Will always miss Tony Grieg, RIP. This reminded me that he was great not only for his memorable on-field commentary of iconic cricketing moments, but that he also added perspective to ongoing debates about issues surrounding the sport as well.
@@miropribanic5581 I disagree. Tony Greig played in an era where this went on all the time. But, you can't have rules for one and not the other. Calling a black person a primate or a monkey as the Indians were doing to Roy is crossing the line by todays standards. Greig always had issues with sledging especially when playing for England against Australia, so his comments aren't that surprising. I knew as soon as I came across this clip what his response would be. But he was as bad as he portrays the Australians were. He was one of the biggest smartarses of all time (RIP). But the precedent was set, mostly by the sub continental teams - no racial attacks, and then the minute they cross the boundaries it's all played down. Who is running the game? We're not stupid.
Tony Greig made a huge mistake in saying that he would make the West Indies team grovel in the mid 1970's. He also held his hands up and apologised,along with crawling on his knees on the floor after being dismissed in the first test match after saying it. He learned from that mistake which is all you can do. Which I have huge respect for.
@@craigedwards2940 - It was never proved if Harbhajan actually called Symonds a monkey (if you ask me, it is not that common in India to call others monkey, unless one keeps jumping or performing stunts all the time), whereas it is proven that Australians used to call Sri Lankans black monkey.
Agreed, he was a good bloke and a brilliant commentator. I didn't know that he started having health problems at that time, especially as he didn't pass away until 2012 I think it was.
This video makes me so sad of the greats of the game we have lost off our TV screens in recent years, Slats (domestic violence), McGill (cocaine), Tony Greig, Warnie, Simmons, Rod Mash… so many great players lost to us.
@@shaunakkulhalliyes he said that, and he admitted that he made a terrible mistake. When he was dismissed in the first test match after saying that, he left the field on his knees crawling, in a display of him grovelling. Which earned him a lot of respect and rightly so, as he proved that he knew he'd made a mistake, held his hands up and admitted it, and said sorry and learned from it. If you do that then I have no problem with it at all.
@@davidgraham8299 o, but they did carry on like a bunch of self-entitled brats and threatened to go back home early. It's a shame they didn't. The BCCI are ruining the game.
Whatever happened in the monkeygate saga, Tony was bang on when he questioned what made Harbhajan say that. In the end, Harbhajan has used a slang used in India “Maa ki” which was constructed as “Monkey”. Slater was shown mirror right away by Tony when he reminded him as to what he did in Mumbai 2001, that was equally bad.
Abe chu... did you hear some of the Indian cricketers, one such was Sehwag, when they said Harbhajan was very very lucky to escape the life ban? Had it not been for the growing BCCI clout.......
@@nathankerin590 (For context, I'm Brit living in America. I don't have a hat in the ring). I see no compelling evidence to 'believe' either side. The fact of the matter is that there was no stump mic recording of Harbhajan and the only people who could've clearly heard what was said was Harbhajan, Symonds and maybe Tendulkar (at least according to Hansen's opinion after the trial). Ponting, Hayden and Clarke have no useful information. They're backing up their teammate (good on them), but no solid evidence otherwise. Tendulkar's probably biased since he wants to preserve his team's reputation. The umpires hadn't heard anything. This is the ultimate 'he said, she said' case. We don't definitively know what happened and I'm not willing to prejudge either side. Tough luck. Maybe the ICC should invest in better, higher gain microphones so that we know what happens the next time. The one thing that I'm sure of is that Proctor overstepped his authority by claiming that the Indians were lying and the Aussies weren't. There is no _possible_ way he could've independently deduced that besides just deciding that Ponting et al. were just more trustworthy.
Rest in peace and Rest in greatness Tony Grieg.. as he said off the field settlement of the issue would have been great.. but there was not mutual respect among players to discuss this off field..
In his autobiography "Retired Hurt", Mahanama criticizes the Australian cricketers for the amount of sledging they do during play and refers to a particular incident where Australian fast bowler Glenn McGrath calls Sanath Jayasuriya a "Black Monkey".
Mate, calling someone a black monkey doesn’t sound like a thing an Australian would say… the monkey part I mean. I reckon he either misheard or is pork pie ing
@@zizhaoxia6740 got to disagree. I lived 10 years in south East London; woolwich, lewisham, deptford, bromely, plumstead and eltham. I’ve worked in schools from Peckham to dartford, and compared to what I’ve seen in Australia London is worse. I was actually told to go back to Australia because I was taking away a job from an English person. Eltham was the worst. The odd black person there was treated with animosity. Once I opened my mouth I got the stink eye too. To be honest,most people weren’t bad, just a decent chunk of the white population. Egypt was the worst for me. Only place I’ve ever had rocks thrown at me. Walking down a street in Alexandria, rocks whizzing past me… riding a bike past a school in siwa, all the kids running out and throwing rocks at us… and the two teachers watching. They had good arms too. I was told by a guy who asked me my religion that the worst Muslim was better than the best Christian. Most people were nice , but the unpleasant ones stood out. I used to know a French girl whose partner was Indian. They lived in Tanzania, but he hated it there… too many black Africans for him. There are racists all over. But if you think Australia is a few decades behind England I think you’re kidding yourself. In the last election our anti immigration parties did terribly.
@@gattingbowledwarne I am not saying Australia is racist - but things can get bad in Australia. During covid - Western Sydney was specifically locked down while the white majority suburbs got a free pass. Comparing Australia/England etc to Egypt is whataboutism. Egypt is not part of the global economy the same was as the commonwealth countries are.
@@betadevb I cited Egypt as a personal experience. The original poster made the silly statement that Australia was decades behind England vis a vis racism. My Egyptian anecdote was a contrast to what his concept of racism is. People tend to view things through their own prism. You see the unfair lockdown as proof of something racial because 80 % of gws is not white. I see it as a Liberal government who was always late with their response to outbreaks refusing to apply the law to the wealthier, more conservative voting eastern suburbs. 20 % of GwS is white, and predominantly working class… my cousins from parramatta, all white, were in that lockdown.
