Xbox's Plan For Growth Is... Game Pass?
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The more I see things like this, the more I appreciate the genius of Gabe who kept Valve private and safe from these shenanigans.
From The Duran to Asmongold, you are everywhere!
@@user-pg5sz2vn1w rocksmith requested it, no ? and helldivers has nothing to do with valve. So what are you even saying ?
@@user-pg5sz2vn1w wdym valve gave free refunds, which made sony backtrack.
@@user-pg5sz2vn1whelldivers is Sonys cake tho not valves. They just sold it on steam.
I swear I’ve seen this Gabe comment 100 times under 3 different Asmon videos
I'm sick of subscriptions and I'm sick of micro transactions
if gamepass made games come with all dlc it would be good , but buying dlc for a game you cannot play withouth a subscription is insane
Cosmetic micro transactions are not an issue if the game is free.
@@MrRafagigapr thats a you problem, if game pass included dlc the price for the subscription would skyrocket to make up for the money microsoft would have to spend to get games on game pass, if you see a game you like on game pass and you want to buy the dlc you buy the full game with the game pass discount and then buy the dlc.
'sup sicko brrt brrt lezgo wicked yup
@@adamboyd8316the issue is thinking exactly that 😢
Asmon : M$ is not stupid, they know what they are doing.
Asmon 3mins later: M$ doesnt know what they are doing shutting down tangle studio.
classic Asmon
it must be hard when u realize Asmond is smarter than you XD
Microsoft knows what theyre doing in the Big-game where it goes about Billions.
But yeah they have no clue in the small decisions, they really dont care at all about that little loss.
Now i need to put an example cause u mostly still dont get it:
Small-game: Great games and very small money with tango
Big-game: Buy ALL studios and close them so only u exist anymore
They just didnt check the small stuff, it just goes down with the big tidal wave decisions.
@@Shadowclaw25 what you said about MS contradicts when Asmon saids, but you also said he's smarter.
He's talking out of his ass. Most of these developing countries will never utilize cloud gaming or it'll be a really long time. Shit us in the usa hardly use cloud gaming that often.
@@urekmazino6800 you telling me the Tajikistan and Gambia wont have gigabit fiber optics in a year or two? Or most of PSN blacklisted countries either?
Funny thing is that gamepass numbers are more scuffed than the PlayStation plus numbers. Because gamepass changed their xbox live model into a gamepass core. So everyone who had xbox live is now technically a "gamepass member." That explains why the gamepass member count jumped from 25 to 34 mill in just a year. I also found this quote from an article I found showing xbox gamepass lost members.
"From there it doesn’t take long to figure out the math. 25 million Game Pass subs back in 2022, added to the reported 11.7 million Xbox Live Gold (now Game Pass Core), makes almost 37 million total. That’s approx. 8% difference, which - assuming there’s nothing behind the scenes that accounts for it - means that Xbox Game Pass has lost almost 3 million subscribers since 2022."
Meaning that gamepass is declining.
also, Game pass is Core (6.99€) + Game pass console (9.99€) + PC Game pass(9.99€) + Gamepass Ultimate(14.99€). We do not know how much is actually Ultimate subscribers and how does it complare to PS plus structure. It makes more sense to simply compare the sum. 34 mil. vs 47 mil. There might be less Ultimate subscribers as PS plus premium subscribers or less PC game pass subscribers as PS plus Extra subscribers. Just saying
Exactly, I was saying the same thing, Gamepass has tiers as well and they forced live users into Gamepass to increase user base
Don’t worry about it tho it will shoot up if cod is in the gamepass day 1. I find so crazy how much we all care about if Microsoft is making money lol. I don’t care if they’re losing subs or money if I can subscribe and get a bunch of cool games at my disposal I’m all for it why should it matter to me if it’s a good business model for them? All those big names at Xbox and Microsoft are millionaires.
That math doesn't add up though as it's incomplete data.
That's taking the old 25 million gamepass number [console+PC+ultimate] and just directly adding gold to it.
Many people would have already had both gamepass and gold as it was, and with gold/core being included in ultimate, a switch from gold+console to just ultimate would be a reduction in the total number without losing any subscribers.
Similarly, if people had been subbing to console and PC separately, then upgraded to ultimate, the number would drop from 2 to 1 but no subs were actually lost.
Without a full and transparent breakdown of the numbers, 34m being lower than 37m is actually completely meaningless and highly misleading.
Players of Blizzard games: Thank you! Thank you! Microsoft has freed us!
Microsoft: Oh, I wouldn't say freed. More like, under new management.
Hall, Megamind - nov 5, 2010
Blizzard is responsible for a lot of its own failures. It has nothing to do with who owns it.
No no no no no no no no. Blizzard caused effectively all its issues
@@cablefeed3738The people that own them can tell them to stop fucking up. Many people can have responsibility at the same time.
@@Jobocan.you dont know the industry works please stop talking
I guess people didn't want to own nothing and be happy.
look at what ubisoft did, you own the game but then they decided not to support it anymore and recalled all the keys to those games. So, you never owned it either.
the truth is, owning or renting/streaming, the only thing that matters is playing the games. and buying digital media isnt owning anyway so might aswell take the cheaper option.
you will beta test the games
you will find ze bugz
and you will be happy
Has been a thing with digital media for a while, look at how they censored and removed things from the Skullgirls artbook people brought on steam
idk why yall really want to own something, a casual gamer is always trying to play new games, I bought Hogwarts fineshed the game and I'll never look at it again unless there's a DLC, the game is not even installed anymore. I would much happier if I had played it for $10 than $70, couldnt care less about not owning it. I moved from my xbox X to pc and right now I just downloaded Jedi Survivor, Madden 24, manors lord, if I had to buy it would have cost a lot, what means that I simply wouldnt have the opportunity to play this games now, truly dont understand the hate with gamepass
Does asmond has any idea of how shitty internet is here on south america?
There is no way that cloud gaming would succed here on a big scale.
Over centuries it will get better
@@dox.Kthink you meant decades dawg
You BRICS countries will have money very soon, essentially you are getting away using the dollar for trade.
Your obviously uneducated about the subject, South America median speed is relatively fast. Fiber optics became the primary source for internet in South America in 2021 and by 2028 will be 90% of connections. Chile has the 5th fastest internet by median in the world, faster then the US. Brazil is 27th and Costa Rica and Peru have approximately the same internet speed.
There are people here in Hungary, who still get internet only through satellite and mobile.
Also one thing everyone is missing is once they get you and the majority on Game Pass they will jack up the price like Netflix did.
Realistically, even if it was 20 for normal GP a month, and $30-35 for ultimate a month. It's still worth it in the yr over yr or even on a month to month basis.
