Totally agree mate. Im a cockney but the way many people spoke in that era and earlier and even cockneys was lovely. When some, mostly younger people speak these days i dont even know what they are talking. Even 10 year old kids these days are all ''street'' nonsense. Although ive heard some older people talk like it and its ridiculous. 30 years ago and beyond you spoke like the area you come from. Scouser, brummie, cockney, west country etc etc. As i keep saying, i dont know what is happening to this country and how its happened so quick as well. Everything and all history is getting lost. Regional accents are sadly getting less and less.
Great quality programme from1999, the days when adverts came on at about 15 to 20 min intervals, before digital came along and adverts ruined viewing by coming on after 5 mins, then at 10 min intervals destroying the pleasure of commercial TV viewing completely. 10.20 UK
Good point. Also, today, every documentary has the end credits and music - just when you are reflecting on what you''ve just enjoyed watching - instantly ruined by the channel's presenter going on about future programmes on the channel.
There's worse crimes in this day and people get alot less they stole paper that's it nowadays its computers and stuff I feel sorry for the gaurd pesos get less
No criminal master minds, just ordinary criminals, who each carried out different crimes.. They all balls of steel and gave no fux. Im unsure on them being accused of being the cause of Jim mills death, not nice what they did to him, maybe he got saucy and needed a clump to make him behave,
Different breed of criminal. When Ronnie Biggs had his stroke and wanted to return to the UK He phoned the yard and asked to speak to slipper. He was told slipper had retired, he explained he wanted to return to the UK and wanted slipper to meet him at the airport. He told them slipper had tried to extradite him from Brazil many times over the years and he thought it was only fair he should finally get his man.
In those days yes they were criminal and certainly sometimes violent but they had strong morals and lived by a code. Definitely a more gentleman villain than the kids of today.
Ill never get tired watching anything about this train robbery. Im from South Africa, my. Late husband from the UK and he told me about this, fascinating!
@@royharrison Not that im bothered if you believe me my surname is Radford and Norman was my Uncle mentioned here books.google.co.uk/books?id=aTetDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT315&lpg=PT315&dq=norman+radford+charlie+wilson&source=bl&ots=vgEwVH5-JT&sig=ACfU3U1k05HbtX0d222q82n3gNl7IVU-_A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiN35fG3brvAhVjt3EKHYOBDFcQ6AEwDXoECA8QAw#v=onepage&q=norman%20radford%20charlie%20wilson&f=false
Completely believable to me, I walked through Streatham Cemetry at the bottom of Garrett Lane a few years ago to see if I could find Charlie’s grave, found it almost immediately, sadly it was a little overgrown, I took a few minutes to tidy it up, for no other reason than I had always had a romantic opinion of the Great Train Robbery visiting Bridego Bridge (fair walk from Cheddington station) a couple of years ago.
Back around the time my dad was working at Bedford power station.. He had an accident and had to be driven to the Luton and Dunstable hospital then on home to Kingsbury.. The tea boy on the job was the one who had to take him.. Turned out it was Roy James of the great train robbery gang.. My mum spoke to him thought he was a lovely bloke.. You never know who you'd be working with 😁
I went to my aunts funeral a few years back, to my great surprise, there was Bruce Reynolds , paying his respects? Apparently my Aunt Rene had hidden Bruce for weeks and got him out of the country, after the robbery. He never forgot that kindness and Inside the cover of a book he wrote, is a picture of her.
@@kimmason9935 Yeah Fred was offered a part on the robbery but he turned it down because the year before in 1962. his firm robbed £250.000. in Gold bars.
Jailing the robbers in 1964, Mr Justice Edmund Davies told them that "to deal with this case leniently would be a positively evil thing" and duly sent most of them down for 30 years. Yet the previous year the same judge had reduced the sentence on appeal of one Charles Connelly, who had been involved in a robbery in which a van driver in Mitcham, Surrey, was shot dead. Cutting his term from 15 to 10 years, Davies said: "The sentence was excessive." - The Guardian. Listening to them all complaining about the time they got, never thought twice about stealing a great deal of money and using up police time and a great deal of the public funds. This was a different age and there was some justice then but for a murderer to get away with 10 years was ridiculous then and is now.
Today in 2023 i would imagine everybody who took part in this film will be long gone and if anything you learn from the film is this ,if ever you commit a crime large or small do so on your own and never tell a soul .
Interesting and informative. Excellent photography job making it easier for viewers to better understand what the orator was describing. Historians did a very good job presenting actual facts from fiction. Class A research project. Special thanks to the train robbers & flying squad for making this documentary possible!!! However I do condemn the thug who physically assaulted engineer mills.
