Bojack Horseman 6x15 "The View From Halfway Down" NERVOUS BREAKDOWN & REVIEW
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I actually disagree about this not being a good show for depressed people. The poem in this episode is REALLY good suicide prevention, and the build up this episode makes it so much more powerful.
This exactly. Frankly, if your reaction to the poem is "a suicidal person shouldn't watch this", then you're not getting it at all.
This poem is exactly what I needed to hear when I was at my worst. The View From Halfway Down is such an important piece of art. As soon as I heard him say that depressed people shouldn't watch this I thought of this exact part and immediately disagreed.
I actually find the show incredibly uplifting. At times it can make you feel awful but the whole point of the show for me is showing how resilient people can be. Know matter how many rock bottoms you hit, it's always possible to climb back up.
@@nissabonney6767 same here
I think Bojack helped my depression, and exactly, that poem is the ultimate suicide prevention message. It basically tells you that when you can’t do anything about it anymore, it’s when you’ll realize you always could have done anything to help your situation.
Fun fact the creator purposely waited until the end to play the beeps because he was mad that neflix lets you skip the credits for the people who worked on the show.
Yeah, Netflix really needs to cut that shit out, but that's definitely a fun fact.
Its not just that it lets you that's bad. its that it auto skips. I watch it on my xbox and sometimes when I want to see the credits my controller turns off and it skips before I can stop it.
I'm glad Netflix skips it automatically. It's not like most people care about watching the credits. Why does this upset people so much?
@@richardsantanna5398 Principles, I guess? I don't really like the credits either, but I watch them anyway for the spirit of it; If you discovered the cure to cancer or you made an original thing, you'd want recognition for it. Would you not?
@@YourBoyTrue
Well the credits are still there for people to see if they want but most people prefer to skip them. That's why Netflix does people a favor.
That heartbeat stinger in the credits is so freaking brilliant. The entire episode is masterfully written.
I’ve never been so happy to not be able to pause a video because of a user interface.
@@BarteNERDS ...or that you're not on Netflix' default setting of skipping to the next episode after a few seconds. I never would have known about the beeps if I hadn't read about it days after watching both this episode and the finale. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.
@@simonbrunner3062 RBW hates the Netflix "next episode" auto start. He intentionally timed the beeps so they started right after the point where Netflix autostarts the next one.
Fun fact: the view from halfway down helped me not do it. So yes, i would recommend the show.
Glad you're still here.
@@MorningOnMars thanks
@UCqsy4eatv_fXCSZNgkIrMMQ you're a Fucking legend
You will thank yourself one day because of your decision.
I'm really glad to read this.. let's keep going, I don't know where you are, but I know how you fell, so, hope you can fell all my heart here from Brazil 💛
This cartoon episode stopped you from "Doing it"
You really need attention, huh?
I struggle with serious depression, and I think this specific episode does more suicide prevention work than any other piece of media I've ever seen. BoJack helps you confront the feeling you don't want to face, but not facing them is worse.
Completely agree. The poem in this episode snapped me out of my suicidal thoughts
Amen to that
@@ConcernedFetus anytime I find myself wandering into that part of my mind I recite the poem
And there is no happy ending or anything like that, life just continues on and keeps changing. Unbelievably helpful for me too. Life's a bitch and then you die, yeah and sometimes lifes a bitch and then you keep on living.
The idea of thinking of life only halfway into the decision you made of ending your own is so damn powerful. That poem is such a good piece for anyone going through something rough that has them considering suicide. I’m happy I watched this show after my darkest time, and I’m happy the lessons I learned after so were the same ones taught in this show. Life’s a bitch, but it keeps going. Time stops for no one. And while you’re still living, you can always make up for the mistakes you’ve made. Once you’re gone, there’s nothing left to save you or any way for you to fix the messes you’ve made. Such a damn good message and show.
as secretariat was reading the poem, the door was coming closer like the water before he died, this is bojack's halfway down, a slow death he can't take back
the entire poem goes from 3rd person to 2nd person to 1st person.... 3..2...1
it's literally counting down to death
Also a theory is that the last episode is Bojacks veiw from halfway down, that the flatline in this episode was when he was dying, and the heartbeat was his in between, the last episode is a reflection on how he might've wrapped up his life if he were to not drown- his veiw from halfway down. And at the last episode, you can see a heartbeat monitor again, during Mr. Blue. And at the end... the flatline comes back. So from the Veiw from halfway down to the end of the last episode, it was still in his head. And I think that is something to really reflect on. What will be our veiw from halfway down?
@@deliriousmusicality8840 that theory is terrible and it almost ruins the entire show. Luckily we know its not true due to RBWs reaction
@@bramsteenhoek2674 uh... ok. I dont see why it's terrible?
@@deliriousmusicality8840 bc it ruins the entire message of the show in favor of some forced edgy ending. If you think thats the better ending you havent been paying attention at all dude
That ""Oh no, Bojack. There is no other side.This is it."" last line by Herb is pure existential horror. But in a different perspective, it can also make this life even more meaningful, because of how rare and short it is.Who wouldve thought wisdom could be like a double-edged sword.
Yeah, it always feels like one of the main cores of BoJack.
It reminds me of a quote from Neil Degrasse Tyson. "In a universe where nothing we do matters, the only thing that matters is what we do."
It's a small comfort, but even if I spend the day sitting on the couch doing nothing, it still helps me appreciate just getting to do that a little bit more.
yes, thats the thing that got me. Suicide, unfortunately, runs in my family. My cousin actually did, in fact, jump off a bridge. (The George Washington bridge, to be precise). The whole poem, the whole episode-- all of this hits so, so close.
