when his wife died. He started drinking in a big way and was loaded up on various medications, barely functioning as a human.
It is a surprise how Charlie was in comparison to them, yes he was involved in other crimes but from the outside looking in he seemed to know when to stop. And from another documentary I’ve watched it seems that their father wasn’t around at all so in a way Charlie and their grandad took on more of a parental role which shouldn’t have been at all.
FEAR, RESPECT. Those two words are interchangeable when talking about gangs and GANGSTERS.
If after watching this documentary you'll feel the need to browse the comments then I give you fair warning... Don't.
It's like the Jeremy Kyle show of UA-cam.
Matt Field I wasn't going to but your comment peaked my curiosity
Soz bud :-/ my bad
Yeah, I'm sorry too
lmao xD I pissed myself laughing after reading this
Matt Field I couldn't help myself and browsed the comments. Now i sincerely regret it.
30 years for killing fellow criminals was too much.
Kray Jokes: "What's the difference between Eddie Richardson and a terrorist? You can negotiate with a terrorist."
The two Krays brothers are "Walking down the street. Reggie Kray asks Ron: "Do you use condoms?" Ron replies: "Durex", Reg answers: "I asked you first.""
Stick to the day job: nailing mugs heads to the floor.
PipersSon Shit comedians as well as criminals then.
Tom hardy could be their third twin by how much he looks like them in Legend.
+Lewis Shane LOL...didn't see it at first, but holy shit....you're right! LOLOL....the boxing pics convinced me...
yea he could definitely be the THIRD TWIN.
Lewis could be their 3rd dad
+Lewis Shane I'd say more like Jon Bernthal.
+Lewis Shane I come here for a PROPER shootout! What you gonna do with
that rollin pin? You gonna bake me a cake? What I want is a shootout, a
SHOOTOUT IS A SHOOTOUT... like a Western!
Forget Ronnie Kray its all about Ronnie Fucking Pickering these days!
who ?
+bristolguy100 😂😂😂😂
23 tony tyler bog holly past
Yos sex
Arnold Layne RONNIE PICKERING
Fascinating documentary .
I personally think the east end was a lot safer when the krays were there, compared to today!! granny bashing , rape, god knows what else, ron & reg only hurt fellow gangsters who tried to take over, they never ever hurt a woman or a child, they looked after there own
Lynne fox I think that was more to do with the '60's being a generally safer period than simply because the krays were about.
Lynne what about the shopkeepers etc they intimidated into protection rackets? Wasn't they 'their own'? I've no doubt they did do some good deeds but in balance they were complete lunatics.
I think you should remember a girl called frances shea who saw one way out of the terrifying and depressing life she had with the krays...and that was suicide.
I remember her, but she was clinically depressed, reg treated her like a queen, and if they were so bad why did she marry into the family, btw, my dad is from the eastend and new the krays , just to say hello and things, he said they were ok, you just didn't cross them, they looked after the old folk on their mannor, you would never have seen granny bashing then
No im sorry read up on her she was treated like property not a queen. She got loads of nice things from reg and yes in a twisted way reggie did care for her but she was property. A pretty thing to have. In his own words "a living doll". Ronnie detested her and reggie didn't let her get away from him. She left multiple times due to an emotionally abusive relationship and whatever the krays wanted they got. She couldn't get away from him. She was a fragile girl who was drawn in by the glamour at first but realised too late the violence and deceit underneath
My dear ol' mum God bless her was an extra in Sparrows can't Sing, and she told me about the time the Krays turned up on set. They said they should've been told about filming yet producer said he had informed Met Police, Ronnie and Reg took over control as long as the "FIRM" can have 2 minders in the film. I know mum said she met the Twins on numerous occasions and said any lady was treated with up most respect.
Thats because they preferred to rape young men.
I find it interesting that Nipper(or anyone else, fo that matter)doesn't tell us exactly WHY he was brought in. It was reportedly because unlike his bent copper colleagues he was incorruptible & couldn't be bought off by the Krays to turn a blind eye to their activities
Your getting mixed up with Eliot ness
The Kray twins were friends with jimmy savile and cliff richards and also numerous MP's who were uncovered as beasts.