People seem to forget games cost $75 a pop now a days or even $40 for half decent good indie titles. What would you rather do? Spend 20-35 a month to try it out and several hundred titles you may never buy but curious about or buy every game and regret it because it's a shit game?
Clearly if you have kids it's new to them so it's good for a family situation.
At the end of the day it's a good deal even if it was $50 a month it's still cheaper then a movie date with a woman.
@@zonedout3390no it’s not worth. It’s not worth at all cause you won’t have the time to play those games cause the majority of people play 2-3 games a year or only one particular game. Only >1% of players have that much free time to really use GP exhaustively.
@@zonedout3390 Wrong. It's more expensive than a movie date dressed up as a woman. You're not thinking 4th dimensionally peanut butter falcon.
It's great for families and people with a lot of time + no library
@@zonedout3390I'm playing the sims 3 for the last 3 years. I know lots of people just playing one game or 2-3 games years after years. So about 50% of people will think 30-40 bucks a month is a waste of money. I can only play 3 hrs a day (max) and I know most adults who have a job will be in the same situation.
The thing that people miss is how much unaffordable cloud gaming is for majority of the world. Most third world nations do not provide unlimited data. Streaming COD for 4hrs at max performance might be all it takes to exhaust a months worth of data. Simply put, even if the software ever gets there, Cloud gaming will basically only be restricted to first world nations
This is interesting, I never thought of that. So basically what youre saying is: Cloud gaming requires unlimited data --> only relatively wealthy people have unlimited data --> cloud data is only accessible to the relatively wealthy but they can afford hardware so they dont need it --> cloud gaming will not open any new markets?
@@plantex625 It may open new markets but I think Asmon, by not knowing the data costs, doesn’t include that in his predictions. The reason why disk games are still popular in 3rd world nations is because of data speeds and data in general. I grew up in Cameroon and it’s so bad, it could take most of your day just to download a movie. Even when I went to visit, I was constantly paying an astronomical amount just to add data so I can watch UA-cam for most of the day. The amount I spend on unlimited here was only enough to barely cover 2 weeks and that’s with me using my rich American money. Look at the minimum wage in these countries and you will find out how unaffordable it is to constantly pay for those high data rates.
not only that but the speed and latency requirements of cloud gaming means the service cost is on the high side even if they are available.
That isn't solely a problem in 3rd world nations. Some ISPs in the US have monthly bandwidth caps (ex. Xfinity). Not to mention, there are many places in the US that don't have fast internet. The legal definition of high speed internet in the US is only 25mbps, which isn't that much. If you want good latency and performance from streaming games in the cloud, you might be hard pressed finding that speedy fiber optic connection outside of large metro areas.
This is where they make most their money sooooo I don't think they are worried about unlimited 5g/5g+/6g and wifi 6-7. It's just if enough can convert in the next 5+ years. Many other countries even less profitable are also investing into cloud based gaming that we never heard of that Microsoft teamed with. It doesn't have to be competitive just playable.
Playstation blocked 200 countries from helldivers 2 without a care. No gain for them due to wealth, regulations, or population. Even their new game launching on steam is the exact same.
Game pass is good for kids without steam and tons of free time. I barely have time to play the 2 or 3 good games that come out. Why would i need 10000 old games for free. Plus I have a massive backlog of games I need to play and probably will never get to.
gamepass is a DEI injection tool targeting children & adult versions of children
Disagree IMO. Plenty of good games come out on gamepass. Another crabs treasure, Lies of P, Palworld, Manor Lords, Forza Motorsport, Vampire survivors, Forza, Jedi Survivor, Rainbow 6 Seige. If you bought a small portion of those your well over the yearly gamepass fee. Plenty of productive adults can play 4 or 5 games a year.
Twenty dollars a month isn't hurting anyone for Game pass 🎮🎮🎮🎮
Plenty of people are paying for it. It's Netflix for gaming basically
because if you play more than two games on it a year you are saving money. I think that is pretty good and most, not all gamers would probably play more than that
Good for someone that just want to try the game, or a third worlder like me who cant buy expensive game (Persona 3 Reload for me)
The number 1 bar to entry for gamepass in my opinion is people are sick of subscription based crap. Sure I get a lot of great games for a cheap price but what happens if I stop paying Microsoft? They disable my ability to play said games online or altogether. Yeah stuff it, I'm not paying you to gatekeep me out of my own games
people paying for ps-network + the game, i like gamepass, who play games forever ?
Bro they arent your games unless you purchase them. In which case you dont need gamepass to play them anymore. And unless your buying a physical disc, you dont own it! Even physical discs can be made to no longer function via update.
I feel for the first time in history there are multiple massive corporations that are hitting total market saturation and the financial panic is setting in... interesting times.
Latency requires physical infrastructure. That’s great in a city where the majority of the population have access to fiber but the reality is you aren’t going to have that infrastructure in developing markets. Asmon is way more bullish on cloud than the reality of the situation suggests
Thats why I don't care for it at the moment. I'm in rural WV with bad internet, unless they upgrade my infrastructure here I simply can't take advantage of it.
Yea I dont see Brazil and India being able to be viable cloud stream gaming markets in the next 5 years. Just seems unrealistic to expect thst. If MS strategy is currently based on such looooooong-term expansion plan, then their current action of layoffs doesnt make much sense to me
@@solidkwon Honestly Brazil and India will probably get better connection earlier than countries like Germany. When I lived there I was shocked to see that they still don't have fibers in their big cities and have awful connection compare to everywhere in East Europe.
Yeah, if cloud was so great why did Stadia die at launch essentially? 😅 We don't have the infrastructure for it and won't for a long time in most places.
Yes but also 10s of millions from the developing world are moving to first world countries every year. Make the customers come to infrustructure...
Someone tell Asmon about the speed of light.
Its so frustrating that he doesnt understand the natural hardware latency of fibre optic cables. Unless we invent something that can transmit data at many times faster than the speed of light, it wont happen. Or unless they put servers on every street lol.
