"Why Do We Play Games We Hate?"
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Hey man!
Great video. Thanks to this Asmon's find of you iam going to easily follow you. Thank you for great essey and content.
Hi
There is a lot of discussion around reaction videos. Just asking how do you think this has affected you?
Good/bad?
@@xKapnKrunch well is certainly hasn’t hurt haha, nice to have the extra eyes, flattered to be featured here. I get the controversy, but this video is plenty transformative.
Funny how every Concord is an expensive product that gets shut down early. 💀
Was about to write the same thing, lol! Takeaway: Do not invest in Concorde 😂
Yeah lol, was about to comment this. Funny how history repeats itself again 50 years later, in a way atleast
The bit about metas is 100% the most important thing. Nothing worse than falling in love with a game and then hitting a point where progression is impossible without drastically shifting your playstyle into an unfun meta
Warframe's meta made it go from borderline my favorite game of all time with 1000+hrs of gameplay to something I look back on with a bit of disdain and now judge people negatively if they're still playing. I have to assume they're doing the "Turbospeed optimal high DPS builds" and all that, when I liked a game where I got to try a bunch of extremely varied and different weapons with a badass space ninja or knight...
I despise the entire concept of speedrunning, so it pretty jarring and sad to find it pop up semi-organically (due to the circumstances and choices devs made) in a game I was previously liking once I started getting higher level. And over time, it became more and more required, and that social requirement migrated down the chain so that even lower level, non high-end endgame content has the expectation that you're 'practising' for your speedy runs at high level. It took about 10 verbal beratements from teammates waiting at the exit for me to understand that even the ones that were quiet were almost certainly annoyed at me for committing the highest sin of... watching my actual WF powers unfold, aiming, and going slightly out of my way to explore for loot. AKA what the game is 'pitched' as being it's main loop, not psychotically paced dash-jump-spin-flip exercises for your pinky and thumb.
(At least defense missions became popular to combat this, but I still haven't completed the solar map b/c the 'death tunnel' runs are so nervewracking and oftentimes I don't "Keep up" so I may bring down the entire run by being 'out of position'. Which, ofc, are all a matter of opinion not fact, but the meta players see themselves as doing the correct thing anyway b/c of the community echochamber on forums, etc and the video content being focused almost purely on efficacy and nothing else.)
And there's only so far you can go playing solo. It's clear the meta players have set the tone of what's being 'demanded' from the playerbase and people like me and many of the commenters in the video asmon is reacting to are the cost of the devs prioritizing those players loud demands. Might make biz sense so at the end of the day, as long as the profit motive and not the experience of their players sets the tone, this is what games will be. Us grognards talk about the old days, but it's just so hard to see a way of life that served you so well go away and slowly become purely impossible to partake in, just like the cranky old conservatives are always bitching about.
league of legends is the spitting image of that kind of disappointment.
You mean 99% of mmos with a meta?
@@angel_of_rust so then just dont play during that meta. league is great because the meta constantly shifts and when your interests align or you find out that maybe this new meta you never tried before is actually fun, then you enjoy playing it. I'm an adc main who didn't like mage meta at first but then I started playing swain/ziggs adc and I liked it more than normal adc. Its on you to understand that the metas in certain games will be way more prolific than in others, and that you should restructure yourself to embrace those changes if you want to keep playing the games.
@@everythingponyI mean yes but also no, the thing that sucks about mmo metas is that there’s multiple classes so generally your class has a designated playstyle for each type of playstyle but also what kind of sucks too is if you love like a pvp playstyle/solo playstyle it could be complete garbage in pve at the same time which limits the content you can play comfortably. Which is kind of like a double edged sword 😔
Concord was a super sonic passenger jet. People in the surrounding areas hated the loud sonic booms they would hear if they were near and like he said, they were blackholes for money.
Indeed , and it was awful as a passenger as well
When I was a kid I travelled a few times in it , and it was just too loud, uncomfortable (not enough space for legs) and thé windows were so little and thick that we couldnt sée anything outside.
Plus thé fact that 3h for a paris New York meant that your day was a 27 hours one, not good for thé soul.
But it was an important thing for thé SoftPower of France during thé cold war, regarding eastern Germany , etc
Mostly political sh!t
also that whole thing with the tires shredding and getting launched into the engines probably didn't help
@@khelom travel is exhausting no matter what but you actually think that it was too short therefore timezones fucked with your head? very fascinating take i'll give you that
@@juiceboxh3ro Could have happened to any plane though, it was the old aircraft who took off in front that lost a piece of metal
@@snuffeldjuret sorry, english is not my native language,
I meant Concorde was important for SoftPower.
And thé longer days were a good thing for businessmen
In thé 80s 90s , no internet, you could quit Paris at 1pm and arrive in NY sooner , around 11am .
For example , in finance field that was a huge advantage as cotations were closed in Europe and still running in Usa until 1pm local time.
