Detroit: Become Human - A Critique - Luke Stephens
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Detroit: Become Human is one of those games that is highly polarizing. Once you've played it, you can totally understand why this is the case. It's a great narrative experience but as a game it leaves a lot to be desired. We'll go into detail in this video and try to explain the ups and downs as clearly as possible. Enjoy!
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I have a fear of road bumps, but I am slowly getting over it.
you're terrible
Thank you very much.
L M A O
Hue hue hue
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the most immersion-breaking thing about the game was that it assumes people still live in detroit in the future
this made me laugh more than it should good one haha
This comment needs more thumbs up.
I know this is a joke but Detroit is slowly becoming more absorbed by suburb styled families
It’s becoming more touristy is what I mean and being more populated
everywhere has nice parts, except east st louis
be happy you arent living in east st louis
"There's a little girl with an abusive father. The father is, of course, abusive."
- me writing term papers
(fun fact: I've actually written a term paper on DBH before. Needed barely any citations because it all came from my own playing experience)
i really wanna know more about your term paper now :0!!!
I'd love to know more about that term paper if you feel like sharing!
Cap
18:46 he did it again with "All of the road bumps on the road"
“You’re starting to piss me off with that coin, Connor”
lol
Sorry Lieutenant.
The voice actress that played the president was Irish, and you can hear her trying her hardest not to use her native accent.
she doesnt seem to be trying to conceal it
now that explains why it sounds so weird. i thought she has a weird gargling american accent.
shouldn't they have an american cast then? i mean she's the POTUS damn
Does it matter?
And her character looks like Hilary clinton
I thought the reason she talks the way she does is for deliberately ironic reasons. To show that androids can be more humans than actual humans, because some humans show less humanity.
If this game didn't have Connor I would not like it half as much. He was such a great character that was also acted well, and his relationship with hank was done very well.Other than that I found the game very, very clumsy, if fun for the first time, especially since I went in blind.
La Boheme Soleil Yeah... agreed. I feel like the themes should be displayed more subtly instead of shoving it in your face
The game doesn’t give the players much space to think about it
That’s why it’s not deep. But I still liked the game anyway for its graphics and realism
Connor and Hank was definitely the best.
I like the Connor character and his relationship with Hank, but I don't like how unclear your objectives are for Connor. Many people have no idea how to play the character until after they have played the game a couple of times. I'm not so sure I like that. I would prefer that you know the objectives and paths you might take up front so that you can choose what you want to do. Likewise with the consequences for actions in the game. I like that actions have consequences. I would just prefer to know what they are. Some of it seems pretty random and unrealistic. In some cases, for instance, you surrender and they just shoot you. No, surrendering might ultimately lead to death, but it should lead to be captured with the possibility of escaping. Not immediately getting killed. Oh, yeah. And in another case, you are captured as expected. It's extremely random. Likewise getting shot at anyway when following police orders to disperse. That is so idiotic. No. The logical consequence of that is not getting shot at but not getting the public opinion boost that standing your ground achieves.
Connor and Hank worked because Dechart and Brown had great chemistry and did a lot of improv in their scenes without forgetting what their characters are supposed to be. That's why they just "work".
Connor and Hank were definitely the best characters in the game. I got everyone in the game killed on accident because I'm used to gameplay over QTEs (just went through it last week for the first time) but their scenes together were the best in the game. Markus was great in concept but not so much in execution, and I liked Kara's was introduction but it becomes weaker with the CW twist at the end.
Kara's main theme gives me chills EVERYTIME
Its so depressing and realistic
I dont know if it was me, but quite frankly when i did my first play through and every mission with kara started with displaying Alice’s thoughts of her as “family” i always teared up.
Kara and Alice’s escape from Todd gave me the first impression as The Last of Us 20 minute intro (even though tlou can never be beat). It was extremely emotional and my first instinct was to protect alice no matter what and holy shit did this game do a good job with it. it sort of confuses me how people dont enjoy her story because its “bland” or whatever but by far this game is on my top 3
The soundtrack was pretty damn good. Kara and Connor's themes are wonderful!
One thing I think they should have done differently: The game stops awkwardly every time you need to press a button or do an input. Instead of that the game should allow you to do the input a second or two before hand so the scene continues smoothly instead of stopping all the time. If you don't press anything then the game could stop and wait for the input.
While that would certainly improve the pacing and flow, I don't think that's what the developers had in mind. From what I can tell, the inputs are meant to immerse you in the world by making you watch the character perform the action while simultaneously doing a similar movement with the thumbsticks yourself. So, if you move the stick slowly, the character will move with you at the same speed, connecting your motions to theirs.