Wow, is that really true?
Even so, it doesn't mean they knew about any illegal shenanigans on the part of those men. Saville and Richards were huge celebrities. EBERYBODY loved them, not just the Kray Bros.
+johnmcluskey Your Point is ?
Shit and blanket sticks love
+johnmcluskey one big pedo ring if u ask me ...wonder how far that would of gone if they never got locked up and lets face it they were locked up for not wot people knew about them but wot they knew about others
Jon K go back to school n learn some more English before writing a book in comments u u fûckin idîot!!!
check out the relationship between the krays - cliff richard aka (kitty) - Lord Boothby and Haut de la Garenne ( childrens home in Jersey)
Yes I no of it bud
Ronnie fancied Cliff but I don't think he ever got to know him
Didn't know the twins were involved with the children's home in Jersey
Don't think there was a relationship with Cliff Richard Ronnie saw him once in a restaurant and fancied him but I don't know if they ever actually met
@@michaelharrison3602 Ronnie asked to meet him ,but Cliff didn't want to
@Abigail Morrison,
I think the reason the Kray twins always come up in your conversations about Organized Crime "Gangsters" is because they were overtly celebrated by entertainers; charming & dapper in appearance; philanthropists; automatic artillery & sabres; commanded attention & fear from all who crossed paths with them and flaunted the fact that they were *serial killers* (who were permitted to roam free for a shamefully long time in the beautiful, so-called sophisticated city of London).
Ronnie had a bad case of diptheria when he was a kid and it nearly killed him. That is what is believed to of caused his Schizophrenia. I believe that if it wasnt for Ron , Reggie would of become a prominent nightclub owner and business man and would never of gone inside.
They were gangsters, that's all they needed 😎
Charlie Kray was very rattled when the murders started. He tried in vain to explain to the twins that they could have had everything, they could have been someone, done well for themselves and gone straight with plenty of money. But now they'd blown it and it was the beginning of the end, he explained to Ronnie that he knew what would happen next with The Blind Beggar shooting - police would be all over it and all over them.
And he was right.
Charlie really wasn't that bad. He was busted for a few things, but they were nothing to do with the family firm activities and his crimes were nothing like as serious.
My grandad used to hang out with the kray twins , he was in prison for a few years after what he done
"it's a fucking rolling pin" 😂
The first 8 minutes are about everything other than the krays.
Thanks
Oh god the comments on here, keyboard warriors
Ahaha yeahh and the level of English is a fucking joke
Agree nobody would be saying these comments if they were still alive.
Leanne Roberts I agree... I'd be scared they'd come round my house and rape my arse (I am a 14 year old boy).
i will insteaD
Your probably gonna laugh, 🤣but I'm gonna ask you anyway:
What's a "keyboard warrior"? 🤷🏼♀️
Saying the Kray Twins will be remembered as "Britains only Gangsters" is wrong and shows how little this author knows about the Underworld of this country.
Oh yeah definitely lol made him look a right tit
Place is full of wannabe gangsters these days lol
@mark675 who do you think those wannabes wannabe like 😂
50:47 - Burke & Hare we're both Irish and murdered in Scotland Mr 'Criminal Historian'
Thanks for posting! Interesting bio.
Now both gone. We're not here long.
Interesting to watch, wanna get an idea of the brothers before the movie coming out.
The film doesn't look to be accurate at all man
David Gannon Whys that bud?
***** Film is gonna dramatize and almost turn them into heroes, the ruthless gangsters, which is fine and expected but not very "accurate" if u care for it.
Theo Truter I for one have never seen a film about criminals, that made me believe that the protagonists were in some way, heroes.
Can you name a film in which criminals have looked good?
***** Shawshank redemption kinda and God Father a little at times
I think what they meant was that they are the best known 'Gangsters' when i have conversations with people over Gangsters in general, The Kray twins are always the ones that pop up.
“Demolition is replacing pubs & clubs”
So it’s boring af
Thx uploader,i vant get enough serial killet and gangster documentarys
Try '10 Rillinton Place' about serial murderer Reginald Christie.