An older friend of mine explained me this
Hé made huge money liké this , but told me this was very very tiresome as thé flight was not enjoyable (very noisy inside , no space for your legs , you couldnt sée anything because thé windows were tiny and thick just like in a NASA ship, etc)
And this was very expensive as well
I don't play games I hate. If I don't like them I find something else to play. I have deleted plenty of games after an hour and refunded them
Same here, if i don't like a game i can drop it in an instant. My time is too prescious to waste on something i don't like.
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I came for a video about being obsessed with games and bad habits. What I got was called out on my actual behavior toward people. The type of people Asmon is talking about toward the end IS me. And it's crazy that a smack in the face like that has genuinely made me try and rethink my perspective. I needed this more than you could know my friend. Thanks a ton.
This seems like an ephemeral thing, like "it's just games" but I personally want to highlight and commend you for ACTUALLY taking on feedback. It's harder to do than it seems like it should be, regardless of the medium it takes. And practicing in relatively 'flippant' places like games is how people like you grow as individuals across an entire life.
Good job, man, legit.
How you doing bud, you make a change?
Do you mean the part where he was talking about people that see others as beneath or above themselves, or like always glass half empty
It’s a balancing act for sure. You don’t want to be someone who purely sees the good because then bad actors continually erode society. But you also cant get hung up on stuff that’s simply out of your control no matter how hard you try etc.
You definitely need to watch more Daryl Talks Games. He’s incredibly at smacking you in the face with reality in an empathetic but honest way
Sekiro experience be like:
-> Try it
-> Die in most pathetic ways
-> Blame game mechanics
-> Hate it and drop it
-> Play it again
-> Master Mikiri counter
-> Become skilled enough to obliterate Genichiro with no hits
-> Pass final skill test (Isshin)
-> Fav game
That's pretty fokkin accurate.
Posted like a 4chan user. Noice
I feel like a better gamer after Sekiro
maybe I'm not, but damn if I feel like it
Then play Isshin on x2 speed and get more dopamine
@@Glane6339 it’s supposed to be hard. I believe in you tho
I remember sometime during cataclysm I realized I was only enjoying myself about 5 percent of the time the other 95 I felt anxious and frustrated. Became like any other unhealthy addiction after the end of the honeymoon period
and yet you keep playing lol...Me with Korean Grindfest MMO in nutshell.
Anxious from a game lolol
@@Mike-om4tvGames illicit emotions by virtue of their design.
Anxiety is an emotion.
Do you have an issue with people having happy emotions from games too?
@Mike-om4tv I used to play an MMO where we would speed run the final boss . Trust me it's pretty nerve wracking if you screw up and every top player in the game thinks your an idiot.
I guess the fact that I had access to SO many games helped, but I invited my buddy over saying 'lets get back into WoW, dude'. He brought his PC and everything.
25 mins into playing a new blood elf in Burning Crusade, I was thinking about how raiding in the end game just seemed so toxic, so annoying to have to show up at certain times, didn't really lead to anything but just more of the same... and went "Bro fuck this!" and alt+F4'd, unsubbed, uninstalled. I've never gone back.
My poor buddy on the other hand played by himself all weekend when we weren't playing MP PS3 games and has been on and off the WoW train, seemingly kinda hating it, for his whole life. I really feel like 18yr old me made SUCH a good decision back then lol.
I'll never forget that first Dwarf Gun-ranger character I made back in vanilla though. That was good times. The rest of WoW.... less so.
I think overall, it's about being ok with forgetting about a game and moving on to others. Years pass, we grow, we learn, we experience new games with new ideas and concepts. And many years later, we go back to a game we love. (For me Fable 2) and we remember all the great times and set out to make a new experience for our said game. Whether it's playing differently or just mix things up. Games are fun, our inner child never dies, not if we don't let it. Games are made for entertainment and fun, have fun.
I have the opposite problem. I quit games I like because I didn't play for a couple days and it seems like a whole thing to get back into it. 😅
Me too. I'll be really hype and motivated to play a game all the way home... up until it's time to actually play then suddenly it feels like work and I'd rather just watch a video or something. I know what the issue is, but it's a bitch to actually do anything about
I tend to get distracted after a while. At some point I will start looking for a change of pace or a palette cleanser and a week later will remember I was playing something and I should probably finish it - but I'm currently in the process of playing this other game so...
It's one of the reasons why I rarely actually finish games lol.
When you pay for something esp with the price of games these days I feel like we try to salvage anything we can from it. That and the nostalgia also droop snoot 😂
@@PatchesFlannigan I don’t play anymore so you can direct that elsewhere, I don’t need the speech but now it’s here for any that do.
The snoot would droop 😄
I just learnt to wait a couple weeks and see if it is any good according to the streamers i like to watch. If the streamers won't play the game, then i just sing a shanty and check for myself, then i just get the game if i like it or i skip it.
