Created my own S202 and built it since 2001. Power to weight is key for controlling the smile on my face. New chassis with 2.4 turbo, adjustable coilovers, and simple electronics.
If Subaru brought over the Levorg and made it an STI variant …. I’m 100% in …..but that will never happen…. i’m still a little angry about the legacy disappearing, but then again, I can understand if the sales are low..:.
Yep, the Legacy was the start of STI. After the bl/bp or fourth generation the Legacy basically became a large lowered American family CUV(Outback). Not the Japanese sized sporty sedan/wagon. The Levorg is the spiritual successor to the bl/bp Legacy. The funny thing is the sales of the Legacy were decent until they changed it to basically make a bigger more American sized Outback.
It would be SO COOL if they released it with Flex Fuel from the factory. That would be a safe(r) way to make big power without stressing the motor too much.
oof you don't know how wrong your are >< I tuned mitsu evo and subaru ECUs for 8 years ethanol is deadly for engines and most tuners have no idea how to tune for it regular gas starts knocking you know you need to tune down or let the throttle go (if you were smart enough to have a knock sensor or use an ecu knock detection redirect for example on some cars you can make the oil check blink when the ecu thinks it sees knocks) on ethanol you don't if you see knock your engine is already damaged and probably blown most of the times you won't see anything before your valves are pulverized I saw that happen many times, did you think that making more power an much more torque was magic ? you can disagree I won't care one I've seen other tuners maps and even fixed some "enthusiastic" ones who disabled every safeties possible in search of bigger numbers >< two while I stayed on gas and all my friends went ethanol every single one of them blew their engine while mine I sold with 50'000miles even after trying antilag (not for long destroying parts is not my thing I don't have a team replacing them for free)
@@fredEVOIX Every ECU has some sort of knock detection capability. As long as the tuner isn't an idiot and disables the knock sensor, E85 is fine. Plenty of auto manufacturers have factory flex fuel systems - those aren't the source of major problems. Heck - some countries (Brazil) only sell E85 and it hard to find normal gasoline. I never claimed it was magic, but facts are facts. E85 is equivalent to 110 octane fuel, and is MUCH safer (when tuned with a correct AFR, timing, and boost) than pump gas of any octane rating. Sure, there are downsides (MPG), but it isn't going to "blow up" your vehicle for no apparent reason if it's tuned properly.
Unrelated to my other comment, I wanted to say thank you to MrSubaru. If you see this I wanted to let you know that it was because of your content (and humble mechanic) that gave me the confidence to leave a 20 year career in the restaurant industry (that I was very unhappy in) and start a new career as a beginning tech at a Subaru dealership. Its been almost a year now and its been great!! So, again. Thank you so much!
@@MrSubaru1387 I gotta go over there and give him thanks too. I followed his $1500 & $2500 tool cart recommendations and your specific Subaru tool recommendations. And started buying any tools I didn't already have have about 2 years ago as part of my plan to get into a shop. The guys at the shop are great, the Sr Tech is a mountain of knowledge and loves to teach (& his 700 hp blob eye is a work of art) & I've been hammering through my training modules ever since. Folks like you and Charles are doing awesome work and hopefully someday I'll have enough knowledge to help out others too! Pay it forward, so to speak.
Yeah, I would be interested. What would get me into the showroom is that 400+ horsepower, gas not electric, a manual gearbox with either 6 or 8 gears would be just great, serious brakes, adjustable coilovers. What would keep me out of the showroom is a lot of electronics, large glass screen, electronic nannies and having data collection.
Yeah pretty soon your not going to be able to get any car with “Eyesight similar” features. The government is already pushing to make them mandatory like airbags. And large touchscreens aren’t going away unfortunately
@@interceptor7905 I'm not a bot and I'm a lady...and drive a 19 STI. heh An EV STI would be blech! (really don't want a hybrid STI either). And it's gotta have a manual. (but a dual clutch would be better than a cvt)
@@JenniLudes Nice to hear.Didn't want to be mean or anything but I've seen same comments on different channels,bloody robots!When they read this they gonna oil themselves lol
The problem is no one buys the hatchbacks. When they went all in on the hatchback in the GR, sales were really bad and only recovered once the sedan came out in 2011.
@@thehitman8663 yeah they had hatchback in 2008 etc and no one bought it. Yet I see all these comments now referring to an STI hatchback. Maybe demand has changed, and modern buyers prefer hatch (likely true, since all the sales data shows everyone buys SUVs, trucks, and I think hatches sell way higher than sedans now, for new cars). But still, I would prefer a sedan. But the old STI's were very tiny sedans, which had charm for being small lightweight AWD cars. The VA chassis was, the most practical STI, and could comfortably fit 4, but was too big, and was bit of a boat. I might be a very niche buyer, but if they remake the STI, I would 100% prefer a small lightweight AWD sedan. Back to the roots of the car. At the end of the day, the STI is a very niche car, and it never got mass appeal (among the average consumer, even when they tried to make it more appealing with the VA and other models you can argue). Total sales were always low, reflecting it being a niche car. Consumers largely don't want niche sport cars, and it's a competitive segment also despite it being a low volume segment. In Australia for example they only sold 10,000 STI's from 1994 to 2020. So approx. 385 a year average. While the Forester in Australia from 1997 to March 2023 sold 300,000. Which is approx. 11,400+ a year average, so a sales ratio almost 30x. The Forester essentially sells/sold more in 1 year, what the STI sold in its entire history in Australia (almost 3 decades). So any future STI, it will still be a niche car, and the point should be to use in motorsport, and to be a marketing flagship sport car for the brand, so it should be built as a legitimate sports car (motorsport car) from the ground up, day one. Small, lightweight, with excellent chassis and weight distribution etc. Everything they learnt from the BRZ and old STI and more! :) But I might be dreaming. I think they need to add it back to the Impreza also. All of the STI achievement and legacy, is tied to the Impreza. 100% of it. Even all the best model STI's, like the 22B, the Spec C Type RA-R, the best S-series models, the Spec C's, the Type R's, and the Prodrive WRC models, are all Impreza. Even the new Prodrive P25 (most expensive Subaru ever) is Impreza based. STI and WRX nameplates didn't achieve anything post Impreza separation.
@@Jez4prez1No the demand hasn't changed. The vast majority of car guys are broke kids. If they bring back the hatchback the demand would still be the same as the past. All the broke car guys will buy the car 6 years later and ask the same old "why did they stop making X".
If Subaru don't want a possible return of the STi to fail, it would need; *400 HP (at least) *Combustion engine *NO CVT, real GEARS are NEEDED A fully build 2.4T would be more than enough to get to 400 hp. I don't see bringing back a 3.0 or enven 3.6l H6 engine because of emissions. I would love to see this STi come back but really doubt it. Toyota have the Z with 400hp and their hatchback with the Corolla GR with 300hp. 2 models Sybaru COULD have compete. Since Toyota own 40% of Subaru, I doesn't make sense. I would really like to have an STi Crosstrek with the 2.4 turbo engine but I know it won't happen unless I make it built. The hay days of Subaru are sadly OVER.
