Confused and redundant. We don't care about the replicant resistance and we barely care for Stelline, and are ambivalent towards the tight lipped Deckard. The four characters we do care about, or have an interest in are Joshi, Joi, Luv and K and they all die or are mostly dead. I would have preferred to see K go way off book and hunt down and retire Wallace. That would have been satisfying.
I think deckerds daughter had implanted a lot more memories than we realize and I say this because at the very end you see her playing with falling snow which made me believe that maybe a lot if what jo's character could have been more false memories ,
That's just too convenient. That means that Stelline accidentally set up: 1) That the date on the tree would trigger K 2) That the memory was so exact, K could recover the horse from exactly where she remembered it (is there any memory from your childhood that could be so accurate?) 3) That this memory pertained to a piece of irradiated wood that could be used to track Deckard (a father she never met, nor knew the location of) to Las Vegas 4) That this memory could correctly be used to identify her relation to Deckard All by co-incidence?
so...the resistance leader says that "many had imagined they were the child", so has the daughter implanted that memory in many replicants or is it to represent the replicants universally held desire to be ascendent to all that they have been taught to believe? what if the resistance leader is remembering wrongly? could she have a memory of being present at the birth? or is that way too convoluted? 😎😍
Everyone misses the irony of the ending: In the end, the reproduced K was the one, who had a real life, whereas his "original" sister only had a reproduced life. K felt real bees and real snowflakes, whereas his sister only feels reproduced insects and snowflakes. It doesn't matter what your origin is, living defines life.
Which is funny because it was made to be pretty obvious, especially at the very end, with the girl modelling snow while K is outside dying with the real thing around him. Don't see how anyone could miss that.
Me and my podcasting buddies saw it and immediately went into an in-depth cast for over an hour on the film - and we totally missed this irony, good catch!
Not only K, it is irony that the dreammaker literally makes memories (aka life) for replicants but cant fully live life herself. And freyza also said 'we all hoped to be the child', which probably meant the other rebels could also have the same memory
K was truly a tragic character. A slave used to kill his own kind and follow orders. BUT K redeems himself in the end by doing something very human and risking his own life for a man to see his daughter. He took life into his own hands and *lived*. Beautiful story
@@alansolorzano330 it should be 2084 and released 2052 bc blade runner came out in 82 and blade runner 2049 came out 35 years later in 2017 so the next release would be 2052 and set in 2084
Saddest death in the movie for me was JOI. Although it could be argued she was just doing what she was bought for, she was real to K, as he said. She was the only entity in the movie that showed any caring, and love as she tried to say, for K.
I think the point where she has K break the antena shows she is working outside her base programing. She was becoming more than what she was made to do. The scene where he looks up at the Joi billboard seem to say to me he was thinking, "Even if I get another, it wouldn't be her." Same way Deckard looked that the replicant of Rachel with the wrong color eyes. Even getting another one, it wouldn't be her.
Jois last moment was to be treated as human. When he tried to stop Luv from kicking Ks head in. Joi ackowledges her and just before she smashes her transponder(?) she asks: ” Are you satisfied with our product? ”
+Looper This was one of the most introspective experiences I ever had in a movie session. In the end, all the people in the theater, in absolute silence, digesting the emotional load of what they just watched and experienced. They stood in their seats for a few minutes, quiet, and left in complete silence. Very impressive, and unique.
Just watched it, and yes, we are going to be thinking about this for another 30 years. My take: If you create something to imitate life, then expect it to do exactly that. Frankenstein was the first, and you can even throw in Avatar too, if you take on the form and live the life you will become that lifeform. I did like the showing of the Earth and the ruin it has become. Blade Runner 2047 is a very cautionary tale.
Yes Rick. I agree. And this same cat directed "Arrival", another intellectual sci-fi film. Me likes what I am seeing from him. And his other non "sci-fi" stuff is on point too. "Prisoners" anyone!
my favorite line from the film is when Wallace states “Pain reminds you the joy you felt was real.” Not only does the pain K feel throughout the film, signify that he himself is innately “human”, because he’s lived and felt a human experience, but it also reinforces the fact that the love he felt for Joi was real, making her death ever more heartbreaking and real to the audience. A breathtaking film on so many levels.
K/Joe didn’t want to be just “another replicant”; similar to Roy Batty, he wanted to be something more. So it was devastating to see K learn he wasn’t the child of Rick. But reflecting on the events that happened throughout the movie, Joe did the most human thing to do, and saved Rick to help him reunite with his child. At the conclusion of the movie, Joe ended up becoming a lot more than just “another replicant”. Despite being a replicant, Joe proved he was more human than a lot of humans, and that’s why I love his arc and his character. It’s just so deep and poetic :)
It is poetic but so sad to see a character go through the amount of tragedy by losing everything “joi” based on a whim of being born not made because it meant more to them just for it to be not true hurts a lot it an amazing movie honestly
@@freddiehernandez9921 my expectations coming into this movie were extremely high (because I heard it was so good) and yet I was still blown away! 10/10
I watched the film again tonight... Every time I watch it, I am blown away... One of the best Science Fiction films ever made... Beautifully filmed and acted... Denis Villeneuve created an incredible homage to the original... This is what film making is supposed to be... As time goes on, it will become a greater classic, than it already is... Simply amazing!!
1) There was no real decoy, it was purely on paper. K/Joe is utterly, completely, unequivocally unremarkable. Thus his name - Joe, as in an Average Joe. 2) Joi does not possess a soul, she is completely fake. She is the other side of the replicant coin and is made solely to please and coddle her owner/lover. The giant pink Joi on the bridge calls K Joe as well, and her entire branding scheme is that she'll be anything you want. K wanted to feel special, so his Joi always reinforced this to him, but it was never real. Joi is K's fleeting dream of being special, and once her emanator is destroyed, K learns he is not special. 3) Wallace posed a question about whether Deckard was moved by love or programming, to me there's no doubt whatsoever Deckard is fully human. The original movie is about a bad man finding his humanity through the grace of a machine. Wallace's question is not a literal "Are you human or robot?" question, but pondering what the difference is, if love is just a chemical, and if we are products of biological programming or something higher like a soul. The ultimate takeaway is that it does not matter, in fact the only thing that matters is what we choose to do with our lives. 4) In summary, 2049 is about dreams and delusions. K wants desperately to be special, Joi tells him this constantly, and he instantly assumes all the evidence points to him because it's his dream. He becomes deluded and forces himself into the situation even as it destroys him. He thinks this is what it means to be human, to grapple with one's humanity. He is torn between two sides telling him what his identity is and should be - the LAPD who informs his identity as that of a slave, and the resistance which informs his identity as that of a free replicant. When his delusion is shattered by meeting the pink Joi, he chooses to follow his own path and not let anyone tell him who he is or what he should do. He makes the most human decision and takes his life into his own hands. He saves Deckard for the same reason Roy did. He wanted someone to remember him, for his final decision that fully validates him as human to not be in vain. No one else gave him his identity, only he did, and his sacrifice ensured forever that he was by every metric a human being, even if the world would ultimately forget him.
zombinedotrar EXACTLY! I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SAY THIS TO OTHER PEOPLE FOR AGES, THANK YOU FOR SUMMING IT UP IN A SINGLE COMMENT! I'm gonna be copying and pasting this elsewhere.
Huh? I thought the whole point of the twist was that K is NOT special. He's just one of many other replicants. The "part of the puzzle" was the male birth record itself, meant to mislead the possible investigation. It wasn't any particular person. However, when designing implanted memories for replicants, Stelline has inserted bits of her real memories here and there, and that's what K's orphanage memory was. In fact, Freysa points out something along the lines of "You thought it was you? We all wish it was us." and that Stelline's own bits of memories feel the most real, implying that many of the replicants have some bits of Stelline's memories.
What Freysa said to K confuses the plot too much. In a replicant freedom movement with hundreds, maybe thousands of replicants, many of them being older than Stelline, how could they all have the memory of the wooden horse implanted? Or was it implanted only in a select few? Remember the hooker who checked the wooden horse out in K apartment. She has the memory too.
TheFlak36 I don’t think this is accurate at all.... I think she was just interested in the horse because it was made from a tree. Which she had never seen before.
@@vegangurly Something apparently so scarce that a guy told K he was rich because of it or something like that. I always thought she liked the horse and that's it. Yes it could also mean that she had the memories implanted but it's very ambiguous. The "We all wish it was us" is also ambiguous it could mean that they all had the memories or they all wanted to be the special replicant that was born. She could've meant that they all wanted to be special and they all wanted to be born but doesn't exclude K from being the decoy
The ad for Joi was always “Saying things you wanna hear” or sth like that, which mean whatever Joi said or “feel” are all K’s. That is brilliant to realize it in the end.
"We were being hunted" could've just meant the group he was with. He was never as strong as any of the replicants he fights. Seems pretty straight forward that he isn't a replicant.
I think they were just being silly in saying that - and I HOPE that you're right that nobody ever thinks otherwise! Maybe in the end this sequel made enough so that a third installment of the series has a chance someday - but that it didn't make too much to get the attention of big-budget hollywood and some poo-brain director....
If in 30 years, they have a writer, director, and cinematographer that can recapture the essence of Blade Runner, *and* have a story worthy of telling in that universe, then I might be glad if they make a sequel. I really do not want them to make a new movie any sooner than that, or with the wrong people making it.
As someone who loved this film, I really hope they don't do a sequel. Leave it as it is, it's perfect already. Yeah, this is a 30 year old sequel to the original the story is fantastic, and making more films would ruin it. Leave the bittersweet ending as it is.
You probably said the same for this movie as well, and look how 2049 turned out. The ending for 2019 was perfect, and 2049 didn't ruin it. If a 3rd movie is made, and if the fulmmakers are wise, they'll craft a story that won't compromise the two previous masterpieces. 2019 is my favorite movie ever. 2049 isn't far behind. I'd welcome at least one more.
By far the best scene is when K says, “All the best memories are her’s.” Then Deckard asks, “why?”- only to get a reply of, “Go meet your daughter.” Then K proceeds to the stairs where he lies down and looks at the snow falling and touches the snowflakes as they fall and as he slowly dies. Should’ve ended there.