Ronnie Biggs decided to return to the UK on a jet plane escorted by the police and was arrested in-flight.The jet plane landed at RAF Northolt and he was escorted to Belmarsh prison to serve the rest of the sentence.He suffered a stroke while in prison and he got released on compassionate grounds.
I remember some saying he'll serve about 3 or 4 and It'll probably be In an open prison, I said he'll serve more than that ,the way he made the UK Prison system a laugh for over 30 years Though I didn't think he'd be put In Belmarsh a Max security prison, and I think he served 8 ,But they were never going to be soft on him, he became a superstar and while he was never considered a big time robber he just was lucky or unlucky depending on your view to get a place on the train, over the next several decades many big time gangsters like Freddie Foreman would visit him, and Fred told him not to go home and that they wont be soft on you because you mugged off the Govt but I'd say Ronnie didn't want to die In Brazil, I used to say he'll return home if he's sick and he's going to die he'll come home and die in the UK
Very interesting. thanks for posting this ! Not sure about the ads. David Giniola's hair and Felix the cat. Having watched this, it does go some way to separate truth from fiction after having watched the BBC's two part drama The Great Train Robbery which was broadcast last month:
@@basicdesign1 definitely wouldn’t sound like me I’m not from London. Just not sure why he thinks they would not sound the same? Very strange thing to say
I am honestly really shocked at the commenters saying how these were 'gentlemen' robbers. They were vicious thugs, with long histories of violence, who left two men traumatised for the rest of their lives, and still fail to take responsibility for those actions. When Biggs returned to England, not only did he do so in a private jet, but was also paid the equivalent of 4 years salary at the time for his story - all by a British newspaper. I for one think these men are repugnant criminals who basically got away with an appalling crime - the money was never found - and certainly shouldn't be hero-worshipped.
To be fair, most of them didn't actually get to enjoy any of the stolen cash because they were in prison and the people who were 'looking after it' for them, ripped them off and it was all gone by the time they got out. I reckon those people are the ones who benefited most from the appalling crime....stacks of cash and not even any risk of nicking it!
I remember this like it was only yesterday! It happened just one month before my 13th birthday and of course everyone was talking about it......I mean £2.5 million was a massive sum back then. It was interesting to hear from that Detective that even they thought the sentences extreme. Most people I knew all said the same. It was mainly because the money had been taken from the Post Office so a crime against 'the state' so the judge was determined to use them to send a message out to the proles.....don't mess with the state otherwise you'll get sent down for a very long time. It's ok if your name is Johnson though and you went to Eton!
The train driver, 58-year-old Jack Mills, was bashed by the gang after they had entered the locomotive's cab from both sides and he tried to fight them off.
A very sad Story in the end but it will allways be fascinating to the public during what could go down as the Best Decade of most of our life’s, The swinging 60’s 😊
@@paulgabolinscy2502 No, septic is the word Ì wanted to use and your need to correct me on what you percieve as a spelling mistake only enforces my comment on lost subtleties.
That's what one calls...Pure spite. Reissuing every stolen bank note at a greater cost than the money stolen. Only a Prime minister could come up with that mindless idea. Poor, Harold Wilson...He eventually, and completely, went of his trolley.
Saddest aspect to the story was the robbers being inside and their (formerly trusted) friends & family are using the loot as an inexhaustible bag of petty cash. That's gonna scrape your nads if you're doing porridge!
Warning- do not watch 'The Great Train Robbery The History Channel' Within minutes you realise it is factually incorrect. Maybe for this reason, comments are disabled on that video.
Because the police would be inquiring for witnesses in relation to an arson so any vehicles seen on the roads around the area at the time would be investigated meaning they could've potentially been nicked for something way smaller which would've - by simple logic - exposed the larger crime once they realised those caught in connection with a petty house fire all happened to be career criminals
Never understood that one myself. Last man out the door should have doused the gaff and put a match to it. Most of them would have been rounded up anyway but placing them there would have been a lot harder to prove in a court of law. Mind you, a few of them were well and truly fitted up so the ol bill might have found a way round it anyway. But I could never have put my trust in a dodgy brief cleaning up after me. No way.
Incidentally they never nabbed the old duffer who was supposed to drive the train. I have a strong suspicion they knew who he was but they didn't want to nab him. They didn't want to nab him because he was a looked upon by Joe Public as a bumbling retiree who somehow deserved to get away with it. He did, but are you trying to tell me the government/establishment didn't know who he was? I bet you they did but it was politically convenient to let him slip the net. So as not to upset Joe Public.
The thing I noticed about the GTR and other big robberies is the robbery seems to be the simple part, but the aftermath is when it all goes wrong, 20 years later the security express robbery went smooth but the suspects then fly to Spain and have a picture taken which eventually brought them down.