It must be in steam tho, because i want those achievements and i want the regional pricing tho.
the man confuses frustration with hatred, they are not the same thing. everyone gets frustrated at game mechanics, unfortunate failures, developer faux pa's and all that but frustration or criticism doesnt equal to hatred.
I used to do that, for me it stopped when I started to treat my adhd. Before I was playing lost ark and had such a disdain for the game that when I had to focus more on my career and got that "excuse to stop playing" was a relieve for me plus seeking out adhd treatment. Now I got diablo 4, started playing and when I felt bored with the game, I just stopped. I just don't feel that attachment to any game anymore.
same, and by treating your adhd, you also starting to improve your ''life''... now you find more pleasure in discovering the ''outside aka real'' world. My motivation brain trick is ''how good do i feel after doing it''... Morning gym is easy now
I miss the satisfaction of games "ending". I remember being a kid and beating Space Quest for the first time. It was the first game I ever "beat". I was so happy. Granted by today's standards it's an incredibly short game, but back then it felt like I had climbed mount everest. It actually took us a year or so to beat, and when i say "us" I mean my family as we all worked together to solve the puzzles in that game. We didn't have the internet, didn't use a hint book and my parents blocked 900 numbers so we couldn't use the sierra hint line. We just all put all our heads together and eventually finished the game using our own brain power. It felt so good. I also had that feeling several more times with other games as a kid: Zelda A Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time, Final Fantasy IV, VI and VII, Super Metroid and Super Mario World to name a few. It was never as satisfying as that first time beating Space Quest, but it was still very satisfying.
I miss that feeling nowadays because it feels like games are not designed to be "beaten". That was one of the reasons I quit WoW, it just was a never ending treadmill with no resolution. But it's even leaked into single player games. The new Zelda game, for instance, has an ending to the main story, but that's just a small part of the game. Most of the game is a never ending easter egg hunt of of side-quests, finding shrines, finding wells, bubbol gems, outfit upgrades and of course, the 1,000 korok seeds you will need to find in order to feel like you've fully completed the game. And guess what, your reward for finding all the seeds is a lump of shit, no joke, Hestu gives you a big piece of his own shit for finding all 1000 korok seeds, and it's implied that all the korok seeds are actually korok feces because in the description it says they "smell funny". It's like the developers are are actively making fun of you for spending all your time searching their virtual world for virtual shit.
So with newer games I have two choices, I can spend all of the limited time I have left on this planet grinding it all out for hundreds of hours to hopefully get that sense of satisfaction I have fully completed the game. Or just stop playing when I get to the point where it feels like I'm wasting my life. Either way, I never leave the game with a good feeling like I did when I beat those classic games from the 80s and 90s. That feeling of satisfaction is just replaced with the empty feeling that I'm getting old and wasting my life on dumb shit. That's why I enjoy Indie games more. They tend to be shorter, don't have as much side-quest bullshit, and I can feel like I finished a game to my satisfaction when I'm done.
maybe you just got old???
@@carterpollock3885 haha, yes I did. But I felt this 15 years ago too when I was still playing WoW. I was still in my 20s then. It's one of the oldest sayings in entertainment: "leave the audience wanting more" but I feel like most of the triple A games have abandoned this. It's all about keeping players as long as possible until they hate the game.
In Ocarina of Time the final reward for finding and killing the gold skulltullas was unlimited money. By the time you get that, there is nothing left to buy in the game.
I learned that lesson. Ocarina really is thee coming of age story.
@@user-yv4mm6bx3c That's true, but finding all the gold skulltullas doesn't take nearly as long as finding all the korok seeds. I wonder if the devs were trying to teach us a lesson about "greed is bad" with that. Same with the lump of shit reward for koroks seeds, they're trying to tell us not to be so obsessive and try to do everything. Or they're just playing a cruel joke on us. I think it's the latter.
@@DrakusRecords Definitely. As a kid though, those skulltullas were quite an undertaking.
To put it simply... because we're good at it. We dont know when to quit and feel like its a waste of time and investment to not display it or exercise it.
I hate irl game And here i am!
Sunk cost fallacy. Gaming companies love players who try to compete in their games, they are the easiest targets.
I liked it ... I was good at it, ... and I was ... I was alive
I don't know man. I know a lot of addicted League players stuck in Bronze and Silver 😂
And after a while, you just feel like you've spent too much time to quit. That all that time must eventually be justified by something.
It is indeed a personal thing. When after many many years I tried again the vanilla wow classic servers (private) I felt all the feelings and memories of the time flowing back. I could literally smell again the room I was in as a kid when doing MC for the first time. And you know what? I was glad I had this flashback, and I was very happy to realise that I was lucky enough to experience such an adventure (even if it was on a virtual world) with my friends at such a young age, despite the fact that it is now over. It was a great adventure. I am now looking forward to trying new things, whether this is gaming, social, or career, and I am able to drop anything I do not like without having any regrets about the time spent, because it is the time that I chose how to spent, and it is part of my adventure.
