Is that a dolly shot? Excellent. Too much production can interfere with the audience's ability to follow the discussion, but you're finding a great balance.
Looks like a good one , Thanks . That guy got blasted off his high horse , seems to try and play it down . Big ego . A bit of humility is a good thing .
Hey Chris, just wanted to say its such a good move to warm people up with clips before instead of after the podcast. Something Joe could learn from. (although I don't think he cares haha). Thank you so much for being such a wellrounded and intelligent man. Truly inspiring ❤
I was an atheist from the start and still am. I've consumed about 500 hours of Sam Harris content first, then started listening to Jordan Peterson. Harris taught me how to notice and uderstand my emotions and how to be happy with the present moment. Peterson taught me what my long-term priorities and needs are and helped me understand how to live in a way that is more productive to society. Listening to Harris was intelectualy stimulating, but did not really impact my life in a big way, other than making me a bit more happy in general. Listening to Peterson completely transformed the way I live and actualy "changed my life", making me a better person in all aspects of life.
"Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime." The long game is harder, but the benefits you reap will come in due time with interest.
'They needed some language to help them midwife their delivery into the clear light of reason' - this is an insightful recognition of where much of his value lands. For myself, listening to the likes of Sam, Dawkins, Hitchens and Fry, helped me clarify my thoughts on the role the religion played, and is playing in the world. I cannot thank them enough. There is no more powerful gift that I can think of, than leading others to think in a rational way.
The Catholic church should have canonized Galileo and his "revelations" from God. The church should have become the new center of further studies in that direction. It would have saved the church's credibility, it could have saved the world much pain and suffering.
The Church's rejection of Galileo's theories are overstated. I'm not saying it was right, but it wasn't because they were dummies The current solar system was redone so many times before and after Galileo that it's very subjective. It's hard to find the info because it's taboo, but look this up. It's also absolutely provable that the individual and the earth are cosmologically, not mathematically, the center of the universe affecting everything in their orbit, which is corroborated by manifestation, as well as Chinese mystics. They were both correct, although the mechanical universe as measured may still not be accurate.
I think he also said that speaking to SH about religion was like speaking to a really intelligent 9 year old about it. Agree though both are great and would love to see them debate/chat again soon.
Sam was my gateway into bettering my life about six years ago where he taught me to become more spiritual and subsequently spend hundreds of hours meditating. This opened my mind to the possibility of a more meaningful and purposeful life by changing my orientation to it. I then found Peterson where I spent hundreds of hours consuming his content and seeing him live, twice, and feel the development I made by listening to Sam and through meditation allowed me to deeply hear Petersons message and change the way I live my life, not just the way I feel about my life. I’ve woken up with the explicit goal of bettering myself for the sake of my future and those around me for several years now, thanks to these intellectual titans.
Alex this is absolutely wonderful. I have experienced the exact happening. After a few weeks of tuning into the quiet (through Sam's wisdom and accumulated knowledge) so much of Peterson's deep work and analysis started to resonate. Both intellectuals are, in many ways, two sides of some same coin. As Peterson swims beneath, Harris gives the hefty anchor with which to ground oneself among the lofty tides of self- inquiry.
You have described my experience almost exactly. I spent nearly a decade following meditative practice. Sam Harris was a large part of that. When I found Peterson I was older - late 30's - and I got on a plane to see him in Holland. I saw him again live (with Harris) in Dublin. Both served as important guides and father figures to me
@cabalpaxiarch7239 Amazing that you recommend reading. Have you read Sam and Jordan's books? Likely not. While you've done it softly, you have revealed a political bias, not an intellectual one. Reading those books is a good part of intellectual discovery and so is Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson. Oh, by the way, they have proven their pedigree by having a positive effect on thousands and thousands of lives. How many people look to you? Yeah, maybe not that many huh?
I wish someone like Sam would talk about Peterson before and after his severe medical problems. It seems as if JP has gone in a different direction since.
@@TakingTheMikehe actually starting see the life itself from a different perspective. He is the only one that are able to talk what he felt, not others like you. Much respect to Jordan, he become more humble, wise and emotional.
@@jonathansurovell3516I'm a POC too but don't want a black Bond too. That's just stupid virtue signaling. What else exactly do you have a problem with concerning Jordan Peterson? I personally lost interest because he's increasingly going into the religious direction which I don't care too much for. His stuff on psychology is still excellent though.
Respecful debate between intellects has always been a treasure. There hasn't been enough of it. These days, if people disagree they just hurl ugly insults.
@@OrwellsHousecat Every time I hear him speak I find him to be quite intelligent and well spoken, but the endless false conspiracy nonsense, the fact that he refuses to address or apologise for it when it's inevitably proven to be false. It just gets tiresome after a while.
@@davidhughes8795rovide example of where Maajid goes off the plantation, a$$hole. It's not that hard. I'm not even a fan of his but back your shit up.
Imagine Joe Rogan, one of the dumbest people on the planet, saying he still has hope for Sam Harris, one of the smartest people on the planet. It just makes my brain hurt.
We need intellectuals who can rapidly adapt and change their minds on things. Sam and Jordan debates were great because they were challenging. They should discuss NON-religious/NON-atheist topics simply due to how eloquent they both are.
Real psychology can take many forms in the world. The psychology that occupies a place inside of many (not all) religions is the same psychology needed to unite a man's understanding of everything he knows and infers from the world, including all scientific thought. There is a cohesive realty that exists above all our 'sciences' and also above philosophy and art and religion, etc... These divisions are artificial, because the study of man from the viewpoint of his real possibility of inner change, ie. from real Psychology, is the oldest & most relevant science to us. A man can begin to see this more cohesive reality, and this is in reality what everyone is striving for. All to say that religions are not in themselves a psychology, no - but sometimes religions may contain something inside of them that's very different & can reach a man and begin to change the very character of his inner world & how he is able to see and understand himself and the outer world.
Harris is finished after shaming people who wanted to opt out of this corrupt system and didn't want to participate in experiment with shots and booster.
I prefer he focuses on non sensical ideas or beliefs followed by the masses, he's definitely a philosopher in that regard. Sam's helped me out of the Christian faith, I've always doubted the teachings, Sams logic helped to nail that coffin shut 😂
My experience with their debates was different...I felt neither of them had a deep enough depth of knowledge of epistemology for it to have been worthwhile. They touched on ideas about truth that gave over a 100 years of literature written around that debate, a knowledge of that would have given Sam more tools to challenge Jordan's stance on the existence of normative truth.
@@j_freed what something may religions contain inside them that is different (to what?) and reaches man and begins to change the very character of his inner world (in what way and what direction as opposed to, again, what?) to a point that he is able to understand better himself in relation to the outer-world?
@@diggie9598 I think it's a little more complicated than that, but you got the right idea! Haha I recently ordered the Sigma 18-35mm for my BMPCC4K and the footage looks nice.
Both the over-the-shoulder camera angles are flawed. Each is allowing unintentional bleed-in movement from the subject they're supposed to be shooting over the shoulder from. I agree the wide format/lighting etc does work well and is indeed cinematic but it's some way off perfect. Having said that, the intellectual content is - as always with Chris Williamson - interesting and informative.
When I found out about Sam Harris, it was such a pleasant surprise. Not that I've watched every content of his, but the ones I've seen/heard so far almost gave me the feelings as if he were reading my mind.
No it makes a big difference because 1 u know its not just u thinking these thoughts and 2 you hear the reasons for the beliefs articulated in differnt words but with the same meaning so it is significant
Yeah, Sam is fine for the masses. I’m glad he’s there. I don’t think he should be charging for his podcast but that’s my own opinion. He’s prolific, and I wish he would contribute more towards the neuroscience discussion given his background. I’d also try his app though, again, I think it’s spendy. I think charging is fine but he could charge less and perhaps should
@ The thing I feel most uncomfortable about is people aren’t too consistent… I don’t watch him anymore. I listen to other people now, and I’m hoping they stay consistent, but never say never. Always looking for new ones just in case. For me, logic (less contradiction) is more important than blind loyalty and if they as a content creators aren’t giving me what I’m looking for, I can always go back to reading books, news articles and do it myself.📰📚⚖️🧮 Good thing I already got the basics covered…🧾📇🗄️🖼️😂😅
Sam and Jordan are both brilliant in a fairly wide variety of topics. I always want to know what both of them think about issues. I also disagree with both on various things. It made me happy to hear they have no bad blood between them. At least on Sam's side.
I doubt there’s any bad blood on JP‘s side either. If I had to guess I would imagine that JP probably believes Sam needs a touch more faith in some of the invisible things, and maybe a little less in some of our institutions.
@@LordRykard9376except, that gives limited optionality, greater attack surface, and is long-term ineffective. However,we have no Elders that shun social clout in order to be sought in times of wisdom shortages.
SH: Two times three equals six. JP: Two times three equals the intangible evanescent process of unknowable numeracy linked to the transcendence of the highest hierarchical integral foundation of the ultimate structure of our being.
I think you're quoting what Deepak Chopra would say. Jordan Peterson would say "2x3=6 is true only if we are sure the human civilization won't get destroyed from that belief, otherwise it's false."
Harris has been working on a project of humanist based spirituality for 15 years now. His principle has been that, obviously, there must be a worst possible state of existence to avoid and a best one to promote. If such states exist, he has yet to foster any agreement between actual human beings on what those states might be.
His giant blindspots may not be a big deal to him, or the people 'in his lane' but they are to me. And he was not clipped out of context, at all. Free speech is only for things he thinks are not dangerous. Anyone with pretentions to being an intellectual ought not need the problem of "who decides though?" explained to them. It's a large and jarring incongruity, and his soft spoken disparagement "they are in an echo chamber" is a touch galling really.
I'll reserve judgment until the full episode, but I'm concerned. I like a lot of what Sam has said throughout the years, but I'm increasingly getting the feeling that I will never hear the words "I was totally wrong on this" from his mouth. His stance change on Biden as the adult in the room does not quite qualify. Just like with Richard Dawkins who I also respect, what I expect from the "greatest thinkers of our time" is the ability to admit fault, straight up without excuses. However great your mind is, and however well thought out your arguments are, you are not immune from getting it wrong. I just want to hear an earnest admitting of fault occasionally, otherwise I find it impossible to take the rest seriously.
he has repeatedly admitted fault. just recently regarding the significance of early investigations into the lab leak hypothesis. are you even following his work?
@@-morrow are you man? He hasn't walked back the biggest take he's had which is his political censorship is good because he doesn't like the opposition. His response to criticism is to delete twitter and respond cut-an-paste that others are in an "echo" chamber when they criticize him. 😂 Maybe offer up rational argument agaisnt his critics. Maybe actually respond with clarity and not a 1000 word soup of actually not answering any questions about his his important takes. Rather he deflects by describing his alleged position within the political left to be the area of "reason" and argument (classical liberalism) and then describes others as fallen intellectuals to the right of center. Laughable man. Give us the reasons and points for your arguments. Reason is ideas and points. It is content to be debated over. Yet all Smith offers as of late is characterization and not rebuttal of other's critiques and 1000 word sentences of no definitive answer.
@@royce7034 well you sound pretty salty because he hasn't walked back points you disagree with, tough. yet strawmanning sam just reveals your dishonesty. find me the quote with source where he said "political censorship is good because he doesn't like the opposition". perhaps try to better understand his reasons before getting emotional.
@@-morrow how is he strawmanning Harris? By pointing out that he has no real argument for his comments on Hunter Bidens laptop? That's called pointing out the flaw in Sam's thought process. That points out Sam's dogma. It's religious. Just not Christian.
@@-morrow it's also what has grenaded his popularity. Harris' slip is showing and he's mad that everyone saw it (except for those with the same atheistic dogma he has). Just say that you were over the top and be done with it.
