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- A follower asked me why I decided on the 2018 Honda Goldwing instead of a new Harley (or BMW). I try to answer that question in this week's moto vlog.
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My 10,000 mile review of the 2018 Goldwing: ua-cam.com/video/SKTo5Lf9oAM/v-deo.html
That was a good review, spot on. I've only got 3000 miles on mine so far, but I do agree with your assessment.
You and I [and, yes, every other person who resides in these United States] pay(s) Lower Taxes than any other advanced, Western Nation. Really. Yep! Honestly. Why? Deductions, Credits, Loopholes, Subsidies, Prevaricating about our Expenses & Charitable Donations on our Tax Returns as well as other forms of tax avoidance. Hey, it is the American Way. Setting aside all the palaver and misinformation about Canadian Health Care, the Japanese, Swiss, French and other first world nations have excellent, public health care. And, yes, they actually Pay Their Taxes. Tell me, what's the sales tax in Texas? And, how about the Triple Subsidy most home buyers receive (mortgage interest, real estate taxes deductibility, etc). Folks bitch and moan about how much they pay in taxes as they take inflated deductions for their home offices,GoPro Hero action cams and, even, their motorcycles (yep, our Tax Code allows a UA-cam Presenter to consider the motorbike, scooter, boat, airplane, RV, bicycle, horse, eBike, PWC, Side by Side, ATV and UTV as necessary elements to the YT productions). Sweet. Two thirds of the Swiss rent ! Why? Because their tax code lacks the Subsidies that our Tax Code allows. And, thanks to lobbying of Congress for favorable tax laws, many of our U.S. Corporations do Not pay Any taxes! Obscene!
And, now, I will step down from my Soap Box.
Oh, yes,I nearly forgot: Kudos to you for an excellent website. You are entertaining and entrepreneurial.
I also have a 16 Harley street glide. And a 22 goldwing.
If I ride my street glide for a hundred miles I’m wiped. If I ride my goldwing 250 miles. I’m not tired at all. That goldwing is in a class of its own.
I have both Harley's and Goldwings, a 2019 Road King and 2018 Goldwing dct and the Goldwing is my go to bike, I've put nearly 30,000 miles on it this year the harley 6,000 miles so far. The Goldwing is a superior bike compared to the Harley, and before people say I'm a Honda finantic I've had Harley Davidson motorcycles for nearly 50 years . I will never be without a Harley but the Goldwing is a much superior touring bike. I can service the Goldwing for about one third of the cost of a Harley and at a longer mileage requirement, all pluses in my book.
same here. harley cvo but goldwing gets it done
When do you sleep ?
@@michaelbayliss1794 I'm retired, I average 400 to 500 miles a day. This year has been excellent for me, we have had a dry summer.
Tommy yea Honda is smart they wait for H.D. To put out their bikes and Honda just makes it better.old school v.s. New school eh?
Now Indian with some competition? COMING SOON🤩
Cruiseman, I greatly appreciate your insight, I have had over the years so many different brands, to include back in the 70's, BSA, Triumph, Yamaha, Norton, then in more recent years, Hondas, BMW etc. In the early 2000's when they came out with the "Firefighter special edition" I purchased a new Harley Road King (still have it) and since then owned Harley Street glides, Ultra classics etc. A couple years ago the ulta lost a Comp Sprocket 4 days before heading out on a trip with three others. I called to cancel and one of the guys had an extra FB6, so he said come get it and ride it...Well that was the beginning of the change for me! 1). I never worried about the outside temp anymore with the Honda, the harleys when it gets in the 90's and above in temp, they ping badly, 2) The Honda had great power stock, and they have great breaks. Well it was not long after i got home, repaired the harley and sold it I purchased a Honda. Do i get teased by all of my Harley friends..Yes I do, do I really care...No i don't. LOL I have so much fun, and what i like most is the reliability!! Thank you as always for sharing your thoughts as it is greatly appreciated!!
You made the right decision on the GW DCT. I believe it’s the best touring bike on the road today, bar none. HDs are way overpriced with too much heat and vibration, dated technology and high maintenance/repair costs.
Indians are not an option for me either, the look is not appealing to me whatsoever.
BMW’s are also overpriced IMO and over engineered, as you stated.
All motorcycles have issues right from the factory, your GW has way less issues than the HD I bought a few years ago. I have never been completely happy with my bike, but will be soon when the money pit is SOLD and I purchase a new GW DCT.
Keep up the great vlogs.
The truth is in the real stats. I am 74 and have rode over 400,000 on Goldwings. Never let me down. Oil changes, tires and one battery is all I have had to do. Oh, forgot, I did flush the brakes one time. GOLDWINGS last forever. I did ride an '18 HD Ultralimited to Daytona spring of '22. Had 3500 miles on it and broke down on the way home. I struggled to get it to the HD dealership and they said it would be 30 days before they could take it into the shop.
I considered the BMW K1600 GTL, and came very close to purchasing a 2019 Road Glide Ultra, but decided on the 2019 Gold Wing instead. With the exception of the torture device Honda calls a seat, the bike is great. Cruiseman hit the nail on the head for the reasons to purchase a Honda over the BMW or Harley
I'm glad that someone mentioned the seat. The reason that I'm looking toward the Goldwing is because of the comfort - especially for the passenger - however, until Honda does something different with the '18+ models, I'll be content to look at '17 and older.
Amazing that the seat is still an issue. I had a 1984 G W that was horrible. I had a "Diamond " seat made for it which was fabulous. Since I have been a Harley rider since 1987 , I found that they have a number of options in that area. Does Honda offer any other seat ? I realize it's a tough thing to make every one happy with a seat. Just look at the people who ride.
Yikes. And here I was thinking of buying a new GW because I thought the seat was comfortable. Thanks for letting us know.