Reggie could have been a contender or a business man without his brothers influence
But he did crime instead. So what could have been, wasn't.
He was a pretty good boxer but you need to be more than pretty good to be a contender could he have been a business man if he wasn't allowed to intimidate people I dunno doubt it. Now Charlie richardson could definitely have been a business man he actually had legitimate businesses away from crime
There has been other London gangsters, Terry Adams Clerkenwell and in the surrounding areas like Manchester & Liverpool, The Noonans, Curtis Warren! But the Krays’ are definitely the most infamous & certainly the most unique!
What's Liverpool and Manchester got to do with London Al Capone
The Adams syndicate are more feared than The Krays ever were and unlike The Krays, it’s an open secret many people have disappeared who have crossed them but they are to this day still untouched for murder. Only thing they’ve been done for is tax evasion. Definitely not a firm anyone would want to get on the wrong side of.
Ronnie gave me a Park Drive in 1964. Top bloke.
A person called Tony Costello knew the kray twins, he was a gangster himself, he was younger than them and they used to look after him. Now he is old living in a house near my god brother... And I know him.
What do want: a biscuit 😅
One day we'll have the good old boys back. Time always repeats its self. And I hope so.
I Eat My Own Poop Sometimes hopefully pal. Hopefully.
@@JakTheLad 9i.
all big cities have a hardcore criminal element, Freddie foreman has admitted he liked the buzz that crime gave him, Freddie could have been a very talented businessman, he is a clever man, but he enjoyed the buzz that crime gave him
Dam the krays were crazy as hell.
cant wait to see Tom Hardy as the twins
But which twin will he play?
VC YT 🙄
Great movie it was an amazing job at playing both brothers
That reporter has a ton of animosity for the Krays. He subtly insults them throughout the entire clip and comes off as a scared journalist that wouldn't talk shit until the Krays were behind bars.
And you would? You might have ended up as a rape victim...
and the Krays always made you say thankyou
No thay say give me your money.
kinda weird all these brave people slagging the dead krays off dont you think// very brave on a computer
People are simply pointing out what they were like. Being brave does not come into thru equation. If you can't identify them as the scumbags they were, you have got a SERIOUS problem.
Yeah I agree! Nice and safe in their bedrooms! I had a runin on the way home at midnight with a load of young lads with a bag full of cider and cans of beer,they started callin me a cunt,I went over to them and said you got sumfin to say? They started reciting lines from snatch and scareface to me,pretendin thats how they talk etc,I was amused !but they kept up the abuse,tellin me they're gonna do me)so I took the 6 foot2 one clean out! As soon as I did that, they started sayin things like "he's 19 you're about 30!" And he's only 15! Its a strange world we live in! They then thaught i was picking on them! Corporal punishment disappeared and adults are terrified of getting nicked so kids mouth people off,and end up in a pub abit older,try it again and get beaten up,then they end up sat in the corner shitin themselves
so people aren't entitled to there opinions anymore?
It's called freedom of speech thicko!
Slaney Solace dismissing them as scumbags would suggest you have a serious problem pure ignorance they weren't scumbags they were human beings yes they done some bad things but only to other gangsters who had crossed them. They did alot of good too but people seem to want to overlook that which is totally wrong.
This guy does make me laugh he's defiantly the type to piss his little pants
did they really think that they could walk into a crowded pub, shoot someone and hope to get away with it? seems kinda dumb
They were extremely feared, almost untouchable
They ears and eyes all around the eastend .
chrish12345 No it doesn't. Grassing was not a thing that happened back then so they would expect nobody to talk.
***** Rupert Murdoch is a media mogul not a murderer like both of the Krays were.
***** He doesn't actually kill though. Nor do politicians, The Krays actually stabbed, shot etc.
The best named villain was Jack Spot. Classic!
There are more notorious criminals in politics, in the justice department and in the vatican. Rest in peace Ronnie And Reggie.
