My 1st Aerobatic Flight Did Not End Well
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I used to teach aerobatics at the flight school I taught at... never got sick until I went up with someone else to do aerobatics, I as the passenger. and after the thousands of hours I have, and hundreds of hours of aerobatic training i've given, never have gotten sick before, this time as the passenger, I did. It happens to ALL OF US. So don't worry!
Likewise - did a lot of Aeros myself, and while I didn’t throw up ever doing Aeros, I did barf when I was lucky enough to back-seat a Hawk on the bombing range. The repetitive G pulling after the pickle got me in the end!
It’s easy to make someone else barf - and an Extra is a bit of an extreme machine for your first go!
I heard that people who get sick in the car as passengers rarely have the same issue when driving. I wonder if this is the same effect.
Its all to do with where your looking - as the pilot, your watching instruments and key cues outside, and mostly straight in front. As a passenger you can look around and "smell the roses", so the effects of G distortion versus what you see gets amplified.
@@PrSK-ml4py Any time my wife starts feeling yucky in the car, she takes over driving and it always helps her.
Omg, I still remember my friend going into a full on aerobatic routine in a Citabria. I was so proud I didn't puke. Lol. Soooo sick feeling, but didn't want to make my budy feel bad for making me sick. It was fun though.
Wow...that pilot was soooo gracious and understanding...such a resume married to such humility!
Loved this. Poor Ryan. I felt for you. I have a friend who first had a military flying career then subsequently as an airline pilot. He says that he systematically vomited on most of his early flights on Fouga Magister but was able to push through it and get used to it eventually…
I thought you did brilliantly, Ryan. We really feel we go through it with you.
Just listening to the hideous noise from that Magister makes me sick ;-)
Two awesome guys. Looping back into your wake turbulence!!?!! 🤣🤣😂 I've been sailing all my life and seldom get seasick, but put me in an aeroplane and deviate from straight and level .... We're the same.
Ryan, this was a brilliant video. As another commentator has said, your humility (and also the wonderful attitude of Slick) is a great advertisement for aviation. We always feel so alone when we feel sick - well... you've debunked that notion. We're human after all.
But most importantly, get back in the plane and do it again. Like seasickness, it can be overcome. Especially in the company of wonderful characters as Slick.
Thanks for making this video.
I always had strong passion for aviation, but when I started flying on a small airplane, to obtain my PPL, I got sick quite often. I thought my dream was over, but with persistence things got better. I eventually got my license, and am now going for ATPL. Thank you for sharing this experience! It is really encouraging to see that professionals can also get sick from loops, spins etc.
Your passion helped het you through. Well done Martin! 🎉
I'm a student pilot and still struggling with air sickness especially doing unusual attitudes. Love for flying prevails. Thank you for sharing!
I was a tactical flight officer for the highway patrol, the only time I forgot dramamine was the most turbulence we ever had! I watched this video and that old fashioned feeling came right back! Great Video!!
My brother and I 'fought' each other with infrared 'guns' in Marchettis with Air Combat USA back in '96. Plenty of yanking and banking. I was fine. After the dogfights, my instructor asked what i wanted to do, so we did some aerobatics including a spin. My poor brother spent his flight back vomiting. Great video, Ryan!! It took some guts to share that. But you guys threw out a lot of valuable information during the flight. Also it was very cool!
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Slick is a former fighter pilot...they eat 'Gs' for breakfast. Well done, Bush Pilot, that was nice loop you pulled! GGs to both pilots for an interesting and enjoyable flight.
I can totally relate, Ryan. Love flying but not a fan of aerobatics lol.
I have mad respects for openly talking about motion sickness. I'm a student pilot with 100+ hours that still gets sick when a G load happens for a second too long. About 25+ of those training hours have been overcoming the sickness. I will hopefully get the checkride done soon and from there work on the sickness by flying more.
