3rd Party Sega and the 6th Generation - Complete Series
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- With Dreamcast gone, Sega embarked on a new journey as a 3rd party developer and publisher during the 6th generation.
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Opening "Sega" jingle is from Astal for the Sega Saturn.
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Episode Notes:
1. All games captured on real hardware.
2. This is a compilation from 3 different videos on the subject. I wanted to bring them back because I am doing more 6th generation content soon.
Jet set radio future is a certified hood classic
it was good, but it felt less like a sequel and more a remake, a remake that didnt change all that much.
What does “hood classic” mean?
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"I would listen to him narrate all things Sega all day long." That's my problem
Favorite Sega developed game for each 6th gen console:
*Gamecube -Beach Spikers.* - Very addictive multiplayer AM2 arcade port superior to the arcade version with tons of extra content.
*PS2 - King of Route 66* - Overlooked sequel to 18 Wheeler both developed by AM2 and again the PS2 version has much more content than the arcade.
*Xbox - Jet Set Radio Future* Not much to be said if you like style and music and Tony Hawk games and especially if you liked Jet Grind Radio. Classic!
Beach Spikers is a great shout! But Gamecube also had the first (and still best) Super Monkey Ball and F-Zero GX, which are both monumental classics!
Great list! Forgot about that beach spikers game.
I see people complaining that Sega should return to the hardware market, but this compilation is a perfect example of why they have no incentive to do so. being third party equals less risk, more potential reward.
It's hard for us who grew up really just Sega and Nintendo, but at this point Xbox has had a longer console life than Sega had (23 yrs vs 15 yrs, North America consoles). At this point anyone who worked at Sega on their consoles have long since moved on or retired. What we do miss is their unique games like seaman, cho cho rocket, space channel 5, etc etc, as well as the awesome arcade ports like crazy taxi and house of the dead, among many others.
If Sega could recapture some of that unique magic they'd bring back what has been missing in gaming since 2001, without the need for a full on console.
true... blind fanatism
yup, as much as i would love to see them come back with a vengeance, they are more interested in making money, than burning it, like they did with the 32X, Saturn and Dreamcast.
Even Nintendo has no chance to compete and left the home consoles market, let alone Sega.
Say what you will but in my eyes the Switch is only portable (not home) console that happens to have a video output to the TV.
talk about copium, that's military grade, Nintendo created a Console that is both for Home AND Portable, yet you shortchange the holy hell out of it. i love SEGA, but you need to tone down your fanboyism, it's getting to dick-riding levels.@@slickrat
the 6th gen literally makes me explode. PS2 XBOX GCN ugh so good
I can't explain why, but to me, Sega's PS2 output feels like Saturn era Sega, their Xbox output feels like Dreamcast era Sega, and their Gamecube output feels like Mega Drive/Genesis era Sega.
Feels like we really got the best out of every part of Sega during the 6th gen. Sad that version company now no longer exists.
In "some ways" OG XBox is like a Dreamcast 2
Sega made more games on ps2.
Seem that way
@@hpickettz34but the feel, the controller, the games
There are 4x as many games for the ps2 in general.@@hpickettz34
For some reason I feel the GameCube is the DC2
You are Our Lord over at the Saturn Junkyard! We love your output (particularly Saturn related!) and thank you for your consistently excellent videos! 💙👌😁
Love it all! I rather see Sega on other platforms than not seeing them at all. Keep them coming love watching your posts.
23:45 That's the music that plays when John Connor is in the Afterburner cab in Terminator 2
What you said about Shinobi really sums up my feelings for a lot of SEGAs titles for this generation. Looks great, but man I wish this was on Dreamcast. It's just that you can tell there is some Dreamcast DNA left in these games and it shows in gameplay and graphics. I wish SEGA would've ported some of these to the Dreamcast while acting as a third-party for other consoles. And then move over to being 100% third party when the 7th generation kicked off. I understand that SEGA was not in the financial position to do that, but it's still a shame because I truly feel the Dreamcast had so much untapped potential left after it's very short life span.
Here are some index timecodes.