I think the fact she is feeling snow as they go is ironic as he says 'all the best memories are hers'. He is the one in the real snow even though he is replicant
You missed the nuances of the scene. When Joe hands the little wooden horse to Deckard and says all the best memories are hers. Deckard doesn't just say why... You're implying that Deckard is asking Joe, why are the best memories hers. Deckard is actually asking "Why? What am I to you"? The why is him curious to know why Joe would risk his life like that to help a complete stranger. He only says "why" but the rest of the question is implied. Why...did you help me? Then he already began to realise that Joe might be the kid with the implanted memories, then he follows the why with "what am I to you" He's basically saying, do you think that you're the child and I'm your father? Joe also realised that Deckard now knows that he's not the child, yet he's still asking him if he thought that he is his dad. He could have replied with "you're my father" but he knows that he's just the decoy with implanted memories and Deckard also knows that he's the Decoy who thought he was the child, so he resigns to that fact and finally accepts the truth and says "go meet your daughter." What's in between the lines here is... I know that you know, I thought you were my dad, but don't worry about me. I'm not even real. I'm a nobody with fake memories. Go meet your real daughter. Last scene, his thoughts... I can finally have some peace. It doesn't matter if I just lay down here and die because my life wasn't real anyway. At least I did one good thing with it before I die.
@@the_releaser holy shit man, this is the best explanation I’ve ever read. I don’t think that k is the kid either. Some people debate that but I think that part should be taken at face value. He just wanted it be human and he saw his chance as becoming the child, but he actually wasn’t. But he got his wish of being human by doing something important with his life and sacrificing it. He looses everything but gained a humanity in a sense. Absolutely amazing movie.
See, I thought the giant purple "Joy" was meant to be re-assuring to K. That she was still with him in some way and believed in what he was doing. She called him "A good Joe" As in, a good person.
I thought it was supposed to let K realize that nothing he had was real or human and the only thing that can make him human is up to him or something like that
@@sci-figameguy8241 That is a fair interpretation as well. But since she acted so different from his original lover, I think it affirmed that AI can have unique personalities
There are 3 other official short films released prior to Blade Runner 2049 that depict events that occur before the cinematic film. One is an anime regarding how the "blackout" happened. The next details how the synths became legal again. And the last shows you a bit of background on the protein farmer. These were used to inform the production of the film.
TheRubberStudiosASMR Movie is good, expertly crafted, but kinda boring at times. It also screams "fabricated plot that would never happen in real life". The female villain is a bit cartoonishly evil at times. And finally, Harrison Ford's wooden acting doesn't help this movie at all. He was such a convincing actor when he was younger, wtf happened to him?
K's travel to discover humanity is what I loved the most about this film. I think this is something what Stanley Kubrick wanted to do in his AI film (but died to soon) and Steven Spielberg tried to do in Artificial Intelligence(2001). Blade Runner 2049 is masterpiece and probably my favorite film about AI ever. Everyone go see it!
Well i just saw it as a true lover for sci-fi movies but this one was so disappointing.. It brought so many beautiful emotions and sounds with a unique kind of vibe to it leading the audience to a mystery but the plot turned out to be simple and boring.
but if you think about it...Joi only say what K want to hear, do what K want to see, the whole "i coming with you" thing is just what K want in his head, not Joi.
This film was phenomenal in every way. A detail I really liked is when K realises he's about to die, he calmly lies down and accepts it. In the background you can faintly hear the same theme that plays in the background in the first Blade Runner when Roy knows he's about to die and says to Deckard "time to die."
Deckard said "they" were being hunted in the sense that he was in hiding with a replicant, not that he was one. Wallace, who wasn't even chronologically on the scene when Deckard met Rachel, can't possibly have arranged their meeting and had no idea that a replicant could spawn a child anyway. That's why he was so keen on finding the child and saying that Tyrell had pulled one over on him. More, Deckard had been around for some time before Tyrell Corp. got the technology to implant memories in replicants, so Deckard's memories can't have been fake. Given the open bias against "skinjobs" in BR 2049, it's hard to believe that Deckard would not have been equally denigrated, yet he wasn't. The evidence that Deckard was human is overwhelming.
I also still don't quite understand why they'd be hunted, given that Rachel is not a rogue, "off-world" replicant, and she's not apparently deadly or superstrong like most of them, as far as we know, so not a threat. Although, she blows away Leon to save Deckard in the first film, quite professionally and effortlessly, and with no emotion. So, there's that. And her lifespan is unknown.
Yes, to think that the 2019 world (where you heard Bryant freely use that word) would never see Deckard called that even though K is called that repeatedly, with graffiti on his door with the same language, stretches incredulity. In order for Deckard to be a replicant, he would also have to have memories implanted of retirement to the point where he has serious PTSD. He is human.
I think that was on purpose. Joi was built (cast) to be a "dream woman" complete with super beauty baby face, huge eyes, full lips, sensual movement etc. Also she was submissive throughout the movie. I think that was made to underline how programmed she was and her advertising even says the same stuff to him she did, that he thought was her genuine thought. That's why he was so hit when the advertising bent down to him and said "you are a special joe". Joi to me was an example of the question: Is it not enough to genuinely feel what you are is real to be human? Because she didn't trick him, lie to him that she loved him. She was programmed to feel, think, do and say what she did. But she did it genuinely and she herself FELT it as real as she could in the moment she did it. Doesn't that make it "real" enough? How are any of our emotions more real? The only real difference is that "our programming" had more factors and seems more random, therefore no one of us will act the same way, while her programming can be replicated 100% perfection and produce a person that will genuinely feel and act exactly the same way. If we could take two humans and have them live exactly the same lives 100% they would - according to modern research we are basically crazy fast and complex touring machines - turn out just like the copies of Joi.
I don't think Joi was acting submissively nor strictly according to programming. She took it upon herself to hire the replicant hooker spy, and unlocked the door for her and later kicked her out....that shows initiative. She also kept forcing the name Joe on K, even though he didn't like it. When Joi asked K to delete her off the home console, that couldn't be according to default programming. Furthermore, the biggest give away is Joi instructing K to take the antenna out of the mobile device and break it. To me that says she's grown past her programming, sort of like how K has grown past his when he somewhat starts lying to his boss. Anyways going back to the main topic, yeah Joi's definitely more my type, but there was something about Luv as well. Physical attractiveness aside (I found both attractive), Luv seemed to have some sort of tragicness to her. It seems like her boss have caused her to have some sort of complex or trauma through his misdeeds which causes her to be cruel. It's bizarre because there's something about her which makes me want to feel for her and want to like her, but she just keeps brutally killing people when she probably could have just incapacitated them. It was pretty brutal when Luv crushed Joi though. Although now thinking about it, Luv might have not known the mobile device was her only remaining copy and there was no backups. Luv did leave K alive (for dead?) after he blew away three of her guys. Minus the killing, I don't think she's actually "that bad"....least not nearly as bad as her boss.
TheDaybid No it didnt, the rain was coming through her body but some kind of sensors detected the rain and made the hologram to depict rain on her skin, it was just a special effect
i dont want them to ever finnish make a 4th and a 5th movie and a 6ths just like star wars lol also for them to go more in depth about the manurfraction process and what the factories look like. and to see more of the giant city, blade runner only shows the one the one city besides the old destroyed part of it. but every major city on earth is like this city maybe they could go venture off into some of the other cities. too.
I think some ppl are missing the point about what is "real" or isn't, when discussing K and Joi or their relationship. The very nature of these movies is to blur that line between replicant and human; fate and chance; programming or free will. To get wrapped up in these is to be like the cop captain, where existence HAS to be divided by a metaphorical wall or she doesn't know what that would mean for her own humanity. The truth is actually riding that line, and it's interesting how the symbol and literal location of the Wall shows up in key moments of the film. The whole crux of the first film is "what does it mean to be human?" and we discover it is not about genetics or how you were created, but in what ways do you grapple with and respond to your existence. In that way these replicants are no less human, given their existential struggles are no different. We can say K is not "real" in that his memories are not uniquely his own, yet the things he struggles with throughout the film indicate a very human journey, continually "off baseline" in his emotional responses as the film progresses. He is looking for meaning and wishes to be "special" though the world promises he won't be and treats him like shit. In spite of that, he longs for more than his current lot in life and fantasizes about a great destiny. He ends up being (almost) exactly what the world would have him be - a worthless replicant of no importance - but by claiming his identity and committing a truly selfless act, he transcends himself and the world that would box him in.
I have this idea that what we do and live stays registered in our DNA. We pass to our children a better or the worst DNA based also on what we have lived until that point.
That's the great thing about visual story telling. Without explicitly saying something there is so much room for interpretation. Because when he lies in the snow and he "gives in" to what's to come he doesn't show a negative emotion. He fully concentrates on the moment of the snowflake, the falling, he leans back. He goes into oblivion living that moment because he realized that's all it ever was and ever can be. A series of moments to be cherished until they are no longer. In a way a similar ending to Blade Runner from the '80s where the struggling replicant fighting for his life gives in, stops the fighting, cherishes the last moments of raindrops on his face until he is no more.
Deckard isn't as strong and resistant as all other replicants. Both in the original and 2049, Deckard is shown as much more physically weak than a replicant. What's more, his daughter has basically no immune system, basically making her actually subhuman. Meaning she was born "unnaturally". I can't believe people are debating it. Deckard is clearly human.
The memory was implanted in loads of replicants. He just happened to be the only one ever in the position to find the horse. The memory implant was meant to inspire rebellion in replicants, and it was even more effective because it was based on a real memory. You got that wrong.
No, as explained by Ana it was illegal to implant real memories. Only manufactured memories could be implanted, and those had to be "good" memories so that replicants had a positive baseline.
yup, and remember the replicant hooker was fascinated with the wooden horse when she spotted it on Ks bedside table. She picked it up and said something like "this is from the dream..." Loads of replicants were carrying this same highly emotive dream, engineered by Deckards daughter, (illegally) from a real memory of her own.
The greatest tragedy in this film was the fact that Joi had her own mind and genuinely loved K, but in the end K couldn't accept her love was genuine because she was programmed to as an AI and dismissed her as a "person" altogether. Joi existed even when K was not there, she was visibly distressed when K was injured and unconscious in the car crash, and was willing to risk her own life in order to not put K in danger, but K more or less took her love for granted during the movie and in the end rejected her as ever having been alive because she is an AI, artificial. And so rejects himself after realising that he was not "special". "To be born is to have a soul." Humans despised replicants. But the replicants could not value and accept themselves as they are. It was ultimately immensely silly why the replicants needed the "miracle", in order to feel self-worth and feel like they are more than human? It changes nothing practically. And the replicant hooker derides Joi for not having a physical body just like the humans calling replicants skinjobs, based on a prejudice for the "artificial".
joi did not have her own mind, she is programmed to worry and care, specially when her owner is having a hard time, not needing him to be conscious, just for her device to be on, i could even blame her for the big disappointed joe felt for not being the special kid with a soul she kept saying he was. And also, how do you want replicants to feel self worth without that miracle? they GREW to become humans, it took a lot of experiences and pain and battle, it took death and birth, its against their "genes" to have self worth
Phillip K Dick was quite clear that in the book Deckard was human. The theme of the book was Deckard losing his humanity by killing the replicants. My take on the movie is that Deckard is human and the game changer is humans and replicates can produce offspring - so the girl is a hybrid. K at first thinks he is the child after finding the horse and showing his memory is a real memory. When he is told that the child was a girl, he realises it was the bubble girl and that is why she was so upset - she was seeing her own experience. By then K has evolved - become human in a way, which is why he saves Deckard. He dies at the end, I almost thought they were going to repeat Roy Batty's words - time to die.
