I have long understood that most, likely all, retail seed companies do not produce much of their own products, and that's OK with me; they search them out and make them available to me. I'd love to see a video about the operations of those large seed companies that actually produce the common vegetable seeds that produce our food. I'd especially love to see how the open-pollenated seeds are produced in volume. I've had seed retailers take my money and send me nothing at all, not responding at all to calls, letters, emails, and yet are still selling seeds many years later. I've had seed retailers whose seeds were all the wrong varieties, where I ordered several packages and not a single seed was what it was advertised to be; being the same vegetable but not the same variety. So I would really like to understand how you get your seeds, how you sort, package, and store them, etc. How about a detailed video on that? I'm not interested in using the information to compete; I'm 70 years old and have no intention to go out of retirement; I'd just like to understand how and why it works, when it works, and how and why it fails, when it doesn't work.
I can honestly say everything I’ve purchased from Hoss has been the very best quality , seeds as well as supplies and hand tools . Along with quality products you have wonderful customer service . I admire your dedication to quality .
I can't begin to say how much I appreciate this video. I'm 70 and have been a large scale home gardener since I was young with my Dad in the fifties. Your channel has enlightened me the past 2 years beyond my imagination. This seed podcast while you're under the weather gets 10 stars. I've been buying crappy seeds for years and had a wake up call here. Thanks Hoss!!
Same here! In rural central Alabama where I grew up and live now, we had some very good local garden seed stores for years, could always count on 'em for quality seed. Slowly, those local family seed stores went by the wayside. Then the "local" suburban feed and seed stores were okay but the seed quality fell way off. I've bought bags full of seeds from the suburban seed/feed places and germination and crop production was crappy to the point of just giving up for a summer or two and visiting the local farmer's market for BE peas, snap beans, corn, etc., to shell and husk, just to put something in the freezer over the winter. Hoss is helping me rekindle my interest in digging in the dirt more.
I received this lesson in big fasion last year. I started with a cut rate seed company, germination was trashy and plants had major problems to the point i just trashed them. Then late in year started with hoss seeds and finally had food on the table.
Enjoy your videos and decided to buy our seeds from Hoss this year for our family garden. Zone 7b and started our broccoli and lettuce plants in trays. Out of 174 cups only 2 did not germinate. Best seeds we have purchased!
I buy from Hoss all of my seeds used to buy from the hardware store from one in Mississippi didn’t have very many varieties found y’all and won’t ever go back love y’all’s great price great value and great varieties!
As a home gardener, I appreciate the quality and value of Hoss seeds and products. I have learned so much about seeds since I found Hoss and make much better choices and have more success. Just buying from a retailer with seeds acclimated more for my area is one of those game changers. Thanks Hoss!
Excellent discussion and content. As a backyard gardner in Tallahassee, I am a big fan of Sakata, especially tomatoes and broccoli ( Red Snapper, Roadster, Green Magic, and Imperial). We are currently enjoying my best crop of broccoli. Next year, I will plant some Sakata cabbage varieties. I have learned to look for varieties that were developed by Sakata and Bejo. Regarding seed purchases, I would say I purchase 95% of my seeds from Hoss, Johnny's, and High Mow. All are excellent companies with great customer service. Relative to seed price, sure it is hard to pay $10 for a few seeds, but it pays in the long run to pay more for quality and improved varieties. I really enjoy your videos, especially the discussion on what varieties performed best in your garden. Take care and stay warm...
Hello from Blackshear and thank you Greg for sharing your thoughts. It's a struggle out there trying to wade through the pros and cons of every product we use so it's great to see a small company like yours thriving. Take care and hope you all have a blessed week ahead my friend.
Being retired frpom horticulture , I have tried seeds from EVERY company out there & I'm here to tell you HOSS by far surpasses all of them. The customer service beats bthem all hands down ! Germination rates are fabulous. North Florida loves y'all !
Thank you for being up front and sharing the best seed companies and your thoughts on them. I know I'm not in your neck of the woods but do hope to get a few more seeds that will do good in my area. I know the cucumbers that have both male and female I purchased from you are doing exceptionally well growing inside right now.
About to start dealing with High Mowing Seeds but been dealing with Johnny Seeds for years and everything you said about them is the absolute truth! Among the best seed companies out there! Hoss Tools and Johnny’s are my go to for seeds and supplies. Thank you for this great video on seed companies, been knowing about a lot them for years and I really appreciate the research and hard work they put in developing varieties of seeds for us in the South and for you’ll at Hoss for dealing with them.
Great video and great information. As a home gardener, I take seed very seriously because this is what I'm feeding my family throughout the year. Last year, we did an experiment and I ordered seed from alot of places and I kept up with what seed did well, and the places I had the best plant's, that's who retained our business. I had one retailer I ordered from , various seeds , various season's , not a single seed from them germinated. When I recommend a place to buy seed , those seeds have proven to me to be good seed and btw Hoss is on that list. I agree the real value of seed isn't the price , it's how well that seed does .
Hoss Seeds are number 1 on my list! Always have great success with them in my backyard garden. Perfect for southeastern NC! I love the Hoss pins that come with my orders. Pin them on my garden apron. 😊
I love Hoss seeds !!! I will never buy from anyone else . everything I plant comes up and does very well for me . I even have a winter garden this year and everything I got from ya'll have came up and doing very well so impressed. Thanks
I discovered that my new yard in Louisiana has the worst soil ever seen...even worse than parishes near the coast. You just don`t expect this in this region, in a low area between hills, that was once a flood plain before drainage was fixed with a proper bridge. So I was shocked last spring. Topsoil was removed down to hard red dirt. Today I discovered amazing natural compost that`s easy to get nearby and have been filling my garden wagon all day and dumping piles between my mustard greens and pitiful turnips. I also found white sand to mix in under leaves in a wash. I made a test spot to begin planting various seeds tomorrow to see how they react. This is exciting for me. I was so discouraged! I don`t have the money to fix it any other way. I`ve been adding grass clippings for months and chopped leaves but now I`ve found a quick solution! If I want fresh produce my only option is to grow it. I can`t legally drive on my medications and partial disabilities and this seems like a miracle right now!