Honda stock seat is perfect to me 🤷🏽♂️ like I’ve never got a bike that I felt I didn’t need to upgrade nothing like the goldwing
Seat has been fine for me too for years but there are loads of seat options online anyway. 😙
K1600 does have shift assist pro, similar to DCT. Apple CarPlay on a Wing is not what I want, emails and texts on the dash of a motorcycle is not what I want in an escape vehicle. BMW Grand America, I got over $9000 off on a brand new 2018 in Alberta, Canada, because it was overpriced and it's colour is Austin Yellow. The service interval costs are similar to my Triumph Thunderbird LT 1700cc actual maintenance costs. My bike is a reverse tear drop shape. The Wing looks chunky or clunky. I'm glad you like yours and I like mine. We're all different.
I own same as yours and i loveeeeeee it. I was not impressed at all with the GW. Just did not click enough to sign a check. At 7K so far, no regrets!!!! Happy riding
I owned a 2018 DCT and I'm a rider not just a cruiser. I traded the GW after 1 year of ownership. The seat caused me so much pain that even after the upgrade I literally couldn't seat down after 4 hours of riding that beast. I like to ride 8-12 hours a day and the GW is miserable. In addition, can you imagine having to buy another GPS to mount right next to the Honda screen. Consider the serviceability, the social connections, and the disappointment over the much smaller tourer that Honda is selling. Buy the Road Glide and leave Honda behind. I have owned 4 GWs before. The 2020 Road Glide Limited with RDRS does everything that Honda has to offer and more plus now I can ride in comfort. I could go on. Believe me if you a rider and want to buy American the Harley is the better bike.
Charles, there are several companies that can modify or replace stock GW seats, some have excellent reviews and riders claim they can ride all day long with the new seats/modifications. To each his own, but I see and know a lot more riders switching to Honda Goldwings than the other way around.
PS: I currently own a HD touring motorcycle and can’t wait to upgrade to a GW DCT next year.
Ride safe Charles.
I put about 100k miles on my Harleys. No longer own them. I realize now I "shoulda" bought a wing when I was looking. I now own an 08 wing, will add an '18+ wing soon.
At 10:13 you bring up Yamaha. Your opinion that Yamaha should have used the VMAX engine in their big touring machines is 100% CORRECT !!!!! They would give Honda a tremendous challenge in the GoldWing "market" without question.
Vmax engine has high fuel consumption. It's always thirsty!.
i am also trying Hulu . not a big fan of it. I was a Sling tv person and LOVE sling but they lost my local network tv channel. While i'm not a network tv watcher i do like local news. Hulu's interface is very confusing Where as Sling's is very user friendly. I'll try UA-cam TV but they're missing some stations i watch. Looking forward to your comparison. But give Sling TV a try . As far as Goldwings go, i was a harley rider for 20 years both on and off duty (retired moto cop) . It was the new style and the DCT that sold me on goldwing. When i took the DCT for a test ride i was sold. I loved the BMW K1600GTL . living in south Florida it has the best air flow of a touring bike and IMO less buffering then the Goldwing but as you said it was the maintenance cost kept me away. I've noticed Most long time BMW rider do their own maintenance and other then changing oil i'm mechanically useless. Goldwing has a great track record and i'm glad i made my choice .
The Yamaha has a lot of heat, my Electra Glide Ultra has heat, I live outside Houston. Even have an older royal star that gets hot during the summer. Very good video and sounds like you got the bike you are most comfortable on and that’s the great part about here is we can choose what we want and what makes us more comfortable
Mine fjr 2002 gets hot thats how they are and you get used to it just always have more than half tank of gas maybe in the future i would love the older 1800 gw but now mine fjr is superb
I did a lot of research before purchasing my 2019 DCT Tour and watched many Cruiseman's vlogs. I've had many different motorcycles since 1973 (Honda, Yamaha, BMW, Victory) and by far, my 2019 Goldwing is the BEST motorcycle I have ever owned. My 2005 BMW K1200LT was a beautiful and well made motorcycle but it was top-heavy with a very short kickstand. It was very difficult riding with a passenger. My new DCT is very well balanced and having a passenger is no problem. Living here on the Space Coast of Florida means that this motorcycle will not be parked for the winter months.
Hey Lupe, how's it going?
Other than the clunky gearbox, I would rather tour on the recent-gen R1200RT than the GW. The R1200 is 100+ pounds lighter, has better (and removable) luggage. The brakes are fine, the windscreen is MUCH better, the seat is better, the Navigation works better, it is easy to put on centerstand. The Honda has a better motor and gearbox, and may be better for a passenger. The Honda suspension is smoother, but it bottoms out too Daily. The R1200 is definitely more agile.
Agree about the K1200LT, I had one with reverse and and electric centre stand. Yes it was on the heavy side. Faultless and just paid for servicing.
Those who have issues with storage might want to look at the Expanded Capacity Saddlebag Doors for the 2018/19 Gondwing by Corbin
Fix the GPS, soften the seat and increase the storage. To put it over the top, make the bags removable like BMW. Now that will be THE bike!
I would not surprised if, at some point in the future, Honda will introduce a better GPS. Not sure about the storage space.
If you get removable bags, then you'd have a Honda ST1300.
Dr. Freddy B. Wilson Don’t know what an ST1300 is. Owned BMWs since 1975. First Honda, 2018 DCT Tour.
I never took off the bags , had 3 beemers . Just bought bag liners , easier to carry through a hotel hallway . Last beemer got. Traded for a 2018 Gold Wing. Cost of maintenance ,and horrible dealer network .
Love the Wing.
@@cruisemansgarage They just did, increase the storage space :-)
Congrats on dumping OBummer care.
Honda and BMW for long distance crusing......a Harley for those interested in impressing their friends on Sunday morning rides.
I traded a 2010 GL1800 non-ABS (and a healthy loan amount) for a new, 2019 Scorched Orange/Black Denim Road King Special optioned with Touring windscreen, Harley heated grips, Harley heated Hammock seat, Daymaker headlight, Harley LED visibility lights installed on sides/engine areas (attempted to give this FLHRXS comfort and visibility features that came standard on my 2010 GW) but Harley RKS has no Reverse available). Got hosed on the price. S T O O P I D Stupid Stupidity Stupid Stupid of me. I also keep scraping the footboards. Dealers (I have been to several) say floorboards cannot be replaced with pegs (as the Honda had). Sheit, Mate !!! Now looking at 2019 GW Tour DCT, BMW K1600 Grand America, Indian Challenger and Yamaha Star Venture as well as BMW R1250RT and Yamaha FJR1300 ES. Dazzling Array of possibilities. Anything over 800 lbs had better have Reverse...