I'm surprised you don't have more thumbs up.
i agree, but The Krays werent really nice people, were they? i have nothing to grind with them, but if you are honest, they were out of control and bullies.
thats the real story. they were not heroes
They would be involved in human trafficking if they were on the streets today
@@itsme1585 I highly doubt that. They had the upmost respect for women! They wouldn’t even curse in front of them. Had they not started to murder people they probably would’ve lasted longer.
Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely.
For some reason I always thought Charlie was a good bloke in a bad family.He seems a lovely fella in every interview I've seen of him if you don't count his drug dealing of course?
I don't believe he ever actually dealt any drugs conspiracy charges are like that
He ran extortion and protection rackets. He once crippled a young girl because her father wouldn’t pay protection money. He lived near me and I knew his daughter. Absolute arsehole.
@@peteconrad2077 nice to read some one tell the truth instead of the usual Kray Groupies going about what good blokes they were
@@michaelharrison3602 the fan boys normally know nothing about them.
@@peteconrad2077 I beg to differ fans usually read up on everything about their heroes. My granddaughter is a one direction fan and can tell you anything you want to know about Harry Styles. The Kray fan boys can tell you everything ever written about Ronnie
Richardson's were smarter and much more advanced rip Charlie
Tina Sharpe I agree the Richardson’s were the proper gangsters
But the krays wanted to be celebrities that’s the difference .
That said the Richardson’s were a nasty bunch and wouldn’t care who you were the krays only went after those who wronged them and added to their gentlemen gangster image.
I respect them more tbh
The Richardsons were mainly concerned about making money and never appeared in the papers. The Krays were more concerned with appearing in the local paper and never made any real money until they were in prison
They even kept a scrap book about themselves. They had good clothes and money in their pockets to flash in the pubs and clubs just like today's tracksuited drug dealers they owned no legitimate businesses or property unlike the Richardsons and Fred
The Richardsons were homosexuals
This actual documentary MUST be what inspired "Didn't You Kill My Brother"! (look it up, it's hilarious)
"london east end" more like middle east now
+JugNess Certain things in life are common knowledge and you need to wise , im afraid you are letting emotion get in the way of the truth .
+JugNess Most part of them has come to sweden, along with some other sixten thousand, other "rug pilots" !
***** I bet he is like alot of us, the last figure I read was 16500 "rug pilots" coming to sweden there´s been talk of 15 billion swedish kroner just for the first batch !! How long can we sustain I wonder ?
Yes, true. I wholly agree with you. Though most of the people living in both nations are thoroughly decent, freedom loving and humane (and English people are some of the most innovative and resourceful people in history, as lots of great and interesting stuff/people/things/cultural items/inventions/upgrades came out of that country, most especially within the modern day, pop and rock musical realm).
Don't forget The Rolling Stones, The Kinks, Led Zeppelin, The Animals, The Who, The Police, The Cure, The Stone Roses, The Smiths, Oasis, Def Leppard, Pet Shot Boys and all the others, big and small. What a run of superb, original and outstanding musical manifestations and outpourings back between 1963 till about 1997!
Such poor research by claiming Frank Mitchell was broken out of Dartmoor in 1967 to assist in a gangland war with the Richardsons. Mitchell was broken out in late 1966 and by that time the Richardsons were in the nick anyway.
Broken out on the 12th of December and murdered by the Krays Donoghue and Foreman on Christmas Eve the 24th December 1966.
Oh England, your country is totally ruined
Why does everybody want to come here then
@@dianeroberts751 good point
Imonsmoko,
If you found one or a pair of criminal books in a City Library does that mean all the library's books are corrupted? Even if it was the Librarian who pointed out to you the book you was reading was a criminal book. Not of the Library stock but illegally there. IE a single dog turn does not the cricket pitch ruin. It may soil an end and smell. But after removal and containment the game continues.
My dad worked for them. He said he never killed anyone, but we'll never know....
An Walt Disney is a mouse
People can say what they want about the krays but I bet you wouldn't stand a chance against one of them back then. You can only talk shit about them because there dead but back then alot of people did respect the twins and they respected people who respected them my grandad knew them he was brought up in the same part of London he wasn't in there circle but he did know them
I classic example of fear mistaken for respect. That mad axe man guy - Mitchell, was a threat to them and they offed him in a cowardly way. They were just bullies.
