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Something unique about TCOBO, Gozen and Rivalry that no other floodgates have, is the fact that those are not only floodgates, but they can also break boards as well because you have to send monsters to “fix the board.” not saying whether or not other floodgates should get hit, but it’s definitely something to consider
that's one of the reasons, oddly enough that skill drain is in a sense more okay than them.
skill drain doesn't prevent you from playing the monsters themselves and there's ways to cheat that even which at least to me makes it more reasonable.
however it doesn't excuse how powerful and all encompassing it is as a floodgate, just a shower thought when comparing floodgate powers.
TCBOO* but yeah, it's really annoying when you have some response for gozen, tcboo, or rivalry, then they chain a countertrap to that response. You could have 10000 more responses, but unless one of them is a counter trap, you've been rolled.
Snake eyes players need to feel what earth machine players do and draw their box
Really the worst pain
Also Unclaspare, urgent schedule on first turn and none of your normal summons, true pain .
Hero players Drawing Increase
I hate this box so very much xD
“We’re past the point of hitting the ROTA”
Meanwhile ROTA is at 1
ROTA isnt a once per turn,
Rota isn’t once per turn
Fossil Dig at 3 without OPT says a lot about an entire type of monsters in yugioh
@@wolfwoodstyleblue3946 They could have erratad it ages ago and brought it back to 3.
@@MomirViggwilv still probably couldn't. Warrior level 4 searches are pretty broad and a ton of archetypes get their own searchers as well. If it searched a lesser common type, it would be an easy unban.
Completely agree about sharvara. Unchained received an harsh treatment for one and only one reason: money
Konami only kills decks when they are budget options. Basically, if you are poor, you get punished, if your deck is expensive it will last longer.
Yep. Fenrir (Ultra rare) vs Pankratops (Common). Guess which one got hit.
Super Heavy Samurai’s… smh bring Scarecrow to 1
Purrely same one week afyer it came out right away...
This is one reason why players and vendors should stop going to events as well as buy Yu-Gi-Oh product of some form or shape (like digital including) because Konami isn't gonna change their business strategies when there's no issue with it from their perspective.
Mathmech Circular. Yes, the card is absurdly powerful, but the deck never won any YCS yet it got first limited and then banned.
I think an additional card that they should hit is king calamity. They already hit it in the ocg, and it's just a really toxic card
Yah, but T.G. support and Centurion is relatively new, and I don't think those decks do much without Calamity (they are barely topping even with it tbf).
Agreed, i play centurion and the fire decks don't let me even get near to making calamity without blowing up/banishing my whole board before i can even do shit. they are toxic not calamity because at least calamity has conditions do be summoned and crimson dragon loses to imperm. 4 hand traps doesn't touch the fire BS
@@arobnugzo6818 Yes, but for the future of card design, it should be hit. True Kings Calamities is banned, why not have RDA Calamities go through the same fate? Also, core themes in decks that rely on such cards like the Calamity monsters are an immediate red flag to how the design of them has some flaws or is just not enough to see rouge play at the very least which is Konami's fault for not seeing that through.
A running theme to their flaws of designing archetypes are not being designed for pure or not enough monsters and/or Spell/Traps to play them purely, not enough of payoffs or an overall strength to playing them, also what goes along with that is relying on strong to broken and easily accessible cards outside of them in order for them to even function better an be at their most playable, not enough support for the general identification of cards within them (Type, Attribute, Level/Rank, Spell/Trap Types) to help support them more, and lastly having certain pieces of them become generic engines or techs unintended to support many other archetypes and archetype combinations that ends up getting more powerful than what they belong in.
Konami should stick to making pure archetypes powerful and consistent on their own, THERE I SAID IT!! There wouldn't be such problems of this nature if greed didn't plague them to ruin what they've accomplished and pull bias to the archetypes they make.