An oil company had been in here drilling a well 70-80 years ago from the size of the trees that have regrown and burying pipelines and some landscape scars they left in the woods became traps for leaves. I also found a small square pit just off my driveway full of leaf mold. It`s a perfect compost pit to rake leaves into.@@UncoverTruth
I must say I have purchased from another company years ago whom sold seeds for 1.00. Planted my Zucchini and ended up with pumpkins. I am still waiting for them to get back to me. The time investment and loss was far more than 1.00. So glad that I found your company, even though I am in the north east. I enjoy supporting good family business when I am able. I always check Hoss first before I look anywhere else. Keep up the great work!
All the seeds I bought from HOSS last season were my best performers, so I placed another order this season too. Found my seeds in the mailbox yesterday even quicker than expected! Thanks for all you’re doing and the content you’re putting out for the community❤
This YT channel has fast become my #1 gardening channel! Why? Because Hoss ain't just some good ol' boy southerner that knows how to grow stuff, but because he knows the science that makes things grow we like to eat. And knows how to 'splain it in a way that helps all the rest of us fill the freezers and the canning jars.
I have the double wheel row plow and I think every attachments Love everything about my plow. First time buying the seeds this year, if it is as good as the plow then I will have a beautiful garden.
Thanks. Boss does have HIGH QUALITY seeds. A little more pricey. BUT,... delivery is prompt, the seed packs come with plastic ID markers in them, have colored or treated seeds. My Max Pac pickles out performed more than others I had in. Plus Mr. Hoss is a gentleman and a gardening scholar. Please take note of the advice this man gives. 👨🌾
I absolutely do not regret any Dollar I have had to spend with your company. Nothing I have bought seed, tool, or supply has let me down in fact Godzilla Broccoli and twister Cauliflower 100% germ this year.
God bless you, Greg & Sheila Everything I've bought from your company has always grew for me , even my onions are growing wonderful and I'm about to order more Ammonia sulfate & Dr bubbles fertilizers . After this video . Thank you for always putting out the best informative content . Mrs josette Tharp Texas 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I watched you interview someone from Sakata almost 3 years ago. One tomato he talked about was the Camaro. It sounded good so I hunted for the seed. Not easy to find but I did succeed. Been growing them every year. It is hot and very dry here all summer and they are fantastic. I’m curious why you don’t carry those seeds. Great video and informative.
Great information! Thank you! I've ordered from many different seed retailers, and I can testify to the germination and hardiness to the seeds Hoss sells. The plants produced have much more vigor as well. I'll be planting most of my last order from y'all tomorrow.
Your doing a great job and I really appreciate this video along with your other's. I ordered from you for the first time this year. I dont mind paying more for quality seed and will continue to use Hoss in the future. I also buy seed from Johnny's and several others. Keep up the good work and thank you.
Can confirm, I never heard of tomato wilt virus here in Ontario Zone 5. Late blight is a PITA though and can hit mid-season. This year I had to cull some plants with poor resistance in late August because they were overtaken by late blight. The resistant ones were able to keep producing for an extra two month (late July to late October rather than late July to late August). Late blight didn't used to be a problem here, but now that it's got a foothold, it may be a re-occurring problem because we can get a lot of gloomy weather in late summer/early fall.
@@FloraM44 July had a lot of rain, but it was mostly just a few heavy downpours. August however was gloomy and wet and cool all month, so it was pretty bad. The more late blight resistant plants were able to recover with the drier September-October weather though. 2021 (the first year I started gardening) I got late blight in mid September and it wiped out my plants by early October. 2022 was the only year without late blight. Thanks to a mild fall, my tomatoes managed to survive until mid November...
@@Lochness19 Yeah and June was so cool, everything took a while to get established, only to get a little high heat, then rain and cool. It was not a great year for tomatoes. I just plant a ton every year so hopefully no matter the weather I'll get some 😂
@@FloraM44 I still got 120 lbs from 3 plants of Mountain Merit hybrid. Midnight Snack managed to get through the late blight and survive until late October too. But sungold proved to have poor resistance and had to be culled. Next year I think I'll try coyote/currant/pimp tomatoes as part of the mix since they're a wild type of tomato that's supposed to be more resistant.
@@Lochness19 That's amazing production!! I've never tried Mountain Merit but have heard good things about it. I don't remember if it's a beefsteak variety? I love huge sweet meaty varieties. Abe Lincoln is my favourite, but also love Cherokee Purple, Kellogg's Breakfast, Great White, Delicious, and Giant Belgium. Many others are good, but those are my faves. The whole growing tomatoes thing started out with me not even really loving them that much, but seeing a few seed packets saying those varieties were lower in acid. Having bad reflux, I decided to try. The next year I grew 20 varieties. Then 50. Last year 66. It's been so much fun trying them and trying to get my setup right. Now I want to focus on getting good production, figuring out fertilizer schedules and what types to get the most out of my plants.
I bought seeds from Hoss last year and was very satisfied so I ordered more seeds from Hoss a few days ago. I’m a repeat customer, which is the best endorsement there is.
I get the large packs of bean seeds from HOSS and the Bronco is a keeper! You talk about cheap seeds and dollar tree comes to mind, you may only get a few plants from a whole packet.. I pay a premium for Mountain Fresh tomatoes but the disease resistance is amazing and the production is crazy.
I buy all my seeds for big HOSS! Quality is key and Hoss is right. They don't skimp in quality. Additionally, service from Hoss is top notch. Keep making videos. We live you all
We grow commercially, and your seeds are the best. Our customers pre-order their vegetables a year in advance, so we have to make sure we have a seed to count on. Thank you!
I live in Georgia so will try some of your seeds if they might do better in this area. I like the idea of taking heirloom seeds and improving upon them, so that sounds like a win/win! I have bought one or two packs from Johnny's seeds and they have done well. Also, I've bought alot from MI Gardener who does sell $2.00 packs but works with small farms to produce his seeds and most all of his varieties that I've planted have done well, but I know not all of them have the advanced disease-resistance you're talking about, as most are the original version, so would definitely like to do a comparison. Last summer I bought a Better Boy tomato plant from Tractor Supply and the first few tomatoes were great but after that the plant was struggling with the humidity and pests and fruit production suffered and leaves started to get spot. Then after the heat and humidity went down fruit started again but I ended up with about 6 green stunted tomatoes that stayed golf ball size or maybe slightly bigger. I will definitely look into your improved Better Boy seeds for next time.