@@BrutalKnight55 I like this game but I find this point doesn't really work because once you complete the prompt the rest of the animation continues at a totally set speed. Like I can slowly reach out for a door handle, but then my character finishes opening the door at normal speed.
That and I just think choosing how quickly you want to pick up a cup isn't as interesting as Cage thinks it is.
To be clear, I like this game.
@@BrutalKnight55 true I usually go on my phone during all cutscenes in games that i cant skip but forcing me to give input constantly essentially forced me to pay attention and therefore pick up the nuances of the game thus making me more invested. I couldn't do this with LA noire lmao
It's an odd (yet interesting) thing when they first allow you to control both sides of the argument with Kara and Connor. It's essentially breaking the fourth wall on the script, because this means two things can happen (I've seen both in Let's Plays):
1. You can pull a meta move and intentionally sabotage Connor's mission when playing as him. Either he doesn't discover Kara and Alice hiding or he doesn't pursue them. CoryXKenshin, Yub, and Marielitai Gaming did this. This is the "preference and bias" route.
2. You can remain in character and do as both characters would do in the scene. So Connor pursues Kara and Kara defends Alice as well as herself.
It's very odd as far as a tactic, and I can't say it didn't feel weird or half-baked at times but I can't say it wasn't unique either.
Exactly! While playing a game I was constantly thinking not about what choices I like but what will have more sense to the script. I shouldn't be thinking about such things. It's just very poor storytelling. Because of that the game for me is really cool but very flawed experiment which ultimately failed.
My first playthrough I sabotaged conner. When he's supposed to chase Kara and Alice I just made him stand there. I was surprised to see after the scene only around 2% did that. But this was close to the game's launch so it may be more than that now
@@MicaylaRuby That's where the weird meta comes in. It's the same way Javier's and Clementine's relationship comes off in New Frontier. He usually puts far more good will in her than would seem believable by his character simply because _we_ have history with Clementine and _we_ want to do right by her. But the Garcia family doesn't know her from a hole in the ground.
Why would it he half baked
I was deliberately walking the other way with Connor until they both got on the train risk free 😄, but I have to say the highway scene I didn't play the first time is amazing.
"The abusive father is of course, abusive."
Great critique. I enjoyed the game. I don't get why people get so upset by this genre of games. they are fun every now and then. they are a nice change of pace.
Oh, so you don't get that people have different tastes and different opinions concerning different aspects?
@@MrYugideck he said upset, not don't like, big difference
I think it's mostly because most games like this don't take advantage of the medium of video games.
I don't consider Detroit a "game" per say, but it's not a movie either. It's more like a roller coaster with choices. What you have is an incredible experience that the player gets to be a part of. Being on a roller coaster and directing what paths it goes on, isn't gameplay, but it's arguably just as fun to be honest. Detroit doesn't need gameplay.
Horrible pacing of gameplay and cutscenes, time wasting mechanics and unclear tasks “look around hanks apartment” meaning looking at one object followed by a cutscene forcing you out, no saving or skipping of any sort neither dialogue or cutscenes which kills replayability, I finished mass effect 3 times, but the thought of starting Detroit again makes me want to saw my brain off
As much as I loved this game, the characters, and their adventures, I personally found David Cage's writing too repetitive for my liking. The same use of words would crop up too often and I found that creatively lacking, e.g. 'who you really are', 'we are alive', etc. Cage, we get it! It felt like Cage didn't have confidence in his gamers' intelligence. Another thing he did that annoyed me was during one of Kara's scenes that drew good visual references to Frankenstein, but then he had a character say "He turned us into monsters, but who's the TRUE monster?" Why did he tell us AFTER he showed us?! Rule One of storytelling: Show don't tell. The visuals were enough. Someone should have said something, but, there it is. It's his weakness as a writer, clearly.
It could also be because English isn't Cage's native language, he's French. But I do agree that his writing is very repetitive and subtlety is something he does not dabble in.
You try to write a game like this
The “we are alive” stuff is intentional to show how many different androids are stepping up and saying I’m a person. The game would be kinda weird if you only saw it once or twice then saw a huge rebellion it wouldn’t add it.
@@RyanGamin224 True but you could probably word it better than just having everyone literally say "we're alive, we feel things too" over and over again
tbh i can't think of a better way to say it 😭😭😭esp as they're androids@@missconstruct6968
The game was one of my favorites of 2018 so far. I recognize the faults but it didn’t ruin it for me.