@@proudofyourroots9575 single mode, glass optical fibre, which afaik is the industry standard for medium to long range connections, adds about 1 milisecond of latency per 200 kilometres. add on a few miliseconds for routing and optical modem overhead, then, unless you live literally thousands of kilometres from the nearest datacentre with these cloud gaming machines, the added latency should be 30 miliseconds or less. for multiplayer games, some of this latency can be recouped by colocating the cloud gaming machines with the game servers, thereby reducing client-server latency to single-digit miliseconds, compared to ~30ms for regular users living within reasonable distance to those game servers.
the speed of light is not the problem. the real issues for cloud gaming imo are bandwidth, data caps and economics. geforce now, for example, recommends a bandwidth of 50 Mb/s for 1080p60 on their service (although ofc they use variable bitrate encoding for tolerance), that can already be a tall ask for many people, especially in developing countries (south america, india, etc., as asmon mentioned). assuming you do have that bandwidth reliably and that it *does* actually use all 50 Mb/s for streaming the game, that would use up ~22 *Gigabytes* of data for an hour of gaming. many people (again, especially in developing countries) have data caps on their internet, often in the houndreds of gigabytes per month, which this would easily chew through in a matter of days. this would make it an extreme non-starter for many, unless microsoft/xbox negotiate exceptions with their isps. then there's the economics: building up cloud-gaming capacity is a big capital risk, plus the cost of electricity, the cost of data on their end, plus maintenance and management, hardware depreciation, and all that on top of their current capital risk of putting games on game pass AND the inevitable desire for higher profit margins (otherwise why bother with all of this?). somehow all of this has to be priced competetively versus buying a console/pc outright, which i don't see happening right now.
"The speed of light is always getting better."
@@proudofyourroots9575 quantum superposition is definitely going to be the far far future of internet. No need to worry about light speed.
What does speed of light have to do with anything
Idk about all yall I love just owning my physical copy of the game I don’t need 100 plus games as a subscription service when I’m never going play many of those.
Tell us you’re old
@@kavid8120 He is right, and I'm not even old. Old people have the movie/book backlog, young people have the gaming backlog.
Physical copy is just becoming link to server where the game is.
Some of my games are scratched, and yeah it's my fault but also it's probably never going to change , so dont like that part
@@kavid8120so people gotta be old to not be dumb and to actually want to own things they buy?🤡 tell us you ain’t fully vaccinated 😂
18:51 Pretty weird statement there. We don’t have Game Boy’s anymore because first the DS and 3DS replaced it, and now Nintendo unified their console and handhelds with the Switch. THAT is why we don’t see Game Boy anymore.
If they really want to tap into the PC market, all they'd have to do is bite the bullet and get Steam implementation.
or stop blatantly hyping up games to just put them on one special platform. my pc can run every single new xbox game, but they only let you play about 25% of them. and you need to have the blizzard launcher installed, running in the background, for your xbox launcher to even work correctly.
??? they put all their games on steam....
@@nathanhargenrader645 What he meant is making Game Pass directly on Steam, Kinda like How u can get the EA PLAY Subscription directly from Steam Store👀
We're tslking about GamePass PC, not Steam@@nathanhargenrader645
Or make xbox shop a lot better
Subscriptions lead to customer hesitancy.
"This new release looks good, I'll wait for it to be on gamepass"
This game looks good I’ll wait for it to be on steam sell. Well that’s my thinking
@@007DeAngelo that's not the topic though.
Yeah I feel like Microsoft really wanted the subscribe n forget you subscribed types of ppl but in this economy ain't nobody forgetting so it's schedule your vacation time or wait for holidays n sub for a month, game a ton n unsub. Lol however I will say it did force Sony to try n compete n Microsoft can tank more $ then Sony can. Hell look what they've been able to do with exclusives as Sony is looking like they dropping exclusivity as well now so perhaps it worked to plan after all.
Same thing with many publishers who put their games on sale really soon after release. I know someone who always buys Ubisoft games at release, but has finally decided to stop recently because she knows it'll just go on a 50% discount 3 months later anyway, with bugfixes, performance improvements and QoL updates as an added bonus, so what's the point in buying it on release?
That's one of the reasons why Nintendo games sell so well - there's no hesitancy waiting for a better deal, because the best you'll get is 30% off, years down the line, and the games generally release in a pretty finished state. Meanwhile on the same platform you look at Mario vs Rabbids Sparks of Hope (from Ubisoft again, funny how that works, huh?) which everyone saw and went "looks nice - I'll grab it when the gold edition is like $15, like I did with the first game", and then the game didn't sell well at release at all
That is what happened with Hi-Fi RUSH. The game pass cannibalized the game's sales and it led to Microsoft seeing the game as a failure. The game pass like EGS is where games go to die.
I gotta imagine if Hi-fi Rush hadn't been on Game Pass it would've had at least twice the sales. You could argue that its availability helped get the name out there and increased sales, but It was already getting a lot of attention before the game even came out. I'm sure that the word of mouth and people playing the game online would've gotten more people to get the game.
It would have like half at most.
Gamepass gives you a discount + promotes the game way more, you can read interviews of smaller developers talking about how it helps the game.
It was shadowdroped in the direct. There was no attention before because nobody knew it exist
I’m glad i played Starfield on gamepass vs spending $70 for a few hours of gameplay
Do all these companies constantly fucking up still make enough money? Cause all I hear is:"Oh this flopped, and this didn't sell, and this upset people and noone is playing it." but none of these companies seems to go broke and just vanish. Why?
Actually, companies are closing and the game industry is in the middle of a bloodbath of layoffs.
Hello socialism
I think they are being subsidized by someone...there's no way that CEOs and all the intelligent ppl that huge mega-corps like these have at their disposal, can consistently make the same mistakes over, and over, and over, when 99% of the fans know exactly what they need to do in order to be successful...this is willful and intentionally kicking themselves in the balls.
Depends on the company. A company like Activision blizzard subsidizes failures with wow
Companies like Arkane Austin shut down
How do you expect Microsoft to go broke when their fourth biggest money maker is failing?
I was always baffled by how corporations expect that they will grow forever. It already bites them in the ass when they can't, and they begin to cut corners...
Much of the expectation comes from the law. Companies have a legally binding fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders to make a profit.
The population has been on an exponential growth curve for 1000 years. These new people buy and sell products. This increase in people increase profits for companies. It's pretty simple
@@Frank_Einstein. Blackrock gotta be stop
@@droyal18able not exponential for sure, and mostly in developing countries. Who are NOT buying your new star wars game for 140 bucks...
@@AyoKeito globally population growth is exponential. Believe it or not companies sell in different countries also.
This guy saying that 500$ for a console isn't an inhibitive cost for a lot of people is crazy to me.
Some people have no sense of price scale. I own a Xaomei Redmi Note 10 Pro. It cost me a month worth of my salary, back when I bought it. Some guy who reviewed it here on YT, called it a budget phone and was surprised it came with it's own charger and a silicone phone case, in the box.
@@chadmagnus5850 That's a budget phone in any 1st world country for sure. That's nothing on most people salaries in Europe, the USA, Canada, Japan or Australia
That's 4 months of Game Pass.
Its asmongold, what do you expect
@@drazgul1 I am Hungarian, and this shows the difference in economies.
"I don't think that xbox management is stupid"
"I don't think xbox is mismanaged"
He might be the only person who thinks this. He talks from a position of ignorance.
