The title of this one can be taken quite negatively. Some can see it as a statement that the Saturn library is bad in general and that I’m simply saying these games are ok. Not the case. I’m making an argument that not all games typically seen in some negative light are unworthy of being played. Even games that aren’t traditionally seen as good or great, can be worth a play.
Indeed, it is so. nice to hear an expression of a truth comes from noteworthy reflection that come after a realisation of factors that must taken in from all corners within the perspective of how to rate a game and why it is subject to people talking it down or handing over all kinds of praise. Thank you
I actually love the street fighter the movie & the game. On any platform. Battlearena was a game I liked better when it first came out. I like final fight revenge just because it's a 3d capcom game on the Saturn in 1999. Mind blowing back in the day.
I don't think the library is bad. The prices are just too high on a majority of the fun games and you will have to do most of your shopping online or at conventions. Not exactly casual collecting or fun. My buddy has a pretty good Saturn collection and it's usually what I choose to play when we hang out since I can't afford some of the games he got when they were still reasonable.
@@JetWolfEX Nowadays, I listen to the soundtrack on youtube all the time, but 21-22 years ago or so, I used to pop the CD into my walkman and listen to it on the way to school.
@@testinggame5631 +All or_Nothing did it have that warning for track 1? "If you don't remove this disc from your cd player ... YOU CAN KISS YOUR TWEETERS GOODBYE!!!" 💥
Its pretty much SSF2T, with xtra cheese...and no T-Hawk or Fei Long, BUT LOTS OF "CAPTAIN SAWADA - WATCH THIS UP AND COMER!" - someone at Capcom, most definitely.
that fact was a reality seen that made me chuckle… I was thinking about typing something about that, funny that you also noted it because, yea Lo and Behold!
Low key, I've always really liked Sonic 3D Blast, I always have a lot of really chill fun when I play it. The Saturn version is just gorgeous, too. And one of the best parts is both the Saturn AND Genesis versions have totally different but equally amazing soundtracks
10:25 The flashing effect on that lightgun game is brutal. I can almost feel it in the back of my eyes. It feels like the game is attempting to reprogram my brain.
As nice as it was to hear your thoughts, I do think some bullet notes or a script would be nice to have. It was interesting to hear your opinions on these games, especially on final fight revenge.
i got toshiden ura on the saturn ending era where it was so difficult to find any games at retail, and i loved it. it even had 2 hidden boss battles that where tough, that kept me coming back
Great video for a rainy Monday here, I've still never played half of these titles! The lack of a script worked out well, candid thoughts. Love the channel
I agree the Saturn version of Virtua Racing is good. The Genesis version I feel like actually controls much much better but overall the Saturn version has more options and features which slightly gives it the edge. I unfortunately don't own the 32x version but I hear that version is a better version of the Genesis version but it lacks the extra features of the Saturn version.
I'd include Sonic R too. Use the shoulder buttons in conjunction with the directional input for sharp turns; alone for gentle turns; both at once for a hard brake. Don't use directionals for acceleration, but the button acceleration instead. It's not hard, folks.
I'm probably one of the few people who actually enjoyed playing "Sonic 3D Blast" back in the day, and I still enjoy playing it every now and then while considering it to be one of the most underrated titles in the franchise. :)
If I may add one more game, I feel the Saturn port of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night gets a bad reputation. Yeah, the port is subpar and that really shouldn't have happened on a 2-D powerhouse console like the Saturn but it's still...fun? I get a bit jealous that we never got to play as that version's Maria anywhere else. And I did want to explore those Saturn exclusive areas (even if Koji Igarashi insists it's non-canon). Unfortunately, the devs that were in charge of the port just didn't really get the Saturn. A lot of the game is using VDP1, when it should've been using VDP2. Background details that are never interacted with or are barely noticeable could've been culled in order to improve performance.
The best part of the Sega Saturn version of Sonic 3D Blast was the 3D chaos emerald stages. It made me wish there was a true 3D Sonic game for the system. Heck, I would have been very happy with a 2D side-scrolling Sonic game, since the Saturn was very powerful with 2D, and maybe still having 3D bonus stages. In short, Sonic Mania for the Saturn. I'll never understand why Sega made some of the decisions they made.
I saw "5hit combo" and it looked like "sh@t combo". Yeah, the combo looked pretty bad but ya gotta think we as humans can't shoot fireballs out of our cracks then launch a samurai sword we hid in our pocket.
New intro!? I actually miss the little Outrun car already! :D Good to see some love for the "B Games". Definitely agree regarding Virtua Racing though. Sega at this point were still focussed on "Arcade perfect" being the dream as it was in the 16 bit era. Sony didn't have arcade heritage, so didn't give a crap about that. Sega did catch up with the Dreamcast, hence some of the Naomi ports like Virtua Tennis and Crazy Taxi having incredible home versions. But again, they were a generation behind the curve :(
This is a really good video. I like these sort of discussions where someone shares their appreciation for b-tier videogames that are often dismissed as trash. I'm reminded of Pauline Kael who often praised the virtues of "movie trash," and believe there must be a videogame cousin to that. And you can easily find far worse Saturn titles than the ones shown here. I'm a little surprised that you considered Zero Divide for this compilation. I consider that game an A-tier title that stands tall with the best 3D fighters on the console (VF Remix, VF2, Fighting Vipers, Megamix, Last Bronx, DOA, Anarchy). It remains obscure, which is a bit puzzling, but that's probably better for collectors as it keeps the prices low. Finally, I have a lot of love for Saturn Virtua Racing. That's probably because I played it when it was new, during a very cold and snowy winter of 95/96. The added cars and tracks are excellent and I wish Sega would bring those courses back. The game has a classic Atari feel and I always enjoy playing. Yes, the visuals are a little thick and chunky, but we've seen far worse. This title deserves an HD remake.
Zero Divide is the game that makes me question why we never got a four legged Motaro for Mortal Kombat Armageddon. Zero Divide had some multi-legged, non-bipedal characters. Motaro became a minotaur. :(
Great games selection. I really like Toshinden URA on the console, there are many codes to unlock characters, the intro video is superb, and I like the gameplay. Also Virtua Racing, In the Hunt or Sonic 3D are games I also enjoyed.