Adrienne Kohler - Scott took many liberties with the book so Declare could be a replicant in his movie. Despite the fact that it is stupid. - As you said the point was to question the difference between humans and replicants in various perspectives, which is wasted for the thrill of cheap "everybody's a replicant lol" twist.
random_name Agreed. PKD's exact quote was "I would like to have him metaphorically be a replicant because that shows that any one of us could be dehumanised in the effort of fighting evil."
Adrienne Kohler Excellent explanation and I agree entirely. It was a great sequel, much better than I expected. For god's sake no more after 2049...leave it now lads...leave it.
I must agree with Adrienne. This to me is also an allegory not only about "artificial" life, but also about "slavery". When people were told that the races could not mix. The original Blade Runner is one of my favorite movies of all time. I was pleasantly surprised here too as 2049 was a worthy follow-up! Well done.
Absolutely love the Joi story... It was the most touching and also the deepest part of the movie. The part about whether her feelings are real, as she doesn't have a real body. And then to make it even more complicated, her lover isn't a "real human" either, so are his feelings for her then real? I didn't see that coming when Joi turned up the first time in the movie. It's something that grows on you and messes with your mind :)
seems like you are still not in agreement with public opinion for finding this movie amazing, based on box-office sales at least. personally, I like that it did poorly at the box-office. it made it easy to watch in the theaters and also saved the franchise from becoming the next sci-fi cash-grab target for predatory studios.
"...and can you offer me proof of you're existence how can you when neither modern science nor philosophy can explain what life is" Ghost in the Shell (1995)
Cinephilia Embodied the first movie had no explosion and the second one only one. You honestly think that's enough? Bay would give the movie the spice it clearly needs
This film had the same ending as Drive! Ryan Gosling sacrificing himself for people who weren't his responsibility to begin with! Thus making him A Real Hero and A Real Human Being! Lol They should've played that song at the end, I mean that's what the movie is about anyways! Let's start a petition for Nicolas Winding Refn to direct the next one with a new Ryan Gosling replicant! :D
THey need to leave this alone now. If they continue to make sequel after sequel, they will just end up cheapening and destroying the whole franchise. We had the 1st and then 35 years later we had the followup. Leave it alone now.
Canundrum Sixnine yeah I hope they don't do another sequel to blade runner, but knowing Hollywood and their schemes they're gonna do it regardless, which is sad.
Canundrum Sixnine Lord Of The Rings Dark Knight Trilogy. Both examples of how a trilogy can be very successful if in the hands of smart producers and Director. Blade runner can do just that.
Who else teared up during this ending? When the “Tears in the rain” music came on, it really hit me emotionally. That combined with the bitter sweet ending too... it was just really emotionally powerful
........In the book: the original Deckard was human. As he hunts, Deckard's emotions become more machine and the replicants become more human. Th maine question of the film and the book is: What is humanity?
@@trexx0706 They're not robots. They're replicants - genetically engineered beings. "More human than human," remember? It was all explained in the intro of the first movie. They DO age! But with a four year life span you don't really notice.
I don't know how anybody can be surprised by this, movies like these never "perform well" because they aren't watered down to cater to the lowest common denominator. A sad fact of life, but hey, at least those of us who enjoy intelligent movies got a real treat.
A movie that gives its audience the benefit of intelligence, doesn't spoon feed you information, doesn't have rapid fire editing, and makes you think as you leave the theatre.
Deckards daughter tells K that a real memory is apparent vs a fake one because it has emotions associated with it. We see Ryans face emoting as he recalls in front of her, and he has a huge burst of anger afterward. I think there is more to be interpreted here. HE could also be a born replicant. Yes I know its implied he was a decoy but there is a lot of things left for us to ponder here.
Xyos212 when she says the memory is real it means that they implanted the memory of the human that experienced that event, not that K actually lived it. It's just like the first one where they implant the memories of Tyrell's niece on Rachel
what this is meant to do is narrow the gap between humans and replicants, just like the questions posed to Deckard, we are not meant to ask, "Are they really who they say they are?" We are meant to ask "What's the difference anyway?"
I agree that Denis positioned everything to be very obscure. Even though it suggested things and furthered them. It reserved ever committing. In a masterful way that I think is similar and almost superior to the original.
I agree. A lot of things don't add up with the decoy theory. K is obviously offspring or nexus 8. He has a conscious and free will, something the newer models don't have clearly. If he was born at the same time as Anna how can they share the same memories. Was K reprogrammed at one point or is he a modified clone of Anna and is more of a back up rather than a Decoy?
If K has a serial number in his eye then he is either Nexus 8 or the new more compliant model. If he has no serial number, and somehow works for the LAPD...? Then he could be born, but there would be a whole life's paper trail that he could follow as he is a speed-reading detective yet cannot even detect his own adolescence.
I think they should continue making more Blade Runner films, but keep the answers to questions that keep arising in each film equally as ambiguous as they have been in the past films. This film was just wonderful, the visuals were gorgeous too, which is also why I want another one :)
@Cyrus McWind I didn't get anything either (I still really enjoyed and loved the movie) I just don't want to give the effort into rewatching it over and over, that's why I'm watching these videos to help me, same with this guy probably, chill, we are all here for the same reason.
Felt so sad when he says "all the best memories are hers". Indeed what they initially had are from her, but everything since "birth" belong to each individual. Good or bad it's life, and I think feeling alive is the best memory for any existence.
Great commentary to provide a base of understanding for the movie....watch the first one first, then relax and watch the second and the special effects in 3D
"If this latest sequel performs well, which its reviews indicates it will" Actually wanted to cry because i loved this move but i believe it only barely broke even :'(
I've never been a fan of big budget film - but I thought this was a beautifully perceived piece of art with a deeply engrossing, provocative and interesting story. I found the film to be a touching tribute to the power of faith and love
I loved this movie. The scene when K meets the giant hologram of Joi, and then sees the slogan "Everything you want to see, Everything you want to hear." And he has a realization that she had just been acting towards him the way he wanted her to, and telling him he was special was actually just because he wanted to be special. I don't particularly care for Ryan Gosling, but man that scene was perfect, and gosling nailed it. And I'm also glad that Harrison Ford didn't talk them into killing this character off, too.
Dominic Humans have eternal souls; machines don't no matter how human like they seem to be. It's a film, it's imaginary but even in the Blade Runner "Black Out 2022" anime short (awesome by the way) Iggy said "No heaven or hell for us, this world is all we've got." The films have fun blurring the lines but in the end even Roy had to accept the fact that he was just a machine. A really advanced replicant yes, but also simply a machine. Officer K knew this too & was satisfied to take meaningful actions. Both Roy & K ended up helping & having impact on a human life which they found to be meaningful before they expired.
A big part of the film was that you are what you believe. The Baseline tests were to make sure the replicants (Bladerunners anyway) weren't starting to throw off their slave brainwashing and realize their full humanity (Individuation). Which of course Joe/K did at the end when he started to experience emotions and free will. So when the guy driving the truck in the short (Blackout whatever year it was) said they don't go to heaven, it was just his own belief, just as every post on this thread is someone's belief. How can anybody know what happens after death? Plus, replicants are not machines, they're synthetic humans. Wasn't there a scene in the 1st film where it was mentioned that 3 hours into an autopsy they still couldn't tell if it was human or replicant? So they're entirely biological and indistinguishable from humans. In fact, seeing as Joe reached full humanity at the end of the film, aren't they human in every regard?
K being a decoy for the girl was signposted fairly early on and confirmed by the memory reveal. It was fairly straightforward. The Deckard question was left ambiguous. In one scene, we see Deckard avoid running through a wall that K bursts through, suggesting that this is beyond Deckard's abilities. However, earlier in the film he more than held his own in a fistfight with K. So it's still anyone's guess, which is exactly as it should be. All that is fairly boring surface level stuff. PKD was concerned with what makes a person human and soulful. 2049 has a partial answer - memories and the way they shape us. By showing how JOI goes from being a simplistic pleasure model to a loyal, loving companion who is curious about the world and eager to experience it, 2049 seems to be suggesting that it is possible to escape the 'programming' of one's personality via new experiences and the memories they create. It lays this whole idea out explicitly in the scenes where K visits Deckard's offspring. Joi's journey and that of K's are in stark contrast to Wallace and Love, who do not learn or grow - they merely become more refined versions of themselves. Wallace shaped by his narcissism, Love by her fear and desire to viewed as the best. Takeaway - If we don't grow and we don't change from experiences, then we're not fully human.
Retrosta I agree except with Deckard holding his own against K in a fist fight. K deliberately didn’t fight Deckard and made it clear he didn’t want to hurt him. There is no way Deckard could do the things K could do, and it was pretty obvious Deckard was outclassed in terms of combat against K.
I wouldn’t say Deckard held his own at all. He chased down K with a gun for the first half of the fight, the second half K was literally giving free shots to a Deckard who was nailing him with punch after punch and K was not even affected at all
In a world full of spiderman, batman, fast and fury and predictable remakes, the Blade Runner movies have been thought provoking, original and uniquely refreshing. This is what many want to see...creativity in music, visual effects and script writing. Let's hope there's a third Blade Runner.
Kay having that memory doesn't mean he was the decoy, it means that Deckard's daughter wrote that memory and it happened to be in him when he was programmed/created IMO.
I think between the content of this video and the excellent comments we've collectively sussed 2049. But that's not a bad thing; films that are this deep without being pretentious are the best kind of movie because they spark debate. I know the ending almost feels like a set up for a sequel but I doubt they'll do one... but if they do they must bring the same team back to do it to keep some kind of aesthetic continuity.