OneEyedGirl.NG He must've known that the Richardsons were the main crime family in London then and that the Krays were a pair of gays that were only interested in making a name for themselves. They definately had some masculinity issues...I guess fucking a man's ass does that to a man.
OneEyedGirl.NG You act as if they Big Boss from MGS. Alone, they would have been torn apart by any other East End thug. It's easy to play the tough guy when you have a gun and 15 men behind your back. Stupid girl.
Jacob Fy and as much as she's wrong so are you. if you watched the whole video you'd be aware they were very skilled fighters as well as armed.
So I figure your grandad would know if there was any truth to the very well known rumour that the krays biggest source of income was through procuring children for the elite to abuse. Because this rumour has always stained my perception of the krays and I would love to put it to rest.
You didn't cross the Krays, they used sarcasm and ... satire
I never heard of the Kray twins until a few weeks ago but I'm not all that familiar with many things in relation to London, although I've always wanted to visit.
(I'm from Portugal, Maderia which isn't to far away, so hopefully the next time I go...)
From reading thru sum comments, I gather that public opinion is either one extreme or the other: Love or Hate.
I'd likely side with the former.
I'm gonna satisfy my curiosity now and watch this and see what these two dudes are all about...
You should watch the film made about them called THE KRAYS(1990) it's really good also a more recent film LEGEND (TOM HARDY) 😊
you need a Londoner to show you
The Kray family living down in Ramsgate in the 1970s, any relation to the Krays?
Of course, having lived in Italy, I knew the " Familia Italiana, " it all came back to me, growing up in an English seaside town, the history of The Krays, swinging London and the east end. Amazing how much the Italians knew about them..... !! 🕶🕶🕶🗿🗿
the krays will always be remembered as Britains only gangsters whats he onabout?
The krays were not against drugs and if they were still around, they would try and get into human trafficking
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Thanks for posting. The cop was actually named "Nipper"? Now I *have to* watch the Piranha Brothers!
Reggie's mrs was gorgeous what a waste
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Hulk woulda smashed
Every kid who was born just after the war played on bombsites they weren't only in east London
Commanded “respect” they know not what it meant
"Their name was very very well known and very feared I can assure you of that" says one of their snivelling rats.
Let me tell you how it really was...
My mother was a lovely and kind lady and she had no truck with bullying rubbish like the Krays.
She lived in hard times but she was always strong and honest
She said to me many times "those people are not men they are cowards and they are bullies, I hope you will always hate them like poison".
I always hated them like poison and I spit on their memory!
I value my mother not two filthy cowards.
And some people have the nerve to say that the Krays didn't deserve 30 years in prison. They showed absolutely no remorse for their victims or their victims' families and so, despite what some fools say, they definitely did deserve 30 years in prison.
This is an absolutely brilliant documentary about the Krays.
For years now I have always wanted to know if it is true of what I hear about the Krays, it is true.
The streets were safer then than what they are now..figure of speech!
If the streets avove the under world were safer then it was because murderers such as the Krays were doing a minimum of 30 years.
The streets were safer in those days anyway, regardless of those two. There was just less crime back then in general.
Guns for show, knives for a pro...
I think you've been watching too many gangster movies
What are you ten years old
Britains most famous gangsters not only gangsters
They never hurt the innocent intentionally, no children or women were harmed, you do something bad you get punished, that's the way they worked, if you had nothing to do with them they had nothing to do with you.
if in restaurant one of them said he needs your table and u refused u would be fucked. Good lads, respect. But don't be naive.
bannanaskinman Get your fucking facts right, they both raped under age boys...so naive it's unreal!!!
bannanaskinman Bollox. Do more research.
bannanaskinman if they were on the streets today they would be involved in trafficking young boys
Please wake up
They done something bad they got punished that's the way it was
I regularly walk up Valence road ..and past the Krays house ...and think of what those days were like
@graham moore the krays House isn't there anymore it got knocked down and redeveloped, there house was 178 vallance Road
Apparantly, the Richardson gang was even more violent, with their kangaroo courts and gestapo methods.