I discovered Harris, Peterson, psychedelics and buddhism all around the same time. Sam is absolutely right about psychedelics, I started as an athiest and a very unspiritual person. Psychedelics unlocked spirituality for me as Harris describes here. I am still an athiest, but have adopted buddhism, and a lot of Peterson's philosophy and mindset on living a meaningful life.
Thanks for this Chris. I'm right leaning and I like Jordan Peterson a lot. It's nice to hear Sam talk here and he's obviously very sharp as well. I think I had a biased against him because some buddies of mine started worshiping him a few years ago so I kind of overcorrected and went hard into Jordan Peterson. I'm trying to live my life more openly when it comes to my information so i'm excited to hear this full podcast.
I first learned of Peterson through his podcast conversation with Sam in 2017. Since then, I have been utterly mystified as to why anyone listens to him, more so as his popularity rose, and even more so as his cognitive faculties have faltered publicly. Peterson’s epistemological foundations were always unsound, and his retreat from any solid position always glaring. If he had helped you, great - but you could find better.
mind recommending someone better than Dr Peterson? I've asked this question probably a hundred times to people that make the exact same claim you just made - and I never get a proper response. I'm guessing because you have a Twitch streamer or something in mind while typing this, and are too ashamed to actually name someone. At least that's what I've started assuming when I see this claim made on Reddit. And please don't say someone like Gnome Chomsky, the guy that wanted to keep food from poor black people during covid for not trusting the government's vax mandates... that guy is off the rails and insane.
Fair enough. Different strokes for different folks. It's what one is looking for that determines these guys' value to others. Peterson is much more of a practical therapist/teacher than an intellectual academic. Yes, they are both technically academics, but Peterson's strengths are rooted in his ability to give people practical advice for improving their lives, regardless of a solid philosophical basis. He's very much a do-what-works kind of person, as most psychologists tend to be. That likely explains why he values Christianity so much. Harris is much more of a traditional philosopher type.
@@martymcfly88mph35 "Better" in what way? :D He talks about EVERYTHING and has seriously no clue about ANYTHING. Here is a list of people that are "better": With regards to politics: Anybody who has ever studies politics or read a newspaper (as opposed to Jordan Peterson) With regards to sociology: Anybody who has ever read a page of Habermas, Butler, Sassen. And so on and so on...
The Sam Harris/Jordan Peterson relationship is one of those cases that baffles me - when someone so smart and clear thinking (Harris) admires a crap artist whose thoughts are all muddled nonsense.
I was one of the people who's intellectual and spiritual awakening was in many ways caused by the conversations between Sam and Jordan. I'm very grateful to Sam for all the rumination he has given me. I think the Hunter Biden thing was more than a ridiculous thing to say, but I'm still grateful. I don't think there's much juice left to squeeze though, and that's why they don't talk anymore. Jordan has moved on to something more traditional, Sam still thinks what he thinks. There's other avenus to explore for fans that are more profitable
Sam would've been better off sticking to the facts which is... There is not one drop of evidence that there is even obe drop of evidence that Joe Biden is corrupt or took even 1 penny from his sons business dealings. Further, except for the assumption Hunter got his job because of his family tree there's no indication Hunter did anything corrupt either. He was a drug addicted party animal which is a non issue in terms of his fathers administration. It's about as relevant as voting based on what brand of toilet paper either Bidens uses... It's a fake scandal just like all the others fabricated by the right-wing wing such as Bengazi (sp?), Clinton wss running drugs in the 80s, etc
The conversation was over about an hour into their first conversation when Jordan decided to re define truth as “that which is useful to the species” And Sam pointed out in different terms to this: A is true but useless, B is useful but untrue Is A true? And Peterson couldn’t answer proving he is a complete waste of my time.
Great guest. Will be looking forward to the full podcast next week. His conversation with Jordan on the nature of truth is still one of my favorite debates of all times. Hopefully they get together in the future and talk about philosophy (well, anything but politics. I don't care for either of their political views)
@74357175 It’s not an alternate definition of truth, Jordan just conflates “utility” with “truth”. The vast, vast majority of people immediately know what you mean when you say something is true. Jordan just twists his own definitions to serve his own purposes, even when no one else uses definitions the way he does. He’s not a very effective communicator specifically because of this
um. the, *i'm gonna half-listen to you while i pour myself a drink and there aren't enough cam angles to mask the totally distracting element of me doing that* part too? interesting.
must admit Sam lost me a little bit with hunter thing, no amount of "naunce" or "context" will make it right, but he remains one of the best orators/word smiths. One can only marvel how eloquently and deliberate his expansive bouquet and choice of words are
Sam is incredibly intelligent, and he can't really process people disagreeing with him. I remember saying on Rogan one time if there is lab made meat on the market, he couldn't understand someone choosing to eat real meat over the lab made stuff. With the Hunter Biden Laptop, he can't process people seeing it differently. Although, very smart dude.
Jordan really helped me out a few years back. I discovered him, like many did, when he caught attention for his public resistance of woke ideological nonsense. Then I found his other work like 12 Rules for life, his lectures... Fantastic, gave me a lot to think on. But his turn to religion of recent years really concerns me, and has somewhat turned me off him. I've seen people say that they used to be atheists until discovering his biblical series, and are now Christians. This is very concerning, considering he does not actually believe in god himself, as he all but admits when pushed, and just has a passion for the literature and an appreciation for the values it presents. He seems to advocate for belief in this literature being warranted based purely on the (subjective) value and meaning it gives people, and that the only way of finding meaning, and the only way to have a solid moral guidance, is to sign up to this ideology. He's went from admirably being an oponent of ideology and belief that contradicts reality (Transgenderism, feminism etc.) To fully embracing an ideology. His slimey use of "Well it depends what you mean by..." and his utter refusal to answer certain questions at all, let alone in a clear manner, is honestly just embarassing to watch.
@@scooterbarr325 As a psychological study of literature and mythology, absolutely. But as a promotion of religion and advocation of literal belief, I take issue with it.
I think the correct way to view Peterson is not as a philosopher but as a therapist. That's why he seems inconsistent: A therapist prescribes many things that might work for someone, even when they don't believe in them for themselves. Harris is much closer to a logically consistent philosopher type than Peterson. But the reason Peterson has had the more extensive reach is because he distills information for the masses better than Harris. That's to say nothing of Harris' incredibly polarizing statements about Trump and COVID-19.
@@roykeane1922 What kind of false equivalence is that? Of course Islam concerns me, but why does that mean I can't criticise Jordan Peterson? In fact I'm criticisng him for promoting religion, and though he names Christianity as his spiritual darling, these same criticisms can be applied to his friendliness to Islam.
Yes Sam its always OTHER people who are in an echo chamber. Not you 😂😂 Not the guy that just basically said that as long as his echo cha.. I mean "channels " which are the ones he cares about, agree with him, then he can't possibly be wrong about anything. 😂 Also fantastic job steel manning Jordan and Rogan at the end 😂 I totally didn't yell straw man like 3 times in 30 seconds.
The issue with Sam is that he never said yeah I was wrong on that Hunter Biden laptop thing. He is still standing his ground. It is very telling point about his stance about freedom of speech. You are either for it or against it with one exception of call to immediate violence.
@@ReturnOfHeresy yeah he's a bit weird tbf, just look at his other comment. He's very defensive of any perceived slight on this guest. It "infuriates" him so the faux intellectual line probably triggered him
@@ClydeusMaximus so it was hard to figure out Joe Jp and their respective audiences speak to those in the centre. or on the right to centre more traditionalist. Usually people say incorrect and then explain..
@@saviormoney. if you read his books and listened to his podcast and took nothing away then you are a poor learner. The ability to learn from people you disagree with is powerful
When I was a young man it was spellbinding to listen to Sam take 12 minutes to over explain a simple question while saying almost nothing profound or inspiring. If your gonna tease me for that long, there should be a payoff. He sounds so much like the preachers and teachers I grew up with. He is the same wolf wearing a different cloth.
I never understand what people see in this guy. The way he talks aggravates me and I have never in all these years finished one of his books, an interview or one of his podcasts and felt like he actually said something insightful or useful. He works well to fall asleep to though 👍
I am secular, Sam Harris is not. He venerates the system, & anybody who has inherited the money & status he has probably would. I don’t agree with JP on faith but it painfully obvious he is a much deeper/profound thinker when compared to Mr. Harris.
I am new to Sam - but his words feel like they trend to ‘pulling down’. Jordan’s in my experience, have always pulled me up. Jordan’s work has helped me truely transform my relationship with myself, my wife, my son and my career. Sam’s work is…nice/interesting.
It’s because Sam Harris sees the world from a reductionist view. Everything can be reduced to matter. Jordan Peterson embraces the mystery and sees the bigger picture. It’s a totally different worldview. The reason we’ve been able to build great civilisations is the embrace of the mystery (call it God if you will). The moment we reduce everything down to matter we dehumanise ourselves in the process and we see the crumbling of society… which is happening right now. Pendulum will always swing to that what makes sense, hence we see a massive a departure from atheism
Sam got me out of religion ten years ago, Jordan got me back into it recently. I still admire both of them to the fullest of my ability and I understand both of their perspectives in the debate. Hopefully they set up more discussions soon.
I don't know where you stand, religiously, but Robert Alter and Gary Rendsburg have made a huge impact on how I approach the bible. It's interesting how many atheist claims and accusations of scripture fall apart when you step out of their mindset and introduce even a little nuance.
@@stever7613 My stance is not well defined. I agree with the atheists in regards to the impossibility of supernatural events and the plethora of factual contradictions of the bible (I'm an engineer after all, so a scientist at heart). And I totally agree that the burden of proof is on the religious, and without any proof then the default stance should be atheism. But I also agree with Peterson who makes the claim that 1. moral values are fundamentally religious and cannot be scientifically extracted from the world i.e. ethics are deontological rather than consequential and 2. the bible being factually incorrect is irrelevant, as that is outweighed by the archetypal stories it outlines relating to the nature and behaviour of humans, which to Peterson makes the bible "true in the fundamental sense". I haven't yet bridged the gap between those two. Peterson's statement "I act as IF God exists" seems like it goes somewhere in-between, but there's no basis for it besides the utility it brings, which sounds a bit circular to me. I appreciate your suggestions and will be sure to check them out.
You're still stuck in their childish, binary, atheism vs. religion paradigm. Both platitudes are false attempts to explain the unknowable. Accept the mystery. Find your own moral center. Be your own example and watch your world change as you grow into it. All men must die. You must be reborn. When you live those words you will see the wisdom.
I am so happy you talked to Sam. He has made comments that I agree with the main one here, being a massive overstatement, But i do think Sam is someone motivated to find whats real and reach out and touch it. He's a solid guest and a commendable person despite his faults
What does Sam have to say about Jordan's reckless, outright denial of the basic physics and chemistry of man-made global heating? And what about Jordan's resorting to outlandish conspiracy theories and relying on fake experts?
*ROFL Harris: Those who thought I lost it, were Right of Centre...* *Reality: Every Libertarian who believes in Democracy, thought he lost his mind.* *I peed my self a little bit when Sam said: All these people are stuck their little Bubbles.* Alas, it is not his fault, he believes he doesn't have freewill, so I guess its easy for him to put responsibility for his choices on other peoples shoulders.
@@vhufeosqap Thank you for your need to express how irony and satire offends you on behalf of someone else. It was the exact type of solipsistic self righteous Virtue signalling UA-cam Comment I was expecting.... ...Grounded in anger, desperately looking for a target to vent, anonymously hypocritical, drowning in Hubris, yet in all that... ...Offering and Signifying Nothing. 🤔
@@WigganNuG I would forgive you, but since you have thrown your moral compass in the bin, by denial of your own capacity to choose. I would have to say, Is it so important to you, to misuse the value of any element of science when it’s convenient, to sell a vaccination against reality, disguised as objective certainty, under an appellation of Scientific Truth? The anti freewill hypothesis, is what it is, a thesis banded about by a minority of neuroscientists. Not not any kind of accepted peer reviewed practised Scientific Theory. Even Pro. Daniel Dennett rejected it, and proved their is free will. and Claimed people like Sam Harris have been Coned.
