Deepak, I love this interview, so much respect for all that you share. Needless to say your perspective is feared because if you’re right then they are wrong. And I might be wrong, but geez I can’t wait to see them catch up ✨
What I see is a mature discussion between two interesting people, unlike the comment section that is centered on rooting for the spokesperson of the preferred position and ridiculing the other without articulating the contents in the slightest. What a shame
@@marcosbrocvallsawesome consideration I was inclined to see alessio insightful and wise The enmity is unnecessary The observed conversation was quite intelligent and probing without personal attacks etc Like Cronkite and Moyer
Chopra stepped on the other dude incessantly. He couldn’t get his points across and Chora also belittled dude implying with every response that if one disagreed w his position it was simply because they didn’t understand. You are correct sir. I do not understand mumbo jumbo
This is common knowledge among real scientists and doctors. What he is doing is that he is interweaving real data with bullshit, so as to make bullshit sound convincing.
Deepak almost sounded humble and, dare I say, sensible, at first when his use of "quantum" was just a metaphor... But when Richard pressed just a little bit more, the woo-woo train left the station at full speed.
That's funny, I am 3 mins in and thinking - everything he has said so far sounds pretty reasonable...scroll down and read this comment...ah, I see the crazy is yet to come.
I am in the camp of science because it explains SO much about our universe, but I have had an experience that seems to align better with Chopra. I realized I could not control my digestion, that worrying about the duration of the discomfort, the cause of it, the severity of it, better strategies, was not solving anything. I decided to flush all that and decided on only 2 physical things - i would chew my food extremely well and eat smaller volumes. If I did have discomfort, I would wait it out. // A weight was lifted off me. Everything changed. Yes I had discomfort but it didn't last very long, not as before, sometimes 4 days of misery and worry. I said, I have to let my body act however it has to and I'll distract myself with The Selfish Gene if need be during those periods. It changed my life. I cannot prove nor do I care if it is only a temporal effect. All I know is I no longer worry about it and it has settled down to something quite manageable.
@@rustyb4nana I think he means by that, that since all propositions of logic are tautologies and all (true) empircial propositions share and show the logical structure of the world and can therefore be expressed in the schema "aRb", everything that can be said can therefore be said quite clearly -> aRb. Everything that isn't expressable in this way isn't expressable at all, and me therefore must not try do speak about it, since it is per Definition not possible. To say that God is ineffable is already trying to say something that would only be sayable if it was an emprirical proposition (which it is obviously not).
Chopra is trying to translate from Saṁskṛtam to English, but the concepts don't exist in English. Dawkins can't understand his own ignorance in this situation.
@@VigiliusHaufniensisIn the system of the Tractatus, speaking of the religiously ineffable is categorically identical to what you have just done - speaking of the essential nature of language. You have contradicted yourself by trying to *say* that Wittgenstein meant to do in demarcating sense from nonsense, for as Russell said in his introduction, everything having to do with the expressibility of language is necessarily inexpressible within language. Wittgenstein’s point was clearly not simply to define the limit between sense and nonsense and urge us to stay on the ‘sensible’ side of it - for his book contradicts that very advice. Instead, the Tractatus acknowledges that we cannot *but* confront the limits of language - we *must* transcend the bounds of sense. Wittgenstein spells this out further in his ‘Lecture on Ethics’. The situation resembles that of the apophatic theologian: God is ineffable, but it is part of our human condition that we must contradict ourselves in trying to express our inexpressible awareness of the transcendent.
@@AnalysisLegend Sure, if at certain levels it is possible to know the relative truth. About the Truth as the Absolute, as the Totality, surely no human being could grasp it....
Dr. Dawkins thank you for your work. I really like your way of thinking, no mumbo jumbo, just simple words to explain and understand things. I really love the clarity, you are an inspiration!
When somebody that is not a PHD scientist says 'quantum' and then anything after that, there's a 95% chance they have no clue what they're talking about and are probably trying to sell you some nonsense.
As a physicist, I'd up that to a 99,99%. Even many people doing physics don't have a good grasp or understanding of quantum mechanics. It is very counterintuitive, cannot be related to everyday phenomena and parts of it are evident only through quite abstract mathematics.
