@@maruf8919 you send people to prison for crimes in order to deterr others from committing those actions, remove those people from society so they don't keep doing it and rehabilitate those that intitally did it so they don't do it in the future. you just shouldnt punish people merely for the sake of punishing people becuase that makes no sense because free will is a lie.
If I were faced with someone who demanded that I do this; I would become so uncomfortable with them; that I would just make every effort to avoid that person.
What does it mean to "feel like a man/woman"? Does it just mean that in that moment you embody characteristics that are typically associated with the masculine/feminine? If so why can't a male who regularly embodies 'feminine characteristics' still be content being called a man, knowing that he is an outlier? What does it even mean to "identify" as something? I have a hard time taking someone who self-identifies as anything seriously. Not just because it is extremely difficult to truly know yourself (making the confidence with which these self-identified people proclaim their identity suspect to me), but because to identify with anything (and to believe one is correct in saying "I am x") is, in my understanding, a misunderstanding of the word/concept of "identity". Identity is a way to differentiate between people, it allows societies to organize, you can hold people accountable by something like a government issued identity number, their Name, etc, and on an interpersonal level you can decide whom to form associations with, and how to behave towards someone based on the characteristics by which you identify them (for example if you identified someone as grumpy/short tempered, mean-spirited you might be more careful with your word choices, or you might avoid them all together). In both instances (pragmatic organization of society, and interpersonal relationships) identity is not something that you choose, you don't get to decide your institution-issued identity number, and you ultimately don't get to decide how other people see you, although you can adjust your behavior in order to influence how others see you. Male/Female is one of those things that is determined by your chromosomes. Right? Am I high? WTF is all this confusion about?
Every time I delve deep into understanding the gender spectrum and trans psychology... I think just like you! I mean, on one hand we talk about gender stereotypes and how what we define as masculinity and femininity are just social constructs... We still insist that if someone feels things that are stereotypically associated with either masculinity or femininity then they probably are born into the wrong gender.... We still do not know what these things are.... Us girls were always taught that, "girls like pink" and liking pink is a feminine trait but we have come to realize that pink only came to be associated with femininity after the 1940s. This is so hard on me because, I want to be tolerant, I want to sympathize with people even if it's hard for me to understand what they are going through... I want to be a nice person. But I have questions now and with cancel culture I feel like I can't anymore. Thanks for typing that out so comprehensively, you are very articulate. Also, excuse me if I've made mistakes.... English is not my first language.
I think you’re right in your critique towards them using the masculine/feminine spectrum to a level where it would be very hard to apply and super hard to navigate so I'm gonna propose a simpler version. The difference is to be made between sex where one simply can be xx, xy, xyy, xyyy, xyyyy and gender where the masculine/feminine spectrum comes in. The practical implications of having a new gender for every point on that spectrum seem ridiculous but would be most aligned with the different feelings they are experiencing towards their own gender and the most including. But when I analyze it I come to the conclusion that most will lean a bit towards one of the 2 and even though they may be 70/30 I think it would be more practical for them to choose the gender they lean more towards. Because having that many different options seem logistically rough. But then there is the question of those who either feel close to 50/50 or feel like they can’t place themselves on that spectrum at all or those who sway from one side of the spectrum to another every now and then. Here we do need some kind of way for them to identify themselves so the nonbinary and they/them could come in very handy here. I know it’s hard meeting their point of view from a practical standpoint or even a purely logical one but when we see those big trends we need to respect them in order to make them feel included. It’s either that or not having any question about gender at all and instead putting down ones sex chromosomes. I try and think of gender somewhat like sexuality and have found myself understanding their perspectives better. Even though there is arguments against this genderview that aren't exactly unfounded it would be next to impossible to unwind the clock now when there are so many that already has wrapped their identity in this and there seems to be a lot of individuals who feel this way in one way or another.
Male/female is determined by the size of gametes you produce or contain the code to produce, not your chromosomes. So either small (human sperm) or large (human egg).
I think if you want to identify as something that's fine. I would respect your wishes. But you cannot expect everyone to respect it. And like they said, giving extra rights to someone is lessening someone else's rights. You have your right to an opinion, and I have the right to criticize it. You do not have the right to make into law a special treatment because you think differently than others. Personally I don't mind at all if you would like to be called he, or she, or they or them as long as you let me know. If you get upset I use the wrong one, that is your failure to communicate. I am not going to start a conversation with "what pronoun do you like to be called. If you correct me politely I will respect your wishes. As far as making up words, and expecting others to use said words and getting law involved or even slandering that person for it is wrong on many levels.
The thing about that is this whole myth about non binary or trans people losing their shit over people using incorrect pronouns is just that. A myth. In the end, assholes exist in every shape and form. That’s just how humans function. We are as capable of good as we are of evil. I personally have yet to meet a single person who have flipped out over incorrect pronouns. I’ve been corrected, and my ego isn’t big enough to make me feel attacked. If someone just flat out refuses to refer to someone in the way they’re comfortable with, they’re just being inconsiderate assholes. Live and let live. If someone is trying to take your rights, shit on them. But don’t mistake someone correcting you with them taking your rights.
What someone does in their bedroom, with their friends, with their family, is none of my business or concern. When someone tells me that biology doesn't dictate what someone is and that I have to pretend along with them that someone is what they say they are and if I question it I'm an evil, transphobic nazi, then it concerns me. Controlling what you say, think or do in your personal life is completely fair and fine, controlling what everyone else says, thinks and does in their personal life is completely not fair or fine.
@@RufusMGS I agree with you ... I’m gay. I prefer to be called a He ... “most” gay man will refer before the society as a he ... though I don’t know if straight people know but “many” gay guys will refer themselves os to gay male friends as “she” .., granted if a straight person call the same person as a she they will be extremely offended!!! Course not all gay guys are like that. Also in the male gay community we have masculine guys, feminine guys and the ones the can act as both on change accordingly to each relationship. I never read much about this but ... I wonder if there is indeed a gender duplicity underneath ... course I’m only talking about gays guys, I can talk about from my on experience. There are similarities within The Lesbians, as well.
I identify as a Motorbike, my pronoun is "Vrum" (or "vrum vrum" depending on my mood) and obviously, to be respected and feel safe, I need free petrol, streets cleaned of sharp objects and all water falling from the sky (aka rain) to be stopped when Im outside. If you dont this youre a racist, bigot and xenophone. I need this to feel safe. Obey. I have thousands of rights.