Honestly I luv the film.. but the lapd was infiltrated twice and both had a ranking officer die, with the same assassin.. that place looks really safe, lol
The “we were being hunted” doesn’t hint at him being a replicant. Anyone protecting their lover or partner would include themselves in the “we” in the that situation. That is also compounded by the plot twist of becoming a family with the pregnancy, a very big “WE.” He was also protecting a replicant which made him no longer a Bladerunner and there for one of the “little people.”
Spoiler question: Don't read further if you haven't seen the movie. Did K die at the end? I didn't quite get it . He lays down and closes his eyes. But did he die?
I think the implication is yes, he did in fact die. Can they bring one back just like him or revive him? Thats what I'd like to know, seeing as how Wallace would probably like to know what he knows.
I think they wanted to make it subtle, perhaps even ambiguous. Not only to make the audience create their own opinions, but in case they want to make another film and don't know if they want K to return or not
David Pagan - it's the Blade runner way: you keep things "ambiguous" so people can debate for the next 30 years whether he died or if he was taking a nap. There's a guy making a sheep origami at some point so if Ridley remakes it inserting sheep footage we'll have a definite answer. /s
I don't think that he die. When he touch his wound,there wasn't blood on his hand,indicating that his wounds are ok,I think he just lay down to take a rest or something
Yep,it's all about self-awareness and emotions... We always asked if Deckard is a replicant,however,the book which this movie was based on has a question that has yet to be answered: Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
How I interpreted 2049 and what I loved about it is that I found Joe/K to share similarities with Roy Batty and it gives hint of how Batty would have been had he been on the side of the "law". The point of view is such a mirror of the original and such a tribute to the Replicants who, in both films, are more human than humans.
blackmanwithcomputer Who? Theres nobody important enough for us to go through another plot with. A random replicant? Wouldn't be special. Wouldn't sell tickets. What surprises me most is Harrison Ford didn't want to kill off his character. He needs to die somehow. I think if there is going to be another story, it needs to be through the perspective of Ana or Deckerd. A faithful audience will expect nothing less.
I was surprised Deckard didn't die as well, but I'm positive if there is another movie, he'll already be dead, perhaps from old age (which I guess would prove his humanity).
I don't want a movie about a rebellion with loads of replicants fighting for something. Great movies need to be self contained following just one character.
FabledSomething it's not the same. The whole movie is about what is being human. Two replicants reproducing doesn't mean they are human, they are still replicants.
The music and sound and everything about this movie I found amazing and fascinating. I was transported to the world in that movie theater today when I went to see it with my dad.
The movie literally DOES prove Deckard is a human. The baby was a mix between human and robot and Rachel is obviously the Robot. Also, Wallace doesn't say Deckard was programmed to fall in love with Rachel. He says Rachel was programmed to be a perfect match for Decakard
@Papa Dragon The drone sweep K did showed radiation was OK levels. He's definitely human, if he wasn't he'd have the increased strength that the replicants have.
If they do make a sequel, I hope they do it like 2049 did it, where it's definitely a sequel but in a more indirect way. Set the story many years in the future, after the replicant revolution begins but during those events, or after it happens. After all, there were major events that happened in the Blade Runner world between the original and 2049 of which we only see their affects on the world around the characters. It doesn't have to be 30 years later, but maybe 5-15, maybe to justify having K and or Deckard connected. In the same spirit of 2049 in relation to the original, I would almost prefer that Gosling's character play a side role like Ford's Deckard did and we woupd instead follow a different lead character altogether. I've grown to appreciate the original and I loved 2049 out of the gate, especially for a movie i had no desire to exist whatsoever, so I do hope they have one more sequel in a couple years or so and leave it be.
How did you interpret the ending of Blade Runner 2049? Let us know in the comments below!
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Confused and redundant. We don't care about the replicant resistance and we barely care for Stelline, and are ambivalent towards the tight lipped Deckard. The four characters we do care about, or have an interest in are Joshi, Joi, Luv and K and they all die or are mostly dead. I would have preferred to see K go way off book and hunt down and retire Wallace. That would have been satisfying.
I think deckerds daughter had implanted a lot more memories than we realize and I say this because at the very end you see her playing with falling snow which made me believe that maybe a lot if what jo's character could have been more false memories ,
That's just too convenient. That means that Stelline accidentally set up:
1) That the date on the tree would trigger K
2) That the memory was so exact, K could recover the horse from exactly where she remembered it (is there any memory from your childhood that could be so accurate?)
3) That this memory pertained to a piece of irradiated wood that could be used to track Deckard (a father she never met, nor knew the location of) to Las Vegas
4) That this memory could correctly be used to identify her relation to Deckard
All by co-incidence?
so...the resistance leader says that "many had imagined they were the child", so has the daughter implanted that memory in many replicants or is it to represent the replicants universally held desire to be ascendent to all that they have been taught to believe?
what if the resistance leader is remembering wrongly? could she have a memory of being present at the birth? or is that way too convoluted? 😎😍
Everyone misses the irony of the ending: In the end, the reproduced K was the one, who had a real life, whereas his "original" sister only had a reproduced life. K felt real bees and real snowflakes, whereas his sister only feels reproduced insects and snowflakes. It doesn't matter what your origin is, living defines life.
Which is funny because it was made to be pretty obvious, especially at the very end, with the girl modelling snow while K is outside dying with the real thing around him. Don't see how anyone could miss that.
real life is more then just snow
Me and my podcasting buddies saw it and immediately went into an in-depth cast for over an hour on the film - and we totally missed this irony, good catch!
No shit m8, it's what the snow symbolizes.
Not only K, it is irony that the dreammaker literally makes memories (aka life) for replicants but cant fully live life herself. And freyza also said 'we all hoped to be the child', which probably meant the other rebels could also have the same memory
K was truly a tragic character. A slave used to kill his own kind and follow orders. BUT K redeems himself in the end by doing something very human and risking his own life for a man to see his daughter. He took life into his own hands and *lived*. Beautiful story
showed he had soul after all
But who was batistas character? Was he also the father of someone?
But he wasn't a replicant after all
@@freebee8221 he was tasked to burry Rachel. There's only 1 father, mother and child in the movie. How did you not get that ffs.
Who asked him? And why did he bury them in his own backyard?
Will look forward to Blade Runner 2085, in theaters spring of 2054
Shouldn't be 2075 though
With a real replicant of Harrison Ford portraying Rick Deckard.
Nah 2049 will he the next taking place at 2089
@@alansolorzano330 it should be 2084 and released 2052 bc blade runner came out in 82 and blade runner 2049 came out 35 years later in 2017 so the next release would be 2052 and set in 2084
The number of years between Blade Runner movies doesn't tie into the actual story line, so a new movie could come out tomorrow.
Saddest death in the movie for me was JOI. Although it could be argued she was just doing what she was bought for, she was real to K, as he said. She was the only entity in the movie that showed any caring, and love as she tried to say, for K.
I think the point where she has K break the antena shows she is working outside her base programing. She was becoming more than what she was made to do. The scene where he looks up at the Joi billboard seem to say to me he was thinking, "Even if I get another, it wouldn't be her." Same way Deckard looked that the replicant of Rachel with the wrong color eyes. Even getting another one, it wouldn't be her.
Jois last moment was to be treated as human.
When he tried to stop Luv from kicking Ks head in. Joi ackowledges her and just before she smashes her transponder(?) she asks:
” Are you satisfied with our product? ”
@@jakemaattanen dude your irony is sadly wasted on this crowd! Somebody upvote this dude's comment. It's by far the best. Sure made me giggle.
+Looper This was one of the most introspective experiences I ever had in a movie session. In the end, all the people in the theater, in absolute silence, digesting the emotional load of what they just watched and experienced. They stood in their seats for a few minutes, quiet, and left in complete silence. Very impressive, and unique.
May be...
@@henrikpedersen8282 lmao
Lol I had same experience in theater, it was so quiet at the end, I could feel how the movie affected people
The audio mixing in this movie is godly satisfying
landey grocks The cityscape scenes with the flying cars and the droning were FUCKING Epic, chills.
... thanks to the fact that they understood the devine soundtack by Vangelis in the first BD and stcuk to the theme.
landey grocks the booming synth chords were terrible
Yes!
It's an amazing movie to enjoy at an IMAX :)
This film was visual perfection. Intellectual sci fi fans will have this to re watch for years to come. I left the theater very satisfied.
Just watched it, and yes, we are going to be thinking about this for another 30 years. My take: If you create something to imitate life, then expect it to do exactly that. Frankenstein was the first, and you can even throw in Avatar too, if you take on the form and live the life you will become that lifeform.
I did like the showing of the Earth and the ruin it has become. Blade Runner 2047 is a very cautionary tale.
Yes Rick. I agree. And this same cat directed "Arrival", another intellectual sci-fi film. Me likes what I am seeing from him. And his other non "sci-fi" stuff is on point too. "Prisoners" anyone!
I could have only been more satisfied if I had gotten a handsky during.
Yes I agree what a great film and sequel!
Rick Bellows I left the theatre holding back tears. It’s one of the best movies I’ve ever been lucky enough to see in the cinema.
my favorite line from the film is when Wallace states “Pain reminds you the joy you felt was real.” Not only does the pain K feel throughout the film, signify that he himself is innately “human”, because he’s lived and felt a human experience, but it also reinforces the fact that the love he felt for Joi was real, making her death ever more heartbreaking and real to the audience. A breathtaking film on so many levels.
K/Joe didn’t want to be just “another replicant”; similar to Roy Batty, he wanted to be something more. So it was devastating to see K learn he wasn’t the child of Rick. But reflecting on the events that happened throughout the movie, Joe did the most human thing to do, and saved Rick to help him reunite with his child. At the conclusion of the movie, Joe ended up becoming a lot more than just “another replicant”. Despite being a replicant, Joe proved he was more human than a lot of humans, and that’s why I love his arc and his character. It’s just so deep and poetic :)
It is poetic but so sad to see a character go through the amount of tragedy by losing everything “joi” based on a whim of being born not made because it meant more to them just for it to be not true hurts a lot it an amazing movie honestly
@@freddiehernandez9921 my expectations coming into this movie were extremely high (because I heard it was so good) and yet I was still blown away! 10/10
I watched the film again tonight... Every time I watch it, I am blown away... One of the best Science Fiction films ever made... Beautifully filmed and acted... Denis Villeneuve created an incredible homage to the original... This is what film making is supposed to be... As time goes on, it will become a greater classic, than it already is... Simply amazing!!
1) There was no real decoy, it was purely on paper. K/Joe is utterly, completely, unequivocally unremarkable. Thus his name - Joe, as in an Average Joe.