I really like the Thought that we arent some immortal Souls that have an Afterlife. It feels good for me, that after death, I just stop existing. That I can stop to think about myself, my life, my relationships, my flaws and all the Problems i had. Existing is wunderful, but it is also Pain. And it calms me to believe that at some Point, I am just not there anymore. That nothing mattered in relation to the long Time Earth existed and will exist. I will make Space for someone new who can make his own Experiences.
@@TheSylvirr my cousin jumped off a bridge too, when she was 16 :(
@@svensei5643 perfect! That's exactly how I fell
The more I thought about this episode after watching it, the more I realised how good it was. And the best thing is, that despite having some horrifiyingly anxiety inducing episodes like this one, the show doesn't wank over how sad and edgy it is, but still manages to have a somewhat optimistic note instead.
I think that’s the most appealing aspect of the show. It dives into some DEEP waters but never lets the heaviness weigh it down. It’s as hopeful as it can possibly be, which isn’t much, but it’s just so real at the same time.
This is why I think this show is miles better than Rick and Morty, Rick and Morty appeals to those who want to convince themselves their philosophy is deep, their outlook is edgy and pessimistic and nothing more. If I look at Bojack Horseman there are some hauntingly depressing lessons but at the end of the day its philosophy is still a comforting one.
@@greentaigo2552 Agreed. I just started season four of Rick and Morty for the channel and while I still enjoy the show and think it's more entertaining that Bojack at times, Bojack is far and away the better written series.
Bojack has something to say about nihilism, Rick and Morty just wants to dabble in it when they wanna make you have feels.
Both work for each show respectively, I just prefer the slight comfort I get from Bojack.
@@BarteNERDS yeah I do like the show, I feel Rick and Morty is best when its 1. Doing overly complicated and insane plots like the train episode or the simulation episode and 2. When it just goes as crude and over the top as it can get.
But yeah personally not my place to go to for philosophy, on that note I'd say Dan Harmon's other show Community outdoes it as well.
18:00 “Stop - please stop.” I know you didn’t say much during the episode, but holy fuck this is one of the most genuine reactions I’ve seen. It was the most similar to mine. This episode fucked me up sooo badly. The existential dread I’ve felt every time I watch this episode is crazy. Thank you for this reaction.
The concept of nothingness after death used to freak me out before I realised it's the same nothingness that you experienced before you were even born. We came from nothing, we return to nothing.
It’s weird, it doesn’t freak me out as much anymore, but it hits stronnnng only when I wake up sometimes. Like everyday I have to come to terms with the fact that one day I’m not waking up.
It's finally resting. A dreamless sleep .. don't scares me anymore
That’s always been the way I’ve thought about it, but I must admit, it doesn’t exactly comfort me. When I think about how it was for me before I was born. Well it was… nothing. No potential to do anything. And that does legitimately still terrify me. I like to experience the world. I care about other people, I want to spend time with them and help people and experience things. Even the moments of displeasure and suffering, I’ve been fortunate not to suffer any real trauma, and so I still want the potential to do things, to experience more. The concept that all of my senses and memories and experiences, and potential for any future experiences, will eventually be erased, potentially at an unexpected and sudden time, does still terrify me
i used to be ok with it. But now that i deal heavily with an anxiety disorder and depersonalisation it freaks me out so hard i can't even begin to explain it.
u can believe that or u can believe that there’s an afterlife
If you notice when they’re eating it’s all their last meals Herb does from his peanut allergy, and corduroy has the lemon in his mouth while Beatrice had the nursing home food and Bojack had his pills and chlorine water. They were rly detaile abt it
Got an explanation for Sarah Lynn’s fast food?
@@tijmenation1730 it's very likely that Sarah Lynn and Bojack mostly ate fastfood on their bender, so her last meal would be a burger and fries.
It’s less about their last meals, and more of what took part in their death.
Crackerjack had rations as well.
Zack was killed and eaten so he was serving everyone their food
I disagree with you, I watched this show while I was deeply suicidal, and that poem is the strongest anti-suicide messages there is, and I'm glad that I saw it.
I a hundred percent understand where you’re coming from though. I didn’t realize how deep it was until I was editing, I was too busy having a panic attack. When I heard it on the rewatch I was like, “Holy fuck.”
I’ve said this before in these comments regarding this, so I don’t want you to feel like it’s not genuine since I’m just some stranger on UA-cam, but I’m glad you’re still around, friend.
I was so gripped by this episode that when I heard the flatline, I burst out crying, I paused and I didn t know there was the heartbeat coming back. I had to wait a few minutes before I forced myself to watch the next episode.
I did pretty much the same thing, i heard the flatline and it just broke me i paused straight away and didnt finish the series till a few days later
For about 3 months it was the second highest rated episode of all time, shame that a lot of fans of other shows keept pushing it down, it at one point went down to 8 only, before a lot of the fake reviews were removed, its now the 13th highest episode of all time with 9,9.
Meh, fandoms gonna fandom, I'm actually glad I didn't hear anything about it, it woulda lessened the impact. But I'm gonna be LIVID if Bojack loses the Emmy to Simpsons and Bob's Burgers.
I can't think of an animated episode of television I've watched more deserving of an Emmy than this one.
@@BarteNERDS I'm guessing you were as livid as I was when it lost? I love Rick and Morty, but come on.
@@Steelburgh I knew it was going to lose, but yeah, I was still pissed.
No one should take those "rankings" seriously. It isnt based on how good, but rather how many fans exist.
The poem that Butterscotch reads is actually very convincing in the message to not kill yourself. That poem is terrifying and makes you feel the fear of someone who isn’t dead yet, but has already gone through with killing themselves. In their last moments they wish they never jumped and they could be safe again, but now it was too late and their choice to jump took the choice of living away from them. They have no choice now. They’re about to die. And it’s their fault. There have been people who went along with suicide, but ended up living, and in their final moments they all regretted making the choice to go ahead with it.