Can't lie, I only buy from 3 companies. 1. Hoss 2. Johnny's 3. Asian Garden to table for all of my asian vegetables. The rest imo are too hit and miss. Germ rates aren't really what many of these places claim. I get cheaper etc but when you add in your time, sweat, frustration, disappointment, being het up and clucking at the Mister at the supper table etc that too me is the cost value alone. I know many people on youtube talk up Baker Creek/Rare seeds but I'm not afraid to share my thoughts that their seeds are more miss than hit from past experience. Anyways thanks for the great info paw paw Hoss! 🙏
I buy different seeds from different companies. I got one that does tobacco, another that do hybrids, and sometimes I just grab the ones in the supermarket. I ain't got no big operation, and I can get by with low germination cause I only do it for personal use. I tend to gravitate towards the better companies though.
Greg Sunday we had 104F in suburban Sydney Australia, thankfully cooler today😊 Seed companies are amazing behind the scenes, they have lots of testing and research and development in the industry with checking viability of seeds and breeding new breeds or adjusting their F Hybrids improving current seeds to adjust for deceases and other elements to improve genetics. Most seeds are affordable with plenty of seeds, yes some are more expensive or have less seeds in it because of development of seeds through breeding out disease’s and improve yields to enjoy a better crop Hope the seed company will allow you film your visit to seed company to share with Subscribers, we would love it❤
There is a difference between seed companies that I buy to try fun varieties for less cost (there is value there, sure)…and seed companies that I TRUST for quality plants and high germination rates…Hoss has certainly earned my trust!
I bought a pkt. of Roselle Hibiscus. There are a few questions that need to be asked. Zone 8, formerly 7b Do you plant these in seed trays or in ground? If they are kin to okra, would you plant in ground at same time? They like hot, hot, hot weather? What about water, a lot or not? Fertilizer? When and how often? Ok…if I get them up and growing, and they bloom ,then what? What am I looking for, when do I pick it . Can I dehydrate it or do I only get to use it fresh? I know there are a lot of questions but I want to know how YALL grow and harvest this plant.
Most of this information is in our Roselle growing guide, link below. growhoss.com/blogs/growing-guides/roselle?_pos=1&_psq=%20roselle&_ss=e&_v=1.0 At the bottom of the growing guide are videos on how to harvest, cook and preserve it.
Sakata -- Is this an American company ? Seminis - another Monsanto acquisition. Bejo seed -- Is this Netherland company an American Company? Ray Delbury Sussex County NJ USA
My Hoss seeds has never failed to germinate, matter of fact I just planted some leftover last year Hoss seeds and all are growing on. 100% for the pack. Start with quality like Hoss seeds and you will have a greener thumb. Helps you shine.
Amen. NC grower here too and have nothing bad to say about their products, service and prices tbh. You get what you pay for. I rather pay a bit more for someone else's good practices and experience.
That’s the truth! Honestly, I’ve ordered seeds for the first time from Hoss a few weeks ago. I didn’t really know you guys existed. We’ve ordered seeds from the major companies for our farm in the past, I also ordered from them along with Hoss
I wasn’t finished my comment lol! Bottom line, I’ve over lots of seeds over the years for our farm and I’m very impressed with you guys! You can literally see the attention and care you guys put in to packing your seeds for shipping! The best I’ve ever received from a seed company. I’m excited and can’t wait to see our garden plots in a few months!! ❤❤
I’m a long time Hoss customer, and when it comes to seeds; variety, germination rate, value are what’s important to me. Germination rate should be done in an incubator at the company lab. Is Hoss running germination rates or relying on suppliers data? That being said, I’ve got four different short day onion varieties going from Hoss seeds; for the first time. I only wish more folks would take up home gardening. 😂
I typed a longer, more detailed request for this and UA-cam just wiped it out. So let me just give the short version: Please, please, please, consider offering seed packets in between the 50 count packet and the 1000 count packet. A 250 seed packet at a price like $5 or $6 would be great, and maybe a 500 count packet for perhaps $7.99. The jump from 50 seeds to a thousand just doesn't meet most people's home gardening needs.
Howdy how ya'll? Well, I went and cut an order with you just now. Just picked up most of my seeds. I'll say that you probably don't have the very best price nor the worst. About in the middle for this era. Listen. I been gardening my 60x80 poke man and boy since 1979 and I tried just about every method and every variety of what there was. I know what works and what doesn't. Finally, mostly. Even so I ordered a coupla new varieties for this year's experiment. We'll see. HOSS popped up on my feed this evening. Never heard of you guys. So happens it's time to get busy... to get some of the seeds under the dirt to make plants for this spring. In the past, one time not long ago, I ordered some really dirt cheap lettuce seeds from Ebay and boy, you wouldn't believe the super crop of rye grass that came up! Learned my lesson there. No mas. Uh uh. The reason I ordered from you is that I have been unsatisfied with my usual top line big name companies. I don't owe them any loyalty. A couple of years my long row of Better Boy tomatoes turned out to be some Better Boys and some other unidentified varieties.And last year my bell pepper plants from a big name company....well, I planted an even dozen. A half dozen were actually bell pepper plants. The rest were split between sweet peppers and some little rounded pepper to this day I don't know what it was. So, in short I have come to expect treachery from my seed guys. Will you be the ones to stop the madness? Looking forward to getting what I ordered, and some top notch seeds in the process. Your bestest fan way up in Alabam, Norm
What your saying is true about quality ...but not too many people can afford the pricy stuff right now in this economy so we take chances with the cheaper seeds.
It is crazy the difference between quality seed and cheap seed.I choose quality as I have to deal with those plants the whole crop cycle and every day matters.
👋🏻 Waves from Hanover County. I buy from Hoss, Johnny's, and Southern Exposure for my market garden business. All three provide excellent seed but Hoss stands at the top of my list for customer service.
Does anyone know of a good book with colored pictures that can help me tell the difference in diseases? I live in the northern panhandle of WV, and that TSWV just might be what damages then wipes out my nightshades starting around the end of July through August. I've been treating it like blight.
I always say, "You get what you pay for!" I've just ordered my Hoss seeds. I tried to narrow down to only 3 tomato varieties, but it was difficult. 😂 I guess 6 is not too bad. 😂😂 I can't wait to try them aĺl.