2) Joi does not possess a soul, she is completely fake. She is the other side of the replicant coin and is made solely to please and coddle her owner/lover. The giant pink Joi on the bridge calls K Joe as well, and her entire branding scheme is that she'll be anything you want. K wanted to feel special, so his Joi always reinforced this to him, but it was never real. Joi is K's fleeting dream of being special, and once her emanator is destroyed, K learns he is not special.
3) Wallace posed a question about whether Deckard was moved by love or programming, to me there's no doubt whatsoever Deckard is fully human. The original movie is about a bad man finding his humanity through the grace of a machine. Wallace's question is not a literal "Are you human or robot?" question, but pondering what the difference is, if love is just a chemical, and if we are products of biological programming or something higher like a soul. The ultimate takeaway is that it does not matter, in fact the only thing that matters is what we choose to do with our lives.
4) In summary, 2049 is about dreams and delusions. K wants desperately to be special, Joi tells him this constantly, and he instantly assumes all the evidence points to him because it's his dream. He becomes deluded and forces himself into the situation even as it destroys him. He thinks this is what it means to be human, to grapple with one's humanity. He is torn between two sides telling him what his identity is and should be - the LAPD who informs his identity as that of a slave, and the resistance which informs his identity as that of a free replicant. When his delusion is shattered by meeting the pink Joi, he chooses to follow his own path and not let anyone tell him who he is or what he should do. He makes the most human decision and takes his life into his own hands. He saves Deckard for the same reason Roy did. He wanted someone to remember him, for his final decision that fully validates him as human to not be in vain. No one else gave him his identity, only he did, and his sacrifice ensured forever that he was by every metric a human being, even if the world would ultimately forget him.
zombinedotrar EXACTLY! I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SAY THIS TO OTHER PEOPLE FOR AGES, THANK YOU FOR SUMMING IT UP IN A SINGLE COMMENT!
I'm gonna be copying and pasting this elsewhere.
zombinedotrar Huh I think you're onto it here.
spoiler
ages??? the movie just came out
Perfect summation. Hat's off to you.
Huh? I thought the whole point of the twist was that K is NOT special. He's just one of many other replicants. The "part of the puzzle" was the male birth record itself, meant to mislead the possible investigation. It wasn't any particular person.
However, when designing implanted memories for replicants, Stelline has inserted bits of her real memories here and there, and that's what K's orphanage memory was. In fact, Freysa points out something along the lines of "You thought it was you? We all wish it was us." and that Stelline's own bits of memories feel the most real, implying that many of the replicants have some bits of Stelline's memories.
What Freysa said to K confuses the plot too much. In a replicant freedom movement with hundreds, maybe thousands of replicants, many of them being older than Stelline, how could they all have the memory of the wooden horse implanted? Or was it implanted only in a select few? Remember the hooker who checked the wooden horse out in K apartment. She has the memory too.
Exactly, that's what I thought too when watching this.
I though she meant "we all wish it was us" as in they all just wish they were born, not necessarily relating to Deckard and Rachel's child.
TheFlak36 I don’t think this is accurate at all.... I think she was just interested in the horse because it was made from a tree. Which she had never seen before.
@@vegangurly Something apparently so scarce that a guy told K he was rich because of it or something like that. I always thought she liked the horse and that's it. Yes it could also mean that she had the memories implanted but it's very ambiguous.
The "We all wish it was us" is also ambiguous it could mean that they all had the memories or they all wanted to be the special replicant that was born. She could've meant that they all wanted to be special and they all wanted to be born but doesn't exclude K from being the decoy
I like how Jared Leto appeared twice in the movie
FqrGaming JuSt LiKe In SuiCidE SquaD
He shows up less than he did in suicide squad and arguably has way more significance. He basically has Luv do everything for him
Still better than suicide squad though
Dalton Williams ... he has LUV do everything for him by being a "Walking Dead series badass Negan" to keep her in fear to do his dirty work!! 😉
theman intheback eh, I kinda liked his Joker better. Wallace is just too generic with his god-complex thing. If he was fleshed out more id agree
If they make a third movie, I’m gonna miss K a lot
What about Joi
@@xedsity Joi still "lives"
Couldn’t they just make another K like Arnold in Terminator.
@@theabcool5796 would he be the same?
Possibly or they could just do a new story but same actor.
The ad for Joi was always “Saying things you wanna hear” or sth like that, which mean whatever Joi said or “feel” are all K’s. That is brilliant to realize it in the end.
"We were being hunted" could've just meant the group he was with. He was never as strong as any of the replicants he fights. Seems pretty straight forward that he isn't a replicant.
Not even close. Leon almost destroys him, as almost do Roy and Pris.
Blade Runner 3: Revenge of the Replicants sounds like an awful generic Hollywood blockbuster. Hope such atrocity never makes it to the screens.
I think they were just being silly in saying that - and I HOPE that you're right that nobody ever thinks otherwise! Maybe in the end this sequel made enough so that a third installment of the series has a chance someday - but that it didn't make too much to get the attention of big-budget hollywood and some poo-brain director....
If in 30 years, they have a writer, director, and cinematographer that can recapture the essence of Blade Runner, *and* have a story worthy of telling in that universe, then I might be glad if they make a sequel. I really do not want them to make a new movie any sooner than that, or with the wrong people making it.
Blade Runner 8: The Last Replicant
As someone who loved this film, I really hope they don't do a sequel. Leave it as it is, it's perfect already. Yeah, this is a 30 year old sequel to the original the story is fantastic, and making more films would ruin it. Leave the bittersweet ending as it is.
Batman Jr. Stfu. You probably said the same thing about the first one and this one is even better.
Don't let your idiotic fear control you.
Batman Jr. YES
You probably said the same for this movie as well, and look how 2049 turned out. The ending for 2019 was perfect, and 2049 didn't ruin it. If a 3rd movie is made, and if the fulmmakers are wise, they'll craft a story that won't compromise the two previous masterpieces. 2019 is my favorite movie ever. 2049 isn't far behind. I'd welcome at least one more.
The original also prominently featured low lighting.
We got lucky.Leave it.
By far the best scene is when K says, “All the best memories are her’s.”
Then Deckard asks, “why?”- only to get a reply of, “Go meet your daughter.” Then K proceeds to the stairs where he lies down and looks at the snow falling and touches the snowflakes as they fall and as he slowly dies. Should’ve ended there.
I think the fact she is feeling snow as they go is ironic as he says 'all the best memories are hers'. He is the one in the real snow even though he is replicant
Nah. It ended at the perfect time.
You missed the nuances of the scene.
When Joe hands the little wooden horse to Deckard and says all the best memories are hers.
Deckard doesn't just say why...
You're implying that Deckard is asking Joe, why are the best memories hers.
Deckard is actually asking
"Why? What am I to you"?
The why is him curious to know why Joe would risk his life like that to help a complete stranger.
He only says "why" but the rest of the question is implied. Why...did you help me?
Then he already began to realise that Joe might be the kid with the implanted memories, then he follows the why with "what am I to you"
He's basically saying, do you think that you're the child and I'm your father?
Joe also realised that Deckard now knows that he's not the child, yet he's still asking him if he thought that he is his dad.
He could have replied with "you're my father" but he knows that he's just the decoy with implanted memories and Deckard also knows that he's the Decoy who thought he was the child, so he resigns to that fact and finally accepts the truth and says "go meet your daughter."
What's in between the lines here is...
I know that you know, I thought you were my dad, but don't worry about me. I'm not even real. I'm a nobody with fake memories. Go meet your real daughter.
Last scene, his thoughts...
I can finally have some peace. It doesn't matter if I just lay down here and die because my life wasn't real anyway. At least I did one good thing with it before I die.
@@the_releaser holy shit man, this is the best explanation I’ve ever read. I don’t think that k is the kid either. Some people debate that but I think that part should be taken at face value. He just wanted it be human and he saw his chance as becoming the child, but he actually wasn’t. But he got his wish of being human by doing something important with his life and sacrificing it. He looses everything but gained a humanity in a sense. Absolutely amazing movie.
@@the_releaser Smart guy.
Excellent
See, I thought the giant purple "Joy" was meant to be re-assuring to K. That she was still with him in some way and believed in what he was doing. She called him "A good Joe"
As in, a good person.
I thought the writings on the billboard was kind of a punch to the gut "whatever you want to hear"
@@Bellas61 exactly. That line is so powerful
Only to realize that she's programmed to call every guy a Joe...
I thought it was supposed to let K realize that nothing he had was real or human and the only thing that can make him human is up to him or something like that
@@sci-figameguy8241 That is a fair interpretation as well. But since she acted so different from his original lover, I think it affirmed that AI can have unique personalities
It was such a rich film. Definitely one for repeat viewings.
Never again. And my license plate is DECKARD.
TheRubberStudiosASMR Infinite viewings. I want the 4K Blu Ray.
There are 3 other official short films released prior to Blade Runner 2049 that depict events that occur before the cinematic film. One is an anime regarding how the "blackout" happened. The next details how the synths became legal again. And the last shows you a bit of background on the protein farmer. These were used to inform the production of the film.
TheRubberStudiosASMR Movie is good, expertly crafted, but kinda boring at times. It also screams "fabricated plot that would never happen in real life". The female villain is a bit cartoonishly evil at times. And finally, Harrison Ford's wooden acting doesn't help this movie at all. He was such a convincing actor when he was younger, wtf happened to him?
flap Yack where can I view these???
K's travel to discover humanity is what I loved the most about this film. I think this is something what Stanley Kubrick wanted to do in his AI film (but died to soon) and Steven Spielberg tried to do in Artificial Intelligence(2001). Blade Runner 2049 is masterpiece and probably my favorite film about AI ever. Everyone go see it!
MovieFan 77 Artificial Intelligence is basically Stanley Kubricks film but directed by Spielberg. The ending is all Kubrick.
The movie was great, but as the greatest Blade Runner original..
Well i just saw it as a true lover for sci-fi movies but this one was so disappointing.. It brought so many beautiful emotions and sounds with a unique kind of vibe to it leading the audience to a mystery but the plot turned out to be simple and boring.
A I WAS A MASTERPIECE HOW DARE YOU COMPARE .THESE MOVIES DONT COME EVEN CLOSE TO A.I.
The death of his girlfriend has me in tears man. She was the true MVP of this Movie.
FairZack234 Ikr Joi was amazing and had some very important lines to tell.
Based black man lol
.. can't he just restore her from a backup?
but if you think about it...Joi only say what K want to hear, do what K want to see, the whole "i coming with you" thing is just what K want in his head, not Joi.