I agree. My brother is a space rocket related physicist. I try to avoid opening any science related books around him😂 I get drilled and mined and dug up. So I put cartoons😂😂
Assumptions present in materialist worldview that are purley metaphycial with no scientific backing: 1. Reality consists solely of what can be measured and observed, neglecting the possibility of non-physical entities or dimensions. 2. The universe and everything in it can be fully understood through its fundamental physical laws. 3. All events, including human thoughts and actions, are the result of preceding events in accordance with the laws of physics. 4. The universe originated from a singular, infinitely dense point, and its creation and expansion can be entirely explained through physical laws. 5. Objective, empirical observation is the only valid method for acquiring knowledge about the universe. 6. The quantum world can be entirely understood through physical laws, without invoking any special role for consciousness or observer effects beyond the physical.
@@nikkideanmusicyet here we are showing more and more that the attitude of a subject can influence their immune system as well as control stress and other mitigating variables that lead to increased overall health. Not nonsense, you just have to seperate the wheat from the chaff.
@@Sushilala33 Which has been known for generations and has NOTHING to do with anything "Quantum". Deepak Chopra is a fraud and snake oil salesman. It's a simple as that.
@@blobofconsciousness There is no such thing as a "blind adherence to science" becasue the very nature of the scientific process requires the scientist change their mind when confronted with evidence that contradicts their hypothesis. So no, the opposite of superstitious.
Sort of answers itself doesn’t it. Works for Weight Watchers, takes Ozempic. Everybody knows Oprah loves to eat. Nothing wrong with that but she has a long track record of saying one thing and doing another.
Yes it's fair to say Deepak is more on the pressured side and doing pretty well overall. I don't have issues with this interview and think either of them come off badly.
@cheapbruh9778 science changes with time. Applied science increases with fundamental knowledge. Just to say that there is a relationship between gut health and brain function would have been laughed at by science a decade ago. So, before you negate the ability of mind to heal, you need to be sure of it. As a scientist, you can't be a believer and a non-believer without proper research.
@@cheapbruh9778 Sure, you cant distinguish science from "philosophical nonsense" since you are probably a reductionist like Dawkins. The very fact that the mind is part of the organism completely eludes you. The simple reason being that reductionists can't put it under a microscope and view it. Hence every thing to do with the mind is "philosophical nonsense"!
I think in this particular snippet of the discussion, Dr. Chopra actual made a lot of good point that even Dr. Dawkins acknowledge. It was not a slam dunk. All in all he might still be wack but in this discussion he raised some good points.
Yeah, I agree with you. I was very surprised by how much sense Dr Chopra seemed to make. I was also surprised that he said straight away that he uses the word quantum merely as a metaphor. I suppose 60 years ago he may have used the word atomic in the same way.
@@septleaves8521 I've listened to him in other discussions.. He does sometimes smuggle in a god of the gaps in his discussions. That's what I mean by all in all.
A conversation held in a very polite and respectful manner that didn´t go nowhere. Anyhow I enjoyed listening to Deepak´s answers. Talking-chess-game 🤭
@@chiragmatta3480 Feel free to explain his long, meaningless, points were. He just speaks without communicating anything useful. Would be helpful to have a translation.
The Best argument for all conspiracy theories and religions is “We don't know this, we don't know that, we can't explain this and that, so I know everything and I am right. “
Appeal to ignorance is also known as argument from ignorance, in which ignorance represents “a lack of contrary evidence” and becomes “a fallacy in informal logic.” It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven as false. This is the consequence of lack of knowledge and insufficient information to prove the proposition to be either true or false.
The best argument of science is also that scientific methods are the only way to reach the truth and scientists switch around vaguely among different hypotheses and settle on a Theory and reject that after some days or centuries. Religions sustain on intuitive philosophies and convictions on certain intuitive hypotheses , science also stands on bunch of hypotheses . All are groping in the darkness of vast ocean. There are many questions which science can not answer , religions answers on intuitive and philosophical perspectives .
hence Elon musk the other day, when he said it is correct that they do not have a vote then followed up by the great placement theory that hasn't been proved anywhere.