"Latency will improve" - except for that it won't unless you either bring the people closer to the data center or the data center closer to the people, because of speed of light
God and that's if we lived in a perfect world where distance would be the only issue
"There, have your network congestion. Sorry not sorry, line is just full"
"What do you mean we have countries that has less latency playing with foreigners than with themselves"
"Sorry, construction workers has just cut your optical fiber lines, this could have been totally avoided teehee"
"Oh your ISP is down for maintenance. Btw, the contract said it's this bitrate so don't complain we can't keep it up lol"
Unless the cloud is directly inside people's building, latency will NEVER improve
You can find maps of data centers to be built and you'll notice they are a little more rural but they'll be located based of the population they serve to reduce latency.
Yep. Cloud gaming as a product may become more reliable over time, but that doesn't necessarily mean everyone can still use it reliably. Lots of people, especially outside of urban areas, have internet access that isn't close to what's necessary for using cloud gaming.
@@kawkasaurous Its too expensive. It can be improved, but never to local hardware gaming levels. Theres a reason stock exchanges use rolls of fibre to create literal hardware latency. Youd need servers in every neighbourhood at least, not even just every city.
Maybe in 50-100 years. Decades at least.
MS doesnt even like the cost of windows update servers so makes them p2p based as standard , unless you disable it.
Yes, networks not yet ready. Bet Asmon uses mostly high speed LAN patch cables for his private gaming server. Lets meet again after 80% fibre to the home coverage.
Corporations want you to have to pay for subscriptions. You will own nothing unless you VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET! Digital only sucks!!
People have already voted with their wallet. Steam, a digital only platform, is more popular than ever and the last time Valve made a physical PC disc was in 2011 with release of Portal 2. Digital already won.
lol. Vote with your wallet. Digital, live service and microtransactions won. They decimated physical. it wasn't even close.
@@duerf5826 Digital was great until it was revealed we can lose access to titles. But overall I still like digital
Finally someone who understands that buying digital games and subscription are the same in the concept that you own nothing
I would never pay for a digital game. It is the main reason I don't want a PC. I wouldn't even play on PC if I got a fancy one for free. I see no appeal in not owning things.
Bro utterly embarrassed himself with his „analysis“ of PS Plus vs. Game Pass and then kept on clinging to his false narrative
Latency is ultimately limited by speed of light. The distances even within a small country are enough to become significant. Unless cloud gaming providers just put a server let's say within 300km of anyone I can't see it being comparable to playing on your local device.
Its a potentially lose lose for them. Either they put cod on gamepass and lose sales since nobodys gonna pay $70 for something they get something for free with their game pass subscription. Or they dont put it on game pass and essentially lie and go back on their promise of 1st party games being on game pass day one which will 100% not go over well with pamepass users
They already indicated they are putting it on gamepass. Lots of folks will still buy it including all folks playing it on PlayStation. They will also get a larger audience for cod which will increase revenue of micro transactions which already makes more then game sales.
Someone should look at apex revenue vs new content development. You might be onto something with that micro transactions out pacing initial investment purchase costs. I know it’s absolutely the case with destiny 2.
@@FidilisfoolDoesn't mean it will be a permanent increase though, most people hate the microtransactions. And the people who buy them are either: have enough money to buy stuff regularly or maybe one or two things. If you have people using gamepass to play an expensive game, that should tell you that they are concerned with saving money where they can.
why everybody forget microtransactions anbd dlc ? with call of duty in the gamepass you make people stay on the gamepass with the multiplayer, then you make spend money with microtransactionsand dlc...boom you have a little less money but peacocks finally stay on the game pass.......they see offers on other games, they enjoy other games and oh..ther are dlc too?meh i didn't pay fot the game...meh i can pay for a dlc (hellooo power wash simulator :p)
I think more people will stay for the older call of duty titles if they do happen to be on gamepass. With the newer call of duty, people may not stick with it and just decide its not worth it and just buy it outright. But the older call of duty's, people have been clamouring for ways to play old cod titles for years on modern hardware amd won't be stuck to the ps3/ps4 era. I see users sticking to gamepass permanently.
Microsoft invested everything on Gamepass, but the subriscptions aren't enough. It's simple.
80% of the total xbox players (120 million total players) are not subscribed to game pass at all which means they all have silver xbox live status because there is no point having xbox live anymore. There just isn't any good new games because they're full of microtransactions and subscriptions and players are sick of subscriptions on everything.
@@RBFR01 where do you get your numbers?
Microsoft is a 3 trillion dollar company. Gamepass is like 1% of their profit big guy.
Gamepass trained their users not to buy games but to wait
@@KnightSoulsG you get early access and a discount on new games. You don't have to wait for anything.
I recently watched Buckaroo Banzai and the antagonist looks just like Asmongold, young John Lithgow
Nintendo does still make a “Game Boy,” it’s called the Switch, and it’s one of the best selling systems ever made.
Microsoft’s big move for Game Pass is going to be getting it on the other consoles. They want Game Pass on everything. Anything that can have Game Pass is a place they want it to be. But at the moment the biggest untapped markets for them would be PlayStation and Switch. I wouldn’t be surprised if Game Pass shows up on Switch 2 when that comes out in what sounds like it could be the very near future.
I don’t see consoles going away anytime soon. Not until there’s a cheaper option...which the PC isn’t. Like the moment something like Game Pass just works on your television, or works on something like a Roku, that’ll be the end of “consoles” most likely. But that isn’t happening for a while. Even if consoles have just one more generation after this one that’s still another decade. Thing is America’s Internet infrastructure is garbage, so streaming games here as some king of massive business is kind of off the table for now. Like if these companies really want to get into streaming gaming here they’re going to need to build the infrastructure for it across America first.
I wouldn't use a PC even if I was given one for free. I'd just sell it to someone else. They'd need to put disc drives back into PCs for me to even consider it. I have zero interest in digital games, I don't want rentals.
Animal Well took 8 years to make. Remember it was one person.
Ghost of a Tale, an indie game that looked like a AAA game when it came out, was made by seven people, *if* I remember correctly.
And you have AAA games taking just as long with hundreds of people working on it
Hats off to all the Game Pass users who find the time to play dozens of different games each month.
For sure. Sometimes when I get home from work I'll play Madden for about 45 min, then I'll play vampire survivors for about 45 minutes, then finish off the night with either fable or diablo 4. As someone who can get bored of a game for a few weeks, it's nice to have options to choose from to find my next game to play.
@@stephsman51 same here.
It's a crazy good deal yeah.
"play" = download for 5 mins, try it for 20 mins, realize it sucks, uninstall and repeat
@@blaken3824 seems like a you problem.