You do know why right? The original STI chief engineer left subaru in 2013. Then this current one stepped in and ruined the STI and made the hideous 2015 VA - 2021 and now the wrx and he also canceled the STI.
@@ttis3701 I didn't but thanks for the info, I understand now it's what happened with the videogame industry too, the company name is all that remains all the good guys left
Turbo H6 is the only gas powerplant in Subarus lineup that will compete with other high performance motors out now like the B58/S58, DAZA 5 Cylinder, and such. Please no hybrid like the new C63. Brembos, Recaros, and something tuned that makes over 500whp is what they gotta do
Over 500hp? You don’t need 500hp, all you need is around 350-400hp for a relatively light small-medium sized sedan/hatch/wagon with AWD. As matter of fact 300hp would be all you really need but hey it is what it is and that’s just the way the cookie crumbles sometimes which makes me wonder how it keeps it from going under Symmetrical AWD! 4 life! And that’s no lie! So put that on your crack pipe! And then get ready to rumble! Ima about to make you crumble! So if you or any other Jeepy continues getting jiffy the homie sleepy will get you feeling really iffy!
I use a 2022 WRX as a daily driver. I've owned it since new. I'm basically happy with it. Would I like more power? Yes, it's a little underwhelming compared to previous cars I've driven, but a small-bore turbo engine isn't going to give the immediate thrust of a 70's V-8 no matter what you do to it or how many gears it has. I think 400 hp is plenty enough to differentiate it from the "straight" WRX. I prefer the hatchback layout, much more practical than a sedan, and a rear wiper/washer is a must. I'm really using mine as a GT, and I was distressed to find no spare tire. I wasn't pleased with some of the high tech, or maybe why-tech, controls like the turn signals with no detents and the HVAC controls with a thermostat. That's different but not as effective as the analog slider switch I found in my father's 1967 Oldsmobile. Keep it simple for us old line sports car drivers, manual transmission, straight gas engine, no hybrid or electric. I realize you can get good performance out of those but that's not what I want. Minimum weight and crisp responses are the key.
@@steve8803 Considering its reputation in the late 90's and early 2000's, it has fallen far from its heyday and 450hp is hardly enough to justify an above 50k potential price tag when so many other cars in that price range are pushing 450-500hp with extra bells and whistles to top things off. The WRX should be in Golf/Corolla/Civic competition territory and pumping out at least 300hp at this point. It hasn't had a significant hp boost since 2009.
@@BlastGT1 doesn't matter. Its current competition has barely over 300hp and is priced mid to high 40's. STI will have similar pricing and performance as those. If you expect over 400hp, you will be disappointed. It will compete with the Golf R, as usual. Not the RS3.
I would love to see the STI come back. was heartbroken when Subaru said bye to the STI. If this rumor is true it would be cool to see the new STI with 450hp. it would be a fun car on the mountain roads. I currently have 17 Forester XT with 165,000 miles it's a fun and zippy vehicle with the FA20 motor.
I wish too but unless a certain someone stops the green mandate it's never happening, sportscar are endangered in Europe and soon to be extinct BMW Mercedes Audi are going down in less than 5 years all other brands stopped making them, except Toyota which currently have the only two cars I would be interested in the RAV4 or the yaris/corolla GR (hopefully Subaru has a proper hybrid in 2025 because I wanted a forester in 2024 but the european e-boxer only engine sold here is abysmal)
I had a 04 STi with the EJ207 engine i love that 6 speed manual ! I drove it daily and track it frequently for 8 years, no major problems,except the stock radiator bursting…really missing it.Now I’m driving a Levorg
@@vastibro Those engines get closed decked and can run FOREVER once their bottom ends are built properly. There are ez/eg turbo cars pushing over 4 digit horsepower safely.
I would say about 500 HP would be good Mr. Subaru. hopefully we get something soon. I will still continue to enjoy my 2015 ForesterXT 👍 Thanks for another enjoyable video.
2021 sti is last all manual performance sedan...non electrical assisted power steering, manual gearbox, and just that old skool feeling of a performance car.
Subi fans have been saying this for the last 20 years, STi's need more power or they won't sell. If the 2025 gets releast at 305hp, Subaru will sell every one of them. They alwasy do...
idk man, it would have to be a real competitive price point. unless they're planning on selling it on being an "analog driving feel", 300 hp just aint shit anymore
I’m impressed with tuner builds, but I DO NOT think Subaru of America has ANY business making a 450hp engine from the factory. Don’t trust it. They are supposed to be 300hp cars. Rally
Sounds great 🤠👍 It has to perform minimum so good and reliable like the Yaris GR. Toyota has done the right job at that class hold on good old STI's especially European engines that they last and not be killed by eco death calculations! Gonna cross fingers 👍
Earlier in the year the salesman we bought our outback wilderness from advised us that they have already gotten the information on it and possibly seen the renderings.
Golf R is priced in the mid to high 40's. Civic Type R mid 40's. GR Corolla circuit is mid 40's. If it's coming back, it will be priced in the same range as those direct competitors.
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but didn’t I see a report within the last year that Subaru was buying into the Tesla charging architecture? So, putting that into an STIe model and making it quick and fast like the Roadster could be a seller. That being said, part of the reason you buy a Subaru STI is because it's a fun manual car with a super sweet sounding exhaust. Don't really get that with an electric.
I really hope if they bring out an STI on the VB chassis they would put it in a similar range as the TR and just move the others down respectively.. fighting in C8 corvette money ranges is kinda nutty for a Subaru to do imo
An EV STI would be blech! (really don't want a hybrid STI either). And it's gotta have a manual. (but a dual clutch would be better than a cvt). Gonna hang on to my 2019 STI for a while.
I have a spec. B that I'am holding onto dearly. I was waiting for a significant performance bump in any Subaru model but it never really came. All the new cars, I have had after the spec. B, have been European performance cars. I sat and watched Subaru basically become a crossover company while they ceded the sporty awd turbo market to Europeans and Koreans.
This is one of those I really hope it's true, but I'll believe it when I see proof. It was definitely a mistake to cancel the STI from a brand image perspective. I don't want a hybrid or an EV. I'd rather see the WRX have a hybrid version and the STI stay ICE only. Don't care about a dual clutch, personally. Well, fingers crossed.
Rocking my 2005 Legacy GT wagon with STi 6MT swapped in a couple of years back. She's a keeper. For me to bite a new STi it will have to be a hatch. Hybrid is OK but I am not interested in fully electric vehicles.
The problem I have with this "rumor" is, is that everyone in the car/Subaru world is running with this rumor from only one "source", and one that sounds shaky at best. Would I love STI to return? 100%. I'm now reaching a stage financially that I can finally reach that dream of owning a premium Subaru from new without taking the risk of buying used and most likely thrashed. Unfortunately I'm at the stage of "I'll believe it when Subaru announces it" due to how the internet works. As for what I would like, a similar package to the previous STI when it comes to 6MT, suspension, brakes. A platform based on the new 2.4L engine with 350-400hp would be very nice. I don't mind if it's hybrid, but hard no to EV. Anyway, one can dream and hope.