Oh my God, I though I was the only one who thought the President was an android. I was expecting it to be a big twist...but nothing. Turns out they got an Irish Actress to play her and she, obviously, can't do an American accent.
This game may disappoint some gamers, but as an English teacher, it's a WONDERFUL engagement with interactive story-telling. I'm starting a unit with the game this coming week with English 11 classes. The end goal for students is they develop additional branches of story within the universe, adding new settings, characters, and conflicts. This pairs very well with Bladerunner 2049, which we've already covered, so I thought they could mash up the stories, blend the universes. I'm looking forward to seeing what they come up with!
A great critique. Honestly, this is one of those interactive experiences that left me thinking about it long after I finished my first playthrough (and second, and third...). I would love to see a sequel with the cop team of Connor and Hank. I found their dynamic with its various outcomes fascinating; on my first playthrough, Hank shot Connor and committed suicide. On my second playthrough, they ended in in the end credits in front of Hank’s favorite cheeseburger stand with a hug. Yes, it could be over the top at times, but this game tugged at my heart and brain in so many ways. Thanks again for the great analysis.
I had a really weird time with this game. I absolutely loved Connor, I was apathetic to Kara, and I couldn't stand Marcus. I didn't like Marcus's story because it never made the best argument for why androids should rise up. It was all the most surface level slavery allegories they could fit in. Kara was okay, but making Alice an android too killed it for me. It could've showed that the children of today could change tomorrow's ways, but they took the easy road. Connor I just loved. But I feel like I loved him in SPITE of David Cage, not because of him. You'd be surprised how many times Bryan said, "I had to fight David Cage on that." A lot of the most memorable moments between Hank and Connor were improvised between the actors.
Also I'm just going to say it: I hate the Holocaust comparison. When you have a heavy topic in a game you've got to do it well. And the camp was the most ham-fisted thing I've ever seen in a story. I almost felt insulted with just how dumb the game thought I was. You can do a WWII theme in fiction and still make it good.
It's fascinating that Alice being an android ruined it for you. The question is if the machines were truly alive or not. If you buy into that concept that they are living beings then it shouldnt matter. If you didnt buy into it despite all you were shown then that means you would be one of the ones pulling the lever on the gas chamber historically. As they arent really people to you.
@@robotpanda77 It's a sort of betrayal, since throughout the whole game we played as Kara trying to protect and care for Alice only to find out that everything we did were a waste. Things you did to sacrifice to get Alice something, only for her to call you a bad person? It just makes her seem ungrateful. Especially since it wasn't from her that we found out that she was an android, it was from another alice-android.
Concentration camps aren’t a holocaust or ww2 construct, they happen even today like in China and Australia
The camp felt realistic to me, though, at least for my play through. How else would the mass decommissioning of androids have gone over outside of mass executions? I think the comparison was inevitable considering that the holocaust is the most conspicuous example of mass genocide we have in modern history, so it would be hard to show an example of mass genocide in media without there being some overlap.
It’s only my personal opinion, but I don’t think the comparison was offensive, nor did it water down the story. In my first play through, it was the most compelling part of the whole game. The way I felt sick to my stomach, wondering to myself how the soldiers could be so quick to vilify and dehumanize the androids. The whole time I just kept thinking “this can’t be the end, right? Someone’s going to save them. They’re going to get out.” And I was awake for hours afterwards just thinking about it all, and it followed me for days. Personally, it was incredibly compelling.
"Please, we just want to be free."
"Welcome to Canada."
Bruv It is not free will It is Jesus Marcus' will.
Just finished my first playthrough of this game, and the routes that I took didn't really focus too much on the camps. I focused more on peaceful protesting and mixed it up at the march and fought back but kept sparing officers. The public opinion stayed indifferent, but then the climax of choosing to continue peaceful protesting swayed it to be more sympathetic. I only lost one character along the way and that was Simon.
I loved the interaction with Connor and Hank and how Hank's back story wasn't revealed until the end when he helped fight the fake Connor on my playthrough. Kara's journey was very much a fugitive style journey that I adored and like Connor's story it was unique to see both sides of the coin to view the human side both negative and positive and similar with the Android side. I never ran into problems with Kara's story and played it safe. Never did ride in a boat or go through the recycling plant. With Connor I messed up with the deviant fight at the TV station and chose to sacrifice myself to save Hank. When Connor was replaced with a new model to continue the story was pretty cool.
The story takes some great turns depending on your choices, but yes the repetitive writing can be a little too in your face "I am alive" "we are free" blah blah blah and the darker more mature themes are little cringy but it's not so cringy it's laughable, it just makes you scratch your head for a sec.