Because it's hard to quit when you're emotionally invested
True mate.
And financially invested.
Sunk cost fallacy was the whole reason I even played mist of pandaria and warlords of draenor.
It was because I was so invested, and naively hoped the game would get better.
Yep and then when people are mad about their investments be that time or money will try make other feel the same way for validation (d4)
I for example love apex and its gameplay. Server and monetization vize its shit all over. But i still hope it gets better , because there really isnt other games like it
@@erxan4163 isnt that the game that ppl play who are just to bad for cs:go. anyway, as an player from back in the day (vanilla 2005+cs 1.6 for example) i couldnt care less about game being fun anymore. all are just copycat shit games nowadays, i still play cs:go sometime but honestly games in the era 2006-2010? SHIT WAS DIFF.
this is me with genshin impact. Ive played genshin since day 2. and ive played the game EVERY SINGLE TIME. thats right, every day, whether im sick or busy, ill make sure to play at least 30 mins or whenever i can finish dailies.
everything became a chore but in first 2 years it was still fun as i have friends who i can do stuff with and explore with but i noticed at some point they start to quit left and right until i only have 1 person to play with.
it struck to me how much tedious this game makes me feel and how much time it consumed from my life and how HARD it is for me to just drop it and walk away, it was really impossible as ive sank hundreds of hours into it and spent plenty,
patch 3.0 came, and for some reason i didnt have the motivation to explore it.
I still go online to do dailies but i never actually even visited the whole new area even after a month past.
I noticed people are having fun with it and how much new mechanics have been introduced to the game but somehow, i felt left out.
But instead of feeling sad or jealous, I felt relieved.
For the first time of me playing this game, i felt like i never have to be part of it anymore. I dont have to be updated, and be the first to try out things like i used to.
I HAD perfect attendance on this game, but this time not anymore,
I stopped playing for a day, til it becomes 3, til a week, anda month.
Then the next patch came in, i never felt the urge to update my launcher anymore. finally i found a reason to physically not be able to even start the game.
and then i felt true freedom.
I didnt want to keep playing the game til i end up absolutely hating the game, so i managed to let it go.
this was very hard, but i finally did it.
turns out, playing a game you love can cause a burnout when played for too much, that's something i never thought would happen to me.
If i don't like a game, i don't play the game... The fuck are y'all doing?!
Daryl has many good videos, the psychology of gaming, how to deal with backlog etc. Its very scientific and thought out. Good content! You should watch more
We all said that about Division 2 “We hope it gets better” 2 games later and still the same broken piece of crap” but I'm still playing it 😭
It's being able to see them for what they are appreciate them and have them be part of your life without them being your life. - Asmongold
You would think diablo IS his life though. He plays it more than anything. He used to start streams with reacts but now its Diablo lmao
Dude just heard of the 1st ever supersonic passenger plane, super elite status symbol of the 90s
I always love when people find out about the Concorde. It's crazy to see one in person, and I was lucky enough to when it was at the Air Force Museum at Wright-Patterson AFB in Ohio.
My Uncle helped build the thing, would tell me stories about it years later when I was a wee lad. He had all these cool models of it hanging around his house.
I have stopped playing a game to avoid the sadness that comes with finishing it many times with elden ring or dragon age inquisition or even Final Fantasy X. I also only re-watch fellowship for the same reason! I love your takes. You should watch another video from Daryl talks games entitled "psychology of souls" I think it would be good conversation.
My man, FFX is tge BEST and you could spend 10 years in the calmlands
Wow someone that likes DAI? There are dozens of us. Dozens.
@@mramisuzuki6962Hello, shield brother! 😁
It's called the droop snoot, and it's because of the angle of attack required during take off and landing, it allows the pilots to still have decent visibility.
The Concorde, one of only two supersonic commercial jets in service to date, was retired in late 2003 - after flying for 27 years. Following a farewell tour around North America and the United Kingdom, British Airways and Air France retired all 20 Concordes that were built, of which 16 flew.
You're welcome!
You can time travel with then planes lol
@@Nardage I remember that at the time, people where celebrating the new year in Paris, before taking the plane and celebrating it in New York
I weirdly enough don't get that feeling of sadness that something's ending, I get happy I experienced it to begin with and I'm excited to see the conclusion, so I can just restart the game or look forward to rewatching it at some other time.
