The Just need to splitt PvP and Pvpve in Gear based and lvl based so that it is possible for Low gearscore to play with and against max gearscore in some form...
i mean i was 100% free to play and i can tell you the gear diff doesn't matter at the end. The only reason you don't want normalized gear is b/c in this game you need your evasion from your gear to be effective and also endurance etc. when they have some low level events your evasion goes from 1700 to 300, so your evasion build dies practically, while others like GS just 1 taps people b/c they were never evasion.
equalized pvp just highlights class imbalance. same thing with lost ark. equalized pvp but it just shows people how bad the class balance in mmos is. same thing with BDO's ranked arena mode. equal gear, classes aren't made equal. mmo pvp will never be "competitive"
@rzt430 world of warcraft has been holding massive comps with blizzcon every year for as long as i can remember even in shooter games there is always a meta does that mean shooters are not competitive ? Come to think about it some of the biggest esports games are very unbalanced like league of legends some heroes are well over tuned and will just crap on a loby unless you no nothing about moba games. Metas change all the time so making an mmo where it is easier to swap to a meta is how you make it comp viable this is just my opinion though but atleast in games like guildwars and the other games you mentioned if you truely are skilled at what you play you can atleast win and dominate in games unfortunately with throne and liberty it's about who spends the most time gearing or who spends the most money on gear it's just not a good way to build a game it's a greedy way it's sad really because throne and liberty is actually a really fun game but in arenas even with a 2300 gs I get crapped on by 3k+ players in optimised gear all the time.
But this is just the beginning of this mmo, imagine future updates with better gear coming, which is already confirmed, whales would spend a lot more, and it goes on like that.
💀💀💀 Reminds me of this game i used to play Cabal Online. Some people surely have spent over 100k$ in that game, theres no way to get some of the gear at the pace they've gotten it without spending an absurd amount of money. I spent like 2-3k and was like 2-5% the item power that some of these guys were and it gets exponentially harder to get stronger items the higher your power is. I can only imagine how much people have spent on that game. If i had to guess, easily 100-200k and that game has a lot of whales.
whaling opportunity in TnL are not that comparable to diablo immortal theres not much to burn ur money jere in TnL theres no daily,weekly, and monthly paywall here
The way both of those dudes said they wouldn’t like it to be normalized gear in arena sounded so cringe. You could hear how much money they spent on this game just in the tone. Dawg if you really want to be a clown and spend thousands of dollars just to get a slight boost then shit it ain’t gonna stop your fun if it’s locked to your server lol
The game is not really p2w. Whales just rush the game fast, but I am almost fully geared being f2p. I haven't spent a single dollar. The difference is that whales get fully geared within 1 month and f2p takes around 3 months if u know how to play the auction house.
@@Sazz710 Iknow how the f2p and p2w works in TAL, im just saying he got 2 Archboss weapons and is doing no dmg. His combo is just generally not good even with archboss weapons that's what I wanted to say
This is cracking me up, like it's just flexing I can get exactly what he's got for free just by playing the game for a bit and everyone's calling it p2w, I just call it laziness.
@marcfielding2460 it's more pay for convenience than pay 2 win but paying for all the best stuff early on really does make you godly keep in mind global release has only been out for like what 3 weeks ?
It's cause he geared up to max when the game released and everything in the auction house was priced 100x. Now it's probably not even a fraction of the amount to get to where he is
Tittle of this video should have been"Shroud and his yes-men complaining about everything and anything". Never seen such a sad interaction while playing a game, holy fk, hope I never turn into these bag of potatoes. Gaming is suppose to be fun and these guys make it seem like it's a tedious job. On the subject at hand though, MMO's isn't ESPORT eye-candy because it's not entertaining to watch as a casual. It's hard to relate to whats going on unless you play PvP in that specific MMORPG. It's fun for us cause we play it but not relatable without having some idea of whats going on. This is why FPS's will always be the king of ESPORTs. People can understand the difficulty in getting clean head shots back to back, it's relatable to anybody.
I love listening to these guys talk about this game as if it's actually good, they only like the fact you can buy everything you need to be able to kill players with way less power and boost your ego for a little while.