Would still love to know how India became the victims here, bad umpiring aside. The fallout from this disgraceful incident ruined Andrew Symonds international career. Australia should have also been better in supporting him, instead of worrying about crying Indians and rabid media.
Andrew Symonds was a slimey prick . God rest his soul. On top of that the Australian team was a disgrace when it came to sportsmanship. They Lied about the racist remarks which weren't even racist to begin with. Imagine calling an illiterate Punjabi a racist, who isn't even educated about slavery and its history, someone who has no idea about what it means to call a black person a "monkey". On top of that, harbhajan singh comes from a country that worships monkeys because of lord Hanuman. Imagine proving to the whole world that indeed you've convict genes and you're not capable of understanding the basic thing that people around the world have different understanding of things compared to you.
Aussies thought they could get away with anything. While growing up, I saw watching Indian players getting sweared by Australian players every freaking minute without any iota of shame. Indian players, gentlemen as they were mostly quiet. Not anymore! India finally stood up and said no. Not when we have the financial clout! This happened even before the IPL. Can you imagine any Aussie cricketer saying what Slater has said then? Indian public and Indian board would ensure that repentance is in order!
@@KiriAatam Shame all that money still can't buy world championships you clown. As for Slater, where is he now? Nowhere. Indian broadcasters were still happy giving him jobs for years.
Where to begin, firstly he made up an accusation tried to be a victim himself. The word monkey was never uttered. I find it hilarious that the Australians (known and repeated racists) tried to cry racism.
Aussies of that era were skillful in one thing, that is, to picture the whole thing as if the opponent was at fault, while not speaking about all the things they say on field. It's not as if there are a set of words that can be used and another set that cannot be. Things are a lot better now, in this era.
As an Aussie, it seems that Tony Grieg, had the pragmatic and more correct opinion than Slater. It did require leaders from both sides like Ponting, Hayden, Kumble and Tendulkar to resolve this. It didn't happen.
No, Tony Greig always enjoyed the chit chat, as a player in fact he often started it, but this was a racial issue, and if the situation had been reversed, given how sensitive Indian people are, we'd never have heard the end of it.
@@craigedwards2940 Indians are sensitive?? Andrew Symonds literally milked this story and played the sympathy card right until he died. Thank F for that
@@purothepro Mate I'm Indian, we are sensitive - not all of us, but certainly enough to seem big. Its almost always poor me... And the fact you've literally said "thank f" to a person dying, as a function and response of a generalised comment proves it.
micheal slater reading the face of Harbhajan saying he is guilty is a total Joke. What Harbhajan said in those days was "theri MAAKI" which means your mother. But it was blown out of proportion becuase those days harbhajan or other Indian players weren't that fluent in English. Aussies were never a good spirited team while they were winning and sleding people .
And Harbhajan personally admitted that to you? Stop talking out of your arse mate. Ponting had a conversation with Harbhajan regarding that prior to the Test Series back when they had played in India. Goes to tell you, it wasn't the first time that had happened. Tendulkar altered his story 4 times, from sliding it off under the guise of sledging, to not hearing what was said, to settling for an abuse in his native language. Given the power BCCI had and the sheer fact that the Indians threatened to quit the tour would have meant Cricket Australia suffer massively financially. CA eventually agreed upon downgrading the alleged comment from racial vilification to abuse, at the expense of Symond's career and possibly his mental well-being.
mind you, Harbhajan is no slouch, yes the Aussies will sledge and do stuff that they do, but BCCI did flex their muscles to get Singh out of this situation with other players lying through their teeth, which is fine, they stood up to their mate
@@edgedandcaughtIf Harbajan actually said 'theri MAAKI', it may sound like Monkey. All humans don't know of what was actually said, as if anything was said. Because no microphone could pick it up. The Indian team know of what he said, because he may had told them so. Symonds was a real sook and Drama Queen. It's your problem if u don't understand other people's language, if he said anything to him in Punjabi or Hindi. Some people lose it, if anyone stares/glares at them.
The Aussies were whiney and couldn’t take it once they got it back but lets face it as an Indian well know he used the Monkey word. Until this incident hardly any Indian understood the gravity of the word among other cultures. He said it and he meant it
Tony greig being a true pragmatist here, realising that the aussies didn't take kindly to any sledging hurled their way in response to the slur they've dished out over the years (also borne out by the racial chants made by the Aussie crowds to the touring west Indians in the 80s and to Mohammad siraj recently). It isn't fair dinkum when it's given back to the Aussies.
You mean the "slurs" directed at Siraj that weren't proven and led to a group of young men being vilified in the media for no reason? The "slurs" that weren't heard by any of the people surrounding said group of young men? Those ones?
@@utha2665 The damage is only for Indian cricket. BCCI is responsible for Indian cricket downfall. Rest ICC is responsible as they didn't help Zimbabwe, Kenya, Nambia,. Scotland, Nepal & other emerging cricket nations. They were focused only on big teams as they bring revenues. IPL brought every cricket board on its knees due to the money & benefits it offered. Because of IPL many cricket boards have survived. Otherwise only SENA countries would have survived.
@@prakir3590 I don't agree. The BCCI have bullied and coerced the ICC on numerous occasions to get their own way. Decisions have been changed under threat of pulling the Indian team from series.
As an Indian, I am grievously ashamed at the vitriol that the late Mr Symonds had to endure that day in Mumbai. However, Tony Greig's point about non racial abuse being classified as "what happens on the field stays there" is spot-on. Abuse, regardless of it's nature, should be reprimanded. Cricket should bring joy to people, competitiveness should never be misconstrued as the fact that the opponent should be made to feel as uncomfortable as possible, regardless of the means employed.