It seems the movie 'Buster' (1988) with Phil Collins starring got it very right. The details are spot on.....even the ol' man lighting his pipe! See the movie and also the making of 'Buster'.
@@thevillaaston7811 Even there I think they had it correct. He got a nasty hit on the head (which apparently was not supposed to happen). It shows the driver holding his head as he is shoved into the driver's seat. This after the old coot realizes he knows nothing of modern diesel engines. If not for the guy who squeals to Scotland Yard, they might have pulled this long shot off. I am impressed with both the director's concern for detail and Collins mostly spot-on acting. (not fond of his Mexican dinner scene, but it certainly highlight the 'fish out of water' aspect of the Buster character)
@@rk41gator When it came to the violence inflicted on the train driver, suddenly, the camera was outside of the locomotive cab. However, the film makers portray the people involved, and what they did, it was still a crime.
It was about robbery, thieving and cheating. Any one can be am underworld sneak thief as it just requires brawn but it takes intelligence to be honest and to know that honest guts are far better than bad guts.
Years ago at a mate’s wedding in Stockport we met by chance Ronnie Biggs daughter and mad Frankie frazer I think they were doing some book deal anyway the sent a bottle of champagne to the bride n groom what a chance meeting
Ronnie Biggs had 3 sons with his first wife Charmaine ( sadly one was killed in a car accident here in Australia as a child ) and another son from his second marriage . No daughter m8 .
That was a helluva lot of money when wages were about 5 a week if you were lucky 'in 1962 money was not the strong point of your life 'just imagine 2 million you could buy anything you wanted airplane Ferrari s anything 'there were hardly any millionaires in 1962 '40 pence would run your car all week you really can't imagine what that amount of money ment 'you would have been classed as super rich 'and maybe one of the most wealthy people in Britain 'whereas a couple of million means nothing today 'your house is likely worth a quarter of a million
Not as important? Of course it was just as important like in any time period. Maybe you lament contemporary consumerism but money has always been important since mercantilism was the next big thing after bartering.
Good stuff stable, love the Great Train Robbery, been to the site, and Leatherslade Farm how do you upload videos to here though, I can only upload a 15 segment though I heard to join up meant longer but it takes a long time to load. Is there a fast upload programme on the net the compresses files? Thanks.
Loading takes no longer than down-loading. The load time depends on the size of the file. So a 10 minute size film may load in 120 seconds on middle grade equipment.
Mills had two days in hospital for a 6 million pounds robbery and they got 30 years - nowadays they stab you for a watch and don't even go to prison or even kill you for nothing and say they did not mean to and get out after 4 or 5 years max (helped by tricky lawyers) - its happening every week in the UK - interesting progress our justice and legal system has made. The irony is generally speaking people have far more now than they did back then, so what's the reason? It can only be tolerance to crime and making excuse for the criminals. I know thats not a fashionable thing to say these days. I guess its just one of those paradox - the more you give they they will want, it reminds me of that old saying "never give anyone anything, they will only ever hate you for it" - I guess thats why I like these old school criminals at least they were go-getters and took responsibility for their crimes.
I like the style how this document destroyed myths of The Great Train Robbery. It wasn't mastermind operation at all. Robbers made some serious blunders even on Bridego Bridge. Roy James got a point when criticizing whole idea of Leatherslade farm as hiding place. And on the other hand Scotland Yard and Tommy Butler made indeed some serious mistakes. Perhaps the most interesting part of saga is the role of whole London gangland and slimey "friends" sucking most of that money later. Bertold Brecht was right: bank robbery is nothing compared founding the bank. One got to be inside establishment.
In his days, the girlfriends still were supposed to remain in the kitchen or at the hairdresser, while the men went out for their daily job activities.... I think you're looking back with modern eyes to old days...
One of my good friends I met 20 yrs back is a (female) cousin of 2 of that team. She's the only one of the whole family who never got nabbed, no police record - and she's regaled me with very colourful stories of how she'd... do all sorts (she's still alive so no publicity). It sure wasn't about hairdresser a.s.o., even if she's always very smartly turned up and an excellent cook. Beware of superficialities, it's not the whole thing.
Did robbers ever even imagine what problems of hiding bank notes of 2.5 tons (or 3-4 m2)will bring them? If they really split that in 18 quotients it means every guy had to hide 140 kilos or some 200 litres cash somewhere. Not really an easy job to do it very short warning period. In fact they should have had other trusted organization for handle that money hiding and later laundering. In retrospect they really were amateurs in this tricky business.
200 litres is not too much of a problem as long as the Police are not looking at it at close proximity. Clearly it is more than a person can stash in his pockets or in two suit cases. But six suit cases should hold the lot. So it could fit in the boot or a car (as long as the Police are not looking at it at close proximity).