And best part is that hes contanly in red insted of saveing and geting out of it he spends it on this ,why the fk do ppl dontate to this woke..stop supporting him
its so fun as a new player to go friendly match but then my team are always 3 solo new players with not full epic. and ofc we meet whales with 16/18k hp who one bursts us. very fun 10/10
I get that Shroud is showing how the game is pay to win and trying to show the problem. But hes just making it so more people are willing to pay to win. Hes a role model for gamers and right now a bad one
No, the role model were the gamers and shroud is the example of gamers lowering their standards to the lowest that now mmos are in the biggest drought that p2w is the only way mmos are surviving now.
all games are pay to win unless its just skin lol. so as a spender is it ok for you to spend and just lose or play like free to play players? Besides in this game you can just spend the ingame credits to buy the items that free to play characters get and they dont even sell gears in the shop that gives big stat bonuses lol even costumes in this game dont give a damn stats.
I think you are very mistaken with what this video shows, you think he will get even close to top 10 ranks? No he will not, so p2w cannot help you to win. This video is in the lowest ranks possible he could win these with blue untraited gear char..
I just got into this game, what makes this a 20k character? What does he have that I cant as a new player? How much time did he save in gearing compared to someone f2p?
I love how the dude talk is acting like he know how procs work lol its hilarious then shourd sits there with his thumb in his ass letting him feed this bullshit to the community then people jump in the game being trash
20k is what i have in my life savings, fuking blows my mind honestly so many better things could be done with peoples money but ey its there money so whatever do you bud
Lmao 20k ? I don't even know what he spent his money on tbh. Even if you buy every single item in the marketplace it wouldn't amount to 20k on EU servers.
Your server probably doesnt have any whales or swipers. Auction house prices are different for each servers. Shroud spending 20k is reasonable because he's a streamer with big bucks. If ppl are seeing items sell for a high price, they'll keep it at that price. Welcome to a market that doesn't put prices at a fixed cap
@@Eskimo0s First prices are common for all servers in each region. So please don't spread misinformation. Second, I have an alt in NA. It's indeed pricier, but there is no way to spend 1.2 million lucent. It's simply almost impossible.
@@Eskimo0s EA and launch are also indeed split, for obvious reason. But even then, even if he buy 2 archboss weapon and a full Bis gear in Korea, where there is a lot of whales, no bot, and much bigger prices, you'll never reach 1.2 million lucent... Except if you really do it on purpose and use the most expensive way for every piece of gear without using any unlock stone or nothing the game provide you.
Only mmo I see coming close to esport viability would be BDO but even it would need tweaking. It has actual skill expression. Better players can beat more geared opponents. In capped settings better players will usually win. TNL is fun… but it’s rock paper scissors
You actually dont need to spend this much to match him in power, the thing is that he has soo much diferent bluids with this money, he can play any weapon at high level if he wishes, if you stuck F2P 2 weapons you can play against him.
The only reason Whales spent that much was because it was the start of the game, now the prices have dropped down to 70% for nearly everything the whales bought at the start for far more expensive. Only the whales who spent that amount to become the top guild was somewhat worth it, but otherwise it's a loss.
If i would spend more than 300 bucks i'd be like whats wrong with me 😂 showing supports is nice and they need it but reaching 1k is excessive. I get it though he is a streamer and wants the views, eitherway he is just using the streamer money so its all good. And he can feel powerful and atleast enjoy that aspect of the game.
You can buy lucent online 10$ for 1000 so 1000$ will get you 10,000 whick is maybe enough to max out every trait if with top traits if you do it right ,so i dont think he spent 20k unless he's a idiot
There should be some law wheres if someones that rich that he can spend 20 thousand fucking dollars on a video game, he must donate half of that to some starving people, it would make a world a better place.
20k is cap. It doesn’t cost 20k to fully max trait a character maybe 2 to 5k if that $100 gets 6k in Lucent best in slot gear is about 10k lucent. And most traits are about 1k to 800 on the expensive end so maybe 2k worth of real money.
@slkskate have you seen the prices of things lol... you can very easily spend 20k and not have a full set of purple with all the traits. That's assuming he actually payed for all his stuff which I wouldn't put past him as he's filthy rich. 20k is a drop of damage to his bank account.