@@JP-uq4ii Inaccurate, he had an allergic reaction when they raised his dose ( he had been on it for years) he was on a very small dose and when he was told his wife had terminal cancer his doctor raised the dosage. Peterson was unaware of the risks of Klonopin that his Dr had prescribed to him. He went to Russia to get off Klonopin because all the specialists he saw in the US wanted to put him on some other drug. So kudos to Dr Peterson for going to Russia to detox off all medication. He won't take anything again, lesson learned.
That's a really good argument, though. If somebody tells you that they want you to refer to them as "hir", it should be perfectly okay to say, "Yes, I'll do that if you refer to me as 59127313091108451902495280891 from now on". I live in Finland where the 3rd person is always genderless. For me, it would seem easiest to switch the English expression to use singular they. It seems people using English are already able to decipher singular vs plural "you" correctly so I would assume they can decipher singular vs plural "they", too. And for me, somebody willing to use singular they clearly demonstrates that they are willing to do extra effort not to offend and that should be all that's ever required to avoid being labeled as hate speech.
I just saw a chart of Non-gender-specific pronouns and their use on Wikipedia. If you think Jordan is exaggerating the problem, this daunting list suggests he might have understated the challenges of this new language being mandated by Canadian law.
It's not about the difficulty of learning the new pronouns. It's about forcing people to use certain language in completely subjective scenarios where negotiation between two human beings should be taking place instead. And not only that, there is a huge margin for malicious people to abuse this law. They can take anyone to court over hate speech allegations by simply claiming to be gender fluid or any made up gender they want, and no one can question them, because you can claim to be "adamasgender", and anyone that tries to question that can be accused of discrimination.
The best way someone could make any prospective employer think twice about taking them on is have them play "Guess the brand new gender I made up for myself over breakfast". If you get it wrong, intentionally or accidentally I will be deeply offended and you'll most likely have to pay a hefty fine..
@@byronhayes7315 So you have to ask every person their pronoun everytime you see them because they can change it whenever they want? Yeah thanks, no. You are completely deluded.
@@matthewhall9692 I know the reason why you are insulting me is because you probably don't know what you are talking about. I didn't always either. There are no laws against accidentally misgendering someone. Bill c-16 is an example of that, actually. Harrassment by intentionally and insisting on misgendering can be a crime. Also, most human beings tell you how they want to be referred to in real life, such as sir, ma'am, mister, ms./mrs. Or how to pronounce thier name. People will typically tell you how they want to be referred. What's delusional is this fearmongering of somehow the most marginalized group overall is leveraging their identity over people like the ones in this comment section who are suddenly acting like victims because they maybe have to be considerate of people that are different than them. Names and pronouns are not a big deal at all.
@@byronhayes7315 "Harrassment [sic] by intentionally and insisting on misgendering can be a crime." "Misgendering" is a political concept enforceable only in one direction. If I believe you are a woman, and you believe you are a man, then I think you are misgendering yourself. But you won't go to jail---I will. So this criminalizes not accepting leftist ideology. Political crime. If it's not a big deal, why prosecute us? Why not "be considerate of people that are different than" you?
So what about gender words in French? (not to mention others of the so-called "romance languages") Peterson is Canadian and French is recognized as an official language enforced by the government for Federal employees where Canadians have the right to communication in their preferred language, yet it is replete with gender biases even to articles like masculine "un" and feminine "une" depending on some arbitrary attribution of gender to a given noun. It just seems odd that this never seems to come up in discussions about gender and language. Are there alternate gender neutral articles in French? Should new ones be invented and enforced? Where does it stop? The issue, she is ridiculous.
what i don't understand about the gender pronoun debate is the legal status of just completely ignoring people who get in your face with their demands. i mean my likely response would be 'your pronoun request is a moot point. i have no intention of mentioning you ever again'.
Failing to use their pronouns is considered discrimination. It's prosecutable, or at the very least it can be used to reclassify other actions you may be charged with as a hate crime.
I think Peterson nailed it, the are problems with social constructivism but also it has some strong points. The problem with all this gender fluir staff is that is solipsistic. That's why is maniac
Asking a theist to stop using faith and instead employ logic and reason is a positive injunction that impedes upon their liberty as well. The one noticeable feature of all of this is the immense degree of whining that happens when somebody is asked to consider some kind of change! What's the difference between your personal feeling regarding your gender identity and your personal feeling regarding your relationship to an imaginary god? Both are insubstantial thoughts that exist only in your mind. But we have to accommodate religion by law, do we not? School districts have been sued under "religious freedom" laws...
If you can tell someone's beliefs from their actions, such as if you believe you can fly you will jump off a high place without hesitation, then no one believes misgendering and the pronoun game are actually real things. If you refer to any normal person by the wrong pronouns, it doesn't even register, or at worst doesn't even phase them. Meaning, that is the normal reaction of someone who knows the truth of who/what they are. Therefore we can deduce that if someone has a very divergent reaction, it casts severe doubt on what they profess to believe about themselves. They know the truth, they just don't like it. And they want the rest of the population to also deny the truth.
I m non diary, low lactose product, and a transformers 🤣. Is it absurd Enough?
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of course its a matter of how you choose to describe male and female: if you choose to describe being a man as a massive agglomerate of steoretypes and cliche, well its no wonder that the vast maiority of males wont fit in and can be described asnon binary; And the same thing for women: Im tired to discuss with dumb people
Dude Im an ecuadorian living in chile doing my masters in clinical PSYCH and today we had a sexual diversity workshop and damn I thought sjw werent a thing down here cause i never meet one but i was soo wrong. The professor teaching tthe class was reluctant to recognize a conecction between gender and sex, so basically u can be whatever u want and biology doesnt matter so i was confused and when i spoke about the biological facts i was called closed minded. Nevertheless i got something very valuable is that as a therapist our job is to help this indivual in this journey of finding their identity. So at the end of the day i saw it as u know what i dont understand what u are going through and i disagree that u can change ur sex but i respect u as a human and ill help u find an stable identity that will help you function in the world.
LOL I KNOW ISNT THAT JUST GONE TOO FAR..WELL GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!!!MAYBE IT WOULD BE EASIER TO JUST LOOK AT THEM AND SAY YOUR A GUY OR A GIRL!OR A GUY WHO WEARS GIRLS CLOTHES OR A GIRL WHO HAS SHORT HAIR BUT LIKES WEARING LUMBER JACKETS..OR A GUY THAT LIKES GUYS..AND SO ON..ITS STILL JUST A GUY OR A GIRL ....MALE OR FEMALE ...MAN OR WOMAN....WHAT HAVE WE LET THESE PEOPLE GET US INTO....