It’s all a matter of opinions and it matters what the gamer thinks of the game, their perception of it! Not every game is playable but I truly believe even the worst game can be desirable to someone.
Man in the mid 90s I really thought Sega Saturn and Sony Playstation were pretty even, I loved both of em equally (preordered PS; picked up Saturn a few months later so I guess I'm more partial to PS), but now it's easy to see how much better the PS is over the poor Sega. I wish I kept all my old systems instead I gave them all away... Great video.
I was unaware that Crypt Killer was commonly thought to be a bad game, i bought it a few years back and had a lot of fun playing it, Gale Racer is also a perfectly playable game and just like you say "it has Sega DNA in there" so its really a must for any fan of Sega racing games, as is Virtua Racing thinking about it.
That forest in Crypt Killer gave me Castlevania64 vibes, and then I saw that the game was made by Konami :) (keep in mind I was multitasking so I'm not sure if he mentioned it at the start of Crypt Killer segment)
Kind of off the subject. But. I absolutely love the Street Fighter movie in all its corniness. The scene where Raul Julia gives that speech. Wow. Love it so much. The fact that Raul Julia played M Bison because his kids loved the game. That just adds to the lore of that movie. And I thought the game was fun to play. Love the channel.
I've always said SF the Movie game was not that bad. Its like a reskinned SSF 2 Turbo with additional mechanics. Looks like ass but plays fine. Great video. I like the more relaxed "steaming" style of this one with your commentary. Glad to see new videos from you!
The major issue for me is that a lot of the common games are pretty average in retrospect, especially in the US. It's been tough to find decent games for a decent price and that makes it rough to collect for the Saturn. I can find better games at a cheaper price on other platforms in this current video game economy. PlayStation is way easier to get into, to this day.
Pretty much. Despite a few missing frames on the 2D stuff The PlayStation is so much easier to still collect for and playing on the right setup(CRT, RGB,) you're not missing much. Your wallet will thank you.
Saturn is still a great console with many exclusives worth playing. Sure the PS1 was the best of that generation, but I'll take the Saturn over the MEH64 any day.
I completely agree with all you say especially virtua racing. I can’t agree with sonic 3D that game was unplayable for me. It caused me motion sickness and I could never even give it a chance
To me personally you mentioned a few nice games here. I definitely remember the slowdown in In the Hunt but man it was a fun game. I've also had alot of fun with Street Fighter TM.
I was honestly disappointed when I bought my Saturn version of Street Fighter: The Movie back in the day as I was expecting a port of the arcade version, much like you were. Yes, I think I am the only person who actually liked that game and would love to own a cabinet of it. The game was so broken it was actually fun, provided you were playing against another person. Special moves did not have cooldown and you could do one right into another, throw counters, new moves like Sagat's hypnotizing eye, and more. The home ports were morphed into Super Turbo which was not a bad thing, just not what I was expecting on top of the visual downgrade. BTW, I liked how this video seemed less scripted out vs your previous videos. The casual tone and delivery seemed more relaxed, more of like you were just chatting with us vs trying to make a presentation. Keep it up!
Are we Saturn fans the only ones that obsess over which games are "not that bad"? Man, we must get a lot of disrespect from the more popular console fans!
@Xavi Galarza Hang out on Reddit and talk Saturn there all day is one thing. I know how you feel my top machines are Saturn and Sega CD. That's why this channel is an Oasis.
The PS1 was better than the Saturn, but the Saturn was still a great console, definetly better than the N64 (meh). The Dreamcast was great for it's time, solid library for it's short run, had Sega not abandoned it, I suspect it would have been the second best of it's generation, I still think the PS2 would have still won though.
I'm one of those people who didn't like it, LOL. However, it's good to hear that the game has its fans. Different strokes for different folks, and all that!
@@JetWolfEX I actually had a very good time with "Holy Ark". I agree with you, though, that it could have been more than it was. Character development (plot-wise) was very lacking, and characters felt very locked in certain "roles" they had to play in combat. However, the gameplay was just so satisfying! The music was terrific, too, and I liked quite a few of the dungeon designs. Probably not a "classic for all time" across video games, but definitely a worthwhile game for Saturn and dungeon crawler enthusiasts. As an aside, my brother once pointed out that "Golden Sun" on the GBA did everything "Holy Ark" did, but a bit better. I think he's right, so that might be a good substitute to try out for anyone who can't afford the now-overinflated price of "Holy Ark".
No Sega consoles?! At least get a Genesis, not difficult, or expensive to collect for. Saturn is getting expensive to collect for, glad I acquired most of my collection years ago. Dreamcast isn't too bad to collect for, many games are still affordable.
I believe the reason for Toshinden's appeal was and still is the strong art direction for the characters. It creates a strong personality that transcends the extremely average gameplay. I guess it pays to have your characters designed by an excellent manga artist😉 Music was pretty rockin' too.
I love Virtua Racing...... on 32X. But, I played a lot the Saturn game, because it add a ton of new features like modes, cars, tracks, and have a wheel compatibility!!! The new tracks are great, and the kart is very fun to play with the wheel.
Big fan of Sonic 3D Blast. The Saturn version is the main version IMO because the graphical upgrades significantly change the atmosphere of the game. And 3D polygon bonus stages look great. BUT most of all it has IMO one of the best game soundtracks of all time, at least for me personally. Jacques score is just so nostalgic for me. 3D Blast was one of the first titles I got for my Saturn back in 1996 and to this day I will listing to Rusty Ruin and Diamond Dust level music on UA-cam. The gameplay itself is a good bit of fun. And still to this day I can pop it in and run through the game fairly quick.
I like how the car In virtua racing seems to turn from the middle like it's got a single tire in the middle of the car and the 4 tires are just there for looks!
Honestly even tho the Street Fighter game's graphics didn't age well, it's kinda cool that they kept the traditional SF moves and used digitized graphics. I never played it but it doesn't seem that bad to me at all.