@@jeecee3948 I've been following Sam's work for over a decade and have read most of his books. In case you couldn't tell, this comment was a facetious take on Sam's stance on free will (which I agree with).
I have listened and subscribed to Sam for at least 7 years and for a long time he was my go to intellectual for his articulate clarity on this crazy world. But something has shifted in the last couple of years, his podcasts aren't as stimulating as they used to be and I don't consume them as eagerly as I used to. His guests are often safe allies who don't challenge Sam in the ways that some of his past guests did, in particular Jordan Peterson. I really hope we get to see Sam duke it out in conversations with his intellectual rivals like he used to do more regularly. I wonder if we will see him on Joe Rogan again, or publicly converse with Bret Weinstein again. I'm looking forward to the full chat he had with you Chris! You're doing great work.
TDS That’s what happened. I’m in the same boat as you, I always thought Sam to be a very well thought out dispassionate thinker. But his passion around Trump was so strong it strayed into derangement. It’s hard to look at him, or listen to his opinions the same way after you see this.
You talk of 'talking to safe' allies in the case of Harris and so I have to ask, what do you think of Peterson not even 'taking calls' from Matt Dillahunty after their talk? Matt refused to get suckered by Peterson's fairy fingers and bogus determinations and now your hero won't talk to him.
The irony of Sam accusing Joe and Jordan of being in an echo chamber-citing their views on mRNA and covid-while he refuses to debate literally anyone who holds those views.
@@SY-qg6qnExactly, also in Sam‘s words, its a huge opportunity cost. I wish though all of them get „back together“ and figure things out eventually. Such strong minds and characters that are still not being able to find a common ground. What agreement then can the divided common folks hope for, if these cannot find it?
He doesn't want to get even more people killed than these right wing podcast idiots have already done by spreading information. Remember Ivermectin? Bret is still pushing it even though it doesn't work. If you think Sam is living in an echo chamber, you haven't followed his work. Ironically, the people living in the biggest echo chambers right now are these psudo open-minded, "im totally not conservative but I empathize", Trump apologist podcasts that can hold the left's feet to the fire but won't say a bad word about the right. The ones that have so obviously been taken over by their audience, and have lost any shred of respect that they may have deserved.
Isn't it kind of the same as not being willing to debate flat earthers? An echo chamber is when you are not exposed to external opinions at all. That's different from not wanting to waste your time debating ridiculous propositions.
@@tobiasmadigan6000 dismissing a proposition (held by hundreds of millions of people in the case of the covid vax) as "ridiculous" is such a convenient excuse for shying from debate, isn't it?
the color grading in this video is fantastic. Also, Sam still got it. I don't necessarily agree with every point he makes, but he is difficult it ignore in public discourse.
I don't understand how such a course thinker and speaker, like Harris, can like a sloppy, word soup producing man that can't answer any question directly, like Peterson.
OMG you're fucking joking right!? JBP is literal meme of word salad answers!!! Remember all the jokes? "Hey JBP, how was your day" , "It all depends on what the HELL you mean by "Day"... word salad for an hour on the biblical meaning of "day" compared to the philosophies of Kant and the communists... Jesus the man can't answer a question to save his life.
Human life is about structure, there are the exceptional people who break that structure in a good or bad way. One lifestyle offers more support, one offers knowledge unfettered by common morality. Remember, the best scientists were simultaneously religious. The data is in silly Sam Harris.
These days (post hoax 2020) I find Bret Weinstein is much more rational and grounded than Harris. Dark horse, has more important material than his since then. I'd like to see Bret and Sam have a conversation.
@@lukeannettdj I used to listen to Sam Harris a lot, read his books etc. I was really surprised to see his unwillingness to listen to reason once the plandemic began to unfold. I'm wondering if he's some kind of germaphobe or something. Maybe he was just legitimately fooled by all that nonsense?
I am not familiar with the gentleman conducting the interview as this is my first exposure to him. That said, I deeply appreciate how he got out of Sam's way and let him fully answer the question put to him without the constant/near-constant interruptions that make so many interviewers so damned frustrating. The result was getting to hear a more complete and nuanced answer from Sam Harris. This is how all interviews should be conducted.
It's funny I felt the exact opposite. The pacing of the interview was wayyyy too slow and he meandered too much. A good interviewer keeps someone interesting and on point.
Sam helped me find peace within myself during the dark solitude times of the pandemic. Jordan taught me how to use my initial existential depression as a tool to practically pick myself up, be the best person I could be, and begin to help others expecting nothing in return. Both impactful, Jordan far more for me. In a way, it's been an exploration of both the differences of buddhism and christianity, but also how they can work together. I understand Sam doesn't claim to be buddhist, and Jordan just revealed (in his own way) that he's Christian. Appreciate them both.
'The burden is on us, at this point in history, to find a truly non-sectarian way or telling ourselves a story about what we value and what is possible.' - Sam Harris. This is the fundamental point for me. As much as I respect people of faith.
As an agnostic, and somebody who believes in logic, I think this is palpable nonsense. Firstly it is not a matter for non believers to come up with anything other than to live their one life with minimum suffering and maximum fun. Most atheists understand that - which is why they are not having kids. It is this fact that undermines any claim that atheists have that the burden of defining a better future comes down to them. Atheists are bound to go extinct leaving only the religious to re-populate the world. The future is Amish. A culture that produces 6 kids per couple and retains 90% of them in the belief system will take over America in 200 years and taken over the world shortly after. Atheism doesn't have a future. You might not like that conclusion but it is the inevitable result of the differentiated rates of reproduction between fundamentalist religion vs atheism and the fact that we know that religious belief is in the genes. Atheism is the best thing that ever happened to religion - and the people at the top of Islam and the Catholic Church already know this - which is why they are trying so hard to convert each other and don't give a damn about atheists.
This point in history? That has never been done. What you find instead is people like SH who have images of dead children in people's basements that don't bother them in the least compared to the scandal at Bump Univesity.
The Peterson, Harris debates for me was revealing. Jordon Peterson is the king of word salad . I mean , 20 minutes to dance around a question. He has managed to convince people that incoherance , delivered well is a philosophy. Like Peterson , I am Canadian and I supported him on the speech laws in Canada that are ridiculous. From my point of view Sam Harris is ahead of the place we are going to get to . I find him well balanced in his critque on both extremes of the political spectrums. The fact that commentators on the left and right equally despise him , probaly says more that he is on the right path . I disagree with Harris on the spiritual stuff . I feel it is just replacing Jesus with something else . When I die the game is over , no reason to fear death .
I was with you up until you thought Sam lost you on spirituality, saying you thought he's "replacing Jesus with something else." You utterly miss his thesis if that's your takeaway. Sam isn't 'trying' to "replace" a Jesus. He asserts the jury is still out on the full story of human consciousness, but that a completely non-sectarian/non-religious (areligious) experience can be arrived at without superstition, and eastern philosophy has given us meditation that gets ALL of us there without the baggage of tribal delusion and theology. Meditation isn't *his* to give, rather its an age-old tradition supplied by eastern philosophy that cuts through religious difference.
Would you change your mind if Sam has frequently and publicly admitted to where he has made mistakes, and that he has changed his opinion based on new information?
@@scoogsy sure. But every 6 months or so when I see his latest interview he has only doubled down on his opinions despite time generally disproving him.
I was so inspired, as were many others, in thier 4 part debate. I listened to Sam out if necessity when I could not digest, out of pure obstinacy I must add, the concept of God. Jordan helped me pave a path forward when he first became known defending free speech. The world witnessed a modern phenomenon, and that is what Jordan is. His evolvolution through his adversities, and accompanying dilaogue on his youtube channel inspired me to THINK and therefore SEE moving forward, to entertain thought through paprables. Thank You Both for the roles you played in my life when I was where I was. I have still so much to learn and watching Jordan evolve has been one of the single most important displays of humility in my life time. People have an innate need to witness the human capacity for humility to have hope moving forward... Its fundamental. Jordan brought that to people and is a fine example of that, without apology. Does Sam still have a safe word 🦞
Love listening to a wide range of intellectuals. Sam is the one where I am almost 100% in line with his thinking but Peterson, Dawkins, etc are all important listening...and oh do I miss Hitchens.
Hitchens would rend Peterson apart. Hitchens was direct and blunt with his language. Peterson is so flowery and fluffy that getting to his point is nearly impossible, even for him.
@@MartinWeller100 And I really don't think that Peterson makes impressive arguments at all. Having read one of his earlier books, I was stunned at how contemptuous of addicts he was, considering his education and vocation. Then, to make matters both worse and very funny, Peterson completely ignored his own advice to get a medical coma that gave him brain damage. His arguments were never good. Never impressive. Just flowery. Just fluffy. Circuituitous. Sometimes intentionally deceitful. Other times just bizarre or insane, like the Matt Dillahunty debate. And he lied his guts out about the thing that made him famous, the stupid Canadian hate law that didn't work or occur the way Peterson lied about. I've never understood his popularity, aside from the right being desperate for anyone they consider a 'deep thinker.' But Peterson is not a deep thinker. He never has been. He's a shallow thinker who is good at *pretending* , at *faking* that he's deep. He's just an actor. In it for the money, not the honesty. Like Ben Shapiro or Stephen Crowder or Bill O'Reilly.
@@GoodAvatar-ut5pq False. Peterson is an incredibly deep thinking. You just don't like his conclusions. Which is fine, you're entitled to you opinion. But as the neolib conceptual paradigm continues to die, people like Peterson will continue to proliferate and make more sense than Sam Harris. Sam was awesome for a time but he's quickly fading.
@@michaelrivera6989 : You mean UA-camr's like Sam Harris? Why wouldn't you take advice from someone you describe as THE MOST intelligent and rational person you've ever listened to? Sam Harris who recently said on a UA-cam podcast that "Hunter Biden literally could have had the corpses of children in his basement. I would not have cared". Are you also a psychopath whose heros are political hacks that subscribe to delusional ideologies?
What’s ironic, from what I’m reading, and from my own experience is that Sam actually has helped people get to religious experience which of course he detests. I started listening to Sam about 7 years ago and thought he was great because I was an atheist who was clearly missing something. I bought 12 Rules for Life around that time, started reading and it mentioned God and I got rid of it because I was a stubborn atheist. About a year later I figured I’d be smart to give it another go and from then on Jordan’s message resonated with me. I would now say I am a Christian, who still sometimes struggles with the concept of God, but I fundamentally disagree with Sam’s overarching critique of religion. I find religion to be inevitable. And to me, the Christian ethic seems to line up with the path to the greatest good. I’m happy to have ran into both of these men.
I’m so glad Sam is carving out this lane. Peterson, once promising, is literally unbearable at this point. The whole “right-center” podcast sphere is made up of people who say controversial things merely to gain an audience mainly of aggrieved young men. Harris could have gone down that path, but he chose not to because he has integrity. Sam is by far the sanest of the bunch.
That's a fair criticism. However, Peterson is far better suited for the masses than someone like Harris. Harris is too much of an abstract philosopher. His ideas are not well-suited for mass audiences. Peterson's strength is not as an academic or philosopher but as a therapist. That's why he's so incredibly popular.
@@scratchpenny Yeah, and if he stayed in his lane, that would have been perfectly fine. Unfortunately, he seems to have contracted the same illness most public figures eventually get infected with - talking publicly about things he doesn´t understand. He probably knows a lot about psychology, but about political science and history, not so much. However, he does know enough to appear knowledgeable to people who are not very educated in those fields, which is potentially quite dangerous.