She was annoying and she was hardly his girlfriend, she was a computer programme.
This film was phenomenal in every way. A detail I really liked is when K realises he's about to die, he calmly lies down and accepts it. In the background you can faintly hear the same theme that plays in the background in the first Blade Runner when Roy knows he's about to die and says to Deckard "time to die."
Deckard said "they" were being hunted in the sense that he was in hiding with a replicant, not that he was one. Wallace, who wasn't even chronologically on the scene when Deckard met Rachel, can't possibly have arranged their meeting and had no idea that a replicant could spawn a child anyway. That's why he was so keen on finding the child and saying that Tyrell had pulled one over on him. More, Deckard had been around for some time before Tyrell Corp. got the technology to implant memories in replicants, so Deckard's memories can't have been fake.
Given the open bias against "skinjobs" in BR 2049, it's hard to believe that Deckard would not have been equally denigrated, yet he wasn't. The evidence that Deckard was human is overwhelming.
R C Nelson Also, he's not as strong as a replicant, he seems to have merely human strength.
I also still don't quite understand why they'd be hunted, given that Rachel is not a rogue, "off-world" replicant, and she's not apparently deadly or superstrong like most of them, as far as we know, so not a threat. Although, she blows away Leon to save Deckard in the first film, quite professionally and effortlessly, and with no emotion. So, there's that. And her lifespan is unknown.
And yet Gaff knew he dreamed about unicorns. How is he not one?
Yes, to think that the 2019 world (where you heard Bryant freely use that word) would never see Deckard called that even though K is called that repeatedly, with graffiti on his door with the same language, stretches incredulity.
In order for Deckard to be a replicant, he would also have to have memories implanted of retirement to the point where he has serious PTSD. He is human.
@@thiscorrosion900 The introduction says that Replicants are banned on Earth. Not off-world models, but all Replicants.
I didn't find Luv physically-attractive at all.
Joi was my type of woman.
zeryphex Both were hot as hell
I think that was on purpose. Joi was built (cast) to be a "dream woman" complete with super beauty baby face, huge eyes, full lips, sensual movement etc. Also she was submissive throughout the movie.
I think that was made to underline how programmed she was and her advertising even says the same stuff to him she did, that he thought was her genuine thought. That's why he was so hit when the advertising bent down to him and said "you are a special joe".
Joi to me was an example of the question: Is it not enough to genuinely feel what you are is real to be human? Because she didn't trick him, lie to him that she loved him. She was programmed to feel, think, do and say what she did. But she did it genuinely and she herself FELT it as real as she could in the moment she did it.
Doesn't that make it "real" enough? How are any of our emotions more real? The only real difference is that "our programming" had more factors and seems more random, therefore no one of us will act the same way, while her programming can be replicated 100% perfection and produce a person that will genuinely feel and act exactly the same way. If we could take two humans and have them live exactly the same lives 100% they would - according to modern research we are basically crazy fast and complex touring machines - turn out just like the copies of Joi.
Google Sylvia Hoeks. You will change your mind
I don't think Joi was acting submissively nor strictly according to programming. She took it upon herself to hire the replicant hooker spy, and unlocked the door for her and later kicked her out....that shows initiative. She also kept forcing the name Joe on K, even though he didn't like it. When Joi asked K to delete her off the home console, that couldn't be according to default programming. Furthermore, the biggest give away is Joi instructing K to take the antenna out of the mobile device and break it. To me that says she's grown past her programming, sort of like how K has grown past his when he somewhat starts lying to his boss.
Anyways going back to the main topic, yeah Joi's definitely more my type, but there was something about Luv as well. Physical attractiveness aside (I found both attractive), Luv seemed to have some sort of tragicness to her. It seems like her boss have caused her to have some sort of complex or trauma through his misdeeds which causes her to be cruel. It's bizarre because there's something about her which makes me want to feel for her and want to like her, but she just keeps brutally killing people when she probably could have just incapacitated them.
It was pretty brutal when Luv crushed Joi though. Although now thinking about it, Luv might have not known the mobile device was her only remaining copy and there was no backups. Luv did leave K alive (for dead?) after he blew away three of her guys. Minus the killing, I don't think she's actually "that bad"....least not nearly as bad as her boss.
Maybe because youre a women, joi is the more sexualized hot aff one, but luv is complex and disciplined, i loved both
The movie was sci fi fantasy at it's best. I really do hope they will make a third Blade Runner and finish the story of the replicants and humans.
Hope the third will be like Blade runner 2049 with ending like the original that get audiences to think!
TheDaybid No it didnt, the rain was coming through her body but some kind of sensors detected the rain and made the hologram to depict rain on her skin, it was just a special effect
Hope we don't have to wait just about 30 years. The original came out in 1982. That's long time to wait.
i dont want them to ever finnish make a 4th and a 5th movie and a 6ths just like star wars lol also for them to go more in depth about the manurfraction process and what the factories look like. and to see more of the giant city, blade runner only shows the one the one city besides the old destroyed part of it. but every major city on earth is like this city maybe they could go venture off into some of the other cities. too.
See you in 30 years
I think some ppl are missing the point about what is "real" or isn't, when discussing K and Joi or their relationship. The very nature of these movies is to blur that line between replicant and human; fate and chance; programming or free will. To get wrapped up in these is to be like the cop captain, where existence HAS to be divided by a metaphorical wall or she doesn't know what that would mean for her own humanity. The truth is actually riding that line, and it's interesting how the symbol and literal location of the Wall shows up in key moments of the film. The whole crux of the first film is "what does it mean to be human?" and we discover it is not about genetics or how you were created, but in what ways do you grapple with and respond to your existence. In that way these replicants are no less human, given their existential struggles are no different.
We can say K is not "real" in that his memories are not uniquely his own, yet the things he struggles with throughout the film indicate a very human journey, continually "off baseline" in his emotional responses as the film progresses. He is looking for meaning and wishes to be "special" though the world promises he won't be and treats him like shit. In spite of that, he longs for more than his current lot in life and fantasizes about a great destiny. He ends up being (almost) exactly what the world would have him be - a worthless replicant of no importance - but by claiming his identity and committing a truly selfless act, he transcends himself and the world that would box him in.
I have this idea that what we do and live stays registered in our DNA. We pass to our children a better or the worst DNA based also on what we have lived until that point.
That's the great thing about visual story telling. Without explicitly saying something there is so much room for interpretation. Because when he lies in the snow and he "gives in" to what's to come he doesn't show a negative emotion. He fully concentrates on the moment of the snowflake, the falling, he leans back.
He goes into oblivion living that moment because he realized that's all it ever was and ever can be. A series of moments to be cherished until they are no longer. In a way a similar ending to Blade Runner from the '80s where the struggling replicant fighting for his life gives in, stops the fighting, cherishes the last moments of raindrops on his face until he is no more.
Well written
Not gonna lie. Low-key pissed that K died.
Also, why the fuck does Ryan Gosling have the most unsatisfying endings for his best characters?
Tragic stories are intriguing to him. So are they to me.
Who said K died?
@@alltheworldsastage4785 the mortal wound he took from luv.
Mad that this film is already 5 years old. Absolutely glorious cinema - what an achievement
Is nobody gonna comment on what gaff said? "Something about his eyes" as in the golden glow of the replicants' eyes?
She did take Deckard "home": to her own home at the Wallace Corp HQ.
Or he meant the fact that he did not have the Replicant glow in his eyes. Plus, he had no extra abilities like Replicants have. He was very human.
Nexus 7 is never mentioned in either movie. So maybe Rachael and Deckard were the only Nexus 7s that were produced?
Deckard isn't as strong and resistant as all other replicants. Both in the original and 2049, Deckard is shown as much more physically weak than a replicant. What's more, his daughter has basically no immune system, basically making her actually subhuman. Meaning she was born "unnaturally".
I can't believe people are debating it. Deckard is clearly human.
I think when Gaff did that sheep origami it implied that Gosling is still innocent, clueless and he knows nothing yet...
The memory was implanted in loads of replicants. He just happened to be the only one ever in the position to find the horse. The memory implant was meant to inspire rebellion in replicants, and it was even more effective because it was based on a real memory. You got that wrong.
No, as explained by Ana it was illegal to implant real memories. Only manufactured memories could be implanted, and those had to be "good" memories so that replicants had a positive baseline.
yup, and remember the replicant hooker was fascinated with the wooden horse when she spotted it on Ks bedside table. She picked it up and said something like "this is from the dream..." Loads of replicants were carrying this same highly emotive dream, engineered by Deckards daughter, (illegally) from a real memory of her own.
Kirk Darling "that would be illegal...officer" as in, "I'm not going to say no, but I'm not going to admit it to the police for obvious reasons"
The hooker says "it's from a tree". She was fascinated because it was made from wood
Exactly, Steve.
*Wallace answers his phone*
"You ever heard the story about the Scorpion and the frog? Your friend Luv didn't make it across the river"
I love how NO ONE pronounces Denis Villeneuve's name the same way, and no one pronounces it correctly lol
Villa new way
The greatest tragedy in this film was the fact that Joi had her own mind and genuinely loved K, but in the end K couldn't accept her love was genuine because she was programmed to as an AI and dismissed her as a "person" altogether.
Joi existed even when K was not there, she was visibly distressed when K was injured and unconscious in the car crash, and was willing to risk her own life in order to not put K in danger, but K more or less took her love for granted during the movie and in the end rejected her as ever having been alive because she is an AI, artificial. And so rejects himself after realising that he was not "special".
"To be born is to have a soul." Humans despised replicants. But the replicants could not value and accept themselves as they are. It was ultimately immensely silly why the replicants needed the "miracle", in order to feel self-worth and feel like they are more than human? It changes nothing practically. And the replicant hooker derides Joi for not having a physical body just like the humans calling replicants skinjobs, based on a prejudice for the "artificial".
I don’t think Joe reject her , she said “ let me go like a real girl” and that’s what he did .
She was gone & any replica wouldn’t be her .
You couldn’t be more wrong.
joi did not have her own mind, she is programmed to worry and care, specially when her owner is having a hard time, not needing him to be conscious, just for her device to be on, i could even blame her for the big disappointed joe felt for not being the special kid with a soul she kept saying he was.