1:54 PS2 Vampire Night
2:40 PS2 VF4
3:27 PS2 GunGrave
4:07 PS2 Shinobi
4:48 PS2 Aero Elite
5:20 PS2 Virtual On Marz
6:12 PS2 Nightshade
6:44 PS2 Shining Tears
7:33 PS2 Astro Boy
8:10 PS2 Blood Will Tell
9:07 PS2 Shining Force Neo
10:01 PS2 Outrun 2006 C2C
10:47 PS2 Yakuza
11:37 PS2 Genesis Collection
12:17 PS2 Shining Force EXA
12:55 PS2 Sonic Riders Zero Gravity
13:32 PS2 Iron Man
14:17 PS2 Incredible Hulk
14:55 PS2 Yakuza 2
15:40 PS2 Sonic Unleashed
17:00 PS2 Altered Beast
18:06 PS2 NiGHTS Into Dreams
18:45 PS2 Thunder Force VI
19:32 PS2 Virtua Cop Elite Edition
20:04 PS2 Sega Rally 2006
20:31 PS2 Sega Ages games
27:40 XBOX SEGA
52:26 Gamecube SEGA
Thx homie u a real one
Such a long one. Much appreciated.
Surprised the ps2 port of F355 Challenge wasn’t covered
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Great video as always. One small thing though, though Yakuza/Like a Dragon was not popular in the west during this era, I'd say since Yakuza 0, that it's become fairly popular.
Sega of America did not know how to market the series.
In fact SOA was really stubborn that japanese-centric franchises would always fail in America.The same mindset existed since Kakinski days,you can see that in the book Console Wars.
Atlus franchises going to Sega changed that.
I can remember reading about this Yakuza game on /v/ here and there, so I managed to pick up a copy of it on PS2 for just $5 in this bin they always had in the back for games they didn't have space for (this was well after the 360/PS3 were out so they didn't have shelf space for last Gen anymore). Was absolutely hooked from that point forward.
Same store I found God Hand at too. Absolutely loved both games.
I have to say that gen 6 was my absolute favourite period in gaming.
While Sega bowed out of the hardware market Sony, MS and Nintendo were pretty much at the height of their respective powers for my money; and as a young adult with very few responsibilities and relatively high amounts of disposable cash - it was a great time having those three consoles.
One of my favourite gaming memories was the one (and only one!) time my friends and I moved a couple of huge CRT tvs to one of our house shares to play Halo 2 linked up.
About 95% of those games I never kenw about. Looks like my Mac will be doing an eumaltion based hidden jam finding mission.
Definitely lookin' forward to your Yakuza reviews in the future big-guy.
Great video as always 👍.
Whenever someone says a game is “repetitive”, I know I’m going to like it.
I literally bought my OG Xbox on launch day for Jet Set Radio Future and Gunvalkyrie. But since it would be a few months before both were released, i enjoyed my time with Halo, Project Gotham Racing, and DOA 3.
Look at the quality of those games on GC,PS2 and Xbox.From rpgs,fighting games,rail shooters,racing games,new franchises... Sega was the same Sega from previous generations.
Leaving the console market did not kill Sega,the fusion of Sammy did it.
Just in a few years they would abandon everything that was not Sonic and Yakuza.
Fortunately Utsumi did some revivals from those abandoned Sega franchises in 2017-2023. Most of them were outsourced (Valkyria Chronicles, Shining, Streets of Rage etc.), but someone of them were developed by Team Sonic (Phantasy Star 2 Online, Sakura Wars, Samba De Amigo) or RGG Studio (Virtua Fighter, Super Monkey Ball, probably Jet Set Radio). Yeah those revivals were definitely low budget, and ended not that good like original games, but - they are trying. Let's hope in Power Surge initiative we well get more ,,good'' revivals from classic Sega IP's.
I have that Japanese version of Nights which is quite good!
I just picked up Out Run 2 on the Original XBOX for 40 bucks last week 🎉
Sega lord should do a sega games video on the the PSP.
Working on it.