When I first beat the Mass Effect trilogy I was definitely like, sad about it. Shepard was me, my crew were my friends, to leave them behind was just hard
And gothic 1 and 2.@@FullMetalXV
I think that's why every major release needs to have an free 1-2hr demo. We can't test games anymore and once we actually buy it we're too lazy to refund. It's better to test before the purchase.
totally agree on time wasted vs enjoyment. I loved the D4 story, except there was no Diablo in the game. But once you hit the point where story is gone and the rest is build farming you lose that arm wrestling match and it's no longer "Fun"
That's awesome. Thinking about a game all day is something I've always talked about. If I go to work and I'm telling people who know nothing about gaming about a game im playing because I just can't get enough of it, it's probably a game I love.
I had to also laugh at the “30 hours in”part😂 if I walked away from a game after only 30 hours I probably didn’t find it interesting enough to continue
We don't play the games we hate. We hate the games we also love. Because both feelings are strongly connected to each other. At least those games can cause some emotions in us, so it can be strongly positive or negative, but at least we care.
18:45 the dark souls backjumping he brings up reminds me of OOT Sidehop spam
48:07 As an achievement hunter, I tend to play games pretty thoroughly and after I've reached that 100% I'm usually done with the game and have no motivation to play it any longer. There are exceptions of course but I don't have that problem of draining the fun out of any given game to the point where it actually changes how I feel about it. I don't find it difficult to play something as much as I want to and just go on with my life as soon as I've had my fill.
Because we paid for them
I think it's a good thing for most games to be accessible to a wider audience, but I also think it's cool that you have some esports with insanely high skill ceilings like starcraft and melee. I don't think that makes those games bad at all, I think it's what makes them great actually. Not every game has to be super accessible like LoL or fortnight
Huh you could play me in Starcraft, i promise you would find the game super accessible
No shot you just called LoL accessible, and this is coming from someone who doesn't actually hate the game lmao
@@JustAKonchu I'm pretty sure the developers explicitly stated that their goal was to make a more accessible version of DotA. Plus everyone and their mom plays LoL. They were successful in making it accessible, that's why it's the most played MOBA, and one of the most popular games in general.
@@prestonbeaulieu4379 I've introduced people to league before and in my experience more drop it early than they stick with it. Accessible relative to another game isn't necessarily accessible.
It's not that esports games are innately inaccessible, it's how competitive and tryhard you are about them. Just because because people make millions playing football, basketball or whatever sport on international level doesn't mean you can't shoot some hoops with your mates on a weekend.
A weird premise, since I do not play games that I hate.
we don't. the people with working brain stems find games they enjoy.
Factual
It's worth noting, an F-22 raptor can cruise at Mach 1.6, almost as fast as the Concord, without afterburners, keeping it in stealth parameters.
It was not just one thing with Concorde. It would also make a supersonic bang when it took off that would break the windows of the residence that lived near the airport. It was made for prestige and unlike the first moon landing it did not have to worry about the Van Allen radiation belt, So at least we do know that the Concorde did actually happen.
What I find interesting is the line between 1. Really enjoyable game design to induce player engagement and retention, and 2. Transparently lazy, bordering on malicious design to exploit the tendency to play a crap game that everyone wishes was great. At first glace option 1 seems like it would be a better way to keep players, but it seems in reality that both are pretty effective. At least in the beginning.
People need to realise that a game that they wanted to love but end up hating doesn't owe them anything. You're better off quitting that game and finding something you do like, because if you keep on playing a game you dislike, hoping it will change to fit your specific taste, you might be putting yourself through torture for a long time.
I started playing WoW for the first time 4-5 months ago and enjoyed it for the first 4 months until I arrived at the realisation that it was actually a pretty bad game. I still kept playing though for a little while until it hit me; that this game that I no longer enjoyed wasn't going to get any better by forcing myself to play it, so I cancelled my sub and didn't look back. One thing I never thought was that this game needs to change because I don't like it, because a lot of people clearly do still enjoy it, and anyone who feels the same way as me that continues to play it is just silly, the game owes you nothing but you also owe the developers nothing too.
Just play other games guys.
I can't tell you how many games i quit playing because i knew i was almost at the end. You went so far to get there, its been a blast, the story is compelling.. but its obviously leading up to the final boss. You know you have that one last push and its all over. I dont want it to be over yet! So ill put it aside for now..
Never went back and finished it.
Its self defeating and stupid, i know.
Kinda like when youre watching a great, intriguing comedy movie. Every moment is a laugh a minute. But as it nears the end, you start feeling sad, because its almost over, and there wont be any more fun moments to enjoy.
This is what i think makes a game or movie good though. They hook you in so much that you just dont want it to end. But most games nowadays are intentionally made to keep you hooked on them for the wrong reasons. Its either for play time statistics or monetary incentive for the company. Play for so long per day by compulsion, buy our microtransactions, finish for the day and move on to the next game with the same agenda.