My absolute favorite sections were the Zlatko sequence of going through his house of horrors and with me Connor meets up with Markus at Jericho and you have to control the dialogue of both characters which was absolutely brilliant having me choose between capturing Markus or falling into his words and becoming a deviant, or have Markus force Connor to kill him.
The soundtrack was also breathtakingly beautiful and fully captured the emotion of the scene. I Definitely found myself tearing up and laughing along with characters. Also, the brilliance of the main menu Android reacting to your choices and the story was friggin awesome. I chose to let her go and now she's not at the menu anymore which is a super cool attention to detail.
Thank you for giving this game its just due. It is overlooked by many because of the "David Cage stigma." The story moved me to tear up, laugh, and get angry so, mission accomplished.
You must have a high tolerance of bullshit. I wish I had that because I can only look at Detroit: Become Human and laugh at the numerous plot-holes and nonsense.
memes have, our social culture have pointed them out so much that they become magnified. If you saw a playthough or played it yourself without any of the outside influence or opinions, i think you would have a different opinion. also no bias at all towards David Cage, if you look at its faults only, thats all youll see. Find what it does good and you'll see that its a great bold step into bridging movies and games even further with deeper concepts then hollywod are willing to tackle.
I just want more directors to have a shot at making one like that beside cage.
i just finished the game after finishing heavy rain, if it wan't for psplus free game, i would not play these games but now that i have experienced and enjoyed these great games, the company has become one of my favorite game developers, why is this game not hyped or praised as much as other games? this is one of the best games i have played yet and is under rated
Absolutely the same my friend, never would've touch it if I had to pay for it, but now I think it's one of the best story driven, movie games of the generation if not ever. So profound things about us humans and direction of destruction we are taiking
This game is helluh fun playing with three different people next to you. Aside from a couple scenes where the characters go back and forth, it's a blast to see how everyone plays differently and how they intersect.
It's kind of amazing how much they account for the little things. One player let Kara and Alice escape and Connor actually CAN just stand there and let them go over the fence and the scene ends right there. No chase onto traffic or anything.
The Flow Chart is what I love about this game. After my first blind playthrough now when I play I always got a flowchart on deck to see what I want to do next lol exploring every angle pausing the game seeing what I missed and what I want to do. More of these games need something like that
Kara: My name is Kara
Luke Stephens: Cair-uh
To be fair some characters like luther also called her cair-uh
Yes, the themes in the game are heavy handed (holocaust, slavery, segregation). Yes, the writing can be cringe. Yes, the controls and gameplay have a lot of room for improvement, even for this style of game (but the QTE action sequences are actually really well done and carry a lot of tension due to the consequences of failure).
But overall, I like the characters and their storylines, especially Connor as a character and Kara's storyline which feels like survival horror at times. I enjoy Markus as the grand hero, even though his storyline is the most cliche. All the actors did stellar jobs. Where the game succeeds for me is in eliciting emotions in the player, which is what this type of game aims for. I really care for Kara and her "family", for Connor's inner struggles and relationship with Hank and for Markus and his crew.
seriously that march in the game was just great the music the good use of the button prompts and genuine emotion
I just finished this game last night. I am in awe. The feelings and emotions off this masterpiece were so real and fit into so many real life issues. People misunderstanding each other, just wanting to live and be alone, and people of whom made decisions out of emotional extreme. I salute the game makers. Sure it had a few cheesy spots, but my gosh, the narrative was so immersive.
These games remind me of the old books "go through the cave turn to page 11"
*turns to page 11 where I'm raped by opossum people*
I MEANT PAGE 14. I FOLLOW TO HOTEL MANAGER TO THE PUPPY SHOP
lol made my day xD
The twist in Kara’s storyline ruins the experience of Detroit. There is absolutely no point for that twist. It’d be even more interesting if a robot is caring for a human. Like questioning whether or not androids can take care of a human child.
Alice twist is the worst, but also 90% of Kara’s chapters don’t really give you a choice! It’s either continue her set story or die. It’s only the very end when gameplay can change between playthroughs
I just enjoyed the game. It has a cool entertaining story, but is no Citizen Kain. The gameplay is fine, no glitches occured in my play throughs.
The great thing about the game is that nearly "every choice" matters or will have an effect to the outcome at the end.
For example, I failed at the end because of one choice I made in the 3rd chapter. If I had only made a different choice, I would've succeeded.
Right after the world cup matches between England and Croatia, I'm gonna use this to chill.