I feel so bad that Harbhajan was targeted even if he said monkey. He was attacked with filthy language. So it needs to be fair .Ponting also said many things throughout his career. You being ashamed why don't you donate money and do something for racial victim. That will make you feel better
Remember - what India expects everyone to believe is that Harbhajan was perfectly capable of having a conversation in English with Brett Lee, for several overs, but the very instant Andrew Symonds says something to Harbhajan , Harbhajan replies with a word or sentence in a language he knew Symonds wouldn’t understand, and was the one slur that sounded remarkably like the only singular word that prior to the series the Australians specifically didn’t want said to Symonds. How extremely convenient…… Furthermore, the subsequent inquiry found that because neither Andrew Symonds nor any of his teammates speak Hindi, they couldn’t ascertain beyond doubt exactly what Harbhajan said because he does speak Hindi. What has never been ascertained is why Harbhajan, given he had an entire language of words to pick from, chose the Hindi slur that sounds almost exactly like “monkey”. Especially considering how prevalent “benchod” is as a slur, which sounds nothing like “monkey”. Similarly, if “maa ki” is a normal thing to say, you’d think at least once it would have been uttered and misunderstood by a West Indian, or a South African, or a Zimbabwean by now. Funny how that hasn’t happened since…..
Ind shd. Left tour in d middle as ds Aus. Players always did pitty things to disturb opposition teams more specifically when they r lossing 4m Asian teams
I think Australia was shown a mirror here… really miss Tony Grieg! Tony accurately pointed out that it needs to be understood what made Harbhajan say what he did… Aussies are no way holy angels on field.
It seemed obvious that the Indian player accused had changed his story, claiming he was being abusive just to avoid the racial abuse accusation. Given that the Mumbai crowd made monkey noises at Symonds, Singh did likely call Symonds a monkey at that later game.
@@WorldSacred When Aussies use swear words, Indians have to endure it! When we give it back, Aussies would behave like school children and complain to the teacher! People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones at others!
What are you talking about? Do you even know? It was a RACIAL slur, not a comment about his batting or bowling technique. Anyway, in Roy's memory, we screwed them up in the World Test Championship and the World Cup, on their own soil.
@@craigedwards2940 well how often have Australians just stopped at the technique? Besides it should not be looked as who did what. Even Aussies were defeated on their own soil!
@@craigedwards2940 Calling someone Monkey is not considered a racial slur in India. But, using swear words is considered abhorrent and ugly in India which is reserved for vile human beings. World Test Championship has always been held in England and never in India. India had reached the finals twice out of 2 times. Had the final happened in India, Aussies would cry at the sight of the pitch before the 1st ball is bowled, and discredit India's win. Kudos to your team for winning the WC in India against India which was considered improbable. Symonds and many Aussie players get to play in the IPL and earn millions. India pays your players more than your own cricket board. So, please have some shame and stop talking about retribution.
I like how Tony Greg challenges the Australians calling foul when they have dirty hands themselves. As an Aussie if I had a penny for everytime I've seen racist slurs by the Aussies towards the Indians, Sri Lankans, Pakistanis and Windies I'd be a millionaire. I'm glad the new era of T20s has got rid of a lot of the nationalism towards the game. We all love cricket, no need for abuse.
Nobody can and should defend crowds behavior in mumbai.Time and again they have done to even indian cricketers in ipl. Few ipl back they boo'd Virat Kohli because he was playing against Mumbai team.
Harbhajan said "Maa ki" which symonds interpreted as monkey. But aussie had been doing sledging for years...until kohli started giving them back especially showing mid finger to whole aussie crowd😅 2018 Bgt & they started whining about it.
As Indian I'm ashamed of u and the Indian crowd behaves towards other players and going to players insta and say things to their families is nothing but disgrace
Yeah, how convenient, throw in a word that sounds like monkey. After what happened in the ODI series in India where it was absolutely clear what was being said and what was written. Singh will never man up to it, seeing Symonds is now gone.
@@utha2665 the thing is, no one uses the slur "monkey" in India. While almost everyone has used "teri maa ki" - particularly the part of India Harbhajan is from. Calling black people "monkey" is not an Indian thing. This wouldn't even occur to most Indians. Black people do face racism in India, but no black person in India gets called "monkey".
My question is that were Australia playing series with the right spirits? Aussies are known for their misconduct on the field in order to be aggressive in game. So they must know when you start something you should be ready to take whatever come back to you. It do not matter to be or not to be racists as in my view any personal comment is as bad as being racist comment.
Australian shouldn’t say anything about bullying players because they are the master of it,people may have forgotten behaviour of MacGrath, Steve waugh,Shane warne,Hayden etc etc...
What nonsense. He speaks English and Symonds never spoke any other language so why would Singh sledge in Hindi? And if he did, why not immediately apologise for how it sounded?
for allwe know, may be the cheater aussies just came up with a story wherein harbhajan abused symonds by saying monkey and actually nothing happened at all , may be harbhajan did not even say Maa ki , probably it was all done to trouble harbhajan who was getting onto pontings nose in that series and dismissing him like a piece of cake. You never know how low the cheating australian team could fall in those days
Because they're Lowlife. Whenever Aussies say things racist, they say that they're not, because that's the way those people are in their culture or whatever.
Those who followed the game of cricket in that era know how loud mouthed that Aussie team was. It would have been hilarious to see them duelling against present day Indian team who are not only talented and skilled but those who can enjoy being loudmouth on the ground as well. I would have loved to see Ricky Ponting try his tactics on Virat Kohli and having seen Kohli so far, I feel he would see to it that Ricky gets double of what he delivers 😅😂
You must have hatched out the egg a fortnight ago. Ponting would eat this Kohli dude alive. Kohli almost pissed his pants facing a nobody like Naveen ul Haq and you're hallucinating he would weigh up to the great Ricky Ponting.
@@NaveenKumar-tv1vf Great Ricky ponting my foot. Apt term would be Cheater Ponting. Go and look at the footage of 2008 series before you open your mouth next time
Get over yourselves, that old chestnut, they wanted Singh out of the game so they made up a story, what a load of BS. Australia, the strongest team in the world at the time being afraid of an off spinner? That's laughable.