Really, it all comes to how ppl expect things to be perfect, CONSTANTLY, like humans have this thing where they think such a concept can be unlimited, and if it's not, it's bad. The moment it's not satisfying them to the max, it becomes bad, and it's not their fault, nope, IT'S THE THING'S FAULT FOR NOT BEING PERMANENTLY PERFECT, there's no way we put high expectations on the thing, and it happens with ppl too, bc he compared it to a marriage, well if you expect thw pther person to be always perfect for you, you will get so dissapointed, every time.
I agree bone spear and blood mist arent the most fun builds. I did a summoner/bone spear build that was pretty fun and effective pre-season. Now in season one doing a sever/blighted corpse explosion/bone storm/ summoner build that im hoping to make really effective and more fun... Just need to find another ring of Mendeln to make the minion part of the build work and bring it all together.
Concorde flew so fast that if you took a flight in the late evening in the direction of when the sun set you would see the sun rising up again.
Sad to see them go but I don’t miss the noise of them flying over my house, that ish was loud
I play video games to escape reality. Either I’ll love it or dislike it, but I’ll never hate it as it immediately does its job of distracting me.
Very sad you feel the need to escape reality so much. Playing games will often just postpone you bettering your life to a point you don’t need to stick your head in the sand so often.
Escaping reality should not be a primary motivator for anything that you do often.
I feel this way with poe, I love the game and I've played it for up to 200 hours but i feel like i need to install a case fan onto my skull to prevent my brain from overheating with the sheer amount of information you need to waterboard yourself with just to get a bare basic understanding of what the hell is even going on despite putting so much time into it
Unfortunately that is the same reason the game does not appeal to the majority of new players. It is too complicated for its own good. Hopefully PoE2 fixes some of these issues.
I feel bad for the person saying that looking at the brightside of things and staying positive is an "out of touch take" hopefully they figure out how many problems they cause themselves regularly
Daryl Talks Gaming is a really interesting channel. Thought provoking stuff about the cross section of psychology and video games.
Well I still play Genshin every single day from day 1 because it's actually fun and if there are no new events it will take me only 10 minutes to do dailies during my lunch break or when i commute and i still can earn enough free currency to wish for the character that i want quite often. If i hate a game i just don't play it LOL
I think it's to the point where it's safe to say that Live service games are games that you play just to have something to complain about, I mean that's basically Asmon in a nutshell.
Why are people in relationships they hate? Why are people working jobs they hate? Why do people hate-watch content creators they hate? Why do people consume news & media they hate?
Its a easier reaction that causes a reaction and a release from inside the brain in other words… its harder to be good than its easier to be evil
I think we all can see the answer yet at the same time its very far too reach that answer
I wouldn't say all of those have the same answers, if that's what you're implying.
@@SRFAA I agree, definitely not the same answer (somewhat linked though), but people do things they hate all the time to the point where it's not really surprising that it's the case with video games also.
Its a iffy reason because we are all so different lol
Sometimes it's a good thing to burn out your interest in a game.
When I was a kid I played Lego Star Wars so much that I'm still a little sick of it and I still have every level memorized. The same with Uncharted, when I was a teenager I platinummed the entire series. When I got into Mass Effect, playing the entire trilogy basically just so I could understand what everyone was so upset about with 3, it took me almost a year to get done replaying that trilogy and fiddling with all the variables. With all three, it is a little bit obnoxious to go back and replay them because I know them inside out.
The only series that I've replayed more than any of these is pokémon. Gens 3 through 5. And I felt like I could never quite be done with it until, this last year, I went through and completed the pokédexes for each generation. I think it has higher replay value than the others, and it doesn't annoy me to play further, but it definitely gave me a sense of closure. I kind of just don't care about pokémon as much anymore, and in a way that lets me like it better.
I have 1.5k hours in Skyrim and enjoyed every hour. it's one i come back to less frequently over time but its a game that i know i'll always come back to for another playthrough. When the current state of gaming frustrates me it's a nice refreshment from battle passes and censorship and political messaging.
Weird to see someone write something like that, because Skyrim sucked 12 years ago and now its so much worse
27:14 People who think the time was wasted when they played 20h of a game and then quit, are probably the same people that think when a relationship ends after 3 years, all those years were wasted. That's not really a healthy mindset imo. Appreciate the things you enjoyed and go forth.
I completely agree with asmons takes. I understand what he means when he says, "the house could be burning around me but as long as I can get on my PC then I'm good." For me I remind myself of the times that I couldn't. Times when I could barely feed myself. It really helps me appreciate what I have now and what I've earned.
Bro when elden ring came out all my waking hrs were literally thinking about the game or playing the game no in-between all day at work i would even convince people into playing it 😂
I did this math in my head while driving but at $1000 a flight 200 passengers, as Asmond said, that's $200,000, to get 9 billion, it would take 45,000 flights. If we use the 3 hour flight mentioned and assume the plane flew all day every day, it would take roughly 15 and a half years to pay off the plane. Don't worry I parked before typing this.