Well the thing for me is Netflix doesn’t really have stuff to watch it has so much stuff yet nothing to watch 90% of the time for me I don’t understand how that is possible lol
There is a such thing as too much choice. Difference is when you go to buy one game, the choice is easier and you are invested in that game more. So you are more likely to finish it and enjoy the experience. Stakes are involved outside the game. With Netflix vs blockbuster same thing
Everyone is different. But for me that's 100% true. In late December. I got 3 month Xbox pc pass as gift. In less than a week I download many game and hardly play any. I end up playing games I already own on my PC and switch.
When I buy game. The there are little more thought put in that decision compare to subscription downloads. So that also factors in longevity of play time.
As a gamer I like gamepass, as a human I like buying the games and supporting the devs, like Alan Wake 2. There's certain games I'd prefer to own than borrow. Gamepass just feels like renting games. I'll get a month here and there but I'm not going to keep giving $15 well past the price of the one or two games I'm playing.
Something that wasn't discussed is that people just add 1 month of Game Pass, play the game they want, then cancel. A friend of mine does this. They pay about $10 for a AAA game. You can't make profit this way, or at least it isn't sustainable.
Also games being 60 dollars and 70 dollars for triple aaa is cheal but other than that it's only quilty yet we got terrible indie level aaa games well indie games are aaa level and stat the same price
So your saying it's a great deal for the customer.
@@droyal18able That isn't really the topic, but I wouldn't know personally. From everything I've heard, yes. Good for the customer, but a burden on XBox.
@GBKakuzu Xbox gaming revenues increased by 16.5% in 2023, compared to $15.563 billion in 2022. Just look it up man. They are doing fine. All these people complaing don't know crap about business or investing.
@@droyal18able Got it. They're closing studios for fun and the line on the graph during the Sarah Banks interview was going down because everything is great. 👍
They need to make game pass like UA-cam. Anyone can create a game and submit it to game pass for people to play as long as they are subscribed. The creators get money based on the number of downloads.
The gamepass numbers also include the now merged xbox live gold numbers too.
So PS+ technically has more. Take away essential and gamepass core and gamepass does has rougly double the subs
Asmongold: “Microsoft knows what they’re doing”
Yes, they do. But in software. The Xbox division doesn’t know what they are doing, and ESPECIALLY Phil doesn’t know what he is doing.
Both Sony and Xbox are showing that they don’t know what they’re doing
Since GamePass came out, I’ve been saying the it would be the killer of Xbox. It reminded me of all the streaming services that are cluttered with content. The appreciation for playing a game all the way through is lost because you have so many options of games to play. Also a first party game releases going to game pass day one is a terrible idea overall
Xbox is dead since the 2010s.
Must be the most resiliant zombie ever.
@@DirkSchlemmer-tw8kp since the Phil Spencer takeover and the Xbox one media machine in 2013? I can definitely agree with that.
Unless you are from a rich first world country were games are 60 bucks instead of almost half the min wage Xbox gamepass is like the best thing that happened to games since steam.
@@GatMan808 you know that was sarcastic.
@@GS_CCC It's a good deal until it isn't. Just like the OP mentioned, Game Pass is just a rehash of what the streaming services have been going through recently. They found out that the price to keep content on the service outweighed subscriptions so they had to do things like raise prices (Netflix costs almost 3 times as much as it did 10 years ago to get essentially the same level of service) or add ads to subsidize those costs. Expect Microsoft to continue to boost the cost of Game Pass over time until it becomes untenable as a monthly service. I have a feeling the breaking point will be $25 USD/month.
The overall architeture of the modern internet is designed around caching not latency optimisation. Therefore, I doubt cloud gaming will become a thing until a new infrastructure stack is put in place.
recently thought about getting a Legion Go but tested GP Ultimate Streaming on my IPad (9) with PS4 Controller instead. Worked extremely well in my home wifi. And btw: None of my friends has GP here in Germany. Game Pass could become huge outside the US in the future.
The industry can't crash fast enough
Yeah can we just all line up and push the entire fucking thing over? I'm done with triple AAA gaming. Trash all the big companies that used to be good back in the day because all the stuff indie devs are popping out is MORE than adequate to redefine quality for the gaming industry. They actually have standards because they're made by gamers, for gamers.
@@davidmoak1219 We can, it's called stop buying games for a few years. No old games, no new games, revenue needs to stop entirely. Of course it has to be most people doing that.
The reason this crash is so slow (it started somewhere between 2008 to 2012) is that, despite all the shit, people are still buying. Things will only get stupider while people keep supporting it. Something like Ubisoft selling Star Wars Outlaws for 120$ with basically nothing to warrant the upcharge, it will become standard practice, and eventually the default version of games.
We never criticized horse armor hard enough.
We need the gaming crash of 1983 again, to rid us of this dreck (like E.T. the game).
Crashing this market, with NO survivors.
I guess i fit that cause i only buy retro games now from used markets. I completly lost hope for modern games and tired of not getting physical media thats complete.
All these subscriptions are made by companies who don't understand how netflix became successful. (It started small and took almost twenty years)
Netflix was built on old unappreciated content from third party publishers.
GOG is the closest thing in gaming to Netflix, it's just not a subscription.
That's not how Netflix started tho. Netflix was the equivelent to BlockBuster. Not GoG or whatever else.
Netflix was ONLY successful during the period which they had most media in it, and Xbox just spent a decade buying up almost every studio and IP.
will they offer COD SP on a basic game pass and then for MP it will be a premium like a PS+ for online games
Am I missing something? Why did he compare game pass numbers to ONLY PS+ Extra and Premium packages? Because 47M vs 33M didn't fit the narrative of Xbox game pass being more popular?
He just doesn't want to be wrong, I made a comment about him being way off about gamepass when he said it was like 5x bigger about a week ago. It's really lame, I think he just feigned ignorance to save face even though it's easy as fuck to figure out
@@user-ss4vc6jd8t He's just a guy who plays vidya, not an authority on the subject lol. You are too invested in another man
Microsoft’s main platform is Game Pass, not Xbox. It’s even Microsoft gaming now, not Xbox.
You guys love rumors
Who needs cloud gaming? The worst "you own nothing" nightmare. No mods, no cheats, no owning, nothing.
If buying isnt owning then piracy isnt theft.
Most AAA games are just not worth owning, literally play through once and forget forever. Also even without subscriptions, digital owning is a scam that will hit us in the future when companies either go bankrupt or recall licenses, or cut out multiplayer.