@@md.noorulkarim5542 Scientists DO NOT "switch around vaguely among different hypotheses and settle on a Theory and reject that after some days or centuries". Anyone who says this has no clue about what the Scientific Method is, and how scientists evaluate the evidence and data to come to conclusions of WHAT MOST LIKELY explains what was observed. There's no 'switch(ing) around vaguely' unless it's a politician trying to distort the reality of the evidence to support his views. (Yes, politicians are renown for this, but scientists aren't!) Now that doesn't mean scientists stop learning about what they're studying, or may even not all agree on how the evidence is best interpreted. Take for example the Paleontological Study of when humans moved into the Americas. Previous evidence indicated that occurred during or just after the last Ice Age, about 13,000 years ago, and it was based on ocean levels being low, causing the land bridge between Asia and Alaska. Also, there wasn't significant evidence found of inhabitants arriving before then. Recent discoveries in Alaska, Mexico, and White Sands New Mexico have found human footprints and artifacts in several layers of sediment that have been Carbon-Dated back as far as over 23,000-years. These footprints have been discovered in the same layers as several pre-Ice-age animals, which also supports their findings of the age of the human footprints. Such findings have caused paleontologists to re-assess their previous theories about both when and how North America was first inhabited by humans. That's exactly how science works! Existing evidence is used to form theories BASED ON THAT EVIDENCE! (Not on 'switch(ing) around vaguely'!) When New EVIDENCE is discovered that better explains our understanding, then our theories are revised to reflect that new knowledge. IN ALL CASES it is actual evidence that is the basis that backs both our knowledge and our theories that explain our discoveries. That's how science works.
@@md.noorulkarim5542 wrong. No body argues that the scientific method is the only way to reach truth. It’s just a matter of fact it does consistently provide a method to unbiasedly evaluate data accurately. Resulting in reasonable logical conclusions about said data. Religion on the other hand isn’t a philosophical demonstration in any sense. That’s why it’s called theology and not philosophy. Logic and reason are types of philosophy and epistemological tools for conscious thinking . “Intuitive philosophy” means absolutely nothing, what you mean to say is “faith based thinking ” which absolutely flies in the face of epistemological tools like logic and reasoning. Which is demonstrated by it’s dogmatic approach to thinking.
I agree. I'm not a fan of Deepak Chopra, but in this interview he was sensible. I was surprised. Just like Chopra, I believe there is more to us than meets the scientific eye. Just because science doesn't have proof or evidence that something exists, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It only means it hasn't been discovered yet.
@@BitsySkittlesPryss No... What you are saying is because 'it hasn't been discovered yet', then it exists, which is where you've erred. Because something has not been discovered can only mean it may, or may not exist. Not that is is yet to be discovered... You're thinking like Deepak, which is why so many disagree with his flawed reasoning...
@@garymaclean6903 Yes, you're right. I should have left off the last sentence of my reply. But I do stand by what I said just previous to the final sentence. Just because science has not discovered that something exists, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I once worked on an exhibit development project for a large and famous science museum in Chicago. One person on the team tried to convince the rest of us that Deepak Chopra would be a great consultant. This is a SCIENCE museum, we said. “He’s a famous scientist,” she replied, as well as, and this is a direct quote, “probably the best in the world.” That was a painful project.
The irony is, Chopra gets astrology and many esoteric realities. Dawkins cannot understand astrology, yet it is one of the most profoundly significant subjects one can imagine.
@@newtonbelieved I will be generous and conclude that your claim of astrology being profoundly significant was a joke, because if you were serious, it would mean you are utterly clueless.
The cosmos experiences an abundance of belonging for knowledge to unfold through in innumerable happiness. It is love that drives positive miracles where Imagination arises and subsides in ephemeral self-knowledge. - Deepak Chopra quote generator
Really? seemed pretty clear I thought. To take issue with a purely mechanistic and statistical account of medical problems in favour of accommodating subjectivity and the psychology (history, intentional states etc) of a person/patient (re both diagnosis, prognosis and treatment) is hardly controversial ... is it? And Deepak got his point across quite eloquently ... I thought. Having said this, I know nothing of Deepak; was he was playing things down a bit for the interview? And admittedly, even if it is a metaphor, to actually include the term 'quantum' it in the title of your approach (was it 'quantum therapy'...?) seems a bit ... well ...silly.