Sometimes i get so sad when i am really close to what i think is the ending that i find myself unable to finish it.
the "i stopped playing because other people did too" is valid in my opinion, specially because i prefer to play with other people and if said people are not playing (lets say my friends that also played the game) then naturally i will lose enjoyment from that game
The B-1 Lancer was first built in 1984 and is still in service. It flies on a regular basis, it flies supersonic on a regular basis, it flies around the entire planet. How is the B-1 still in service with no profit other than bombing runs but the Concorde and hopes of supersonic travel dead because of a few hiccups.
I have so much strong will lately, that I resisted playing LOL back again, I uninstalled OW2 right away the shitty announcement they had and Haven't played D4 until they fix their game, feels like the lack of Dopamine is the main factor most people come back to a game they hate, cause that game even if its bad, it gave you that dopamine.
Concord the plane, Concord the game, Costa Concordia the boat.
Y'all gotta stop naming things Concord 😂
I used to think I could have a normal life with a loving wife and a wonderful family, working a job I liked. I have spent most of my life chasing that, but failed at every turn. Nowadays I am single, unemployed and chronically ill. I have come to terms with the fact that I will end up alone and never achieve my dreams and for the first time in my life, I am at peace. Some of my remaining friends and family sees this as giving up, but to me it has been all about letting go. After years and years of constant failure, imense stress and suicidal thoughts, I just decided to say "fuck it". I'll become happy on my own terms.
GG
i have over 4k hours in league over the years, i played every day for 5 years, i quit 2 or 3 years ago and now that im out i have NO IDEA why i ever even played, i hated it sooo much, even when i was winning i would hate the game, my team, the champions, everything
me with smite
were you good? were your friends playing the game?
idk i never understood mobas anyway. i'm pretty bad at multi-tasking, so i knew it wasnt really for me, but also they're simply very annoying and unfun to me.
Lost Ark 😮you look so pumped and amazed playing when I watched you play awesome underwater battle… your team got you thru it…
I don't play games I hate. I play games I wish were better or are good in the first place. If they aren't, I look to why and try to find ways to make it better. Like Skyrim with mods isn't as bad as vanilla Skyrim which is one of the worst most overrated games of all time. Meanwhile Oblivion vanilla is good and mods just compliment it even more. I also review/rant about my problems with games that have flaws cause I want them to be better.
$200k revenue per flight would take 45000 flights to make $9 billion. At 1 flight a day, it would take 123 years to recoup costs. Ouch.
The last topic was really great. Nowadays I don’t talk to peaple that much at all, because they are very close minded, its hard to have nice conversations when the majority of peaple only talk about beer/party/gossip and when you ask questions about great topics they don’t have any opinion on the subject
Rewatching a year layer to a world where a sony AAA game named Concord fell off so bad 😅
47:49 My friend is the same way. He has watched all of breaking bad except the final episode. I was like “WHAT? HOW?” 😂
Toulouse France, sounded like To Lose Friends, and it was answering so great to "why we play game we hate ?"
47:50 bruh this is a genius tactic but i also hate how real this is lol i hate it when something so good..... just ends . And its just done. No more . Its the first playthrough (or if you decide to rewatch/play a series again you haven't played in years because you don't remember alot of it. ) that just makes you so depressed and makes you think that it's not gonna be this good again after the first time round. It's why i usually take huge breaks after certain series binging, it gets to me sometimes lol especially if a series is that fucking good . Even though i watched LOTR and the hobbit extended trilogies hundreds of fucking times by this point , watching return of the king after watching all 6 movies, i will always have this feeling lol the one movie series that will never get old to me. It's such an amazing but sometimes a gut punching/depressing thing to go through/have at times like these. It sucks when so many great things gotta have sad endings sometimes.
the 'beak' is so the pilot(s) can see, during takeoff. it straightens out, otherwise.
You played Lost Ark for 1500h? That game is so bad, i played like half an hour. It is literally just a Chinese mobile game mmo, and basically plays itself. Its a disrespect to the isometric action RPG games, or diablo clones if you like.
Mine is Overwatch. I actively hate it most play sessions, but there isn’t a better alternative lol
I’m blessed , maybe it’s my age or other stresses- I come home from work and play if I’m into a game! I’ll admit I love destiny 2 , but I’m on a 9 mo break- I’ve done this a ton of times. I’m 200+ hrs into elden ring , think about it at work, think about it more then is normal, but there are several games I own I’ve not played and when I get stuck and mad more then a few times right after logging on I change to a new game.
Most people have no idea how to practice and get better most of the time at what they do .
20:45 This is especially true for rocket league, go look at the top players when the game first came out compared to today, the skill ceiling is insane
Yup, most online (PvP) games are fun the first year, or sometimes only the first few months.... because after that the no-lifers putting in 10 hours a day, 7 days a week make the game unfun. It's not fun when the game needs you to treat it like a job to get on the level of the sweaty no-lifers.