This happened 16 years ago you muppet. Nothing like this has happened since no matter who was who was right or wrong. So how the f has it degenerated whiney
As God confirmed that Harbhajan paaji did not say Monkey he said "Teri Maa ki.." a rather common slur which is frustration being vented... As he did not complete that line it's not a racist slur.. And Monkeys are super smart.. how is that a bad word.. monkeys in India are considered God per "Hanuman" .. It was downright awful umpiring rigged up up by the Aussie board of that time. Ponting, good batsman, one of the best captains.. not the most honest one though. You can see Hayden, Gilli and other rather very decent players did not drum the beats of war.. so get on with it..
Well, that's Harbhajan's story and he's sticking to it. And you believe the umpiring was rigged? The Australian team have no input into what umpires are selected and they were both international umpires. It might be a common issue where you come from with match fixing, but it doesn't happen in Australia. You saw the backlash of the Australian public and Cricket Australia over the sandpaper issue, there is just no way in hell any Australian would get away with match fixing. The ONLY reason so much was ever said about that was because of the reaction from within. The ICC banned Smith and Warner for 1 Test Match and Bancroft lost 75% of his match fee, it could have easily been left at that. As for Ponting not being honest I Just don't think you understand. I assume you are talking about the claiming of low down catches in that series? I don't know if you have ever been in the situation of taking a low down catch. It's not easy to know if the ball hit the ground first, or whether you fingers were too splayed, in the fast motion of diving forward you feel you have fairly caught the ball. Even after all the replays it's still inconclusive, but to call him dishonest for that is wrong.
Wow...Tony Grieg who commented that he will make the West Indies grovel in 1975 is talking about racism. Btw, Harbhajan was wrong here. He should not have used the "Maa ki" remark which was interpreted as Monkey by the Aussies. Ironically, all those involved in the so called Monkey Gate saga were in the same dressing room in IPL. Ultimately, its everything about the money 😂
I've seen racist comments made by players to their teammates. Ugly. Tendulkar clearly lied and the Indian group had the decision reversed against Singh based on money. Says it all.
That's what I've been saying too. The BCCI threatened to end the series if the 3 match ban wasn't repealed and the ICC folded, just like when Tendulkar was accused and found guilty of ball tampering, the same thing happened.
It's just words and sledging, Australians give it out and don't mind getting it back. There are lines that can be crossed but this isn't one of those situatuions.
Will always miss Tony Grieg, RIP.
This reminded me that he was great not only for his memorable on-field commentary of iconic cricketing moments, but that he also added perspective to ongoing debates about issues surrounding the sport as well.
and above all, he was an absolute expert when it comes to racist remarks in cricket, so he was the right person to have as a guest
@@miropribanic5581 I disagree. Tony Greig played in an era where this went on all the time. But, you can't have rules for one and not the other. Calling a black person a primate or a monkey as the Indians were doing to Roy is crossing the line by todays standards. Greig always had issues with sledging especially when playing for England against Australia, so his comments aren't that surprising. I knew as soon as I came across this clip what his response would be. But he was as bad as he portrays the Australians were. He was one of the biggest smartarses of all time (RIP). But the precedent was set, mostly by the sub continental teams - no racial attacks, and then the minute they cross the boundaries it's all played down. Who is running the game? We're not stupid.
Tony Greig made a huge mistake in saying that he would make the West Indies team grovel in the mid 1970's. He also held his hands up and apologised,along with crawling on his knees on the floor after being dismissed in the first test match after saying it. He learned from that mistake which is all you can do. Which I have huge respect for.
@@craigedwards2940 - It was never proved if Harbhajan actually called Symonds a monkey (if you ask me, it is not that common in India to call others monkey, unless one keeps jumping or performing stunts all the time), whereas it is proven that Australians used to call Sri Lankans black monkey.
The saddest part of this interview is Tony Greig's coughing, which indicates the early stages of his lung cancer. Poor bloke, what a gentleman he was.
Agreed, he was a good bloke and a brilliant commentator. I didn't know that he started having health problems at that time, especially as he didn't pass away until 2012 I think it was.
This video makes me so sad of the greats of the game we have lost off our TV screens in recent years, Slats (domestic violence), McGill (cocaine), Tony Greig, Warnie, Simmons, Rod Mash… so many great players lost to us.
Tony Greig! What a legend
Tony Greig such a legend. Probably the most unbiased and neutral Legend to have graced the game both on and off the field.
Lol what? Do you not know of his history of saying grovel to the West Indians? Leave off whitewashing his personality.
@@shaunakkulhalliyes he said that, and he admitted that he made a terrible mistake. When he was dismissed in the first test match after saying that, he left the field on his knees crawling, in a display of him grovelling. Which earned him a lot of respect and rightly so, as he proved that he knew he'd made a mistake, held his hands up and admitted it, and said sorry and learned from it. If you do that then I have no problem with it at all.
2008 Sydney test made it sure. Auz can not afford to annoy Indians.
World cup mein teri gand mar k chaly gaye😂😂😂 trophy ko feet k neeche b diya😂😂😂😂
WHAT??? R U kidding?? Get over yourselves.
You didn't even win that test, much less anything else.
@@davidgraham8299You'd think they'd actually win a tournament or two before chirping.
@@davidgraham8299 o, but they did carry on like a bunch of self-entitled brats and threatened to go back home early. It's a shame they didn't. The BCCI are ruining the game.
@@davidgraham8299because of umpiring errors
Whatever happened in the monkeygate saga, Tony was bang on when he questioned what made Harbhajan say that. In the end, Harbhajan has used a slang used in India “Maa ki” which was constructed as “Monkey”. Slater was shown mirror right away by Tony when he reminded him as to what he did in Mumbai 2001, that was equally bad.
Lol. You blokes will believe anything
Abe chu... did you hear some of the Indian cricketers, one such was Sehwag, when they said Harbhajan was very very lucky to escape the life ban? Had it not been for the growing BCCI clout.......
Don't you think racial criticism is made in India.
@@user-pq7yj7ul7k By all means, and quite a lot, more than anywhere else in the world.