And also, how do you want replicants to feel self worth without that miracle? they GREW to become humans, it took a lot of experiences and pain and battle, it took death and birth, its against their "genes" to have self worth
Phillip K Dick was quite clear that in the book Deckard was human. The theme of the book was Deckard losing his humanity by killing the replicants. My take on the movie is that Deckard is human and the game changer is humans and replicates can produce offspring - so the girl is a hybrid. K at first thinks he is the child after finding the horse and showing his memory is a real memory. When he is told that the child was a girl, he realises it was the bubble girl and that is why she was so upset - she was seeing her own experience. By then K has evolved - become human in a way, which is why he saves Deckard. He dies at the end, I almost thought they were going to repeat Roy Batty's words - time to die.
Adrienne Kohler - Scott took many liberties with the book so Declare could be a replicant in his movie. Despite the fact that it is stupid. - As you said the point was to question the difference between humans and replicants in various perspectives, which is wasted for the thrill of cheap "everybody's a replicant lol" twist.
random_name Agreed. PKD's exact quote was
"I would like to have him metaphorically be a replicant because that shows that any one of us could be dehumanised in the effort of fighting evil."
Adrienne Kohler
Excellent explanation and I agree entirely. It was a great sequel, much better than I expected.
For god's sake no more after 2049...leave it now lads...leave it.
I loved how they even played an original soundtrack song on the death, got me emotional
I must agree with Adrienne. This to me is also an allegory not only about "artificial" life, but also about "slavery". When people were told that the races could not mix. The original Blade Runner is one of my favorite movies of all time. I was pleasantly surprised here too as 2049 was a worthy follow-up! Well done.
PLEASE
DO NOT watch this if you haven't seen the movie yet! You'll ruin the entire film for yourself.
EY3FUL title should make that pretty obvious
Don't watch the video because it explains to us what the ending is?
why? i want to watch it
Bowties True. Yet some people will still impulsively choose to watch this and end up regretting it.
As i was watching Blade Runner 2525, it struck me that anyone watching this film would be better off not having see the original ( ! )
Absolutely love the Joi story... It was the most touching and also the deepest part of the movie. The part about whether her feelings are real, as she doesn't have a real body. And then to make it even more complicated, her lover isn't a "real human" either, so are his feelings for her then real? I didn't see that coming when Joi turned up the first time in the movie. It's something that grows on you and messes with your mind :)
Without a doubt the most confusing film I've ever watched. I think its because I havnt seen the first one.
THERES A FIRST MOVIE WHAAAAAAAT
try tenet xD
I like this movie but if u expecting an action movie maybe u shouldn't watch it
If you expect ANYTHING but a visually great movie, then don't watch this.
This was almost as flat as the original, if not SUPER predictable.
Edgar R this movie is brilliant and it’s one of the best of the year!
the last one wasn't really about action either, they aren't those kinds of movies
Liam Pezzano it’s true! In fact the original Blade Runner trailers and spots was mislead as a action movie.
Anyone expecting an action film shouldnt even watch it, and why are they watching it if they haven't seen the first one or liked it
I’m never one to agree with public opinions but holy shit was this movie amazing
I friend of mine said that was shit and told not to watch it, wonder whats is wrong with him
Erick Garcia Some people are blind to the beauty that's in front of them
seems like you are still not in agreement with public opinion for finding this movie amazing, based on box-office sales at least.
personally, I like that it did poorly at the box-office. it made it easy to watch in the theaters and also saved the franchise from becoming the next sci-fi cash-grab target for predatory studios.
Gaff: “it’s too bad she won’t live! But then again who does?!?” Red Shawshank Redemption: “Get Busy Livin’ or Get Busy Dyin’...”
The movie was fucking amazing. The best this year so far.
"...and can you offer me proof of you're existence how can you when neither modern science nor philosophy can explain what life is"
Ghost in the Shell (1995)
@Ben Finny Using the same themes isn't "ripping it off"
Blade Runner 3: Revenge of the Replicant
Directed by Michael Bay
That would be a dream come true
Cinephilia Embodied the first movie had no explosion and the second one only one. You honestly think that's enough? Bay would give the movie the spice it clearly needs
Starring Shia LaBeouf as Officer X and Megan Foxx as Joi 2.0
if it is directed by Michael Bay, I have no choice but to kill myself
Cinephilla Embodied - It is haha
This film had the same ending as Drive! Ryan Gosling sacrificing himself for people who weren't his responsibility to begin with! Thus making him A Real Hero and A Real Human Being! Lol They should've played that song at the end, I mean that's what the movie is about anyways! Let's start a petition for Nicolas Winding Refn to direct the next one with a new Ryan Gosling replicant! :D
I though the same! and pray that he'd blink in the end so that's comfirm he survived but no ;(
TiggahG To be honest bro I think he lives...remember how he touches his side wound & sees no blood on his hand anymore
How about let's not, we can't enjoy great movies because of people like you wanting more smh
In drive he didn't die. It's ambiguous just like the book but the canon is he lives. There's a sequel.
The “Tears in Rain” track was the perfect track to be played in the end. It was kinda like an ode to Roy Batty as well...Instead of Rain it was Snow..
THey need to leave this alone now. If they continue to make sequel after sequel, they will just end up cheapening and destroying the whole franchise. We had the 1st and then 35 years later we had the followup. Leave it alone now.
Canundrum Sixnine yeah I hope they don't do another sequel to blade runner, but knowing Hollywood and their schemes they're gonna do it regardless, which is sad.
I want a another - in 35 years! :)
Alien Vs Predator Vs Replicant, coming soon
Canundrum Sixnine
Lord Of The Rings
Dark Knight Trilogy.
Both examples of how a trilogy can be very successful if in the hands of smart producers and Director. Blade runner can do just that.
Dominic Decoco success yes, but not critically. DKR was really bad.
I love Joi.Her character was heartbreaking.I think the film was excellent,although it sure isn't the type of movie to cheer you up.
Should have ended with Gosling's character lying on the steps in the snow saying, "time to die."
"like tears in SNOW"
The music says it, in a way.
He can't die . Maybe he is waiting for his father is Zeus
Who else teared up during this ending? When the “Tears in the rain” music came on, it really hit me emotionally. That combined with the bitter sweet ending too... it was just really emotionally powerful
It's the Pinocchio story with a twist
missingno thats what made me understand it lol
missingno
Lol XD
But true...
........In the book: the original Deckard was human. As he hunts, Deckard's emotions become more machine and the replicants become more human. Th maine question of the film and the book is: What is humanity?
Joi is real to me, she is more human than human beings living in our world now
cap
I thought that replicants didn’t age.
Harrison has visibly aged.
Tree Daddy who said replicants don’t age?
@@trexx0706 they aren't
@@trexx0706 what?
@@trexx0706 They're not robots. They're replicants - genetically engineered beings. "More human than human," remember? It was all explained in the intro of the first movie. They DO age! But with a four year life span you don't really notice.
Luke Fallon Then does that mean Rick Deckard is a replicant?
"If this movie performs well, and it will..."
*sigh* 13M Disappointing Box Office Opening
80 mill so far, and that's not counting China and Japan, which are huge fans of BR.
Don't be a poop butt. Not with this.
I don't know how anybody can be surprised by this, movies like these never "perform well" because they aren't watered down to cater to the lowest common denominator. A sad fact of life, but hey, at least those of us who enjoy intelligent movies got a real treat.
you have to remember that the original didnt do very well either.
Due to this generation of melters.
A movie that gives its audience the benefit of intelligence, doesn't spoon feed you information, doesn't have rapid fire editing, and makes you think as you leave the theatre.
Deckards daughter tells K that a real memory is apparent vs a fake one because it has emotions associated with it. We see Ryans face emoting as he recalls in front of her, and he has a huge burst of anger afterward. I think there is more to be interpreted here. HE could also be a born replicant. Yes I know its implied he was a decoy but there is a lot of things left for us to ponder here.
Xyos212 when she says the memory is real it means that they implanted the memory of the human that experienced that event, not that K actually lived it. It's just like the first one where they implant the memories of Tyrell's niece on Rachel
what this is meant to do is narrow the gap between humans and replicants, just like the questions posed to Deckard, we are not meant to ask, "Are they really who they say they are?" We are meant to ask "What's the difference anyway?"
I agree that Denis positioned everything to be very obscure. Even though it suggested things and furthered them. It reserved ever committing. In a masterful way that I think is similar and almost superior to the original.
I agree. A lot of things don't add up with the decoy theory. K is obviously offspring or nexus 8. He has a conscious and free will, something the newer models don't have clearly. If he was born at the same time as Anna how can they share the same memories. Was K reprogrammed at one point or is he a modified clone of Anna and is more of a back up rather than a Decoy?
If K has a serial number in his eye then he is either Nexus 8 or the new more compliant model. If he has no serial number, and somehow works for the LAPD...? Then he could be born, but there would be a whole life's paper trail that he could follow as he is a speed-reading detective yet cannot even detect his own adolescence.
I think they should continue making more Blade Runner films, but keep the answers to questions that keep arising in each film equally as ambiguous as they have been in the past films. This film was just wonderful, the visuals were gorgeous too, which is also why I want another one :)
I didnt understand anything
@Cyrus McWind wowsies
@Cyrus McWind I didn't get anything either (I still really enjoyed and loved the movie) I just don't want to give the effort into rewatching it over and over, that's why I'm watching these videos to help me, same with this guy probably, chill, we are all here for the same reason.
Cyrus McWind Don’t be a cock about it, not everyone has the time, or even the interest, to rewatch Sci-fi movies.
@Cyrus McWind Cringe kid
@Cyrus McWind so mad lol
I don't get it, the ending of this movie WAS NOT EXPLAINED OR DISCUSSED.
Joi is so damm hot! Now I wish I actually own one.
JONATHAN PINZON agree 1000%
But she loves every guy in the exact same way...man this movie has some epic bummers huh?
JONATHAN PINZON werido
Lol its fake.
Her facial features isn't at all that attractive.
Felt so sad when he says "all the best memories are hers". Indeed what they initially had are from her, but everything since "birth" belong to each individual. Good or bad it's life, and I think feeling alive is the best memory for any existence.
Joe is a mix of Joy and Love
Great commentary to provide a base of understanding for the movie....watch the first one first, then relax and watch the second and the special effects in 3D
Blade runner 3 rise of the machines
I shuddered reading this.
Please no.
That's a real big Darth Vader NOOOOOOOOOO.
replicants are not machines...
Rise of the replicants
Why do people keep forgetting about Deckard's old colleague in the retirement home telling K that "there was something in his eyes..."