You just cant see the real world, just like the guy in the video saying about the country. A lot of people needs cloud gaming, there are very few people that have money to spend on a console or a gaming pc, in Brazil for exemple a PS/XBOX costs around 1000 usd, what means you need 4 months of a minimum wage to buy it, but everybody has a smartphone, imagine how many people would play a gta 6 if it is avaible on their cellphones through cloud gaming? COD Mobile is huge, and they make a lot of money out of it with skins and things like that, and a lot of people dont care about not owning something, myself for exemple, I paid $70 for Hogwarts legacy and I will never play it again unless there's a DLC, I would much rather pay $10 and not owning than pay 70$ just to be able to download again in the future
the folks tryna eliminate piracy "needs" cloud gaming
Especially considering that modern phones are more powerful than Switch which can handle any kind of gameplay.
GamePass is great as a Blockbuster replacement. Not being able to rent games anymore does put up a huge barrier for people not economically positioned well enough to buy $70 dollar games every month.
or you could just wait for a sale
Asmongold: "I don't think Microsoft is stupid. I don't think they are clueless on what they are doing"
Me: They've proven just that for the last 11 years bro. 11 years...the Xbox One released in 2013. Let that sink in.
What's your point? Do you remember Series X|S in 2020? Who cares about Gen 8, you still playing WiiU?
I am.
I'm playing Wii U. Bought it last year, actually xD
@@ilvanezzo I think you misconstrued what I meant, lol. Yes people are still playing Gen 8 consoles but the online network was shutdown in 2019 and the market is not dependent on money from second hand console sales.
@@MF-Shogun-Mouro My point is 2013 is when it went all downhill for Xbox. They've had 11 years to turn it around and still can't.
@@meteor22 Not true, Xbox a subsidiary of Microsoft profits grew by 50% year over year just in 2020-2021. Xbox profits are dependent on software sales, not console sales.
“You’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy.”
please drink verification can
Never!
Arrrr, it's the pirates' life for me!
@@TLKdavid You can still be an ass pirate and buy game pass.
"Life breaks free. Life expands to new territories. Painfully, perhaps even dangerously. But life finds a way". - Famous Guy
Theres a typo at the end, it is
"But life uh... finds a way"
- Lil Pump
as gamers become older on average and work becomes more remote and online. it just makes more sense for a lot of people to just buy one really good pc than a console and a work computer as well
Is it easier to buy the disc/whole game than having a subscription? Would you rather have the physical copy of a movie or have the whole catalog at your disposal?
I'd rather have the physical copies of the entire catalogue...
I had game pass for a long time, but I finally canceled it about a year ago. I was tired of paying for games that I had no control in selecting.
Or buying DLC for a game that would disappear from your collection because Game pass games don't come with DLC.
Well, you're expected to buy the game you liked playing, same goes for dlc, you wouldn't buy dlc for a game you don't like and don't own.
@@thesun9210 If i was going to buy a game it should as hell wouldn't be on the xbox store, it would be on steam.
Not sure of what games you have played where they had left game pass. I noticed it is games that had fallen off. For the most part if I liked them, I bought them. There is a slight discount. I mostly use it for first party games or games. Most third party games leave if they flop. I think game pass is a deal since games are so damn expensive and for the price of just under three games a year for the game library and a gold subscription isn’t that bad of a deal.
@@Globodyne DLC for games is the main issue game pass is bad. They need to add in another tier or do something so you get all DLC with the game, I'm not ever going to buy DLC for a game I'm renting.
Tech companies, especially gaming, need to realize line cannot always go up, and the harder you try and make it go up the harder it's going to drop when it breaks
in optimization theory they teach steepest descend method first and the guys with degrees in economics and management, future suits basically, are too dumb to understand it's often suboptimal and gives bad results long term and to remember more complex and applicable methods later in their life working in corpo. so at the end of the day they always overvalue ultra short term profits (or cutting losses by killing good studios) against long term sustainability and cumulative profits.
We need another gaming crash like what happened in the 80s where nintendo single handedly propped up the entire industry because they were the least shitty and most consumer friendly of the bunch. I'd rather it be valve while gabben still draws breathe, imagine the biggest player in the pc games market gets law makers to stop the rug pull and cash grabbing shate. I can dream
You're crazy if you think it's just tech and game companies, every company thinks they can just go up forever. That's the foundation of the stock market.
Companies have a legally binding fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders to try to make a profit. "Line go up" is a function of fiscal law, not just unfettered capitalism.
All lines can keep going up as long as the global population keeps going up. That's how the economy works.
There currently isn't a great value proposition for Game Pass. Imagine if every "hot game" on twitch/youtube was available on a service (like all these smaller or indie games), and basically free to try, it'd be great. I just don't see what I'm getting (like Netflix has exclusives whereas i can just buy games on sale if i want to).
The reason why consoles did so well in past was due to it's price as well including things like a DVD player or BluRay player within the price. So you would be getting a hell of a deal when to get that on computer would cost way more at the time or even buying standard player.
The sad fact consoles now are just computers with custom os. The problem with that is a computer can do everything a console can do for maybe alittle extra or double the price and currently be way better graphic wise.
Sure a console has apps to be able to more do what you could on computer aka voice, watch videos, etc.. but you are still limited where on a computer there is no limit.
I fail to find the value in Gamepass when Im unable to clear my Steam backlog of games as-is.
I'm the exact person gamepass streaming was made for. I don't own an Xbox or pc but I do have a newer Samsung TV that has gamepass streaming built in. I will never have a reason to buy an Xbox because of it
Enjoy that input and connection delay.
@@RBFR01 ive been using it for a year without issue?
Your coping for no reason. Are you 16? Let the man enjoy his streaming service. @@RBFR01
@@Itzaraya1 That's because you have nothing to compare it to. I'm sure if you bought the actual console you would see a much clearer picture and less input lag.
@@doctorsilva1345 i didn't day I don't own a console. I don't own an Xbox or pc but I have a PS5. The lengths people go to just to say they have bad internet is wild.
People don't get that MS goes the Disney way of buying IP to sell Merchandise, Movies, Shows and what not. Fallout and Halo are a great example for that. They want that sweet Star Wars money, not that poor gamer money.
15:06 I just read a couple of weeks ago that Sony with the PS5 Slim is finally not losing money on the hardware. On the same article it says that MS is losing 200 dollars on every Series X sold. Not only that, back when the court leaked the MS emails that Phil Spencer made he talks about MS spending 1 billion dollars for the year the email was written, on paying for the losses in the hardware sector. Crazy
I don’t understand why companies think a service subscription will keep growing. If everyone has it, there is very limit new customers. Plus call of duty makes most of their revenue from micro transactions
Because they have the best one and the highest subscriber base. But when they want the whole business to be based off of it yeah, not enough lol
Shoutout to Parsec. My brother is good with computers, but lives in another state from me and I had issues with my computer at home. Instead of explaining all the troubleshooting stuff he just aaked me to download it and was able to operate my computer from his and fixed my issues. Super dope
How? What issue did you have?