I remember when I watched this episode. I had just found out I'd have to redo my whole thesis that I was about to submit because of an oversight from my supervisor. It was a lot considering I was (still am) struggling with debilitating depression that made getting out of bed very challenging. I had no friends, no loved ones. Nothing but my studies. I was so proud of that thesis, I never thought I could finish it and the couple of weeks I thought I did it and could graduate gave me a high unlike I'd felt in years. Knowing all that work went down the drain just broke me. I stayed up almost three days in a row doing nothing but drinking wine and sitting on the balcony smoking cigarettes (ironically, I had quit both a year prior) in between watching the final season of this show. I was seriously contemplating suicide because I was just so tired and all my work amounted to nothing. It was the breaking point. I know it sounds dramatic now but I felt so cornered, there was no way out. And this episode just made me have a full-on meltdown because as much as I felt cornered, the existential dread and fear I got from this made me too scared to do the deed. I didn't know what to do, so I called my mom for the first time in two years. She and dad drove five hours that night to come and get me back home, it was the first time in years I felt like someone cared.
Eventually, I got over it. I'm still not okay, but I'm getting better. I'm taking baby steps with re-doing my thesis. I stopped smoking and drinking again after those three days. I went to therapy. It's getting better but I went to a dark place and who knows what could have happened if I hadn't gotten the reality check from this episode.
Sorry for the long story, I just felt like I wanted to share it since I mostly just get weird looks when I mention a TV show saved my life lol
I legit had an emotional breakdown at Ivy Tran: Food Court Detective because my dog ripped my face off, so believe me when I say I get it. This show just has that ability to really make you look at your life in ways no other show has done for me. When I try to explain the last five seasons to people I get the same looks, I can't imagine trying to explain to anyone right now about that breakdown I had because of Ivy lol.
Either way, I'm really happy the show did that for you because I'm glad you're still around. Tell your parents a complete stranger on the internet thanks them for coming to get you because I get *that* feeling, too. I fell behind on the channel because I went to stay with my little sister for a few days after I put my dog down after the surgery, and I ended up staying for weeks because it was just so nice to have that kind of warmth in my life. My dog's aggression kept me from having friends over the apartment or going on vacation, add my next-level introverted nature to the mix and being around someone who feels like they care just wasn't something I had a lot of.
I dunno, between the pandemic, my incident, and now this final season of Bojack, I just really feel like my attitude towards people has shifted for the better.
One step at a time for each of us, right? I hope this finds you doing well and I hope you have a great day and I know your thesis is gonna come out fantastic.
@@BarteNERDS I remember you telling that story. I completely understand how devastating it is to lose a pet, but your circumstances definitely added extra baggage. I'm sorry that happened to you :/ Sometimes, all it takes is a little nod of relatability to coax those emotions out as with you and Ivy, and sometimes we need to have breakdown or rely on those around us and it's okay :)
I'm glad I'm still here, too. Since then I've slowly repaired my relationship with my parents so in a way, I'm glad that night happened. And I'm glad to hear you had someone you could rely on during your dark moments, too. I'm very introverted as well so I can understand how hard it is for us to reach out and sometimes going without that reminder for extended periods of time can make one forget what it feels like.
This year has been a lot and I hope we can all continue to persevere. Looking forward to your reaction to the final episode!
Thanks for replying, I hope you have an amazing day :)
My mouth was constantly open GASPING cause I was SO anxious the whole time. I was crying cause I was THAT nervous. This episode is my favourite one from every show I’ve seen
Yeah, it's definitely in my top ten episodes of all time and that's not an easy list to break into.
I was also a die hard catholic and now atheist and yup I feel that terrifying feeling of there being absolutely nothing. This episode was a LOT
It’s weird cause as terrifying as it is, it makes me appreciate the time I have more.
But if there is absolutely nothing then you don't have to be afraid of it right? Cause you won't even feel the nothing cause there is nothing to feel and you are nothing.
It’s not terrifying, it’s just how it is ya know ?
@@Someguythatlikespizza i think it’s more about the fear of not existing
@we'll bang, okay could be kind of a good thing though ?
Im nearly 60 years old, and I'm beginning to think this is the greatest TV show I've ever seen
Oh, I was waiting for this one. The View from Halfway Down is honestly one of the most impactful episodes of ANY television show I’ve ever seen in my life. Full stop.
The doorway’s waiting for all of us. But what you do before you see it still has an impact, man. Keep watching the show. ❤️✌🏽
It's gonna be at least a few weeks before I can recover enough from this episode to say it's one of my "favorite" episodes of all time, because I enjoyed absolutely nothing about it.
But it will definitely go down as one of the episodes that meant the most to me. This episode is one of the most perfect episodes of television ever crafted and probably the best episode of television I've ever reacted to since I started the channel.
BarteNERDS
I didn’t say “favorite”. I said “most impactful”. 😉
But I do totally get it. There’s still a ton of stuff in this episode to take apart, bit by bit. And as for the suicide comment, I will say that the poem is pretty strong in the regard. Folks who often attempt and fail at suicide (like from jumping off a bridge) never attempt a second time. But to go so far as to recommend the entirety of this show? It may be beneficial in a sort of “shocking bath of ice water” kind of treatment, I suppose. 🤷🏽♂️
@@theGreenGoblin I've heard it called "A show about growing up for grownups." and I don't think a better description could ever be given. I honestly feel like this show has done wonders for my mental health, to be honest. Maybe more than most things in my life have.