YEAH 🎉🎉🎉
Awesome
Great idea! Would love to see that too
PSP had some great fantranslations of Sega games: the two Yakuza Black Panther games,Valkyria Chronicles 3 and Phantasy Portable 2.
As Sakura Taisen 2 will be translated to Saturn in a few years I hope someone port the SS translations to the PSP (there is a compilation of Sakura Taisen 1 & 2 on it)
After hearing some NiGHTS music in the background, I'm thinking:
How cool would it be to see an orchestra perform the sound track live in concert!?
Would be so much fun to experience
3rd party Sega in 6th gen is my second favorite era of theirs when it comes to games (Saturn being first). So many great games on each platform. The birth of Yakuza, god tier sequels to past games like Outrun 2 and JSRF, other new IPs like Billy Hatcher and Gunvalkyrie. Despite going third party their creativity soared in that period (only to fall into a rut once 7th gen started). I’m hoping their new “super game” initiative will lead to a similar renaissance
45:34 love that running animation. He’s definitely done a big ‘ol dump in his big boy pants.
I gotta say it. 28:53 In Low income Urban Areas of America.
Jet Set Radio Future was one Amazing Graffiti Game. At the core it was all about thr Tags and Pieces.
Me and like 6 other friends used ro gather up at my house practicing our hand styles with Pen & Paper and taking turns playinf Jetset, and replicating our stuff in the game.
It was an amazing Alternative to the usual Perception of Graffiti at least in Los Angeles where it was seen and made to feel like baby Gang Bangers for us non Caucasians.
The reality is na! We dont want to Gang Bang we just like Getting Up!
This was a great reinforcement of how some of us just wanna have fun and be Funky while we are living our lives.
It wasn't so serious to say Marc Echo's Getting Up.
Which itself was a Fantastic slice of Graffiti History with actual Pioneers of thr Craft.
But at the time it took itself too seriously and Jet Set was a Fun ass Alternative to that.
My main issue with more modern (especially 3D) Sonic games is that target-and-shoot-yourself-towards-the-enemy mechanic. I've never found using it fun (where's the game??) and I'd much rather strip it back to bare bones and then design the enemies and levels to suit the simpler control mechanics. Sonic is always at its best when it aims for elegant simplicity.
Beach Spikers is the greatest volleyball game ever made. Fantastic gameplay. Create your own character. Train your character. It’s so much fun.
Some of the best games of all time. Excellent choices and well done thank you
The PS2 had a massive game library. Sega did a lot of good games for the PS2.
This is my favorite generation outside the SNES genesis etc and sega was killing it at this point
Let's sit back and appreciate that most games here are 60fps
Yep which the 7th gen has way less 60 fps games.
SEGA Bass Fishing Duel is my favorite!
One thing I think confuses a lot of people is Outrun 2 and Outrun Coast to Coast actually have different track lists. The Xbox Live Outrun 2 actually has the tracks from Coast to Coast. Also the Xbox version (NOT the Xbox Live) version of Outrun 2 has unlockable tracks from SCUD Racer (SEGA GT arcade game).
Genesis Collection on PS2 was a banger. Gain Ground was far and away my most played title there.
I'm always looking for cool games I haven't tried before. This list gave me a few new ones. Thanks!
This just shows the potential Sega really had. Sega was a great company that just hit a bad string of luck. The college hoops series and NFL 2K series were my favorites. I’d love to see Sega release a system to rival the PS5 Pro and Series X Pro whenever they are released.
Great idea for this video. I enjoyed a lot. Could make one only focusing on Sega franchises from previous generations (Shinobi, A Beast, the Sega Ages stuff , etc)
Sega was never a serious hardware competitor because of too much internal competition between the US and Japanese business units. Glad they stuck to their forte - great games!
Aside from that, they didnt even have a solid plan. And when they did have their one win in the West, they didnt even know how to secure the final lap versus the SNES.
You gather all this and you can safely see what the second half of the dreamcast would have been, of course with some downgrade, sega needed a console like the xbox but better made to be able to still compete, yet they did release lots of great games
Need to do a Wii sega games video. Mad world was too much fun back then!