That match was fuckin awesome, and this video was just as good
*Forced*, That's the word you were looking for.
i have zero faults witht he game, the themes, writing, actng, visuals, voice and gameplay were stellar
I love narrative heavy games this is one of my favorites
I just wanted hank to say “Ahoy Connor me boi”
A masterpiece of a game I can’t stop playing it ever since it came out
darker and edgier =/= quality writing though. its good to acknowledge that adult themes in gaming are neglected but thats not an excuse for broken character arcs (which admittedly is hard to deal with in a decision game where you want to account for the margins of character actions a player performs) and generally weak dialogue.
I think you missed the mark on your point about Kara moving across the border. The parallels to the Underground Railroad are really overt
My girlfriend and I watched a walkthrough on UA-cam, amazing game. I love the idea of just seeing one story and that’s the one.
Detroit is very heavy-handed, but beautiful to look at
The most impressive and thought-provoking game I’ve played on the ps4
LOL
i ADORED this game and its stuck with me. my playthrough basically ended beautifully besides **SPOILERS***
Luther was my only death which still haunts me.
This game managed to grip me emotionally which as a gamer is a rare and great achievement. I love the moral decisions and I thought the setting / voice acting was awesome.
A human playing as an android is such a cool idea and I'd recommend just about anyone to play it
I felt frustration ... For example Synthetic robot that refuses to die. You know who
Great critique man. Keep up the good work :)
For me problem in writing is how androids become defected.
First, androids need some kind of strong situation that will "break them". However to "break" androids need see difference between good and bad. For example Kara. She have formatted memory, she don't know what is good or bad. For her first time in house, where dad abusing Alice should be normal. She didn't know how good parenting looks. Also if she had already some predefined actions, why she didn't just simply call the police when she notice that something is wrong? In other side there is Connor where he can get different informations and solutions. He is best written, because he can follow the mission or "become defect" trying to do things that for him would be better.
Second, how Marcus changing normal androids into defects is utterly dumb that I don't even need comment it.
robert3579 Just responding to the "why doesn't she call the police?" point. I don't care/know if it's explainable in the story but it follows the same principle of a self driving car, choosing between the driver and a pedestrian. Of course it would choose the driver, because who would buy a car that would kill you? Same principle in, why would someone buy an android that would snitch on you?
People wouldn't buy android that wouldn't allow them to do illegal things yet it perfectly ok that some of them might turn hostile to them becasue... reasons? Even better, they somehow won't be able to track down after beeing defective? Yeah, this is bad writing.
robert3579 Do you think they advertised them saying "Warning: May turn deviant and murder you" no, obviously not. They even say in the story how deviancy is a very recent trend. I don't see how the tracking part is relevant, but it's a plot device, at least they justified and explained it unlike other narrative games.
Reacting to: How does Kara know what good parenting look like?
The short answer is that there is obviously no way. However, Asimov's 3 laws of robotics could be a perfectly solid explanation for what she does.
Hi Dad!
42:49 anybody that shot Chloe in this scene(in their first playthrough) is an immediate red flag
This game is a great experience with a few logical inconsistencies and a little heavy handed with the themes but they dont really ruin the game, sometimes subtlety isnt necessary
i played this game with my sister and i enjoyed it because i had already seen one or two playthroughs but she was doing it blind. she was insistent on making connor a machine which was a choice i never would've done. and me being the one controlling the game i actually failed a few kara parts like losing her memory and getting captured at jericho which got me really unique storylines that i appreciated.
I’m mixed about the game honestly, I love some aspects while hating others. I love Connor and his storyline, but I really hate how some of the messages and commentary are hammered into your head. I think my biggest issue with the story is you *can’t* make Markus and his rebellion extreme or bad. What I mean by this is though Markus and his rebellion can do destructive things, mainly kill people and cause general chaos, the game will always treat the androids as the good guys. I actually experimented, making Connor more of a balanced person, someone who understands both sides and is sympathetic to both humans and androids, and I made Markus into an extremist who cared nothing for human life and only cared for the Android cause. I tried to role play it as if Connor was a bridge of sorts between humanity and androids, and Markus as an antagonistic figure. But here’s the thing, when Connor confronts Markus and it gives you the option to break free from your programming or follow what you’re told, it portrays following what you’re told as a bad thing, no matter how bad or extreme Markus is in the playthrough, and if Connor goes deviant he automatically joins Markus. Even later at the Connor sniper scene, Hank still comes in, saying how the Androids are good and killing Markus is the wrong thing (even though in this playthrough Markus killed one of the cops Hank knew) and tries to stop Connor. It doesn’t make sense to me, the game is too afraid to make the rebellion look like they’re in the wrong or that bad no matter how destructive you get, it’s either justified or not even mentioned. I think that’s a reason I’m not a huge fan, but I get where you come from and all the power to you for liking the game.