"If this latest sequel performs well, which its reviews indicates it will" Actually wanted to cry because i loved this move but i believe it only barely broke even :'(
I've never been a fan of big budget film - but I thought this was a beautifully perceived piece of art with a deeply engrossing, provocative and interesting story. I found the film to be a touching tribute to the power of faith and love
I loved this movie. The scene when K meets the giant hologram of Joi, and then sees the slogan "Everything you want to see, Everything you want to hear." And he has a realization that she had just been acting towards him the way he wanted her to, and telling him he was special was actually just because he wanted to be special. I don't particularly care for Ryan Gosling, but man that scene was perfect, and gosling nailed it.
And I'm also glad that Harrison Ford didn't talk them into killing this character off, too.
All that matters is that K and his perspective of Joi are together in whatever after life exists in this universe. Thus, all theories are pointless.
He is a replicant & Joi was just an AI so no. They both expired & that's the end of it.
Maul Xx
I can at least imagine them happy together .. you should be more humanitarian considering who your profile picture is.
> Implying there somehow needs to be an afterlife
There isn't, nor is there any implication of an "afterlife" in the film.
Dominic Humans have eternal souls; machines don't no matter how human like they seem to be. It's a film, it's imaginary but even in the Blade Runner "Black Out 2022" anime short (awesome by the way) Iggy said "No heaven or hell for us, this world is all we've got." The films have fun blurring the lines but in the end even Roy had to accept the fact that he was just a machine. A really advanced replicant yes, but also simply a machine. Officer K knew this too & was satisfied to take meaningful actions. Both Roy & K ended up helping & having impact on a human life which they found to be meaningful before they expired.
A big part of the film was that you are what you believe. The Baseline tests were to make sure the replicants (Bladerunners anyway) weren't starting to throw off their slave brainwashing and realize their full humanity (Individuation). Which of course Joe/K did at the end when he started to experience emotions and free will. So when the guy driving the truck in the short (Blackout whatever year it was) said they don't go to heaven, it was just his own belief, just as every post on this thread is someone's belief. How can anybody know what happens after death? Plus, replicants are not machines, they're synthetic humans. Wasn't there a scene in the 1st film where it was mentioned that 3 hours into an autopsy they still couldn't tell if it was human or replicant? So they're entirely biological and indistinguishable from humans. In fact, seeing as Joe reached full humanity at the end of the film, aren't they human in every regard?
Remember when Edward James olmos's character says at the end of the first. ''it's too bad she won't live, then again, who does?''
K being a decoy for the girl was signposted fairly early on and confirmed by the memory reveal. It was fairly straightforward. The Deckard question was left ambiguous. In one scene, we see Deckard avoid running through a wall that K bursts through, suggesting that this is beyond Deckard's abilities. However, earlier in the film he more than held his own in a fistfight with K. So it's still anyone's guess, which is exactly as it should be.
All that is fairly boring surface level stuff. PKD was concerned with what makes a person human and soulful. 2049 has a partial answer - memories and the way they shape us. By showing how JOI goes from being a simplistic pleasure model to a loyal, loving companion who is curious about the world and eager to experience it, 2049 seems to be suggesting that it is possible to escape the 'programming' of one's personality via new experiences and the memories they create. It lays this whole idea out explicitly in the scenes where K visits Deckard's offspring. Joi's journey and that of K's are in stark contrast to Wallace and Love, who do not learn or grow - they merely become more refined versions of themselves. Wallace shaped by his narcissism, Love by her fear and desire to viewed as the best.
Takeaway - If we don't grow and we don't change from experiences, then we're not fully human.
Retrosta I agree except with Deckard holding his own against K in a fist fight.
K deliberately didn’t fight Deckard and made it clear he didn’t want to hurt him. There is no way Deckard could do the things K could do, and it was pretty obvious Deckard was outclassed in terms of combat against K.
I wouldn’t say Deckard held his own at all. He chased down K with a gun for the first half of the fight, the second half K was literally giving free shots to a Deckard who was nailing him with punch after punch and K was not even affected at all
IF Deckard is a replicant, then how did he age?
In a world full of spiderman, batman, fast and fury and predictable remakes, the Blade Runner movies have been thought provoking, original and uniquely refreshing. This is what many want to see...creativity in music, visual effects and script writing. Let's hope there's a third Blade Runner.
Kay having that memory doesn't mean he was the decoy, it means that Deckard's daughter wrote that memory and it happened to be in him when he was programmed/created IMO.
I think between the content of this video and the excellent comments we've collectively sussed 2049. But that's not a bad thing; films that are this deep without being pretentious are the best kind of movie because they spark debate. I know the ending almost feels like a set up for a sequel but I doubt they'll do one... but if they do they must bring the same team back to do it to keep some kind of aesthetic continuity.
Anybody else fall in love with joi
Instant crush
Honestly I luv the film.. but the lapd was infiltrated twice and both had a ranking officer die, with the same assassin.. that place looks really safe, lol
The “we were being hunted” doesn’t hint at him being a replicant. Anyone protecting their lover or partner would include themselves in the “we” in the that situation. That is also compounded by the plot twist of becoming a family with the pregnancy, a very big “WE.” He was also protecting a replicant which made him no longer a Bladerunner and there for one of the “little people.”
I watched 2049 at the IMAX and it was such an inmersive experience! I loved the film!
Spoiler question:
Don't read further if you haven't seen the movie.
Did K die at the end? I didn't quite get it . He lays down and closes his eyes. But did he die?
I think the implication is yes, he did in fact die. Can they bring one back just like him or revive him? Thats what I'd like to know, seeing as how Wallace would probably like to know what he knows.
I think they wanted to make it subtle, perhaps even ambiguous. Not only to make the audience create their own opinions, but in case they want to make another film and don't know if they want K to return or not
Its supposed to mirror Roy Batty's death. Instead of rain we got Snow instead.
David Pagan - it's the Blade runner way: you keep things "ambiguous" so people can debate for the next 30 years whether he died or if he was taking a nap. There's a guy making a sheep origami at some point so if Ridley remakes it inserting sheep footage we'll have a definite answer. /s
I don't think that he die. When he touch his wound,there wasn't blood on his hand,indicating that his wounds are ok,I think he just lay down to take a rest or something
Yep,it's all about self-awareness and emotions...
We always asked if Deckard is a replicant,however,the book which this movie was based on has a question that has yet to be answered: Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
How I interpreted 2049 and what I loved about it is that I found Joe/K to share similarities with Roy Batty and it gives hint of how Batty would have been had he been on the side of the "law". The point of view is such a mirror of the original and such a tribute to the Replicants who, in both films, are more human than humans.
The beauty of whether or not Deckard is a replicant is up to the viewer. I'm glad they kept it that way.
This movie should win best picture, best director, best actor, best supporting actor, best visuals and best sound. Absolutely epic movie.
No more sequels, this is perfect so, another is innecesary.
maybe in 35 years lol
*unnecessary
zeitok8 No. We need more blade runner. Are there any sci Fi movies like blade runner? Even if there are, it is the best at what it does.
yes we doo need more sequels we need to see what happens.
I think the next movie is clearly the rebellion, but clearly from a new character's perspective.
blackmanwithcomputer
Who? Theres nobody important enough for us to go through another plot with. A random replicant? Wouldn't be special. Wouldn't sell tickets. What surprises me most is Harrison Ford didn't want to kill off his character. He needs to die somehow. I think if there is going to be another story, it needs to be through the perspective of Ana or Deckerd. A faithful audience will expect nothing less.
I was surprised Deckard didn't die as well, but I'm positive if there is another movie, he'll already be dead, perhaps from old age (which I guess would prove his humanity).
I don't want a movie about a rebellion with loads of replicants fighting for something. Great movies need to be self contained following just one character.
oh no...not a Matrix 2..3
I think they'll bring Gosling back as the real messiah, resurrecting, and leading the rebellion.
Decker has to be a human because if a human can fall for a replican and reproduce then replicans are no less than humans if not more
If two replicant's can make children it's the same. And Deckard is a replicant.
FabledSomething
Deckard isn't a replicant because in the originals replicants only had a life span of 4 years.
FabledSomething it's not the same. The whole movie is about what is being human. Two replicants reproducing doesn't mean they are human, they are still replicants.
LukeDaFluke23 as the video said it is open to speculation. Decker could be a planted 8th gen replicant.
Decker was not a nexus 9 so he did have a expiration date of a few years.
The music and sound and everything about this movie I found amazing and fascinating. I was transported to the world in that movie theater today when I went to see it with my dad.
The movie was good. But Gee, the pace of it nearly put me to sleep. Also too much ambiguity. That just leaves us a bit
confused.
TEARS IN THE SNOW???
yeah, while Deckard's "daughter" is modelling snow in her holographic room. K is dying on the real snow outside. So yeah "Tears in snow".
The movie literally DOES prove Deckard is a human. The baby was a mix between human and robot and Rachel is obviously the Robot. Also, Wallace doesn't say Deckard was programmed to fall in love with Rachel. He says Rachel was programmed to be a perfect match for Decakard
How did they get around replicants not lasting that long? IF Deckard were a replicant he would be dead long before the sequel.
Then, how did they know the type of woman Deckard like?
That's if he had the standard lifespan. @@JungleEddie
@Papa Dragon The drone sweep K did showed radiation was OK levels. He's definitely human, if he wasn't he'd have the increased strength that the replicants have.
@@JungleEddie they only said nexus 6 have a 4 year life span in the first movie.
If they do make a sequel, I hope they do it like 2049 did it, where it's definitely a sequel but in a more indirect way. Set the story many years in the future, after the replicant revolution begins but during those events, or after it happens. After all, there were major events that happened in the Blade Runner world between the original and 2049 of which we only see their affects on the world around the characters. It doesn't have to be 30 years later, but maybe 5-15, maybe to justify having K and or Deckard connected. In the same spirit of 2049 in relation to the original, I would almost prefer that Gosling's character play a side role like Ford's Deckard did and we woupd instead follow a different lead character altogether. I've grown to appreciate the original and I loved 2049 out of the gate, especially for a movie i had no desire to exist whatsoever, so I do hope they have one more sequel in a couple years or so and leave it be.
It comes from an Anime called Cowboy Beebop, which itself was inspired by the original BladeRunner. The inspired become inspiration....beautiful
"The most human thing we can do is die for the right cause..." is the all encompassing statement. It is what K does in the end.
The way how Luv looks like gives me the creeps
The moment that killed me was when the Joi Advert called K Joe.
I also find it, amusing(?) that JOI on the internet has a VERY salacious meaning. I don't think it's a coincidence.
Deckard is human. The movie hunted to it. Harrison said so, screen writers said so. He’s human
I didn't knew it was a sequel that's why i was scratching my head throughout the movie