People don’t realise Deepak spent decades as an oncologist - he has worked in the Medical system. His observations came out of his work in the field. Medical science is a MIRACLE of modern life but it only tells half the story. My friend was sent home to die from stage 4 prostate cancer and used diet exercise and meditation to cure himself - now he is working closely with oncologisits in the UK who want to understand how he did it. Medical science and healing clearly are not the same thing - thats just logical. So lets be open to explore what accelerates healing.
I'm happy for your friend, and I hope that they have a long and happy life, but keep in mind that there's no conflict between your friend overcoming sickness and scientific investigation. Dawkins asks right there in the conversation for the verification of Chopra's claims through a double blind experiment, but he slips out of any compromising claims because... Who the hell knows. If your friend's method of overcoming sickness is replicable following a set of concrete steps, there should be evidence of its effectiveness through double a blind experiment, plain and simple. Scientific progress is not against holistic medicine, but it weeds out unsupported and unsubstantiated claims and Chopra's didn't offer anything in this interview to back up his claims except for a constant strawmanning of medical science.
How did he know it was the diet, exercise or meditation that cured him? Maybe he had a prayer circle asking for blessings from the good lord for him? 😂
Doctors use obscure language that patients don't understand, says Deepak. Well, that's not my experience. As a long-term patient I go to consultants with a prioritised hit-list of key questions to ask, arising from what ails me, and I make notes of their responses. My experience is that hospital consultants are delighted to explain things to patients, in fact delight in the dialogues they have with their patients, to the extent that, during Covid, when many appointments were done by telephone, doctors were losing out on one of the joys of their profession, mourning the loss of face-to-face interactions. Patients appreciate such interactions too, so the positive feedback which Deepak implies does not occur in conventional medicine is in fact there, and always has been, limited only by the fact that doctors are often overwhelmingly busy, and have to be careful with the use of their time.
This video was from a long time ago. Maybe doctors back then were different to doctors now or the average patient is also now better informed and capable of understanding.
There is two sorts of people on this planet: those that know how powerful they are as healers/self healers and those that dont and rely on allopathic pharmaceutical interventions. The latter hate the idea of a holistic approach.
Not bad. The entire exchange is interesting. The interviewer is trying to (calmly) incite the interviewee...using words like 'mumbo jumbo' to describe things he doesn't know or finds difficult to understand is insensitive. Deepak Chopra on his part is trying his best to give clarity on the topic of discussion but his rebuttals could have been stronger. Wisdom traditions exist, are believed and have seen powerful results. No doubt. Anyway, one can take sides based on their worldview and belief systems. Deepak certainly seems calm in the face of scepticism.
The part I do believe is when he said when I doctor says you have six months to live, you believe you have six months and then die in six months, I've seen that. And also seen people refusing the prognosis and living for years later, so there is truth in your mind having some influence over the body
Deepak was a very worthy guest who made some very good, coherent points. He hardly sounded like a charlatan. This was an excellent, thought-provoking discussion
@@cheapbruh9778 Philosophy is mother of science. You cant do science without philosophy. Science ( modern, natural science ) is themself based on theology. Scientism is also philosophy. Your entire comment is absurd. You want glorify science not knowing what is science, not knowing roots of science . Crazy people... :))))
@@cheapbruh9778 Hmm, I choose to view your comment as irony, as you cannot possibly claim to know anything about the scientific insights of the person you're commenting to. And this forum is too narrow-banded for any of us to actually understand each other. I humbly propose humility in comments. To me Chopra defends his standpoint clearly, by the way.
@@62Baltus Of course I can. Chopra made several nonsensical statements, that has nothing to do with science. If I said 1+1 is 66 and someone then commented... wow you are really starting to make far more sense than before... that could only mean one of two things. 1. Him and you are clueless about the topic or 2. You are joking. Take your pick.
Here's the thing guys - Both of these individuals are high IQ, extremely intelligent, and have a passion for their vocations. I'm a fan of both, and listening to their thoughts and ideas only enriches my outlook towards life ! 😊
I appreciate Dawkins, but anyone who watches his debates and discussions has to admit he is very inflexible at times and down right intolerant. I'm afraid I have seen him behave as if he is trying to be the poster boy for dogma at times. To me, despite his obvious intelligence, he could definitely be a better scientific thinker. Still a fan though!