Also consider this: you can chain block Calamity. Did that to my friend recently with Tear, yes, Tear does it relatively easily but, simply by using turn player priority you can force Calamity to miss timing since it's a *WHEN* Effect which actually makes it balanced. If you start talking about possible negates in addition you're talking about what else the Deck using Calamity can do, Centurion currently can't really build up that much (from what i've seen) otherwise but yeah, just my take on the Calamity Situation
There was a good opportunity when centurion was hype but unfortunately they didn't take it so we gotta wait until it starts being a problem again
the puppet's problem is that it locks you even if it's removed. Other stuff like iIo or Jowgen are more manageable
For those that believe Konami can't ban cards because they're getting a reprint, Branded Expulsion was reprinted in the tins AFTER it had already been banned.
Yes but that was a common so no one cared
@@haroutkayabalian8591 no one cared about it because it was already banned, rarity has nothing to do with it besides giving Konami more incentive to ban it
Apo is a major selling point of the set at the moment though
@@solobugg5087There is a big difference between a common reprint at a commun to fill a quota of common in a tin box, and a popular staple card that have been annouced to be reprint with an alt art in multiple rarity. They will never ban a card that have been annouced in the second version of there most succesful set release
@@ducky36FApo isn't really expensive though I rather they ban baron tbh but that's just me
To answer your question at 1:32, "How do you hit the fire deck without killing it?"
Simple: You don't do consistency hits like limiting starters etc, you hit one of it's end board pieces, so the maximum possible power level decreases.
Apollo, Baron etc, simply finally ban one or more of them and we're good.
I think banning an extender makes more sense, such as flamberge
@@berkgurel3514 when extenders are banned, the consistency drops, not the power ceiling. This means that the deck is still just as broken when it gets to do it's thing, but does it less often.
This means that the average winrate of the deck across large sample sizes drops, but it doesn't change how the deck is played, or palyed against. It is still just as frustrating. A toxic or "unfair" deck doesn't become less toxic or unfair, it just gets to be terrible 6/10 games instead of 7/10.
The same drop in average winrate can be accomplished by banning endboard pieces. However, in this case, the toxicity/"unrairness"/opressiveness of the deck is lowered, translating into a major improvement of the gameplay experience against the deck in 100% of cases.
This is also true for the player using the deck. I'd rather have a worse endboards than brick 50% more often, because "Non-games2 where you brick or one handtrap ends your turn are just the worst.
Since this is a ame and games are meant to be enjoyable, banning extenders is, as a rule of thumb, almost always an objectively worse option than banning end board pieces.
Lastly, banning ED staples will make deckbulding more interesting and introduce more innovation and variation into the game.
@@berkgurel3514 Flamberge banned completely obliterates the deck.
@@Disappointed_Philosoraptor I disagree. I'll simply point back to Dark Magician of Chaos. The card was still busted, even when you took away all of its goodies.
The extra deck staples aren't the problem. The problem is what gets a player there. And yes, when you reduce the consistency to sack-tastic levels, players will generally move to more consistent decks which may be more fair.
@@Disappointed_PhilosoraptorA flamberge ban would definitely effect how the deck plays and is played against. The deck loses its way to play around/through nibiru as well as the ability to place non snake eye monsters in the spell/trap zone.
Out of left field, but…Lunalight Tiger to 3?
C’mon, we’re not hurting anybody…
The thing about limiting snash is that not only is a consistency hit is also a hit to the grind game. Going original put back anything, get ash, is full combo in turn 3
Yeah that's what I think if snash or poplar to 1 and Original Sin go to 1 the deck is still consistent enough pure that it won't stop the deck from playing consistently but it will do 2 things make clear pain points and lower the decks recovery and grindgame
@@cuttlefish6839 I think snash to 1 and wanted to 2 are good hits to the fire deck without killing it
I think they'll go for the extra deck over the main deck for now, diabellstar hasn't seen it's full support yet.
At most I reckon flamberge will see a limit, and then some hits like Zealantis or Linkuriboh
For Snake-Eye hits, limiting or semi-limiting the +1's in Snake-Eye is the best option imo as it would be much more fairer to handtraps, and would use up much more resources.
THANK YOU for saying that about Apollousa and Baronne. I’m so effing sick of seeing those cards in like 75% of decks, especially Baronne
I know right? Whenever I go against SS in MD I find it annoying how they casually just summon Barrone before or without hitting a wyrm summon restriction. Sure, she’s a 1 time omni negate, but that’s still huge regardless.