You are right... you need to be financially fit to pay for this car if you drive it hard. Good luck. I do hope the car if released fulfills your dream.
If a new Subaru Sti Doesn't have at least 400 to the wheels its not worth the money it will probably cost. My 05 has 300 at the wheels and it's a lot of fun. To compete with newer cars the STi needs this power level and definitely make the 6 speed or DCT as options. Drag race DCT, driving Road Track 6 speed
I own a 2012 WRX STi 4dr with EJ257 engine. I really hope the WRX STi will be back in their traditional 4 cylinder boxer with an electrified turbocharger (like the AMGs) cranking 325-340 horsepower, plus a small electric motor & small battery (just like in the new Lamborghini Revuelto), around 60-80 horsepower, just to help a little bit on acceleration and fuel consumption.
for real though. I think my 2023 vb wrx saved my life when I was t-boned at an intersection. Wanted buy another one but couldnt get one locally with what I wanted. All were more expensive as well. Winded up getting a golf gti. dont regret it yet but I do feel bad about not getting anoter subie.
I think the best formula going forward with the Subaru STi is a 2.4L port & direct injection turbocharged engine with a water to air intercooler and be flex fuel ready, a hybrid powertrain to get better acceleration and fuel efficiency while cruising around, a 6 or 8 speed dual clutch transmission with both the flappy paddles and the slapstick with the upshift and downshift in the “correct order” down to shift up and up to shift down. The truth is a CVT (SPT) isn’t gonna cut it. Also a proper mechanical handbrake like everyone wants. And keep the weight down by skipping the “Fluff” like big infotainment screens “an 8 inch screenis big enough”, driver assistive devices like blindside monitoring and eyesight systems, and power adjustable seats. It’s supposed to be a “Drivers Car” by the way.
I own a 2007 Impreza & 2015 Forester. Never again. Only older. Because the cost of routine maintenance on the 15. It was 3x higher to replace plugs/boots on the 15 vs new head gaskets for the 07. Which I’ve only had to do once in 11yrs, 30k ish miles/yr (OD lies). Comparing apples/oranges for sure but I’m still disgusted. I could have maybe fixed my 07 odometer with that money.
@@saltywolfgaming2353yea but as time goes on say we get to 2035 ish those parts will be cheap like a 2000s car right now it’s just because it was less than 10yr old when u did it, also it depends on the model year if it’s using parts that a 2022 is using they mark it up
It would be cool if the new STI comes with a factory ej with larger head studs, reinforced sleeves, hardened pistons and rods with a fully welded pickup tube and..... improved cooling flow in the head. Also I need the hatchback STI back.I have a thin body 04 HB and the wife drives a built 04 sedan.
They didn't announce they killed the STI until they stopped making them. This was apparently done to try to bolster sales of the new model they knew was going to flop from all the blowback they got from the design. We keep hearing about the Celica and MR2 coming back too, but remember that the Japanese automakers rarely give us what we want.
Bet you they will make the sti 50k. The FA24 is a great engine that can be a tuners dream. We are just all waiting for a greater growth in the market for aftermarket resources. (Unlike the EJ which is massive)
Would love to see a STI WRX!! I bought a first year 2002 WRX.....I couldn't wait till it hit the US shores.... I loved this car and was one of my favorite cars ever to drive! A new STI would need at least a 450HP engine, and a 7 speed manual transmission. Can they twin turbo the 2.5L engine??? Otherwise maybe they can take a V6 turbo engine and really squeeze some power out of it. Back in my day there were cars with V6 and a Turbo, loved all of them. The 1990's had a Mitsubishi 3000GT with TT, and then the NIssan 300zx with TT. Then the Toyota supra of the 90's was also a great turbocharged car with a V6. The fun memories I have of all 3 of these cars.
I’d like to see a performance focused… lighter than wrx, 400hp+, a tarmac focused model, a rally focused model… maybe even stripped down track focused version to go with the more lux street version. Hybrid to me would be better to make it versatile/go anywhere IMO… all electric would be either very heavy to get significant range, or short range to have a good balance & capability for rally.
I'm more p'oed that they gave Mexico a WRX wagon WITH a manual, but we're still left with the sedan only. Honestly, if the OB XT came with a manual, I'd be completely satisfied with that. Seems like Subaru is doing its best to keep me out of the showroom
Toyota own 20% of Subaru, I'm hoping for 2.4l turbo hybrid Auto for the City Will be awesome package 300kws instant torque & good fuel economy ....Sign me up for Australia 🇦🇺 👍
The STI is gonna have to be a bare minimum of 400hp at the wheel to be even mildly competitive in today's market. Preferably a turbocharged 3.6L with either a beefed up 6 speed or a completely new 8 or 10 speed transmission.
I dunno, there is a bit of be careful what you wish for. 400hp twin-turbo V6 (flat-six in Subaru), AWD, 10-speed transmission? That's the Acura TLX Type S. It's nothing amazing, it's mediocre at best. All that stuff weighs a lot!
@@TassieLorenzo Yep. Either Subaru starts with a GC size/weight chassis and add 400chp with the existing 6 speed or, Subaru builds a monster that costs $60k+. Because, how many EJ257s making 400hp at the wheel last 50k miles let alone 100k miles? Even after owners sinking $20k+ on the long block alone?!? Either Subaru does what Porsche did and increase the cubic inches and cylinders, or we’ll be left with another $40k+ STi that’s slower than snot.
@@toobigtofit3584 Except both of those are a minimum of 1000lbs lighter AND FWD. Subarus have AWD which adds weight and more power loss in the driveline. Go look up the power loss differences between FWD, RWD, and AWD. AWD has the most power loss and FWD has the least. A 300chp Subaru is slower than most 300chp FWD cars all because of their weight and drivetrain losses.
I’ve had a bunch of STI’ always been a fun vehicle just bought my son his first car and the WRX TR honestly it’s a great car but it’s not a STI the next one I hope it is at least 400hp out of the box I would buy another I’m now 53 and Love my performance cars but I would still love one for the backroads and gravel backroads of central MO
I actually wouldn't mind a hybrid STi/WRX, but only if they do it right with the proper power output and acceleration. After the death of so many other sports sedans, not getting anything related to a crossover is a god send. That being said, Subaru hasn't done aggressive R&D in a long long time. Doing a hybrid would require a huge overhaul of the drivetrain, and I'd want them to do a proper JDM overhaul of the chassis to make it look good again. If I were tasked with making a hybrid STi, I'd completely redo the AWD into a pure electric output system with toyota's electric motors (one for each wheel), and then modify/adapt/swap the FA20 into a high RPM engine, slap on a massive alternator, and put in some high density capacitors instead of lithium batteries. It's sounds ridiculous, but it would give some insane responsiveness and acceleration at the cost of immediate power capacity. You would have 60 seconds of stored power, but you have to let it recharge if you run out (doing WoT for example), so the car would slow down as it runs directly on the engine. Basically, you get an STi that's up to 1.5x faster than the previous generation, but it becomes a regular Impreza for 60 seconds if you run out of capacitor juice. Dunno if it will have an effect on tracking, but the regenerative breaking would also become way more effective as you brake for corners. It wouldn't get as great of MPG as a typical hybrid, but it would solve the issue of having to make a very expensive AWD hybrid setup with diffs and motors taking up space and cost.