Yeah, I absolutely agree. My biggest problem is that David Cage is extremely one sided. The robots are good and the humans(that don't side with the robots) are bad. If it was a more balanced view of both sides, I would really like the game.
ughhh u can see how in the unpeaceful end...markus tells north: we didnt win.
this is the beginning of war
and josh gets shot and tells markus :the blood we spill will be on our hands. so the game clearly states that violence is never the answer and that u made the "wrong" decision .
especially because u cant get the everyone survives trophy unless u choose the peaceful ending
hank might have sympathized with their cause in the revolution ending but hey the androids only ever killed the people who were trying to kill them ..the androids never killed innocent people or smth.
kind of like an eye for an eye...which is not cool...but could arguably be considered self defense.
Oh.. I loved the singing ending 😂 I thought it was beautiful
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I really enjoyed it and exploring so many different possibilities. The biggest alterations I did that I liked was having a violent revolution instead of peaceful and keeping Connor as a machine and defeating the android rebellion.
The thing I like about the game most is the flowchart. It’s what the standard should be for choice based games. How many times do UA-camrs in choice games often try to wiggle their way out of bad choices by saying “oh that would’ve happened anyway.” The flow chart is there to clearly stop anyone who thinks the game features illusion of choice.
Been playing this game for over a month now, and I absolutely enjoyed it. But I don't think I would have enjoyed it so much if I didn't play it with friends or loved ones present. The more people start to watch me playing, the more get into it, and start screaming at me, "Answer aggressively", "No answer nicely", that sort of thing. As a form of advice, I have a girlfriend which doesn't watch or play video games whatsoever. But she enjoyed sitting right next to me and watched me play right through to my end, then we decided to do it again but differently. This is a game meant to be enjoyed by a group of people in your immediate vicinity(which means some of you will have to get real friends), and no, Androids don't count. Not until Marcus frees them lol
That's so sweet, I'm glad she felt included and y'all do that together!
Very insightful and interesting critique of the game! After having watched a few of your videos, I really have to say that your content is really good and you just won yourself a new subscriber :') Cheers, mate!
I have a weird love/hate relationship with this game…
For the first two hours, I was in awe with it! I loved Markus’ and Kara’s storyline and I was eager to see where things were going… In the end, though, I didn’t care for either Markus or Kara but I was heavily invested in Connor’s story! It’s by far the best of the three and the only interesting one imo… Markus’ and Kara’s story are predictable and feel generic (like their ideas are overused). Markus became Robo Jesus with a more than forced love interest and Kara didn’t matter for the bigger story at all…
However, I respect the game for what it is and I appreciate it for what it was trying to do. Also, it has some incredible imagery and great visual design!
You don't have to start dating North you know, I absolutely loathe her character, she's such a one note character, grrr humans bad, violence good.
I found the concept interesting, and some scenes poignant, but overall I think the game was tone-deaf.
Regardless of its a "game" its my second favorite experienc of 2018, behind God of War
What do you like about it?
Lee Birch I actually felt genuine emotion while playing, which is honestly rare for me in a video game. I had to question my own morals and beliefs in the decisions I made. And I loved that my decisions actually affected how the story played out, and that it had replay ability for me to come back and see how the story would have played out differently if I made different choices
Well it is the best super best friends play playthrough of 2018. Comedy Gold.
titanicww2345 I love best friends
David Cage is a hack writer. He should do comedies oh wait.
how many admiral haldo's of hack is he?
What have you written?
@@Meganelsonator, that's an invalid counterargument because that doesn't make the writing of Detroit: Become Human any better.
Im late asf but, I just played it for the first time. I think it was pretty great. Story tried a little to hard to be ‘deep’ but I do think it hit more than it missed. I wasn’t that much of a fan of Markus’ story but I think the gameplay during his sections were the most interesting. I don’t know the other endings that were possible to get but I was proud of myself for keeping Kara, Alice, & Luther alive 🤷🏽♂️ definitely going to replay it at least one more time.
I just started this weekend and I also kept the family together. Now for the violent playthrough.... I think the replay value is high on this one, so it should be interesting.
If I may ask... We seem to have had the same values/goals, or at least similar. What happened to your Connor?
Mine was taken off the case when he didn't want to shoot the blond android.