I've said it before, but it just so incredibly captures everything that keeps me awake at night while also keeping the go with the flow/comedic outlook I have to constantly try my hardest to keep. I dunno. I feel like I need to do an entire video just on how much this show has meant to me.
BarteNERDS I’ve heard before that the last lines of the show are really poignant, but I honestly feel that the best lines of the entire show come at the very end of Season 2
“Every day, it gets a little easier. But you’ve gotta do it every day. That’s the hard part.”
@@theGreenGoblin That was definitely one of those moments of the show that hit me. Especially Bojack's, "Yeah....ok."
Same with Ivy Tran's "...wouldn't it be nice if it was?"
Plus basically everything Todd has ever said because he is the wisest sage in the entire show.
I'm totally with you in that the hardest part of losing your faith (same with me), is that it means embracing that there really is nothing after death. Zero. Nada. Nothing. And that will never cease to be absolutely terrifying.
All day.
One of the best dramatic television episodes ever made...and it's from a "sitcom"
bojack's eyes dilated when beatrice was eaten by the tar, so do you think deep down he loved her and had complete dread of losing her again??
Perhaps indeed
It's really hard to not care about your mother, no matter how much she hurt you. It's the first bonding partner in your life. I'm sure bojack cared about. Wouldn't have been so upset with her if he didn't.
In the dinner table Bojack’s seat really looks like a funeral casket
Your little "please stop" followed by the relieved laugh. I want to make you a cup of tea and give you a weighted blanket.
Fun story, my sister bought me a weighted blanket last Christmas and never used it until I had to deal with the cold. It's heavenly
This episode was so fucking gripping, I couldn’t move for 25 minutes
i never listened to the end of the credits so i never heard the flat line come back to life until i watched your reaction !!! Can’t believe i let myself cry for long before watching the finale when the credits would have helped ahaha
"This water tastes like chlorine" shit bojack was drowning in his pool
the poem 'the view from halfway down' actually helped me, believe it or not. it was a beautiful piece that always reminds me that death isn't what i want. i struggle a lot with being depressed, and this show, watching it all through made me upset at parts, but it was all worth it in the end, because i got to realize through bojack and his friend's characters that i deserve to get better, and i finally started to change and pull my life back together again. so i disagree about this being a bad show for depressed people, honestly most people i heard saying it arent in the pov of a mentally unstable or miserable person, and just assume it would be bad for them considering how hard it is for someone that is ok with life watching this show, the experience is unmatched and watching this show was one of the best things for me.
as someone who’s been suicidal on and off for years, this episode and the poem in particular actually are really positive for me and have helped talk me down from some crazy places
My father committed suicide, I've struggled with suicidal thoughts and I have had depression my whole adult life (I'm 26) and this show has done more for me than any idiot saying "cheer up." Now that might seem strange but it is actually a blessing to know "no you're not the only one who feels like this" Bojack, and also Rick and Morty, Fleabag, all these shows have helped me realise, it isn't entirely me. Like Diane says to Bojack "Why can't be happy, am I broken?" I think that illustrates how much we drive ourselves to NEEDING happiness and anything negative is considered almost deviant. But we need to embrace the negative, collectively, that way I believe will help those struggling with feeling that their sadness makes them an outsider from everyone else having a good time. I recommend Wisecracks video on the Happiness Industry (it's the Inside Out, is Joy the real villian video)
Inside/Out is, I’m pretty sure, the only Pixar movie I haven’t watched yet. I’ve heard it’s the most emotionally devastating Pixar film ever and I’m *still* recovering from the junkyard scene from Toy Story 3.
This episode is brutal. Dude, by the end I just wanted to give you a hug, it really does seem that this episode affected you. I also don't believe in an afterlife, I don't really need to feel like I've earned anything in my life, what keeps me moving is the people I've met and how my actions have affected their life and give them good times. Maybe some of them were going through a difficult time and I was with them at the moment. I believe in the power of legacy, what we leave behind and will not get to experience outselves, what we leave behind for the next generation to take, even if I don't get to form a family myself I've helped and taught people things that only I could at that point in time, and even if they don't remember me, I would've caused an impact in this world far beyond of what I could even imagine. Of course I'm afraid of death, no one wants to die, but if I have the chance to at least go peacefully I could at least try to accept that my time has come and I've done enough in life.
Hope you're doing well, and hope you enjoy the last episode. Best wishes from Argentina.
Your virtual hug is felt. And to be honest with you, that’s my only goal in life. I just want to give only good vibes whenever anyone in my life thinks about me. I can’t remember the last time I caused anybody in my life the slightest bit of drama or anxiety. Saying “the real meaning is the friends we made along the way” sounds corny, but it’s legitimately the only thing that brings me happiness. Making other people feel good even if I’m constantly depressed.
Shit, that’s half the reason I even started this channel :)
Hope life is treating you well down there. Thanks for the good juju.
I've watched all of BoJack so many times my friends would automatically assume that I was watching BoJack also I watched this show when I was extremely depressed and it help me relate and made me feel less alone. I'm not saying everyone should watch it if they're depressed but in my experience BoJack helped me in the worst depressive episode I've ever had.
The bird trapped in the house is an omen of death in some cultures. And the black stuff in the doorway is a callback to the "tar pits" conversation BoJack has with Charlotte I think in Season 2.
Yeah, I read up on the bird because I was confused as to her relevance. I also didn’t notice everyone’s “last meals”.