I have an e85 G25-550 swapped 09 WRX, and looking at the new MR2/RX7. If the new Sti was hybrid 450hp+, and dsg/auto. The low weight of the other two has most of my interest
I feel like a WRX hatchback happens before a compelling STi model that is more than just a trim package happens. And we all know where that stands. I am more bullish on the upcoming hybrid drivetrain but not so much on Subaru actually bringing back STi as a top tier performance car. I can only hope I am dead wrong.
Of course they might come out with one just as im finishing paying off my VA and not wanting another payment...Now im gonna want a new one to daily so I can build my VA.
i dont believe they'll throw another model into the mix in the middle of their 7yr "gen" cycles cuz i haven't seen them do that before... special editions yes, full on model addition before 2029... doubtful - STi = EJ257+6MT FOR LIFE!!!❤
@xXLeblancdXx well I see what you're saying and why but the VA STi already does that. Imo the VB STi should be well above the likes of the civic type R or golf R and at the very least out shine the VA STi. Plus the gr corolla would sit nicely between the WRX and the STi
@Pandorum12345 yea but they haven't sold anything that competed with the CTR and Golf R since 2021. I've herd that before the STI was canned it had the same FA24 that is in the wrx and it was just over 400hp. The current wrx runs really low boost from the factory so the STI probably would of just had a bigger turbo. People are getting 350-400whp with just a couple bolt ons and a tune with the current wrx so a new sti competing with the supra and nissan z is deff a possibility
Hey Mr. Subaru I have a 2005 legacy gt with a missfire issue. It has a lightweight flywheel,an exedy stage 1 clutch, some aftermarket cruddy axel back exhaust and a tune. I've taken it to several shops, one said my exhaust is shitty and a couple did a few little tweaks. Coils and injectors firing correclt, flashing the stock tune did nothing, compression is good. A couple shops messed around with a couple things and it ran great. I went to pick it up and either on the way home, or a week later or started having the same missfire issues again. One subaru shop told me it's the engine harness or something internal with the engine but I'm not interested in the parts cannon method like they tried to do. Just curious why your thoughts are and if you can help in any way. thanks!
Even if they do bring it back, it's not like I'll be able to afford it and actually contribute to it existing in the market. I'm more than happy with my WRX.
Deadass wondering if I should continue "building" my VB into an STI. Got the UEL headers on it so it sounds like one, was going to be putting the outgoing STI's brembos on within the next month or so, and eventually put the STI's tranny and accompanying components ideally in the next year. Now I'm considering holding off to try and get the STI
Calling it now. STi Crossover with a CVT so the Lancer Cross will have something to race *sarcasm* I could see the STe being a thing as much I also hate EVs. Blobeye baby here!
I love my JDM Bug STI. Light weight, no traction control, 6 speed and gets a lot of looks.
@@woodjunkjrjr2689 the fuck?
@@woodjunkjrjr2689 you’re cooked, brah
As a 2015 STi owner in Aust, I can dream and wish upon a star.
Created my own S202 and built it since 2001. Power to weight is key for controlling the smile on my face. New chassis with 2.4 turbo, adjustable coilovers, and simple electronics.
If Subaru brought over the Levorg and made it an STI variant …. I’m 100% in …..but that will never happen…. i’m still a little angry about the legacy disappearing, but then again, I can understand if the sales are low..:.
Mighty Car Mods made one on their channel.
The legacy will live on in the outback
Yep, the Legacy was the start of STI. After the bl/bp or fourth generation the Legacy basically became a large lowered American family CUV(Outback). Not the Japanese sized sporty sedan/wagon. The Levorg is the spiritual successor to the bl/bp Legacy.
The funny thing is the sales of the Legacy were decent until they changed it to basically make a bigger more American sized Outback.
When I have the money I’m going to import the levorg sti to England
It would be SO COOL if they released it with Flex Fuel from the factory. That would be a safe(r) way to make big power without stressing the motor too much.
The current VB chassis with the FA24 is capable of running E85, thousands of us are doing it, from E30, E50 and full E maps, no issues.
oof you don't know how wrong your are >< I tuned mitsu evo and subaru ECUs for 8 years ethanol is deadly for engines and most tuners have no idea how to tune for it
regular gas starts knocking you know you need to tune down or let the throttle go (if you were smart enough to have a knock sensor or use an ecu knock detection redirect for example on some cars you can make the oil check blink when the ecu thinks it sees knocks) on ethanol you don't if you see knock your engine is already damaged and probably blown most of the times you won't see anything before your valves are pulverized I saw that happen many times, did you think that making more power an much more torque was magic ? you can disagree I won't care one I've seen other tuners maps and even fixed some "enthusiastic" ones who disabled every safeties possible in search of bigger numbers >< two while I stayed on gas and all my friends went ethanol every single one of them blew their engine while mine I sold with 50'000miles even after trying antilag (not for long destroying parts is not my thing I don't have a team replacing them for free)
@@fredEVOIX Every ECU has some sort of knock detection capability. As long as the tuner isn't an idiot and disables the knock sensor, E85 is fine. Plenty of auto manufacturers have factory flex fuel systems - those aren't the source of major problems. Heck - some countries (Brazil) only sell E85 and it hard to find normal gasoline.
I never claimed it was magic, but facts are facts. E85 is equivalent to 110 octane fuel, and is MUCH safer (when tuned with a correct AFR, timing, and boost) than pump gas of any octane rating. Sure, there are downsides (MPG), but it isn't going to "blow up" your vehicle for no apparent reason if it's tuned properly.
Unrelated to my other comment, I wanted to say thank you to MrSubaru.
If you see this I wanted to let you know that it was because of your content (and humble mechanic) that gave me the confidence to leave a 20 year career in the restaurant industry (that I was very unhappy in) and start a new career as a beginning tech at a Subaru dealership.
Its been almost a year now and its been great!!
So, again. Thank you so much!
Glad to hear it man!!! Screenshot and shared this with Charles, Humble mechanic.
@@MrSubaru1387 I gotta go over there and give him thanks too. I followed his $1500 & $2500 tool cart recommendations and your specific Subaru tool recommendations. And started buying any tools I didn't already have have about 2 years ago as part of my plan to get into a shop.
The guys at the shop are great, the Sr Tech is a mountain of knowledge and loves to teach (& his 700 hp blob eye is a work of art) & I've been hammering through my training modules ever since.
Folks like you and Charles are doing awesome work and hopefully someday I'll have enough knowledge to help out others too! Pay it forward, so to speak.
Levorg Sti wagon body style with dual-clutch 2.4 turbo 300 hp. 👌
Yeah, I would be interested. What would get me into the showroom is that 400+ horsepower, gas not electric, a manual gearbox with either 6 or 8 gears would be just great, serious brakes, adjustable coilovers. What would keep me out of the showroom is a lot of electronics, large glass screen, electronic nannies and having data collection.