How does it impress?
Every time I see that Garmin navigation device I think about how shitty the Nav system is in the 2018+ wing, to me that is a disaster for Honda.
Better looks on the 2018+ GW is certainly subjective, people had to give up a lot to get "better looks" on a touring bike like wind protection and luggage space, however it's still the best value in a touring bike.
Someone mentioned the seat, for me no GW seat has ever been comfortable. The previous model seat had my knees touching the fairing. I have had to replace or modify the seat on both of the second gen wings I have owned...
More and more lately I realize that the navigation, any kind of nav, is taking something away from the experience of enjoying the ride. The "map" is no longer in my head while I take in the scenery. Luckily, since I have a GL1100, I can just turn it off, take my smartphone off the holder, and pretend it's 1983 again. Even if I had a new Goldwing, I'm pretty sure I would still ride one of the old ones as much if not more & those old ones are pretty nimble without the fairing.
@@jackandblaze5956 I spent many more years traveling without anything other than a map. I remember sitting down the night before the trip and studying the map for the next days travel...
@@Bass.Player Yup. Good times. Too bad it's getting harder to find good print maps. The best trips were after the personal computer but before smart phones when I downloaded & printed all the county maps along a trip & would take back road "short-cuts" on little ranch roads & county roads for 100's of miles. Had to slow down for cows, goats, tractors, & farm girls on horseback - but it was nooo problem!
I keep a Yamaha for when my Harley is broken. 👍😉
I got a somewhat late start in life riding motorcycles, age 25 back in 2005. My first bike was a 2005 Suzuki Katana 600. I wanted a sport bike that would be comfortable to ride. I put a little over 23K miles on that bike with no issues until I stored in in a shed for my first two years in the Navy. Mice got into the wiring and the fuel rusted out the tank. Fixed the bike up and road it a little longer until my wife demanded a more comfortable seating position. In 2012 I gave her that upgrade. I was torn between the Goldwing, a Harley touring bike, and the BMWs. I quickly scratched the BMWs off my list as their dealer networks were few and far between. Great machines, but I wanted to have easy access to a dealership if anything arose while on the road. So that left the Goldwing and Harley-Davidsons. I did a lot of research between the two. I was very impressed with the Goldwing reliability, but I was seeing flaws in handling with the reviews I saw. At the time the Harleys were better handling machines. The majority of the issues they had in years past had been addressed in 2008 when Harley-Davidson changed their framework on their touring machines. Along with a vast dealer network that far exceeded that of Honda’s, and I really liked the way the Harley Davidson motorcycles looked... I decided to go with a 2012 Ultra Classic Electra Glide CVO after further research of the touring lineup. About 4 years and 40K miles later, that 110 Ci engine had a catastrophic failure. Thankfully it was covered by my extended warranty and 75 days later I had the bike back with a fully rebuilt engine. A few months later, I was on a cross country trip from San Diego to Tampa. This trip was in August of 2016. Well the temperature in eastern Arizona and New Mexico was at a horrible 125*F. Started hearing a louder than normal pinging sound coming from what sounded like the rockers. Pulled over to let the bike cool down and check fluids, and all was fine. The engine was just running warmer than normal. Got back on the road, but slowed down from the 85 mph that we were traveling at to 75 mph and never heard the noise again. Got to Mississippi and there were 3 wrecks on the I-10 back to back. Traffic was crawling and of course, lane splitting is not legal there. I was placing the bike in neutral as much as possible so I don’t over heat the clutch. Well the clutch started to get so hot that it started to engage with the handle pulled all the way back the the grip. Hurried up and got to the shoulder as fast as possible. With the clutch pulled all the way to the grip it didn’t want to disengage and I ended up stalling the bike as I stopped. Sat there for a few hours waiting on the bike to cool down and for traffic to hopefully clear up. The next day at our first fuel stop, my buddy told me I should check my oil as he was getting high on exhaust fumes from riding behind me. I just happened to be a quart low, and added a quart and got back on the road. We were still in Mississippi. When we got to Jacksonville, FL. I checked my oil again. Needed to add a half a quart. Did so and got back on the road. Made it to Orlando, FL. Had to add another half quart of oil. Then as we were arriving at the hotel in Tampa,FL. my poor CVO was smoking so bad going down the street my buddies said I was smoking like a F-4 fighter plane. Following morning I delivered my 2012 Ultra Classic Electra Glide CVO to the dealership there asking if they could fix my bike in 4 day so I could be back on the road to San Diego on time? Well I ended up trading in that bike for a 2016 Harley Road Glide Ultra CVO. Well two years and 36,500 miles later I had started another cross country trip from San Diego to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. I almost made it to Flagstaff, Arizona and my engine blew. It was only 90*F and I was traveling at 70 mph. I noticed as I went to downshift from 6th to 5th gear that my clutch went soft and wouldn’t disengage. I managed to finish climbing the pass and was on my way down the other side that I started hearing clunking sounds from the engine. So I pulled off at some random exit to investigate and let the bike cool down, in the middle of nowhere. I waited about 2 hours before deciding that I needed to make it to an exit that had some sort of services before it got dark. There was one about 7 miles further down the freeway. So I proceeded on my way. The clunking got louder and my power was dropping. I make it to a shell station making all sorts of racket before the bike shuts down on me. Oil had puked back out the air filter all over the engine and exhaust pipes. Following day managed to get the bike trailered back to San Diego and to the service center at my local Harley dealer. I had 10 days left on my factory warranty, so they authorized an engine swap. 45 days later I have the bike back and proceeded to do another engine break-in period then the break-in service. After that service, I attempted to trade in my 2 year old $50,000 Harley Davidson Road Glide Ultra CVO with now 37K miles for the 2018 Goldwing Tour DCT. They said that they could only give me $21K for trade. I still owed $37K. So I still have my 2016 Road Glide Ultra CVO and a 2018 Goldwing Tour DCT. So over the last year, I put only 3,000 miles on the Harley which is now at 40,000 miles, and I have put over 17,000 on my Goldwing. Paying two bike payments sucks, but once I can pay enough of the Harley off to get out from under it, I will. I will probably never own another Harley Touring bike again. I was a little disappointed with the lack of storage and stereo volume on the new goldwing, but overall it is a far more superior touring machine, in the smooth ride, handling, the infotainment system and fuel mileage than the top of the line overpriced Harley Davidson touring CVO machines.