Both men equally make a difference and are deep thinkers, just because they disagree on things it should not undermine their significance on others. my personal experience, when listening to Jordan Peterson has opened my eyes to the systematic limited beliefs we were programmed to since we were born and forced me to use my critical thinking and question the validity of things we see and hear on mainstream media.
Both men are interesting, because they aren't dumb and they are bold. But mainly both men are good marketers, and that's why we know about them. Neither are better thinkers or more profound than your average college philosophy professor or even well-read taxi driver. It's actually not the depth, uniqueness or even clarity of their propositions that draws us to them, it's their ability to market and appeal to our emotions. Same with Joe Rogan. I just want to put out there that it's important to be aware that the people we are talking about here have as their biggest talent marketing and salesmanship. It's just done in a way that sounds intellectual (more intellectual than it really is). I find it more interesting to listen to either of them not as much because of any brilliance, but to understand what it is that people are lacking or desperate for, for better or for worse. Same with the youtuber making this podcast. No special talent that is greater than their quite good talent = mastering the UA-cam algorithm and triggering people enough to get lots of hits.
@@JaneMarshall68 Woah! That's lucky. But that won't last. COVID will get you sooner or later. That or not doing everything that Dr. Sam Harris says, even though you have no choice.
Sam seems like a good bloke, but he has unfortunately fallen for himself and has no peers to challenge it. He used to wilt humbly in Hitch’s presence and it kept him a far more balanced soul
I like Sam but even as refreshing as this monologue was, he still believes that the information we receive through mainstream media is not mostly fake, and yet the reality has proven different. Just look at what all honest left-leaning journalist have done in the last couple of years, most of them I've gone on their own or onto independent platforms.
I dont hope for any kind of rekindled relationship, unless Sam can somehow get through to Jordan. I dont know how genuine Jordan is in the first place either though.
I was sam’s biggest fan. He changed my life by convincing me to meditate. I went from a good person who had heinous flaws to a good person that has reasonable flaws. However he’s just too gone right now for me. He seems insane in some regards and I say that diligently. He repeatably denies truths and realities that aren’t just self evident but then sadly he disputes them with horrible proclamations like his dead children’s comment. This is an ongoing trend and I won’t support his clear downfall. He deserves the hate he’s gotten and I hope like the hate I received years ago, he’ll also step up and come back from the dead.
I respect Sam for not being a right-wing apologist who looks the other way at all of the flaws of Trump and his movement. Every other shill in the “intellectual dark web” like Dave Rubin, etc. all constantly criticize the left and never utter a peep about the right. Sam actually stayed true to his convictions and didn’t hop on the bandwagon. He easily could have. I remember a time when he was highly critical of Islamic fundamentalism and was nearly cancelled for it by the mainstream left. He did not falter.
In all sincerity, I would kindly request some examples of him "denying truths". I'm either blind to it, or have missed these apparent glaring issues with his thinking, because I haven't seen it. But I'm readily open to the possibility.
@@ThePhanaticalOne For me, his take on Brett Weinstein, his comments about the children in the basement and then his recent take on RFK jr caused me to take a step back and re-evaluate which topics I can still receive his influence in a healthy way. I still like Sam, but I don't see him in the same light.
@@joebeezy9471 No he hasn’t. You people have become so accustomed to Trump that you don’t realize how incredibly outlandish and detrimental him and his supporters are to this country. Stealing classified documents, pressuring election officials to overturn results (including throwing his own VP under the bus for not trying to subvert the election), encouraging his supporters on January 6th, etc. All we get from the right is “nah it’s just a witch hunt.” They literally won’t criticize the guy at all. The 1/3 of Americans who worship this guy are the ones who have lost their minds, not Sam Harris.
I can say that Sam taught me how to think rationally and how to prioritise rationality. It has completely changed the way I see the world and kept me away from religous or cultural feudalism. He brought peace into my life. JP on the other hand gave very basic advice, which I think could be good for someone who hit rockbottom, but not me...
Inam actually more of a Petersen fan than Harris, but whathe says about Rogan etc being in an echo chamber of half truths etc is absolutely spot on here.
Sam is still the GOAT when it comes to arguing religion and making his point concisely. Most other people just make stuff up that has no basis whatsoever. And they take these positions because their whole history and family history would be based on bullshit, and they can’t handle the embarrassment vs accepting real truth.
You don't realize that Sam is stuck in a prison of cognitive dissonance and his worldview is crumbling around him. Covid killed his mind and exposed his frightened inner child to the world.
Harris actually criticised Peterson and at the same time didnt do it in a hatefull way, this is a first, everyone else either adores him or loathes him. I hope he can have a confrontational yet friendly conversation with Peterson, it could do so much good.
@@firefly9838 You're clearly missing a hell of a lot of context, I recommend you watch his interview with Triggernometry. Also, how you can say he was right on Trump compared to the shiteshow of the Biden Administration is utterly laughable. Trump was far better for The US, and you clearly buy into whatever narrative you're sold.
The "I used to like Sam until he got TDS" line is so tired-I know it's difficult to hear for you acolytes of the autocratic, conspiracy-mongering, faux-christian grifter who sought to undermine our democracy, but Sam's take on Trump was dead on.
It does seem like Sam had a breakdown, but deleting social media and just switching off the noise can be extremely beneficial. I hope he is at a better point now, and it seems likely that everyone would continue any discussions.
Hello you legends. Watch the full 3+ hour podcast with Sam now - ua-cam.com/video/carZ3_02-Xg/v-deo.html
Thanks champ
Is that a dolly shot? Excellent. Too much production can interfere with the audience's ability to follow the discussion, but you're finding a great balance.
Looks like a good one , Thanks . That guy got blasted off his high horse , seems to try and play it down . Big ego . A bit of humility is a good thing .
It's Tuesday today. Do you mean that it will come out next Monday?
Hey Chris, just wanted to say its such a good move to warm people up with clips before instead of after the podcast. Something Joe could learn from. (although I don't think he cares haha).
Thank you so much for being such a wellrounded and intelligent man. Truly inspiring ❤
I was an atheist from the start and still am.
I've consumed about 500 hours of Sam Harris content first, then started listening to Jordan Peterson.
Harris taught me how to notice and uderstand my emotions and how to be happy with the present moment.
Peterson taught me what my long-term priorities and needs are and helped me understand how to live in a way that is more productive to society.
Listening to Harris was intelectualy stimulating, but did not really impact my life in a big way, other than making me a bit more happy in general.
Listening to Peterson completely transformed the way I live and actualy "changed my life", making me a better person in all aspects of life.
Great comment
Taught u something he doesnt apply himself. And ur still enraptured by him......
Thoughtful stuff, there. Thanks for sharing.
"Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime." The long game is harder, but the benefits you reap will come in due time with interest.
@@whynot1548 And I am pretty sure OP fails to practice what Peterson "taught him" as well. We always fail to live up to our standards.
'They needed some language to help them midwife their delivery into the clear light of reason' - this is an insightful recognition of where much of his value lands. For myself, listening to the likes of Sam, Dawkins, Hitchens and Fry, helped me clarify my thoughts on the role the religion played, and is playing in the world. I cannot thank them enough. There is no more powerful gift that I can think of, than leading others to think in a rational way.
The Catholic church should have canonized Galileo and his "revelations" from God. The church should have become the new center of further studies in that direction. It would have saved the church's credibility, it could have saved the world much pain and suffering.
Why ?They would still be peddling fictional man made stories as divine revelation.@@counterflow5719
@@counterflow5719Bazingo. 👏
The Church's rejection of Galileo's theories are overstated. I'm not saying it was right, but it wasn't because they were dummies The current solar system was redone so many times before and after Galileo that it's very subjective. It's hard to find the info because it's taboo, but look this up. It's also absolutely provable that the individual and the earth are cosmologically, not mathematically, the center of the universe affecting everything in their orbit, which is corroborated by manifestation, as well as Chinese mystics. They were both correct, although the mechanical universe as measured may still not be accurate.
@@DaneTrumbore Nope.
When Jordan was asked who his smartest opposition is, he said Sam. There is a lot of respect between the two. They're both great.
I think he also said that speaking to SH about religion was like speaking to a really intelligent 9 year old about it.
Agree though both are great and would love to see them debate/chat again soon.
Jordan is too polite. Alex O'Connor or Matt Dilahunty would be a tougher opponent and I don't rate either very much.
@@alisterrebelo9013Doesn't matter that you don't rate either, because Peterson is practically incoherent on religion
hes not really a match because sam is forthright and speaks clearly while jordan is wishy washy and loves nuance
@@mljh11 I put out an opinion and then you replied with an unsupported assertion. Good thing I'm an Aussie and I can say 'stiff sh!t' to you.
Sam was my gateway into bettering my life about six years ago where he taught me to become more spiritual and subsequently spend hundreds of hours meditating. This opened my mind to the possibility of a more meaningful and purposeful life by changing my orientation to it. I then found Peterson where I spent hundreds of hours consuming his content and seeing him live, twice, and feel the development I made by listening to Sam and through meditation allowed me to deeply hear Petersons message and change the way I live my life, not just the way I feel about my life. I’ve woken up with the explicit goal of bettering myself for the sake of my future and those around me for several years now, thanks to these intellectual titans.
Alex this is absolutely wonderful. I have experienced the exact happening. After a few weeks of tuning into the quiet (through Sam's wisdom and accumulated knowledge) so much of Peterson's deep work and analysis started to resonate. Both intellectuals are, in many ways, two sides of some same coin. As Peterson swims beneath, Harris gives the hefty anchor with which to ground oneself among the lofty tides of self- inquiry.
"Woken up" ♥️
You have described my experience almost exactly. I spent nearly a decade following meditative practice. Sam Harris was a large part of that. When I found Peterson I was older - late 30's - and I got on a plane to see him in Holland. I saw him again live (with Harris) in Dublin.
Both served as important guides and father figures to me
@cabalpaxiarch7239 Amazing that you recommend reading. Have you read Sam and Jordan's books? Likely not. While you've done it softly, you have revealed a political bias, not an intellectual one. Reading those books is a good part of intellectual discovery and so is Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson. Oh, by the way, they have proven their pedigree by having a positive effect on thousands and thousands of lives. How many people look to you? Yeah, maybe not that many huh?
Imagine getting inspiration from JP. Good grief. Watch some more news’s special on JP and prepare to cringe.
I wish someone like Sam would talk about Peterson before and after his severe medical problems. It seems as if JP has gone in a different direction since.
Now he rants angrily about a black actor playing James Bond.
I agree. I think Peterson has become a bit too crazy to be considered a force for good.
Yep
@@TakingTheMikehe actually starting see the life itself from a different perspective. He is the only one that are able to talk what he felt, not others like you. Much respect to Jordan, he become more humble, wise and emotional.
@@jonathansurovell3516I'm a POC too but don't want a black Bond too. That's just stupid virtue signaling. What else exactly do you have a problem with concerning Jordan Peterson? I personally lost interest because he's increasingly going into the religious direction which I don't care too much for. His stuff on psychology is still excellent though.
Respecful debate between intellects has always been a treasure. There hasn't been enough of it. These days, if people disagree they just hurl ugly insults.
Unfortunately Sam isn’t interested in debate these days. He’s interested in people that agree unequivocally with everything he says
@@josh23992 Meanwhile Jordan Peterson spends most of his time these days on Twitter, getting mad about Elliot Page and fat swimsuit models.
You boys just made @rpmgrlca's point I think.
Neither are intellects
@@kelvincasing5265they are just fleshy bots who don't think.
It's amazing how he and Maajid Nawaz started the same tour together and ended up at opposite positions on everything in the years that followed.
@@OrwellsHousecat Nawaz is a total crank.
@@OrwellsHousecat Every time I hear him speak I find him to be quite intelligent and well spoken, but the endless false conspiracy nonsense, the fact that he refuses to address or apologise for it when it's inevitably proven to be false. It just gets tiresome after a while.