I hope you at Hoss take this as civil. I contacted your company year before last and last year about purchasing seeds. The response was not good. It seemed to me to be a canned response and not very positive. I ended up purchasing all my needs from Baker Creek or MI garden. I did a huge garden and many of my saved seeds needed replacing. I am in Oklahoma so I feel like I’m part of the south. But after receiving the “not so friendly “ replies from your company I was afraid that maybe the product was not the best for me. Happy that you have so many happy customers just not a fit for this old Okie. By the way I did produce a Huge garden of which I shared with many friends and family last year and already got this year already planned.
I planted 2 trays of 72 cells with my Hoss seeds and only one cell did not germinate……I think I missed putting seed in the cell…..💗💗💗Hoss seeds!!💗💗🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅💗
You have a lot to be proud of, you sell very good quality seeds, you have great employees and I can tell you do, by your great customer service. I have never been unhappy with any of my orders. My only complaint is that your product line ignores growers in Central and South Florida. We are very limited as to what we can grow in our hot rainy months and I would prefer to buy those seeds from you, rather than companies in Missouri or Virginia or New England. I realize we a niche market, but we are a fairly large niche. That is my only complaint, the part I want to emphasize is you own a great company and have hired some great people.
YES! Finally someone had the sense to point that out! Seminis (or Monsanto/bayer) stands in opposition of the very principles that organic gardeners stand for. Thank you for pointing that out👍
Germination rate is one big reason. If you save seeds from garden crops one year after the last, the germination rate can fall off, at least that is what I remember from growing up in the family farm garden plot, then trying it myself and not being too successful with the production year over year.
@@hazel555 for one you have to dedicate the space to letting the crop go all the way to seed rather than harvesting and drop the next crop in. Also I saved bean seeds twice and they were contaminated with bugs both times.
@GNorsworthy depending on the crop it doesn't take many plants for enough seed to replant, e.g., if I have planted, say, 50 green bean seeds from a packet and 45 of them grow to maturity, I would only need one of those plants to recoup my 50 seeds and likely get many more than that, leaving 44 plants to provide me with a glut of greenbeans fir eating fresh or canning. Same with my heritage sweet corn: I planted 10 rows of 30 plants, that's 300 seeds. I get 2 ears of corn per mature plant and each ear contains approximately 10 rows of 20 or so seeds, so it only takes 2 full ears to replace the 300 seeds. Further, if bugs destroyed your saved seed, you need to be more careful to choose clean seed and careful how you store it. I have never had a problem with that.
Greg I usta buy Park whoppers tomatoe seeds for 35 years but they aren't owned by the Parks family. It's doesn't Crack but they have changed it it's not the producer it used to be and a good indeterminate tomato here in South central Oklahoma. Can you recommend and good none Crack producing indeterminate mators you sell please.
If Hoss sells what I want to grow, that's about the end of my search. If Hoss doesn't sell it, there are just a few others that I'll buy seeds from. I've managed to goof up plants from Hoss seeds, and I've found a couple of varieties that I just didn't care for, but I've never bought any seeds from Hoss that didn't perform at, or well above, the label germination rate.
The seed sources are very important. Report on how the seed sources are growing their product. Seed genetics will self-select for local growing conditions so If a vendor is pouring on the fertilizer and insecticides where they package the healthiest plants then those seeds will need heavy chemicals to thrive too. Planting Florida seeds in Michigan may do poorly because of cooler temperatures and clay not sandy soils. However if they are growing with minimal inputs and evolved their plants for hardiness at extremes then they can be better for most gardeners who will have wildly varied growing techniques and conditions.
I have long understood that most, likely all, retail seed companies do not produce much of their own products, and that's OK with me; they search them out and make them available to me. I'd love to see a video about the operations of those large seed companies that actually produce the common vegetable seeds that produce our food. I'd especially love to see how the open-pollenated seeds are produced in volume.
I've had seed retailers take my money and send me nothing at all, not responding at all to calls, letters, emails, and yet are still selling seeds many years later. I've had seed retailers whose seeds were all the wrong varieties, where I ordered several packages and not a single seed was what it was advertised to be; being the same vegetable but not the same variety.
So I would really like to understand how you get your seeds, how you sort, package, and store them, etc. How about a detailed video on that? I'm not interested in using the information to compete; I'm 70 years old and have no intention to go out of retirement; I'd just like to understand how and why it works, when it works, and how and why it fails, when it doesn't work.
That's a great idea for a video!
Thanks for this video. I have all these catalogs from UA-cam not on your level this is much appreciated.
I can honestly say everything I’ve purchased from Hoss has been the very best quality , seeds as well as supplies and hand tools . Along with quality products you have wonderful customer service . I admire your dedication to quality .
Thanks for sharing
I can't begin to say how much I appreciate this video. I'm 70 and have been a large scale home gardener since I was young with my Dad in the fifties. Your channel has enlightened me the past 2 years beyond my imagination. This seed podcast while you're under the weather gets 10 stars. I've been buying crappy seeds for years and had a wake up call here. Thanks Hoss!!
Glad it was helpful!
Same here! In rural central Alabama where I grew up and live now, we had some very good local garden seed stores for years, could always count on 'em for quality seed. Slowly, those local family seed stores went by the wayside. Then the "local" suburban feed and seed stores were okay but the seed quality fell way off. I've bought bags full of seeds from the suburban seed/feed places and germination and crop production was crappy to the point of just giving up for a summer or two and visiting the local farmer's market for BE peas, snap beans, corn, etc., to shell and husk, just to put something in the freezer over the winter. Hoss is helping me rekindle my interest in digging in the dirt more.
I received this lesson in big fasion last year. I started with a cut rate seed company, germination was trashy and plants had major problems to the point i just trashed them. Then late in year started with hoss seeds and finally had food on the table.
Great to hear. Thanks for your support.
Enjoy your videos and decided to buy our seeds from Hoss this year for our family garden. Zone 7b and started our broccoli and lettuce plants in trays. Out of 174 cups only 2 did not germinate. Best seeds we have purchased!
Wonderful!
I buy from Hoss all of my seeds used to buy from the hardware store from one in Mississippi didn’t have very many varieties found y’all and won’t ever go back love y’all’s great price great value and great varieties!
Thanks for sharing!
Your service , seeds and gardening advice are the very best!!
So nice of you
As a home gardener, I appreciate the quality and value of Hoss seeds and products. I have learned so much about seeds since I found Hoss and make much better choices and have more success. Just buying from a retailer with seeds acclimated more for my area is one of those game changers. Thanks Hoss!