What planet are you living on time to wake up?
A 450hp wrx-sti for about 20-35k would be perfect.
A 450hp wrx-sti for about 20-35k would be perfect.
Yeah pretty soon your not going to be able to get any car with “Eyesight similar” features. The government is already pushing to make them mandatory like airbags. And large touchscreens aren’t going away unfortunately
@@55mblindy What would you like to drive?
Making me very thankful that I have a 2005 STi still in good condition. Thank you Subaru for giving me a great job and a great vehicle.
Dude you got 9 comments from the ladies, 7 minutes in on a 13 minute vid.........you're on fire my man!
Lot of bots these days
@@interceptor7905 I'm not a bot and I'm a lady...and drive a 19 STI. heh
An EV STI would be blech! (really don't want a hybrid STI either). And it's gotta have a manual. (but a dual clutch would be better than a cvt)
@@JenniLudes Nice to hear.Didn't want to be mean or anything but I've seen same comments on different channels,bloody robots!When they read this they gonna oil themselves lol
@@interceptor7905 No worries. Just wanted to speak up for the non-bot ladies out here, ha! Yeah, the bots are a pita. Everywhere!
@@JenniLudes Thank you for understanding
They should bring back the wrx sti hatchback.
The problem is no one buys the hatchbacks. When they went all in on the hatchback in the GR, sales were really bad and only recovered once the sedan came out in 2011.
@@nonenone101what?
@@thehitman8663 yeah they had hatchback in 2008 etc and no one bought it. Yet I see all these comments now referring to an STI hatchback. Maybe demand has changed, and modern buyers prefer hatch (likely true, since all the sales data shows everyone buys SUVs, trucks, and I think hatches sell way higher than sedans now, for new cars). But still, I would prefer a sedan. But the old STI's were very tiny sedans, which had charm for being small lightweight AWD cars. The VA chassis was, the most practical STI, and could comfortably fit 4, but was too big, and was bit of a boat.
I might be a very niche buyer, but if they remake the STI, I would 100% prefer a small lightweight AWD sedan. Back to the roots of the car. At the end of the day, the STI is a very niche car, and it never got mass appeal (among the average consumer, even when they tried to make it more appealing with the VA and other models you can argue). Total sales were always low, reflecting it being a niche car. Consumers largely don't want niche sport cars, and it's a competitive segment also despite it being a low volume segment. In Australia for example they only sold 10,000 STI's from 1994 to 2020. So approx. 385 a year average. While the Forester in Australia from 1997 to March 2023 sold 300,000. Which is approx. 11,400+ a year average, so a sales ratio almost 30x. The Forester essentially sells/sold more in 1 year, what the STI sold in its entire history in Australia (almost 3 decades). So any future STI, it will still be a niche car, and the point should be to use in motorsport, and to be a marketing flagship sport car for the brand, so it should be built as a legitimate sports car (motorsport car) from the ground up, day one. Small, lightweight, with excellent chassis and weight distribution etc. Everything they learnt from the BRZ and old STI and more! :) But I might be dreaming. I think they need to add it back to the Impreza also. All of the STI achievement and legacy, is tied to the Impreza. 100% of it. Even all the best model STI's, like the 22B, the Spec C Type RA-R, the best S-series models, the Spec C's, the Type R's, and the Prodrive WRC models, are all Impreza. Even the new Prodrive P25 (most expensive Subaru ever) is Impreza based. STI and WRX nameplates didn't achieve anything post Impreza separation.
it is true americans don't like hatches or wagons but they love suvs.
@@Jez4prez1No the demand hasn't changed. The vast majority of car guys are broke kids. If they bring back the hatchback the demand would still be the same as the past. All the broke car guys will buy the car 6 years later and ask the same old "why did they stop making X".
If Subaru don't want a possible return of the STi to fail, it would need;
*400 HP (at least)
*Combustion engine
*NO CVT, real GEARS are NEEDED
A fully build 2.4T would be more than enough to get to 400 hp. I don't see bringing back a 3.0 or enven 3.6l H6 engine because of emissions.
I would love to see this STi come back but really doubt it. Toyota have the Z with 400hp and their hatchback with the Corolla GR with 300hp. 2 models Sybaru COULD have compete. Since Toyota own 40% of Subaru, I doesn't make sense. I would really like to have an STi Crosstrek with the 2.4 turbo engine but I know it won't happen unless I make it built.
The hay days of Subaru are sadly OVER.
You do know why right? The original STI chief engineer left subaru in 2013. Then this current one stepped in and ruined the STI and made the hideous 2015 VA - 2021 and now the wrx and he also canceled the STI.
Toyota have the Z?
@@ttis3701 I didn't but thanks for the info, I understand now it's what happened with the videogame industry too, the company name is all that remains all the good guys left
Turbo H6 is the only gas powerplant in Subarus lineup that will compete with other high performance motors out now like the B58/S58, DAZA 5 Cylinder, and such. Please no hybrid like the new C63. Brembos, Recaros, and something tuned that makes over 500whp is what they gotta do
Reliability issues with the H6 engines.. the EG’s didn’t do so well
Over 500hp? You don’t need 500hp, all you need is around 350-400hp for a relatively light small-medium sized sedan/hatch/wagon with AWD. As matter of fact 300hp would be all you really need but hey it is what it is and that’s just the way the cookie crumbles sometimes which makes me wonder how it keeps it from going under
Symmetrical AWD! 4 life! And that’s no lie! So put that on your crack pipe! And then get ready to rumble! Ima about to make you crumble! So if you or any other Jeepy continues getting jiffy the homie sleepy will get you feeling really iffy!
@@victoriousfThe 3.0 liter was reliable.
wtf u smoking sti is a 4cyl it only needs to compete with other 4cyl just having around 330hp and a reliable engine is all it needs to accomplish.
I use a 2022 WRX as a daily driver. I've owned it since new. I'm basically happy with it. Would I like more power? Yes, it's a little underwhelming compared to previous cars I've driven, but a small-bore turbo engine isn't going to give the immediate thrust of a 70's V-8 no matter what you do to it or how many gears it has. I think 400 hp is plenty enough to differentiate it from the "straight" WRX. I prefer the hatchback layout, much more practical than a sedan, and a rear wiper/washer is a must. I'm really using mine as a GT, and I was distressed to find no spare tire. I wasn't pleased with some of the high tech, or maybe why-tech, controls like the turn signals with no detents and the HVAC controls with a thermostat. That's different but not as effective as the analog slider switch I found in my father's 1967 Oldsmobile. Keep it simple for us old line sports car drivers, manual transmission, straight gas engine, no hybrid or electric. I realize you can get good performance out of those but that's not what I want. Minimum weight and crisp responses are the key.
Boomers
400-450 HP, 6 speed and a dual clutch automatic option. Bring back the hatchback!!!! 2013 STI Hatch owner.
Spot on, exactly what I was thinking.
This is going to cost as much as a supra.