Great train robbers and those like krays etc were given sentences that were harsh. Compared to crooks etc like we see today. If crimes that they did were done today they would get lighter sentences
@TFArtemis Excuse but it's like calling the Soviet Union Russia. Not long ago a guy from the Midlands corrected me when I called him English enstead of British.
I said at the time the guard was used and not as bad as they made out. Main consensus by the general public was why haven't they got a box of matches in Scotland the robbers made bloody fools of the govt of the day. Marty Australia
I am always amazed at how good the spoken English was in that era.
Totally agree mate. Im a cockney but the way many people spoke in that era and earlier and even cockneys was lovely. When some, mostly younger people speak these days i dont even know what they are talking. Even 10 year old kids these days are all ''street'' nonsense. Although ive heard some older people talk like it and its ridiculous.
30 years ago and beyond you spoke like the area you come from. Scouser, brummie, cockney, west country etc etc. As i keep saying, i dont know what is happening to this country and how its happened so quick as well. Everything and all history is getting lost. Regional accents are sadly getting less and less.
People still speak in their local accents!!! It didn't stop 30 years ago lol.
who gives a fuck about that .
Thanks for uploading this I missed the first half of it when it aired back in 99 my life can move on now :-)
Lol better late than never Haha
Great quality programme from1999, the days when adverts came on at about 15 to 20 min intervals, before digital came along and adverts ruined viewing by coming on after 5 mins, then at 10 min intervals destroying the pleasure of commercial TV viewing completely. 10.20 UK
Ya wot? There were less ads in 1970! The 90s were for wimps!
Good point. Also, today, every documentary has the end credits and music - just when you are reflecting on what you''ve just enjoyed watching - instantly ruined by the channel's presenter going on about future programmes on the channel.
There's worse crimes in this day and people get alot less they stole paper that's it nowadays its computers and stuff I feel sorry for the gaurd pesos get less
No criminal master minds, just ordinary criminals, who each carried out different crimes.. They all balls of steel and gave no fux. Im unsure on them being accused of being the cause of Jim mills death, not nice what they did to him, maybe he got saucy and needed a clump to make him behave,
Different breed of criminal. When Ronnie Biggs had his stroke and wanted to return to the UK He phoned the yard and asked to speak to slipper. He was told slipper had retired, he explained he wanted to return to the UK and wanted slipper to meet him at the airport. He told them slipper had tried to extradite him from Brazil many times over the years and he thought it was only fair he should finally get his man.
Definitely oldskool crims indeed
The Era wen a handshake and a man's word meant something ❤❤❤I was born too l8. rare thing now trust a man's promise with a handshake nowadays
@ChopperHilter even though they were criminals, they had respect, that the police were just doing their job. Not like nowadays shooting them.
@@malcolmchadwick4047ye the armed robber was top of the tree back then. this was before the class's A drug dealers took there place
In those days yes they were criminal and certainly sometimes violent but they had strong morals and lived by a code. Definitely a more gentleman villain than the kids of today.
Ill never get tired watching anything about this train robbery. Im from South Africa, my. Late husband from the UK and he told me about this, fascinating!
Such an interesting program and the narrator has got such a good voice!
I'm not sure exactly what it is about his voice, but everything he touches turns to magic.
Just been told the voice is that of a bloke called Nigel Anthony. He always adds a wonderful atmosphere to documentaries.
@@Tampo-tiger I thought it could be the actor Nigel Anthony???
Even the robbers of yesteryear had more education and class than the celebs these days. As a society we have regressed beyond all recognition.
fair comment.
Never a truer word spoken Jack. Take care mate.
Agreed
That’s complete and utter BS. Stop trying to spread shit for thumbs up.
yep
Aesop said "We hang the petty thrives, but appoint the great ones to high office".
Hey it says thrive, not thieves. Your right, just letting you know about the auto correct mistake
Some thieves get 20 years in prison eating cheese off a radiator
I must stress, and I cannot stress this strongly enough, that the robbery involved no actual loss of train or trains.
I must stress, and I cannot stress this strongly enough, that your post does not involve the use of your one and only brain cell.
@@spamskanal It's from a famous Peter Cook comic sketch. ua-cam.com/video/MUrhdIxTJSA/v-deo.html
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@@spamskanal dickwad
@@spamskanal prick
Charlie wilson was my dads first cousin, i remember him coming round in a V8 rover when i was young.
Bull
Course he was lol
@@royharrison Not that im bothered if you believe me my surname is Radford and Norman was my Uncle mentioned here books.google.co.uk/books?id=aTetDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT315&lpg=PT315&dq=norman+radford+charlie+wilson&source=bl&ots=vgEwVH5-JT&sig=ACfU3U1k05HbtX0d222q82n3gNl7IVU-_A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiN35fG3brvAhVjt3EKHYOBDFcQ6AEwDXoECA8QAw#v=onepage&q=norman%20radford%20charlie%20wilson&f=false
I believe you as it would be a very random thing to claim if it were not true!