@@grunchlk i got my connor killed trying to fight Marcus. I actually chose to kill the other android simply because I knew if I didn’t, Amanda would have know and think i was a deviant. I wanted to keep Connor an android to see how far the game would let me go
@@KingVirgo16 I failed that test... But you are right. Amanda didn't like my Connor because he was 'too human' even before that. Should have just shot the other android. Next time ;-)
I loved it. And as a writer myself, I consider the narrative very good. Around 10 minutes you talk about the choice not to do anything when the dad beats the girl. Frankly, as a father to 2 girls myself, I wouldnt stomach to "experiment" with it, even as a game. It comes down to a moral choice I wont take
Ikr? Little Alice's face
I never swerved off the road clicking on a notification so fast!
Cad091 It’s all good, my hand is broken, and I’m stranded but I can still watch the video.
I don't really understand the argument that detroit become human isn't a game. What mechanics are required for something to be considered a game?
The game is mostly watching cutscenes. It’s not really much of a game if your watching it.
I’ve played the game and I love it but a game is something you play not watch
The President sounds like they cast a British person who is focusing REALLY hard on doing an American accent and failing
I believe she is Irish, so that might be why.
i actually played the game when it just was released and quite enjoyed it to be fair, Played it once so far but im about to play it again soon, i liked the story and the options you got :)
thx. i think this game is genius. great critique
Genious ? Nah. A generic cop themed game. Higly cliched.. Nothing new under the sun.
I thought the game was fantastic, after I was done playing it I thought back and there were some things that didn’t add up completely to me but I don’t mind cuz for that first play thru I was fully emotionally invested in it that I wasn’t noticing the blemishes. I much prefer a game that captures my emotions like that rather than one executed better but isn’t as emotionally captivating, I give the game a 9. Also it may be because I’m not really a gamer anymore so I don’t really care too much about gameplay
I really enjoyed this game, even though I had to suspend my disbelief a lot of the time, and with Markus the most - his plot just felt like he is forcing his ideas onto the others, who didn't even experienced abuse (dunno just didn't sit with me well..).
But the biggest shortcoming of the game and the moment that pulls me straight out of immersion is the scene at Kamski's place - The shooting of the Chloe - in lot of the game, especially with Connor you can play both sides (its almost required if you want to please both Amanda and Hank) or at least you can seemingly make Connor lie, but here you are given two choices they are supposed to be the definitive answer to what lies within Connors mind?
The whole Kamski test is super wrong and the whole Kamskis assumption that Connor didn't shoot because he 'felt' empathy is bull. I personally didn't shoot because his offer to give answers seemed too good to be true and the whole shtick was just a waste of time and the quickest way out was to follow Hank. ( And the theatrics of Connor outside were too out of character , I would much prefer to have a choice in how to answer why didn't I shoot.)
But anyway good game and good critique
I Believe that the game failed to talk about consciousness and how the androids were becoming aware. Instead it's a random act of "emotion" that isn't explained well. After watching "West World S1&2 which spends a great deal of time on conciousness and I say it's time successfully spent. And I'm surprised you didn't touch on the subject.
I also thought a big moment in the game that fails to come across as it is suppose to, is the realization that Alice is an android. I think it takes away from Kara's character and how an Android shows more empathy than a human. I also want to know how are the androids temperaments controlled? They would have that, and how does the Audience know that their choices are their own? Is it really them finding themselves or are they a step away from going feral? Connors story line does help in this, but honestly I just found the lack of emphasis on conciousness a bit disappointing.
Is it just me or the president of the USA in Detroit: Become Human looks like Hilary Clinton? :p
lol explains why the androids were slaves. :P
Axel Grinder Way before then. They been working on it for at least eight years
L’ananas De La Fête She has absolutely no correlation to Trump whatsoever.
This game made me like the actress that plays Kara. My only experience with the actress was from The Following where she plays a nut job psycho. Actually does a very good job it was hard to like her. So props to her acting I guess.
Mr crabs swears
I absolutely love this game, I'm not afraid to say I'm obsessed 💙
the scene where they sing is fucking beautiful
David Cage's writing is very cliche and inconsistent, but somehow makes it work and intriguing at times.
No it is the fact that is very cliche and inconsistent makes it somehow not work and is not intriguing at all.
All the flaws make the game, ironically, very human, I agree.
In the defense of the president character, it did seem like she was reading off a teleprompter anxiously. So that would explain her seemingly spaced out look and strange voice.
That carousel scene was beautiful.
been waiting for this a long time.. excited to watch it finally...