They rivaled the krays and the gang was done in 65. The krays kept going.
@@jakemurnion4306 didnt do nearly as much as the Richardsons
@@justingower4306 that's why the krays ran the Eastside of London like an iron rod ask Cornell what happened when he came into kray territory.
Richardson's were smarter, more ruthless & made more money.
@@ORIGINOLINDIVIDUAL so that's why the leader got arrested in 66 watching the world cup and after that the gang ceased to exist. Ok bro think what you want.
It’s hard to give evidence vs one brother when u know the other one is going to be free to get to u.
Britains only gansters WTF??? The Adams family made the twins look like paper boys. Also the Richardsons,the Crays were East End Small time.
Street Skater 66 And you cant even spell Krays when its on your screen?
Lol the adams u kiding? They were unknown u fool the krays ruled london no one took them on the only big major gangssters were the krays and richardsons lol
No one cares about them though 😂
"John McVicar, Journalist"? Not convicted armed robber and former escaped prisoner?
A good insight into `TheTwins` is a book written by firm insider Albert Donaghue (Krays Luetenant) it basically blows away a lot of the myth.For instance when on of their firm was `away` they have a collection for the blokes wife then the bastards would put most of it back in their pockets!
He's a grass wouldn't believe a word he says
Donoghue is full of 💩
Im surprised that Charlie didnt stop Rony Kray murdering people at random,being a psychopath,as he was diagnosed..
It’s Ronnie hun
Think about it Yeh, all the police had back then to convict someone of a crime was finger prints and witnesses testimony and that was it. So it was hard, really really hard to nail somebody.
Back then juries were made up of mainly "respectable "middle class people who'd never had any real experience of the police and would believe anything a police officer said in court. If a police officer said in the witness box that he had seen Ronnie Kray flying over Buckingham Palace holding a machine gun the jury would have found him guilty of it. Look at the Richardsons case:no medical evidence of anyone being tortured, no forensic evidence no " black box" just the testimonies of two professional fraudsters offered immunity from prosecution if they gave evidence plus they wouldn't have to pay back the money they owed. This plus evidence from police officers who had been on the Richardsons payroll but didn't think that they were getting enough money and a few other small time villains serving time who were offered early release to say that they had been present at the torture sessions. A Complete travesty of justice 😅
*"A Clockwork Orange"* comes to mind ...
All who say that east end is like middle east now, I agree and sympathize with you, I really do.. having your old nostalgic town changed, I feel it, I do..
However the krays where romany, from their dad's side, and we all know that the romanys came from what is Pakistan now, a 1000 years ago, so 20 odd generations ago their grandad was a foreigner..
Feel free to comment
I think they were romany on their mum's side 'the Lees I think they were Jewish on their dad's side
Not quite, Billy Hill and Jack Spot came before them and no Mafia organization ever materialized in Britain. Tho the Kray's were major players in organized crime and highly respected by many, they did play up for the camera's. Hence their down falls. Many other ruthless gangs were well established at and around the same time.
These Kray brothers were "Beasts"; they were not men who were trying to be gangsters. They were truly just persons who have the mentality and nature of Beasts, and I don't call them animals because even a lowly animal would have more morals.
Also, they were allowed to continue and extend their violence upon others because the people in their community initially respected them for their violence. And it seems the people in the community had a degree of affinity in their own natures to the Beast quality in the nature and mentality of the Krays, but just wasn't as deep as the Beast nature in the Krays.
The violence the Krays did, especially the torture and the murders was not prompted by any need to defend themselves nor even robbery but just their sheer pleasure to inflict torturous pain and to have the thrill of the power to take another's life. Therefore, for the people who witnessed especially the murder in the bar and then to know of the Krays ongoing acts of murder and torture; ...although the people of the community had eventually become nearly paralyzed with fear; nevertheless, their lack of witnessing against the Krays continues to show that these people had a degree of affinity with the animalistic nature of the Krays and that is why they initially tolerated and respected the violent behavior of the Krays and did not witness. Also, the community could have formed their own secret group and killed the Krays, since they literally had a wild Beast in the community.