Excellent discussion and content. As a backyard gardner in Tallahassee, I am a big fan of Sakata, especially tomatoes and broccoli ( Red Snapper, Roadster, Green Magic, and Imperial). We are currently enjoying my best crop of broccoli. Next year, I will plant some Sakata cabbage varieties. I have learned to look for varieties that were developed by Sakata and Bejo. Regarding seed purchases, I would say I purchase 95% of my seeds from Hoss, Johnny's, and High Mow. All are excellent companies with great customer service. Relative to seed price, sure it is hard to pay $10 for a few seeds, but it pays in the long run to pay more for quality and improved varieties. I really enjoy your videos, especially the discussion on what varieties performed best in your garden. Take care and stay warm...
I started buying seeds from Hoss a few years ago. I've never been disappointed. I'll be ordering again this year.
Hello from Blackshear and thank you Greg for sharing your thoughts. It's a struggle out there trying to wade through the pros and cons of every product we use so it's great to see a small company like yours thriving. Take care and hope you all have a blessed week ahead my friend.
Well said!
Being retired frpom horticulture , I have tried seeds from EVERY company out there & I'm here to tell you HOSS by far surpasses all of them. The customer service beats bthem all hands down ! Germination rates are fabulous. North Florida loves y'all !
Thanks Kim
Sure would be nice to find a dedicated zone 6 garden channel… but I do enjoy hoss videos. Thanks for your contribution to my success.
You are welcome!
Thank you for being up front and sharing the best seed companies and your thoughts on them.
I know I'm not in your neck of the woods but do hope to get a few more seeds that will do good in my
area. I know the cucumbers that have both male and female I purchased from you are doing exceptionally well growing inside right now.
About to start dealing with High Mowing Seeds but been dealing with Johnny Seeds for years and everything you said about them is the absolute truth! Among the best seed companies out there! Hoss Tools and Johnny’s are my go to for seeds and supplies. Thank you for this great video on seed companies, been knowing about a lot them for years and I really appreciate the research and hard work they put in developing varieties of seeds for us in the South and for you’ll at Hoss for dealing with them.
Great video and great information.
As a home gardener, I take seed very seriously because this is what I'm feeding my family throughout the year.
Last year, we did an experiment and I ordered seed from alot of places and I kept up with what seed did well, and the places I had the best plant's, that's who retained our business. I had one retailer I ordered from , various seeds , various season's , not a single seed from them germinated.
When I recommend a place to buy seed , those seeds have proven to me to be good seed and btw Hoss is on that list.
I agree the real value of seed isn't the price , it's how well that seed does .
Hoss Seeds are number 1 on my list! Always have great success with them in my backyard garden. Perfect for southeastern NC! I love the Hoss pins that come with my orders. Pin them on my garden apron. 😊
Sounds great!
Thank you Hoss for providing only the very best in seeds for your customers, you are #1 in my book!
Keep up the great work!
Our pleasure!
I love Hoss seeds !!! I will never buy from anyone else . everything I plant comes up and does very well for me . I even have a winter garden this year and everything I got from ya'll have came up and doing very well so impressed. Thanks
Thanks for sharing!
I discovered that my new yard in Louisiana has the worst soil ever seen...even worse than parishes near the coast. You just don`t expect this in this region, in a low area between hills, that was once a flood plain before drainage was fixed with a proper bridge. So I was shocked last spring. Topsoil was removed down to hard red dirt. Today I discovered amazing natural compost that`s easy to get nearby and have been filling my garden wagon all day and dumping piles between my mustard greens and pitiful turnips. I also found white sand to mix in under leaves in a wash. I made a test spot to begin planting various seeds tomorrow to see how they react. This is exciting for me. I was so discouraged! I don`t have the money to fix it any other way. I`ve been adding grass clippings for months and chopped leaves but now I`ve found a quick solution! If I want fresh produce my only option is to grow it. I can`t legally drive on my medications and partial disabilities and this seems like a miracle right now!
Let us know how it works for you. Curious. Big gardener up here in Tennessee.
An oil company had been in here drilling a well 70-80 years ago from the size of the trees that have regrown and burying pipelines and some landscape scars they left in the woods became traps for leaves. I also found a small square pit just off my driveway full of leaf mold. It`s a perfect compost pit to rake leaves into.@@UncoverTruth
I’ve been so happy with your seeds. Ordered from y’all again this year.
Awesome! Thank you!
I must say I have purchased from another company years ago whom sold seeds for 1.00. Planted my Zucchini and ended up with pumpkins. I am still waiting for them to get back to me. The time investment and loss was far more than 1.00. So glad that I found your company, even though I am in the north east. I enjoy supporting good family business when I am able. I always check Hoss first before I look anywhere else. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for sharing
All the seeds I bought from HOSS last season were my best performers, so I placed another order this season too. Found my seeds in the mailbox yesterday even quicker than expected! Thanks for all you’re doing and the content you’re putting out for the community❤
Thanks for sharing!
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This YT channel has fast become my #1 gardening channel! Why? Because Hoss ain't just some good ol' boy southerner that knows how to grow stuff, but because he knows the science that makes things grow we like to eat. And knows how to 'splain it in a way that helps all the rest of us fill the freezers and the canning jars.
Well, Thank You @DrJohn493 means alot to us! Appreciate your support!
I have switched to Hoss seeds after not having good germination from other companies. Thank you for all of your suggestions and great products!!❤
You are so welcome!
I have the double wheel row plow and I think every attachments Love everything about my plow. First time buying the seeds this year, if it is as good as the plow then I will have a beautiful garden.
Thanks Tim
Hope you feel better soon! I have listened to 2 you tubers that actually said that your seeds are the best!
Wow, thank you!
Thanks. Boss does have HIGH QUALITY seeds. A little more pricey. BUT,... delivery is prompt, the seed packs come with plastic ID markers in them, have colored or treated seeds. My Max Pac pickles out performed more than others I had in. Plus Mr. Hoss is a gentleman and a gardening scholar. Please take note of the advice this man gives. 👨🌾
I absolutely do not regret any Dollar I have had to spend with your company. Nothing I have bought seed, tool, or supply has let me down in fact Godzilla Broccoli and twister Cauliflower 100% germ this year.
Your seeds have the best germination rates of any I've ever grown and I love getting the mylar seed packets when you have those.
Thank you!! We appreciate your support!