@@BarteNERDS Cool. One other callback that's easy to miss: In Sarah Lynn's reprised version of 'Don't Stop Dancing'. One of the last lyrics spoken is 'a song you taught me when I was small'. That was meant for BoJack based on an early flashback to the set of Horsin' Around where he tells Sarah Lynn to do exactly that:
ua-cam.com/video/sOCp_E6XHHI/v-deo.html
@@nickwittednonpareil I missed a lot of that song because I was too busy thinking of Mabel Pines. Might have been a defense mechanism lol. "Think happy thoughts, Joe. Think happy thoughts."
@@BarteNERDS This episode was layered thick. I missed a ton on first watch and even on rewatches.
It feels... special to see a UA-camr be so open and down to Earth with their audience. No UA-cam act or anything, just raw, deep emotions. I appreciate that a lot. You definitely have my favorite reactions to Bojack Horseman episodes out of all the ones I've seen. They're the only ones that made me want to watch the entire video and not just the episode part.
Like, every time I think about this being "embarrassing" by most people I know's standards, I get a comment like this telling me how much y'all appreciate the realness. Like, I put on a show for the camera, no doubt, but it's my legitimate personality. But every now and then when something fucking sucker punches me or straight up strangles me like this episode did for thirty minutes, it's always nice for MYSELF to see that kind of mushroom-like ego death lmao
Re-watching this episode with you was an amazing experience. Thank you for making this available.
Those are some mighty kind words, friend!
I’ve seen this already and I lost breath when the flat line hit and I always lose my breath when that flat line hits! What an episode!
I feel like I had already accepted it at the flat line so I was just too broken to lose breath, it was when the heartbeat starts up again I broke down. Probably because I never expect good things to happen in Bojack lol
You really out here almost making me cry purely from your reaction to the end of the episode.
Your reaction to the very end was me too. So panicked and thankful he gets another chance.
i did smoke before i watched this episode and had a whole panic attack. still recovering tbh
Yeah, I can't imagine watching this for the first time as blazed as I usually am. I wish you a speedy recovery!
Bojack wrecked me but It also helped me. I personally do recommend it for the depressed. Crackerjacks poem was great suicide perention and not glorifying at all. There were so many relatable, brutally real scenes and made me feel less alone.
*Secretariat's poem
@@chrisj8662 oopsie
The view from halfway down is an incredible poem for suicide prevention and hauntingly accurate in how it describes things from the first person. In my experience you start out so resolute, sure that this it, there's nothing else you can do. Then when you take action there's an awful momentary catharsis, a false sense of relief. Then in that moment you realize, you don't want death, you just wanted it to stop, you don't want to die, you'd never wanted to die. You only get to realize how happy you really are alive in that moment, how all the despair and pressure wasn't real, and then you nearly die and lose everything you realized you care about. It's the most awful thing I've experienced.
It was so interesting to me when you heard secretariat/bojack's dad poem and went "how tf could you recommend this to a depressed person who's thinking about taking their life?", cause the poem and this whole episode were what made my brother recommend it to me, cause he knew I was struggling with depression and suicidal ideation.
It became one of my favorites shows and this is my favorite episode ever. The poem was actually a huge wake up call, the most powerful anti-suicide message I've ever seen and it just made me feel like any other option would be less painful than regretfully having to face the view from halfway down.
I still struggle everyday, but this show changed my relationship with my depression and the poem took me away from the idea of giving up.
It sounds like an counterproductive recommendation for a depressed person but it can actually be a great one.
Ive come to realize my problem is that I was really listening to the words in the poem because that fucking black door kept sending me into anxiety attacks every time the spotlight hit it.
But yeah upon rewatching this episode and really listening, I was totally wrong and that shit would definitely help.
The poem is the best use of suicide prevention. Clawing to live when you’re already basically dead is horrifying. As someone who survived a few attempts I can agree with the message.
“It’s all okay, it would be. If you weren’t now halfway down.”
All your problems and traumas seem bearable in that moment before you go. I had more time to think before I almost was gone and those few moments saved my life.
Everything in the background of the episode calls back other episodes. Or, it’s symbolic of death, like the hydrangeas Bojack gives his mom. One interesting thing nobody seems to mention, is the phone call to Diane. It goes how she wished a phone call to Mr Peanutbutter would go, that he would just ask how her day was and she would say “good” without the need of a follow up question.
And bravo for foreshadowing Bojack drowns in his pool from the very first opening credits.
*Almost* drowns. Damn show giving me heart attack!
Also, good looks on the Diane/PB phonecall wish. The throwbacks in this episode were amazing, these guys put so much effort into the show.
Well, he did flatline, even if it was for a brief moment. I think that qualifies as being dead.
The doorway/inky blackness doesn’t have to be terrifying, it could be soothing if Bojack didn’t start to panic at the view from halfway down and the realization there is no other side. Maybe that’s why Bojack didn’t imagine anyone but Secretariat & Zack Braff as panicking when they went through the door, because to him, everyone else accepted death when it came for them.
@@chrissmith6097 Good point. He *did* die, I retract my previous statement.
Secretariat's poem is probably one of the best pieces of suicide prevention I've ever come across
Diane: "yeah. My day was good"
"ORDER DOMINOES NOW"
Me: *wheeze*
Damn your reaction is sooo genuine!!! Felt the same way when I saw the episode, since it was a lot to Take...keep doing this content!!! Greetings from Guatemala
Thanks. I do feel weird about putting videos about me crying over a cartoon horse on the internet lmao, but seeing everyone appreciate the genuine reaction makes it feel less silly.
I only just realized the "when was I swimming" it's amazing how many details you notice when rewatching this show.
not existing after death is like not existing before you grew in your mothers womb.
being afraid of the first is just your ego.
This channel is sooo underrated, I love that someone else is reacting to this beautiful series, it’s very entertaining :) honestly watching you cry made me cry... This episode is so spectacular but at the same time I never want to see it again.