I agree people shouldn’t be force to anything... as a gay person I went through a period pos coming out of the closet that I was literally shunt from my family for almost an year out of fear they would take me to a medical facility ( this was back in Brazil, early 90s) so no ... I wouldn’t force people to call me a he, she, zhe or them .. but I think I think if someone asks you to call them what they want it will not hurt you. You can turn your back later, talk to someone else how foolish you think it was ... but, you don’t need to say NO I won’t call you what you ask me. It really doesn’t cost you anything to be nice ! Now if they are rude it’s a different story ... I won’t defend it.
Peterson iterated the crux of his concern when he said; "one person rights is another person's responsibilities". Traditional beliefs are perpetuated by decreasing our ability to consciously respond to people as they are and increasing our automatic unconscious reactions to people based on what we are told that they are supposed to be. Responsibility is a threat to the traditional beliefs. Traditional beliefs require an unwillingness to respond in order to be stuck with traditional beliefs as if they are our only option.
People arent blind; they just have a myopic view and are disengaging because of the short term cost of speaking up. They aren't factoring in the long term cost of being complicit.
Not charges but as a millennial who doesn’t share the same ideologies of my generation I can tell you that I can’t express my self freely without being labeled as a misogynist, homophobic, racist man. The radical left are trying to censor anything and anybody who doesn’t share their views.
I may be entirely wrong, but this is my take on it in the UK. The UK Genders Recognition Act became law in 2004. It meant men claiming gender dysphoria had to live as a woman (impossible unless you are one in my opinion) for two years, and undergo medical procedures and hormonal treatments, before being legally recognised as women . Many men refused but still claimed they were women, and campaigned to get the law changed to accept a man as a woman purely on his say-so. The campaign gradually gained momentum, especially with trancels and Trans Rights Activists. In 2016 a government response to the campaign was published. assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/535764/Government_Response_to_the_Women_and_Equalities_Committee_Report_on_Transgender_Equality.pdf Last year a bill to this effect was put before parliament and rejected. However as medical records are data protected, you have to take a man at his word that he identifies as female. Men like Karen White.
I'm as relieved now that I'm not living in Canada as I am not to be living in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. This is beyond insane. It's almost as if stupidity is some sort of new syndrome yet to be discovered.
YUP ... LOVE THAT GUY ... HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT WE AS A PEOPLE NEED TO EXPOSE AND THAT IS THIS NONE SCIENTIFIC IDEA THAT THERE ARE MORE THEN 2 GENDERS !!!
I am gender fluid and i am so happy this legislative bulshit isnt in Czech Republic. i meet with this supidity in Germany and every time i said i am normal man because i dont want to be associate with this totalitarian behaviour. And as for Gender Pronouns .. is so easy .. i am fine with both ...
As a millennial I can back this up. My generations sensibilities go far beyond my comprehension. These radical ideologies are so bizarre that it scares me to see the US of A going down as the great nation that it is and is still worth saving. But It seems like we’re on a suicide mission.
They don’t and will never have the same audience, not until Peterson can’t engage his critical thinking skills enough to override his religious brainwashing.
Update: 0 people have been arrested since C-16 was passed. While the aim of this law was to add "gender identity and gender expression" to the list of illegal grounds for discrimination, Bill C-16 cannot force anyone to use a specific pronoun. No Canadian has been jailed or fined for using the wrong gender pronoun.
I'm "Gender Capricious". I don't like the fact that I have to decide what gender I am before the situation arises because I am a different gender depending upon various factors. I will be offended if you call me by the wrong gender pronoun. It is my right as Gender Capricious and you better not offend me. So, you'll have to guess what gender I am at the moment and from moment to moment or face some consequences. Because I believe in freedom.
if my friends support this farce, they are no friends of mine. Funny that, my friendlist is not dwindling. Guess it has something to do with having actually competent, highly intellectual friends instead of retards. There are no 71 genders. You can't identify yourself as genderfluid pancake helisexual hemisphere. People with gender dysphoria must be secluded and provided with a lifetime support of lithium, at best.
Alright stormo, how about you and your "competent, highly intellectual friends" seclude yourselves with anime music videos and angst. Me and the rest of the world will get on alright living with this non-problem. Fuck me you're dumb as hell lol.
Storm the Sorrow, oh I’m sorry did I call you the wrong thing? Pretty easy to correct though wasn’t it, weird that I’m not having a breakdown about it... I enjoyed the idea that you’d need 5 years to memorise a list of 71 things as well, you absolute intellectual powerhouse. Anyway, I’ll go and continue to get “fethed”, maybe someday it’ll happen to you if you drop this reactionary shit. P.S I literally have no idea who “Arca” is lol.
Wait, isn't the Christian god supposed to be male gender? Yet it doesn't have a penis, (nor man nipples, probably), right? And doesn't Dr. Peterson believe in a really wibbly variation of the Christian god? (I'm really just picking on him). He's right about the problems of trying to legislate speech.
Postmodernist Jacques Derrida: "deconstruction never had meaning or interest, at least in my eyes, than as a radicalization, that is to say, also within the tradition of a certain Marxism in a certain spirit of Marxism."
Post Modernism is essentially the same thing as communism. In a nutshell, communism was based off of the oppressors versus the oppressed (the business owners versus the working class). In post modernism, it is the oppressor versus the oppressed (white vs coloured, business owners vs working class, etc...) What choice does this kind of policy have, other then to lead to an authoritarian nanny state? Some people may be willing to give up their freedom for the comfort of "government protection", but what happens when the person in charge doesn't like your views?... I think we all know how totalitarian states run, no matter what the initial sentiments
Key is that simply put the structure of the intellectual argument of post-modernism and Marxism are the same, adopted from Marxism -- just with different labels. Its just profoundly lazy thinking. Easy to learn and allows you to win any argument (in your own mind) without much effort. Foolish since it dismisses complexity, creativity and intellectual curiosity.
Why would it be incomprehensible to except that there are people, not only with mixed genitals but some without genitals at all in spite of chromosomes? This recognition is not Marxist while forced outcomes I suppose would be. The spirit of the law is not forced equal outcomes but equal opportunity and equal rights. The Charter says that you can ultimately take a case to the supreme court if you are charged with discrimination or hate speech. Having listened to Dr. Peterson a lot I think at least, part of the problem, extends from things he says like 'I don't automatically respect anyone. They have to earn my respect'. He certainly has the right to think that way but it flies in the face of respect for humanity in general and the democratic notion of giving the benefit of the doubt, in particular. It would seem to be less confrontational to respect people until they cause the loss of respect.