God bless you, Greg & Sheila
Everything I've bought from your company has always grew for me , even my onions are growing wonderful and I'm about to order more
Ammonia sulfate & Dr bubbles fertilizers .
After this video .
Thank you for always putting out the best informative content .
Mrs josette Tharp
Texas 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Our pleasure!
@gardeningwithhoss I did call & place my order
Thank you , Greg & Mrs.Sheila 👍👍👍👍God bless you both & all your loved ones 🙏🙏🙏
Mrs josette
Texas 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Dint know how I missed this one but sure am glad I found it.
One of things I’ve ran into with cheap seeds is sometimes they don’t turn out to be what their supposed to be. 1:20pm
I watched you interview someone from Sakata almost 3 years ago. One tomato he talked about was the Camaro. It sounded good so I hunted for the seed. Not easy to find but I did succeed. Been growing them every year. It is hot and very dry here all summer and they are fantastic. I’m curious why you don’t carry those seeds. Great video and informative.
Great information! Thank you! I've ordered from many different seed retailers, and I can testify to the germination and hardiness to the seeds Hoss sells. The plants produced have much more vigor as well. I'll be planting most of my last order from y'all tomorrow.
Your doing a great job and I really appreciate this video along with your other's. I ordered from you for the first time this year. I dont mind paying more for quality seed and will continue to use Hoss in the future. I also buy seed from Johnny's and several others. Keep up the good work and thank you.
Awesome! Thank you!
Can confirm, I never heard of tomato wilt virus here in Ontario Zone 5. Late blight is a PITA though and can hit mid-season. This year I had to cull some plants with poor resistance in late August because they were overtaken by late blight. The resistant ones were able to keep producing for an extra two month (late July to late October rather than late July to late August). Late blight didn't used to be a problem here, but now that it's got a foothold, it may be a re-occurring problem because we can get a lot of gloomy weather in late summer/early fall.
Same experience, also in Ontario. Last year was so wet, I'm sure that didn't help.
@@FloraM44 July had a lot of rain, but it was mostly just a few heavy downpours. August however was gloomy and wet and cool all month, so it was pretty bad. The more late blight resistant plants were able to recover with the drier September-October weather though.
2021 (the first year I started gardening) I got late blight in mid September and it wiped out my plants by early October.
2022 was the only year without late blight. Thanks to a mild fall, my tomatoes managed to survive until mid November...
@@Lochness19 Yeah and June was so cool, everything took a while to get established, only to get a little high heat, then rain and cool. It was not a great year for tomatoes. I just plant a ton every year so hopefully no matter the weather I'll get some 😂
@@FloraM44 I still got 120 lbs from 3 plants of Mountain Merit hybrid. Midnight Snack managed to get through the late blight and survive until late October too. But sungold proved to have poor resistance and had to be culled. Next year I think I'll try coyote/currant/pimp tomatoes as part of the mix since they're a wild type of tomato that's supposed to be more resistant.
@@Lochness19 That's amazing production!! I've never tried Mountain Merit but have heard good things about it. I don't remember if it's a beefsteak variety?
I love huge sweet meaty varieties. Abe Lincoln is my favourite, but also love Cherokee Purple, Kellogg's Breakfast, Great White, Delicious, and Giant Belgium. Many others are good, but those are my faves. The whole growing tomatoes thing started out with me not even really loving them that much, but seeing a few seed packets saying those varieties were lower in acid. Having bad reflux, I decided to try. The next year I grew 20 varieties. Then 50. Last year 66. It's been so much fun trying them and trying to get my setup right. Now I want to focus on getting good production, figuring out fertilizer schedules and what types to get the most out of my plants.
I bought seeds from Hoss last year and was very satisfied so I ordered more seeds from Hoss a few days ago. I’m a repeat customer, which is the best endorsement there is.
We appreciate your business! We love to hear this. Thanks Bob.
What I know is how grateful I am to the knowledgeable, bless on bless on bless the seed savers, makers, sellers. Phenomenal. Thank you for knowing.
Our pleasure!
I get the large packs of bean seeds from HOSS and the Bronco is a keeper! You talk about cheap seeds and dollar tree comes to mind, you may only get a few plants from a whole packet.. I pay a premium for Mountain Fresh tomatoes but the disease resistance is amazing and the production is crazy.
I buy all my seeds for big HOSS! Quality is key and Hoss is right. They don't skimp in quality. Additionally, service from Hoss is top notch. Keep making videos. We live you all
We grow commercially, and your seeds are the best. Our customers pre-order their vegetables a year in advance, so we have to make sure we have a seed to count on. Thank you!
Thanks for sharing!
You guys are the best! Such fast and friendly service!
Our pleasure!
I live in Georgia so will try some of your seeds if they might do better in this area. I like the idea of taking heirloom seeds and improving upon them, so that sounds like a win/win! I have bought one or two packs from Johnny's seeds and they have done well. Also, I've bought alot from MI Gardener who does sell $2.00 packs but works with small farms to produce his seeds and most all of his varieties that I've planted have done well, but I know not all of them have the advanced disease-resistance you're talking about, as most are the original version, so would definitely like to do a comparison.
Last summer I bought a Better Boy tomato plant from Tractor Supply and the first few tomatoes were great but after that the plant was struggling with the humidity and pests and fruit production suffered and leaves started to get spot. Then after the heat and humidity went down fruit started again but I ended up with about 6 green stunted tomatoes that stayed golf ball size or maybe slightly bigger. I will definitely look into your improved Better Boy seeds for next time.
Thank you again for the information Sir. I've never had a problem with any of your products.
Good to hear
Great information Greg. I want to try your Hossinator orange pepper seed. ❤
Please do!
@@gardeningwithhoss made my order and excited to start them soon. Florida PanHandle. 🌱
Can't lie, I only buy from 3 companies. 1. Hoss 2. Johnny's 3. Asian Garden to table for all of my asian vegetables. The rest imo are too hit and miss. Germ rates aren't really what many of these places claim. I get cheaper etc but when you add in your time, sweat, frustration, disappointment, being het up and clucking at the Mister at the supper table etc that too me is the cost value alone. I know many people on youtube talk up Baker Creek/Rare seeds but I'm not afraid to share my thoughts that their seeds are more miss than hit from past experience. Anyways thanks for the great info paw paw Hoss! 🙏
Thanks for the kind works and support.
@@gardeningwithhoss Zero time for that nonsense. Aint puttin lipstick on a pig for nobody.