As I said, it’s the Requiem for a Dream of TV episodes. One of my favorite movies ever and I didn’t watch it for like 7 years after the first time. It’s so well made, has so much to say, and says it so well, but it just takes a baseball bat to any kind of happiness I’m feeling at the time.
Thanks for the love! 😁
BarteNERDS You’re welcome. I can’t wait to watch your reaction to the finale!!
This filled me with more dread than just about anything I’ve ever seen. So affecting and good. Way to be authentic with how you feel bro. That’s how we all felt
Man, I dunno how anyone could watch this episode on camera and *not* give an authentic reaction. This shit is ego death.
I struggle with severe depression and this episode would have helped me a lot in my worst moments. In fact, if there's nothing after death, it's comforting to me. But before making a decision to leave, it's critical to think that you have the "view from halfway down." My fear is regret, but not after death. This episode is perhaps the best suicide prevention advertisement I have ever seen!
the reason bojacks water tasted like chlorine was because during the time he was dying in the pool and drowning he must’ve been choking or whatever on the chlorine pool water
OMG I HAVE TO WATCH ALL UR BOJACK REACTIONS NOW
Yay new friends!
I've had serious clinical depression since I was twelve. Not only am I unbelievably glad I watched this show, THIS episode in particular saved my life. Too many people miss the point of Butterscotch/Secretariet's point because of how severe the scene itself is, but the point was that there'll always be something you'll miss if you decide to end things too soon.
I've found the idea of nothingness after death liberating. As I don't have to worry about that at all. I don't have to leave a legacy, I don't have to be remembered. I don't have to regret, repent. As an atheist I don't have to try to make sense of it all. I get to be as good as I can right here, right now to the people are around me, and that's enough.
Bojack gives a lot of perspective. Amazing episode and series.
Personally I have found this episode very motivating. Anytime I start to have thoughts that are even slightly veering in that direction ‘The view from halfway down’ reminds me: anything in my life can be changed. I can always quit my job and look for another one, I can always decide to save money and go back to school, I can always cut out toxic people in my life, I can always make new friends/relationships that will be supportive, I can always change myself.
I’m not stuck in my life, no single decision is so permanent that I will be completely trapped in a bad life forever. The only decision that is completely permanent is if I decide to give up on life forever. And to me that message is more powerful and effective in stopping those thoughts than anything else I’ve seen or been told
It's so hard to convey to people who haven't seen Bojack why they need to stick around. Like, people will tell me they watched the first season and just didn't care for it, and I have to somehow explain to them that what awaits them is the most life changing, deepest, most insightful show I think I've ever watched.
About a talking horse who back in the 90's was on a very famous TV show and his neighbor Mr. Peanut Butter.
I don’t suffer from depression… I can push away the sadness and always find happiness, but I suffer from existential crisis about every couple years where I have to reconsider my existence… but recently it has changed… I concider myself ominist, I don’t think religion is possible but don’t see it as impossible, the universe makes no sense so any possibility is possible yk… but when it comes to what makes me get through my day, I wake up and think… I am alive, reality and existence is infront of me, this may be the only time I get to experience it… why not just enjoy it? Why worry about what’s to come and just accept what is happening now… my goal in life is to be the best I can… I will be the best version of myself and once I heal from the crisis I look back and I’m glad that I went through it… cause when I process death is when I feel the most alive… I wish all of you a happy and long life… and whatever happens after.
P.S. in my belief I feel like we may live in a simulation or that there is something after cause the term “nothingness” just doesn’t make sense to me… for there to be nothing there has to be something so I feel like there has to be something…
Fun fact: The bird is a sign. There’s a stigma that a bird in the house is a sign of looming death. Getting the bird out of the house is a good sign which is why bojack still woke up. This episode was so goddamn amazing and so well written. The whole series felt like a buildup to this very moment. Bojacks first real confrontation with death
A lot of speculation is the black stuff was tar. "I think you're the tar pit... It doesn't matter where you are, it's who you are and that's not going to change... You can't escape you"
I understand how you'd potentially feel aversion to rewatching the show, or showing it to someone who is depressed or suicidal, on your first watching or the show...
But honestly, it's a good deterrent and maybe you will reconsider that point upon a future rewatch...
The other piece of media is suggest to someone feeling suicidal would be the documentary about people who jumped off of the Golden Gate bridge, which I wouldn't be surprised if said documentary was the inspiration for the poem "the view from halfway down" - a quote from a kid who jumped and lives to tell the tale was incredibly telling and has stayed with me, and he basically said that the moment he jumped he felt like time slowed down and he got instant clarity to realize that all of his problems were temporary and fixable aside from the fact that he had just jumped from the bridge itself.
Powerful stuff. I routinely come back to this episode when I'm feeling down, and hope that it's made a difference for people at their low points in life, as it's done for myself and countless others.
Thanks for the genuine reaction 👍
while i agree that the show as a whole can be triggering for people who struggle with depression and/or addiction, the poem does a better service to the suicide prevention movement than other shows. it shows how the character regretted the decision because he realized that his problems weren’t the end of the world and he would be happy again. most other shows (13 reasons why for example) show the aftermath and affect on their loved ones. it’s not effective and basically saying “well what about your family and friends who will miss you?” and goes along with people saying that they need to stay alive for others and not themselves.
i cried so hard at the is it terrifying secene the delivery the music everything was so sickening but so good i felt so down for days after that episode
Fave show ❤
EDIT: Lol it recommended this vid to me because apparently you’re live, I thought you were streaming your reaction
Well , I waited the whole night living in moscow to finally see that reaction , and I m definitely glad I saw it , I was never emotionally impacted by this show, but it's definitely my favourite one , and for the first time in my life , I can even be proud of this choice .
i dont know how to explain it, but for me that door is like the sky, everytime i look up i see just endless black void. i feel so afraid when im not under a roof
Something that you wouldn't know if you're not from the area, but the bridge secretariat jumps off of is the 2nd st bridge in Louisville and most people that try to commit suicide by jumping into the Ohio don't die on impact, they get stuck at the bottom and drown. Don't know if the creators know that, but read into it as you will.