I feel like baronne is needed for non-meta strategies by giving them a generic synchro with a strong effect which isn't out of order. Even though it's not an omni-negate, I feel like Apollousa kills entire decklists, often having 4 monster negates in a turn.
@@mick727xdBarrone should absolutely exist imo especially for decks that have terrible boss monsters biggest example being Manaddium. I think it's dumb to hate generic negates for the sole reason being that they're generic and see tons of use. Appolousa though should definitely be banned links should hardly ever have negate effects imo and have 3-4 negates in a single monster shouldn't be a thing
@@mick727xd someone that use a rogue deck that rely only on a generic powerful monster outside its archetype should think "why should i play my favourite deck if at the end it's just an engine?"
I really hope they ban Barrone. There are so many cool synchro tens that are overshadowed by baronne’s mere existence
I think the logic with unchained was that woth berserk archfiend coming out the deck would be able to go into caesar much sooner to stop nib and bystials while still being able to summon tour guide for full combo
If meta decks could leave Jet alone for FIVE minutes
All the rulers and super rejuvenation are at three in master duel.
Psure you definitely just ban original sinful spoils.
Allows every other card in the engine to stay untouched, snake eye can still bridge into diabellestar through dramatic snake-eye chase and then use diabellestar to setup disruption via silvera which then innately sets up follow-up when witch revives herself on opponents turn after being sent with silvera. Snake eye now just loses its way bridge into every other fire engine as well as loses witch as a starter but I don't think 12 1 card starters is healthy to begin with.
Bruh
Ur a genius
And its an ultra so theres a monetary incentives
I would say ban black witch, and the field spell. Maybe poplar to 1. I think it’s much more manageable after that
@@alphagg2411they can't ban Diabellestar due to her being the center of the current lore, and every archetype is designed around her
This is the best play for sure.
I've been saying this since snake-eye decks became a problem. It lets diabellestar and snake-eye stick around whilst also shutting down the broken tier 0 diabelle snake eye/fire king lists.
What about miscellanosaurus?
All I want is Lunalight Tiger back to 3
"Will they hit fire deck?"
Nah, i don't think they will. Watch as they set up snake-eye fire king vs tenpai dragon for next format.
Bring it back prank kids!
it’s as if a tier zero or 1 deck format is bad…..
why werent people calling for baroone and bow goddess hits a long time ago, feels like comp players just dont like that everyone has an affordable copy so its a even play field now. the actual problem is how many decks can get to those two so quickly
Yugitubers and "pro" players always want to ban the affordable good cards that a lot of decks can access (generic) and they want "good decks with in-engine broken cards" because they KNOW, just like snake eyes, only pro players are going to be able to afford those decks and be able to compete. Unfortunately TCG is a very top 1% mindset, they act like they want the game to be really competitive and high skill yet they don't want players to have access to the same tools as them.
As a mannadium player, a baronne ban would hurt, but I'm not against it.
It would force the deck into making borreload savage, which is decently worse, in addition to forcing us to find a new way to get into Dis Pater.
Admittedly that would probably just be Meek + astraloud into the icejade synchro, which I do on occasion in the first place.
If nothing else it could _potentially_ force me to decide between 2 omni negates or protection and a banish, an omni negate, a monster negate/pop, and a double hand rip with omega.
I say potentially because it'd probably be just as possible to do all of that anyways, although it would definitely take some new routing to set up BS first.
Baronne should've been treated same like Chevalier in the first place,need Fleur monster as summon material
Generic boss monster with too good ability should be reduced
If baronne need Fleur Synchron as material at least can make it more balanced because its harder to summon than generic
I mean, an omni-negate is still an omni-negate.
Savage is still a really good card, just like Baronne. The reason its busted here is because you're tagging out of Savage into Baronne.
@@four-en-tee I won't deny that. What makes it different though is that it doesn't have a targeting pop, it doesn't destroy on negation, and the negate isn't immediately active on summon.
In addition to that it also plays worse into super poly with both it and dis pater being dark/dragon.
@@four-en-teesavage is notably worse than Barrone simply because you need to have set up a link in grave first to equip to it, compared to Barrone’s immediate threat of negation.
