I'm totally with Humberto-- everyone is all about partying and camping but I'm just not a camper-- I hate camping, I hate complicated travel arrangements, and most of all I hate travel arrangements where I'm beholden to some schedule. Golden.
That's what's so sad about being manipulated by a narcissist. If you grew up having you boundaries violated another person will recognize it if you haven't built boundaries as an adult. I keep hearing, they knew this was bad and could have backed out, but psychological manipulation is rarely that simple. Logic like that has been used on abuse victims for so long and people are recognizing that people don't really have as much choice as it seems when they are being backed into a psychological corner. I've been on the receiving end of abuse at some point I knew in the back of my mind that it was abuse and I wasn't able to separate from my abuser until someone else recognized it and helped me get out. I think that my situation parallels a lot of people who weren't leaving Billy and the Fyre festival before it was too late....well at least a few of them. I take responsibility for building up my boundaries after not knowing I had a problem with that and hopefully those who were taken advantage of/manipulated will learn too.
I honestly did not connect Psychology in Seattle with Sleepless in Seattle. You’re a psychologist from Seattle. That’s exactly how I understood the title.
I felt worst for the workers and the smaller contractors. In the doc there was a woman who had to use all her savings and take out loans to pay her employees. She showed more empathy and responsibility even though she was taken advantage of - she knew it wasn't right to leave them hanging. A better response from the attendees would be to use the media attention to fundraise for those workers. Yeah you lost a thousands but clearly you've got some level of privilege to spend that kind of money.
Most of the people who attended paid about $500 per person as general admission, which they claimed sold out so they could sell at a higher price point because it wasn't making enough money. The rest were influencers who paid nothing to attend. I don't think anyone paid the high price point.
I heard people arguing about which Fyre documentary was more ethical: Hulu or Netflix. From this episode, I learned that the Netflix one benefitted the perpetrators, and the Hulu one paid over 250,000 for the interview they did with Billy McFarland. I haven't watched either one of them yet, and am glad I listened to this first!
Where did you hear that McFarland was paid? He was convicted and therefore prohibited from making money from his crime. The Netflix doc was produced with Vice and the Fuck Jerry media company because Oren.aks was accused by his former business partners of lying about their role in promoting the fraud. In the Hulu doc Oren.aks demonstrated that Fuck Jerry didn't do their due diligence to stop the promotion. If they did a 5 minute search they would've found the venture capitalist's Fyre Fraud Twitter who was doxxing the festival the whole time and they would've found out that he stopped a $90 mil investment from Comcast into the Fyre App.
Omg you guys are hilarious. Dang you seem like fun to chill with. I always felt so odd in the club scene too. I appreciate my experiences but I never got as excited as people around me lol
The DJ thing is so popular because people look at those guys and on some level know that they could do it. They see themselves as the DJ. When John 5 starts playing, there’s no way in heaven or earth with a gun to my head I will ever do that. I appreciate musicians far more.
Instead of someone being so abused that they develop that denial reflex, couldn’t it also be true that someone has lived such a sheltered life away from consequences that denial is proof of their overwhelming inflated ego?
The only reason their marketing worked is because they promised outside of this world accommodations where as other concerts can't just promise shit that doesn't exist
Sesame Street lessons were based on the concept of marketing letters and numbers to kids. All the little cartoons were essentially “commercials” of the alphabet. That is why each episode ended with “today’s episode was brought to you by the letter A”. We were marketed to at a very early age.
The major artists are locked into long-term contracts, with he major concert promoters, and the million dollar management companies. They could not deal with apps like Fyre if their lives depended on it
Let's not forget one of the most important factors to his success, he's a white male. I think it was Ja Rules idea, but Ja knew it would take a white man to pull off the scam.
Wow, the whole club scene over there as you describe it sounds like an extension of high school politics. No wonder you can fool people by just selling a prepacked selfimage.
I went to this amazing festival in nz called (i think) area 9, the line up was incredible, all the best acts in the country. Was an absolute blast but the organizers did their sums really badly and I think a lot of the acts didn’t get paid in the end. The fyre festival story is crazy 😬
to the prices: i don't know how it works in america, but here in switzerland, students work and then spend money for 200 $ festivals, vacations, etc. i also don't think most of the offers for the fyre festival (if they would have existed) would be for rich kids only, most seems to be pretty middle class. Afordable for everybody without 50k of student's debt. i'm pretty sure nobody booked the real expensive stuff.
I lived in Seattle for a while as a kid. So I never thought the name of the podcast came from the movie. Hazard to say people can live vicariously through movies and tv shows?
I gotta say........ I listen to a couple of short psychologist based podcast, I have to say, the catchy name is largely why I choose yours to binge listen to, so I’m not sure I’d apologize. And I did think it was double layered and didn’t feel it was supporting that the movie was a strong representation of any similarity. Just a catchy remembrance. Maybe it’s not that deep bro. Enjoy listening tho.
Someone besides me is not "connected" to social media & having to listen to someones' whining about being constipated & grunting on the toilet as you speak. Wow! I thought I was the only one. I no longer feel alone.....