@lancechenoweth166 450hp? You're not being realistic. The sti is meant to compete with the golf r, gr corolla and civic type r.
@@steve8803 Considering its reputation in the late 90's and early 2000's, it has fallen far from its heyday and 450hp is hardly enough to justify an above 50k potential price tag when so many other cars in that price range are pushing 450-500hp with extra bells and whistles to top things off. The WRX should be in Golf/Corolla/Civic competition territory and pumping out at least 300hp at this point. It hasn't had a significant hp boost since 2009.
@@BlastGT1 doesn't matter. Its current competition has barely over 300hp and is priced mid to high 40's. STI will have similar pricing and performance as those. If you expect over 400hp, you will be disappointed. It will compete with the Golf R, as usual. Not the RS3.
I would love to see the STI come back. was heartbroken when Subaru said bye to the STI. If this rumor is true it would be cool to see the new STI with 450hp. it would be a fun car on the mountain roads. I currently have 17 Forester XT with 165,000 miles it's a fun and zippy vehicle with the FA20 motor.
I wish too but unless a certain someone stops the green mandate it's never happening, sportscar are endangered in Europe and soon to be extinct BMW Mercedes Audi are going down in less than 5 years all other brands stopped making them, except Toyota which currently have the only two cars I would be interested in the RAV4 or the yaris/corolla GR (hopefully Subaru has a proper hybrid in 2025 because I wanted a forester in 2024 but the european e-boxer only engine sold here is abysmal)
Still keeping my 09 Legacy GT alive, been nursing it hoping the STI will return to replace it.
I had a 04 STi with the EJ207 engine i love that 6 speed manual ! I drove it daily and track it frequently for 8 years, no major problems,except the stock radiator bursting…really missing it.Now I’m driving a Levorg
Throw a turbo on the 3.0 or 3.6 6 cylinders!
That would be great I seen a 3.0 with a turbo on it. They shoved it into a Forrester thing was stomping out 700 hp on 16 pounds of boost.🎉
@@paultice610for how long ?
@@vastibro Those engines get closed decked and can run FOREVER once their bottom ends are built properly. There are ez/eg turbo cars pushing over 4 digit horsepower safely.
@@tslamcytwhere can I find one? Genuinely curious
I have no business buying one but it would be so fun! I have a 19’ Forester (Foz) and it’s my first Subaru. Would love something faster. 😆
I would say about 500 HP would be good Mr. Subaru. hopefully we get something soon. I will still continue to enjoy my 2015 ForesterXT 👍 Thanks for another enjoyable video.
2021 sti is last all manual performance sedan...non electrical assisted power steering, manual gearbox, and just that old skool feeling of a performance car.
Agreed. It was as far as full on mechanical could be in 2021
Subi fans have been saying this for the last 20 years, STi's need more power or they won't sell. If the 2025 gets releast at 305hp, Subaru will sell every one of them. They alwasy do...
idk man, it would have to be a real competitive price point. unless they're planning on selling it on being an "analog driving feel", 300 hp just aint shit anymore
I’m impressed with tuner builds, but I DO NOT think Subaru of America has ANY business making a 450hp engine from the factory. Don’t trust it. They are supposed to be 300hp cars. Rally
@boidae8139 it definitely needs 400hp to stay current
For Sti to make sales it needs to beat Golf R, type R civic, GR corolla and Yaris. It needs at least 350HP and it will sell like nothing else
I work for Subaru, and all we have been told is it’s coming back all-electric, but nothing from the company itself!
@@jamesshirley5875 Here in Australia Hyundai I30 now only comes as hybrid no more N series!Not good,not good!
I fucking hate electric. It feels like a personal attack on my soul.
@@RD-io6sm It is,plus burns your house down
No one will buy it if it’s electric
An all-electric STi would be enormously insulting and basically the kiss of death.
Sounds great 🤠👍
It has to perform minimum so good and reliable like the Yaris GR. Toyota has done the right job at that class hold on good old STI's especially European engines that they last and not be killed by eco death calculations!
Gonna cross fingers 👍
I love the VB honestly it's a very grown up engine. I hope it's the VB tuned with the Mexico WRX sport back and it's a wagon again. A man can dream 😂.
Earlier in the year the salesman we bought our outback wilderness from advised us that they have already gotten the information on it and possibly seen the renderings.
Sure buddy
A 405 horsepower 6 speed manual WRX might just be the most fun car ever made.
If they bring it back 😊 I will trade my 2020 in and I only have 18,000 miles on it 😁 hybrid I would buy 400hp 👍🏾
Golf R is priced in the mid to high 40's. Civic Type R mid 40's. GR Corolla circuit is mid 40's. If it's coming back, it will be priced in the same range as those direct competitors.
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but didn’t I see a report within the last year that Subaru was buying into the Tesla charging architecture? So, putting that into an STIe model and making it quick and fast like the Roadster could be a seller. That being said, part of the reason you buy a Subaru STI is because it's a fun manual car with a super sweet sounding exhaust. Don't really get that with an electric.
I really hope if they bring out an STI on the VB chassis they would put it in a similar range as the TR and just move the others down respectively.. fighting in C8 corvette money ranges is kinda nutty for a Subaru to do imo
Hope this STI comes to fruition so I can buy one.
Ireally wish they'd bring back the wrx hatch or sell the Levorg in the States.
The fact they reimplemented they impreza rs and didn't just throw a turbo in is crazy imo
Nah, that's not my biggest gripe with the Impreza 2.5RS. (The WRX still exists.)
It's the lack of a manual transmission option.
If Subaru just puts a sti transmission in WRX ts…it would give Corolla gr and type r a run for its money
Watch type R vs Wrx Sti. It couldn't do nothing.
An EV STI would be blech! (really don't want a hybrid STI either). And it's gotta have a manual. (but a dual clutch would be better than a cvt). Gonna hang on to my 2019 STI for a while.
Drove the TR this week, seriously considering it
Nobody wants an electric Sti.
Say it louder.
AMG A45S makes 420 hp with 2.0L engine. Subaru 2.4L should aim to be within this HP range or slighly higher. Sequential Twin turbos?
2016 STi owner. I'd be happy with a reasonable 350whp from the factory and still manual option! 😊
I was thinking about buying a WRX but I'm not interested in a hybrid or any ev. Guess I'll wait and see what happens.
Flat irons tuning talked about this!
I have a spec. B that I'am holding onto dearly. I was waiting for a significant performance bump in any Subaru model but it never really came. All the new cars, I have had after the spec. B, have been European performance cars. I sat and watched Subaru basically become a crossover company while they ceded the sporty awd turbo market to Europeans and Koreans.
Still got my 1996 sti, still pulls hard at 300hp 😊
Oooooo I’d love for the sti to come back. Sign me up
This is one of those I really hope it's true, but I'll believe it when I see proof. It was definitely a mistake to cancel the STI from a brand image perspective. I don't want a hybrid or an EV. I'd rather see the WRX have a hybrid version and the STI stay ICE only. Don't care about a dual clutch, personally. Well, fingers crossed.