I Remember playing Battle Arena Toshinden Remix back in the day with my brother, 3D was new and a lot of things looked and played clunky since day one. We found the faces, movements and voices, etc., bizarre and fun, Toshinden Remix was one of many games we had so much fun playing against each other even if we already found games like that bizarre, specially when both got ring outs one after another and the latter still won the round. A lot of PS1 games were clunky as hell, most games were so bad they were good and rendered a lot of fun times. WWF Arcade for SNES, Medal of Honor, Syphon Filter, all these in multiplayer were tremendously fun and addictive. I still believe the 2D fighters on Saturn were FAR better than basically any 3D thing at the time for any console. Fighters Megamix is a hell of a good 3D fighting game with actual comical stuff intended, good times. And typing all this, takes me back, I just remember my brothers playing Herc's Adventures, Casper, Myst, Riven. I myself mastered Sonic R and could basically win any race with any extra items with any char, and I think it's one of the best games on the system, I think a lot of games with the BAD label are somehow misunderstood.
Great to see you back SLX. I loved Sonic 3D back in the day, the music especially I think is superb. The graphics also are solid with some great transparency effects going on.
i play it on Genesis and it's the best Sonic i ever played. i don't like the side-scrolling ones as you never see what you're running into. The 3D one i can take my time and explore.
Loved this list! I agree with you about all of these, and it seems like the commonality between most of them are "looks pretty bad, but plays well." One game I would throw into that same category that I see people online dogging on all the time was "Iron Man - XO Manowar". Yes, the graphics are pretty terrible, but the coop experience is what makes that game fun. When you have two players trying to coordinate their actions to keep from getting killed by the environment and each other, the gameplay honestly reminds me of 2-player Contra, and I had a ton of fun with it with my friends.
Another amazing video man! Thanks for the continuing great content. In the hunt is a great game. I’ve been searching for a copy. It’s a beautiful shmup!
I think the main problem SF movie had was even though it plays like SSF2T it lacked the actual feel of the game because of the weird hit detection and animations used. I personally didn't mind seeing the actors from the movie playing SF characters but the animations and hit detection just didn't help so the game took more heat than it should have. Fist.........so glad I didn't buy that game even though I heard it was a follow up to Pretty Fighter X. PFX might not be the best fighter too but it's way better than Fist and shouldn't be ignored just because people didn't like the original version on snes.
Fist wasn't that bad. It felt more like it was just lacking a lot. Every time I played the game it always felt like a severe bare bones Virtua Fighter clone to me. It just needed more moves and stuff. But the music was good at least.
I'd go a step further and say the SF The Movie for Saturn is better than the arcade game, which felt too much like a cheap MK/Street Fighter hybrid, as you mention. Final Fight Revenge isn't nearly the worst fighting game on the Saturn, but it's damn sure the strangest. A US-developed game that only released in Japan, and required a peripheral that also didn't come out in Japan. However, critics tend to thumb their nose at anything "different," as evidenced by critical rejection of the Street Fighter EX series or the action spinoffs of Syndicate and X-Com. Krypt Killer isn't a GREAT lightgun game, and it's clearly a lazy/ugly PSX port, but it's nowhere near the worst light gun game. It's not Virtua Cop, but it's a serviceable light gun game. Like Street Fighter the Movie, and Final Fight Revenge, it's all right. There seems to be a theme here.... Racing games are ALWAYS going to have an issue on console, especially when you only have the option of digital control. The decision to go with polygon cars is stupid, given the Saturn's strengths were as a 2D powerhouse, but I don't see a particularly BAD racing game here. I'd give it a go, if nothing else. It's not Outrun, sure, but it's not Frisco Heat either. Sonic 3D Blast, yeah, I have to agree, it's a fun enough game. It's not a true Sonic game by ANY measure, and yeah, it's a Genesis port, but it's not a quick-and-dirty port. A lot of effort went into improving the renders and making the game look prettier, though you ARE right that it's a 16-bit game on a 32-bit platform, and emblematic of Sega neglecting Sonic in the 32-bit era. I have to disagree about it being "for kids," as it requires a fair bit of patience and curiosity to find all the flickes, especially in the later stages. There's no excuse for In The Hunt to slow down the way it does. Even the stock Saturn was better at 2D than the PlayStation. If you can, it's clear you should get the PlayStation version. That said, it's playable enough if you don't have the ability to play the PSX version. Virtua Racing isn't bad at all. None of the home versions had a lot going for them, at least not on the contemporary systems. I'll play this over the Genesis or 32X any day. Toshinden URA resolved the most urgent issue with Toshinden, Remix, and Toshinden 2 - the speed. URA is a hell of a lot faster than the predecessors, and felt a lot snappier than a lot of 3D fighting games of the time, (obviously bar Tekken and DOA). And it retained the Toshinden 2 soundtrack, which is still my favorite fighting game soundtrack! Can't really speak to Galaxy Force 2, but it certainly looks hella nice on its own. Not being arcade perfect isn't the same as being BAD. And now, we come to the real issue, which is that people don't know how to give any nuance in their reviewing of games. Due in part to the nature of the internet and the mainstreaming of the 7-10 scale in reviewing, people don't know how to differentiate a game that's shit from a game that's all right without being amazing. And that's really the issue with these games, and many others that people casually look down on as "bad." In most cases, they're not. They're not the greatest games, but they're good enough fun to be had. As Caesar said in History of the World part 1, they're nice. Not THRILLING, but nice.
Sonic 3D Blast is perfectly fine, but also perfectly unremarkable. It's exemplary of many Traveller's Tales games; technically impressive but in terms of gameplay and design, very by the numbers and unimaginative. I always thought Sonic 3D would've been received better if it didn't have the "Sonic" brand attached to it and had just been a 16-bit showpiece with its own IP.
Speaking of Sonic 3D Blast, it has exclusive special stages comparable to Sonic 2's. The Mega Drive version has easy special stages, but the Sega Saturn version is far more challenging due to the halfpipe format used. You have to clear a special stage per act to get a Chaos Emerald. Playing a second special stage in the same act gives you an extra life upon clearing it.
Loved this video. I enjoyed seeing your opinion on some of the games shown but also how I disagreed with a few things you said. I enjoyed the fact that I could argue or debate on a few of these games (In the Hunt, particularly) but I always tell people, regardless of what I or anyone says, you would be doing an injustice to not try games out for yourself. Good and Bad experiences are what makes up a life in gaming. Thank you for this!