Not to say savage is a terrible card, but it definitely is noticeably less flexible than Barrone
Would putting IP:Masq on either limited or banned? Not really sure but I feel like it would shake something up right? Especially with some plays with promethian princess, apollusa, and s:p.
That albion dragon idk how its specail summons back on the board works can somebody explain
Shifter will never get touched bc it’s a card that keeps crazy combo decks in check and it helps rogue strategies. It’s not like Max C which not only kept combo decks in check but also ANY DECK could play it, unlike shifter which only certain strategies can play it.
This is such a fucking stupid argument. No it doesnt keep shit in check it just FTK´s a big portion of all decks in the game. its literally just a win button for certain bad decks and Kashtira that can afford to play it.
How much does Konami gain with the secondary market? Because banning some expensive cards can be a help to regulate the prices, if players have to expect the used money could be gone with the next list...
Ive always thought that Jet Synchron was too strong to come back and i totally agree with the Apo and Baronne bit
A list like this might make be come back to locals and IRL play.
Sanctifire makes me annoyed with Konami, because it gives Branded much needed resilience to certain board breakers. If the summon was more restricted from your own GY it would be completely fine, but instead of that, they made Expulsion 2.
I really like the main deck snake eye engine. Just hit the extra deck cards like zealantis and raging phoenix
A big part of the pure PK end board is apollousa. I switched my strategy to ending on Dark rebellion with rank up magic force set. That way I get a Bardiche pop on my opponents turn and 3 monster negates with Requiem, which destroys unlike Apollousa, and is not once per chain. I wouldn’t be too upset if Apo got banned.
I would Semi-Limit every Snake-Eyes and Sinful Spoils card just to see if it does anything, and if doesn't and new product isn't selling, I would give Snake-Eyes and Fire King the Ishizu Tear treatment. Plain and simple.
Edit: Also Limit Powersink Stone as it can be both Summon Limit AND Skill Drain in 1 card.
Edit 2: Ban Engage, Widow Anchor, Shark Cannon, Shizuku, Kagari, and Hayate. Kill Sky Striker already.
Edit 3: Ban Zeus first, then bring back Drident.
Edit 4: I almost forgot to mention limiting every single handtrap in the game since those cards hinder deck creativity to some degree.
brilliant fusion, master plan, mermaid, goblin on 1!
I think your consistency hits are good.
i dunno. we are gonna limit anti spell but then get Diabellze of the Original Sin literally the next set.
That deck needs the tearlaments treatment to some degree
Eventually the hits I want to see are like, original ban, etc. Right now I would just prefer to kill pure and make fire a splashable engine, I think to do that it's probably ban flamberge, the cards are still bodies that provide value but now nib is more impactful and you don't get to take advantage of temple as hard? Another option is banning oak? Haven't put too much thought into that one but that is an interesting idea to me.
Honestly, I think I:P Masq should be in the discussions of cards that should be hit. It gives Link-based decks that can make it perhaps too much disruptive capability, and the printing of cards like S:P show that I:P will still get better the more strong Link monsters get printed arrive. It's also not a coincidence how Snake-Eyes loves I:P and that tends to be the card Flamberge puts into the backrow
That's one way to weaken the snake eye board with IP ban
please god ban IP, but not before I milk the topic in a future video :SmugBuki:
Memes aside, 100% on board with you. Its how you fix the deck without murdering Snake-Eye's viability.
Scrubby take but ok
I've been saying since the first time I read S:P, that I:P is going to die for that girl's sins.
Poplar ban will solve a lot even tho i love the deck and I think it is very fun deck especially in mirrors
Kitkalos back would cause chaos
Tear gonna come and put them fire decks to bed.
and i'm here for it lol
@@kidcuidi1 tiaraments strongest.
Just Bring Back misc to 3 and a other Deck would appear again
@stonehitter no it wouldn't
Whats your opinion on Rollback? I'd take Anti spell over that card any day. If Konami would print proper traps that can be activated from the Hand but do more when set first it would greatly enable Turn 0 plays while still making those cards attractive when going turn 1. This would make: Backrow floodgates weaker, Turn 2 more attractive and the using your resources more risky. 90% of Decks who get to set up during turn 1 play during turn 2 aswell so why not finally enable the player who goes second, instead they print transaction rollback which gives combo decks a way to floodgate and is custom made for Labrynth. But i haven't been playing for that long (again) so i'm not sure if my opinion is just inexperienced
If we're talking about removing generic boss monsters like apo/baronne, then I think it's about damn time accesscode gets the boot too. That card singlehandedly deals with virtually every card in the game AND pushes for game.