Completely believable to me, I walked through Streatham Cemetry at the bottom of Garrett Lane a few years ago to see if I could find Charlie’s grave, found it almost immediately, sadly it was a little overgrown, I took a few minutes to tidy it up, for no other reason than I had always had a romantic opinion of the Great Train Robbery visiting Bridego Bridge (fair walk from Cheddington station) a couple of years ago.
Nice to see a famous German TV mini series about the robbery (at 3:45 and later) in this fine documentary. It's legendary in Germany!
@MyMediaArchive Das Grosse Train Robbery, probably..........
Die Gentlemen bitten zur Kasse❤❤❤
Gordon Goody looks like the sort of well dressed chap you would meet at a cricket club , Lol :)
Nice ruse.
I wish I was walking past that telephone box at that time
and needed to make a quick phone call 😂 🇬🇧
"At 1:50 we will say 'August 1963' but the fashions were a bit dull then, so we will show some clips from the LATE 60s, nobody will notice!"
Back around the time my dad was working at Bedford power station.. He had an accident and had to be driven to the Luton and Dunstable hospital then on home to Kingsbury.. The tea boy on the job was the one who had to take him.. Turned out it was Roy James of the great train robbery gang.. My mum spoke to him thought he was a lovely bloke.. You never know who you'd be working with 😁
Being that I am on the other side of the pond , I really enjoyed the commercial breaks as well as the program.
i remember most of them from 21 years ago being british :)
I went to my aunts funeral a few years back, to my great surprise, there was Bruce Reynolds , paying his respects? Apparently my Aunt Rene had hidden Bruce for weeks and got him out of the country, after the robbery. He never forgot that kindness and Inside the cover of a book he wrote, is a picture of her.
She will have hidden him for freddie foreman then I expect as it was freddie that put him to ground and arranged passage out by all accounts
Wasn't Freddie foreman offered a part on the robbery? I'm sure I heard he knocked it back due to other jobs
Foreman admits to most things, anything to raise a few Bob.
Tell me her name so I can get her nicked as an accomplice to the crime after the fact.
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@@kimmason9935 Yeah Fred was offered a part on the robbery but he turned it down because the year before in 1962. his firm robbed £250.000. in Gold bars.
Jailing the robbers in 1964, Mr Justice Edmund Davies told them that "to deal with this case leniently would be a positively evil thing" and duly sent most of them down for 30 years. Yet the previous year the same judge had reduced the sentence on appeal of one Charles Connelly, who had been involved in a robbery in which a van driver in Mitcham, Surrey, was shot dead. Cutting his term from 15 to 10 years, Davies said: "The sentence was excessive." - The Guardian. Listening to them all complaining about the time they got, never thought twice about stealing a great deal of money and using up police time and a great deal of the public funds. This was a different age and there was some justice then but for a murderer to get away with 10 years was ridiculous then and is now.
Today in 2023 i would imagine everybody who took part in this film will be long gone and if anything you learn from the film is this ,if ever you commit a crime large or small do so on your own and never tell a soul .
`They aprecciate our silence, and thats good enough for me` spoken by a true gentleman.
Yes I loved that share class
RIP John Mills...never recovered....
R dids
hear hear , and david whitby too
Exaggeration
RIP Jack Mills too…..
A great documentary and the adverts are fun to watch to...
Thank you for this great video!
Interesting and informative. Excellent photography job making it easier for viewers to better understand what the orator was describing. Historians did a very good job presenting actual facts from fiction. Class A research project. Special thanks to the train robbers & flying squad for making this documentary possible!!! However I do condemn the thug who physically assaulted engineer mills.
Ronnie Biggs decided to return to the UK on a jet plane escorted by the police and was arrested in-flight.The jet plane landed at RAF Northolt and he was escorted to Belmarsh prison to serve the rest of the sentence.He suffered a stroke while in prison and he got released on compassionate grounds.
I remember some saying he'll serve about 3 or 4 and It'll probably be In an open prison, I said he'll serve more than that ,the way he made the UK Prison system a laugh for over 30 years Though I didn't think he'd be put In Belmarsh a Max security prison, and I think he served 8 ,But they were never going to be soft on him, he became a superstar and while he was never considered a big time robber he just was lucky or unlucky depending on your view to get a place on the train, over the next several decades many big time gangsters like Freddie Foreman would visit him, and Fred told him not to go home and that they wont be soft on you because you mugged off the Govt but I'd say Ronnie didn't want to die In Brazil, I used to say he'll return home if he's sick and he's going to die he'll come home and die in the UK
Very interesting. thanks for posting this ! Not sure about the ads. David Giniola's hair and Felix the cat. Having watched this, it does go some way to separate truth from fiction after having watched the BBC's two part drama The Great Train Robbery which was broadcast last month:
Nine more years later I can tell you that I enjoyed the ads too - real nostalgia. I was ten years old at the time of the robbery and remember it well.
really very interesting! thanks for the upload !