In The Hunt looks like underwater Metal Slug (not a bad thing) and Final Fight Revenge reminds me a little of the Street Fighter EX series (but nowhere near as good). But man, I died when I saw those Crypt Killer trees!
Excellent video! Really enjoyed seeing some lesser loved Saturn games in more detail. Although, always enjoyed In The Hunt, Virtua Racing & Galaxy Force II. Was put off Rad Mobile though exactly as you say.
In the 32 bit era I went to the Playstation due to several factors. Interesting that on "our side", Toshinden was a landmark. Toshinden 2 is a best fighting games of the classic PSX era. I remember how Virtua Fighter looked from last century when compared to Toshiden. The sega had to race to launch Virtua Fighter 2 and do justice to what fans expected of the Saturn.
Sonic 3D Blast suffers from feelings of massive disappointment rather than terrible quality. Graphically, it has aged well for the era, the sound track is good, and as you said, the gameplay is simple. Good in short bursts. I'm willing to bet that if this wasn't a Sonic game it would be a cult classic or a hidden gem.
There's this strategy rpg that came out in Japan called Ronde for the Sega Saturn and it was an attempt to go 3D that graphically looks absolutely horrendous, so much so that it effectively killed the Majin Tensei series that it's a part of. Now, I wasn't around at the time so I can't exactly say that what I think about it right now is what I would've back then but I gave it a chance recently and it really isnt that bad, of course having the animations turned off helps the speed of battles tremendously. I'm hoping anyone who's a fan of Atlus games gives it a chance.
The stage layout in Sonic 3D Blast remind me of GameGear's Sonic Labyrinth but without the time limit, the stages in Sonic 3D Blast being better looking than Labyrinth, Sonic being faster in Sonic 3D Blast than on Labyrinth and with a bonus stage in Sonic 3D Blast for collecting Chaos Emeralds.
In The Hunt's slowdown on the Saturn is just horribly lazy programming. Or just unskilled perhaps. A game like that should've shined. You don't buy In The Hunt because of price. At least here.
I enjoyed the subject and the vid itself. I also once naysay'd Saturn VR; but I changed my opinion 10 years ago when I replayed it and found it had all those good qualities that you mentioned. It loses the fast arcade Sega feel that the 32x version nailed, but all the extra content and extra polygons and colors make it a fun 1-player Saturn game.
17:10 Thank you! I still have my copy of this game. My only complaint with it is the slightly slow loading times, but that's to be expected because it's a disc port.
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The title of this one can be taken quite negatively. Some can see it as a statement that the Saturn library is bad in general and that I’m simply saying these games are ok. Not the case. I’m making an argument that not all games typically seen in some negative light are unworthy of being played. Even games that aren’t traditionally seen as good or great, can be worth a play.
Indeed, it is so. nice to hear an expression of a truth comes from noteworthy reflection that come after a realisation of factors that must taken in from all corners within the perspective of how to rate a game and why it is subject to people talking it down or handing over all kinds of praise. Thank you
I actually love the street fighter the movie & the game. On any platform. Battlearena was a game I liked better when it first came out. I like final fight revenge just because it's a 3d capcom game on the Saturn in 1999. Mind blowing back in the day.
like magic carpet, virtual hydelide, die hard trilogy, and tomb raider
I had some great night's on the saturn with friends athlete kings was a great multi player and house of the dead was great
I don't think the library is bad. The prices are just too high on a majority of the fun games and you will have to do most of your shopping online or at conventions. Not exactly casual collecting or fun.
My buddy has a pretty good Saturn collection and it's usually what I choose to play when we hang out since I can't afford some of the games he got when they were still reasonable.
You forgot the best part of Street Fighter: The Movie...Kylie Minogue in a leotard.
One of the best asses
Chun Li looking pretty damn good too.
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You should toss up an epilepsy warning for crypt killers. There's a lot of rapid flashing
Thank you.
The sound track for 3D Blast will always bring back memories. Sometimes, when it's raining, I play the theme to Rusty Ruins.
I do the exact same thing. The soundtrack to the Saturn version is fantastic, and the Rusty Ruins tracks are among my favorite
Do you guys put the game CD in a CD player? I use mine with the Saturn built in CD player and just play the whole soundtrack every once in awhile.
@@JetWolfEX Nowadays, I listen to the soundtrack on youtube all the time, but 21-22 years ago or so, I used to pop the CD into my walkman and listen to it on the way to school.
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did it have that warning for track 1? "If you don't remove this disc from your cd player ... YOU CAN KISS YOUR TWEETERS GOODBYE!!!" 💥
It's good to know that there is a guy, who is really into the Saturn. Who knows what he is talking about. And doing it with passion.
Ah, Street Fighter The Movie. Watched it last night. The guiltiest of the guilty pleasures.
Guitar Anthony OF COURSE!
"I'm going to go down there and kick Bison's butt so BAD, that all the Bison WANNABES are gonna feel it!"
@@yellowblanka6058 So who wants to go home...
It's the Flash Gordon of the 90's. I love it!
Street Fighter The Movie is such a guilty pleasure for me. Great vid.
Its pretty much SSF2T, with xtra cheese...and no T-Hawk or Fei Long, BUT LOTS OF "CAPTAIN SAWADA - WATCH THIS UP AND COMER!" - someone at Capcom, most definitely.
I like the game. It plays like SSF2T, even with heavy-diltering.
The Saturn version of Sonic 3D Blast/Sonic 3D: Flickies' Island plays better with the Saturn 3D controller that came with NiGHTS Into Dreams....
And the music is great. I love both but the Saturn one is better to me
Oh god the soundtrack on the Saturn is from a different planet.
Same with Whizz I guess.
Sonic 3d blast could have been amazing if it had track ball support and 2 player simultaneous/split screen. It kind of has that Marble Madness vibe.
Or if it was in true 3D *like the special stages it has* but out of the 3 versions of Sonic 3D *Genesis/Saturn/PC* the Saturn is the best version.
2:27 lol sh!t combo Ik it says 5 hit combo but it’s funny nevertheless
that fact was a reality seen that made me chuckle… I was thinking about typing something about that, funny that you also noted it because, yea Lo and Behold!
I had to do a triple take before I figured it out!!!