6th gen. What a damn fine time. My favorite and honestly the strongest console I believe to have ever existed.
I guess an anime was built from that dororo game. As there’s an anime with the very same story
I love all of my old Sega consoles, but I’m happy they can put all of their effort into making games as a 3rd party developer instead of putting resources into new hardware. The only way I want Sega to release new hardware is if it’s a Saturn or Dreamcast mini, haha.
Thank you so much for this compilation. An outstanding SEGA list that yet again encourages us gaming veterans to reconsider when shopping for retro titles of days past. Sega Lord X is still my go-to SEGA source.
Can't wait what's in store for 2024. 🤘
If it wasn´t for exclusive games from Sega like:
Crazy Taxi 3
Jet Set Radio Future and Panzer Dragoon Orta, i wouldn´t bought an OG XBOX.
This is why the OG XBOX was also known as Dreamcast 2.0
that sega ages2500 columna looks good to me, i'd play it
I think probably the best thing for Virtua Fighter was SEGA going third party. They should have included VF 3TB on the VF4 disc. Then we could play that game with a decent controller layout.
I had quite a few of these early 'Sega as a 3rd party' titles. Sonic Heroes, Otogi: Myth of Demons, JSRF, Sega GT 2002, F-Zero GX, Outrun 2, Outrun 2006 Coast to Coast, Shinobi, NightShade, as well as the annual NFL and NBA 2K games.
Hopefully modern Sega explores more of their IPs with that recent announcement.
To this day, there are a lot of people begging for SEGA to come back making consoles. That is not going to happen. SEGA ain't swimming in vault money (Scrooge McDuck), even though they are doing well. Besides, making a console costs money. Tons of money. Let's just say that they do that. If for some reason, the console doesn't sell well, a huge loss is going to affect the company. They don't want to take that risk.
There was a Sega ages collection w lots of games on 1 disc released in north America that wasn't featured here.
The difference between Sega and Nintendo:
A)When Sega failed with Dreamcast, they folded called it quits, contented themselves with going 3rd party dev and their remains bought by Sammy.
B)When Nintenfo failed with Wii U, they continued for a whole console cycle of around 6 years (despite the noise wanting them to go like what Sega did) then came back with a vengeance with the Switch.
Nintendo has always been in a healthy position. Even during their “dark days” with the Wii U era, they were still in a comfortable spot. With Sega however, they were in a terrible position while operating at a loss and were unable to cover the losses generated by the Dreamcast.
You forgot about one thing. Nintendo was / is / will be always much richer company than Sega. Only Mario IP have higher value than whole Sega himself (excluding maybe Sonic).
Sega literally had no money left, there was no other move left to make. The press conference where they announced their exit from consoles was originally supposed to be the announcement of the company ending all together. Nintendo was still a highly successful company sitting on top of a mountain of money. Their merch was selling like crazy, their games were still selling huge numbers, their mini consoles were selling like crazy, and they were still making a profit off of the Wii u even with the low sales, and the 3ds was the second best selling console on the market
The thing is even when Nintendo does badly, they don't do badly. Look at this generation. GC gets destroyed by PS2, yet they still sold 80 million gba's. So, yeah, not really getting blown out so much when you remember they have other stuff to pull revenue from.
Amazing video! Thank you!
Again you ignoring Sakura Wars V: So Long My Love, which was first game in series published in NA/EU (yeah by NISA, not Sega but this is Sega franchise). This game was last released game in NA/EU on PS2 (2010), not counting sports games like FIFA, NBA, PES etc.
Phantasy Star Online remains my favorite game of all time too this day! I still play on the private servers
The interesting part about SEGA’s last system is that: The Dreamcast was the only sixth generation system to drop out of the hardware race before I was even born.
That's not interesting that's you trying to gloat. Play in traffic with your fake courage
@@terencehill2320 After you.
I’m impatiently awaiting the remake of Shinobi which will be hopefully released this year.
I was gutted when they stopped supporting the beloved Dreamcast, but very glad they survived as a software powerhouse 😁
it must have been loads of fun working on the updated 3D versions of the classics - games even then were so much more complex - it would be lovely to just make a simple, fun game.