@@nathankerin590 (For context, I'm Brit living in America. I don't have a hat in the ring). I see no compelling evidence to 'believe' either side. The fact of the matter is that there was no stump mic recording of Harbhajan and the only people who could've clearly heard what was said was Harbhajan, Symonds and maybe Tendulkar (at least according to Hansen's opinion after the trial).
Ponting, Hayden and Clarke have no useful information. They're backing up their teammate (good on them), but no solid evidence otherwise. Tendulkar's probably biased since he wants to preserve his team's reputation. The umpires hadn't heard anything. This is the ultimate 'he said, she said' case. We don't definitively know what happened and I'm not willing to prejudge either side. Tough luck. Maybe the ICC should invest in better, higher gain microphones so that we know what happens the next time.
The one thing that I'm sure of is that Proctor overstepped his authority by claiming that the Indians were lying and the Aussies weren't. There is no _possible_ way he could've independently deduced that besides just deciding that Ponting et al. were just more trustworthy.
Aussies usually are ok with Barmy Army calling them "cheaters".
Sachin batting, Brett Lee, Shane (rip loved you), McGrath bowling with commentry with Tony Grieg and Ravi.. the most beautiful combo to most Indians..
How was losing BEAUTIFUL? They used to own our team back then..
Shane Warne = potential rapist
Attitude of Australian players then ex.Matthew Hayden towards India and their attitude now(due to IPL💸💸) is completely different and partly hilarious.
Don’t worry, the whole world thinks India is shit they just won’t say it
You butt is still stinging from that WC choke 😂🇦🇺🇦🇺👌
Hayden is awful.
@@lukeward5713 How is Hayden awful? What has he done to upset you?
@@utha2665the most racist Aussie player
Tony Greg legend
Thank you for the ODI world cup and Test Championship 🏆🐒🙈
This should've been a comedy panel show in front of live audience like the afl footy show and the nrl footy show
Apologies as I was not aware Andrew is no more.. bless him.. a nice and furious player on the field.. probably a great guy in real life.
Lovely comment
Aussies were sledding like a f**k...! When it's other way around they just riled up..!
Rest in peace and Rest in greatness Tony Grieg.. as he said off the field settlement of the issue would have been great.. but there was not mutual respect among players to discuss this off field..
In his autobiography "Retired Hurt", Mahanama criticizes the Australian cricketers for the amount of sledging they do during play and refers to a particular incident where Australian fast bowler Glenn McGrath calls Sanath Jayasuriya a "Black Monkey".
Mate, calling someone a black monkey doesn’t sound like a thing an Australian would say… the monkey part I mean.
I reckon he either misheard or is pork pie ing
@@gattingbowledwarne mate australia is quite a few decades behind britain, one of the more racist nation on the planet.
@@zizhaoxia6740 got to disagree. I lived 10 years in south East London; woolwich, lewisham, deptford, bromely, plumstead and eltham. I’ve worked in schools from Peckham to dartford, and compared to what I’ve seen in Australia London is worse. I was actually told to go back to Australia because I was taking away a job from an English person. Eltham was the worst. The odd black person there was treated with animosity. Once I opened my mouth I got the stink eye too. To be honest,most people weren’t bad, just a decent chunk of the white population. Egypt was the worst for me. Only place I’ve ever had rocks thrown at me. Walking down a street in Alexandria, rocks whizzing past me… riding a bike past a school in siwa, all the kids running out and throwing rocks at us… and the two teachers watching. They had good arms too. I was told by a guy who asked me my religion that the worst Muslim was better than the best Christian. Most people were nice , but the unpleasant ones stood out. I used to know a French girl whose partner was Indian. They lived in Tanzania, but he hated it there… too many black Africans for him. There are racists all over. But if you think Australia is a few decades behind England I think you’re kidding yourself. In the last election our anti immigration parties did terribly.
@@gattingbowledwarne I am not saying Australia is racist - but things can get bad in Australia. During covid - Western Sydney was specifically locked down while the white majority suburbs got a free pass.
Comparing Australia/England etc to Egypt is whataboutism. Egypt is not part of the global economy the same was as the commonwealth countries are.
@@betadevb I cited Egypt as a personal experience. The original poster made the silly statement that Australia was decades behind England vis a vis racism. My Egyptian anecdote was a contrast to what his concept of racism is.
People tend to view things through their own prism. You see the unfair lockdown as proof of something racial because 80 % of gws is not white. I see it as a Liberal government who was always late with their response to outbreaks refusing to apply the law to the wealthier, more conservative voting eastern suburbs. 20 % of GwS is white, and predominantly working class… my cousins from parramatta, all white, were in that lockdown.
Who can ever forget the unfortunate ape gate
Tony Greig,,what a man he was..one of the great intellectual and unbiased commentators i have ever listened to
Would still love to know how India became the victims here, bad umpiring aside. The fallout from this disgraceful incident ruined Andrew Symonds international career. Australia should have also been better in supporting him, instead of worrying about crying Indians and rabid media.
Don’t you think they had it coming
Andrew Symonds was a slimey prick . God rest his soul.
On top of that the Australian team was a disgrace when it came to sportsmanship. They Lied about the racist remarks which weren't even racist to begin with. Imagine calling an illiterate Punjabi a racist, who isn't even educated about slavery and its history, someone who has no idea about what it means to call a black person a "monkey". On top of that, harbhajan singh comes from a country that worships monkeys because of lord Hanuman.
Imagine proving to the whole world that indeed you've convict genes and you're not capable of understanding the basic thing that people around the world have different understanding of things compared to you.
Aussies thought they could get away with anything. While growing up, I saw watching Indian players getting sweared by Australian players every freaking minute without any iota of shame. Indian players, gentlemen as they were mostly quiet. Not anymore! India finally stood up and said no. Not when we have the financial clout! This happened even before the IPL. Can you imagine any Aussie cricketer saying what Slater has said then? Indian public and Indian board would ensure that repentance is in order!