You will be vomiting more 😢
Welcome to the aerobatic club Ryan. All my stick time was with current or retired RAF pilots and the only shocking thing in this video is that you have not flown with a G metre before. A lot of my instruction was based around using an accelerometer as 1 of the primary flight instruments, so as not to overstress the airframe, not exclusively but especially when I was taught to do loops by watching it and swapping my view to the wing tips for references via the horizon. I felt like doing aerobatics was like been on a freeform rollercoaster, one where you choose where & when it goes and as such I simply loved doing it. I highly recommend you do some more, ease the queasiness by repetition and enjoy it to its fullest potential
It makes you more relatable and therefore way more interesting than if you chose to edit your videos and blogs so as to appear flawless. It will put impostor syndrome to rest in many student pilots out there watching Ryan being a human being just like them, so thanks a lot for that.
All the best from Austria! Since last year, i do the same way. Every fly is longer. My sickness is a mix from lost control, get the control to a other pilot (in a play that i cant play) and the motion sickness . But the time in aerobatics, is absolut free from any worries and thoughts. Not even the deepest meditation let me go more in this life moments. I wish you and all other pilots all the best for this new experience.
Sir, u reminded me of my training days as a Army helicopter pilot.. we used to do a lot of evasive mvre's and tac NOE's.. wen ever I used to fly I wud do all sorts of stunts.. but wen my buddy flies I wud get motion sick in a matter of minutes..anyways flying low was fun..
What an awesome experience flying with Slick! Maybe next year you can fly with one of the Blue Angels!
That would be cool!
Happy Easter!
That was neat!
Nice plane interesting pilots, both. Thanks so much for sharing.
Blessings
Great job Ryan. Nice to have the "perfect" instructor, all that capability while maintaining a peer to peer attitude. Best video of yours ever! 🛩
Motion sickness can suddenly catch almost anyone. I used to sail, I could go out and bob around in rough seas and not care. Never had a moment of an issue. I also cycled up Marin headlands before work a couple of times a week. To do that we took the ferry out of Alameda. On the way out one morning I was buying my ticket when we crossed the wake of a big boat heading in. Just like that I was suddenly motion sick. Never happened again. Even on the high speed ferry from Bar Harbor ME to Yarmouth NS, I was unconcerned while half the passengers were green. But I could just get caught out again, I know I'm not bomb proof.
I had the chance to go up with an experienced pilot in a tandem sailplane out of Cal City a few times in the early 90s. He was patient and generous with his time and gave me several opportunities to execute rolls and spins. It was an AMAZING experience flying (literally) for hours with no propulsion. I had no prior flight experience in type but the aircraft responded so intuitively to inputs that it wasn't really difficult to gain a sort of natural proficiency. Thank you for this flight today... I was right there with you reliving an amazing experience.
I spent 20+ years working on boats. I was fine if I was driving a boat, but if I'm just a passenger, I get a bit of motion sickness. Heck, if I get too wild when flying my FPV drones these days, I get disoriented. Know the feeling. Good video, hope if aerobatics are something you might want to pursue, that you don't let this hinder your ambitions.
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Brother there is no other way this could have gone for you and it's perfectly fine. Take a COLD bottle of water, and a shop rag with you in your pocket next time. Take a couple of swigs, and put water on that shop rag to put on the back of your neck. That sun is brutal on your neck when it's hot under the canopy, and you're getting motion sick. The cold water is a lifesaver with motion sickness. I think the biggest mistake I made in the F-16 was always try to avoid the puking. Just letting it happen likely would have been the better route.
I was doing aerobatics in an open cockpit (no canopy) Slingsby T21 glider at 17. British ATC. (Air Training Corps) A stall turn at 3000 ft with no engine or canopy stirs your guts, believe me. My next flying experiences were in the Chipmunk. The poor man's Spitfire. Full aerobatics. Slow but real flying. Seat of the pants stuff. I learned the FFP rule. Maybe a British thing. Fly the F###ing Plane. Feel the air around you like it's water.
Love your videos. After being active in PNG, one of the harshest flying environments to deal with on the planet, then admitting to sickness in aerobatics, makes it real for pilots just finding their wings. A genuine contribution to flight. Priceless info and far more valuable than the self absorbed videos I often see here. Thank you. FFP and Salute.
That was awesome, Ryan! I'm sure most people would have the same end result - that is a great experience - can't wait to see you do it again!