Don't believe me on this? Saw a dude not two days ago with over 8k hours in a game that had come out only 4 years prior. That would mean brother averaged over 5 hours a day NON STOP FOR 4 YEARS... And here's the kicker: the game wasn't part of his 3 recently played games. Dude was playing other games and had stopped really playing that one for a while already... That was also just on his steam account and god knows too many games require different launchers.
How do you compete with that level of no-lifing. There's a reason people find online games way less fun now... because you have way more of those people sucking the fun out of games, forcing min-maxed meta onto others (to try and keep up). Even just those obligatory metas make online games a chore, let alone the sweaty shit-bucket losers.
Now I know that most competitive PvP games are fun only at first and I get the most out of them. One that's been out for a while? No thanks.
It's different with huge games likes Fortnite since so many new people keep getting into it and the player population is large enough to dilute the sweat stains.
"wait there's more, until there wasn't". Literally every book i read. That's why I only read long sagas.
Skill based matchmaking has done this to me. I used to love PvP shooters. I enjoy being good at something fun. If I had a bad day, I'd hop on Halo or CoD or Destiny 1 and just slay out. Nowadays I just chase that feeling and I can't have it anymore, because every lobby I get is either laggy, sweaty, contains a cheater, or some combination of those things.
Every match feels like high level ranked play and it's not only unfun, it's anti-fun, it is actively _fun repellant_ and ruins my mood when it used to do the opposite.
I hated fortnite thought it was trash.
I could build better then 50% of people but the ones of could just go crazy build delete couldn't keep up and for a game supposed to have fun/older people play but meant for younger too.
It just wasn't fair if a casual/young kid got in lobby with a streamer or someone who just does it all the time.
Now having No build,and ranked,other side mini games has made it alot better. Some mini games make you feel it's not even fortnite
Why Do We Play Games We Hate?
played runescape for the pvp hated pvm & skilling
working on 2nd max acc my rune dragon alt
definitly the "in to deep one" :D osrs pvp knawt wut it used to be ;-;
for anyone who has played the game "rogue lineage", personally, i liked playing the game even though i despised and hated it, because the community was so toxic it became unironically funny.
What baffled me about PUBG is how EA dropped the ball soooo hard not retro-fitting the BR mode into BF3/4 and just dominate the BR era.
Fifa 23 is the only game to make me rage, every single time a play it. No other game comes close. I had to completely delete it of the dashboard because I kept downloading it every couple of months and the cycle kept repeating itself
I never understood people who wholeheartedly hate and trash league of legends. when they literally have nothing to play and you offer them casual match of LOL they get so riled up for nohing its just a game relax... As long as you play it with friend any shit game can be fun for a while. Funiest thing that these people usually have 1k+ hours on that game and constantly keep returning to play it in secret, but when you offer them to play one match becouse they are bored they become so defensive :D
My grandfather trained the first pilots on the concord and was on the 1st flight as well
@@ChickenJoe-tq6xd Raymond Charles
For me honestly, dark souls 3 was my first soulsborne game and I still remember going to see Irithyll of the Boreal Valley, it literally took my breath away. It sucks knowing I will never experience it again but it makes me feel happy knowing I got to experience it
I feel like this is the same as saying “if i knew this, i would never have done it!”
Well ofc not, hindsight is always 20/20, but you made those choices with the knowledge of that moment. And it likely seemed like a good choice AT THAT moment, so own it even if it turned out to be bad.
What on earth is this guy talking about? If I don’t like a game, I stop playing it. Red Dead 2 for instance was given to me. My horse died, the menu system is ass, so I stopped. Good riddance to it.
I've played tf2 for 10 years, have 4k hours and I somewhat know what that 6k guy was talking about but generally I disagree. maybe tf2 isn't AS fun anymore but I take a year long break or so, come back to it, and I'm refreshed and I have a good time.
If a game doesn't pull me in in the first hour, I just quit and try another game until I find one that does immediately feel good. Bad/floaty controls make me quit within 5 minutes, controls don't get better after 20/40/100 hours. (If I had to pay full price for every game I would probably give it more time, but I have Ps+ so that makes every game disposable in a way because there are plenty to choose from)
@@Senumunu That's fair.
First 6 seconds: Why do we play games that we hate? - "To lose friends"
I did like diablo 4 since the new season I got bored it's the same shit over and over blizzard don't care about the game they just want to profit from the game Devs I don't trust.
I understand why some ppl hate on genhsin but i honestly love the game. It is predatory no doubt as most gacha games are but you can genuinely play it entirely for free so long as you actually have a modicum of self control. You can beat all the in game content too minus the spiral abyss.
31:25 this was me with Witcher 3, i didn't fintd the characters very engaging and the combat was very mid-tier so i really didn't really get it, also i expected it to be an RPG so when my choices were extremely limited I really did not see the appeal.