Can we get rid of Zeus while we're at it?
@@shapular imo Zeus is a perfect card for the limited list. One-time comeback that you can't build the entire deck around it like Zoodiac.
@@babradI just think multiple non-once per turn board wipes off of any 2 monsters with the same level is a bit much. I play MD where it's already limited but he's still pretty OP.
@@shapularits only 1 wipe unless u get 4 mats. Need to dedicate 3 ED slots for that off of two generics
@@shapular That requires 3 ED slots to do which is a steep cost a lot of decks can’t afford these days.
Also, the best way to hit it without killing it is to just make it weaker to hand traps. Limiting ash and flamberge and banning original would be very huge and still leave the deck in solid tier one status but also give other decks a chance to compete with it
Well, I couldn't agree more, and I believe many others from the professional scene like Joshua wouldn't differ that much from this scenario. The problem (and problem-solver, it very much looks like it's creating problems to sell the solution afterwards, at this point) resides within Konami. If Snake-Eyes was a cheaper meta deck, there would be almost no qualms with the upcoming banlist hits (if they happen), just like Sharvara going to 1 was even taken as necessary at that point with not that big backlash.
My perfect endstate for Baronne is not a ban, but an errata that gives it the Goyo Guardian treatment: make it require a wind tuner or wind materials. It’ll still be playable, but suddenly so much more niche than before
i think that's still too easy wind plant would be better.
Shifter kills the best deck so limiting it right now is once again another smooth brain take for joshua
keeping Shifter in the game is smooth brain. Learn to play the game and don´t really on a quick effect instant win button
This is a horrible take. Unless the best deck can also play through shifter, it will ALWAYS KILL THE BEST DECK.
Shifter defenders are even more smooth brain. But tbh im not sure there's much brain there if you defend shifter in any way
rescue ace shouldnt have been limited
Just ban the snake eyes field spell. It allows too much follow up after already setting a strong board and puts your opponent in a weird game state where they have to decide when and whether they want to summon a monster. Banning the field spell lets them still have strong boards but not have infinite follow up afterwards if you break it.
Chaos space and striker at two, límited chaotic ruler and guardragon elpy
Flamberge to 1 is interesting for sure
Though the new snake-eye diabellstar allows them to play 1 so maybe it’s not the best hit long term
It effects pure but does little to nothing to FK on its own
Flamberge to 1 is probably the only direct snake-eyes hit I could ever expect from Konami by this point. Everything else you mentioned is more like a quality of life change to be honest. Maybe Jet Synchron like you mentioned as another, but I would expect nothing else. I never expected them to hit those awful floodgates, so if they chose to limit them all then that would be cool but also I just don't know why they didn't hit them last time (though to be fair I don't know why they would have hit them at all if they didn't hit all of the worst ones).
I don't think they care about the lock out stuff like the gimmick puppet lock for Branded at all. If they did, they would have set a special summon restriction during the card design process.
I would love to see those generic negate boss monsters banned, but Konami has never hit them up to this point so honestly I expect them to be around forever. So many people hate them and left the game due to them both from boss monsters and hand traps, but it seems like they truly don't care since the bottom dollar has not be affected enough to make a drastic change in that direction. Besides, even if Apo and Baronne were banned there are so many others.
"I understand Appo is in rarity collection 2, but that is not good reasoning to me."
Regardless of whether it is good reasoning or not, Konami main focus is profit at the end of day, and even if it doesn't make sense to you, Konami definitely wouldn't care.
That being said, Baronne is more than likely getting the axe since it already fufill it's service. Being a highly sought after card, and being in the first wave of RC. Now, after RC2 then we could talk about Appo, but until then it is safe to say she's safe from the banlist.
this its always when a 100€ card goes to below 10€ range its a warning sign.
Why is my Red Rose Dragon still at one?