Good morning from Minnesota! Happens to all of us, my friend! Outstanding job!
Wow! Very interesting and fun to watch. The experience and talent in that airplane is amazing!
I made through 3 maneuvers before I almost lost it. Then felt like crap for days after. It's not for everyone
yeah I felt like a train hit me that night.
@@MissionaryBushPilot I can practice stalls and primary maneuvers all day and not a problem. And think all pilots need to practice these more than once every BFR. But once I go inverted it's all over. Thanks for sharing and just getting a ride in a plane like that is super cool
Looks like fun Ryan. Sucks to get air sick almost spoils the fun. That was quite the ride. I enjoyed watching
I thought you were a bit arrogant when you replied to my comment quite some time back but now you show your humility and humanity you have my respect. FWIW a pilot admitting motion sickness takes some courage - I admire you for that. Well done Ryan.
I've never been airsick. I've been slightly queasy after 30 minutes of aerobatics, but I can (most likely will) get seasick anytime I lose sight of land in rough seas. For the sea I wear a scopalomine patch which works pretty good. I probably get sea sick at least once a month. I took a cruise and was afraid I'd be sick for a week, but it didn't bother me. Ryan,...one thing you can do that will help is take a pretty wet, and ice cold rag, and place it over your adams apple. For some reason that helps. Taught to me by an ENT Dr.
Stick to it. You'll get over the sickness!!
Now I can see why you're such a smooth pilot 17:58 It happens to the best of us
Thanks for sharing. It's reassuring to see even experienced pilots experience air sickness.
This episode is the heart and soulful why somebody wants to become a pilot
Thanks for a great video Ryan - sorry that you got ill during the flight... that's a bit grim, but I think that apart from that you enjoyed yourself and so long as you can walk away with good memories, that.s all that is important at the end of the day... so a big 👍 and thanks for sharing 🙂❤
Great video. Yep, anyone can get motion sick given the right conditions, but the human body is amazing in its ability to adapt. It takes some time and effort, but almost anyone can beat it. Ryan, if you flew aerobatics for another 3 days in a row, you would probably be fine.
agree with jony x-- your subscribers see your humanity and humility. Thanks for being vulnerable. I, too, can get car or cockpit sick if I am not driving or piloting. As your instructor said, the more you do aerobatics the likely less motion sick you get. In the Navy aboard aircraft carrier years ago, the first day at sea in the Pacific, I would be nauseated until I got my "sea legs". After the first day at sea I was fine. Great you are trying new life episodes in aviation! Have fun.
It was learning the rolls in a Pitts S2A that did me in. After 12 rolls, I was done for the day. Other actions, like loops and hammerheads, were not a problem. We landed, I drove home, and I was still burping when I got there. As you were doing rolls, I was talking to the screen! No more rolls!!
Ryan, Love your content. Know the airsick feeling, although, haven't hit the bag yet. You should go to an aerobatic contest, they are a lot of fun, and the best seat in the house during the competition if you are out on the line. Keep the good stuff coming. Cheers
I was the King of Motion Sick until a boat Captain offered me a tip… an ear plug in ONE ear only… supposedly keeps pressure in the canal which somehow reduces the sensation in the vestibular system. Not sure why just one ear is important, but the difference for me was amazing… plus as others have mentioned, always keep eyes on the horizon and stay as cold as possible.
I’ve been able to experience some mild aerobatics too. I’m hoping to be able to do some more this year. I’m blessed to have absolutely no problem with motion sickness. Bring it on! Lol! I’m glad you got to do this flight. 😁
Great times! Sorry you got sick but it happens to all of us at times!
One of the best things I did as a pilot was an aerobatics rating. I did it before my instructor rating, here in Perth and it gives you a lot of confidence particularly on the rudder and coordinated usage of all 3 flight controls. As you advance, you do aileron roll, barrel roll, loop, stall turn and fully developed spin recovery one after the other in an exercise. Your stomach gets pretty used to it, although you can feel pretty sick at times but I was lucky I never threw up. Got to go in there ready to conquer and you get through it. It's all about your mental preparedness. Flying straight and level and cross wind landings after that is walk in the park. You will never be the same pilot again after that.