Hahaha, glad I'm not the only one that noticed that. Had to rewind it to make sure I saw what I saw lol
LoL ... I get it now ... Had to triple take that ... Haha
Glad I wasn't the only person who noticed. Ha, ha!
That Ken victory pose though! 😂😂😂
For reference, it's at 3:37, and is glorious.
Low key, I've always really liked Sonic 3D Blast, I always have a lot of really chill fun when I play it. The Saturn version is just gorgeous, too. And one of the best parts is both the Saturn AND Genesis versions have totally different but equally amazing soundtracks
I really like the more relaxed, laid back atmosphere of this video.
Thanks man. That was what I was shooting for.
10:25 The flashing effect on that lightgun game is brutal. I can almost feel it in the back of my eyes. It feels like the game is attempting to reprogram my brain.
8:30 the X-ray move used in a fighter way before MK. I didn't know this.
Vintage Feels
Yeah, i wonder if thats where the idea came from?
My thoughts exactly!
Super agree on Sonic 3D Blast, the graphics update and the soundtrack are great. The soundtrack alone is reason enough to own the game.
The Saturn’s bonus stages are also genuinely awesome.
Jesus, that Henry Explorers game is a seizure nightmare. Who thought that making the screen flash with every shot was a good idea?
It's even more confusing when you consider I was playing with the controller. Why does it flash at all with the gamepad?
Good ol' Henry...
As nice as it was to hear your thoughts, I do think some bullet notes or a script would be nice to have. It was interesting to hear your opinions on these games, especially on final fight revenge.
i got toshiden ura on the saturn ending era where it was so difficult to find any games at retail, and i loved it. it even had 2 hidden boss battles that where tough, that kept me coming back
Great video for a rainy Monday here, I've still never played half of these titles! The lack of a script worked out well, candid thoughts. Love the channel
Thanks, Greg. :)
I agree the Saturn version of Virtua Racing is good. The Genesis version I feel like actually controls much much better but overall the Saturn version has more options and features which slightly gives it the edge. I unfortunately don't own the 32x version but I hear that version is a better version of the Genesis version but it lacks the extra features of the Saturn version.
I'd include Sonic R too.
Use the shoulder buttons in conjunction with the directional input for sharp turns; alone for gentle turns; both at once for a hard brake. Don't use directionals for acceleration, but the button acceleration instead.
It's not hard, folks.
I'm probably one of the few people who actually enjoyed playing "Sonic 3D Blast" back in the day, and I still enjoy playing it every now and then while considering it to be one of the most underrated titles in the franchise. :)
Glad to see My Lord looks healthy and fine ...
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If I may add one more game, I feel the Saturn port of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night gets a bad reputation. Yeah, the port is subpar and that really shouldn't have happened on a 2-D powerhouse console like the Saturn but it's still...fun? I get a bit jealous that we never got to play as that version's Maria anywhere else. And I did want to explore those Saturn exclusive areas (even if Koji Igarashi insists it's non-canon). Unfortunately, the devs that were in charge of the port just didn't really get the Saturn. A lot of the game is using VDP1, when it should've been using VDP2. Background details that are never interacted with or are barely noticeable could've been culled in order to improve performance.
Agreed. A decent port of an outstanding game is still a *great* game.
It's still the only version I've played, and I had a good experience.
The best part of the Sega Saturn version of Sonic 3D Blast was the 3D chaos emerald stages. It made me wish there was a true 3D Sonic game for the system. Heck, I would have been very happy with a 2D side-scrolling Sonic game, since the Saturn was very powerful with 2D, and maybe still having 3D bonus stages. In short, Sonic Mania for the Saturn. I'll never understand why Sega made some of the decisions they made.
People dislike the Saturn port of Galaxy Force II? That's news to me, IMO despite the reduced framerate the port is still very enjoyable.
(In Jack Torrance voice) heeeere's Saturn, I'm going to show you some of the games that really shine darling!
I saw "5hit combo" and it looked like "sh@t combo". Yeah, the combo looked pretty bad but ya gotta think we as humans can't shoot fireballs out of our cracks then launch a samurai sword we hid in our pocket.
Two SLX videos in one day? You are a good man.
Nice gamer chair you have. Thanks for the video.
Am I the only one that actually appreciates some slowdown in my retro shmups? Gives it a bit of a boost, or rather a reduction int he difficulty!
sometimes I love the slowdown
Thanks for doing something creative and different. This is a refreshing new list
New intro!? I actually miss the little Outrun car already! :D
Good to see some love for the "B Games".
Definitely agree regarding Virtua Racing though. Sega at this point were still focussed on "Arcade perfect" being the dream as it was in the 16 bit era. Sony didn't have arcade heritage, so didn't give a crap about that. Sega did catch up with the Dreamcast, hence some of the Naomi ports like Virtua Tennis and Crazy Taxi having incredible home versions. But again, they were a generation behind the curve :(
This is a really good video. I like these sort of discussions where someone shares their appreciation for b-tier videogames that are often dismissed as trash. I'm reminded of Pauline Kael who often praised the virtues of "movie trash," and believe there must be a videogame cousin to that. And you can easily find far worse Saturn titles than the ones shown here.
I'm a little surprised that you considered Zero Divide for this compilation. I consider that game an A-tier title that stands tall with the best 3D fighters on the console (VF Remix, VF2, Fighting Vipers, Megamix, Last Bronx, DOA, Anarchy). It remains obscure, which is a bit puzzling, but that's probably better for collectors as it keeps the prices low.
Finally, I have a lot of love for Saturn Virtua Racing. That's probably because I played it when it was new, during a very cold and snowy winter of 95/96. The added cars and tracks are excellent and I wish Sega would bring those courses back. The game has a classic Atari feel and I always enjoy playing. Yes, the visuals are a little thick and chunky, but we've seen far worse. This title deserves an HD remake.
I was kind of hoping that M2 would use some of the content in the Switch game. Karts in that would have been awesome.
Zero Divide is the game that makes me question why we never got a four legged Motaro for Mortal Kombat Armageddon. Zero Divide had some multi-legged, non-bipedal characters. Motaro became a minotaur. :(
Great games selection. I really like Toshinden URA on the console, there are many codes to unlock characters, the intro video is superb, and I like the gameplay. Also Virtua Racing, In the Hunt or Sonic 3D are games I also enjoyed.