I bought the 2018 bagger DCT and it is a fact that this is the very first vehicle I have purchased in all 80 years of my life prior to a test ride! I bought it on looks and specifications and took delivery in Feb 2018. I do not regret it and having finished a trip to the Grand Canyon and back from here in Indiana three days ago I am more pleased than ever with my purchase!
John Carmel, IN
Wow! Amen to that John. Great testimonial on selection of motorcycle and being 80 years young enjoying a motorcycling lifestyle. Congratulations. Ride safe and ride often.
@@roadglide Thanks, my friend! I am doing exactly as you said.
I owned BMWs since 1975. The biggest problem with them is not the bike, it’s the lack of dealership network. When I moved to N.C. the closest dealer was at least two hours away. That and arthritis in my wrists forced me to leave BMW. Went with the 2018 DCT.
This is the first time I have ever given the Goldwing another look. It looks very good and it seems to run well and handle like a much smaller bike. I would like to ride one soon.
One thing you failed to mention . Those bikes which have problems, are they sir know or tampered with with all those engine aftermarket upgrades? Many who complain about the Harley have messed with it.
duane howard mine want tampered with at all. It was completely stock. It had the oil transfer problem from the transmission to the primary. I traded the bike in with only 1100 miles on it. I had no trans oil on the dipstick with only 480 miles on it. I thought maybe they didn’t check or fill it properly when it was being set up before I bought it. That’s what they claimed and they topped it off and said recheck it again in 500 miles. I checked it again at 475 and guess what? Empty again! At that point they didn’t have a fix for it and didn’t know when they would and I felt I had a $25,000.00 paper weight. So I got rid of it. It was a 2018 road king special.
You made the mistake of buying bike in the first year of production of a totally new model. You are lucky that you haven't experienced more problems than you have. Never buy a totally new product.
And it runs on 87 octane that's a big plus
That is a HUGE selling point that we often take for granted.
Great review...and all makes good sense. I've owned both brands and in the market...you are reminding me the Wing might be the best choice moving forward for the long distance touring I plan to do.
You mean you didn't save $2500 a month like the 'average' family on Obamacare? (sarcasm intended)
Mine nearly tripled in 3 years.
Cruiseman's Garage: I went from virtually nothing out of pocket to costing me $4500 annually.
@@sierrafoxtrotgolf3638 I went from about $300 per month to $985 per month, and a higher deductible. Worst part is no doctors (with names I can pronounce) accepted it.
Cruiseman's Garage thanks for the politics, there just isn’t enough of that on the internet.
I’m out.
@@barrymatherly Get over it dude..."you can't handle the truth" Cruiseman is correct...
Cruiseman, I had been seriously considering buying a 2018 or 2019 GoldWing for two up touring. Then I came across a 2016 holdover level two GoldWing. I have to say that it is my belief that for a two up touring motorcycle, the Gen 2 1800's have EVERYTHING a person would ever need for a long distance ride. The Gen 2's are extremely comfortable, very powerful, have plenty of luggage space and handle very well for a two up touring motorcycle. I have test driven 4 or 5 of the Gen 3 1800's and while they are superb handling bikes, I just don't think they are as comfortable for my wife or I as the Gen 2 bikes are. The Gen 3 bikes would need a more comfortable seat for the rider and especially the passenger and slightly larger luggage space. I love the 6th gear (or 7th gear with DCT) but I feel Honda took a step backward by lowering the fuel tank capacity by a gallon +. I actually own an Indian Vintage and used to own the Indian Roadmaster, and you are right...they do get pretty warm in the hot summer sun. You are also right in that they are BEAUTIFUL bikes. My wife just didn't care for the comfort of the Roadmaster as well as the GoldWing (the 2016 makes GoldWing #7 over the years).
I have the 2018 DCT Tour. My wife and I ride a lot, but even with the smaller gas tank I get over 250 miles before I have to fill up and I still don't have the low fill light on. I rode last week for 6 hours round trip to Iowa from Illinois just to see when the light would come on and it did come on (so now I know it works) but I rode 270 miles before it came on. Normally I stop every 2-3 hours (about 150 miles) just to stretch our legs and fill up then. I have not found the smaller tank to be an issue and when I ride with my GWRRA group I average 1/3 less fuel to fill up than any of them so I am happy.
I love my 2018 Goldwing DCT. And the reason I bought it was for the DCT cuz I hate using a clutch especially in heavy traffic. And like you said you get more bang for the buck.🏍
I can't really speak for the Harley or the BMW since I have never owned one. But like you said, you are familiar with the Goldwing platform and you like the reliability. I've had my 2006 Goldwing now for 13 years and it has never broken down. There have been some recalls on some parts that were taken care of by the dealership but otherwise it has been rock solid. It will probably be the last motorcycle I will ever own. Nice video!
I picked mine cause of Chris Caliente. I seen how much fun he had in his and I felt like I was literally on the ride with him. I enjoyed being in the virtual back seat and said I think i will get on. I had a 2003 Honda Shadow with about 8,000 miles on it. Took a ride to my Honda dealer that was 1 hour away with my wife and seen one there. I loved the F6B cause i didn't think i was ready for the full bike and she said get it. DIDN'T ASK HER TWICE. The dealer said since this is your second bike here i will make you and offer you cant refuse. $24,000 bike for 16,000 I signed the paperwork right away. Leftover incentive, buy back on my Honda Shadow. With all the incentives I got 8,000 off the new leftover 2013 Honda Goldwing F6B. LOVE IT ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT. Now if I could work on it my self I could save me some money. Just to scared of screwing up the bike.