@@davidhughes8795 which conspiracy theory?
@@OrwellsHousecat What exactly wouldn't I want to admit? And perhaps he does. You be the judge.
@@davidhughes8795rovide example of where Maajid goes off the plantation, a$$hole. It's not that hard. I'm not even a fan of his but back your shit up.
Imagine Joe Rogan, one of the dumbest people on the planet, saying he still has hope for Sam Harris, one of the smartest people on the planet. It just makes my brain hurt.
damn saying you “still have hope” for someone is one of the most condescending things I’ve ever heard lmao
Wow
Imagine the type of person you’d need to be to call anyone “one of the dumbest people on the planet”… pretty gross.
Religion is gross
We need intellectuals who can rapidly adapt and change their minds on things. Sam and Jordan debates were great because they were challenging. They should discuss NON-religious/NON-atheist topics simply due to how eloquent they both are.
Real psychology can take many forms in the world. The psychology that occupies a place inside of many (not all) religions is the same psychology needed to unite a man's understanding of everything he knows and infers from the world, including all scientific thought.
There is a cohesive realty that exists above all our 'sciences' and also above philosophy and art and religion, etc... These divisions are artificial, because the study of man from the viewpoint of his real possibility of inner change, ie. from real Psychology, is the oldest & most relevant science to us.
A man can begin to see this more cohesive reality, and this is in reality what everyone is striving for.
All to say that religions are not in themselves a psychology, no - but sometimes religions may contain something inside of them that's very different & can reach a man and begin to change the very character of his inner world & how he is able to see and understand himself and the outer world.
Harris is finished after shaming people who wanted to opt out of this corrupt system and didn't want to participate in experiment with shots and booster.
I prefer he focuses on non sensical ideas or beliefs followed by the masses, he's definitely a philosopher in that regard. Sam's helped me out of the Christian faith, I've always doubted the teachings, Sams logic helped to nail that coffin shut 😂
My experience with their debates was different...I felt neither of them had a deep enough depth of knowledge of epistemology for it to have been worthwhile. They touched on ideas about truth that gave over a 100 years of literature written around that debate, a knowledge of that would have given Sam more tools to challenge Jordan's stance on the existence of normative truth.
@@j_freed what something may religions contain inside them that is different (to what?) and reaches man and begins to change the very character of his inner world (in what way and what direction as opposed to, again, what?) to a point that he is able to understand better himself in relation to the outer-world?
Shoutout to the production crew. This looks as cinematic as most major films. Well done!
Seriously! It's gorgeous!
Great mic, great camera. Boom done, no magic.
@@diggie9598 I think it's a little more complicated than that, but you got the right idea! Haha I recently ordered the Sigma 18-35mm for my BMPCC4K and the footage looks nice.
Its too much.
Both the over-the-shoulder camera angles are flawed. Each is allowing unintentional bleed-in movement from the subject they're supposed to be shooting over the shoulder from. I agree the wide format/lighting etc does work well and is indeed cinematic but it's some way off perfect. Having said that, the intellectual content is - as always with Chris Williamson - interesting and informative.
When I found out about Sam Harris, it was such a pleasant surprise. Not that I've watched every content of his, but the ones I've seen/heard so far almost gave me the feelings as if he were reading my mind.
So he made no difference in your life. Right?
Bro SAME
No it makes a big difference because 1 u know its not just u thinking these thoughts and 2 you hear the reasons for the beliefs articulated in differnt words but with the same meaning so it is significant
Yeah, Sam is fine for the masses. I’m glad he’s there. I don’t think he should be charging for his podcast but that’s my own opinion. He’s prolific, and I wish he would contribute more towards the neuroscience discussion given his background. I’d also try his app though, again, I think it’s spendy. I think charging is fine but he could charge less and perhaps should
@ The thing I feel most uncomfortable about is people aren’t too consistent…
I don’t watch him anymore.
I listen to other people now, and I’m hoping they stay consistent, but never say never.
Always looking for new ones just in case.
For me, logic (less contradiction) is more important than blind loyalty and if they as a content creators aren’t giving me what I’m looking for, I can always go back to reading books, news articles and do it myself.📰📚⚖️🧮
Good thing I already got the basics covered…🧾📇🗄️🖼️😂😅
Sam and Jordan are both brilliant in a fairly wide variety of topics. I always want to know what both of them think about issues. I also disagree with both on various things. It made me happy to hear they have no bad blood between them. At least on Sam's side.
Took the words right out of my mouth
I doubt there’s any bad blood on JP‘s side either. If I had to guess I would imagine that JP probably believes Sam needs a touch more faith in some of the invisible things, and maybe a little less in some of our institutions.
Sam's Trump Derangement Syndrome completely negates anything he has to say at this point.
@@johnbuckner2828 yeah I can't picture JP holding a grudge against anyone unless it was something really serious, personal and unrepentant.
@@LordRykard9376except, that gives limited optionality, greater attack surface, and is long-term ineffective. However,we have no Elders that shun social clout in order to be sought in times of wisdom shortages.
Sam Harris been doing those 8 hour arm workouts lately 💪
Probably been working on grip strength after chatting to Pete Attia
It was his choice, he had no say in the matter. It was meant to be.
I miss rich piana
He doesnt have free will, so the weights just kind of appear in his arms and hang there all day.
Haven't noticed that, thank for shifting my timeline
SH: Two times three equals six.
JP: Two times three equals the intangible evanescent process of unknowable numeracy linked to the transcendence of the highest hierarchical integral foundation of the ultimate structure of our being.
I think you're quoting what Deepak Chopra would say. Jordan Peterson would say "2x3=6 is true only if we are sure the human civilization won't get destroyed from that belief, otherwise it's false."
Harris has been working on a project of humanist based spirituality for 15 years now.
His principle has been that, obviously, there must be a worst possible state of existence to avoid and a best one to promote.
If such states exist, he has yet to foster any agreement between actual human beings on what those states might be.
@@makmanos Either way he'd spew absolute garbage.
JP. Starts crying
@@makmanos You make a good point, but that is only true if the human civilization won't get destroyed from that belief, otherwise it's false
For a guy who understands steel manning that characterization of Rogan and audience capture is a crazy statement…
His giant blindspots may not be a big deal to him, or the people 'in his lane' but they are to me. And he was not clipped out of context, at all. Free speech is only for things he thinks are not dangerous. Anyone with pretentions to being an intellectual ought not need the problem of "who decides though?" explained to them. It's a large and jarring incongruity, and his soft spoken disparagement "they are in an echo chamber" is a touch galling really.
If by "crazy" you mean "rational" than I agree with you.
@@elmoblatch9787 to clarify I meant out of touch with reality
@@Wh1skeySamhuh … made perfect sense to me
@@pjmlegrandeyour comment is overly ambiguous. What made sense?
I'll reserve judgment until the full episode, but I'm concerned. I like a lot of what Sam has said throughout the years, but I'm increasingly getting the feeling that I will never hear the words "I was totally wrong on this" from his mouth. His stance change on Biden as the adult in the room does not quite qualify.
Just like with Richard Dawkins who I also respect, what I expect from the "greatest thinkers of our time" is the ability to admit fault, straight up without excuses. However great your mind is, and however well thought out your arguments are, you are not immune from getting it wrong. I just want to hear an earnest admitting of fault occasionally, otherwise I find it impossible to take the rest seriously.
he has repeatedly admitted fault. just recently regarding the significance of early investigations into the lab leak hypothesis. are you even following his work?
@@-morrow are you man? He hasn't walked back the biggest take he's had which is his political censorship is good because he doesn't like the opposition. His response to criticism is to delete twitter and respond cut-an-paste that others are in an "echo" chamber when they criticize him. 😂 Maybe offer up rational argument agaisnt his critics. Maybe actually respond with clarity and not a 1000 word soup of actually not answering any questions about his his important takes. Rather he deflects by describing his alleged position within the political left to be the area of "reason" and argument (classical liberalism) and then describes others as fallen intellectuals to the right of center. Laughable man. Give us the reasons and points for your arguments. Reason is ideas and points. It is content to be debated over. Yet all Smith offers as of late is characterization and not rebuttal of other's critiques and 1000 word sentences of no definitive answer.
@@royce7034 well you sound pretty salty because he hasn't walked back points you disagree with, tough. yet strawmanning sam just reveals your dishonesty. find me the quote with source where he said "political censorship is good because he doesn't like the opposition". perhaps try to better understand his reasons before getting emotional.
@@-morrow how is he strawmanning Harris? By pointing out that he has no real argument for his comments on Hunter Bidens laptop? That's called pointing out the flaw in Sam's thought process. That points out Sam's dogma. It's religious. Just not Christian.
@@-morrow it's also what has grenaded his popularity. Harris' slip is showing and he's mad that everyone saw it (except for those with the same atheistic dogma he has). Just say that you were over the top and be done with it.
I discovered Harris, Peterson, psychedelics and buddhism all around the same time. Sam is absolutely right about psychedelics, I started as an athiest and a very unspiritual person. Psychedelics unlocked spirituality for me as Harris describes here. I am still an athiest, but have adopted buddhism, and a lot of Peterson's philosophy and mindset on living a meaningful life.
IMO it's all about states of autonomic regulation!
By definition if you believe in something metaphysical that has any interaction with human beings, you are not an atheist.
You should have found Alan Watts first.
@@haveaday1812 Buddhism is not necessarily metaphysical.
@@davidlee4903 Yes actually this was the case, and then the rest follows.
Thanks for this Chris. I'm right leaning and I like Jordan Peterson a lot. It's nice to hear Sam talk here and he's obviously very sharp as well. I think I had a biased against him because some buddies of mine started worshiping him a few years ago so I kind of overcorrected and went hard into Jordan Peterson. I'm trying to live my life more openly when it comes to my information so i'm excited to hear this full podcast.
give his mindfulness app a shot ... it's genuinely life changing
Same!
What's considered "right leaning" these days is still incredibly liberal
@@tayzk5929 lol not me
Not as sharp as Gad Saad.
Sam looks like hes aged 10 years from about 2 years ago.
He shoot himself in the foot by showing us that the cool kid is basically just a drama queen.
He focked himself with that triggernometry interview and all his illogical rantings - just embarrassing - and he lost a good much respect over that
I first learned of Peterson through his podcast conversation with Sam in 2017. Since then, I have been utterly mystified as to why anyone listens to him, more so as his popularity rose, and even more so as his cognitive faculties have faltered publicly. Peterson’s epistemological foundations were always unsound, and his retreat from any solid position always glaring. If he had helped you, great - but you could find better.
mind recommending someone better than Dr Peterson? I've asked this question probably a hundred times to people that make the exact same claim you just made - and I never get a proper response. I'm guessing because you have a Twitch streamer or something in mind while typing this, and are too ashamed to actually name someone. At least that's what I've started assuming when I see this claim made on Reddit. And please don't say someone like Gnome Chomsky, the guy that wanted to keep food from poor black people during covid for not trusting the government's vax mandates... that guy is off the rails and insane.
Fair enough. Different strokes for different folks. It's what one is looking for that determines these guys' value to others. Peterson is much more of a practical therapist/teacher than an intellectual academic. Yes, they are both technically academics, but Peterson's strengths are rooted in his ability to give people practical advice for improving their lives, regardless of a solid philosophical basis. He's very much a do-what-works kind of person, as most psychologists tend to be. That likely explains why he values Christianity so much. Harris is much more of a traditional philosopher type.
can you explain how "his cognitive faculties have faltered publicly"? I didn't follow him closely, so I am just curious what you're referring to.
@@martymcfly88mph35 "Better" in what way? :D He talks about EVERYTHING and has seriously no clue about ANYTHING. Here is a list of people that are "better":
With regards to politics: Anybody who has ever studies politics or read a newspaper (as opposed to Jordan Peterson)
With regards to sociology: Anybody who has ever read a page of Habermas, Butler, Sassen.