And lets be honest: had the Krays been Black men or some other men of color the people of this community would have no confusion of perception and thus would have readily seen their violence as just Beasts, not gangster, and would have witnessed against the Krays or killed them to rid such a Beast from continuing behavior that the Krays had evidenced they would not stop. Also, the police and courts would have truly gone after the Krays instead of being so overly kind in their perception of them that continued to allow a tolerance of the violence. Consequently, the community and the police sustained a "support" of the Krays and therefore got what they seemed to Respect and relatively deserved by that Respect.
WOW ! That is amazing insight -So, according to you , if the Krays were 'persons of colour' then they would never have stood a chance to commit all those crimes -because the authorities and the community would never stand for blacks or foreigners committing such crimes ? Amazing how nowadays RACE seems to apply to stories even in which, race plays no conceivable part in proceedings whatsoever. Race has and had nothing to do with this part of history,no matter which way you dice and slice it ! Have a look at the current and horrific stabbing culture that is going on in London's (primarily) 'black' communities , then tell me about 'race' and crime. Maybe it's all because of slavery ....
always keen to talk about skin colour, give your head a wobble lol
Both their victims were defenceless and unarmed and Mitchell was outnumbered, thats cowardly not brave.
'Organised Crime'? Give-over, they were operating out of the local billiard hall, when it closed they went to their mothers Council house grot to plan the next 5 year leap, all they had was a car park fiddle at Heathrow Airport going for them, when it was stopped by the Police they folded into a life of petty criminals and 'threats' (Begging with violence). The Army have a file on them which makes hilarious reading, they tried taking the mickey, failed, then ran, Ron last 24 hours in uniform before jumping the fence around the back of the base and thumbing it home to his MAM?
+Jon K . Reference: THE KRAYS ARMY FILE and Court Martial Military Court Appearances. It's all on the internet, listed as Offences Against Military Discipline. The been repeated in numerous books and paperbacks.
+PipersSon Someone is looking for you...
+Bruce Roberts . Meet me outside 134 Whitechapel Road, and come armed and well prepared. I will be waiting .........
PipersSon It's not me looking for you pal, it's someone else...they will outside Alvin Lee waiting for you
+PipersSon It was the Richardsons who ran the car park not the twins -you got it wrong mate.The twins wanted in on it but The Richardsons weren't interested.
In my opinion NEVER was a villain 😂👌👌 perfect rhythm
Neva wuda been a villian
The Krays knew alot about the Paedo circuit , they knew all about famous Gay singers , People say the streets were safe unless you were fancied by the Krays
All those old school east end values about not cooperating with the old bill went out the window pretty quickly when it came to saving their own skins 😂
"LEGEND"...
Ronnie kray tried to kiss me in a club in 1968 when I was only 15, when I pushed away he told me to get in the cubicle, well I ran for my life, two days later he hunted me down and found me on the street walking home, he grabbed me by the collar and told me never to mention what happened or he would fucking kill me! He was off his damn rocker
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When nipper read and his team see the whole kray gang and the twins themselves sent down nipper had taken his hard working team to a west end restaurant and they all sat down to champagne and for dinner they had cray fish ,,true fact ,,that's nipper reads way of saying we've done ya Ron and reg your finished
Bollox
@@chucky2316 you muggy little twerp
"Street were safer". Well, i suppose than when the Krays bought parliament members blindness with youg boys, it was better for the rest of the community than when Saville did the same...
What's more scary get cut up by the krays or bummed by them?
+Karen Tregaskin hahahaaa good1
+dave03085 its not called bummed lol, its love brother
The Dutch Masters 400 years before the Krays😎
I've yet to meet a cockney, that ain't related or their aunt lived next door to, or their grandad delivered the krays milk or lived two doors from the blind beggar pub.
Oh, gawd blimey, Lord love a duck, mate...
My aunt used to iron there jock straps,but weired cos they were waring them at the time.
Christ Knows.
So what did you mean? Did you mean their aunts and uncles and Irish Jewish grand parents were having sex with so many that most of Bethal green was related to the Krays?