@@KiriAatam Shame all that money still can't buy world championships you clown. As for Slater, where is he now? Nowhere. Indian broadcasters were still happy giving him jobs for years.
Where to begin, firstly he made up an accusation tried to be a victim himself. The word monkey was never uttered. I find it hilarious that the Australians (known and repeated racists) tried to cry racism.
RIP Tony and RIP Symonds 🙏🏻
Aussies of that era were skillful in one thing, that is, to picture the whole thing as if the opponent was at fault, while not speaking about all the things they say on field. It's not as if there are a set of words that can be used and another set that cannot be. Things are a lot better now, in this era.
Racism is racism stop conflating other issues . ‘Monkey’ is a racist term. Discussion ended .
@@bens461 So is wanker, DOT
Maaki (your mother) or Monkey, lost in translation,
As an Aussie, it seems that Tony Grieg, had the pragmatic and more correct opinion than Slater. It did require leaders from both sides like Ponting, Hayden, Kumble and Tendulkar to resolve this. It didn't happen.
No, Tony Greig always enjoyed the chit chat, as a player in fact he often started it, but this was a racial issue, and if the situation had been reversed, given how sensitive Indian people are, we'd never have heard the end of it.
eventually this was not a racial slur, this was an Indian day-to-day abuse @@craigedwards2940
@@craigedwards2940 Indians are sensitive?? Andrew Symonds literally milked this story and played the sympathy card right until he died. Thank F for that
Why should Ponting had to compromise for racial abuse?
@@purothepro Mate I'm Indian, we are sensitive - not all of us, but certainly enough to seem big. Its almost always poor me... And the fact you've literally said "thank f" to a person dying, as a function and response of a generalised comment proves it.
micheal slater reading the face of Harbhajan saying he is guilty is a total Joke. What Harbhajan said in those days was "theri MAAKI" which means your mother. But it was blown out of proportion becuase those days harbhajan or other Indian players weren't that fluent in English. Aussies were never a good spirited team while they were winning and sleding people .
And Harbhajan personally admitted that to you? Stop talking out of your arse mate. Ponting had a conversation with Harbhajan regarding that prior to the Test Series back when they had played in India. Goes to tell you, it wasn't the first time that had happened. Tendulkar altered his story 4 times, from sliding it off under the guise of sledging, to not hearing what was said, to settling for an abuse in his native language. Given the power BCCI had and the sheer fact that the Indians threatened to quit the tour would have meant Cricket Australia suffer massively financially. CA eventually agreed upon downgrading the alleged comment from racial vilification to abuse, at the expense of Symond's career and possibly his mental well-being.
mind you, Harbhajan is no slouch, yes the Aussies will sledge and do stuff that they do, but BCCI did flex their muscles to get Singh out of this situation with other players lying through their teeth, which is fine, they stood up to their mate
@@edgedandcaughtIf Harbajan actually said 'theri MAAKI', it may sound like Monkey. All humans don't know of what was actually said, as if anything was said. Because no microphone could pick it up. The Indian team know of what he said, because he may had told them so. Symonds was a real sook and Drama Queen. It's your problem if u don't understand other people's language, if he said anything to him in Punjabi or Hindi. Some people lose it, if anyone stares/glares at them.
The Aussies were whiney and couldn’t take it once they got it back but lets face it as an Indian well know he used the Monkey word. Until this incident hardly any Indian understood the gravity of the word among other cultures. He said it and he meant it
Look what life did to Slater
Imagine if VK was captain
Mc bc hota that field me
11:23 listen to Slater's shamelessness while giving excuses for his actions. This is their actual mindset and it will never change.
lol. Tony Grieg playing the stereotype of old English racist really well here.
Australia getting a taste of its own medicine ....
Tony greig being a true pragmatist here, realising that the aussies didn't take kindly to any sledging hurled their way in response to the slur they've dished out over the years (also borne out by the racial chants made by the Aussie crowds to the touring west Indians in the 80s and to Mohammad siraj recently). It isn't fair dinkum when it's given back to the Aussies.
You mean the "slurs" directed at Siraj that weren't proven and led to a group of young men being vilified in the media for no reason? The "slurs" that weren't heard by any of the people surrounding said group of young men? Those ones?
lol siraj was not racially abused though
Ohh as I child I knew just wat was shown in Indian TV but reality was this 😢… this full Movie but anyway Aussie took the think raised it good
Really sad for the people of my my country BAD DAYS of mumbai crowd
What happens now, why IPL franchise taking Aus coach and Players for high price. Take them from NZ / SA/ West Indies
This incident made BCCI take control over ICC & cricket. Later on with IPL the whole cricket fraternity surrendered to BBCI.
And the BCCI are doing irreparable damage to the game and the institution of cricket.
@@utha2665 The damage is only for Indian cricket. BCCI is responsible for Indian cricket downfall.
Rest ICC is responsible as they didn't help Zimbabwe, Kenya, Nambia,. Scotland, Nepal & other emerging cricket nations. They were focused only on big teams as they bring revenues. IPL brought every cricket board on its knees due to the money & benefits it offered. Because of IPL many cricket boards have survived. Otherwise only SENA countries would have survived.
@@prakir3590 I don't agree. The BCCI have bullied and coerced the ICC on numerous occasions to get their own way. Decisions have been changed under threat of pulling the Indian team from series.
@@prakir3590really, but what is Sena?
@@mindrover777 South Africa, England, New Zealand & Australia.
Short form of these countries from their first letter SENA.
As an Indian, I am grievously ashamed at the vitriol that the late Mr Symonds had to endure that day in Mumbai. However, Tony Greig's point about non racial abuse being classified as "what happens on the field stays there" is spot-on. Abuse, regardless of it's nature, should be reprimanded. Cricket should bring joy to people, competitiveness should never be misconstrued as the fact that the opponent should be made to feel as uncomfortable as possible, regardless of the means employed.