Thanks. That was well worth watching 👍
Jack Mills the Driver was hurt very badly and was never the same again. Violent men.
At the time the farm was 27 miles from the bridge. What it's moved since?
The bridge got a new job and relocated?
@@bradmiller2329 🤣🤣🤣
They found a short cut 😂
. . . forgot abt. David Ginola advertising his 'L'Oreal' perfect curly locks lol, thanks for the adverts ! ;-D
I wish Dan hadn't dared, if the above is all that's floating through the seeming vacuum of his 'mind'.
How well spoken the people were at 5.16 if you were to do the same again nowadays they would not sound so elegant!
No? So if you did the same to someone from the exact same location, they wouldn’t sound the same? Why is this?
@@jackgower3606 because they would sound like you do and not like he does.
@@basicdesign1 definitely wouldn’t sound like me I’m not from London. Just not sure why he thinks they would not sound the same? Very strange thing to say
That's a hell of a v neck on Gordons jumper
A cricket jumper I believe
I am honestly really shocked at the commenters saying how these were 'gentlemen' robbers. They were vicious thugs, with long histories of violence, who left two men traumatised for the rest of their lives, and still fail to take responsibility for those actions. When Biggs returned to England, not only did he do so in a private jet, but was also paid the equivalent of 4 years salary at the time for his story - all by a British newspaper. I for one think these men are repugnant criminals who basically got away with an appalling crime - the money was never found - and certainly shouldn't be hero-worshipped.
To be fair, most of them didn't actually get to enjoy any of the stolen cash because they were in prison and the people who were 'looking after it' for them, ripped them off and it was all gone by the time they got out. I reckon those people are the ones who benefited most from the appalling crime....stacks of cash and not even any risk of nicking it!
What an absolute superb robbery .what a total fuck up afterwards
It would all be good , but the guard never recovered from his injuries !
I remember this like it was only yesterday! It happened just one month before my 13th birthday and of course everyone was talking about it......I mean £2.5 million was a massive sum back then. It was interesting to hear from that Detective that even they thought the sentences extreme. Most people I knew all said the same. It was mainly because the money had been taken from the Post Office so a crime against 'the state' so the judge was determined to use them to send a message out to the proles.....don't mess with the state otherwise you'll get sent down for a very long time. It's ok if your name is Johnson though and you went to Eton!
My brothers wifes second cousins sister doesn't know anyone who took part in the robbery either.
My brothers wifes second cousins sister does !
Is anyone surprised that the police fitted a man up for a crime he didn't commit.
It would be worse than havin' the filth breathin' down your Gregory over a bit of fenced Tom!!!!
I hope when the cops found the "Anglia" they realised it was actually a Prefect.
'Mickey Keyole? Naw, he was a good bloke, ol' Mickey.' Those two villans are clearly liying.
Loved this story a good watch
A really true crime of the century. To bad they all didn't live happily ever after.
The train driver, 58-year-old Jack Mills, was bashed by the gang after they had entered the locomotive's cab from both sides and he tried to fight them off.
A very sad Story in the end but it will allways be fascinating to the public during what could go down as the Best Decade of most of our life’s, The swinging 60’s 😊
Did they ever find out who the Royal Mail Employee was who TOLD them which train to target
R.I.P Bruce Richard Reynolds, a true legend, gne but never forgotten xx
He was a bit of a dick actually. Breaking into people's houses and tieing them up, stealing their dosh and making a right mess.
The Train due to arrive at Platform 1. .Has been Delayed ,Due to Leafs on the line
hahaha Nice one Pat. I bet the septics that have commented here have missed the subtlety in that.
Leaves
Sceptics
@@paulgabolinscy2502 No, septic is the word Ì wanted to use and your need to correct me on what you percieve as a spelling mistake only enforces my comment on lost subtleties.
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Tea leaf = theif? lol
That's what one calls...Pure spite. Reissuing every stolen bank note at a greater cost than the money stolen. Only a Prime minister could come up with that mindless idea. Poor, Harold Wilson...He eventually, and completely, went of his trolley.
Great upload👍. bring back blackthorn ads!!👍
Saddest aspect to the story was the robbers being inside and their (formerly trusted) friends & family are using the loot as an inexhaustible bag of petty cash. That's gonna scrape your nads if you're doing porridge!