Loved playing In The Hunt and had many good times playing Manx TT with friends loved playing with the sheep
It’s all a matter of opinions and it matters what the gamer thinks of the game, their perception of it! Not every game is playable but I truly believe even the worst game can be desirable to someone.
Is that a GameCube in your profile pic? LoL
BeeTeeCee _ yes a GameCube with eyes and smoking a blunt
@@Sega_is_all_i_cd I want to hang out with that gamecube.
Sonic 3D Blast is fun.
Man in the mid 90s I really thought Sega Saturn and Sony Playstation were pretty even, I loved both of em equally (preordered PS; picked up Saturn a few months later so I guess I'm more partial to PS), but now it's easy to see how much better the PS is over the poor Sega. I wish I kept all my old systems instead I gave them all away... Great video.
I enjoy 3D blast on Saturn more than most Sonic games, it's probably a controversial opinion, but I can't help liking what I like.
I was unaware that Crypt Killer was commonly thought to be a bad game, i bought it a few years back and had a lot of fun playing it, Gale Racer is also a perfectly playable game and just like you say "it has Sega DNA in there" so its really a must for any fan of Sega racing games, as is Virtua Racing thinking about it.
That forest in Crypt Killer gave me Castlevania64 vibes, and then I saw that the game was made by Konami :) (keep in mind I was multitasking so I'm not sure if he mentioned it at the start of Crypt Killer segment)
Kind of off the subject. But. I absolutely love the Street Fighter movie in all its corniness. The scene where Raul Julia gives that speech. Wow. Love it so much. The fact that Raul Julia played M Bison because his kids loved the game. That just adds to the lore of that movie. And I thought the game was fun to play. Love the channel.
I've always said SF the Movie game was not that bad. Its like a reskinned SSF 2 Turbo with additional mechanics. Looks like ass but plays fine.
Great video. I like the more relaxed "steaming" style of this one with your commentary. Glad to see new videos from you!
It's not like a reskinned ssf2t, it IS a reskinned ssf2t. 😂
@@ikuzoburandeon I guess I was thinking of the additions, like the shadow moves. But you're right, essentially the same game.
The major issue for me is that a lot of the common games are pretty average in retrospect, especially in the US. It's been tough to find decent games for a decent price and that makes it rough to collect for the Saturn. I can find better games at a cheaper price on other platforms in this current video game economy. PlayStation is way easier to get into, to this day.
Pretty much. Despite a few missing frames on the 2D stuff The PlayStation is so much easier to still collect for and playing on the right setup(CRT, RGB,) you're not missing much. Your wallet will thank you.
Saturn is still a great console with many exclusives worth playing. Sure the PS1 was the best of that generation, but I'll take the Saturn over the MEH64 any day.
Go for a a japanese saturn a lot of gems, a fraction of the US price.
I completely agree with all you say especially virtua racing. I can’t agree with sonic 3D that game was unplayable for me. It caused me motion sickness and I could never even give it a chance
Needed a seizure warning for Henry Explorers.
To me personally you mentioned a few nice games here. I definitely remember the slowdown in In the Hunt but man it was a fun game. I've also had alot of fun with Street Fighter TM.
2:13...looks like it says "Shit Combo". The game was trying to tell you.
Do you remember Last Bronx? Do that game. That game is a true gem💎
I was honestly disappointed when I bought my Saturn version of Street Fighter: The Movie back in the day as I was expecting a port of the arcade version, much like you were. Yes, I think I am the only person who actually liked that game and would love to own a cabinet of it. The game was so broken it was actually fun, provided you were playing against another person. Special moves did not have cooldown and you could do one right into another, throw counters, new moves like Sagat's hypnotizing eye, and more.
The home ports were morphed into Super Turbo which was not a bad thing, just not what I was expecting on top of the visual downgrade.
BTW, I liked how this video seemed less scripted out vs your previous videos. The casual tone and delivery seemed more relaxed, more of like you were just chatting with us vs trying to make a presentation. Keep it up!
Thanks for the feedback. :)
Are we Saturn fans the only ones that obsess over which games are "not that bad"?
Man, we must get a lot of disrespect from the more popular console fans!
Gotta fight for the games that have no voice.
@@SegaLordX I hear you...Iron Man/X-O Manowar gets my vote for best "hidden mediocre gem"!
@Xavi Galarza Hang out on Reddit and talk Saturn there all day is one thing. I know how you feel my top machines are Saturn and Sega CD. That's why this channel is an Oasis.
The PS1 was better than the Saturn, but the Saturn was still a great console, definetly better than the N64 (meh). The Dreamcast was great for it's time, solid library for it's short run, had Sega not abandoned it, I suspect it would have been the second best of it's generation, I still think the PS2 would have still won though.
people say shining wisdom is one of the worst shining games. but for me it is the only shining game I could get into
I'm one of those people who didn't like it, LOL. However, it's good to hear that the game has its fans. Different strokes for different folks, and all that!
@@JetWolfEX I actually had a very good time with "Holy Ark". I agree with you, though, that it could have been more than it was. Character development (plot-wise) was very lacking, and characters felt very locked in certain "roles" they had to play in combat. However, the gameplay was just so satisfying! The music was terrific, too, and I liked quite a few of the dungeon designs. Probably not a "classic for all time" across video games, but definitely a worthwhile game for Saturn and dungeon crawler enthusiasts.
As an aside, my brother once pointed out that "Golden Sun" on the GBA did everything "Holy Ark" did, but a bit better. I think he's right, so that might be a good substitute to try out for anyone who can't afford the now-overinflated price of "Holy Ark".
I don't even play Sega or have any Sega consoles or anything but I still watch these
I think I would do that, too. Sega Lord X is sort of my therapist.
No Sega consoles?! At least get a Genesis, not difficult, or expensive to collect for. Saturn is getting expensive to collect for, glad I acquired most of my collection years ago. Dreamcast isn't too bad to collect for, many games are still affordable.
Sonic 3D, to me, played like the 80's game "Marble Madness"!
His reasoning with every game on this list is "Well it's not as bad as ____" ..but YES most of these games ARE bad even if they aren't the worst.