@@RurouniKenshinShinta most expensive thing i seen is a 21k lucent great sword thats about 400 dollars worth of lucent. I don’t think you guys get it either just because he’s well off doesn’t mean he’s dropping that much in a game. If you are a millionaire 20 is not financially responsible purchase. He already spoke in one video that he only spent about 400 on in game currency
Just remember when Shroud played newly started Lost Ark and said "i have unlimited bank account" Whaling all around. Compared to that 20k from Shroud isn't that impressive
bruh it costs under 1.5k USD to fully trait out an entire purple set in t1. shroud said he spent 20k in lost ark not throne. whoever this channel is sharing this is dumb af
You can spend all you want but in reality you can never stay on top. Play and enjoy the game. If you dont like it, don't play it. it's just simple. I play this game to kill time, nothing else.
20k? Are you serious what did you buy... i spent $450 and i have 3.6k combat score with all my best in slot...I dont even understand how thats possible to spend that much
@@ofensatul why is that a waste of money? if you have disposable income you can spend on whatever make you happy. Some people spend on drugs, drinks, clubbing, raves..etc unless you're so fking broke you think $450 is somehow a big deal then you're not on the same lvl. get a better job.
lol 20k... is sad number.... You can be very well geared out with 1k or even $500.... dude over spend on hype train. Heck If you just grind gear, and unlock traits alone... maybe less than $200 you need to gear out well. You can make VERY good Gear with just $100. That might be 20-30% difference in power. Heck if you just focus on meele evasion, get all BiS. Cost you less than $50. I dont even know what he spent 20k on, unless its over priced items. Heck even Universal Band of Power is only like $150. I feel like his guild is ripping him off for first drops from Guild Boss Runs.
@@Tankerbell83 lol Boss weapons not even out yet. Even biggest Whaler, cant even buy it cause their no way to craft it in the game. Also if your basing your build on Archboss you going to fail. That weapon ment as a 3 months farm.
"Can Shroud's 20k character get rank 1 arena in Throne and Liberty" LMAO what a stupid Question. The Question should be " Is he rly that bad with 20k Char?" Yes he is. Didnt see any skill just a 20k Char Headrolling Skills, because it doesnt matter at all lol
All the drops you get have useless traits, like a middle finger to the effort you put in, saying, "Forget the work, just show me your credit card." Gaming is dead, this is just a sneaky slot machine that treats you like a fool and demands money.
These MMOs are so interesting to me. We know it “failed” in KR, we know it isn’t the most appealing to the western audience so it is genuinely baffling that people would in theory BURN money on a game that might not have any form of longevity.
@@Tankerbell83 wtf are you talking about lmao its 13k lucent on my server which is 130$ You use x100 unlock trait stones and get 11 cheap traits for 300-400 each. The weapon itself would be max 150$ lol
I feel sorry for anyone who played this game longer then a week or two, that’s about how long it took me to realize how trash the game was, even in this video watching a player who spent so much on the game, look at that combat ? 😂😂😂😂😂😂 it’s a damn clunkfest, there’s absolutely zero flow to combat 😅
you could equip 20 fucking builds fully traited with 20k. the clip is out of context. I have almost 3k hrs playtime in throne between KR version and global. There is literally nothing to spend 20k for one single character in any capacity. Trash clip channel spreading misinformation with out of context clip implying he spent it in Throne and not Lost Ark like he clearly said in the full version. Archboss weapons arent even out yet and even if he has a full entire Archboss build, it still would not be 20k kekw
The critical flaw many are making is forgetting he is shroud. That being said he will easily make back 20k if he even spent that much. That being said get pay to win rekt scrubs.
Ah yes, ofc the whales would say they would hate a “normalized arena” cuz they “want to feel the power of their gear” 💀
The Just need to splitt PvP and Pvpve in Gear based and lvl based so that it is possible for Low gearscore to play with and against max gearscore in some form...
i mean i was 100% free to play and i can tell you the gear diff doesn't matter at the end. The only reason you don't want normalized gear is b/c in this game you need your evasion from your gear to be effective and also endurance etc. when they have some low level events your evasion goes from 1700 to 300, so your evasion build dies practically, while others like GS just 1 taps people b/c they were never evasion.