@@oggyoggy1299 research what some leading physicists/biologists/neurologists are talking about these days before you call his ideas foolish. People are very interested in these concepts and for very good reason.
(Since I am unable to submit a comment in reply to Michel, I will do so here: 1. Jeff does not provide definitive proof of what consciousness is. 2. Numenta is the company he founded - not a thesis, nor journal "in" which he worked. 3. There is a grammatical difference between a modal verb expressing a conditional: "Consciousness may be...etc.," and an auxiliary verb expressing an assertion: "Consciousness is...etc." Hope this helps.) Yes, nothing beyond reason here. In fact, I would go farther and say Dawkins exhibits an arrogance here, and took this opportunity for granted by not reviewing Chopra's theory or material before having this discussion. Chopra speaks about the importance of memes & building upon cultural wisdom, and the Physicist fundamentalists that believe (dogmatism) the physical phenomena of physics is exclusive to the field when consciousness is an object of physical reality like anything else - but excluded as an object of observation. That provides the pretext to a) the language of the theory and b) his wholistic approach to medicine. Within Chopra's theory of Quantum Healing, he makes an inference, which is a logically valid inference: Scientists observe that electrons spontaneously transition between energy levels [quantum leap, an example of discontinuity] without explanation, creativity also transitions between psychical phenomena (mood, memory & sensory perception) without explanation. There is no conscious effort on the part of the mind required to facilitate the mechanism of creativity, nor an apparent physical mechanism for electrons, they just happen. Following this, Healing, as it incorporates psychical phenomena (mood, memory & s. p.) alongside physiology *may be* a phenomenon that relies on discontinuity. @@michelstronguin6974
It's quite ironic to call someone naïve when you describe a proposed scientific theory as "shite" when there are more dubious theories in fields like evolution and cosmology. Chopra is laying the epistemological groundwork for others to verify/refute through scientific study and analysis, although he also poses that a transition in scientific paradigm would likely be required in the first place to even begin these experiments. But again, none of this is particularly new: science as we know of it today has transitioned between several scientific paradigms since its inception in the 1800s. What also isn't new, I suppose, is the dogmatism with which scientists and the religious alike express in favor of their preferred scientists, or theory. @@MrJ2theC
It seems, based on the comments, that the conversation is both alive and dead at the same time, which would make the interview itself a quantum phenomenon.
As a heterodox rationalist that I am, i find most of Mr. Chopra's arguments solid and frankly well structured. What a wonderful conversation, with respect and genuine interest on both sides. Thank you, Mr. Chopra and Mr. Dawkins
Many decades ago, my aunty was diagnosed with Leukaemia. She couldn't have taken the diagnosis any worse...it sent her into an anxiety-ridden plunge into the darkest depths of fear and depression. She was absolutely convinced she was going to die, and even attempted suicide (unsuccessfully). Anyway, she went through a course of conventional Western medicine treatments, all the while with the most negative attitude imaginable. The Leukaemia was successfully treated, and 40 years later she is still alive. So, Chopra is absolutely right when he talks about the healing power of negative thinking.
Dawkins is not disputing that at all, science recognises it as the nocebo effect. What he's disputing is the term "quantum healing". The mechanism can be easily explained and observed, a patient in a stressed out state is in a state of fight/flight and utilising the sympathetic nervous system, in this state the body prioritises immediate survival over healing. Chopra wants to obscure this under mumbo jumbo like "quantum healing" and sells many books and courses, getting rich off the backs of desperate people. He is the "high priest" so to speak, and completely unethical.
I know you think you made some kinda point but the power of positive thinking is a well documented phenomenon. That doesn't mean everyone who thinks positively NEVER has negative outcomes nor does it mean a pessimist can never have positive outcomes. Your mind isn't the only factor to consider but it does have an impact on the physical body.
@@BlueYellowGreenVc I've NEVER said " everyone who thinks positively NEVER has negative outcomes", nor did I say "a pessimist can never have positive outcomes". I know you think you made some kinda point, but putting words in my mouth that I never said, then trying to hang me for them, only reflects back on you... I certainly know a person's mental outlook can potentially affect their medical outcomes.
There is no knowing outside of experience. If you realize that you do not understand the other person, you do not have to try. Time is one of the biggest problems; all processes take place in time.