He didn't say Monkey, he said teri maa ki , means your mother
I feel so bad that Harbhajan was targeted even if he said monkey. He was attacked with filthy language. So it needs to be fair .Ponting also said many things throughout his career. You being ashamed why don't you donate money and do something for racial victim. That will make you feel better
Aa gaya Mahatma. This is why bengalis got abused by other indians
@@arka21thesun It's not about Bengalis. It's about being hypocritical. Branding that word as racist is not correct
@@sucharitbanerjee exactly. Who decides what acceptable abuse is?
Am I the only one who felt that a bunch of clowns drawing conclusions and accused Harbajan got what he did not do?
Remember - what India expects everyone to believe is that Harbhajan was perfectly capable of having a conversation in English with Brett Lee, for several overs, but the very instant Andrew Symonds says something to Harbhajan , Harbhajan replies with a word or sentence in a language he knew Symonds wouldn’t understand, and was the one slur that sounded remarkably like the only singular word that prior to the series the Australians specifically didn’t want said to Symonds. How extremely convenient……
Furthermore, the subsequent inquiry found that because neither Andrew Symonds nor any of his teammates speak Hindi, they couldn’t ascertain beyond doubt exactly what Harbhajan said because he does speak Hindi.
What has never been ascertained is why Harbhajan, given he had an entire language of words to pick from, chose the Hindi slur that sounds almost exactly like “monkey”. Especially considering how prevalent “benchod” is as a slur, which sounds nothing like “monkey”.
Similarly, if “maa ki” is a normal thing to say, you’d think at least once it would have been uttered and misunderstood by a West Indian, or a South African, or a Zimbabwean by now. Funny how that hasn’t happened since…..
Bingo!
What is the big deal? Being called a monkey? Is it better to being called m**fer
Slats and his bipolar on the edge here.
Ind shd. Left tour in d middle as ds Aus. Players always did pitty things to disturb opposition teams more specifically when they r lossing
4m Asian teams
I think Australia was shown a mirror here… really miss Tony Grieg! Tony accurately pointed out that it needs to be understood what made Harbhajan say what he did… Aussies are no way holy angels on field.
It seemed obvious that the Indian player accused had changed his story, claiming he was being abusive just to avoid the racial abuse accusation. Given that the Mumbai crowd made monkey noises at Symonds, Singh did likely call Symonds a monkey at that later game.
@@WorldSacred When Aussies use swear words, Indians have to endure it! When we give it back, Aussies would behave like school children and complain to the teacher! People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones at others!
What are you talking about? Do you even know? It was a RACIAL slur, not a comment about his batting or bowling technique. Anyway, in Roy's memory, we screwed them up in the World Test Championship and the World Cup, on their own soil.
@@craigedwards2940 well how often have Australians just stopped at the technique? Besides it should not be looked as who did what. Even Aussies were defeated on their own soil!
@@craigedwards2940 Calling someone Monkey is not considered a racial slur in India. But, using swear words is considered abhorrent and ugly in India which is reserved for vile human beings.
World Test Championship has always been held in England and never in India. India had reached the finals twice out of 2 times. Had the final happened in India, Aussies would cry at the sight of the pitch before the 1st ball is bowled, and discredit India's win.
Kudos to your team for winning the WC in India against India which was considered improbable. Symonds and many Aussie players get to play in the IPL and earn millions. India pays your players more than your own cricket board. So, please have some shame and stop talking about retribution.
I like how Tony Greg challenges the Australians calling foul when they have dirty hands themselves. As an Aussie if I had a penny for everytime I've seen racist slurs by the Aussies towards the Indians, Sri Lankans, Pakistanis and Windies I'd be a millionaire.
I'm glad the new era of T20s has got rid of a lot of the nationalism towards the game. We all love cricket, no need for abuse.
Sports should be like this if cricket want to grow any close to football not any of This gentlemen bs
Harbhajan is not a saint
Nobody can and should defend crowds behavior in mumbai.Time and again they have done to even indian cricketers in ipl. Few ipl back they boo'd Virat Kohli because he was playing against Mumbai team.
Harbhajan said "Maa ki" which symonds interpreted as monkey.
But aussie had been doing sledging for years...until kohli started giving them back especially showing mid finger to whole aussie crowd😅
2018 Bgt & they started whining about it.
As Indian I'm ashamed of u and the Indian crowd behaves towards other players and going to players insta and say things to their families is nothing but disgrace
Thank you for the ODI world cup and Test Championship 🏆🐒🙈
@@ethan6145 IKR, a bunch of chokers.
Yeah, how convenient, throw in a word that sounds like monkey. After what happened in the ODI series in India where it was absolutely clear what was being said and what was written. Singh will never man up to it, seeing Symonds is now gone.
@@utha2665 the thing is, no one uses the slur "monkey" in India. While almost everyone has used "teri maa ki" - particularly the part of India Harbhajan is from.
Calling black people "monkey" is not an Indian thing. This wouldn't even occur to most Indians. Black people do face racism in India, but no black person in India gets called "monkey".
Maaki is a very common slang used in India,🤦, Maaki (your Mother) got interpreted as Monkey!!!🤦
My question is that were Australia playing series with the right spirits? Aussies are known for their misconduct on the field in order to be aggressive in game. So they must know when you start something you should be ready to take whatever come back to you. It do not matter to be or not to be racists as in my view any personal comment is as bad as being racist comment.
Well we all know that bhajji said maa ki ##### not monkey!!
That is BS I saw people in the crowd in India doing monkey taunts
@@ndingo lol do you understand Hindi? Maa Ki ##### is a cuss word not monkey!
Australian shouldn’t say anything about bullying players because they are the master of it,people may have forgotten behaviour of MacGrath, Steve waugh,Shane warne,Hayden etc etc...
On the pitch, not personally.
@@craigedwards2940 Swear words are not personal?! There's a saying about people who live in glass houses...
Micheal slater was such a looser
Yet another idiot who doesn't know the difference between "lose" and "loose". Stay in school, kids.
It’s Maaaki, not Monkey
And when I called Sachin Tendulkar a curry munching street shitter I was actually saying currimunchanstreesnittah, which means “worthy adversary”.