Man, you got a great deal! Have you gone to the Darkside yet? Get my videos for the 2001-2017/F6B and it will show you how to do much of the maintenance yourself! video.cruisemansgarage.com
Stop comparing HD to a goldwing 2 different motorcycles. I have been riding for over 45 years had all kinds of bikes. K1200lt was the best touring bike wind protection was amazing. K1600gtle was insane fast for a touring bike . R1200rt best all-around bike . Goldwing my wife was not happy on it. I thought it was a great motorcycle. I now f
Ride a HD limited. Has 62k without a single problem. Ride safe
Toured with my 09 Wing from sea to shining sea happily for several years but was lured away 2 years ago by that legendary German engineering in the K1600. Considered the 2018 Wing but scared off by inevitable glitches in any new or redesigned model. K1600 has made a believer out of me. Rode across Canada in all kinds of ugly weather and she never missed a beat. Smooth as silk with the wife on the back on long tours or remove the top case and the passenger and she’s more fun in the twisties than a man should be allowed to have. I get it about the dealer network and yes it’s expensive but the reliability has been flawless over the past 16,000 miles. Haven’t tried the DCT Goldwing but something very unnatural about no clutch in my left hand. But I do love that slipper clutch on the BMW. Nobody beats me off line with that in my arsenal. Oh, and I added the Garmin into the slot BMW made for it, so no crappy Honda GPS. For some inexplicable reason Honda can’t make a decent GPS for their cars either.
I bought in 2020 a left over 2018,the dealer discounted 7k. I traded a 2008 that had the "wheel wobble problem with a steering stabilizer. I'm always solo so the trunk space is not an issue for me. So far zero problems, and the reliability factormeans a lot to me. I went through 2 Harleys , a 2009 low rider and a 2009 Ultra Classic,minor problems with both, but worst was the heat from the motor. Sold them as a package deal and bought my 2008. Unless something out of this world shows up, I'll always be a Honda guy.
Heads up - He doesn't start talking about why he boght a Goldwing (WHICH IS THE SUBJECT LINE NOT YOUR CANNELS MOVIES ETC) Untill about 5:30.
Asking a noob but hopefully not dumb question. Are there diagnostic devices for motorcycles?
I'm seen plenty for cars but I've never seen one for a motorcycle.
Gold Wing = Rolls Royce. Harley Ultra = ‘69 Camaro. Yes the Gold Wing is superior in every way, but sometimes I want to drive a Camaro.
Great analogy.
.....Why is BMW the only maufacturer out of these three to give you a loaner bike during a repair or recall scenario ? Pretty bad on Honda and Harley ! BTW: Harley needs to UP their warranty and DOWN their prices ...Seems like Harley is going in opposite directions with these Two Aspects of their products ... lol
I have been riding Harley since 2003. Been riding Honda's before that for years. I love both brands. but your right Cruiseman, there ain't no such thing as discounts with HD! They are expensive, which is why I am customizing my 2009 Ultra in flame blue pearl. 119k on it now and going strong. I am buying a DCT in the next two years though. I had a 1988 1500 and loved it!
I've looked at the Honda Goldwing and the BMW GTL and the Harley Davidson Road Glide they are all good touring bikes in my opinion. But what fits me best. I don't like the foot peg/ board location on the Goldwing, it's uncomfortable and the fact that you have to totally disassemble the front fairing to get at the air cleaner. That's one job I don't want and I just can't justify the cost of the dealer doing it just for an air filter. I do like the BMW GTL but again the location of the foot pegs makes me bend my knees to the point a long ride would be uncomfortable and the fairing seem to be in the way if highway foot boards. I've owned Hondas, and Harley's and rode just about everything they make but the Harley has been the most comfortable, for me, on long road trips over 3000 miles one way. That is why my next bike will in all likelihood be a Harley Davidson Road Glide Limited.
The air cleaner on the BMW is also a pain to change. Harley's are comfortable, but expensive to buy and own and reliability can be an issue. But, for long legs, the Harley's are hard to beat.
I ride H-D and put right at 100,000 miles on the last one I had with only maintenance and tires. No breakdowns either. Owned that Road King for just over twenty years. I do my own maintenance as well so that was pretty inexpensive.
With that being said I think H-D and Indian for that matter ride and buy what we do for completely different reasons than what Honda GW riders ride and buy theirs for. In fact I think the reasons I like my Harleys are the same reasons I believe you would not like them and might see those reasons as a flaw in the motorcycle.
I believe variety is the spice of life and it's a good thing. Think how boring it would be if we all liked the same things.
Gold Wing is extremely overpriced and that’s not including options that you have to spend $1,000s of dollars more to bring it up to speed with BMW K1600. BMW options are standard at no additional cost. Go figure
bought the 40th anniversary edition and my next bike will be the 50th anniversary edition. Thanks in part to your videos
And ‘Orange Man Bad’! We’ve gone so far backwards since 2020, if we don’t correct this soon, we’ll all be riding EV motorcycles in 15 years.