Guildwars 2 was great pvp because it didn't matter if you were level 1 or level 60 pvp was skill based not gear based
equalized pvp just highlights class imbalance. same thing with lost ark. equalized pvp but it just shows people how bad the class balance in mmos is. same thing with BDO's ranked arena mode. equal gear, classes aren't made equal. mmo pvp will never be "competitive"
Guild wars 2 fucking blows
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@rzt430 world of warcraft has been holding massive comps with blizzcon every year for as long as i can remember even in shooter games there is always a meta does that mean shooters are not competitive ? Come to think about it some of the biggest esports games are very unbalanced like league of legends some heroes are well over tuned and will just crap on a loby unless you no nothing about moba games. Metas change all the time so making an mmo where it is easier to swap to a meta is how you make it comp viable this is just my opinion though but atleast in games like guildwars and the other games you mentioned if you truely are skilled at what you play you can atleast win and dominate in games unfortunately with throne and liberty it's about who spends the most time gearing or who spends the most money on gear it's just not a good way to build a game it's a greedy way it's sad really because throne and liberty is actually a really fun game but in arenas even with a 2300 gs I get crapped on by 3k+ players in optimised gear all the time.
Imho - If someone expects equalized PvP he should be playing some kind of moba or br in stand of the mmos.
You little fan boys pay him money to play games and then cry when he uses it to play games 🤔
Usual couple of stream-watching cucks. Pay an already rich dude to waste your own money and cry about it. Just watch and enjoy the content.
Pretty sure this fucker just got lucky with mixer deal, aint he spending 20k just from twitch subs which he has like 15-20k.
loll
uses it to win games*
Greatsword/Staff
bro is a running scarecrow doing 0 damage and faceslamming keyboard
Literally convinced he doesn’t know what his skills even do
20k seriously a rookie numbers remember a guy who spent 500k USD in Diablo Immortal NA sever to be no 1 in pvp and the game is dead 🤣🤣🤣
But this is just the beginning of this mmo, imagine future updates with better gear coming, which is already confirmed, whales would spend a lot more, and it goes on like that.
💀💀💀
Reminds me of this game i used to play Cabal Online. Some people surely have spent over 100k$ in that game, theres no way to get some of the gear at the pace they've gotten it without spending an absurd amount of money.
I spent like 2-3k and was like 2-5% the item power that some of these guys were and it gets exponentially harder to get stronger items the higher your power is. I can only imagine how much people have spent on that game. If i had to guess, easily 100-200k and that game has a lot of whales.
whaling opportunity in TnL are not that comparable to diablo immortal theres not much to burn ur money jere in TnL theres no daily,weekly, and monthly paywall here
You all are naming dead games that nobody plays right now
@@Brianmiter he spent maybe 500$ to max everything out lmfao its not 20k at all
The way both of those dudes said they wouldn’t like it to be normalized gear in arena sounded so cringe. You could hear how much money they spent on this game just in the tone. Dawg if you really want to be a clown and spend thousands of dollars just to get a slight boost then shit it ain’t gonna stop your fun if it’s locked to your server lol
20k USD and that low DMG is crazy bro
The game is not really p2w. Whales just rush the game fast, but I am almost fully geared being f2p. I haven't spent a single dollar. The difference is that whales get fully geared within 1 month and f2p takes around 3 months if u know how to play the auction house.
@@Sazz710 Iknow how the f2p and p2w works in TAL, im just saying he got 2 Archboss weapons and is doing no dmg. His combo is just generally not good even with archboss weapons that's what I wanted to say
He is using magna and umbra in this video. Also the video is a month old. Archboss hasnt come yet.
@@Na9Kyo Than look up his new videos with double Archboss weapons, same combo same DMG = low
@@IChriT then you should comment there instead this month old video...
Also yes, 16k dmg for dual arch boss weapons is kinda low...
Idk why ppl complain. He buys yalls item so f2p people can get in game currency
ppl who complain didn't understand system they might didn't even play this game too.
This is cracking me up, like it's just flexing I can get exactly what he's got for free just by playing the game for a bit and everyone's calling it p2w, I just call it laziness.
@marcfielding2460 it's more pay for convenience than pay 2 win but paying for all the best stuff early on really does make you godly keep in mind global release has only been out for like what 3 weeks ?
@@WeGameMate yeah we're fighting some swipers on Bellandir atm and they're were kicking our asses, we're catching up now though.
🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡
Stop simping
I don't see how it's a 20k character. Don't think there is even enough stuff to buy in this game for that much lol
It's cause he geared up to max when the game released and everything in the auction house was priced 100x. Now it's probably not even a fraction of the amount to get to where he is
@@a---------------and hes wat 3.5k? Im 3.3k spend 40 bucks so far 20 for bp and leveling and 20 for maxxing some traits lmao.
It’s because he’s doesn’t know how to gear and had to pay a lot more
20k on a game he knows he is gonna stop playing is crazy. That kind of wealth is unimaginable to me, forget the p2w shit.
20k is nothing mate, who cares about that? It ain't 200k lol...
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Tittle of this video should have been"Shroud and his yes-men complaining about everything and anything". Never seen such a sad interaction while playing a game, holy fk, hope I never turn into these bag of potatoes.
Gaming is suppose to be fun and these guys make it seem like it's a tedious job.
On the subject at hand though, MMO's isn't ESPORT eye-candy because it's not entertaining to watch as a casual. It's hard to relate to whats going on unless you play PvP in that specific MMORPG. It's fun for us cause we play it but not relatable without having some idea of whats going on.
This is why FPS's will always be the king of ESPORTs. People can understand the difficulty in getting clean head shots back to back, it's relatable to anybody.
Thats why I like this game, making money from this rich guys makes me feel a good Entrepreneur 😂
I love listening to these guys talk about this game as if it's actually good, they only like the fact you can buy everything you need to be able to kill players with way less power and boost your ego for a little while.
ooo thats why they play oooooo now i know wowww
True it's not like other players are enjoying the game or anything.
he spent 20k and Im higher rank on arena then him, full f2p
yeah pay more...
@@Wez_zen yet he is makes more money off this game then you will ever amke in your lifetime. i wonder whos winning
@@yeeeerrrr yeah thats the point
In T2 Tolerances are going to be the must instead of evasion?
that gear is nowhere near 20k and if he paid 20k for that EVEN when the bosses first came out then his guild truly fucked him over sad
He bought all of his stuff the first week the game got released when everything was priced x100
Poison stacks also reduces health recovery, which all HoTs in TNL are health recovery
why are we talking about rank 1 when you're 5 games in?
albion did it, I hope they balanced the zergs like albion...debuff them
20k is criminal. Wish I had it to spend on a game.
20k is a rookie numbers I still remember a guy who spent 500k in Diablo Immortal NA sever to be first rank in pvp and that game is dead 🤣🤣🤣
Go get a job
And best part is that hes contanly in red insted of saveing and geting out of it he spends it on this ,why the fk do ppl dontate to this woke..stop supporting him
@@Asentis1 lol 20k on a game, you can have a job and still not be able to spend that much on it. You tried tho.
@@keltoroni Stop coping by assuming. Not everyone is in your financial situation.
its so fun as a new player to go friendly match but then my team are always 3 solo new players with not full epic. and ofc we meet whales with 16/18k hp who one bursts us. very fun 10/10
i remember when he said this game is not that p2w compare to lost ark... he already sunk in 20k in t1... tbf the archboss weapon arent cheap but still
I get that Shroud is showing how the game is pay to win and trying to show the problem. But hes just making it so more people are willing to pay to win. Hes a role model for gamers and right now a bad one
No, the role model were the gamers and shroud is the example of gamers lowering their standards to the lowest that now mmos are in the biggest drought that p2w is the only way mmos are surviving now.
all games are pay to win unless its just skin lol. so as a spender is it ok for you to spend and just lose or play like free to play players? Besides in this game you can just spend the ingame credits to buy the items that free to play characters get and they dont even sell gears in the shop that gives big stat bonuses lol even costumes in this game dont give a damn stats.
I think you are very mistaken with what this video shows, you think he will get even close to top 10 ranks? No he will not, so p2w cannot help you to win.
This video is in the lowest ranks possible he could win these with blue untraited gear char..
Hes also doing a horrible job because the game isn't even that ptw he's no better than a ftp character lol
no hes really not a roll model. If he is you need to raise your standards.