And so on and so on...
The Sam Harris/Jordan Peterson relationship is one of those cases that baffles me - when someone so smart and clear thinking (Harris) admires a crap artist whose thoughts are all muddled nonsense.
He has so much nerve to use terms like 'echo chamber'.
How come?
@@Arbitrary_Moniker Because he lives in Plato's Cave of subjectivity. Though, he doesn't really recognize himself as a subject. He's a hypocrite.
@@dieselphiend where has he said it doesn't apply to him?
@@dieselphiendis he in the echo chamber here?
@@-morrow He's a very opinionated man. He thinks he's right when in fact we are all wrong.
"I think, therefore I Am"- Sam..
I was one of the people who's intellectual and spiritual awakening was in many ways caused by the conversations between Sam and Jordan. I'm very grateful to Sam for all the rumination he has given me. I think the Hunter Biden thing was more than a ridiculous thing to say, but I'm still grateful. I don't think there's much juice left to squeeze though, and that's why they don't talk anymore. Jordan has moved on to something more traditional, Sam still thinks what he thinks. There's other avenus to explore for fans that are more profitable
Sam would've been better off sticking to the facts which is...
There is not one drop of evidence that there is even obe drop of evidence that Joe Biden is corrupt or took even 1 penny from his sons business dealings. Further, except for the assumption Hunter got his job because of his family tree there's no indication Hunter did anything corrupt either. He was a drug addicted party animal which is a non issue in terms of his fathers administration. It's about as relevant as voting based on what brand of toilet paper either Bidens uses...
It's a fake scandal just like all the others fabricated by the right-wing wing such as Bengazi (sp?), Clinton wss running drugs in the 80s, etc
If I my ask, how old were you when you listened to these conversations?
Lol your user name makes this post hilarious
The conversation was over about an hour into their first conversation when Jordan decided to re define truth as “that which is useful to the species”
And Sam pointed out in different terms to this:
A is true but useless, B is useful but untrue
Is A true?
And Peterson couldn’t answer proving he is a complete waste of my time.
Can you or anyone else link me to what Sam said about Hunter Biden? Thanks
Can’t wait to hear more from my favorite determinist about how we should do things differently!
Could you unpack that, please?
Great guest. Will be looking forward to the full podcast next week. His conversation with Jordan on the nature of truth is still one of my favorite debates of all times. Hopefully they get together in the future and talk about philosophy (well, anything but politics. I don't care for either of their political views)
Yeah, loved that Truth convo!
Loved that convo, and even though I disagree with Jordan on that question, he made me think more carefully about alternative definitions of truth
@74357175
It’s not an alternate definition of truth, Jordan just conflates “utility” with “truth”. The vast, vast majority of people immediately know what you mean when you say something is true. Jordan just twists his own definitions to serve his own purposes, even when no one else uses definitions the way he does. He’s not a very effective communicator specifically because of this
The production is impressive and basically so good that it becomes comic. It’s a mix between thriller interrogation scene and RPG cutscene aesthetics.
um. the, *i'm gonna half-listen to you while i pour myself a drink and there aren't enough cam angles to mask the totally distracting element of me doing that* part too? interesting.
@@DanielBoonelight yeah, especially that part. Such a power move by Chris having a drink.
@@AntonKuznetsovMusic yikes
Is it so distracting though ?
@@Jpravo no not really
He should debate the very man that invented MRNA treatments.
That wasnt invented by one man.
@@aaronpannell6401 Who can take more credit than Dr Robert Malone?
@dieselphiend There have been 100s of scientists who worked on it for decades according to Nature publication.
'Nature' is fallen. So is 'Science'.
must admit Sam lost me a little bit with hunter thing, no amount of "naunce" or "context" will make it right, but he remains one of the best orators/word smiths. One can only marvel how eloquently and deliberate his expansive bouquet and choice of words are
Nah read a book man (any undergrad philosophy book seriously) and you'll realize he's like 50-75th percentile among Analytic Philosophers
Sam is incredibly intelligent, and he can't really process people disagreeing with him. I remember saying on Rogan one time if there is lab made meat on the market, he couldn't understand someone choosing to eat real meat over the lab made stuff. With the Hunter Biden Laptop, he can't process people seeing it differently. Although, very smart dude.
Jordan really helped me out a few years back. I discovered him, like many did, when he caught attention for his public resistance of woke ideological nonsense. Then I found his other work like 12 Rules for life, his lectures... Fantastic, gave me a lot to think on.
But his turn to religion of recent years really concerns me, and has somewhat turned me off him. I've seen people say that they used to be atheists until discovering his biblical series, and are now Christians. This is very concerning, considering he does not actually believe in god himself, as he all but admits when pushed, and just has a passion for the literature and an appreciation for the values it presents.
He seems to advocate for belief in this literature being warranted based purely on the (subjective) value and meaning it gives people, and that the only way of finding meaning, and the only way to have a solid moral guidance, is to sign up to this ideology.
He's went from admirably being an oponent of ideology and belief that contradicts reality (Transgenderism, feminism etc.) To fully embracing an ideology.
His slimey use of "Well it depends what you mean by..." and his utter refusal to answer certain questions at all, let alone in a clear manner, is honestly just embarassing to watch.
Have you actually watched the biblical series, though? It's absolutely brilliant.
@@scooterbarr325 As a psychological study of literature and mythology, absolutely. But as a promotion of religion and advocation of literal belief, I take issue with it.
I think the correct way to view Peterson is not as a philosopher but as a therapist. That's why he seems inconsistent: A therapist prescribes many things that might work for someone, even when they don't believe in them for themselves. Harris is much closer to a logically consistent philosopher type than Peterson. But the reason Peterson has had the more extensive reach is because he distills information for the masses better than Harris. That's to say nothing of Harris' incredibly polarizing statements about Trump and COVID-19.
This is concerning to you, and not the nearing 2 billion Muslims?
@@roykeane1922 What kind of false equivalence is that? Of course Islam concerns me, but why does that mean I can't criticise Jordan Peterson?
In fact I'm criticisng him for promoting religion, and though he names Christianity as his spiritual darling, these same criticisms can be applied to his friendliness to Islam.
Yes Sam its always OTHER people who are in an echo chamber. Not you 😂😂 Not the guy that just basically said that as long as his echo cha.. I mean "channels " which are the ones he cares about, agree with him, then he can't possibly be wrong about anything. 😂 Also fantastic job steel manning Jordan and Rogan at the end 😂 I totally didn't yell straw man like 3 times in 30 seconds.
Is this the echo chamber?
Can't wait for the full next Mon.😍😍😍
The issue with Sam is that he never said yeah I was wrong on that Hunter Biden laptop thing. He is still standing his ground. It is very telling point about his stance about freedom of speech. You are either for it or against it with one exception of call to immediate violence.
Sam mixed up Joe's response and Peterson's response. Peterson was the one who still had hope for Sam's comeback.
12 min clip and no idea what the guy said or what point he was making. Dont know if hes just monotone or if hes a faux intellectual
@@Stierenkloot I'd agree with you in general terms, but here you come off as hostile and defensive on behalf of someone else. Which is pretty weird.
@@ReturnOfHeresy yeah he's a bit weird tbf, just look at his other comment. He's very defensive of any perceived slight on this guest. It "infuriates" him so the faux intellectual line probably triggered him
Perfect summarisation of the world in which Joe, JP and their respective audiences reside in. Thanks Sam keep doing what you're doing.
right to center? that wasnt hard to figure out.
Incorrect.
@@ClydeusMaximus so it was hard to figure out Joe Jp and their respective audiences speak to those in the centre. or on the right to centre more traditionalist. Usually people say incorrect and then explain..
Jordan Peterson knows religion is bs, but he promotes it anyway just to monetize and milk the fools.
Finally a comment section that acknowledges that there so much good wisdom to be learned from Sam and Jordan.
@@saviormoney. if you read his books and listened to his podcast and took nothing away then you are a poor learner. The ability to learn from people you disagree with is powerful
@@rezur3kt698 he offers nothing someone else hasn't, without believing in State authoritarianism backed by Science™
Jordan yes, Sam? NO!
When I was a young man it was spellbinding to listen to Sam take 12 minutes to over explain a simple question while saying almost nothing profound or inspiring. If your gonna tease me for that long, there should be a payoff. He sounds so much like the preachers and teachers I grew up with. He is the same wolf wearing a different cloth.
I never understand what people see in this guy. The way he talks aggravates me and I have never in all these years finished one of his books, an interview or one of his podcasts and felt like he actually said something insightful or useful.
He works well to fall asleep to though 👍
Haven't heard sam in 3-4 years. Looks like he has been working out.😅 Though his face looks like he has aged quite a bit.
I mean if you want to continue liking him do not go and see what he has been saying the past 4 years.
I thought the same exact thing. He looks so much older than the last time I saw him, but he does look quite fit.
True but he looks pretty good for nearing 60 years old
@@__-vu8ioexamples please
Probably been hanging out with Rogan...
A very interesting contrast of personalities. Sam compliments Jordan, very classy. Jordan does help people, cannot deny this. 😊
😂 this was funny on so many levels😂 … also no one’s confused Sam
Clickbait title = no split from JP
I am secular, Sam Harris is not. He venerates the system, & anybody who has inherited the money & status he has probably would. I don’t agree with JP on faith but it painfully obvious he is a much deeper/profound thinker when compared to Mr. Harris.
Agreed.
Love Sam Harris' precise conversation on intellectual topics! Always learning something new when listening to his podcast :)
I am new to Sam - but his words feel like they trend to ‘pulling down’. Jordan’s in my experience, have always pulled me up. Jordan’s work has helped me truely transform my relationship with myself, my wife, my son and my career. Sam’s work is…nice/interesting.
It’s because Sam Harris sees the world from a reductionist view. Everything can be reduced to matter. Jordan Peterson embraces the mystery and sees the bigger picture. It’s a totally different worldview. The reason we’ve been able to build great civilisations is the embrace of the mystery (call it God if you will). The moment we reduce everything down to matter we dehumanise ourselves in the process and we see the crumbling of society… which is happening right now. Pendulum will always swing to that what makes sense, hence we see a massive a departure from atheism
Sam got me out of religion ten years ago, Jordan got me back into it recently. I still admire both of them to the fullest of my ability and I understand both of their perspectives in the debate. Hopefully they set up more discussions soon.
Name checks out
@@ethan-scott Very mature.
I don't know where you stand, religiously, but Robert Alter and Gary Rendsburg have made a huge impact on how I approach the bible. It's interesting how many atheist claims and accusations of scripture fall apart when you step out of their mindset and introduce even a little nuance.
@@stever7613 My stance is not well defined. I agree with the atheists in regards to the impossibility of supernatural events and the plethora of factual contradictions of the bible (I'm an engineer after all, so a scientist at heart). And I totally agree that the burden of proof is on the religious, and without any proof then the default stance should be atheism.
But I also agree with Peterson who makes the claim that 1. moral values are fundamentally religious and cannot be scientifically extracted from the world i.e. ethics are deontological rather than consequential and 2. the bible being factually incorrect is irrelevant, as that is outweighed by the archetypal stories it outlines relating to the nature and behaviour of humans, which to Peterson makes the bible "true in the fundamental sense".
I haven't yet bridged the gap between those two. Peterson's statement "I act as IF God exists" seems like it goes somewhere in-between, but there's no basis for it besides the utility it brings, which sounds a bit circular to me.
I appreciate your suggestions and will be sure to check them out.
You're still stuck in their childish, binary, atheism vs. religion paradigm. Both platitudes are false attempts to explain the unknowable.
Accept the mystery.
Find your own moral center.
Be your own example and watch your world change as you grow into it.
All men must die.
You must be reborn.
When you live those words you will see the wisdom.