Awesome! I get sick easy too. Aerobatics in a Extra 300 is really cool, but I prefer smooth flying. I definitely takes time to condition one's self to endure a lot of aerobatics. Thanks Ryan.
Great video!
Was watching on a 52" tv screen, and you were getting ready to do a roll... I had a GollyWhopper land on my screen, I thought he was inside your cabin!!! 🤣
What a thrill of a lifetime! So glad that you got to do this. I can empathize with the air sickness. Thanks for sharing!🙏🙏
The only time I got queasy in a plane was in RV with a bubble canopy. It was a hot day and the pilot did some steep turns trying to look down at a friend's house. I didn't get sick, but I came close. Bubble canopies really magnify the heat, and that definitely doesn't help if you're feeling slightly off.
I rode along many times in my father-in-law's Skybolt doing aerobatics and the open cockpit made a huge difference. You're too busy being cold and getting blasted by wind and propwash to get sick.
I hope you get to do aerobatics sometime because it's an amazing feeling. Total disorientation at times. I don't know how pilots do it; I just saw sky and ground and then we were level again. Rinse and repeat.
I'm the same way Ryan, even too many stalls is enough to get me queezy. Good job!
Captain Ryan, that was surprising with all your hours. Super cool seeing "SLICK" F16 and weapons training school instructor. He looks young to me: anyways.
Happy Easter and may the Lord always lift your spirit.🐣🇭🇲
I feel you man. This also happened to me once due to heavy turbulence when I was a student pilot. I'm certainly not into aerobatics too🤢
I think your new call sign will be Yack. Slick and Yack. Great video!
If it's any consolation Sean, my brother in law who was on military pilots course with me and so had done a significant enough amount of aero hours, albeit not for years. He was physically sick the day I took him up for a moderate aerobatics session.
As an aeros instructor/demo pilot, I'm considerate with pax/people as the objective is to have them enjoy it rather than excercise my ego by showing off my skills, and so I regularly ask them during how they are going, explain what we're going to do and if if they're OK with it beforehand and during.. Do the simple stuff keeping the 'g' low & positive generally other than as required for a loop or S&L inverted.
As he had experience, I did some more advanced and combination manoeuvres, but nothing particularly body challenging like an inside or outside rolling circle or outside loop. He did pretty good for about 20 minutes after we reached commencment level and did tell me the moment he started to feel nauseous, when I leveled out and immediately headed back to the airfield S&L in a gentle descent. He didn't make it. Worse, his aim was way off and he missed the barf bag. o.O !!!
I don't ever get airsick pax or pilot, but I suspect for some it's more disorientating when paxing and not focused on actually hands on flying the manoeuvres.
Hehe I feel with you! Fun fact, I am actually an aerobatic pilot but never really got completely over motion sickness. I can handle it when piloting but as a passenger or during instruction it get's really tough...😮 It's trainable to a certain point though
Nice Flight Ryan. It takes practice for sure. You did well !!
We’ve all been there. When my instructor stacked up three stall-to-spins in a row I about blew it. One more would’ve been it for me.
When I sailed the Drake Passage to Antarctica our very experienced Dutch crew put out cut raw ginger slices to chew on for sea sickness. It relieved my queasiness instantly! You might take some along to try. I was amazed how well it worked!
You still da man!!
Military pilot retired. Tanker guy, but flew 4 F16 sorties. The guys were awesome, but I just couldn’t stand the maneuvering on one sortie, so I asked for a knock it off. I didn’t get sick, but was really close. Gsuit with full chest compression suit was awesome. I guess being out of the fighter environment for so long put me at a disadvantage. You never forget the basics and the requirement to say when.
I used to love watching the Red Bull air races - the best would pull 11G in a tight Immelmann.