I too lost my faith after being raised in the church, i find peace in knowing all whove gone before are in less pain then theyve ever felt and im on my way to join them one day. Its not heaven per se, but non existance isnt horrible, its a release from every burden weve ever felt. Its a journey we take alone but its shared by all and i find that comforting
This episode definitely does trigger a depressed feeling. However, I think that's a good thing. The art behind the emotion is raw and beautifully displayed.
Couple of interesting points:
1. When he first walks into the house, He says "Thanks for having me, mom..." Interesting turn of phrase for his mother who he never could reconcile with
2. The poem Secretariat/Butterscotch reads countsdown three to one by person. The first part reads in 3rd person; the second in 2nd person; and the third, before the door is right behind him, simulating his drop to the water, is in the 1st
3. The house goes from his childhood home, to the set of Horsin' Around, to his actual former house.
4. All the people are in his head. Everybody's arguments are him battling within himself. This is probably why Crackerjack can't remember his backstory because Bojack never actually met him, and didn't know much about him. So, he filled in the blanks. Also, Bojack probably, in his mind, made Crackerjack less heroic because Beatrice, who he had a terrible relationship with, idolized him.
5. Butterscotch was never open or loving to Bojack. Him telling him he wished they had a better relationship is Bojack making himself feel better.
6. All of the pictures in the house are pictures that have appeared throughout the series. It's fitting that the one with the sad clown pony opened up to the Horsin' Around set cause that picture embodied him in many ways. One of the pictures, the one where he's looking at himself swimming in the pool, is altered in the dream to show him looking at himself drowned in the pool; a foreshadowing of what happened
7. Charlotte alludes to L.A. being built on black tar, and it eventually consumes everything it touches.
I think it's a good thing if the black door is unsetteling to you, and that should be the goal. It means that you are aware of the time you have, and the time you know you might not get. If the door is terrorfying then watching the episode was good, becurse you know that you havent accepted your mortality yet, and you still have time to work on that. Secretariet feared death right before he died and so the door symbolysing death was very creepy as he read his poem, but Herb had accepted it as he indicadet in "The Telescope" season 1, he had lived a long and happy life, and he knew death was comming when he had cancer. To Herb the door was not a scary thing, just the end of a good thing, for all good things must come to an end. I know that I will put on a great show before my curtan call, so I can face the door with a sad smile, yet a litlle happy now that I know that the end will round things up for my part, and leave somthing good behind...I also fu#/&ng love this show, and I felt the same as you after seeing this episode, tho I have never felt like suiside was THIS scary before, so maybe that one guy giving advice was on to somthing. Consider me new sub, and please react to somthing half this good in the future, Im egerly waiting ;-)
As I said, I *always* feel death tapping on my shoulder. It's as anxiety inducing as it is cathartic which is such an odd way to describe it lol.
I've heard very good things about Infinity Train. Starting it up this weekend. I'm always open to suggestions for new shows, I've just watched a good 80% of everything ever because I have no life.
The definition of meaning is that someone cares (gives meaning) to something. so the whole meaning of life question is answered by what do you care about. Biological life in general just exists to live and expand territory it ocupies. Meaning of conscious mind is specific to every instance of it.
We get it Joe. Don't worry about you "not speaking". We really do get it.
You said life has no meaning. No end goal. But still we can accept the absurdity of it, even thanks to an absurd cartoon about an anthropomorphic horse that involuntary cites Sartre Camus Sisyphus and existentialist philosophy lol
Don't stop doing art, you're an inspiration.
Yeah, like this is the only show where I don't feel like I have to explain myself about certain things that would be awkward on the other reactions.
Bojack fans are a different breed, especially if you made it to this episode.
I dunno about an inspiration, but I'll definitely keep going with the art. I'm just trying to get better at it so I don't have to bartend anymore. I'm too old for late night drunken shenanigans lol
Ok!! Midnight Gospel is perfect follow-up from Bojack Horseman. Minor-spoiler. That episode with his mom is Wow!!!
the last episode of the midnight gospel is actually kind of similar to this episode
@@ajl7704 but different emotions that may give you. But both still grateful to experience it.
This episode destroyed me. It reminded me of how I almost died. Warning imma rant soo skip this if you don't wanna hear a dark rant. I had a breakdown because I have a story that kinda mirrored bojacks. I've dealt with drug abuse since I was 13 and have been fucked up since. Only recently getting sober. My best friend overdosed on oxycontin in front of me and I could've saved him. This came back to haunt me and I tried to commit suicide by slitting my throat. I've been good for a while but this episode dropped me back into that bad time of my life.
ok by yall i gotta go watch this entire show 100 more times
There's worse ways to spend your life.
Corderoy jackson jackson “chocked”
I have to strongly disagree. I come back to this episode in particular when I'm suicidal. Nothing has been more powerful in changing how I feel at the time. Secretariat especially makes me reconsider. The poem is hard to listen to yes but that's the point. Sometimes you need to hear something that you think won't help at all.
I've had a few people tell me something similar and yeah, I can see now how this episode would be a powerful argument against it.
And I'm glad it helps keep you around, I just got done talking in the Vat of Acid reaction that I don't understand for the life of me how this episode didn't win the Emmy.