I think Sam Harris has to dumb himself down to talk at all. I dont know of anyone more erudite, articulate and self-aware.. Hes like a mostly benevolent but supremely pragmatic robot when he approaches a subject..
a robot has no thougt process beyound its own programming. it only reiterates what it already has. Im a big fan of harris. But i have to admit after listening to peterson for a while, he is far more in deph of a thinker than any subject ive heard sam on.
dont agree? listen to a few pod casts peterson has been on and watch slowly as most of sams arguements become,..not necessarily wrong but, kind of irrelevant.
Toolrushdrummer It is. Because those books speak volumes on human nature. They also go over many things that people forgot they should be doing. Its just people have all become atheists and refuse to even read it to see if anything relates. Most people hear a few buzzwords and lines from it then blurt them out to make fun of it. And before you comment, no im not a christian.
How? By the admission of the lawyers at the University of Toronto in their own letter (apparently) disagreeing with Peterson, the bill (in tandem with the human rights code) is said to increase legal penalties for certain behaviour when "discriminating" against someone by refusing to use their chosen pronouns. That's literally legally enforced compelled speech. They also say that they think it "unlikely" that it will be used to prosecute pronoun misuse on it's own, meaning it IS possible as the law is written.
"he's been on the senate floor talking about it" So what? His "interpretation" is flat out ridiculous. Nowhere in the act does it state that it's a crime to call someone by an incorrect pronoun. That would be utterly ridiculous and is obviously not true.
Geesh, how about focusing on the joke of a President we have in the U.S. and his Brown Shirts? Isn't that a lot more important? His administration is trying to take us back to the Dark Ages...come on, now.
Can you elaborate on how the president of the US is trying to reverse to the dark ages? As an outsider it seems to be very different, more so a nationalist, populist movement than anything that's focusing where previous presidents didn't and hammer down on support for the homeland than foreign nations like here in the EU.
I agree w you. Both sides can be assholes. One for demanding to be recognized too fast without been more patient... the other for being also intolerant to try changing at least. I think we can learn the new pronouns... but it will time still time to get used to. I think them it’s already starting to catch up ... though I must confess depending of the sentence ... if I’m listening a story... at some point I could get confused if there suddenly a second person in the conversation... so I can see the creation of new pronouns could help to define the person ...
Sam nails it at 16:00, your welcome! I really wish Sam would do an entire podcast on gender and specifically Transgender issues.
Thank you
I don't identify as me, so I am not responsible for my actions :D
My hats off to you, Sir.
you arent anyway, free will is a lie
Lol might as well not punish people for their crimes because it's not really theirs
@@maruf8919 you send people to prison for crimes in order to deterr others from committing those actions, remove those people from society so they don't keep doing it and rehabilitate those that intitally did it so they don't do it in the future.
you just shouldnt punish people merely for the sake of punishing people becuase that makes no sense because free will is a lie.
@OtherWorlds AllWorlds you punish people for the 3 reasons I have mentioned not for it's own sake
If I were faced with someone who demanded that I do this; I would become so uncomfortable with them; that I would just make every effort to avoid that person.
i realize I am pretty randomly asking but does anyone know a good place to stream new movies online ?
which is why literally NO one will request you do this, unless they're so full of themselves you wouldn't want them around anyway
@@augustarcher6407 YIFY Torrents
@@kantraxoikol6914 lol now people regularly ask what their pro nouns are and the world hasn't fallen apart lol
@@alangarcia5693 no one does this. Get real.
What does it mean to "feel like a man/woman"? Does it just mean that in that moment you embody characteristics that are typically associated with the masculine/feminine? If so why can't a male who regularly embodies 'feminine characteristics' still be content being called a man, knowing that he is an outlier? What does it even mean to "identify" as something?
I have a hard time taking someone who self-identifies as anything seriously. Not just because it is extremely difficult to truly know yourself (making the confidence with which these self-identified people proclaim their identity suspect to me), but because to identify with anything (and to believe one is correct in saying "I am x") is, in my understanding, a misunderstanding of the word/concept of "identity". Identity is a way to differentiate between people, it allows societies to organize, you can hold people accountable by something like a government issued identity number, their Name, etc, and on an interpersonal level you can decide whom to form associations with, and how to behave towards someone based on the characteristics by which you identify them (for example if you identified someone as grumpy/short tempered, mean-spirited you might be more careful with your word choices, or you might avoid them all together). In both instances (pragmatic organization of society, and interpersonal relationships) identity is not something that you choose, you don't get to decide your institution-issued identity number, and you ultimately don't get to decide how other people see you, although you can adjust your behavior in order to influence how others see you. Male/Female is one of those things that is determined by your chromosomes. Right? Am I high? WTF is all this confusion about?
Every time I delve deep into understanding the gender spectrum and trans psychology... I think just like you!
I mean, on one hand we talk about gender stereotypes and how what we define as masculinity and femininity are just social constructs... We still insist that if someone feels things that are stereotypically associated with either masculinity or femininity then they probably are born into the wrong gender....
We still do not know what these things are.... Us girls were always taught that, "girls like pink" and liking pink is a feminine trait but we have come to realize that pink only came to be associated with femininity after the 1940s.
This is so hard on me because, I want to be tolerant, I want to sympathize with people even if it's hard for me to understand what they are going through... I want to be a nice person.
But I have questions now and with cancel culture I feel like I can't anymore.
Thanks for typing that out so comprehensively, you are very articulate.
Also, excuse me if I've made mistakes.... English is not my first language.
Because to them, it’s only about breaking down traditional institutions, whether it’s gender, marriage, religion, free speech, etc.
I think you’re right in your critique towards them using the masculine/feminine spectrum to a level where it would be very hard to apply and super hard to navigate so I'm gonna propose a simpler version. The difference is to be made between sex where one simply can be xx, xy, xyy, xyyy, xyyyy and gender where the masculine/feminine spectrum comes in. The practical implications of having a new gender for every point on that spectrum seem ridiculous but would be most aligned with the different feelings they are experiencing towards their own gender and the most including. But when I analyze it I come to the conclusion that most will lean a bit towards one of the 2 and even though they may be 70/30 I think it would be more practical for them to choose the gender they lean more towards. Because having that many different options seem logistically rough. But then there is the question of those who either feel close to 50/50 or feel like they can’t place themselves on that spectrum at all or those who sway from one side of the spectrum to another every now and then. Here we do need some kind of way for them to identify themselves so the nonbinary and they/them could come in very handy here. I know it’s hard meeting their point of view from a practical standpoint or even a purely logical one but when we see those big trends we need to respect them in order to make them feel included. It’s either that or not having any question about gender at all and instead putting down ones sex chromosomes. I try and think of gender somewhat like sexuality and have found myself understanding their perspectives better. Even though there is arguments against this genderview that aren't exactly unfounded it would be next to impossible to unwind the clock now when there are so many that already has wrapped their identity in this and there seems to be a lot of individuals who feel this way in one way or another.