FFR reminds of Rival School for the PS. Looks A LOT like it!!!
I believe the reason for Toshinden's appeal was and still is the strong art direction for the characters. It creates a strong personality that transcends the extremely average gameplay. I guess it pays to have your characters designed by an excellent manga artist😉 Music was pretty rockin' too.
I love Virtua Racing...... on 32X. But, I played a lot the Saturn game, because it add a ton of new features like modes, cars, tracks, and have a wheel compatibility!!! The new tracks are great, and the kart is very fun to play with the wheel.
You, Sir, are one of my favorite UA-camrs. You're one of the only channels that I turn my notifications on for.
Shinobi on Saturn I actually one of my favorites ever
completely agree
2:27 SHIT COMBO. Sagat: Um, alright. I'm trying my best ok? ***sob***
FANTASTIC as always.. I hang out for your Sega videos man.. thank you.
Appreciate the post, Teddy.
Big fan of Sonic 3D Blast. The Saturn version is the main version IMO because the graphical upgrades significantly change the atmosphere of the game. And 3D polygon bonus stages look great. BUT most of all it has IMO one of the best game soundtracks of all time, at least for me personally. Jacques score is just so nostalgic for me. 3D Blast was one of the first titles I got for my Saturn back in 1996 and to this day I will listing to Rusty Ruin and Diamond Dust level music on UA-cam.
The gameplay itself is a good bit of fun. And still to this day I can pop it in and run through the game fairly quick.
I like how the car In virtua racing seems to turn from the middle like it's got a single tire in the middle of the car and the 4 tires are just there for looks!
Reappraisal of games I initially don't get on with is a huge contributing factor for why my collection just keeps growing.
Holy crap he’s alive! Welcome back Mel!
I can never see or play the game rad mobile without thinking of the movie Encino man. Weezin the juice, nugs, chillin & grindin!
Honestly even tho the Street Fighter game's graphics didn't age well, it's kinda cool that they kept the traditional SF moves and used digitized graphics. I never played it but it doesn't seem that bad to me at all.
I love Sonic 3D blast.. it's a spruced up version of the Gen/MD game and that's good for me as I loved that.
Given how complex programming effectively for the Saturn was, it's amazing most games ran as well as they did.
I Remember playing Battle Arena Toshinden Remix back in the day with my brother, 3D was new and a lot of things looked and played clunky since day one. We found the faces, movements and voices, etc., bizarre and fun, Toshinden Remix was one of many games we had so much fun playing against each other even if we already found games like that bizarre, specially when both got ring outs one after another and the latter still won the round. A lot of PS1 games were clunky as hell, most games were so bad they were good and rendered a lot of fun times. WWF Arcade for SNES, Medal of Honor, Syphon Filter, all these in multiplayer were tremendously fun and addictive. I still believe the 2D fighters on Saturn were FAR better than basically any 3D thing at the time for any console. Fighters Megamix is a hell of a good 3D fighting game with actual comical stuff intended, good times. And typing all this, takes me back, I just remember my brothers playing Herc's Adventures, Casper, Myst, Riven. I myself mastered Sonic R and could basically win any race with any extra items with any char, and I think it's one of the best games on the system, I think a lot of games with the BAD label are somehow misunderstood.
wow your presenting skills have massively improved from this time period
Great to see you back SLX.
I loved Sonic 3D back in the day, the music especially I think is superb. The graphics also are solid with some great transparency effects going on.
I loved it too, it was a great game!
i play it on Genesis and it's the best Sonic i ever played.
i don't like the side-scrolling ones as you never see what you're running into.
The 3D one i can take my time and explore.
Two videos on the same day? The algorithm will punish you.
Loved this list! I agree with you about all of these, and it seems like the commonality between most of them are "looks pretty bad, but plays well." One game I would throw into that same category that I see people online dogging on all the time was "Iron Man - XO Manowar". Yes, the graphics are pretty terrible, but the coop experience is what makes that game fun. When you have two players trying to coordinate their actions to keep from getting killed by the environment and each other, the gameplay honestly reminds me of 2-player Contra, and I had a ton of fun with it with my friends.
I think I’ve watched all your content by now, but, for whatever reason, this is my favorite game review/compilation you’ve done.
“Fist” lol.
Another amazing video man! Thanks for the continuing great content. In the hunt is a great game. I’ve been searching for a copy. It’s a beautiful shmup!
I think the main problem SF movie had was even though it plays like SSF2T it lacked the actual feel of the game because of the weird hit detection and animations used. I personally didn't mind seeing the actors from the movie playing SF characters but the animations and hit detection just didn't help so the game took more heat than it should have.
Fist.........so glad I didn't buy that game even though I heard it was a follow up to Pretty Fighter X. PFX might not be the best fighter too but it's way better than Fist and shouldn't be ignored just because people didn't like the original version on snes.
And it seems kind of silly to play a game based on a movie based on a game vs. playing the original game that's higher quality anyway.
Fist wasn't that bad. It felt more like it was just lacking a lot. Every time I played the game it always felt like a severe bare bones Virtua Fighter clone to me. It just needed more moves and stuff. But the music was good at least.
I'd go a step further and say the SF The Movie for Saturn is better than the arcade game, which felt too much like a cheap MK/Street Fighter hybrid, as you mention.
Final Fight Revenge isn't nearly the worst fighting game on the Saturn, but it's damn sure the strangest. A US-developed game that only released in Japan, and required a peripheral that also didn't come out in Japan. However, critics tend to thumb their nose at anything "different," as evidenced by critical rejection of the Street Fighter EX series or the action spinoffs of Syndicate and X-Com.
Krypt Killer isn't a GREAT lightgun game, and it's clearly a lazy/ugly PSX port, but it's nowhere near the worst light gun game. It's not Virtua Cop, but it's a serviceable light gun game. Like Street Fighter the Movie, and Final Fight Revenge, it's all right.
There seems to be a theme here....
Racing games are ALWAYS going to have an issue on console, especially when you only have the option of digital control. The decision to go with polygon cars is stupid, given the Saturn's strengths were as a 2D powerhouse, but I don't see a particularly BAD racing game here. I'd give it a go, if nothing else. It's not Outrun, sure, but it's not Frisco Heat either.