Rocking my 2005 Legacy GT wagon with STi 6MT swapped in a couple of years back. She's a keeper.
For me to bite a new STi it will have to be a hatch. Hybrid is OK but I am not interested in fully electric vehicles.
No swap yet for me but put in a new short block and some better springs and bushings etc. GT wagon and a built sedan both 05⛽️
The problem I have with this "rumor" is, is that everyone in the car/Subaru world is running with this rumor from only one "source", and one that sounds shaky at best.
Would I love STI to return? 100%. I'm now reaching a stage financially that I can finally reach that dream of owning a premium Subaru from new without taking the risk of buying used and most likely thrashed.
Unfortunately I'm at the stage of "I'll believe it when Subaru announces it" due to how the internet works.
As for what I would like, a similar package to the previous STI when it comes to 6MT, suspension, brakes. A platform based on the new 2.4L engine with 350-400hp would be very nice. I don't mind if it's hybrid, but hard no to EV.
Anyway, one can dream and hope.
You are right... you need to be financially fit to pay for this car if you drive it hard.
Good luck. I do hope the car if released fulfills your dream.
Same as the Celica and MR2 rumors
@@rwdplz1what happened with those rumors?
If a new Subaru Sti Doesn't have at least 400 to the wheels its not worth the money it will probably cost. My 05 has 300 at the wheels and it's a lot of fun. To compete with newer cars the STi needs this power level and definitely make the 6 speed or DCT as options. Drag race DCT, driving Road Track 6 speed
I own a 2012 WRX STi 4dr with EJ257 engine. I really hope the WRX STi will be back in their traditional 4 cylinder boxer with an electrified turbocharger (like the AMGs) cranking 325-340 horsepower, plus a small electric motor & small battery (just like in the new Lamborghini Revuelto), around 60-80 horsepower, just to help a little bit on acceleration and fuel consumption.
Please come true…. Id buy one instantly!
for real though. I think my 2023 vb wrx saved my life when I was t-boned at an intersection. Wanted buy another one but couldnt get one locally with what I wanted. All were more expensive as well. Winded up getting a golf gti. dont regret it yet but I do feel bad about not getting anoter subie.
I think the best formula going forward with the Subaru STi is a 2.4L port & direct injection turbocharged engine with a water to air intercooler and be flex fuel ready, a hybrid powertrain to get better acceleration and fuel efficiency while cruising around, a 6 or 8 speed dual clutch transmission with both the flappy paddles and the slapstick with the upshift and downshift in the “correct order” down to shift up and up to shift down. The truth is a CVT (SPT) isn’t gonna cut it. Also a proper mechanical handbrake like everyone wants. And keep the weight down by skipping the “Fluff” like big infotainment screens “an 8 inch screenis big enough”, driver assistive devices like blindside monitoring and eyesight systems, and power adjustable seats. It’s supposed to be a “Drivers Car” by the way.
Ironically a BRZ is almost just as quick as an WRX. There is drag racing videos showing this..... there is only a 50hp difference but 700 lbs
It will be an electric crossover -i plan to buy all my cars from 1990 to 2010 for the rest of my life, have a nice day.
What are you talking about? Did SUbaru in Japan call you to tell you that? Have a nice day
That is going to be difficult as you get older…you get older…cars get more scarce and bc of age…less reliable 😂
I own a 2007 Impreza & 2015 Forester. Never again. Only older. Because the cost of routine maintenance on the 15. It was 3x higher to replace plugs/boots on the 15 vs new head gaskets for the 07. Which I’ve only had to do once in 11yrs, 30k ish miles/yr (OD lies). Comparing apples/oranges for sure but I’m still disgusted. I could have maybe fixed my 07 odometer with that money.
Good luck
@@saltywolfgaming2353yea but as time goes on say we get to 2035 ish those parts will be cheap like a 2000s car right now it’s just because it was less than 10yr old when u did it, also it depends on the model year if it’s using parts that a 2022 is using they mark it up
It would be cool if the new STI comes with a factory ej with larger head studs, reinforced sleeves, hardened pistons and rods with a fully welded pickup tube and..... improved cooling flow in the head. Also I need the hatchback STI back.I have a thin body 04 HB and the wife drives a built 04 sedan.
Just spent 7k buying a modded 2004 wrx with a sti turbo and other goodies. It's good. It's fun. You don't need a new car.
They didn't announce they killed the STI until they stopped making them. This was apparently done to try to bolster sales of the new model they knew was going to flop from all the blowback they got from the design.
We keep hearing about the Celica and MR2 coming back too, but remember that the Japanese automakers rarely give us what we want.
Hell yeah brotherrrr
Bet you they will make the sti 50k.
The FA24 is a great engine that can be a tuners dream. We are just all waiting for a greater growth in the market for aftermarket resources. (Unlike the EJ which is massive)
Would love to see a STI WRX!! I bought a first year 2002 WRX.....I couldn't wait till it hit the US shores.... I loved this car and was one of my favorite cars ever to drive!
A new STI would need at least a 450HP engine, and a 7 speed manual transmission. Can they twin turbo the 2.5L engine???
Otherwise maybe they can take a V6 turbo engine and really squeeze some power out of it. Back in my day there were cars with V6 and a Turbo, loved all of them. The 1990's had a Mitsubishi 3000GT with TT, and then the NIssan 300zx with TT. Then the Toyota supra of the 90's was also a great turbocharged car with a V6. The fun memories I have of all 3 of these cars.
I wouldn’t mind a short ratio heavy duty gearbox/differentials/driveshafts/cv axles and a 400hp 91 octane tuning.
How about the return of the Baja?? I would def. Get one! Thoughts?
If they make it a 6 cylinder I’m game to consider the options.
they wont. lol. we're lucky its even a rumor.
Subaru has never done anything other than the boxer 4. They definitely won’t.
A STi version of the Crosstrek would be a killer.
I’d like to see a performance focused… lighter than wrx, 400hp+, a tarmac focused model, a rally focused model… maybe even stripped down track focused version to go with the more lux street version. Hybrid to me would be better to make it versatile/go anywhere IMO… all electric would be either very heavy to get significant range, or short range to have a good balance & capability for rally.
I'm more p'oed that they gave Mexico a WRX wagon WITH a manual, but we're still left with the sedan only. Honestly, if the OB XT came with a manual, I'd be completely satisfied with that. Seems like Subaru is doing its best to keep me out of the showroom
Toyota own 20% of Subaru, I'm hoping for 2.4l turbo hybrid Auto for the City
Will be awesome package 300kws instant torque & good fuel economy ....Sign me up for Australia 🇦🇺 👍
The STI is gonna have to be a bare minimum of 400hp at the wheel to be even mildly competitive in today's market. Preferably a turbocharged 3.6L with either a beefed up 6 speed or a completely new 8 or 10 speed transmission.
I dunno, there is a bit of be careful what you wish for. 400hp twin-turbo V6 (flat-six in Subaru), AWD, 10-speed transmission? That's the Acura TLX Type S. It's nothing amazing, it's mediocre at best. All that stuff weighs a lot!