I too did my research prior to purchasing my 2018 Goldwing DCT. I was a die hard Harley owner up till the purchase of a 2010 CVO Ultra Classic. The one off custom Harley was a piece of junk....the 110CI screaming eagle motor was garbage, rear cylinder head gaskets kept blowing. The chrome on the custom mirrors, wheels and floor boards flaked not to mention the electronic issues I encountered which are too many to list. I got rid of it and bought a 2014 Indian Chieftain which I enjoyed but it just wasn’t cut out for long distance touring plus getting older and having some issues with arthritis in my left wrist it was getting harder to hold the clutch in stop and go traffic. SOO.....When Honda came out with the DCT I had to take it for a ride to see what it was all about and I just fell in love with it. I got lucky and was able to get one from my local dealer when most dealers weren’t able to get them. The DCT has been flawless, it’s not without saying that there are a few things Honda could have done a little different or better like in the comfort department for the long haul - but luckily there are folks out there that have come up with tips and tricks to solve a lot of the issues. I had a custom painted trailer made at Bushtech which I tow with the Goldwing and there are times I forget the trailer is behind me. I still own a production model 2009 Harley Softail Deluxe that’s in great shape and runs like the day it was purchased. My wife usually rides it back and forth to work and I sometimes take it out for a local ride but when we decide to hit the road for five weeks and go coast to coast we’ll take the Goldwing with the trailer. Like you mentioned in your Vlog the motors on these are bullet proof and are cheaply maintained. Not to mention you can run them all day long on regular pump gas not high test like Harleys. For someone who was dead set against buying Hondas for so long I was foolish not to give them a try. Now I’ll never go back to anything else. One last thing you mentioned was the heat off the Harleys...OMG they are horrible even with the new heat management systems they’ve incorporated. I haven’t felt anything even remotely close with the Goldwing unless you stick your knees way out away from the bike you might get a little heat from the fans. Thanks for all your Vlogs and little tips, I’ve used Traxxion Dynamics for quite a few things along with Wingsoft out there in Texas to get my seat some added comfort plus RIVCO highway pegs and HELI Bar risers. Keep them tips coming!!
I'm here from 2 years in the future, where gas is $6/gallon, and used Goldwings with 20k miles are going for a couple hundred below new MSRP.
I have an 07 GW and a 09 HD Ultra, I had a BMW which, your right, crazy expensive. My fav hands down is my wing.
Right choice! Perfect choice! There is nothing wrong of being selective in other choices. Individual prefence. Your prefence is also my preference. Correct preference. Good perceptions.
I like the Honda better cause the body lines are so much better Harley hasn’t changed anything body wise for years the Honda just looks so much better to me it’s the Cadillac of Bikes I’m in the market for the trike a Honda just looks better and from what I’ve seen rides better.
Hey Cruiseman, the DCT vs manual shift; what reason’s did you choose the DCT? I’m looking at getting a wing soon and trying to decide.
Thanks for you videos and dedication.
Do know what Harley's and old hound dogs have in common? They both like to ride around in the back of pickup trucks.
Ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff !! Trade the Harley in for another dog.
Allmost buy a BMW1600,B,, but two meny trasmission problems, going two buy goldwingB
Yup what Tommy Bernard said. I have what I consider my last Harley touring bike, a 2019 Roadglide Ultra. Love the bike, but I will probably go with a DCT Wing. Living in Florida the heat issues are valid and for me it's heavy, and so isn't the steering, unlike the Wings.
I’ve got over 400k miles on Ultra Classic Harleys, and have never had a mechanical issue that stranded me either.
I, too was on the fence between the RT and the Wing.I have two Harleys,one of which will be traded for a leftover 18 Wing with manual transmission.I rode the dct,and although I find it cool,I’m just not ready to give up the manual just yet.Your reasoning behind why you chose the Wing makes perfect sense,and I agree with you 100%.
Thank you for making my decision to go with the Wing an easy one now.👍
I agree about the Yamaha if it had a four water-cooled it would be on my shopping list
I looked at one, and thought the same thing, bought the 19 dct tour and love it.
@@patrickwade3150 I could not believe they didn't go water cooled. Of course the thing is so heavy & yjat would add more weight.
I know this is an old vid, but I think you made the right choice.
I don’t own one but if I was going to tour on a bike the gold wing would be my choice to
Howdy. I have watched this many times and I should have listened to you back in 2018. I looked at the same bikes you did, with one difference. I looked at the K1600GTL, the 18 GW, and the Yamaha Venture TC. I chose the K16. I love the bike. I really do. BUT…The lack of dealerships, cost of ownership, and the not so easy nature of self maintenance. I do love the power, the smooth ride, the quick detachable luggage. Great bike. But I am now looking at selling it and putting all of the money towards a 2023 Honda GW Tour DCT (w/ adaptive cruise control 🤞).
I ride my bikes year round and as daily commuters. I need the luggage space, heated seats/grips, cruise control, lockable luggage, power windscreen, etc.
I think the cost of ownership and lack of a dealer network is what has kept me from going the BMW route.
I watched this video with a smile on my face because I also owned a 2007 GL1800. I also owned a 2016 BMW R1200 RT, a 2012 Yamaha FJR 1300, various Kawasakis and Hondas and presently own a 2020 H-D Road Glide Special. Out of all those bikes the only one that had problems was the Gold Wing. Handle bar switch lights burning out, switches that stuck as I pushed them in because they were poorly sealed and allowed dirt and bugs into them, and on a cross country trip as I entered CA the little green clips that hold the cables in place started to break requiring me to empty out the trunk to reach the remote actuators so that I could open the left saddle bag, and having to replace the front fork seals twice. Add to that the creaking I heard every time I hit a bump and having to dam near disassemble the entire front fairing just to replace the air cleaner. Then there was the wire insulation wearing through due to the harness not being properly secured. All of this occurring before the bike hit 30K miles. It was the most problematic motorcycle I have ever owned. Granted these problems were not of a major nature they plumb tuckered me out. My Beamer and Harley never had issues. I guess it all depends on what day of the week the bike was made.
One more thing, the Goldwing would overheat every time you didn’t keep your speed above 15 mph.
Bought my DCT 2018 in Feb of 2018. I have had no problems so far. I too looked at BMW and HD. Heck, they were the only ones, along with Honda, that allowed test drives. In the end the choice came down to reliability and dealer network. I can travel most counties and cities and find a Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha dealerships. Not so with BMW. After 12k miles, I am still a happy camper!
Twice the comfort, more features, half the price...a no-brainer indeed.
Twice the comfort, more features, half the price...a no-brainer indeed.
Right on dallas dealer pricing..i bought my last wing from H &W Honda in Marshall and got a big discount, not only on the bike but the accessories...i figure I saved about three at that time.
your comment at the end draws a good conclusion, "it's for the performance oriented rider."
i have the redheaded bastard step child of gold wings you never talk about the 2014/15 Goldwing F6C Valkyrie and i LOVE IT !!