Male/female is determined by the size of gametes you produce or contain the code to produce, not your chromosomes. So either small (human sperm) or large (human egg).
You're not high, you're just sane. Unlike THEM.
the SJW's need to learn from the comic con people on how to properly indulge in fantasy
DAMN that's good......when i dress in star trek uniform, i expect to be called CAPTAIN. if my pants are off i expect to be called CAPTAIN OBVIOUS
I identify as a peacock, if you don't comply with my imagination it will ruffle my feathers.
Brilliant!
What feathers?
Act like it..
I think if you want to identify as something that's fine. I would respect your wishes. But you cannot expect everyone to respect it. And like they said, giving extra rights to someone is lessening someone else's rights. You have your right to an opinion, and I have the right to criticize it. You do not have the right to make into law a special treatment because you think differently than others. Personally I don't mind at all if you would like to be called he, or she, or they or them as long as you let me know. If you get upset I use the wrong one, that is your failure to communicate. I am not going to start a conversation with "what pronoun do you like to be called. If you correct me politely I will respect your wishes. As far as making up words, and expecting others to use said words and getting law involved or even slandering that person for it is wrong on many levels.
Chad Spencer:
They may not have the right, but in Canada they have the power.
Here, since I listened to yours, see if you can understand this: ua-cam.com/video/x6I7ZM07qGY/v-deo.html
The thing about that is this whole myth about non binary or trans people losing their shit over people using incorrect pronouns is just that. A myth. In the end, assholes exist in every shape and form. That’s just how humans function. We are as capable of good as we are of evil. I personally have yet to meet a single person who have flipped out over incorrect pronouns. I’ve been corrected, and my ego isn’t big enough to make me feel attacked. If someone just flat out refuses to refer to someone in the way they’re comfortable with, they’re just being inconsiderate assholes. Live and let live. If someone is trying to take your rights, shit on them. But don’t mistake someone correcting you with them taking your rights.
What someone does in their bedroom, with their friends, with their family, is none of my business or concern.
When someone tells me that biology doesn't dictate what someone is and that I have to pretend along with them that someone is what they say they are and if I question it I'm an evil, transphobic nazi, then it concerns me.
Controlling what you say, think or do in your personal life is completely fair and fine, controlling what everyone else says, thinks and does in their personal life is completely not fair or fine.
@@RufusMGS I agree with you ... I’m gay. I prefer to be called a He ... “most” gay man will refer before the society as a he ... though I don’t know if straight people know but “many” gay guys will refer themselves os to gay male friends as “she” .., granted if a straight person call the same person as a she they will be extremely offended!!! Course not all gay guys are like that. Also in the male gay community we have masculine guys, feminine guys and the ones the can act as both on change accordingly to each relationship. I never read much about this but ... I wonder if there is indeed a gender duplicity underneath ... course I’m only talking about gays guys, I can talk about from my on experience. There are similarities within The Lesbians, as well.
I identify as a Motorbike, my pronoun is "Vrum" (or "vrum vrum" depending on my mood) and obviously, to be respected and feel safe, I need free petrol, streets cleaned of sharp objects and all water falling from the sky (aka rain) to be stopped when Im outside.
If you dont this youre a racist, bigot and xenophone. I need this to feel safe.
Obey. I have thousands of rights.
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Godly humour
Is it ok to call a grown-up man miss?
Lol, This guy Peterson is admitted to a rehab facility in Russia for overdosing Klonopin.
@@JP-uq4ii Inaccurate, he had an allergic reaction when they raised his dose ( he had been on it for years) he was on a very small dose and when he was told his wife had terminal cancer his doctor raised the dosage. Peterson was unaware of the risks of Klonopin that his Dr had prescribed to him. He went to Russia to get off Klonopin because all the specialists he saw in the US wanted to put him on some other drug. So kudos to Dr Peterson for going to Russia to detox off all medication. He won't take anything again, lesson learned.
17:15 "I want to be addressed by a 16-digit number..." Hilarious. Sam is the man.
😂😂
That's a really good argument, though.
If somebody tells you that they want you to refer to them as "hir", it should be perfectly okay to say, "Yes, I'll do that if you refer to me as 59127313091108451902495280891 from now on".
I live in Finland where the 3rd person is always genderless. For me, it would seem easiest to switch the English expression to use singular they. It seems people using English are already able to decipher singular vs plural "you" correctly so I would assume they can decipher singular vs plural "they", too.
And for me, somebody willing to use singular they clearly demonstrates that they are willing to do extra effort not to offend and that should be all that's ever required to avoid being labeled as hate speech.
I just saw a chart of Non-gender-specific pronouns and their use on Wikipedia. If you think Jordan is exaggerating the problem, this daunting list suggests he might have understated the challenges of this new language being mandated by Canadian law.
It's not about the difficulty of learning the new pronouns. It's about forcing people to use certain language in completely subjective scenarios where negotiation between two human beings should be taking place instead. And not only that, there is a huge margin for malicious people to abuse this law. They can take anyone to court over hate speech allegations by simply claiming to be gender fluid or any made up gender they want, and no one can question them, because you can claim to be "adamasgender", and anyone that tries to question that can be accused of discrimination.
Is that a 1980s CRT behind Jordan?
I identify as he/him.....but people jst tend to call me asshole 🤷♂️
The best way someone could make any prospective employer think twice about taking them on is have them play "Guess the brand new gender I made up for myself over breakfast".
If you get it wrong, intentionally or accidentally I will be deeply offended and you'll most likely have to pay a hefty fine..
They could just be respectful and ask. Then they don't have to guess.
@@byronhayes7315 So you have to ask every person their pronoun everytime you see them because they can change it whenever they want? Yeah thanks, no. You are completely deluded.
@@matthewhall9692 I know the reason why you are insulting me is because you probably don't know what you are talking about. I didn't always either. There are no laws against accidentally misgendering someone. Bill c-16 is an example of that, actually. Harrassment by intentionally and insisting on misgendering can be a crime.
Also, most human beings tell you how they want to be referred to in real life, such as sir, ma'am, mister, ms./mrs. Or how to pronounce thier name. People will typically tell you how they want to be referred.