Literally one of the most powerful half hours of television I ever watched.
@@BarteNERDS I really believe The view From halfway down deserved that emmy. I love Rick and Morty but Bojack outclassed them im every way
Yeah. I genuinely do and have recommended this to people who are struggling especially with suicidal thoughts. That titular poem conveys a feeling i know i felt, and i know so many people like me have felt, the "view from halfway down". And its conveyed with such understanding it pulled me off the edge. It made me feel heard and seen (haha i.c.u.) And it has been something i actually have gone back to more than once. The whole series is so beautifully written it just. *chefs kiss*
Deepest, Darkest, Saddest, Best episode.
Top ten best episodes of TV I've ever watched, *for sure*.
So this episode in particular has actually saved a few people who were contemplating suicide. That uncomfortable feeling that you’re feeling, along with the poem? It gives some really strong second thoughts, and that inspires them to do research. Apparently a lot of people who survive attempted jump deaths absolutely have regrets as soon as they see the view from halfway down.
Did anyone else think that this should have been the last episode of the series?
Your silence is loud. Don't apologize
Yeah, I haven’t watched this in in forever but I can remember how loud that silence was.
Is crackerjack saying “all my kills were friendly fire” him talking about how his death affected those around him ?
This episode better win the fucking Emmy.
It legitimately *pains* me how many people will never experience this episode because “durr talking animal cartoon is stupid”.
Going to disagree with you. Speaking as a jumper who lived. This is PERFECT for someone with suicidal thoughts because it is so fucked up and scary. Ive seen the view from half way down and ive never been so scared and full of regret as it right then. When I hit, i was saved by a stranger. I lived but will forever have physical damage but dear god im so happy to have lived. Even on my worse days i think of that sight and...I wish i could've been scared away by something like this, made uncomfortable, because there is NOTHING romantic about suicide. Im avoiding the graphic details but please believe me, you will regret it too.
Bojack's water tasted like chlorine....
I hope you draw something from this episode for remembrance of not being suicidal.
Bro I thought the same shit I didn’t know if I should Finnish it or not I’m tearing rn homie
Nawww, you gotta! Way less emotionally traumatizing than this one.
*This* was some Requiem for a Dream shit.
That was 3rd time Bojack drowning.. one in intro theme song.. 2nd in a party, peanut butter saves him.. 3rd this one.. even his idol Secreteriat was drown..
I really like the Thought that we arent some immortal Souls that have an Afterlife. It feels good for me, that after death, I just stop existing. That I can stop to think about myself, my life, my relationships, my flaws and all the Problems i had. Existing is wunderful, but it is also Pain. And it calms me to believe that at some Point, I am just not there anymore. That nothing mattered in relation to the long Time Earth existed and will exist. I will make Space for someone new who can make his own Experiences.
Bow jack Horsemen will make you Appreciate life more
I was a Friends superfan, I was a boJack superfan!
when Matthew Perry passed away, the first thought that came to my mind other than complete shock and sadness, was boJack!
I have to wholeheartedly disagree with your opinion about this show not being suitable for people with suicidal thoughts. I don't ever really talk about my personal experiences on UA-cam but The View From Halfway Down saved my life. I was staring at my dad's gun for 2 hours working up the courage to end it all. I was completely alone in my home all week long so I knew no one would be able to interfere with my decision. I remember deciding to finish all my favorite shows before I off myself since I really wanted to see how they ended. Once I made it to Bojack and binged all of Seqson 6, I finally came across this episode. I started getting emotional once Sarah Lynn started singing and walking closer to the doorway but I wasn't ready when I listened to Secritariat's poem. I broke down. I started bawling my eyes out of fear, frustration, & relief all at once. I didn't eat or drink anything for 2 days after watching this episode. I never stopped to realize how genuinely terrifying it would be to make a rash decision and instantly regret it after there's no longer an option to take it all back. I genuinely feel like if I hadn't watched this episode, I would've shot myself and I wouldn't be here today sharing my experience today.
This show has really done a lot for me. I struggled with suicidal idealation for about 4 years before i watched it. I tried going to school councillors, going to mental health groups but somehow i always managed to slip through the net, id get discharged and then id wanna kill myself again. Theyd tell me i didn't have to worry about the small things i used to worry about but they never made me think like this show did. Because before i believed there'd be an afterlife or flipside or something. There is no other side, this is it. That if i jump id regret it halfway down and i won't be able to take it back, there'd be no one there to greet me, there'd be nothing. And its kinda funny im only 17 and can relate to a 40yr old depressed talking horse, but i think that show (and a lot of reflection and wanting to change) finally made me stop wanting to do it.
I'm 16, and I've felt like this for a long time. I feel jaded and old, but this show has brought me a lot of comfort in knowing I'm not alone.
I feel you man, this episode was rly unsettling to watch, but it's okay to step away from media that might be potentially disturbing for you at certain times, even if you feel like you have to finish it (sending virtual hug)
Don't get me wrong, disturbing or not this is one of those episodes I'll think about for the rest of my life.
(And thanks for the hug!)
Agree with you completely on I don't get the point of life. I don't see the point of our existence. This all feels so pointless to me. And I absolutely love this show also.
"In a universe where nothing you do matters, the only thing that matters is what you do."
As someone with a depressive disorder, I think it's a great show. All the bad stuff is stuff I think about on a somewhat regular basis so it's nothing new. Secratariat's speech is powerful and accurately depicts the regret that sets in after a plan for suicide is set in motion. I've attempted suicide multiple times but I've been lucky enough to either be stopped by someone else, or got a glimpse of "the view from halfway down"
This show can get really dark at times, but sometimes you have to face that darkness to truly appreciate the light