If I had known that the Name was not about the movie I might have clicked years not weeks ago. Because I thought it was cheesy af. And I don’t trust cheesy for the very reasons nobody should have trusted in FYRE. I am so sorry. On the other hand I am from Berlin, so there are really worse cliches people can have about your home than a Tom Hanks movie, coffee, IT and Grunge.
XD AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PODCAST I WAS LIKE omg thats silly the title is like sleepless in Seattle. BUT JESUS I DIDNT THINK UD TAKE SUCH OFFENSE TO THAT MERE THOUGHT, im from Seattle and im like oh thats funny
It was crazy too how all these rich kids turned into Lord of the Flies and started stealing from each other when things got bad.
FOMO in effect
Most people there were average joes. Most tickets had similar prices to you average festival.
I went to woodstick 94, it was about community.
When its about self, you get FYRE
I agree
I'm totally with Humberto-- everyone is all about partying and camping but I'm just not a camper-- I hate camping, I hate complicated travel arrangements, and most of all I hate travel arrangements where I'm beholden to some schedule. Golden.
I have the opposite of FOMO. LOMO? Love of missing out. I know how to have fun wherever I am at in the moment.
Also you save aaalot more money.
JOMO, or JOJO... Jomo = Joy of Missing Out, Jojo = Joy of Jacking off
That's what's so sad about being manipulated by a narcissist. If you grew up having you boundaries violated another person will recognize it if you haven't built boundaries as an adult. I keep hearing, they knew this was bad and could have backed out, but psychological manipulation is rarely that simple. Logic like that has been used on abuse victims for so long and people are recognizing that people don't really have as much choice as it seems when they are being backed into a psychological corner. I've been on the receiving end of abuse at some point I knew in the back of my mind that it was abuse and I wasn't able to separate from my abuser until someone else recognized it and helped me get out. I think that my situation parallels a lot of people who weren't leaving Billy and the Fyre festival before it was too late....well at least a few of them. I take responsibility for building up my boundaries after not knowing I had a problem with that and hopefully those who were taken advantage of/manipulated will learn too.
I honestly did not connect Psychology in Seattle with Sleepless in Seattle. You’re a psychologist from Seattle. That’s exactly how I understood the title.
I felt worst for the workers and the smaller contractors. In the doc there was a woman who had to use all her savings and take out loans to pay her employees. She showed more empathy and responsibility even though she was taken advantage of - she knew it wasn't right to leave them hanging. A better response from the attendees would be to use the media attention to fundraise for those workers. Yeah you lost a thousands but clearly you've got some level of privilege to spend that kind of money.
Most of the people who attended paid about $500 per person as general admission, which they claimed sold out so they could sell at a higher price point because it wasn't making enough money. The rest were influencers who paid nothing to attend. I don't think anyone paid the high price point.
They also put a lot of money on those wristbands
I heard people arguing about which Fyre documentary was more ethical: Hulu or Netflix. From this episode, I learned that the Netflix one benefitted the perpetrators, and the Hulu one paid over 250,000 for the interview they did with Billy McFarland. I haven't watched either one of them yet, and am glad I listened to this first!
Where did you hear that McFarland was paid? He was convicted and therefore prohibited from making money from his crime. The Netflix doc was produced with Vice and the Fuck Jerry media company because Oren.aks was accused by his former business partners of lying about their role in promoting the fraud. In the Hulu doc Oren.aks demonstrated that Fuck Jerry didn't do their due diligence to stop the promotion. If they did a 5 minute search they would've found the venture capitalist's Fyre Fraud Twitter who was doxxing the festival the whole time and they would've found out that he stopped a $90 mil investment from Comcast into the Fyre App.
Humberto has mentioned Hulu so many times, it’s showing up in my UA-cam Ads. LMAO 😂
Ha!
I like you guys. Nice to hear good talk (mostly) without politics.
Psychology in Seattle is very appropriate. In the movie's opening scene, it was the psychologist on the radio that hooked up the two protagonists. :D
After watching the Netflix doc, I can't decide who s worse: the gamblers or the customers 😂
Facts. At a certain point, you can't keep blaming the wolf, but the sheep who continue to let the wolf in.
Omg you guys are hilarious. Dang you seem like fun to chill with. I always felt so odd in the club scene too. I appreciate my experiences but I never got as excited as people around me lol
The DJ thing is so popular because people look at those guys and on some level know that they could do it. They see themselves as the DJ.
When John 5 starts playing, there’s no way in heaven or earth with a gun to my head I will ever do that. I appreciate musicians far more.
I've only seen the reaction videos and I love how casual the podcast is
When you guys were talking about the DJ's at the beginning of the video, I thought of the SNL skit 'When will the bass drop?' 😂😂😂
Totally!
Yessss!
Instead of someone being so abused that they develop that denial reflex, couldn’t it also be true that someone has lived such a sheltered life away from consequences that denial is proof of their overwhelming inflated ego?