Does he use health regen on his gear?
is he full evasion or endurance? seems he is runing a big chunk of HP
oh f***, really its shroud playing and he's the top... oh men
The healer is really good
I just got into this game, what makes this a 20k character? What does he have that I cant as a new player? How much time did he save in gearing compared to someone f2p?
He save alot of timeee
imagine how stupid can you feel when you meet the peoples who got top items without single money haha crazy
Is his server's auction house prices insanely inflated? I am confused how to spend 20k even with full traits in this game.
where tf would you even spend 20k
the best loot combined would cost 1k at max
I love how the dude talk is acting like he know how procs work lol its hilarious then shourd sits there with his thumb in his ass letting him feed this bullshit to the community then people jump in the game being trash
20k? On what? I can get a near perfect, endgame build together for like 1.5k
20k is what i have in my life savings, fuking blows my mind honestly so many better things could be done with peoples money but ey its there money so whatever do you bud
20k is litteraly pocket money and for some people its life changing thats the difference.
On top of that He either gets it back for tax return or tax reductions lol
@@cmkiller5032 no you really don't. Thats a myth as old as our tax system.
Lmao 20k ? I don't even know what he spent his money on tbh.
Even if you buy every single item in the marketplace it wouldn't amount to 20k on EU servers.
Your server probably doesnt have any whales or swipers. Auction house prices are different for each servers. Shroud spending 20k is reasonable because he's a streamer with big bucks. If ppl are seeing items sell for a high price, they'll keep it at that price. Welcome to a market that doesn't put prices at a fixed cap
@@Eskimo0s First prices are common for all servers in each region. So please don't spread misinformation.
Second, I have an alt in NA. It's indeed pricier, but there is no way to spend 1.2 million lucent.
It's simply almost impossible.
@massyl25 are you sure? I've checked myself on an early access server and launch servers and confirmed that prices are different
@@Eskimo0s EA and launch are also indeed split, for obvious reason.
But even then, even if he buy 2 archboss weapon and a full Bis gear in Korea, where there is a lot of whales, no bot, and much bigger prices, you'll never reach 1.2 million lucent...
Except if you really do it on purpose and use the most expensive way for every piece of gear without using any unlock stone or nothing the game provide you.
@@massyl25He probably bought full crafted gear and then fully traited everything 😂that right there Is a car lmfao
20k and can't one shot people? Nah, bro... I pass.
After he got his ass kicked in COD tournament he needs now to play mmos where he can buy skill 😂😂
its an mmo theres no skill either way its a br4ndead game. a 4yr old could play this lol
Haha, he just needs a real job. 0 Life skills.
@@jerbear3241 why would he need a “real” job when he can buy your whole generation 💀💀
wtf Shroud is playing my class.....
Only mmo I see coming close to esport viability would be BDO but even it would need tweaking. It has actual skill expression. Better players can beat more geared opponents. In capped settings better players will usually win. TNL is fun… but it’s rock paper scissors
link to build?
You actually dont need to spend this much to match him in power, the thing is that he has soo much diferent bluids with this money, he can play any weapon at high level if he wishes, if you stuck F2P 2 weapons you can play against him.
Exactly. Like he said, he had a fully traited boss wep sitting in storage.
The only reason Whales spent that much was because it was the start of the game, now the prices have dropped down to 70% for nearly everything the whales bought at the start for far more expensive. Only the whales who spent that amount to become the top guild was somewhat worth it, but otherwise it's a loss.
If i would spend more than 300 bucks i'd be like whats wrong with me 😂 showing supports is nice and they need it but reaching 1k is excessive. I get it though he is a streamer and wants the views, eitherway he is just using the streamer money so its all good. And he can feel powerful and atleast enjoy that aspect of the game.
What in the Wallet Warrior...
You can buy lucent online 10$ for 1000 so 1000$ will get you 10,000 whick is maybe enough to max out every trait if with top traits if you do it right ,so i dont think he spent 20k unless he's a idiot
But then again ,he maybe bought all his weapons and didnt grind for them and some weapons and armor go for like 10k lucent
There should be some law wheres if someones that rich that he can spend 20 thousand fucking dollars on a video game, he must donate half of that to some starving people, it would make a world a better place.
20k is cap. It doesn’t cost 20k to fully max trait a character maybe 2 to 5k if that $100 gets 6k in Lucent best in slot gear is about 10k lucent. And most traits are about 1k to 800 on the expensive end so maybe 2k worth of real money.