@@davecarson3D Guess you missed the part where he said he often works along with the person's medical team. I'm not even a fan of Chopra but there's nothing supernatural about most of what he talks about here. The mental state plays a huge rule in how one copes with their health and for many people a sense of spirituality can help as well. Most people are not NOT seeking medical advice. This is just another aspect to how we can heal.
*Quality* conversation! Both *Richard & Deepak* showed immense *poise* in questioning/answering despite carrying different convictions at some level when it comes to their worldviews👏👏👏 Will give a little more *credit* to *Deepak* as *answering* such incisive questions on the spot is even more difficult than *questioning* . I suspect I've seen this conversation a few years ago. The *impression* I somehow had then was that *Deepak* struggled which I find is NOT the case when I see it today🤷 My view as well for long has been that EVERYTHING that happens in the universe has NO randomness associated with it (i.e God does not play dice with the universe). This must ALSO be the scientific view as that is the VERY FOUNDATION & PREMISE on which science itself EXISTS: i.e one could always RELATE events ("happenings" at a "point in time") as Causes & Effects with some pattern behind them whose RULES can be understood by observation & experiments to be summarised as LAWS GOVERNING them that can help PREDICT such future events; which we have also been benefitting immensely from by putting to good use to advance LIFE in the last few centuries! Now, THAT should naturally lead to the question of WILL HUMANS (or any evolved Beings of intelligence & consciousness) EVER discover that LAW of EVERYTHING (covering the Actions/Karma committed by life that seems to involve some uncertainty, subjectivity & creativity in every individual manifestation of it) that has been the ultimate goal of modern science which has been a work with NO progress yet? And my answer to that is NO for the following SIMPLE logical reason: IF we discover that law, then with that KNOWLEDGE & PREDICTION of what could happen next, we should be able to INFLUENCE & CHANGE the outcome which would violate our starting point that we did discover the LAW of EVERYTHING🤷 In other words, science will NEVER know it ALL as Deepak says AND some uncertainty, subjectivity & creativity behind EVERY Action/Karma of Life will REMAIN the ULTIMATE REALITY. The ABOVE argument & conclusion should NOT be surprising given that, Richard himself seems to have chosen the name "The POETRY of Reality" for this channel with all his evolved wisdom over the years☺️🙏
Not sure why Dawkins posted a video of Chopra schooling him on the subtleties of health and life that the mechanistic approach doesn't take into account. Everything he said made sense
posting this old video is really odd, it appears he approached Chopra unexpectedly and had a cameraman with him as though he was going to catch Chopra off guard. Clearly Chopra doesn’t appreciate this kind of disrespect where he is standing with Richard towering over him during this interrogation. By the title of this, it appears Richard is attempting to benefit by ridiculing individuals that he can’t comprehend and when one’s mind believes if you can’t see it it doesn’t exist, life must be pretty dull. This was highly edited video, wonder what else Chopra said that Richard doesn’t want to share
Can you riddle me this: "The patient - doctor interaction, the phenomenon of limbic resonance which is the emotional bonding between healer and the one being healed, which is now known to result in homeostasis which is a very important part of the healing process" after the 6 minutes mark? Cheers.
Once you accept as proven that subjectivity accounts for over 30% of patient outcomes (all things being equal), then discounting subjectivity in treatment options is nothing short of negligence.
I have to commend Deepak for engaging with such skeptics. I am not a Chopra fan but arrogance of scientists, despite the projected modesty, is pretty evident to me in how they go about such conversations and bring their biases and dogmas to bear. "Wisdom Traditions" was the key phrase Chopra used which will be nothing but an object of derision by Scientism.
I find it fascinating that some people have a desire to prove others wrong in order to prove themselves right. I have experienced Chopra as quite happy to share his views without proving anything and Dawkins seemingly driven to prove others wrong. Or maybe I am wrong?
posting this old video is really odd, it appears he approached Chopra unexpectedly and had a cameraman with him as though he was going to catch Chopra off guard. Clearly Chopra doesn’t appreciate this kind of disrespect where he is standing with Richard towering over him during this interrogation. By the title of this, it appears Richard is attempting to benefit by ridiculing individuals that he can’t comprehend and when one’s mind believes if you can’t see it it doesn’t exist, life must be pretty dull. This was highly edited video, wonder what else Chopra said that Richard doesn’t want to share
Terence McKenna observed, “Modern science is based on the principle: ‘Give us one free miracle and we’ll explain the rest.’ The one free miracle being the appearance of all the mass and energy in the universe, and all the laws that govern it, in a single instant, from nothing.”