The only reason their marketing worked is because they promised outside of this world accommodations where as other concerts can't just promise shit that doesn't exist
Sesame Street lessons were based on the concept of marketing letters and numbers to kids. All the little cartoons were essentially “commercials” of the alphabet. That is why each episode ended with “today’s episode was brought to you by the letter A”. We were marketed to at a very early age.
I just watched the doc on this! OMG thanks for discussing this. So much fun listening to you two
Never thought of Sleepless in Seattle. Don't worry about it.
Yay!
Hahaha oops, I also thought Psychology in Seattle was a pun on Sleepless in Seattle. Good episode.
I thought most ppl that purchased tickets were NOT rich kids and that the tickets were in fact sold to cheaply
The major artists are locked into long-term contracts, with he major concert promoters, and the million dollar management companies.
They could not deal with apps like Fyre if their lives depended on it
"i have a yelp lunch pail" LOL
Let's not forget one of the most important factors to his success, he's a white male. I think it was Ja Rules idea, but Ja knew it would take a white man to pull off the scam.
Wow, the whole club scene over there as you describe it sounds like an extension of high school politics. No wonder you can fool people by just selling a prepacked selfimage.
_"What are you wearing right now???"_ "flannel......... 😞"
I like bertos occupations!
The psychologhy of fire festival was WRITING CHEQUES YOUR ASS CAN'T CASH
Grunge bands hated marketing until they got record deals.
I went to this amazing festival in nz called (i think) area 9, the line up was incredible, all the best acts in the country. Was an absolute blast but the organizers did their sums really badly and I think a lot of the acts didn’t get paid in the end. The fyre festival story is crazy 😬
I love this. Live in SF and the majority of my friends are Burners. They are *baffled* that I have zero interest.
Burners?
Erik Truchinskas people who attend Burning Man
to the prices: i don't know how it works in america, but here in switzerland, students work and then spend money for 200 $ festivals, vacations, etc. i also don't think most of the offers for the fyre festival (if they would have existed) would be for rich kids only, most seems to be pretty middle class. Afordable for everybody without 50k of student's debt. i'm pretty sure nobody booked the real expensive stuff.
I thought it was "Sleepless in Seattle".
This is an excellent interview though it's old.
I lived in Seattle for a while as a kid. So I never thought the name of the podcast came from the movie. Hazard to say people can live vicariously through movies and tv shows?
Anna Delvy stayed at the Magnesis House with Billy for months. Birds of a feather…
My dumb ass would have paid for a ticket like that if I had money like that i could call... "gas money"
I gotta say........ I listen to a couple of short psychologist based podcast, I have to say, the catchy name is largely why I choose yours to binge listen to, so I’m not sure I’d apologize. And I did think it was double layered and didn’t feel it was supporting that the movie was a strong representation of any similarity. Just a catchy remembrance. Maybe it’s not that deep bro. Enjoy listening tho.
Definitely thought you were referencing sleepless in Seattle. For people in Atlanta it's "hotlanta" and "isn't everyone in Georgia racist" 🤦
Crap. Yeah, "hotlanta". That must get annoying.
51:39 Frazier, Starbucks, freaking Nirvana?
I thought you were trying to reference Sleepless in Seattle. As a cisgendered hetero woman in her early 30s, I see nothing wrong with that. 😊
Someone besides me is not "connected" to social media & having to listen to someones' whining about being constipated & grunting on the toilet as you speak. Wow! I thought I was the only one. I no longer feel alone.....
If I had known that the Name was not about the movie I might have clicked years not weeks ago. Because I thought it was cheesy af. And I don’t trust cheesy for the very reasons nobody should have trusted in FYRE. I am so sorry.
On the other hand I am from Berlin, so there are really worse cliches people can have about your home than a Tom Hanks movie, coffee, IT and Grunge.
What kind of young healthy person goes to the Bahamas without freediving gear?
So it wasnt for the movie?
Wasn’t grunge just a marketing term to hawk overpriced flannel jackets to yuppies on the east coast?
XD AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PODCAST I WAS LIKE omg thats silly the title is like sleepless in Seattle. BUT JESUS I DIDNT THINK UD TAKE SUCH OFFENSE TO THAT MERE THOUGHT, im from Seattle and im like oh thats funny
Maybe they just watched "Waynes World" one to many times when they were younger!
There's already NXNS in Canada
Is this differnt people on with you because he says he does a differnt job everytime
What I was thinking.
I only know Major Lazor. Lol. And I hate big crowds. 😂
haha I thought you were referring to “that” movie. And I live in Tacoma so I’m not that far away. It’s a good name.
Last I read the guy is free from jail...? ugh!!!
Tbh psychology in Seattle is not a very catchy name 😅
Sleepless in Seattle at the end hahahhahahha
DJ... art form, about as artistic as shuffle on Spotify.
Von Betelgeuse I was thinking about breaking into the art world by coloring over a Salvador Dali print. Same dang thing
Art is not about the outcome its about the process. Anything can be art.