I did my advanced maneuvering training in a T34 in Conway Texas with AirAces…an amazing experience over 2 days! Don’t be too hard on yourself Ryan….got a bit sick my 1st flight on day 1 and wore one of those seasick wristbands which got me through the remaining 1st day training. 2nd day no wristband and maneuvered the T34 with glee for the remaining lessons…
Sorry I missed you at e3 chalet…we were there the Tuesday and Wednesday…
Great video! Thank you for taking us along with you. Agree with the comments about you showing humility and honesty - and bravery. Even knowing you get air-sick, you were brave enough to go up in an Extra knowing there would be aerobatics. Not cutting out the parts when you were talking about not feeling well... I think that is rare these days. The parts where you felt ill would have been easy to edit out, but I really appreciate the fact that you left them in. I always enjoy watching your videos and this one may have been the best one yet. You are a great pilot and a great person. Hope to one day be able to shake your hand in person - maybe OSH. Thanks for all you do to promote aviation!
Hey, you get tolerance to G the more you practice, and also when you start it makes you quite tired.
Yeah I slept for 12 hours that night. I felt like a train hit me
That is a beautiful aircraft. You are lucky to get a treat like that. I use to fly a Zlin 242L and did aerobatics and taught them. I got sick for the first few times but I had the guts for it ha ha. You did great! Love the video.
Oh god Ryan, that was so cool! You both were great!
Too my surprise, I was prone to motion-sickness when I did my first aerobatics checkout in a Decathlon KCAB. I advanced to a Pitts S2 and it became worse. I was able to overcome it by repetitive practice and mental preperation. No more dry heaves for me.
Great video! I'm sure it reminds so many of us how we slowly developed motion sickness tolerance with each new maneuver added from very first time aloft. My peak sickness was later in life when I took an hour of aerobatics instruction in a CAP 10B at Mudry Aviation at Flagler airport when Daniel and Montaine were still running the operation. Also being an R/C pilot I just had to try every stunt I'd ever done with a model lol. And I had not flown full scale for at least a year. I didn't need the bag, but only barely and my stomach didn't settle down fully for almost 24 hours! I would not trade the experience for anything in my journey of flight. Thank you both for the realistic and vicarious 300L flight. 🥴
Heck yeah, love it
It ended GREAT - on the ground with two big smiles. I enjoyed the video!
Good to hear even the pros get nauseas. I took some classes and got so sick just doing a 60 degree bank. Trick is to always look up at the horizon to keep your bearings.
Cool ride! Thanks for taking us with you!
Don't think you could have found a more qualified instructor.
Glad to see you didn't over do it, but...
You could add another switch on your bar - "Hurl On; Hurl Off"
Great video and info on E3.
Very good! If you can, get a ride in an L-39 and try aerobactics in it. While it's not quite as responsive it's a bit easyer to control.
I get motion sick on Rollercoaster or boats in the ocean but I can drive a jet ski in rough seas and I'm fine.
you actually did great job up there ! Thanks for the nice video. It is very motivating .
I’ve got 4000+ hrs just in my private plane flying around and I still get a little queezy especially if I look down at ForeFlight too long and then I look up and it’s just almost instantly upchucking !
Wow. With the F16 pilot this will end WELL and with new self-discoveries :D watching the rest..
My first round in a pitt special, when I got back to ground I threw my guts up, and had a headache for the rest of the day. Over time it became a walk in the park.
"Ya done good Ryan". The first time I went up and did aerobatics with Lee Lauderback (Stallion 51) in his P-51 - Lil Witch, after about 3/4 hour, and after stalls, loops and aileron and barrel rolls, I used the bag too. It's definitely a different experience than hum-drum fly it straight with gentle bank angles. It was the experience of a lifetime though and one I will never forget. I was used to flying RC model competitive aerobatics, but sitting in that warbird was a different, and exciting experience that had been on my bucket list for a long time. Landing that P-51 was even better.
Ah ha, the old ‘liquid laugh’
Great video. You are human after all your vids. Slick was great. Greetings from the UK.
Awesome experience! Thanks for sharing.🛩🛩🛩
I think you were already sick, I have seen many videos of you in different circumstances and your face is not the same as today, saludos desde Chihuahua México Ryan!