I've tried it, as an alternative to steam remote play it felt a bit fiddly to have to control my pc on my tablet.
The other night while working, I had some downtime so I decided to actually tried playing my xbox through my phone. I actually couldn't believe how good it was - I was playing d4 on it and outside of the small screen it played just like I was playing it on my console. Needless to say, if they are able to keep improving it (haven't tried cloud gaming by just playing a game without downloading it first) and have the cloud gaming play like this, I honestly think this will be the future of gaming being able to play these games without an exclusive console or gaming pc. Like if they can link it up to just a smart tv and with a big tv not having any degrade in quality in picture or anything, I think it'll be game over.
1:55 the dog casually looking at the camera
If they keep messing up the game versions like they do on so many games on gamepass its really not going to improve at all. So many games get updates later than other platforms. Modding is so much more difficult compared to Steam. And the worst problem is that if you play certain games on Gamepass you have to link your account to another launcher like battlenet and that causes so many errors sometimes like battlenet not recognizing that you actually own the game through game pass temporarily which made playing D4 impossible for some friends of mine even though they payed for game pass.
*paid
Bloodborne is probably the single reason I'm barely holding out for Sony to pull their heads from their over-growing rectums. Microsoft has nothing compared to that single title. It's unfortunate the executives of both companies are thirsty for that stockholder juice.
The stock holders control the companies decisions.
Bro there is god of war last of us control
i was pretty bad with money management. untill i started saving in silver. the effort it takes to turn it into cash and the amount I would loose when buying it back... really makes it easy to say 'im not spending good money on that'
and something about holding it in yoru hand does something to you. and it feels more valuable than the cash I would get for it.
just some thoughts
To be honest as a Xbox user, they should have just kept gamepass a indie only thing, and just gave money to indie developers rather than buying up all these studios. You build up a good relationship with these developers, while also making yourself look good
so essentially just a subscription-based version of Xbox Live Arcade from the 360 days. I could get behind that
Their solution is going multiplatform introducing a new xbox that is also a pc that is steam friendly close more small studios and pressure their big studios to make big blockbuster games like 343 with Halo and Bethesda with Fallout and Starfield. I expect for example they will give Todd Howard more money and more studios to get ES6 and Fallout 5 out the door a lot faster than he had intended to.
Starfield made me cancel GamePass...I would have gone out and bought a copy even with gamepass to support something good...I've bought like 10 copies of TW3 and maybe 5 or 6 copies of Elden Ring for friends, family and employees who I thought would appreciate them, bc I want to get more of the same in the future. I think CDPR is gonna really let me down with their 'modern audience' forecast for the future games, but I have lots of confidence in FromSoftware...
Going all in on big studios is not as smart as you think it is, big studio does not equal good game. Just look at Diablo 4, Overwatch 2, Starfield, Fallout 76, CoD MW2 or halo infinite. All made by big studios, and all failed compared to previous titles.
@@TheSwedishTomato Yup. Big studio = more suits sucking money dry = less money for actual development and pay raises for developers. I could understand if big studio meant ratio of around 95% developers (programmers, artists, writers, composers etc) and 5% suits, which might be actually possible with microsofts oversight, but will they execute it like that? I have my doubts..
I used to work for a local gas station company, but I worked in their casino branch. All their gas stations throughout the entire state made basically zero profit, but the casinos made a ton. However, they would never close the gas stations because those funnel people into the casinos. I believe this is a similar situation to the Game Pass/Windows situation.
The problem I have with gamepass is that when you first sign up it's incredible value, but the moment you hit the bottom of that list and there's no new games to play and you're sat waiting for new releases you start counting your $$$ leaving your pocket, and then when you pull the trigger and decide to leave gamepass,losing access to all those games you played feels so bad and the discount they offer if you want to purchase the individual games just don't make sense.
Game ownership on steam feels so much better and less stressful and I feel much better about gaming now that I don't feel forced to look for something to play on gamepass because i need to make the most of my subscription fee.
With the Microsoft situation going on right now, I wanna say for GamePass and game preservation/supporting game developers from my perspective is that it’s a mixed bag. Like don’t get me wrong, I love GamePass. I like the notion that it’s like Blockbuster (man I’m old) and that I can rent a game, play it, if I like it I could buy the actual game or something for if I don’t like it, I can simply uninstall it without buyer’s remorse.
There are so many good games that I’ve played like Double Fine products (Grim Fandango, Psychonauts), Vampire Survivors, Age of Empires, etc. But when it comes to games that I want to preserve physically or want to keep, I’ll buy it physical like Jedi Survivor, Resident Evil 4 Remake, Armored Core VI. I think it’s a good idea that these huge games should not come to GamePass because it actually supports the developers. Also yes I may own a few digital games online with Elden Ring and all but that’s because I’m lazy lol.
I'd say the opposite just because those huge games are usually devolved by big companies with plenty of money while the indie developers seem to get screwed especially with how short a lot of indie developer games are. Honestly probably hurts both of them if the game flops but at least a company like Square Enix can bounce back
If Microsoft combines the wow subscription with Gamepass, im not sure any other game service will be able to get close to their numbers
but what would that archieve? They're already have the money of wow subscribers. Including the wow sub into game pass would requiere to either giving up on the money that wow already brings or the money that they get from wow players that also have game pass.
Doesnt matter if they have more game pass subcriptions by including wow if that doesnt translate to an increase on profit.
I've been trying persona 3 reload on my phone w/ the PC game pass cloud and it plays better than my old xbox
Cloud will happen I currently do trading thru a VPS now adding a GPU to it and increasing the storage capacity once prices come down for it I could totally see it as viable.
Mircosoft game pass will save the Mircosoft console? So they brought all those studios shut down the best ones. So what's left is call of duty.
Nevermind the next cod already floped be being announced
And Halo ES and Fallout
Save console? Xbox consoles sales never sold well, it never was a priority. They always aimed to go full digital with game pass in many platforms as possible and now they are doing that.
The game pass is their holy grail, their main focus, consoles sales are secondary because, well, Microsoft as a trillion dollar company can afford to do that.
It always have been like that in the last years, they were preparing for going full digital and multiplatform and they are finally doing it.
Sony is also following the same path with their exclusives releasing on PC digitally.