I think they need to order a factory recall on all snake eyes and diabellstar cardd
I think floodgates should be categorized into two camps : one’s that require commitment from the strategy’s end board, such as Kaiser colosseum and skill drain, and one that literally can be flipped over right after vomiting out a screw off board with no effect on the strategy, e.g. royal oppression or summon limit. Because group 2 absolutely desires to be deleted from the card pool forever, but playing around skill drain or a floodgate on a smaller body from a midrange deck without multiple generic negate bosses, strikes me as valid interactive Yugioh.
Speaking of negate bosses, yeah I don’t think I’ve ever seen a board with Apollosa that wasn’t some degenerate screw off board, so she occupies the design space of Mass Driver, never seeing play unless it’s something completely degen. Definitely ban her at the least.
Yeah but Konami also made Pendulum Magicians unplayable the first YCS with them and peoples cases just got cracked so they DO NOT care about that. Also, if they murder fire they have to make other adjustments to the meta that they are not very good at so balancing makes more sense.
Better to Errata santifire so it negates the opponent monster and maybe makes albaz fusion without discard
dodged Calamity like the plague
I think a good way to hit the fire decks is to ban Original Sinful Spoils. I think it makes Diabellstar and Wanted much less powerful but not useless. It's also much harder to get to either the other half of your fire deck or to the Jet Synchron. Might be too strong of a hit but it might be the only hit the deck needs. That or ban Flamberge...
At this point they just have to choose a single snake-eyes card to ban and leave the rest of the archetype untouched. If they just limit stuff around then the deck will still be tier 0 but the mirror will be 100 times worse since it will be more prone to "whoever draws better wins".
Limiting flamberge is going to be pretty good though, honestly. Prevents set-up of the Nib follow-up and banishing it via called by/crow/soul release etc limits what the deck can do in a grind game. Banning any new card and neutering the deck is a great way to anger your consumers who invested a lot of money into the deck.
Ban original. Pure Snake Eyes can still do the 1 care Temple, Flamberge, I:P combo.
Ban IP too. I think it provides a bit too much disruption to links
@@traplover6357 Not going to happen. Konami specifically printed a lot of level 1 fires for older archetypes to work with Original. If anything Flamberge will be the one to get the axe.
Limit - Bonfire, snake eye ash, poplar and Princess. I genuinely think that’s enough to make the deck less powerful and although it’s a consistency hit it just makes them more vulnerable to more hand traps which I think would eventually change the play style of the deck anyway. When people realise that particularly pro players! They will innovate. It’s like when Pak won a YCS with board breaker unchained because he knew everyone was gunna be on hand traps .
Also agree that making the floodgates and shifter at one is more than acceptable
I think it is too many limits on fire decks, they don't need to hit so hard the core of a strategy to make it fair, but you know what would make the game better instantly?
Banning these 2 cards, baronne and apollousa because they are basically the endboard of most combo decks, way to easy to make in most decks that can spam monsters.
Did Snake Eyes drop Amblowhale? Why not ban it?
Diagram to 3. Let me play Voiceless True Draco 😡
with going 1st deck became more powerful each year yet they still keep all floodgates around is something
Josh how do u see original banned? Way too much for a hit?
wouldn't introducing an old contender like tear a good idea if we don't want to hit snake eye? (yes, I am biased)
Called by the grave to 3
Shifter has been carrying decks for years lol, floo rode shifter to tier 3 multiple times
Personally I think if they ban Original it would force the deck to change and adapt. It reduces the utility of witch and poplar but still leaves the identity of the deck in tact
They won’t do anything to touch the utility of Diabellstar. She has plot armor. Snake Eye is more likely to get the axe since their lore arc is over.
I think Flamberge to 1 would just make the Fire King Deck better then the pure deck.
And everybody would need to run two princess.
Not sure if it would change much.
Wannted and Ash to one would be allright. Would also make the deck more budget
Isnt this the 2nd banlist since the wanted engine came, so they might just limit that
You forgot to unleash Arise-heart and Kitkallos
Seems that the trend is to limit floogates...
So why not Mystic Mine limited ?