Looking forward for a complete review of Bayonetta series when 7th generation reviews comes in
F zero and super monkey ball 2 were my best sega games of that era. Panzer dragoon orta was also great since I didn't know anyone with a saturn to play the original panzer dragoon games
F-Zero is a Nintendo franchise and done by AV who acted as 3rd party developer with quality testing and publishing done by the Big N.
Sega's only participation is in the arcade game F-Zero GX. Sega will simply bury the F-Zero if they owned it. Just like Panzer Dragoon.
It would be cool to see these games ported to where they should have originally been. Dreamcast could have had an even better library.
I remember the Dreamcast because of how I was introduced to the hardware. A mate of mine, in the 90's, was of the opinion "I don't need a PC, I got consoles". He called me on a Sunday night to say he got a Dreamcast and asked me to come up to his place to give it a go. Previous to this, I'd brought my PC up to his place and showed him the usual biz you can do with a PC. He was impressed, but unmoved, up until that Sunday night. I went up, saw what it could do, and I was actually impressed. Right up until we got to the internet portion. "Sure, you can browse the internet, but where do you save the stuff you want to?". I then found out the hard drive wasn't actually available at that time. After my thoughts were laid out on that, and after I went home, he made a decision. I went up the next weekend and found he's brought the Dreamcast back and got a full refund, then went down to a big box PC store of the time and bought a PC. Long story short, I made a PC gamer out of a console gamer who saw the restrictions and said "Nah, screw that". He still maintains a modern console set up, but his PC is his pride and joy. Go figure.
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What I would not give to get my hands on the Nights ps2 port!
After abandoning the release of its console, this was the golden age of Sega games
This was hinestly my favorite generation and time for Sega games. The Dreamcast has amazing Sega made games and they carried that to the Xbox and GameCube.
Sega lost too much money by the time 2000s came around. Only a high executive who founded sega and have saved up some fortune and was willing to give it up and inject into the company managed to keep sega alive as a software maker and publisher. What is left of sega own in house development team among her arcade and console domains who didnt quit the industry or left for other comoanies continue go keep sega alive at that time until a lot of them have grown old by now and have retired already.
Wooooow, Vampire Nights! Damn, that reminds me of my old friend. We put in some time into that cheezy little gem.
Also, GUNGRAVE! Loved that and GG: Overdose.
Dont think Id ever go back to it, but as a younger lad loved it.
Thank you SegaLordX! I have an electric car (a Polestar 2) and when I am at a public charger, I load up your videos on the car's center console UA-cam app. I intentionally wait to watch your videos when I need to do at least a 30 minute charge, so thank you for making that process much more enjoyable.
I remember renting Shinobi for PS2 at Blockbuster back in 02
Thank you for these great videos! 😄😁
The Series X is the Dreamcast 5. I miss PGR Racing Games, the Original MSR was on Dreamcast.
I remember seeing Sega Derby in my Truck stop. It had 10 stalls and was always busy.
I wonder if A) it would lose the whole loint of the game by porting it home, and B) if it made sense to bring it home, if it ecer did come home.
That was the last Sega Arcade game I saw in the wild.
Mmmmm, Record of Lodoss War. Thanks for the mega-video, Lordster! SEEEEEEEEEEGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
"Put companies like EA on notice, that the days of easy success in the sports genre were over." Well, it was a good try anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The Software is why we play. Sega just double downed on what we wanted. Great games and they keep coming. Yakuza saved Sega. Like a Dragon and a Man with no name. The hits keep on to this day.
most "shining" fans hate post Camelot games, i kinda understand them, but still if not famous series is living - its not so bad as be forgoten. so i decide to play all of them to check...