Great info!! Thx!!
I buy different seeds from different companies. I got one that does tobacco, another that do hybrids, and sometimes I just grab the ones in the supermarket. I ain't got no big operation, and I can get by with low germination cause I only do it for personal use. I tend to gravitate towards the better companies though.
I didnt know Hoss started selling seeds, I would be more then tickled too just get one of their 2 wheeled push cultivators someday.
Great Video as always. What’s the time and temp on the PP press ? I’m so curious about your experiments lol
I live in Fort Myers! I had no idea Sakata does research here. Next time you’re in town come by the garden. Gotta lot of Hoss growing 😉 1:38
Next time!
Greg Sunday we had 104F in suburban Sydney Australia, thankfully cooler today😊
Seed companies are amazing behind the scenes, they have lots of testing and research and development in the industry with checking viability of seeds and breeding new breeds or adjusting their F Hybrids improving current seeds to adjust for deceases and other elements to improve genetics.
Most seeds are affordable with plenty of seeds, yes some are more expensive or have less seeds in it because of development of seeds through breeding out disease’s and improve yields to enjoy a better crop
Hope the seed company will allow you film your visit to seed company to share with Subscribers, we would love it❤
There is a difference between seed companies that I buy to try fun varieties for less cost (there is value there, sure)…and seed companies that I TRUST for quality plants and high germination rates…Hoss has certainly earned my trust!
Thanks for the support.
Interesting, thank you! Is the dog a flat coated retriever?!? Best dogs ever.
I bought a pkt. of Roselle Hibiscus. There are a few questions that need to be asked. Zone 8, formerly 7b
Do you plant these in seed trays or in ground?
If they are kin to okra, would you plant in ground at same time?
They like hot, hot, hot weather?
What about water, a lot or not?
Fertilizer? When and how often?
Ok…if I get them up and growing, and they bloom ,then what?
What am I looking for, when do I pick it .
Can I dehydrate it or do I only get to use it fresh?
I know there are a lot of questions but I want to know how YALL grow and harvest this plant.
Most of this information is in our Roselle growing guide, link below.
growhoss.com/blogs/growing-guides/roselle?_pos=1&_psq=%20roselle&_ss=e&_v=1.0
At the bottom of the growing guide are videos on how to harvest, cook and preserve it.
Enjoyed the video. I love the quality of your seeds
Thank you!
I only get my seed from Hoss tools. Have always had great success with your seeds!
That's great!
Sakata -- Is this an American company ? Seminis - another Monsanto acquisition. Bejo seed -- Is this Netherland company an American Company? Ray Delbury Sussex County NJ USA
Awesome information. Great job!
I have had very good results in my home garden with Hoss seeds..especially the Hossinator seeds...growing in Texas
Thanks for sharing
Well said. The cheapest part of farming is putting a high quality seed in the ground
My Hoss seeds has never failed to germinate, matter of fact I just planted some leftover last year Hoss seeds and all are growing on. 100% for the pack.
Start with quality like Hoss seeds and you will have a greener thumb.
Helps you shine.
No one has better service than Hoss Tools
Appreciate you! We try!
Amen. NC grower here too and have nothing bad to say about their products, service and prices tbh. You get what you pay for. I rather pay a bit more for someone else's good practices and experience.
That’s the truth! Honestly, I’ve ordered seeds for the first time from Hoss a few weeks ago. I didn’t really know you guys existed. We’ve ordered seeds from the major companies for our farm in the past, I also ordered from them along with Hoss
That’s very true ❤
I wasn’t finished my comment lol! Bottom line, I’ve over lots of seeds over the years for our farm and I’m very impressed with you guys! You can literally see the attention and care you guys put in to packing your seeds for shipping! The best I’ve ever received from a seed company. I’m excited and can’t wait to see our garden plots in a few months!! ❤❤
I’m a long time Hoss customer, and when it comes to seeds; variety, germination rate, value are what’s important to me. Germination rate should be done in an incubator at the company lab. Is Hoss running germination rates or relying on suppliers data? That being said, I’ve got four different short day onion varieties going from Hoss seeds; for the first time. I only wish more folks would take up home gardening. 😂
Love my lazy garden, and my seeds from hoss
Glad to hear it! Appreciate the support!
I typed a longer, more detailed request for this and UA-cam just wiped it out. So let me just give the short version: Please, please, please, consider offering seed packets in between the 50 count packet and the 1000 count packet. A 250 seed packet at a price like $5 or $6 would be great, and maybe a 500 count packet for perhaps $7.99. The jump from 50 seeds to a thousand just doesn't meet most people's home gardening needs.
We appreciate your feedback and will look into offering more seed pack sizes in the future.
Howdy how ya'll? Well, I went and cut an order with you just now. Just picked up most of my seeds. I'll say that you probably don't have the very best price nor the worst. About in the middle for this era.
Listen. I been gardening my 60x80 poke man and boy since 1979 and I tried just about every method and every variety of what there was. I know what works and what doesn't. Finally, mostly. Even so I ordered a coupla new varieties for this year's experiment. We'll see.
HOSS popped up on my feed this evening. Never heard of you guys. So happens it's time to get busy... to get some of the seeds under the dirt to make plants for this spring.
In the past, one time not long ago, I ordered some really dirt cheap lettuce seeds from Ebay and boy, you wouldn't believe the super crop of rye grass that came up! Learned my lesson there. No mas. Uh uh.
The reason I ordered from you is that I have been unsatisfied with my usual top line big name companies. I don't owe them any loyalty. A couple of years my long row of Better Boy tomatoes turned out to be some Better Boys and some other unidentified varieties.And last year my bell pepper plants from a big name company....well, I planted an even dozen. A half dozen were actually bell pepper plants. The rest were split between sweet peppers and some little rounded pepper to this day I don't know what it was. So, in short I have come to expect treachery from my seed guys. Will you be the ones to stop the madness? Looking forward to getting what I ordered, and some top notch seeds in the process.
Your bestest fan way up in Alabam,
Norm
Welcome and Thanks Norm
Great seeds and excellent customer service!
What your saying is true about quality ...but not too many people can afford the pricy stuff right now in this economy so we take chances with the cheaper seeds.
That’s why I will definitely to continue to be a customer quality is absolutely the best and the service thank y’all
Our pleasure!