The description described the Krays as English. But they were Jewish Irish. Not English.
Seems whilst some media say Jewish Irish other media says they were not. So as there are differing reports., can not honestly now say. Hear say and rsecond hand reports is all I have as source material. So sorry.
get your facts right they didnt hurt old people or women and children
Shanni-Leigh Boobear That's bullshit, they hurt whoever they needed too.
Ron would hurt your batty
Ohio Girl LOL! Apparently you know that because you knew them..... ok
Lmaooo either way I wouldn’t give a fuck. Your dismissed bitch.
Nostalgic Meth They forced minors to have sex. Ronnie at gunpoint even. Not ten year olds, but minors. You need to watch a couple more of these docs I guess. Try "the gangster and the pervert peer". Enjoy.
I blame the web. The Kray's spent way too much time, in their youth, watching violence on the internet.
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The Krays just tried to rip off Mafia style and failed. They used to read books on them then copy them from everything from clothes to kissing people on the face and hands. Had dramatic shoot outs where no one got shot aswell lol.
Arthur Thompson's mob was by far more hardcore but he never got the press and folklore because he wasn't English. The English etc tabloids turned the Krays into almost mythical people. Truth is they had a lot of Glasgow muscle through Thompson doing their dirty work in exchange for Arthur having his own slice of London in terms of rackets, clubs and pubs. Think it was Reggie who criticised Arthur for his muscle being too brutal - "dead men don't pay debts, Arthur" lol
Thompsons mob for years were second on MI5's list of national secuirty threats after the IRA. Have the longest running gangland war in Britain too, with the Welshes that lasted nearly 30 years. Thompson never went to jail for killing a couple of nobodies either like the Krays. Why they never used their common sense there we'll never know.
I know all about the Krays, but after learning about Thompsons mob in The Last Godfather and other books, they were by far more brutal, and never gave a toss about their image unlike the Krays.
darren jones
Sorry, did I say it was? Face it, the Krays ripped off Mafia boys from New York, it's not a secret.
the richardsons were real gangsters and were more than equal to arthur richardson,the Krays were not in the richardsons league
happentodie Arthur worked with both mobs. One of the Richardson mobs sons was in the paper talking about Thompson the other week, quite interesting.
Jimmy Boyle used to send boys down from the Gorbals for hits for the Richardsons aswell apparently. The Krays were just film star gangsters. Not even streetsmart, just media whores who copied the yank Mafia. Thmpson went down and told them he wanted a slice and they gave him it lol, in return for some Glasgow muscle and Arthur making sure they never got ripped off in deals up north.
the last godfather thompson was the real thing alright,him and Tam Mcgraw had issues , something about young fat boy thompson being killed ,i dont fully recall ,but scottish gangland is legit ,they make em tough up there ,even the Krays used scottish muscle ,Ian Barrie and scotch jack dickson ,staunch chaps
happentodie Tam McGraw was the snake of all snakes lol the Ferris movie was low quality and never really reflected the book of his, but it did include some things about McGraw the book couldn't use because he was still alive at the time of the book. I never knew he went to jail to visit Ferris to taunt him about taking over Glasgow and basically admitting he had Fatboy killed and Ferris's mates. Proper sneak that one.
Fascinating story, but why the hammer at the end? It made it seem like it was some sort of American court drama.
The Kraus were good men . If you stepped out a line . U had ya pants pulled down .
Even if you didn't step out of line Ronny could your pants down
The problem with society isn't people have gone mad nor is it they've gone nuts they just think from their self-esteem not their consciousness that supports all possibilities at all times. When I look at my history it isn't his story it's my many many short stories and therefore I'm never imprisoned in one identity ✝️✝️✝️✝️ ye will know the truth and ye will become from due to it
The train Robbers families said the same...........'firteeee years? Leave it aht.......firty faking years.............your 'aving a geraff........ain't ya?
kelly haha
I cant watch British or Australian crime shows anymore. Y'all basically have no justice system in place for these monsters. Man up.
They received a minimum of 30 years each.