It would be worse than havin' the filth breathin' down your Gregory over a bit of fenced Tom!!!!
The biggest crime was the plastic surgeon that made Ronnie Biggs look like... Ronnie Biggs
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Warning- do not watch 'The Great Train Robbery The History Channel' Within minutes you realise it is factually incorrect. Maybe for this reason, comments are disabled on that video.
Are you saying that Ancient Aliens weren't responsible for the robbery?
@@Its-uu8ht no, only twats like you ..
@@wayneandrews9298 Whooosh!
Never got the one that got away..
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The advert with Burning spears " do you remember the days of slavery"
Why didn't they just simply put a match to the house as they left.
Because the police would be inquiring for witnesses in relation to an arson so any vehicles seen on the roads around the area at the time would be investigated meaning they could've potentially been nicked for something way smaller which would've - by simple logic - exposed the larger crime once they realised those caught in connection with a petty house fire all happened to be career criminals
Never understood that one myself. Last man out the door should have doused the gaff and put a match to it. Most of them would have been rounded up anyway but placing them there would have been a lot harder to prove in a court of law. Mind you, a few of them were well and truly fitted up so the ol bill might have found a way round it anyway. But I could never have put my trust in a dodgy brief cleaning up after me. No way.
Someone who worked at Brian Fields legal firm was supposed to burn it down but didn't do it and was never heard from again.
Been to the bridge where it happened
Me too in 2017 it has a strange atmosphere to it. You notice that ?
Police fitting people up? You're having a giraffe!
Incidentally they never nabbed the old duffer who was supposed to drive the train. I have a strong suspicion they knew who he was but they didn't want to nab him. They didn't want to nab him because he was a looked upon by Joe Public as a bumbling retiree who somehow deserved to get away with it. He did, but are you trying to tell me the government/establishment didn't know who he was? I bet you they did but it was politically convenient to let him slip the net. So as not to upset Joe Public.
Wow, im more interested in these old adverts. Nostalgia or what!
😂 somerfield!!!!
R.I.P buster edwards ❤️
The thing I noticed about the GTR and other big robberies is the robbery seems to be the simple part, but the aftermath is when it all goes wrong, 20 years later the security express robbery went smooth but the suspects then fly to Spain and have a picture taken which eventually brought them down.
These guys were well trained,they stayed on track, but unfortuneatly there was no light at the end of the tunnel !!
Nice one lol 😂
They were just no good at reading the signals coming from the police
With a 30 year stretch a piece , there wasn't much light at the end of the tunnel .
It seems the movie 'Buster' (1988) with Phil Collins starring got it very right. The details are spot on.....even the ol' man lighting his pipe! See the movie and also the making of 'Buster'.
Spot on.....apart from the attack on train driver.
@@thevillaaston7811 Even there I think they had it correct. He got a nasty hit on the head (which apparently was not supposed to happen). It shows the driver holding his head as he is shoved into the driver's seat. This after the old coot realizes he knows nothing of modern diesel engines. If not for the guy who squeals to Scotland Yard, they might have pulled this long shot off. I am impressed with both the director's concern for detail and Collins mostly spot-on acting. (not fond of his Mexican dinner scene, but it certainly highlight the 'fish out of water' aspect of the Buster character)
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When it came to the violence inflicted on the train driver, suddenly, the camera was outside of the locomotive cab.
However, the film makers portray the people involved, and what they did, it was still a crime.
@@thevillaaston7811 Robbing trains is a crime, but at least no one was killed.
it wasnt about brains,it was about guts
It was about robbery, thieving and cheating. Any one can be am underworld sneak thief as it just requires brawn but it takes intelligence to be honest and to know that honest guts are far better than bad guts.
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lol It was by the fourth advert that dick-head here, waiting patiently for the 'Skip Ads' button to appear, realised what was going on.
what was the real name of the driver who failed to drive the train?
Slipper of the yard was a tough man, those flying squad boys would give you a few digs when they lifted you
Just put it back on too watch adverts ..nowt on telly .
20:47…. Badly hurt….
22:06 couldn’t of been that hurt then if he was able to operate the train…
Ah your three year old could Hotwire a red light on a train track 😂 ok boss
Yes there are no free lunches unless
Your an MP a different kind of robber
Slipper looks like an old Martin Kemp.
Great Documentary!
Fascinating stuff
Whatever happened to David Boal, the son of William Boal?
At 27:35 Liverpool tea chest to the left of monopoly game at leatherslade Farm.
Years ago at a mate’s wedding in Stockport we met by chance Ronnie Biggs daughter and mad Frankie frazer I think they were doing some book deal anyway the sent a bottle of champagne to the bride n groom what a chance meeting
Ronnie Biggs had 3 sons with his first wife Charmaine ( sadly one was killed in a car accident here in Australia as a child ) and another son from his second marriage . No daughter m8 .
not biggs daughter it was wisbys .