@@TassieLorenzo Yep. Either Subaru starts with a GC size/weight chassis and add 400chp with the existing 6 speed or, Subaru builds a monster that costs $60k+.
Because, how many EJ257s making 400hp at the wheel last 50k miles let alone 100k miles? Even after owners sinking $20k+ on the long block alone?!? Either Subaru does what Porsche did and increase the cubic inches and cylinders, or we’ll be left with another $40k+ STi that’s slower than snot.
I wish they did a destroked ez36, 3.3 with dual avcs and chunky cylinder walls, 10:5:1 comp with low mount twin turbo
GR Corolla is 300HP, Golf R is is 315. I honestly think 350 would be plenty competitive.
@@toobigtofit3584 Except both of those are a minimum of 1000lbs lighter AND FWD. Subarus have AWD which adds weight and more power loss in the driveline. Go look up the power loss differences between FWD, RWD, and AWD. AWD has the most power loss and FWD has the least. A 300chp Subaru is slower than most 300chp FWD cars all because of their weight and drivetrain losses.
Hopefully they bring the wagon back as well to the US market
Well Mr.Subaru lets hope this STi rumour is correct, i sure would like this to be a true rumour 🙏 👍 Au
I love the vb. It's comfy, i like the looks, and the fa24dit has so much potential.
It’s probably going to be a fa24 tuned to make more power I’d imagine 330-350hp. A better manual gear box. And that’s it
I just want a new sti hatch/wagon with the rumble.
Couldn't deal with the price to HP ratio on my 17' Sti. Traded it for a 17' M4 Competition 😏 no regrets
I’ve had a bunch of STI’ always been a fun vehicle just bought my son his first car and the WRX TR honestly it’s a great car but it’s not a STI the next one I hope it is at least 400hp out of the box I would buy another I’m now 53 and Love my performance cars but I would still love one for the backroads and gravel backroads of central MO
I actually wouldn't mind a hybrid STi/WRX, but only if they do it right with the proper power output and acceleration.
After the death of so many other sports sedans, not getting anything related to a crossover is a god send.
That being said, Subaru hasn't done aggressive R&D in a long long time. Doing a hybrid would require a huge overhaul of the drivetrain, and I'd want them to do a proper JDM overhaul of the chassis to make it look good again.
If I were tasked with making a hybrid STi, I'd completely redo the AWD into a pure electric output system with toyota's electric motors (one for each wheel), and then modify/adapt/swap the FA20 into a high RPM engine, slap on a massive alternator, and put in some high density capacitors instead of lithium batteries.
It's sounds ridiculous, but it would give some insane responsiveness and acceleration at the cost of immediate power capacity. You would have 60 seconds of stored power, but you have to let it recharge if you run out (doing WoT for example), so the car would slow down as it runs directly on the engine. Basically, you get an STi that's up to 1.5x faster than the previous generation, but it becomes a regular Impreza for 60 seconds if you run out of capacitor juice. Dunno if it will have an effect on tracking, but the regenerative breaking would also become way more effective as you brake for corners.
It wouldn't get as great of MPG as a typical hybrid, but it would solve the issue of having to make a very expensive AWD hybrid setup with diffs and motors taking up space and cost.
I have a 2019 STI.... wait and see.
I bought my 2021 forester limited for 32k new. A comparable 2025 forester is 40k. My 2019 STi was 35k so the new one will be 43k?
My 1998 Subaru Sambar truck arrives in three days time from Japan.
I absolutely agree that a new STI should be at least 400HP.
All the sti needs is like 320-340hp does not need 400 to compete with the other stuff under 50k in North America.
I have an e85 G25-550 swapped 09 WRX, and looking at the new MR2/RX7.
If the new Sti was hybrid 450hp+, and dsg/auto. The low weight of the other two has most of my interest
I feel like a WRX hatchback happens before a compelling STi model that is more than just a trim package happens. And we all know where that stands. I am more bullish on the upcoming hybrid drivetrain but not so much on Subaru actually bringing back STi as a top tier performance car. I can only hope I am dead wrong.
Of course they might come out with one just as im finishing paying off my VA and not wanting another payment...Now im gonna want a new one to daily so I can build my VA.
the only way forward is with hybridisation with an STI toyota is tying hands with BYD for its batteries so this is where i see the sti going
i dont believe they'll throw another model into the mix in the middle of their 7yr "gen" cycles cuz i haven't seen them do that before... special editions yes, full on model addition before 2029... doubtful - STi = EJ257+6MT FOR LIFE!!!❤
Yeah pff Mitsubishi Evo is making a comeback as well! I heard it from a source, who also heard it from another source! Sources unknown 😂
I'd say it would have to compete with the supra at a minimum. So for about 450 hp or more
I think they'd have it compete with the civic type R and the VW golf R cause the current wrx is more inline with the GTI and civic si
@xXLeblancdXx well I see what you're saying and why but the VA STi already does that. Imo the VB STi should be well above the likes of the civic type R or golf R and at the very least out shine the VA STi. Plus the gr corolla would sit nicely between the WRX and the STi
@Pandorum12345 yea but they haven't sold anything that competed with the CTR and Golf R since 2021. I've herd that before the STI was canned it had the same FA24 that is in the wrx and it was just over 400hp. The current wrx runs really low boost from the factory so the STI probably would of just had a bigger turbo. People are getting 350-400whp with just a couple bolt ons and a tune with the current wrx so a new sti competing with the supra and nissan z is deff a possibility
Hey Mr. Subaru
I have a 2005 legacy gt with a missfire issue. It has a lightweight flywheel,an exedy stage 1 clutch, some aftermarket cruddy axel back exhaust and a tune. I've taken it to several shops, one said my exhaust is shitty and a couple did a few little tweaks. Coils and injectors firing correclt, flashing the stock tune did nothing, compression is good. A couple shops messed around with a couple things and it ran great. I went to pick it up and either on the way home, or a week later or started having the same missfire issues again. One subaru shop told me it's the engine harness or something internal with the engine but I'm not interested in the parts cannon method like they tried to do. Just curious why your thoughts are and if you can help in any way. thanks!
I have been mulling over getting a TR in the face of no better option, if they are doing an STI it would be nice to know ahead of the 2025 release.
I want Subaru USA to import the Baja. The 2024 models look great!
No EV. Manual transmission (3 pedals). Fun to drive.
Off topic. Can i use poly bushings on my stablizer bar in the 2018 crosstrek. Or do you think sticking to rubber is best
Even if they do bring it back, it's not like I'll be able to afford it and actually contribute to it existing in the market. I'm more than happy with my WRX.
Deadass wondering if I should continue "building" my VB into an STI. Got the UEL headers on it so it sounds like one, was going to be putting the outgoing STI's brembos on within the next month or so, and eventually put the STI's tranny and accompanying components ideally in the next year. Now I'm considering holding off to try and get the STI
Calling it now. STi Crossover with a CVT so the Lancer Cross will have something to race *sarcasm* I could see the STe being a thing as much I also hate EVs. Blobeye baby here!
Hope it’s a hatch!
It's about time now