Shining tears its fine game for 7.5\10...
shining force NEO its what i gonna finish maybe today and after 70+ hours of play and grind i can say - its easy 9\10, cant wait to check next
lol, a couple day ago i found chanel on YT where a guy shows all build of cancelled VECTORMAN 3... where be seen how developing goes wrong from decent 3d platformer to HALO.. and that IRONMAN is so look like it was maded on those builds)
When i saw that HULK gameplay i even through screen could feel it - this game was a base to PROTOTYPE 2009 game... maybe not engine, but scripts for sure
One game by Sega I enjoyed on the PS2 that was Japan exclusive was Initial D Special Stage. I actually have a physical copy of that game and made a slight modification to my PS2 in order to play it since the console is region locked. But it's based on the Initial D Arcade Stage series. Initial D Arcade Stage Ver. 2 specifically. I also played Shinobi. Not a bad game. In my opinion, the Xbox had the beat Sega titles. Panzer Dragoon Orta which was what sold me to the Xbox, I had the bundle that came with Sega GT 2002 and Jet Set Radio Future. I didn't care much for Sega GT but I really enjoyed JSRF. I also have Shenmue II which I still play occasionally. As a kid I was really happy when Sonic Adventure 2 was coming to the Nintendo GameCube because I didn't have a Sega Dreamcast and this was my opportunity to finally play Sonic Adventure 2 I also had Sonic Adventure DX and the Sonic Mega Collection.
The PS2 Shinobi game is fun, played theough half of it recently (save got deleted in emulator sadly) i still havent played Nightshade but plan to soon, even if its a step back.
Only cultured fans will recognize the character designs from Shining Tears.
I love the focus on Sega consoles and content, but I'm happy to hear you talk about any games really. The way you break them down and organize your videos makes them so easy to watch. keep it up!
Wish we could have a collection of these games on PS4 PS5 and switch, even if they're released digital or multiple volumes
The Original Xbox is the Sega Dreamcast 2
Exactly 😊 I think that, too. The Controller Gamepad is inspired by the dreamcast Controller.
That's a great review! I think you forgot the excellent ps2 Virtua fighter 1 10th anniversary edition japan
This era of sega games so many awesome gems!!
Great work as always!
If Microsoft exits the console market in 2027 like Phil Spencer said then sega needs to drop a new system. I would probably cry and I'm a grown ass man.
Fake news. Official FTC documents that were leaked revealed they have plans until 2030. They even have midgen consoles (codenamed Brooklin and Ellewood) and portable xonsole plans.
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Yakuza did succeed in the west, it just took a long time and didn’t really start until around yakuza 5 and yakuza 0 to pickup in the west.
Right, but at this time, it was not a success at all.
Yakuza 0 and Valkyria Chronicles Steam port for 20$. Before that both franchises were basically unknown outside of Japan.
@@SegaLordX yes if you meant that time, that makes sense.
Thanks!
You've kind of posted this very ironically as today, there are rumours going about that Xbox may go Third-Party. The rumours will be talked about next week.
You’re legend.
Ah PS2 era, when 99% of Sega franchises died due to no audience on Playstation and XBOX (and terrible marketing outside Japan, which is still their ,,Achilles' heel''). Only Sonic and Puyo Puyo survived, even Yakuza was strugling in begining.
Would love to hear your take on the mega 95 from hyprkin dude, i'm sure you will once you get a hands on.
I must whole heartly said that I think we went to much off the original Headhunter with redemption. Instead of changing so much we should have focused just on a continuation story wise and as you say focus on getting the core controls, camera battle better. And especially improve the biking instead of removing it. Well ,well it is what it is. Not the worst but fore IMO a step back in many ways compared to the original.
Wasn't Dragon Force for the Playstation 2 gettingan english translation?
I’ve been watching Dororo on Amazon… kinda wanna check that PS2 game out
Mmm it’s interesting how i never got to witness Sega having a console but I guess it’s for the best 🤷♀️ 😅
The only thing you missed is the Genesis. Everything else was a figurative throw the $#!+ in the wall and see what sticks.
@@WhatIsMatter101 SEGA Saturn and Dreamcast were fine machines in their own right. The Saturn failed outside of Japan, while the Dreamcast had a premature death because of SEGA’s crippled financial status.
Shinobi. can slaughter entire armies.
... Killed by revolving hotel door