I flew the extra 300 a few months ago. Such a responsive intense airplane especially coming from something like a kitfox or 172. I had to lay down for a little bit and drink a lot of water after the flight but would do it again in a heartbeat.
You almost performed a perfect Immelmann by accident on your loop. That Florida thermal perma-bounce is enough to make me queasy while straight and level. I feel you.
I feel for you Ryan, what a pity that you suffer like that. I had an aerobatic session for my 60th birthday treat, fortunately I didn't get too affected until the end of the session. It was strange to feel so queasy on my drive home, but managed to hold on to the contents of my stomach!!
Great video Ryan. Sorry you got sick. Appreciate you took us on the ride.
Interesting. Your normal videos scare the s**t out of me, but I have over 3000 hours of which 2000 are aerobatics and this sort of flying is the sort of thing we do in our sleep. Just shows how varied our sport is.
It´s important to know our limits, especialty in aviation. One can fly a plane but not mean can do acrobatics at first. I think youre 100% capable to be an aerobatic pilot, but with propperly hours of training. You left your confort zone, Be proud 👍
Ryan. I loved the video. Had a ride in a Extra 300 (M I think). The ride was 40 minutes, provided by a friend of mine at the airfield. I loved that the pilot set the power and left it alone for the flight. Was at Rockledge Airport, Fl (21FA). How about those plus or minus 10 G's! Composite construction.
My favorite maneuver, on that flight, was the vertical climb while doing a 4 point roll, then running out of energy, and coming down in an inverted flat spin. :-) Loved it. Did pull some G's - believe it was 6.0 on an analogue accelerometer (he took a pix of the gauge.) I never lost consciousness. Lucky I guess. I had been flying since 1980, but not any acro. Oh, I had no controls in the front cockpit. The pilot told me: "Don't touch those little Red knobs." :-)
Nice seeing you again, Ryan. God bless you and your family - Happy Easter.
Very interesting wondered too if I would be able for the motions of flight, was in a Robinson R44 to start off was lovely and then the pilot put the nose down, was like dear God, but amazing and guess can get used to it, fixed wing has felt much better and hopefully should manage ok, I think this video will give enthusiasts great encouragement on this subject and never thought a guy so experienced would find it difficult, even the F-16 pilot has his moments, important video and super encouraging, thank you.
You did way better than me on my first Extra300 ride.
Three half speed rolls and I was done for the day. I didn’t hurl but had we continued as you did it was definitely going to happen.
Greasy breakfast and lunch beforehand didn’t help a bit nor the hot weather and very uncomfortable front seat.
Still I never turn down an offer to ride along and have even done a cross country in It.
Happy Flying!
A sick video in every sense of the word. Ace !
Ryan, if you are interested in doing more flying like this I would greatly suggest you get a product called a reliefband. The band has helped my wife immensely with flying and being on ships. I think it could greatly help you. They are a bit pricey but 100% worth it.
To get a good motion-sickness experience (besides the Barany Chair), try sitting in the back of an aluminum tube with OUT windows during a refuelling operation in convective activity. (Yes, there is a reason for carrying lunch boxes, helmet bags, and 55 gallon trash cans in back)
Awesome video. Thanks ever so much for sharing. I have a trivial level of rw flying experience in comparison but if ever I was going to feel queasy, it was in an aircraft with a bubble canopy.
I’m no expert but your aeros looked good for a first go. Really hope you give this a go again and we can ride shotgun.
My first aerobatic ride was just like that, Keep at it 15 min flight then 20 min then 30 you will build up a tolerance
I got sick from turbulence over the AZ mtns in a 172. I would 100% vom doing aerobatics.
Hey don’t beat yourself up. You did great. You did the flying. Several rolls and a loop!
This is just so great. Made me smile ear to ear.😁 Well taken in stride. Stay classy Captain. Thanks for posting.
Cheers.
This was a great video man, everyone is different. A few weeks ago I had the pleasure of going Gliding (with an instructor) for the first time in 22 years! One thing I was wondering was how will I go with doing Aerobatics too as it had been so long. Turns out I wasn't affected at all & loved every second doing Wing overs & spins etc. your PIC was awesome, thanks for sharing!