What nonsense. He speaks English and Symonds never spoke any other language so why would Singh sledge in Hindi? And if he did, why not immediately apologise for how it sounded?
Saying one side of the story alone is not professional. If you dish out something you should be prepared to take it also
for allwe know, may be the cheater aussies just came up with a story wherein harbhajan abused symonds by saying monkey and actually nothing happened at all , may be harbhajan did not even say Maa ki , probably it was all done to trouble harbhajan who was getting onto pontings nose in that series and dismissing him like a piece of cake. You never know how low the cheating australian team could fall in those days
Because they're Lowlife. Whenever Aussies say things racist, they say that they're not, because that's the way those people are in their culture or whatever.
Beucase India are the moral compass of the cricket world, aren’t they…
Those who followed the game of cricket in that era know how loud mouthed that Aussie team was.
It would have been hilarious to see them duelling against present day Indian team who are not only talented and skilled but those who can enjoy being loudmouth on the ground as well.
I would have loved to see Ricky Ponting try his tactics on Virat Kohli and having seen Kohli so far, I feel he would see to it that Ricky gets double of what he delivers 😅😂
You must have hatched out the egg a fortnight ago. Ponting would eat this Kohli dude alive. Kohli almost pissed his pants facing a nobody like Naveen ul Haq and you're hallucinating he would weigh up to the great Ricky Ponting.
@@NaveenKumar-tv1vf
Great Ricky ponting my foot. Apt term would be Cheater Ponting.
Go and look at the footage of 2008 series before you open your mouth next time
Aus just win World Cups in India. Aus own India. 🤣😅😂
@@NaveenKumar-tv1vf Ricky Ponting is a great, no question. He is not greater than Kohli, the greatest ever to grace the white ball format.
@@jogreeen
Every Australian cricketer is a gentleman after retirement. Before retirement he is Ricky Ponting 😎.
This is exactly what happens when big bully gets it back and feel what it’s like being bullied
So the answer to being bullied is to be racist back? Smart
Ricky ponting was never trustworthy
Aussie crowds have been more racist
It was maa key ....not monkey confirmed by Sachin
Australians complaining about sledges... They are the worst sledges of all time
Sledging and racial slurs are two entirely different things, pal.
Glenn McGrath told jayasurya as black monkey isn't it that racial spur
Tony Greig excusing racism. Not surprised
Australia and Ricky ponting knew that only India could beat them and wanted to distract Indian team.
Get over yourselves, that old chestnut, they wanted Singh out of the game so they made up a story, what a load of BS. Australia, the strongest team in the world at the time being afraid of an off spinner? That's laughable.
India were no where near Australia in 2007
Cricket really has degenerated
This happened 16 years ago you muppet. Nothing like this has happened since no matter who was who was right or wrong. So how the f has it degenerated whiney
Harbhajan Singh was overrated.
As God confirmed that Harbhajan paaji did not say Monkey he said "Teri Maa ki.." a rather common slur which is frustration being vented... As he did not complete that line it's not a racist slur.. And Monkeys are super smart.. how is that a bad word.. monkeys in India are considered God per "Hanuman" ..
It was downright awful umpiring rigged up up by the Aussie board of that time. Ponting, good batsman, one of the best captains.. not the most honest one though.
You can see Hayden, Gilli and other rather very decent players did not drum the beats of war.. so get on with it..
Did Tendulkar tell the same thing during 1st and 2nd hearing?
Well, that's Harbhajan's story and he's sticking to it. And you believe the umpiring was rigged? The Australian team have no input into what umpires are selected and they were both international umpires. It might be a common issue where you come from with match fixing, but it doesn't happen in Australia. You saw the backlash of the Australian public and Cricket Australia over the sandpaper issue, there is just no way in hell any Australian would get away with match fixing. The ONLY reason so much was ever said about that was because of the reaction from within. The ICC banned Smith and Warner for 1 Test Match and Bancroft lost 75% of his match fee, it could have easily been left at that.
As for Ponting not being honest I Just don't think you understand. I assume you are talking about the claiming of low down catches in that series? I don't know if you have ever been in the situation of taking a low down catch. It's not easy to know if the ball hit the ground first, or whether you fingers were too splayed, in the fast motion of diving forward you feel you have fairly caught the ball. Even after all the replays it's still inconclusive, but to call him dishonest for that is wrong.
@@utha2665 Agreed. The hate on Ponting is unreal.
I'd take Symonds over a billion Indians any day of the week.
We all know u had taken Symonds pen*s multiple times with ur whole family watching & waiting for their turn.
Well that's only sensible to take one D**k instead of a billion . Sure you are wise 😂
I would take harbhajan over white people any day of the week.
Cheating fucking useless Aussie Symonds.. billions don’t give a fuck , he was shameless enough to come back n play IPL
oh? well happy for you and the 5 morons that liked your comment
I love Greggy but typical of a south African to play down racism
Wow...Tony Grieg who commented that he will make the West Indies grovel in 1975 is talking about racism. Btw, Harbhajan was wrong here. He should not have used the "Maa ki" remark which was interpreted as Monkey by the Aussies. Ironically, all those involved in the so called Monkey Gate saga were in the same dressing room in IPL. Ultimately, its everything about the money 😂
I've seen racist comments made by players to their teammates. Ugly. Tendulkar clearly lied and the Indian group had the decision reversed against Singh based on money. Says it all.
That's what I've been saying too. The BCCI threatened to end the series if the 3 match ban wasn't repealed and the ICC folded, just like when Tendulkar was accused and found guilty of ball tampering, the same thing happened.
Aussies usually are ok with Barmy Army calling them "cheaters".
It's just words and sledging, Australians give it out and don't mind getting it back. There are lines that can be crossed but this isn't one of those situatuions.
Yeah but this was exactly that. It was an Indian slang which says “Maa Ki” which means “your mother” and Symonds heard Monkey.
@@rohitrai89 Yeah, and it was reported on what he heard.