@slkskate have you seen the prices of things lol... you can very easily spend 20k and not have a full set of purple with all the traits. That's assuming he actually payed for all his stuff which I wouldn't put past him as he's filthy rich. 20k is a drop of damage to his bank account.
@@RurouniKenshinShinta most expensive thing i seen is a 21k lucent great sword thats about 400 dollars worth of lucent. I don’t think you guys get it either just because he’s well off doesn’t mean he’s dropping that much in a game. If you are a millionaire 20 is not financially responsible purchase. He already spoke in one video that he only spent about 400 on in game currency
you guys dont even play the game if you believe its 20k worth of gear lmao. Its probably not even 2k$ worth...
back when the game just launched that is 20k worth of gear. And still is terrible gear i mean GS and Staff? come on.
Clickbait title. He spent 20k in Lost Ark
facts. although he did spend a nice tax refund. lol
@@therealexpletive must be nice huh lol
Bro plays in my server. Not hard to find usually, if he’s afk whatever spawn he’s near will lag the fuck out. So many people swarming him it’s insane
What server
@@cervantemccloud9448 im not exposing the server lol. its already chaotic with his fanboys as is
is that gs staff?
20k and same GS as me thats been f2p for 3 weeks. 😂
do you think all 20k is for the weapon only? what a comment.
@@smolPig21 u dumb? he means Gearscore
Yeah, but he got normal sleep schedule compared to your f2p.
@@Dellyrium No he didn't
Just remember when Shroud played newly started Lost Ark and said "i have unlimited bank account" Whaling all around. Compared to that 20k from Shroud isn't that impressive
Fuck how much easier it is on PC
Just here waiting on New World : Mobile
Shroud is as interesting as grass growing. He's easily in top of the most boring streamers available
theres no way he spent 20k rn, 5k max
where did he spend 20k wtf ? was he stupid buying items first day :D iam literally bis and it cost if i tranfer lucent into money like 200e
it does not cost 20k to max your traits out lmfao
Shroud should let me hold 5k for my large scale build.
bruh it costs under 1.5k USD to fully trait out an entire purple set in t1. shroud said he spent 20k in lost ark not throne. whoever this channel is sharing this is dumb af
Pretty sure he spent 20k on lost ark. Not throne and liberty.
You can spend all you want but in reality you can never stay on top. Play and enjoy the game. If you dont like it, don't play it. it's just simple. I play this game to kill time, nothing else.
20k? Are you serious what did you buy... i spent $450 and i have 3.6k combat score with all my best in slot...I dont even understand how thats possible to spend that much
Nice waste of money dude 😂😂😂
@@ofensatul why is that a waste of money? if you have disposable income you can spend on whatever make you happy. Some people spend on drugs, drinks, clubbing, raves..etc unless you're so fking broke you think $450 is somehow a big deal then you're not on the same lvl. get a better job.
20k lucent not dollars
lol 20k... is sad number.... You can be very well geared out with 1k or even $500.... dude over spend on hype train. Heck If you just grind gear, and unlock traits alone... maybe less than $200 you need to gear out well. You can make VERY good Gear with just $100. That might be 20-30% difference in power. Heck if you just focus on meele evasion, get all BiS. Cost you less than $50.
I dont even know what he spent 20k on, unless its over priced items. Heck even Universal Band of Power is only like $150.
I feel like his guild is ripping him off for first drops from Guild Boss Runs.
Not that it matters dudes a multi millionaire xD
Have you looked at the trait prices for boss weapons? 12k Lucent per trait.
If you smart enoughh you can just fill lithograph for trait unlockstone@@Tankerbell83
@@Tankerbell83 lol Boss weapons not even out yet. Even biggest Whaler, cant even buy it cause their no way to craft it in the game. Also if your basing your build on Archboss you going to fail. That weapon ment as a 3 months farm.
"Can Shroud's 20k character get rank 1 arena in Throne and Liberty" LMAO what a stupid Question. The Question should be " Is he rly that bad with 20k Char?" Yes he is. Didnt see any skill just a 20k Char Headrolling Skills, because it doesnt matter at all lol
o.o why you only fight low rank im 1760 i get only top 20 every game wddf 32-11
What you mean 20K character? As in dolars? impossible...