Sonic 3D Blast, yeah, I have to agree, it's a fun enough game. It's not a true Sonic game by ANY measure, and yeah, it's a Genesis port, but it's not a quick-and-dirty port. A lot of effort went into improving the renders and making the game look prettier, though you ARE right that it's a 16-bit game on a 32-bit platform, and emblematic of Sega neglecting Sonic in the 32-bit era. I have to disagree about it being "for kids," as it requires a fair bit of patience and curiosity to find all the flickes, especially in the later stages.
There's no excuse for In The Hunt to slow down the way it does. Even the stock Saturn was better at 2D than the PlayStation. If you can, it's clear you should get the PlayStation version. That said, it's playable enough if you don't have the ability to play the PSX version.
Virtua Racing isn't bad at all. None of the home versions had a lot going for them, at least not on the contemporary systems. I'll play this over the Genesis or 32X any day.
Toshinden URA resolved the most urgent issue with Toshinden, Remix, and Toshinden 2 - the speed. URA is a hell of a lot faster than the predecessors, and felt a lot snappier than a lot of 3D fighting games of the time, (obviously bar Tekken and DOA). And it retained the Toshinden 2 soundtrack, which is still my favorite fighting game soundtrack!
Can't really speak to Galaxy Force 2, but it certainly looks hella nice on its own. Not being arcade perfect isn't the same as being BAD.
And now, we come to the real issue, which is that people don't know how to give any nuance in their reviewing of games. Due in part to the nature of the internet and the mainstreaming of the 7-10 scale in reviewing, people don't know how to differentiate a game that's shit from a game that's all right without being amazing. And that's really the issue with these games, and many others that people casually look down on as "bad." In most cases, they're not. They're not the greatest games, but they're good enough fun to be had. As Caesar said in History of the World part 1, they're nice. Not THRILLING, but nice.
Sonic 3D Blast is perfectly fine, but also perfectly unremarkable. It's exemplary of many Traveller's Tales games; technically impressive but in terms of gameplay and design, very by the numbers and unimaginative. I always thought Sonic 3D would've been received better if it didn't have the "Sonic" brand attached to it and had just been a 16-bit showpiece with its own IP.
Speaking of Sonic 3D Blast, it has exclusive special stages comparable to Sonic 2's. The Mega Drive version has easy special stages, but the Sega Saturn version is far more challenging due to the halfpipe format used. You have to clear a special stage per act to get a Chaos Emerald. Playing a second special stage in the same act gives you an extra life upon clearing it.
"Street Fighter the Movie, the game" is what the movie needed to be good... i mean, the actors actually making the moves as they were supposed to.
Loved this video. I enjoyed seeing your opinion on some of the games shown but also how I disagreed with a few things you said. I enjoyed the fact that I could argue or debate on a few of these games (In the Hunt, particularly) but I always tell people, regardless of what I or anyone says, you would be doing an injustice to not try games out for yourself. Good and Bad experiences are what makes up a life in gaming. Thank you for this!
In The Hunt looks like underwater Metal Slug (not a bad thing) and Final Fight Revenge reminds me a little of the Street Fighter EX series (but nowhere near as good). But man, I died when I saw those Crypt Killer trees!
Excellent video! Really enjoyed seeing some lesser loved Saturn games in more detail.
Although, always enjoyed In The Hunt, Virtua Racing & Galaxy Force II.
Was put off Rad Mobile though exactly as you say.
“5 Hit Combo” looks like “SHIT Combo” I had to double take.
In the 32 bit era I went to the Playstation due to several factors. Interesting that on "our side", Toshinden was a landmark. Toshinden 2 is a best fighting games of the classic PSX era. I remember how Virtua Fighter looked from last century when compared to Toshiden. The sega had to race to launch Virtua Fighter 2 and do justice to what fans expected of the Saturn.
Sonic 3D Blast suffers from feelings of massive disappointment rather than terrible quality. Graphically, it has aged well for the era, the sound track is good, and as you said, the gameplay is simple. Good in short bursts. I'm willing to bet that if this wasn't a Sonic game it would be a cult classic or a hidden gem.
I'd likely agree. The Sonic stamp is no doubt the genesis of it disappointment....
The game had and still does receive massive blowback for what it wasn't, Sonic Xtreme.
Was thinking about Crypt Killer but the way the screen flashes every time you shoot is a deal breaker.
There were so many fighting games during 16 and 32 bit era. It was a very saturated genre as I remember.
Just found you're channel and as a sega fan boy of old im thankful that i did.
There's this strategy rpg that came out in Japan called Ronde for the Sega Saturn and it was an attempt to go 3D that graphically looks absolutely horrendous, so much so that it effectively killed the Majin Tensei series that it's a part of. Now, I wasn't around at the time so I can't exactly say that what I think about it right now is what I would've back then but I gave it a chance recently and it really isnt that bad, of course having the animations turned off helps the speed of battles tremendously. I'm hoping anyone who's a fan of Atlus games gives it a chance.
The stage layout in Sonic 3D Blast remind me of GameGear's Sonic Labyrinth but without the time limit, the stages in Sonic 3D Blast being better looking than Labyrinth, Sonic being faster in Sonic 3D Blast than on Labyrinth and with a bonus stage in Sonic 3D Blast for collecting Chaos Emeralds.
In The Hunt's slowdown on the Saturn is just horribly lazy programming. Or just unskilled perhaps. A game like that should've shined. You don't buy In The Hunt because of price. At least here.
Hey, the slowdown is EXACTLY the same as the Arcade. The Playstation version runs too fast compared to the Arcade and Saturn version.
I enjoyed the subject and the vid itself. I also once naysay'd Saturn VR; but I changed my opinion 10 years ago when I replayed it and found it had all those good qualities that you mentioned. It loses the fast arcade Sega feel that the 32x version nailed, but all the extra content and extra polygons and colors make it a fun 1-player Saturn game.
This video sounds like a podcast actually. I am not used to it, but like it.
3:20 the Ken Vs Chun Li fight was ruined forever by the latest Black Mirror episode
17:10 Thank you! I still have my copy of this game. My only complaint with it is the slightly slow loading times, but that's to be expected because it's a disc port.