Why nobody makes an banlist based on "which hits helps the new product"
I think that is super realistic to make an presiction like that
Where is he ........... Mr calamity
Maybe Konami should follow the OCG and print cards in more rarities and they wouldn't be worried about the players' wallet when they have to banned/limit cards that are too strong. They make the whole deck secret rare then cannot hit the deck because of player investment. They created their own problem.
Branded Expulsion was banned and they still reprinted it in the 23 Tins
All of this is fair, but I personally wouldn't want apo or baronne to go away cause I just returned to the game after having left when they were too expensive for me to play and would like a chance to use them myself.
From a Dino stand point. Banning baronne would make ground xeno play pointless. Banning linkuriboh changes our combos and makes it’s harder to get misc or to UCT. All and all, I’m kinda scared what this ban list will do to Dino
I agree about the apo and baron
I think the actual floodgate are fine at 3.
You could consider to put on the banlist the dimension shifter (mainly because is very oppresive) BUT tbf if that card would be banned and we have another format of this fire engine almost untouched would be rough, how you suppose to stop them going first? this is kinda the same scenario when your opponent use droll against you going second in a deck that mainly searches. I dont think they would touch dimension shifter imo.
Playing a 18/21 handtraps in a deck is such a bad game design... and they have to solve this issue.
The only floodgate to ban is indeed anti-spell because is such an oppressive card even more than dimension shifter (not playing spell is horrible one of the core mechanic of the game). Anti-spell is an autowin almost any deck except trap base decks (even trap decks play spell)... your opponent start first set it and you cant do anything about it (unless you chain a quickplay spell in response to it).
No mention of Banning original? That’s like clearly a card that kills FK Snake Eye but keeps Pure Snake Eye more than playable
Pure is doing just as well tho
@@OsirusHandleIt's not going to be as strong with 6 less searchers. Without OSS, diabellestar/wanted no longer represents full snake-eye combo and they have to play alternatives like the pyro rank 4 from agov.
@@king_acceler8755 Fair enough tbh. Diabelstar kinda dies then as a package, but with the new support itll still be playable as its own thing.
Also kills the synchro stuff of pure since you don't have easy jet synchron access
For fire, if you want to somewhat kill snake eyes ban flamberge, if you don’t like the variants ban original SS. I’d take either.
Uncage tear and snake eyes become rouge overnight
prosperity must be limited.
Is a indirect hit to kashtira and floo, wihtout touch cards for thats archetypes.
I’m kinda in camp ban flamberge. Imo, it does too much for the fire deck set ups, from making the link climb ridiculously easy that nib almost isn’t a factor depending on how you play your turn, to adding an interruption in special ip or any other card from the s/t zone, to extension on your opponent’s turn when it goes to grave.
Except for Wanted, which I think won't be touched, it's pretty much a perfect list.
the hill I decide to die on: thrust should be banned. unsearchable one ofs like rota, instant fusion, reborn, duster, foolish burial, etc. are fine and add hype to a game when topdecked. hence the term power spells. but searching them by punishing the opponent for interrupting you is just not healthy. I know it got a reprint recently and I'm not talking about the next banlist but eventually thrust should be banned
yeah apollousa and barrone is ban worthy imo, it enable so much for combo decks, no matter now or in future, and people would play under nib using in middle on combo
Fuck a ban list, make a errata list
Will this be the 1st deck to be hit, without even getting the chance to be played in a European YCS?
Didn't adamancipator get cucked too due to covid?
I wouldnt mind them banning apo or baronne, as long as they give players other alternatives. A deck like tri-brigade for example literally doesnt do anything without apo
Mannadium is already well regulated trust me. Usually you end on 2 interrupts anyway.
Harp to 3 and mermaid to 1.
TRUE
giga based
BRING BACK TOSS
Tbh if mermaid comes back, might as well go to 3 doesn't change from 1 to 3. Would love that wholeheartedly
This is the way. Maybe ban Iblee just in case, but yeah make Orcust the best deck again!
Only way I’d EVER take a hit to Sanct is if we get Albaz lore season 2 and some new support to go with it.
Bonfire to 1 would be so fun for the people that spent so much on it :)
It shouldn't have been an expensive card to begin with tbh. Stupid Konami
Grass and snow unbanned for lightsworn support
Gateway of the six , samurais are irelavent for 10 year now