At some point the characters are having doubts and emotions mixed feeling. Spock would say that's not logical
Let me get this straight!!! The father is complaining to the daughter that he is a looser because he doesn't have a job and can't get one because of the robots but yet he bought what I can assume a very expensive piece of equipment
2 very expensive pieces of equipment
video game
noun
a game played by electronically manipulating images produced by a computer program on a monitor or other display.
It's not an interactive movie, it's a game.
Hey, if you think that the actress of the president in this game speaks like a robot, you should see a speech of Romania's president. Sounds quite similar 😂
I managed to kill all the main characters on my first playthrough. I thought I had set it up for them to survive but oops.
Too many inconsistencies in the story. At one moment I am shooting androids left and right, Hank doesn’t care, but it is convenient for the point the story is trying to make Hank flips out about it. Many more, don’t even get me started on Connor devolving from a badass that can see all outcomes to “ask me something only I would know.” 🤦🏻♂️
The president's voice is really fucking odd don't get me wrong, but I wouldn't change it. The slow, over-enunciated and monotone delivery of her lines are honestly what I'd expect from a politician . They all talk so artefically it's just bizzare
If you make a toaster that tends to fail and light someone’s house on fire, you need to recall it. No matter how much it pretends to love the toast it gave birth to.
I really liked what you had to say but I had to stop at the part where you used "major disability" to insult a voice actor's work. I know it was an off-the cuff remark and I'm not assuming your intention was malicious but how vitriolic your tone was really off-putting. Not the right context to describe some one as having a "major disability." Also, she's a voice actress man, you're not punching up when you beat down on her - it's a bad performance but I don't think she went on some luxurious holiday with the pittance she got. It's a lot of hate for something so... harmless. Just letting you know that the whole thing put such a sour taste in my mouth.
Especially since the voice actress is Irish and was trying really hard to sound American, I'm glad I wasn't the only one off put by his remark
The balance between story telling and gaming is very difficult to achieve. it was good in The last of us, The witcher 3, and others, but this said, I want to play, not just making choice to go further in watching a movie.
Agree with you. The media should be portrait as it is, an extention of powers to be.
So the news would mention the androids and the camps as being something banal and standard (with no evil moral conotation).
The president is not so annoying. The issue is that she sounds like she's reading from a piece of paper and she has bad eye sight.
I think I spent the last 5 hours watching your videos. During your LA noire dissection, I went to your channel to look for another classic favorites of mine, Alan Wake. You don't have anything on it! Have you played it before?
I loved this game, but I lean toward games with an actual story worth the time to tell. Games like COD are mindless garbage in my opinion. Is Detroit perfect, no, but it was still pretty great.
After the (personal) disappointment that was Beyond Two Souls, I just presumed Heavy Rain was his 1 and only game I happened to like. I didn't have any intentions to play this one, but after the first 10 minutes of the video, I'm thinking I'll eventually pick it up.
The concept of free will is something that really suits this type of experience. The choices of the player and the focus on those choices both reflect what the androids are going through and add an extra layer to the concept.
If the choices actually matter and the writing is actually half decent, I'll enjoy it and come back here to watch the rest of the video.
Soooo, have you played it? And if yes, what did you think of it?
Detroit is incredibly impressive. Most games that claim your choices matter really dont. Maybe one or two major choices. This game? Holy shit every little deicsion you make at any part of the game will affect a lot of the later game. And its all woven in so well. I did 8 runs of this game just to see it all and was blown away they actually made a game where so many choices matter. The only other game that does this, tho not to this extent is House of Ashes and The Quarry. Both of those not nearly as effective as this but they both do have quite a few choices that do matter. House of Ashes particuarly. But yea Detroit is insane in that regard
I don't understand the "not a game" thing. Its about as complex as Super Mario. Minimal button presses, fairly linear, etc.
Robots will never be human. Kill the Synths!
I didn't notice that the plan was for the androids to be reset, I must have missed that detail, because while playing through the game, it was my understanding that the humans realized the androids were a mistake and they wanted to destroy them (literally, not figuratively), so that's why I didn't have a problem with the news casters saying that. Maybe I missed the part when it was said "reset and put back in use again". Great game anyway, it does something different, even if not perfect.
Yeah I have no idea where he got that idea from. When the President was questioned about the camps she says
“All we are doing is *destroying* defective machines”
Interesting point of view on Kamski. I never thought of him orchestrated everything. Many thanks for the through critique.
Excellent video, with an intelligent explanation to the game. The content you created here is a lone light in an absolute sea of garbage content concerning this (style) of gameplay. Well done, and if any of your other content is this good, you have earned a subscriber.