I can't understand how game devs make reasonable amount money being on game pass
Same, even if lets say microsofts cut was 2bucks, rest goes split between developers of games played by the user based on playtime, for ease lets count sub cost at 20usd, -2bucks for microsoft, so 18usd left for devs. Lets say You release a big title, 70usd on steam. User would have to exclusively play one game for over 3months to come near the store-cost, and its also split into 3 separate monthly payments with no interest. And a quarter of a year is hella long time, even for casual gamers who play like 5hours per week. And if the game is actually great, and that same casual gamer stretches his weekly play time to 10hours, its only worse for you, because you potentially loose that 3rd payment. Only way for them to make any profit is gamepass-subsidized studios in-house focusing on games just for that, since their costs are calculated into overall revenue. Only viable thing I'd see would be adding it to gamepass after at least 6months of the game being out to supplement revenue while working on expansion/dlc or a new game..
They don't. Exactly why HiFi Rush didn't sell enough and the studio was shut down. Even if it was good.
No one can
Asmon thinking cloud gaming "will get better" and remove latency shows he knows absolutely nothing about network infrastructure. Unless you uproot absolutely everything and replace everything, you cannot cloud game a mouse and keyboard game that requires any reflexes. It is a physical impossibility. Your server has to be in the same building basically
Assuming latency will never get better is stupid, but not more than assuming it definitely will. Technologies can reach a point of diminishing returns. Computers, and electronics in general are new technologies, so for now, whenever we reached the full capabilities of a technology like vacuum tubs, magnetic tapes, CRTs, perforated cards etc. we were able to come up with newer technologies that can surpass them, but that doesn't mean the potential is infinite.
The thing that's holding back the growth of game pass is it's marketing. Whenever you see an ad for game pass they only show their exclusive line up, which are games most people don't care about. If they displayed their big third party titles in their marketing, I believe a lot more people would consider the service. There are so many AAA and indie games that come out day one of the service that people are unaware of.
Exactly. I've never engaged with game pass or XBox in general but from an outside perspective I totally agree with you.
They are so obessed by their need to show their exclusivity that they lose sight of the picture itself or the future they could achieve.
Though the major 3rd party titles if they end up on GamePass after a year or so, the same game likely ends up on PS Plus around the same time. Microsoft can market them, but likely PlayStation will counter the same.
Marketing isn’t the issue. The problem with GP is that the majority of people who play games only have time for 3-5 a year. People are also tired of subscriptions and don’t want to add another one to their wallet where they’ll maybe play a handful of games. Video games are not as easily consumed as movies or shows; it’s not a viable option at all.
@@sjneowI mean they do - just not on XCloud.
@@sjneow They have a lot more games day one than PS+ and cover a wider variety of genres. Some examples I can think of off the top of my head are remnant 2, lies of p, plague tale, that new star wars game, signalis, sea of stars, the entire Yakuza/like a dragon catalogue and the persona remasters. Plus a bunch of sim/strat nerdy dad games.
17:10 data proves Asmon is wrong
"Guys I don't want to talk about this anymore this is stupid guys"
What single playergames need is what racing games have done, they need a ranked solo experience that can be managed or balanced out. Leaderboards basically but they track something else.
in FPS you will always have the latency issue. it is not important either if the latency is lower than the human reaction time. assume 2 players have 180ms reaction time, they click at the same time, but one of them has 10ms higher latency. that means the player with the lower latency will land his shot first.
even with very low latency of 10ms you still can see the phenomenon called "peeker's advantage", so basically you can never truly achieve real-time, but it is still important in FPS games to get it as low as possible because otherwise the peeker's advantage will become too much of a disturbing factor.
Shameless console hater Asmongold thumbs up anti-game ownership GamePass and predicts the death of consoles. Valve's failed venture with Steam Machines didn't destroy PC gaming, Xbox leaving game consoles is not going to destroy console gaming either. Weirdo vendetta you got, like console owner stole your lunch money 20 years ago and Asmongold is a full time PC warrior adult.
>still no reason to own xbox past 360
>still no reason to own ps5
I hate modern gaming like you wouldn't believe. Even Nintendo hasn't released anything that interests me since like 2020.
Also, I think the only thing holding back cloud gaming are the dogshit mono/duopoly ISP markets.
*modern CONSOLE gaming, I should clarify.
I'd say ps4 was just as bad
Skipped everything past 360/ps3 gen and missed barely anything
The real problems with cloud gaming are the bs data limits with many ISP's and the bandwidth, because it uses way more data to stream than running the game locally, and anyone trying to watch anything on netflix or w/e while you're streaming a game....
how good was the halo 5 multiplayer forge (rounds against aliens) and in the last one they didn't put it in.
Game pass sucks. Everyone is tired of subscriptions.
Same here bro
Not me. I love it. But I think they could add some more quality games.
@@mattias990you got use to welfare lil bro, not good
@@mattias990 you will own nothing and you will be happy
Streaming services
Cloud apps
Game subs
Phone subs
Too many subs. Time to ditch the excess!
Gamepass is a ridiculously good value right now. It's like the early days of Netflix before all the publishers pulled their content for their own subscription. Get in while the getting's good, and cancel once Xbox fuxks it up.
How is hifi rush supposed to make more money and not get their studio canceled when the game is free to play on gamepass? Do they determine money made by hours you played?
It's crazy how many business business business people don't seem to understand concepts like "regression to mean."
Game Pass is bad for the industry and bad for the customer in the long run. It's the horrible idea of a company that has too much money.
How is paying the price of 2 AAA games a year for over 100 games bad for the customer?
You can play all the new ea games. Madden, fifa, NBA 2k, ncaa football, forza, all Bethesda games all for 120 a year and access to thousands of other titles. Some come and go but they let you know way ahead of time so just play it before it's replaced.
@@juanrolandodelarosa1550 because it's an economically unsustainable business model by a wealthy company designed to kill competition. It's like selling a loaf of bread for $1 in order to destroy all bakeries in the area.
@@juanrolandodelarosa1550 wealthy company destroys competition by subsidizing an unsustainable business model.
@@juanrolandodelarosa1550 Stagnation, that's why.
If they added console Rust to game pass it would help alot but they wont do it even after 3 years
I don’t think a few hundred people are gonna move that needle bud
Whats a community of 50 gonna change?
I dont really Think Rust is that game, let alone other survival games like Ark can move the Gamepass Subs Needle
So many of the game pass games come to PlayStation essential tier as well which remain in your library as long as you’re subscribed. I stick to essential as I think it’s worth it for me. The other tiers not so much
I started rebuying my 360 games on eBay now before the Xbox 360 store closes and people flock to eBay for physical copies. The prices now are pretty good. I expect prices to get much higher in August.
Call of duty is $70. I don’t buy the skins because they’re also pricey. On top of the expensive game. But if they put the game on game pass I’d probably be more likely to buy a season pass or skin. And that’s what I think is part of their frame of reference.
Bingo 👍