I was delighted, as a rationalist and admirer of Dawkins, to finally encounter a conversation where he doesn't simply annihilate his opponent. After all, how could anyone object to the notion that consciousness has real physiological outcomes warranting further research (and practice)? Chopra comes across as considerably more eloquent and diplomatic than Dawkins. And if I ever receive a life-threatening diagnosis, I'm trying both conventional and unconventional remedies. Life, whatever the hell it is, is worth leveling my intellectual pride.
When people are desperate and uneducated they will listen to quacks and try their snake oil. And who cares how eloquent Chopra is? One would expect a snake oil salesman to be eloquent. Thinking people care more about what is true.
@@candyquahogmarshmallow8257 In conjunction with traditional medicine (that might not be effective), absolutely. Are you implying you wouldn't give a totally innocuous remedy the time of day, one that could potentially save or prolong your life, because it offends your intellectual ego? That sounds pretty irrational to me.
@@hunkydory1620 I may try something that has good preliminary evidence that it’s effective. But no… I would not waste my time, effort and money on things that contradict the laws of physics such as Chopra’s bullshit. There are literally thousands of quack remedies. Many that will do more harm. You would try any of them out of desperation? The funny thing is some people do try quack therapies while receiving conventional treatments and when they get better they give credit to the alternative treatment instead of the conventional treatment or the possibility that the body healed itself. Then they tell everyone it was the alternative therapy that saved them. That’s how word of these quack cures is spread.
@@hunkydory1620 no, but I wouldn't give it the time of day because I KNOW it's nonsense and the time I wasted doing that I could be getting actual help. To me, it's irrational to desperately try anything that hasn't been proven in the hope against hope that it would work. If its desperate then time is of the essence which this snake oils salesman would be talking away).
The whole reason there is a placebo affect shows you that Deepal Chopra is absolutely studying something important. 100% proven that positive thinking and a certain thinking changes your biology, absolutely, placebo affect already tells us that...
Richard, you do know that at the base of us all, we are made of atoms. Each of us has about a billion, billion, billion atoms, that’s about (10^27) atoms. And the atoms vibrate differently in each of us. Refer to Nikola Tesla: To understand the world, think in terms of energy, frequency, and vibrations. We haven’t a clue where the first self-replicating cell came from, or how space time began, the fundamentals of the cosmological constant, or the nature of consciousness. Do you find it peculiar that the CIA employs clairvoyant workers? Why, when someone implies anything that you cannot scientifically quantify, you call it hogwash? Isn’t it called a hypotheses? Aren’t hypotheses the very fundamental basis of forwarding science and the nature of reality? Why also, Richard, do you feel uncomfortable staying at alleged haunted hotels?
This video is a testament to Richard’s mental and physical fortitude. Considering the amount of diarrhea pouring out of Deepak’s mouth. How Richard was able to keep his lunch down astounds me…
There’s another one where he puts up with this absolutely insufferable person named Wendy Wright, I think that one shows off his monumental patience better than this.
Richard is always very polite,respectful and patient as opposed to Sam Harris who has done debates with Deepak and spends the whole time finding different ways of calling him a moron. Sam doesn't suffer fools.