What's delusional is this fearmongering of somehow the most marginalized group overall is leveraging their identity over people like the ones in this comment section who are suddenly acting like victims because they maybe have to be considerate of people that are different than them. Names and pronouns are not a big deal at all.
@@byronhayes7315 "Harrassment [sic] by intentionally and insisting on misgendering can be a crime."
"Misgendering" is a political concept enforceable only in one direction. If I believe you are a woman, and you believe you are a man, then I think you are misgendering yourself. But you won't go to jail---I will.
So this criminalizes not accepting leftist ideology. Political crime. If it's not a big deal, why prosecute us? Why not "be considerate of people that are different than" you?
So what about gender words in French? (not to mention others of the so-called "romance languages") Peterson is Canadian and French is recognized as an official language enforced by the government for Federal employees where Canadians have the right to communication in their preferred language, yet it is replete with gender biases even to articles like masculine "un" and feminine "une" depending on some arbitrary attribution of gender to a given noun. It just seems odd that this never seems to come up in discussions about gender and language. Are there alternate gender neutral articles in French? Should new ones be invented and enforced? Where does it stop? The issue, she is ridiculous.
For neuter nouns in French, they just use the masculine pronoun.
@@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559 Ah yes the Star Trek solution.
what i don't understand about the gender pronoun debate is the legal status of just completely ignoring people who get in your face with their demands. i mean my likely response would be 'your pronoun request is a moot point. i have no intention of mentioning you ever again'.
Failing to use their pronouns is considered discrimination. It's prosecutable, or at the very least it can be used to reclassify other actions you may be charged with as a hate crime.
I think Peterson nailed it, the are problems with social constructivism but also it has some strong points. The problem with all this gender fluir staff is that is solipsistic. That's why is maniac
Gender Fluid sounds like X men
The law passed. How many people have been hauled off to the Canadian Gulags?
0. Jordan Peterson rallied a lot of fear mongering around this.
Imagine a leftist judge.
"Your honour, I no longer identify as the murderer"
"Oh in that case you're free to go, case dismissed."
Asking a theist to stop using faith and instead employ logic and reason is a positive injunction that impedes upon their liberty as well. The one noticeable feature of all of this is the immense degree of whining that happens when somebody is asked to consider some kind of change! What's the difference between your personal feeling regarding your gender identity and your personal feeling regarding your relationship to an imaginary god? Both are insubstantial thoughts that exist only in your mind. But we have to accommodate religion by law, do we not? School districts have been sued under "religious freedom" laws...
If you can tell someone's beliefs from their actions, such as if you believe you can fly you will jump off a high place without hesitation, then no one believes misgendering and the pronoun game are actually real things. If you refer to any normal person by the wrong pronouns, it doesn't even register, or at worst doesn't even phase them. Meaning, that is the normal reaction of someone who knows the truth of who/what they are. Therefore we can deduce that if someone has a very divergent reaction, it casts severe doubt on what they profess to believe about themselves. They know the truth, they just don't like it. And they want the rest of the population to also deny the truth.
im pretty liberal on lots of things but not on this
Same. Pronouns are absurd
My thanks to you. i was looking for something like This.
My pronouns are all the digits of pi, and all the digits of the square root of two. Good luck.
I m non diary, low lactose product, and a transformers 🤣. Is it absurd Enough?
of course its a matter of how you choose to describe male and female: if you choose to describe being a man as a massive agglomerate of steoretypes and cliche, well its no wonder that the vast maiority of males wont fit in and can be described asnon binary; And the same thing for women: Im tired to discuss with dumb people
Dude Im an ecuadorian living in chile doing my masters in clinical PSYCH and today we had a sexual diversity workshop and damn I thought sjw werent a thing down here cause i never meet one but i was soo wrong. The professor teaching tthe class was reluctant to recognize a conecction between gender and sex, so basically u can be whatever u want and biology doesnt matter so i was confused and when i spoke about the biological facts i was called closed minded. Nevertheless i got something very valuable is that as a therapist our job is to help this indivual in this journey of finding their identity. So at the end of the day i saw it as u know what i dont understand what u are going through and i disagree that u can change ur sex but i respect u as a human and ill help u find an stable identity that will help you function in the world.
YEA ... BUT THEY SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FORCE ME INTO BELIEVING THAT WHICH I BELIEVE S NOT TRUE !!!
LOL I KNOW ISNT THAT JUST GONE TOO FAR..WELL GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!!!MAYBE IT WOULD BE EASIER TO JUST LOOK AT THEM AND SAY YOUR A GUY OR A GIRL!OR A GUY WHO WEARS GIRLS CLOTHES OR A GIRL WHO HAS SHORT HAIR BUT LIKES WEARING LUMBER JACKETS..OR A GUY THAT LIKES GUYS..AND SO ON..ITS STILL JUST A GUY OR A GIRL ....MALE OR FEMALE ...MAN OR WOMAN....WHAT HAVE WE LET THESE PEOPLE GET US INTO....
I agree people shouldn’t be force to anything... as a gay person I went through a period pos coming out of the closet that I was literally shunt from my family for almost an year out of fear they would take me to a medical facility ( this was back in Brazil, early 90s) so no ... I wouldn’t force people to call me a he, she, zhe or them .. but I think I think if someone asks you to call them what they want it will not hurt you. You can turn your back later, talk to someone else how foolish you think it was ... but, you don’t need to say NO I won’t call you what you ask me. It really doesn’t cost you anything to be nice ! Now if they are rude it’s a different story ... I won’t defend it.
@@Horus070 I will NEVER be forced to say things I do not believe to be true. That costs me a lot. It costs me my integrity. My word. My honor.
Nature will win, regardless of your beliefs and agendas.
Peterson iterated the crux of his concern when he said; "one person rights is another person's responsibilities".
Traditional beliefs are perpetuated by decreasing our ability to consciously respond to people as they are
and increasing our automatic unconscious reactions to people based on what we are told that they are supposed to be.
Responsibility is a threat to the traditional beliefs. Traditional beliefs require an unwillingness to respond in order to be
stuck with traditional beliefs as if they are our only option.
This aged incredibly well. People being canceled left and right over slightest things, losing their jobs yet we stay remain blind.
People arent blind; they just have a myopic view and are disengaging because of the short term cost of speaking up. They aren't factoring in the long term cost of being complicit.
I want to change my race and species
Imagine someone having the pronouns massa/massa's.
Yoga is the cessation of identifying with the movements arising within consciousness.