I am so happy you talked to Sam. He has made comments that I agree with the main one here, being a massive overstatement, But i do think Sam is someone motivated to find whats real and reach out and touch it. He's a solid guest and a commendable person despite his faults
Sam Harris one of the biggest disappointments since 2019 ,it's a pity I liked him before Biden payroll .
Both Sam Harris and Dr. J.B. Peterson have looked into the abyss for far too long.
What does Sam have to say about Jordan's reckless, outright denial of the basic physics and chemistry of man-made global heating? And what about Jordan's resorting to outlandish conspiracy theories and relying on fake experts?
I want to like Sam, but his authoritarian impulses are too much for me to overcome.
To each their own.
who else is looking at sams biceps
*ROFL Harris: Those who thought I lost it, were Right of Centre...*
*Reality: Every Libertarian who believes in Democracy, thought he lost his mind.*
*I peed my self a little bit when Sam said: All these people are stuck their little Bubbles.*
Alas, it is not his fault, he believes he doesn't have freewill, so I guess its easy for him to put responsibility for his choices on other peoples shoulders.
Thank you for the annoyingly bolded and snarky belittling comment. It wasn’t the exact type of low quality and shallow UA-cam comment I was expecting.
@@vhufeosqap Thank you for your need to express how irony and satire offends you on behalf of someone else. It was the exact type of solipsistic self righteous Virtue signalling UA-cam Comment I was expecting....
...Grounded in anger, desperately looking for a target to vent, anonymously hypocritical, drowning in Hubris, yet in all that... ...Offering and Signifying Nothing.
🤔
@@LineaDeus
Snarky Horseshit
There is no free-will; its not about belief. And you should grow up.
@@WigganNuG I would forgive you, but since you have thrown your moral compass in the bin, by denial of your own capacity to choose. I would have to say, Is it so important to you, to misuse the value of any element of science when it’s convenient, to sell a vaccination against reality, disguised as objective certainty, under an appellation of Scientific Truth? The anti freewill hypothesis, is what it is, a thesis banded about by a minority of neuroscientists. Not not any kind of accepted peer reviewed practised Scientific Theory.
Even Pro. Daniel Dennett rejected it, and proved their is free will. and Claimed people like Sam Harris have been Coned.
The deterministic universe will ensure I listen to this upcoming podcast, through no free will of my own.
bwahah. you truly are enlightened...just like Sam.
You didn't read the book, did you?
@@jeecee3948 I've been following Sam's work for over a decade and have read most of his books. In case you couldn't tell, this comment was a facetious take on Sam's stance on free will (which I agree with).
Video production is awesome!! Looks like a movie.
I have listened and subscribed to Sam for at least 7 years and for a long time he was my go to intellectual for his articulate clarity on this crazy world. But something has shifted in the last couple of years, his podcasts aren't as stimulating as they used to be and I don't consume them as eagerly as I used to. His guests are often safe allies who don't challenge Sam in the ways that some of his past guests did, in particular Jordan Peterson. I really hope we get to see Sam duke it out in conversations with his intellectual rivals like he used to do more regularly. I wonder if we will see him on Joe Rogan again, or publicly converse with Bret Weinstein again.
I'm looking forward to the full chat he had with you Chris! You're doing great work.
TDS That’s what happened. I’m in the same boat as you, I always thought Sam to be a very well thought out dispassionate thinker. But his passion around Trump was so strong it strayed into derangement. It’s hard to look at him, or listen to his opinions the same way after you see this.
Agreed. And now he is boycotting RFK Jr. He doesn't want to give him a platform. It's like he is retreating into a bubble.
@@MrJpmoneypants exactly
He is not as focused on debates anymore
You talk of 'talking to safe' allies in the case of Harris and so I have to ask, what do you think of Peterson not even 'taking calls' from Matt Dillahunty after their talk? Matt refused to get suckered by Peterson's fairy fingers and bogus determinations and now your hero won't talk to him.
Harris is a brilliant example of how claiming to be rational does not make one so.
can we just talk about how Sam has become an ABSOLUTE UNIT?
Right!!!??? I'm surprised I had to scroll this far down to find a comment on this haha. Dude's jacked 💪
The irony of Sam accusing Joe and Jordan of being in an echo chamber-citing their views on mRNA and covid-while he refuses to debate literally anyone who holds those views.
Why would he waste his time on such profoundly stupid people.
@@SY-qg6qnExactly, also in Sam‘s words, its a huge opportunity cost. I wish though all of them get „back together“ and figure things out eventually. Such strong minds and characters that are still not being able to find a common ground. What agreement then can the divided common folks hope for, if these cannot find it?
He doesn't want to get even more people killed than these right wing podcast idiots have already done by spreading information. Remember Ivermectin? Bret is still pushing it even though it doesn't work. If you think Sam is living in an echo chamber, you haven't followed his work. Ironically, the people living in the biggest echo chambers right now are these psudo open-minded, "im totally not conservative but I empathize", Trump apologist podcasts that can hold the left's feet to the fire but won't say a bad word about the right. The ones that have so obviously been taken over by their audience, and have lost any shred of respect that they may have deserved.
Isn't it kind of the same as not being willing to debate flat earthers? An echo chamber is when you are not exposed to external opinions at all. That's different from not wanting to waste your time debating ridiculous propositions.
@@tobiasmadigan6000 dismissing a proposition (held by hundreds of millions of people in the case of the covid vax) as "ridiculous" is such a convenient excuse for shying from debate, isn't it?
the color grading in this video is fantastic.
Also, Sam still got it. I don't necessarily agree with every point he makes, but he is difficult it ignore in public discourse.
It’s crystal clear those debates with Peterson led Sam to reconsider Christianity. There’s no denying it, folks: the man’s been doing preacher curls.
I don't understand how such a course thinker and speaker, like Harris, can like a sloppy, word soup producing man that can't answer any question directly, like Peterson.
OMG you're fucking joking right!? JBP is literal meme of word salad answers!!! Remember all the jokes? "Hey JBP, how was your day" , "It all depends on what the HELL you mean by "Day"... word salad for an hour on the biblical meaning of "day" compared to the philosophies of Kant and the communists... Jesus the man can't answer a question to save his life.
Human life is about structure, there are the exceptional people who break that structure in a good or bad way. One lifestyle offers more support, one offers knowledge unfettered by common morality. Remember, the best scientists were simultaneously religious. The data is in silly Sam Harris.
These days (post hoax 2020) I find Bret Weinstein is much more rational and grounded than Harris. Dark horse, has more important material than his since then. I'd like to see Bret and Sam have a conversation.
since you believe in a "hoax 2020" it's obvious that you've left rational ground and embraced the dogmatism peddled by dark horse.
Think the gulf between Sam and Bret is even bigger than the one between Sam and JBP
Not going to happen. Sam said some things about Bret that he shouldn't have.
@@lukeannettdj I used to listen to Sam Harris a lot, read his books etc. I was really surprised to see his unwillingness to listen to reason once the plandemic began to unfold. I'm wondering if he's some kind of germaphobe or something. Maybe he was just legitimately fooled by all that nonsense?
I find Bret plays the role of a virologist a bit too confidently
I love both Sam's and Jordan's and how different they are, two people who've opened my mind to many, many important ideas.
I am not familiar with the gentleman conducting the interview as this is my first exposure to him.
That said, I deeply appreciate how he got out of Sam's way and let him fully answer the question put to him without the constant/near-constant interruptions that make so many interviewers so damned frustrating.
The result was getting to hear a more complete and nuanced answer from Sam Harris.
This is how all interviews should be conducted.
It's funny I felt the exact opposite. The pacing of the interview was wayyyy too slow and he meandered too much. A good interviewer keeps someone interesting and on point.
At minute 5 I realized I have no idea what was the question and what Sam is going on about. Yep cant wait for the 3 hour ep
Imagine a blind test of Sam's quote (4:07 and on) against some generic New-Age BS. How many people will be able to tell the difference?
Sam helped me find peace within myself during the dark solitude times of the pandemic. Jordan taught me how to use my initial existential depression as a tool to practically pick myself up, be the best person I could be, and begin to help others expecting nothing in return. Both impactful, Jordan far more for me. In a way, it's been an exploration of both the differences of buddhism and christianity, but also how they can work together. I understand Sam doesn't claim to be buddhist, and Jordan just revealed (in his own way) that he's Christian. Appreciate them both.
I was shocked by how much he aged I had to click on to see if he's not being mis portrayed
Trump did it.
DId you not notice how jacked his arms are though. Mans a unit. Thats more important than some grey hair.
@@WigganNuGwhy is important to have “jacked” arms?
'The burden is on us, at this point in history, to find a truly non-sectarian way or telling ourselves a story about what we value and what is possible.' - Sam Harris. This is the fundamental point for me. As much as I respect people of faith.
As an agnostic, and somebody who believes in logic, I think this is palpable nonsense. Firstly it is not a matter for non believers to come up with anything other than to live their one life with minimum suffering and maximum fun. Most atheists understand that - which is why they are not having kids. It is this fact that undermines any claim that atheists have that the burden of defining a better future comes down to them. Atheists are bound to go extinct leaving only the religious to re-populate the world. The future is Amish. A culture that produces 6 kids per couple and retains 90% of them in the belief system will take over America in 200 years and taken over the world shortly after. Atheism doesn't have a future.
You might not like that conclusion but it is the inevitable result of the differentiated rates of reproduction between fundamentalist religion vs atheism and the fact that we know that religious belief is in the genes. Atheism is the best thing that ever happened to religion - and the people at the top of Islam and the Catholic Church already know this - which is why they are trying so hard to convert each other and don't give a damn about atheists.
I respect people of faith too because they are people, period. It’s a bit harder to respect “Faith”, capital F.
This point in history? That has never been done. What you find instead is people like SH who have images of dead children in people's basements that don't bother them in the least compared to the scandal at Bump Univesity.
I made the mistake of following JP on social media and it's soured my opinion of him 😕
The Peterson, Harris debates for me was revealing. Jordon Peterson is the king of word salad . I mean , 20 minutes to dance around a question. He has managed to convince people that incoherance , delivered well is a philosophy.
Like Peterson , I am Canadian and I supported him on the speech laws in Canada that are ridiculous.
From my point of view Sam Harris is ahead of the place we are going to get to . I find him well balanced in his critque on both extremes of the political spectrums. The fact that commentators on the left and right equally despise him , probaly says more that he is on the right path . I disagree with Harris on the spiritual stuff . I feel it is just replacing Jesus with something else . When I die the game is over , no reason to fear death .
I was with you up until you thought Sam lost you on spirituality, saying you thought he's "replacing Jesus with something else." You utterly miss his thesis if that's your takeaway. Sam isn't 'trying' to "replace" a Jesus. He asserts the jury is still out on the full story of human consciousness, but that a completely non-sectarian/non-religious (areligious) experience can be arrived at without superstition, and eastern philosophy has given us meditation that gets ALL of us there without the baggage of tribal delusion and theology. Meditation isn't *his* to give, rather its an age-old tradition supplied by eastern philosophy that cuts through religious difference.
I find that Sam is so convinced of his own rationality that he never considers that he might be irrational or wrong about anything.
Would you change your mind if Sam has frequently and publicly admitted to where he has made mistakes, and that he has changed his opinion based on new information?
@@scoogsy sure. But every 6 months or so when I see his latest interview he has only doubled down on his opinions despite time generally disproving him.
@@harambeexpress Sam says things you don't agree with and you're sure he the one that's wrong?
AMEN
@@harambeexpress care to share an example?
I feel that Christopher Hitchens passed the torch to Sam Harris. And he has not let us down. JP is a Prophet- pure and simplle
I was so inspired, as were many others, in thier 4 part debate. I listened to Sam out if necessity when I could not digest, out of pure obstinacy I must add, the concept of God. Jordan helped me pave a path forward when he first became known defending free speech. The world witnessed a modern phenomenon, and that is what Jordan is. His evolvolution through his adversities, and accompanying dilaogue on his youtube channel inspired me to THINK and therefore SEE moving forward, to entertain thought through paprables.