I ordered first the first time for the next growing season from HOSS. I always try to get non- gmo. 😊
It is crazy the difference between quality seed and cheap seed.I choose quality as I have to deal with those plants the whole crop cycle and every day matters.
We have a blight problem here in zone 6 with early and late blight what sauce tomato seeds do you recamend for this area?
Shelby. Also treat as a drench-complete disease control and spry foliar with liquid-cop. Greg
What about seed company's for growing in va?
Try Hoss, we have a lot of customers from VA.
I'm across the state line in NC and have great success with Hoss. Been using them exclusively for 4 years.
👋🏻 Waves from Hanover County. I buy from Hoss, Johnny's, and Southern Exposure for my market garden business. All three provide excellent seed but Hoss stands at the top of my list for customer service.
Does anyone know of a good book with colored pictures that can help me tell the difference in diseases? I live in the northern panhandle of WV, and that TSWV just might be what damages then wipes out my nightshades starting around the end of July through August. I've been treating it like blight.
Fort Myers Florida!!! That’s my neck of the woods.
I always say, "You get what you pay for!" I've just ordered my Hoss seeds. I tried to narrow down to only 3 tomato varieties, but it was difficult. 😂 I guess 6 is not too bad. 😂😂 I can't wait to try them aĺl.
I hope you at Hoss take this as civil. I contacted your company year before last and last year about purchasing seeds. The response was not good. It seemed to me to be a canned response and not very positive. I ended up purchasing all my needs from Baker Creek or MI garden. I did a huge garden and many of my saved seeds needed replacing. I am in Oklahoma so I feel like I’m part of the south. But after receiving the “not so friendly “ replies from your company I was afraid that maybe the product was not the best for me. Happy that you have so many happy customers just not a fit for this old Okie. By the way I did produce a Huge garden of which I shared with many friends and family last year and already got this year already planned.
We are sorry you had a bad experience.
Good I information! I never knew most of this!. Now… I need to order tomato seeds… (after my Bible study class)👍
Wonderful!
Hey hoss what is the email or link to check out seeds and order.
www.growhoss
I order from Hoss , Baker Creek and Tomato Growers
I planted 2 trays of 72 cells with my Hoss seeds and only one cell did not germinate……I think I missed putting seed in the cell…..💗💗💗Hoss seeds!!💗💗🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅💗
You have a lot to be proud of, you sell very good quality seeds, you have great employees and I can tell you do, by your great customer service. I have never been unhappy with any of my orders. My only complaint is that your product line ignores growers in Central and South Florida. We are very limited as to what we can grow in our hot rainy months and I would prefer to buy those seeds from you, rather than companies in Missouri or Virginia or New England. I realize we a niche market, but we are a fairly large niche. That is my only complaint, the part I want to emphasize is you own a great company and have hired some great people.
Just saw Seminis was acquired by Vegetables by Bayer. 🤔
Oh no!
YES! Finally someone had the sense to point that out! Seminis (or Monsanto/bayer) stands in opposition of the very principles that organic gardeners stand for. Thank you for pointing that out👍
Excellent advice.
We dont have sakata in NZ and Australia they closed there doors here in 90s but all the other companies are here
Why wouldn't one simply save their own seeds rather than buying them every season?
Germination rate is one big reason. If you save seeds from garden crops one year after the last, the germination rate can fall off, at least that is what I remember from growing up in the family farm garden plot, then trying it myself and not being too successful with the production year over year.
@@DrJohn493 I've heard that, too, but one has to wonder how seed producers avoid that and can produce seeds any other way than a typical gardener.
@@hazel555 for one you have to dedicate the space to letting the crop go all the way to seed rather than harvesting and drop the next crop in. Also I saved bean seeds twice and they were contaminated with bugs both times.
@GNorsworthy depending on the crop it doesn't take many plants for enough seed to replant, e.g., if I have planted, say, 50 green bean seeds from a packet and 45 of them grow to maturity, I would only need one of those plants to recoup my 50 seeds and likely get many more than that, leaving 44 plants to provide me with a glut of greenbeans fir eating fresh or canning. Same with my heritage sweet corn: I planted 10 rows of 30 plants, that's 300 seeds. I get 2 ears of corn per mature plant and each ear contains approximately 10 rows of 20 or so seeds, so it only takes 2 full ears to replace the 300 seeds. Further, if bugs destroyed your saved seed, you need to be more careful to choose clean seed and careful how you store it. I have never had a problem with that.
I have had good success with Hoss!
Bayer seed company owns seminis and de Ruiter. Bayer are the largest seed company in the world
Greg I usta buy Park whoppers tomatoe seeds for 35 years but they aren't owned by the Parks family. It's doesn't Crack but they have changed it it's not the producer it used to be and a good indeterminate tomato here in South central Oklahoma. Can you recommend and good none Crack producing indeterminate mators you sell please.
Better Boy Plus , Celebrity Plus or Rubee Dawn would work well for you. Greg
Interesting! I’m mulling over this very topic and looking to post. Top 5 this week. Guess shoes on it ?! 😉
Go for it!
I’ve always had hoss seed they are just as good that Greg’s did the cucumber seeds are awesome as is corn .
Good to know!
If Hoss sells what I want to grow, that's about the end of my search. If Hoss doesn't sell it, there are just a few others that I'll buy seeds from. I've managed to goof up plants from Hoss seeds, and I've found a couple of varieties that I just didn't care for, but I've never bought any seeds from Hoss that didn't perform at, or well above, the label germination rate.
Do you carry seed that will do well in ky northwest Arkansas zone 6-7?;
Yes we do.
Why do I need 250 low quality seeds when I may need only ten plants. So if assured a good germination rate I’ll go for better seeds every time.
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From Settin' Rock Farm, Hoss has the best seeds and the best customer service period!!! The proof is in the puddin!🎉😊
Thanks so much. We have the best customers too.
The seed sources are very important. Report on how the seed sources are growing their product. Seed genetics will self-select for local growing conditions so If a vendor is pouring on the fertilizer and insecticides where they package the healthiest plants then those seeds will need heavy chemicals to thrive too. Planting Florida seeds in Michigan may do poorly because of cooler temperatures and clay not sandy soils. However if they are growing with minimal inputs and evolved their plants for hardiness at extremes then they can be better for most gardeners who will have wildly varied growing techniques and conditions.
What about GMOs !?
Thanks.
No one can buy GMO from seed companies.
@@gardeningwithhoss i meant GM seeds.