How can someone prove that you mis gendered them to get you in trouble? "Idk what he's talkn about officer uhh oops I mean they, err uh zi...shit"
Has anyone yet been charged or fined or jailed for misuse of gender pronouns?
I think you can get a fine in New York and canida
People have lost there jobs over this. Obviously they were doctors mostly.
Not charges but as a millennial who doesn’t share the same ideologies of my generation I can tell you that I can’t express my self freely without being labeled as a misogynist, homophobic, racist man. The radical left are trying to censor anything and anybody who doesn’t share their views.
can anyone tell me where this all began? seriously. this gender identifications?
Janewomanpower from what I understand, about 1948 from the French sociologist writer Simone de Beauvoir.
mmm? madame beauvoir eh?
Google it and be prepared to be shocked.
It started with girl/boy and man/woman and then went from there.
I may be entirely wrong, but this is my take on it in the UK.
The UK Genders Recognition Act became law in 2004. It meant men claiming gender dysphoria had to live as a woman (impossible unless you are one in my opinion) for two years, and undergo medical procedures and hormonal treatments, before being legally recognised as women . Many men refused but still claimed they were women, and campaigned to get the law changed to accept a man as a woman purely on his say-so. The campaign gradually gained momentum, especially with trancels and Trans Rights Activists. In 2016 a government response to the campaign was published. assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/535764/Government_Response_to_the_Women_and_Equalities_Committee_Report_on_Transgender_Equality.pdf
Last year a bill to this effect was put before parliament and rejected. However as medical records are data protected, you have to take a man at his word that he identifies as female. Men like Karen White.
Hello Sam harris
Sam (on pronouns): “It makes me feel like I don’t understand something about it.“ I laughed at him being flummoxed by not understanding something.
I think Abbot and Costello's "who's on first but could be effectively recreated w pronouns". Just saying. Lol
I'm as relieved now that I'm not living in Canada as I am not to be living in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. This is beyond insane. It's almost as if stupidity is some sort of new syndrome yet to be discovered.
Jordan Peterson = my hero
YUP ... LOVE THAT GUY ... HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT WE AS A PEOPLE NEED TO EXPOSE AND THAT IS THIS NONE SCIENTIFIC IDEA THAT THERE ARE MORE THEN 2 GENDERS !!!
What about gender neutral?
Maybe gender is a concept without merit. Would you explain the merits of gender for me?
Procreation. I don't believe there is a species that can procreate with only one gender involved
Sex is a biological reality while gender is a social/cultural construct. So, animals do not have gender except for the human animal.
I avoid the whole gender issue by referring to people by their sex not by their "gender".
I am gender fluid and i am so happy this legislative bulshit isnt in Czech Republic. i meet with this supidity in Germany and every time i said i am normal man because i dont want to be associate with this totalitarian behaviour. And as for Gender Pronouns .. is so easy .. i am fine with both ...
sam, can you still not afford a webcam?
vuk vuksanovic are you from Montenegro?
Good one.
He has been demonetized so money may be short.
Why aren't these people running the universities?
millennials (note": not all) were not off human birth. they were farted out into the world
As a millennial I can back this up. My generations sensibilities go far beyond my comprehension. These radical ideologies are so bizarre that it scares me to see the US of A going down as the great nation that it is and is still worth saving. But It seems like we’re on a suicide mission.
I identify as an egotistical zombie and my pronoun is ME.
I identify as a human male.
liquid cyberpunk You'll need this: *throws flame shield*
great viewpoints!
Sam Harris looks like Ben Stiller
lol ... yes ... and he knows it too ... he has commented about it
I identify as"His Divine Shawarma"
I love it
what are your prefered pronouns?
I identify as ZHER Divine Shawarma III
I fucking love shawarma
Interesting
freaks!
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Two giants.
lol, Sam is worried that Jordan is stealing his audience
They don’t and will never have the same audience, not until Peterson can’t engage his critical thinking skills enough to override his religious brainwashing.
who is this eel wilson from 30 years ago @ 15:20?
Zach eEl. E.O.Wilson
I absolutely love Dr. PETERSON but I feel sam is on the right side of this argument
Update: 0 people have been arrested since C-16 was passed. While the aim of this law was to add "gender identity and gender expression" to the list of illegal grounds for discrimination, Bill C-16 cannot force anyone to use a specific pronoun. No Canadian has been jailed or fined for using the wrong gender pronoun.
Why have the legislation at all if it's not enforced in practice?
(4:20)
I identify as an attack helicopter
That's not a gender construct, so I don't recognize your identity.
If I identify as a woman can I go into a girls locker room? 😂
You would see many more triggered feminists here if they could actually understand what Harris and Peterson are saying.
I'm "Gender Capricious". I don't like the fact that I have to decide what gender I am before the situation arises because I am a different gender depending upon various factors.
I will be offended if you call me by the wrong gender pronoun. It is my right as Gender Capricious and you better not offend me.
So, you'll have to guess what gender I am at the moment and from moment to moment or face some consequences.
Because I believe in freedom.
lol nice
Mel Finehout lll
Mel Finehou
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I identify JP as a modern day huckster televangelist who drank his own Kool Aid.
Jordan, can you shut up? Let Sam talk.
I identify as 'master', and don't you forget it!
These “I identity as a...” jokes are still funny guys. Don’t worry if your ever dwindling number of friends tell you different.
Swamp Brain I wouldn’t want to associate myself with people who support transgender and sjw ideology anyway if that was even the case.
lol "I never wanted friends anyway!!" Cheers for the input there Jace. Make sure you keep dodging that "transgender and sjw ideology."
if my friends support this farce, they are no friends of mine. Funny that, my friendlist is not dwindling. Guess it has something to do with having actually competent, highly intellectual friends instead of retards.
There are no 71 genders.
You can't identify yourself as genderfluid pancake helisexual hemisphere.
People with gender dysphoria must be secluded and provided with a lifetime support of lithium, at best.
Alright stormo, how about you and your "competent, highly intellectual friends" seclude yourselves with anime music videos and angst. Me and the rest of the world will get on alright living with this non-problem. Fuck me you're dumb as hell lol.
Storm the Sorrow, oh I’m sorry did I call you the wrong thing? Pretty easy to correct though wasn’t it, weird that I’m not having a breakdown about it...
I enjoyed the idea that you’d need 5 years to memorise a list of 71 things as well, you absolute intellectual powerhouse. Anyway, I’ll go and continue to get “fethed”, maybe someday it’ll happen to you if you drop this reactionary shit.
P.S I literally have no idea who “Arca” is lol.
Sudden question i asked myself!
If hillary would've won in 2016, do you guys think preferred pronouns would have become mandatory in the usa aswel??