It is. Buying Lucentt to max trait multiple epic build costs
@@86TrapHouseit does not cost 20k, Unless you're running every class
@@noxjpg9110false some traits on his server cost 3/10k lucent EACH he also has multiple sets
@@86TrapHouse I will say it again... IMPOSSIBLE. I maxed out with 500$ 3400CP , where is the 20K???? This title is crap..
@@86TrapHouse The only thing that makes sense here is that he spent 20K lucent! that is very much possible.
For what he spends that much money. Im free to play and nearly finished all traits and gear
All the drops you get have useless traits, like a middle finger to the effort you put in, saying, "Forget the work, just show me your credit card." Gaming is dead, this is just a sneaky slot machine that treats you like a fool and demands money.
This is a 20k character?? Im f2p and i could 1v1 this guy by stunlocking and nuking him.
20k LOL I spent $300 and have 3600 GS xD
Of course the whales would be against normalization.
I dont bother with pvp because i cant afford it.
I spent 600€ and I have the same gear
There are people far better than shroud who spent less. Games not that p2w
20k wasted, you can play this game free pretty easy. but i guess 20k is nothing for him.
shroud if you killl healer first you can wipe team lol
Sheesh, Shrowdy looking real washed nowadays
These MMOs are so interesting to me. We know it “failed” in KR, we know it isn’t the most appealing to the western audience so it is genuinely baffling that people would in theory BURN money on a game that might not have any form of longevity.
It lasted for how many years in KR ?
i don’t think you can speak of a “fail”.
@@lejedidelingo like less than a year? and was getting abandoned after less than 3 months, so, how is that a success?
@@lejedidelingo That’s a tad bit ironic mate, it didn’t even last 1 and their last ditch effort was to give it to the western whales.
relaxxxx he spend like 1k
lol lying bum can’t spend 20k in this game. You’ll max out under 3000
He calls POE 2 trash but plays Throne.. Guess we need to add pay to win to POE too, right?
love how dude talks shit about pvp in mmos yet hes average AF at it with best in slot gear...
You can max with 3k USD. nice clickbait
Dropping that much on a C tier game is wild.
How and Why does shrouds guild have 8 allied guilds in my server?? Cringe
He spends 20k in a game and people die from hunger...
20k is nothing...
What does his money have to do with that? He is not responsible for feeding starving people.how about YOU use your money to help starving people.
Arena ftw
richie rich got sposered gear by baba, this has nothing to do with fun. so rich but so poor
20k? lmao it's only like 500$ max to get everything maxed out....
500 to max out an adantus weapon. Just the weapon.
@@Tankerbell83 wtf are you talking about lmao its 13k lucent on my server which is 130$ You use x100 unlock trait stones and get 11 cheap traits for 300-400 each. The weapon itself would be max 150$ lol
You better 😅
I feel sorry for anyone who played this game longer then a week or two, that’s about how long it took me to realize how trash the game was, even in this video watching a player who spent so much on the game, look at that combat ? 😂😂😂😂😂😂 it’s a damn clunkfest, there’s absolutely zero flow to combat 😅
20k Lucent *
saddly skill cant be bought
what's the fun if you just whale it by spending money on useless, just watch how he plays.
Im so happy i quit this game on first week. Absolute garbo. Lost Ark 2
Comp is dogshit because you are literally locking onto someone in majority of mmo. So all it turns into is better gear and/or better character
he spent it in lost ark not throne. there is nothing in throne you could even spend that much on
Sure there is. Lucent
you could equip 20 fucking builds fully traited with 20k. the clip is out of context. I have almost 3k hrs playtime in throne between KR version and global. There is literally nothing to spend 20k for one single character in any capacity. Trash clip channel spreading misinformation with out of context clip implying he spent it in Throne and not Lost Ark like he clearly said in the full version. Archboss weapons arent even out yet and even if he has a full entire Archboss build, it still would not be 20k kekw
@@86TrapHouse with 20k lucent u would have 3 full builds bro no
20k and 0 dmg nice char
The critical flaw many are making is forgetting he is shroud. That being said he will easily make back 20k if he even spent that much. That being said get pay to win rekt scrubs.