If you buy a Harley, you also have to figure in the cost of maintaining your beard! ...and your neighbors will all hate you when you fire it up!
A question I thought of last Tuesday when I was in N. Fl just off 27 n 41 at the bluse springs camp ground , trying to ride the one mile SUGAR SAND road back to the springs. How will the NEW 2018+ DCT Goldwing do in Sugar Sand with Trac Control??? has anyone tried it yet. My 09 1200LT BMW was not happy trying to go through a foot at times of sugar sand. N yes I did drop the bike twice, luckly I was goin very slow through the biggest s sections of sugar....Turtle
Never heard of Sugar Sand.
@@cruisemansgarage open a few packets of Sweet n Low on a table top. in one pile, now slide a spoon into it from the side. lololol, anyway sugar sand is as fine a sand you can find. the beaches in Sarasota Co Fl are renowned for there sugar sand beaches. it is very hard to walk in (or on) and unless wet, impossible to drive in or thru. Making it even worse on a touring motorcycle with Fat touring tires..
If Harley made an automatic transmission, there’d be a different ballgame..
how about Honda seats suck dirty ass box ? did they tick it ? did you ? did you drive it 500 miles ?
I used to be resistent about the DCT model, but I decide to take a chance also and got a 2018 goldwing tour DCT. So far I'm pleased.
You mention my concern about Harley is the cost of ownership!
Just as every other tour bike, passengers are assumed to have no arms. Where the hell are the arm rests???
I came here for bike reviews and there is a man blabbering about his healthcare...
Thanks for the info. I am looking to purchase a new Goldwing in Spring of 2020. Probably a left over 19 model.
Have/did you test ride the manual version for a long distance before you purchase the DCT. If so, any onsite would be helpful.
Thanks
I have not ridden the manual transmission, but I would like to.
I did ride a DCT version for about 7-8 miles.
Liked it ok, but still think I want a manual. I live in Pgh Pa so it is going to be difficult finding a dealer with a demo bike near me. I looked on Honda's website for dealers with Demos, only found a couple dealers with them, and they were DCT.
Thank you.
Post a video if you get the chance to ride one. Would like to see hear your take on it.
Cruiseman
Your videos are very informative thank you. Can you recommend Honda dealers that offer great prices & have large inventories. In New York the Honda dealers have limited stock.
Thank you
I wish I could offer advice. Nobody has much inventory right now and everyone is selling at MSRP, I think.
@@cruisemansgarage ok seems that the current situation however I thought the way the economy is heading their would be deals out there. Thanks & Happy Thanksgiving!!!
Thanks for the discussion, Cruiseman! I appreciate all the information. The only things holding me back from buying are the GPS, small luggage compartments, and the seat (an easy fix). Also, I hate how the saddlebags open up to the side rather than the top. Again, thank you much for all your videos.
I have never had bags that opened on top, but I can see how that would be a really nice feature, especially on the left side!
Gotta love Honda!
Please just tell us about the motorcycle
I felt the same, not a fan of O care , but this is supposed to be a M/C review.
Looking forward to that Hulu review - looks like it would save me $150/month just on the tv part of my cable bill.
I really wanted the road glide, but the Milwaukee 8 issues put me off. As did the typical sales bs at my long time Harley shop. My '19 Tour DCT is a pleasure to ride, unlike my (still) '15 Ultra Limited. And, 4K UNDER Msrp, unlike HD's Msrp +, like you have to pay extra for the 'privilege' of owning a Harley. Done with them.
I chose a used Harley because their are thousands available in the tri-state area. Which meant I could find one with low mileage, lots of add-ons, etc. When I bought it the new Gold wing had just hit. So no used ones yet. The BMW had tons of bad maintenance issues posted on forums.
I love my 1991 Goldwing GL1500 SE Anniversary edition ( 250,000 km/ 160,000 miles and counting ). I have done nothing to it but tires, oil and fluids.
Tons of storage, amazing for 2 up riding, and runs like a new bike. I can still ballance a coin on the engine case when I start the bike and it doesn't move.
Keep up the great videos
What does Obama have to do with a Honda Goldwing?
I bought a 2021 Goldwing DCT (and named it~ Undeniable), because it's the undeniable truth. I traded my 2019 Harley-Davidson Limited in after owning it for only 2 months. I took the Goldwing out for a test ride and came back and told the salesman, "I HAVE to have it !!" Because the ride and performance was far superior to anything I had ever ridden on, or ever owned. Keep up the great work Cruiseman !!
When I started riding again four and a half years ago, I went through four Harley's before dumping them for a new Indian Chieftain. 8 months after that, I saw the newly redesigned Goldwing and took a loss on the Indian to get on a Goldwing Tour DCT and it's my Goldilocks bike. I love it. The Harley's I started with, three new and one used, taught me that, in my opinion, Harley is riding on its reputation to sell bikes while producing sub-standard motorcycles. One of them died while accelerating into a busy intersection with only 200 miles on it. It's ECM burned up! I truly thought they were crap and went to Indian. Much better for a V-Twin. If I were to ever go back to a V-Twin, it would be Indian. Hands down. But, I'm an egg-suckin' dog now in that since discovering the Goldwing and that incredible engine and its DCT, I'll never go back to blap-blap-blap thigh burners.
I have a thigh-burner (H-D) and the experience is GETTING OLD.
*Blap-Blap-Blap Thigh Burners!* I am a re-entry rider, and have owned my road king for less than 3 weeks, but already shopping it around. I am past my "nostalgia" phase now, and ready for a Goldwing, again.
Just another opinion! I bought a 1984 G W which was an ok bike , other than a horrible seat & HEAT issues due to the radiator location . As you say they have gotten better, due to the current radiator location. Since 1987 , I have ridden H D exclusively. Now we get to the point of discussion. I have totaled in the last 30 plus years over 500, 000 miles on H D. Heat is a subjective issue , but reliability is personal. In all those years & miles, the only time I was stranded on the road was due to a flat tire. I have crossed the USA several times, riding both Interstate & secondary roads. I feel HD has gotten an unfair black eye over recent recalls [clutch , which I had it done but the offending part was not on my bike ,nor had the dealer done any that did have the bad part. I am open minded & am thinking Honda , due to the fact that the local Honda dealer is much closer to my home. [30 miles ] My issues with H D may be due to my age as I resent their trend to these overwhelming sound systems !! I don't think loud mufflers or loud sound systems make a good impression on the public. As with politics , it's easy t o quote unknown sources . [ Several people have reported ? I guess I am revealing my age . ] Thanks for your time , but I was looking for a more comprehensive review of the G W.