I support trans rights and acknowledge transgenderism is real and surgery helps them and agree that the government shouldn't have that much power.
Wait, isn't the Christian god supposed to be male gender?
Yet it doesn't have a penis, (nor man nipples, probably), right?
And doesn't Dr. Peterson believe in a really wibbly variation of the Christian god? (I'm really just picking on him).
He's right about the problems of trying to legislate speech.
I identify as a black void dragon from Andromeda and you must henceforth refer to me as one.
DeepSpaceNinja I like that
DeepSpaceNinja that's badass
That's fine by me
That's not a gender/social construct, so I don't recognize that.
I don't understand why Peterson keeps putting post-modernists and Marxists in the same boat. He should know better, but then so should Harris.
Postmodernist Jacques Derrida: "deconstruction never had meaning or interest, at least in my eyes, than as a radicalization, that is to say, also within the tradition of a certain Marxism in a certain spirit of Marxism."
Vaska X Tumir actually he's saying all post modernists are Marxist or became marxist, because if they didn't they would simply be nihilists.
Post Modernism is essentially the same thing as communism. In a nutshell, communism was based off of the oppressors versus the oppressed (the business owners versus the working class). In post modernism, it is the oppressor versus the oppressed (white vs coloured, business owners vs working class, etc...) What choice does this kind of policy have, other then to lead to an authoritarian nanny state? Some people may be willing to give up their freedom for the comfort of "government protection", but what happens when the person in charge doesn't like your views?... I think we all know how totalitarian states run, no matter what the initial sentiments
Key is that simply put the structure of the intellectual argument of post-modernism and Marxism are
the same, adopted from Marxism -- just with different labels. Its just profoundly lazy thinking. Easy to learn
and allows you to win any argument (in your own mind) without much effort. Foolish since it dismisses
complexity, creativity and intellectual curiosity.
That is not a logical stance, Twenty Faces. In fact it is a logical fallacy.
Why would it be incomprehensible to except that there are people, not only with mixed genitals but some without genitals at all in spite of chromosomes? This recognition is not Marxist while forced outcomes I suppose would be. The spirit of the law is not forced equal outcomes but equal opportunity and equal rights. The Charter says that you can ultimately take a case to the supreme court if you are charged with discrimination or hate speech. Having listened to Dr. Peterson a lot I think at least, part of the problem, extends from things he says like 'I don't automatically respect anyone. They have to earn my respect'. He certainly has the right to think that way but it flies in the face of respect for humanity in general and the democratic notion of giving the benefit of the doubt, in particular. It would seem to be less confrontational to respect people until they cause the loss of respect.
Thank God for Jordan Peterson
Fuck you. Don't thank me. He is probably one of the least intellectual people I have had the displeasure of listening to.
When he explains post-modernism, Peterson is at his best. He's really good at doing that.
mothman84 he's horrible at explaining it. having the rights to shit on people isn't anything new it's called being white xD
Does Peterson have cancer? He's lost a lot of weight
Probably, based on the amount of feminists on his campus.
You don't just lose hair and neurones by trying to communicate with a SJW.
He's talked in videos about him not eating hardly any carbs any more because he was getting over weight and this made him lose the extra pounds
I like Sam Harris dumbing down for the people he invites on his podcast.
I think Sam Harris has to dumb himself down to talk at all. I dont know of anyone more erudite, articulate and self-aware.. Hes like a mostly benevolent but supremely pragmatic robot when he approaches a subject..
a robot has no thougt process beyound its own programming. it only reiterates what it already has. Im a big fan of harris. But i have to admit after listening to peterson for a while, he is far more in deph of a thinker than any subject ive heard sam on.
dont agree? listen to a few pod casts peterson has been on and watch slowly as most of sams arguements become,..not necessarily wrong but, kind of irrelevant.
@@DmanDice yeah, Peterson's biblical series is so... relevant..
Toolrushdrummer
It is. Because those books speak volumes on human nature. They also go over many things that people forgot they should be doing. Its just people have all become atheists and refuse to even read it to see if anything relates. Most people hear a few buzzwords and lines from it then blurt them out to make fun of it. And before you comment, no im not a christian.
I identify as a beach ball
Peterson: ‘If you keep extending rights, all you do is weaken them’. True.
JP either misunderstood or deliberately misrepresented the goal and effects of bill c16.
Both
How? By the admission of the lawyers at the University of Toronto in their own letter (apparently) disagreeing with Peterson, the bill (in tandem with the human rights code) is said to increase legal penalties for certain behaviour when "discriminating" against someone by refusing to use their chosen pronouns. That's literally legally enforced compelled speech. They also say that they think it "unlikely" that it will be used to prosecute pronoun misuse on it's own, meaning it IS possible as the law is written.
Ignorance isn't a difference of opinion. For a guy who has never read Bill C-16, he sure thinks he is an expert.
"he's been on the senate floor talking about it"
So what? His "interpretation" is flat out ridiculous. Nowhere in the act does it state that it's a crime to call someone by an incorrect pronoun. That would be utterly ridiculous and is obviously not true.
you know nothing about this bill its incredibly contrary to itself, easy to misinterpret, and bendable u fool listen to this man
how do you know he hasn't read it? #time traveler # mind reader
Steve he's read it...and you should read 1984.
@@joem3082 It says EXACTLY that.
Geesh, how about focusing on the joke of a President we have in the U.S. and his Brown Shirts? Isn't that a lot more important? His administration is trying to take us back to the Dark Ages...come on, now.
Amy Thompson He got elected in part because of this horseshit dumbo.
Amy Thompson ....wow...
Can you elaborate on how the president of the US is trying to reverse to the dark ages? As an outsider it seems to be very different, more so a nationalist, populist movement than anything that's focusing where previous presidents didn't and hammer down on support for the homeland than foreign nations like here in the EU.
I just really don't care. If someone asks me to call them something that's not ridiculous I will try to do that because I'm not an asshole.
D Mc that’s all it comes down too! People are just cunts really haha. Fight fire with fire. I will respect you if you respect me.
I agree w you. Both sides can be assholes. One for demanding to be recognized too fast without been more patient... the other for being also intolerant to try changing at least. I think we can learn the new pronouns... but it will time still time to get used to. I think them it’s already starting to catch up ... though I must confess depending of the sentence ... if I’m listening a story... at some point I could get confused if there suddenly a second person in the conversation... so I can see the creation of new pronouns could help to define the person ...
A man asking you to call him a woman IS ridiculous, you asshole.
He's being alarmist about this. It's just not true.