That was a helluva lot of money when wages were about 5 a week if you were lucky 'in 1962 money was not the strong point of your life 'just imagine 2 million you could buy anything you wanted airplane Ferrari s anything 'there were hardly any millionaires in 1962 '40 pence would run your car all week you really can't imagine what that amount of money ment 'you would have been classed as super rich 'and maybe one of the most wealthy people in Britain 'whereas a couple of million means nothing today 'your house is likely worth a quarter of a million
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Not as important? Of course it was just as important like in any time period. Maybe you lament contemporary consumerism but money has always been important since mercantilism was the next big thing after bartering.
Good stuff stable, love the Great Train Robbery, been to the site, and Leatherslade Farm how do you upload videos to here though, I can only upload a 15 segment though I heard to join up meant longer but it takes a long time to load. Is there a fast upload programme on the net the compresses files? Thanks.
Loading takes no longer than down-loading. The load time depends on the size of the file. So a 10 minute size film may load in 120 seconds on middle grade equipment.
out off all of dem ,,bruce renolds had a boss life ,
Bruce's son is a member of the band Alabama 3 one of the tracks on their album is about Bruce I'm surprised you didn't use it as a soundtrack
Mills had two days in hospital for a 6 million pounds robbery and they got 30 years - nowadays they stab you for a watch and don't even go to prison or even kill you for nothing and say they did not mean to and get out after 4 or 5 years max (helped by tricky lawyers) - its happening every week in the UK - interesting progress our justice and legal system has made. The irony is generally speaking people have far more now than they did back then, so what's the reason? It can only be tolerance to crime and making excuse for the criminals. I know thats not a fashionable thing to say these days. I guess its just one of those paradox - the more you give they they will want, it reminds me of that old saying "never give anyone anything, they will only ever hate you for it" - I guess thats why I like these old school criminals at least they were go-getters and took responsibility for their crimes.
Where are the rest of this series episodes
"British Rail payed Twelve Pounds Sterling a Week Why play Hero Lizzie of London wouldn't give a Reward."
now we have KING PLUG THE 3RD
I like the style how this document destroyed myths of The Great Train Robbery. It wasn't mastermind operation at all. Robbers made some serious blunders even on Bridego Bridge. Roy James got a point when criticizing whole idea of Leatherslade farm as hiding place. And on the other hand Scotland Yard and Tommy Butler made indeed some serious mistakes. Perhaps the most interesting part of saga is the role of whole London gangland and slimey "friends" sucking most of that money later. Bertold Brecht was right: bank robbery is nothing compared founding the bank. One got to be inside establishment.
The first guy caught was the informant.
Wtf about all the ads
Would have liked to see this but can't hear it ???? Why do you do that??? Can always turn it down can't turn it up .... By ...
In his days, the girlfriends still were supposed to remain in the kitchen or at the hairdresser, while the men went out for their daily job activities.... I think you're looking back with modern eyes to old days...
One of my good friends I met 20 yrs back is a (female) cousin of 2 of that team. She's the only one of the whole family who never got nabbed, no police record - and she's regaled me with very colourful stories of how she'd... do all sorts (she's still alive so no publicity). It sure wasn't about hairdresser a.s.o., even if she's always very smartly turned up and an excellent cook. Beware of superficialities, it's not the whole thing.
How the worlds changed ....now its TFL doing the great train robbery 😂
Did robbers ever even imagine what problems of hiding bank notes of 2.5 tons (or 3-4 m2)will bring them? If they really split that in 18 quotients it means every guy had to hide 140 kilos or some 200 litres cash somewhere. Not really an easy job to do it very short warning period. In fact they should have had other trusted organization for handle that money hiding and later laundering. In retrospect they really were amateurs in this tricky business.
200 litres is not too much of a problem as long as the Police are not looking at it at close proximity. Clearly it is more than a person can stash in his pockets or in two suit cases. But six suit cases should hold the lot. So it could fit in the boot or a car (as long as the Police are not looking at it at close proximity).
There is an AD for British Rail inside this film, I
Great train robbers and those like krays etc were given sentences that were harsh. Compared to crooks etc like we see today. If crimes that they did were done today they would get lighter sentences
@TFArtemis Excuse but it's like calling the Soviet Union Russia. Not long ago a guy from the Midlands corrected me when I called him English enstead of British.
Within 12 hours Scotland yard knew the names of all 12 robbers!
I said at the time the guard was used and not as bad as they made out. Main consensus by the general public was why haven't they got a box of matches in Scotland the robbers made bloody fools of the govt of the day. Marty Australia
That is proof that there is some thick people in this world when they don't realise you are joking 😀
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