Thank You Both for the roles you played in my life when I was where I was. I have still so much to learn and watching Jordan evolve has been one of the single most important displays of humility in my life time. People have an innate need to witness the human capacity for humility to have hope moving forward... Its fundamental. Jordan brought that to people and is a fine example of that, without apology.
Does Sam still have a safe word 🦞
Love listening to a wide range of intellectuals. Sam is the one where I am almost 100% in line with his thinking but Peterson, Dawkins, etc are all important listening...and oh do I miss Hitchens.
Hitchens would rend Peterson apart. Hitchens was direct and blunt with his language. Peterson is so flowery and fluffy that getting to his point is nearly impossible, even for him.
I wouldn't call it flowery and fluffy, but he doesn't make complex arguments easier to understand in the way that Harris does and Hitchens did 🙂
@@MartinWeller100 And I really don't think that Peterson makes impressive arguments at all. Having read one of his earlier books, I was stunned at how contemptuous of addicts he was, considering his education and vocation.
Then, to make matters both worse and very funny, Peterson completely ignored his own advice to get a medical coma that gave him brain damage.
His arguments were never good. Never impressive. Just flowery. Just fluffy. Circuituitous. Sometimes intentionally deceitful. Other times just bizarre or insane, like the Matt Dillahunty debate. And he lied his guts out about the thing that made him famous, the stupid Canadian hate law that didn't work or occur the way Peterson lied about.
I've never understood his popularity, aside from the right being desperate for anyone they consider a 'deep thinker.'
But Peterson is not a deep thinker. He never has been. He's a shallow thinker who is good at *pretending* , at *faking* that he's deep.
He's just an actor. In it for the money, not the honesty. Like Ben Shapiro or Stephen Crowder or Bill O'Reilly.
@@GoodAvatar-ut5pq the irony of a Harris fan saying this.
@@GoodAvatar-ut5pq False. Peterson is an incredibly deep thinking. You just don't like his conclusions.
Which is fine, you're entitled to you opinion. But as the neolib conceptual paradigm continues to die, people like Peterson will continue to proliferate and make more sense than Sam Harris. Sam was awesome for a time but he's quickly fading.
Sam is the most intelligent and rational person I’ve ever listened to.
I implore you to expand your horizons a bit because Sam is clearly a broken man.
@@johnjames2470 Oh yeah, I always take advice from youtubers
@@michaelrivera6989 : You mean UA-camr's like Sam Harris? Why wouldn't you take advice from someone you describe as THE MOST intelligent and rational person you've ever listened to? Sam Harris who recently said on a UA-cam podcast that "Hunter Biden literally could have had the corpses of children in his basement. I would not have cared". Are you also a psychopath whose heros are political hacks that subscribe to delusional ideologies?
What’s ironic, from what I’m reading, and from my own experience is that Sam actually has helped people get to religious experience which of course he detests.
I started listening to Sam about 7 years ago and thought he was great because I was an atheist who was clearly missing something. I bought 12 Rules for Life around that time, started reading and it mentioned God and I got rid of it because I was a stubborn atheist. About a year later I figured I’d be smart to give it another go and from then on Jordan’s message resonated with me. I would now say I am a Christian, who still sometimes struggles with the concept of God, but I fundamentally disagree with Sam’s overarching critique of religion. I find religion to be inevitable. And to me, the Christian ethic seems to line up with the path to the greatest good. I’m happy to have ran into both of these men.
I’m so glad Sam is carving out this lane. Peterson, once promising, is literally unbearable at this point. The whole “right-center” podcast sphere is made up of people who say controversial things merely to gain an audience mainly of aggrieved young men. Harris could have gone down that path, but he chose not to because he has integrity. Sam is by far the sanest of the bunch.
That's a fair criticism. However, Peterson is far better suited for the masses than someone like Harris. Harris is too much of an abstract philosopher. His ideas are not well-suited for mass audiences. Peterson's strength is not as an academic or philosopher but as a therapist. That's why he's so incredibly popular.
@@scratchpenny Yeah, and if he stayed in his lane, that would have been perfectly fine. Unfortunately, he seems to have contracted the same illness most public figures eventually get infected with - talking publicly about things he doesn´t understand. He probably knows a lot about psychology, but about political science and history, not so much. However, he does know enough to appear knowledgeable to people who are not very educated in those fields, which is potentially quite dangerous.
Think you have taken a wrong turn and seem to have very poor interpretation skills. Good luck with that!
@@mattvanemden7573 thanks! Happy New Year!
Audience capture and information skewing.
Sam nails it again. And it happens on both sides but he’s one of the few on the public stage that sees it.
lol. Sam is one of the few that see it? Have you seen him talk about Trump?
@@LordRykard9376 I have. Yes.
@crestiferj2689 so you missed the irony of Sam saying this.
@@LordRykard9376 yup. That’s it.
@@crestiferj2689 I thought you guys were so enlightened and better than everyone else.
Both men equally make a difference and are deep thinkers, just because they disagree on things it should not undermine their significance on others. my personal experience, when listening to Jordan Peterson has opened my eyes to the systematic limited beliefs we were programmed to since we were born and forced me to use my critical thinking and question the validity of things we see and hear on mainstream media.
Both men are interesting, because they aren't dumb and they are bold. But mainly both men are good marketers, and that's why we know about them. Neither are better thinkers or more profound than your average college philosophy professor or even well-read taxi driver. It's actually not the depth, uniqueness or even clarity of their propositions that draws us to them, it's their ability to market and appeal to our emotions. Same with Joe Rogan. I just want to put out there that it's important to be aware that the people we are talking about here have as their biggest talent marketing and salesmanship. It's just done in a way that sounds intellectual (more intellectual than it really is). I find it more interesting to listen to either of them not as much because of any brilliance, but to understand what it is that people are lacking or desperate for, for better or for worse. Same with the youtuber making this podcast. No special talent that is greater than their quite good talent = mastering the UA-cam algorithm and triggering people enough to get lots of hits.
I love this guy! Literally saved my life. I was not going to get the COVID vaxxx, but he convinced me to do it and I am still alive. Thank you, sir.
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Yeah so am I and I DIDN'T get it!
@@JaneMarshall68 Woah! That's lucky. But that won't last. COVID will get you sooner or later. That or not doing everything that Dr. Sam Harris says, even though you have no choice.
“One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply & be quite insane.” Nikola Tesla.
Sam seems like a good bloke, but he has unfortunately fallen for himself and has no peers to challenge it. He used to wilt humbly in Hitch’s presence and it kept him a far more balanced soul
I like Sam but even as refreshing as this monologue was, he still believes that the information we receive through mainstream media is not mostly fake, and yet the reality has proven different. Just look at what all honest left-leaning journalist have done in the last couple of years, most of them I've gone on their own or onto independent platforms.
Covid did make Sam go crazy. Hope hes recovered.
I dont hope for any kind of rekindled relationship, unless Sam can somehow get through to Jordan. I dont know how genuine Jordan is in the first place either though.
I was sam’s biggest fan. He changed my life by convincing me to meditate. I went from a good person who had heinous flaws to a good person that has reasonable flaws.
However he’s just too gone right now for me. He seems insane in some regards and I say that diligently. He repeatably denies truths and realities that aren’t just self evident but then sadly he disputes them with horrible proclamations like his dead children’s comment. This is an ongoing trend and I won’t support his clear downfall. He deserves the hate he’s gotten and I hope like the hate I received years ago, he’ll also step up and come back from the dead.
I respect Sam for not being a right-wing apologist who looks the other way at all of the flaws of Trump and his movement. Every other shill in the “intellectual dark web” like Dave Rubin, etc. all constantly criticize the left and never utter a peep about the right. Sam actually stayed true to his convictions and didn’t hop on the bandwagon. He easily could have.
I remember a time when he was highly critical of Islamic fundamentalism and was nearly cancelled for it by the mainstream left. He did not falter.
In all sincerity, I would kindly request some examples of him "denying truths". I'm either blind to it, or have missed these apparent glaring issues with his thinking, because I haven't seen it. But I'm readily open to the possibility.
@@ThePhanaticalOne For me, his take on Brett Weinstein, his comments about the children in the basement and then his recent take on RFK jr caused me to take a step back and re-evaluate which topics I can still receive his influence in a healthy way. I still like Sam, but I don't see him in the same light.
@@RC-hv1yxit’s one thing to critique flaws, but he’s not. He’s lost his mind when it comes to Trump.
@@joebeezy9471 No he hasn’t. You people have become so accustomed to Trump that you don’t realize how incredibly outlandish and detrimental him and his supporters are to this country. Stealing classified documents, pressuring election officials to overturn results (including throwing his own VP under the bus for not trying to subvert the election), encouraging his supporters on January 6th, etc. All we get from the right is “nah it’s just a witch hunt.” They literally won’t criticize the guy at all. The 1/3 of Americans who worship this guy are the ones who have lost their minds, not Sam Harris.
I can say that Sam taught me how to think rationally and how to prioritise rationality. It has completely changed the way I see the world and kept me away from religous or cultural feudalism. He brought peace into my life. JP on the other hand gave very basic advice, which I think could be good for someone who hit rockbottom, but not me...
Inam actually more of a Petersen fan than Harris, but whathe says about Rogan etc being in an echo chamber of half truths etc is absolutely spot on here.
Sam is so isolated in an echo chamber …….he really is an extremely sheltered person
Exactly. Sam is definitely ensconced in the same type of echo chamber he accuses Rogan and Peterson of being held hostage in.
the echo chamber of Objective Reality, whereas JP and others are in an echo-chamber of Fantasy
Sam is still the GOAT when it comes to arguing religion and making his point concisely.
Most other people just make stuff up that has no basis whatsoever. And they take these positions because their whole history and family history would be based on bullshit, and they can’t handle the embarrassment vs accepting real truth.
You don't realize that Sam is stuck in a prison of cognitive dissonance and his worldview is crumbling around him. Covid killed his mind and exposed his frightened inner child to the world.
Harris actually criticised Peterson and at the same time didnt do it in a hatefull way, this is a first, everyone else either adores him or loathes him. I hope he can have a confrontational yet friendly conversation with Peterson, it could do so much good.
I’m not a fan of Sam but it’s good to see him.
Can’t wait for this. I’ve heard you mention wanting to have him on for years. Proud and not surprised that you made it happen.
I doubt Sam would be so charitable towards JP if he still had a twitter account. The man has gone completely off his rocker.
Still can't forgive Harris for his blinkered thinking on Trump...
Don't forget, dead babies in a basement is better than Orange Man! Also, don't forget to be a moral person.....or something.
@@MrBannystar that's exactly what I was thinking of, big Triggernometry fan...
@@firefly9838 You're clearly missing a hell of a lot of context, I recommend you watch his interview with Triggernometry.
Also, how you can say he was right on Trump compared to the shiteshow of the Biden Administration is utterly laughable. Trump was far better for The US, and you clearly buy into whatever narrative you're sold.
@@firefly9838 there is no hope for people like you, you don't believe in democracy or the will of the people...
The "I used to like Sam until he got TDS" line is so tired-I know it's difficult to hear for you acolytes of the autocratic, conspiracy-mongering, faux-christian grifter who sought to undermine our democracy, but Sam's take on Trump was dead on.
It does seem like Sam had a breakdown, but deleting social media and just switching off the noise can be extremely beneficial. I hope he is at a better point now, and it seems likely that everyone would continue any discussions.
Or maybe he just doesn't like Trump? It's ok to have that opinion.
I hope Sam Harris one day will have his veil lifted. He's a great thinker and i respect him as that.