Very helpfull. I've been wondering about a Goldwing or a BMW and I thjink you've hit the nail on the head as to why the Goldwing is better. You just know with Honda you will get reliability. I've had BMWs and yes they were great but I did get let down a few times. Nothing hugely major, I think the worst was when a selector pawl broke in my gearbox once. OK I could still ride the bike to the dealership stuck in third gear by run starting it, so I didn't have to get recoverd but it was still a pain. Other issues were all very minor but nonetheless annoying. So I think Hond wins! Thanks Cruisman.
I have a BMW R1200RT as my daily rider. Love it. BUT, I also love my 2018 Goldwing. My Beemer has 40,000 miles with zero problems (so far). We’ll see what happens ~ DJT 😁
I was a former owner of 4 wings in the past until I switched to BMW K1600 GTL as I was just simply bored with Goldwing. K1600 became what Goldwing never was, more nimble, more precise with handling, faster and just more fun to ride but when new Wing was lunched I took it for a test ride and I liked it a lot, not so fast as beemer but fast enough, great breaks, good handling and wind protection but for now I was very disappointed with luggage capacity, In the future I will be definitely considering Goldwing as potential buy. As far as cost of maintenance cost it is kind of relative as it depends how much you do yourself. I do all maintenance myself including valve check up which is labor intensive. Beemer is not that difficult to work on as some people think, air filer replacement is for example a lot easier in BMW than in Goldwing. What makes BMW more expensive are parts, usually 30-40% more than Honda and I think high mileage will be more expensive on BMW when it comes to replacing some parts, in this scenario Wing will be just cheaper to fix.
1.34 in and I am upset already, you say it is 79 degrees and not to humid and you love riding in the COOL ........ Hell that is a scorcher for some of us you don''t know how lucky you are, we have had heavy rain and winds here in the UK since I got home from holiday last week and what I would give to have some TEXAS COOL. Rant over now and back to your Vlog
I have owned two HD's a 1979 Low Rider which I absolutely Loved! The second was a 1982 HD FLH which I also enjoyed very much! But after taking many years off the MC's due to kids coming into the picture. My first Honda was a Mini Trail I think it was an early to mid-seventies model my Dad gave me. Back in 2015 I purchased a 2012 GL1832 and Loved it very much. But when I saw the new GL1833 I feel in Love with it! I read and researched the model before they became available. As soon as I could I went to our local power sports dealer and placed cash down for the DCT Tour. Since then I am a very happy owner! Ride Safe!
Question, I understand the wing is a “touring” bike, but heres the question. Is this bike good for a non touring bike? I won’t be doing much touring, more of a commuter, grocery getter, fun weekend ride bike. I am bothered by the small top case, I really just want it for a place to put the helmets. Kinda drawn to the G-Wing for reliability, comfort for the wife, but also to hit some twisties for a little fun. And yes I understand its not a sport bike. Just looking for an all around bike.
I have spoken to Ultimate for six months and every month they have told me the same thing. And I quote "very soon." I am not waiting on anything for my Harley. I have added fog lights, led lights front and rear, and added updated maps for my GPS. All was done in half a day. The RG does not run or sound like a sewing machine but it does pulse and feel like a thoroughbred. I do not have to make any apologies or excuses. GW owners are forced to wait and hope and explain.
Great video cruiseman, I am sold on the pre 2018 Goldwing. Because, like you said, the trunk space is not there. And I know you made a video about corbin with the aftermarket truck lid to give you more room. But I don't want to have to keep buying aftermarket to make it what it was. So I will keep on my search for the perfect 2005- 2012 and also that 1997 SE 1500. Keep up the great videos and keep the shiny side up.
You hit it. I couldn't stand sitting over that hot engine on the Harley. No heat on my legs on the Goldwing. As far as the Tech/ Bluetooth etc.. I don't use any of it. All I use is a smart phone and Cardo head set with JBL speekers in my helmet. Voice command, Navigation, Sound ... Its all better then Honda's on board Sound and Navigation.
Hello just letting you know I didn’t get to hook up with you this week. But I did get to do some demonstration rides on the new GW trike 2times and a HD tri glide. I came a heartbeat away from getting the GW. I felt so comfortable with the DCT it’s amazing. I will get one in the spring I’m hooked. DFW Honda was great no pressure because the bikes sell themselves. Thanks for your help
Awesome stuff Cruiseman thinking about getting a Goldwing 2018 would be nice have to be used really do not want to do that. so i hope i can find a new 2019. i need that DCT my hands are getting bad. so will see.
You made some good points on here. Especially, about air cooled V twins putting off a LOT of heat.
As far as Yamaha putting a V4 in the new Venture....maybe but a water cooled V twin makes more sense to me. That Vmax makes plenty of power but it is a gas guzzler. It's also much more expensive to manufacture and that would simply be passed onto the consumer. One of the selling points of the new Venture is its price point compared to the competition.
I did not purchase a new 2018 Goldwing, because my 08 is paid for, it is far from wore out, it has been the most all around satisfying bike I’ve owned, and I just could not justify the trade up, for a few better features. Having said that, as much as I like the stying of the new ‘wing, the reduced luggage space is an issue. Thanks to my oversized head, we can barely fit two full face helmets in the trunk now. Even then it is akin to solving one of those Chinese puzzles. So going to a smaller space does not make sense. In time, if I should decide to upgrade, the new Goldwing will be at the top of my list of choices.
I love the Yamaha and I thought the same thing about if they put the vmax motor in it I’d buy it. I wouldn’t be afraid of the new Harley motors though