Not is this particular case, yes he is patient in many debates, and people here are generalizing those debated and outcomes and copy pasting the remarks, because they do not understand the gravity of this conversation. Dawkins would have no serious objections to Dr Deepak, and Dr Deepak was NOT talking about any mumbo jumbo, his facts were spot on and even better contextualized in terms of what is happening in US in the name of healthcase and pharmaceutical Not long ago emotional health was a mumbo jumbo...and mental illness before that, it is perfectly possible to carry out RCTs keeping conscience or psychological states as one of the counfounders .. and it has been done !!! Sadly, no one tells common people about how many RCTs faily every month, just how robustly people belonging to control or placebo group behave, even in absence of any treatment!! The unexplained coufounders in medical studies is overwhelming ! Something has to fill this gap, and we are afraid what it will be. I have been part of 100s of these RCTs, and it is not good, not worth explaining to people what horrors are being done to common people in the name of "modern" medicine, left the industry some time back..done with devil's advocacy .... i believe we can do much more with science. We have forgot that one of the main KPIs of science is "exploration" and all we do is arrogant "extrapolation" ... building on what we already know .... sheet arrogance
I've always been on the fence about Chopra. However, listening to this conversation has actually made me feel less on the fence, and more inclined to go along with him. I actually understood a lot of what he was saying. I agree though that the expression "quantum healing" is misleading and I believe it shouldn't be used to describe what was being discussed. Among spiritual healers a few years ago there was a rise in what they referred to as "quantum healing" . This was said to be a different kind of spritiual healing which reached much more than the average healing session. To make it different, they added certain flourishes. The different "flourishes" they used (sorry but I can't really explain it any other way) such as "flinging their hands at the patient in a sudden movement" or other physical actions, were to convince the patient that they were not simply receiving your average, every day healing, but something extra special. This allowed the healers to give themselves a fancy title, which they earned from getting some sort of diploma. Once they had that diploma, this allowed to them to call themselves teachers and teach others how to be quantum healers. Not surprisingly, this resulted in them earning lots of money because I saw at that time, people charging others in the region of $2,000 or more, to do a course to learn to become a "quantum healer". Astonishingly, people would actually part with $2,000 or more, to do those courses and then believe all the jargon they were told. The jargon would consist of words and phrases that were pretty difficult to understand but of course nobody would question it because they didn't want to look stupid. It's my belief that the "teachers" didn't understand it either. I've questioned them at times as to the meaning of what they are saying, and I am met with word salad because they can't explain it. So you now had people teaching others who were maybe earning $20,000 or more just to run a 6 week course for 10 people for example. It certainly made me question the ethics and the morals of this. In my opinion that is fraudulent, but as long as people are believing it's true, then how can you stop them participating?
Being able to handle life’s inevitable stressors is so important. One can be physically healthy and have an emotional stressor that wrecks physical health and vice versa. We need a multi-pronged approach for healing and getting back to homeostasis. Respect to both!
As an actual physician and not just an armchair one, I frequently see patient outcomes that are very different from what medical statistics predicted .. there are studies that cancer patients that exhibit optimism have better outcomes than patients who have given up the fight ( better outcomes doesn't mean cure , it could be just a couple months of extra life in an otherwise terminal disease). There is no doubt that our immune systems are influenced by psychological factors.
@@DanielDunne1 Rozanski A, Bavishi C, Kubzansky LD, Cohen R. Association of optimism with cardiovascular events and all-cause mortality: a systematic review and meta-analysis. JAMA Netw Open. 2019;2(9):e1912200. doi:10.1001/jamanetworkopen.2019.12200
Man all my life I’ve watched one guru after another come and go. They write books, do lecture tours, get rich and then a new one replaces them. If you study the subject it goes back to at least the turn of the 20th century. You can literally go to a library and find dozens of them. Deepak Chopra is the latest in a long line.
@@shecklesmack9563he certainly is For all science is pseudoscience And All men are gurus As One thing may be verified, not many Deepak’s perspective should naturally challenge your ego
@@kafiruddinmulhiddeen2386 the white mans religon.oh dear .how did you write that? using a computer and the internet? try to send the message again using eastern mystical quantum concious mumbo jumbo and see if it works.science doesn't care where your born or the colour of your skin. maths is maths.
Deepak says his approach with patients is to use conventional medicine PLUS delve into the details of their lives. Fair enough. Doctors do that anyway. Mine told me I would not survive in my pressurised work environment. I got out of it. I am still here. (Typing this.) I didn't need a shelf of Deepak's books to figure it out. I was however lucky that I was ABLE to get out from under the pressure. Not everyone has that opportunity. For many, life is still brutal and short.
A lot of his beliefs about the interconnection of nature and biology and thought are relevant and well founded. He also argues successfully that the modern approach can create outcomes unforeseen. This is known as the malaise of modernity to philosophers. In medicine, it is iatrogenesis as he says. For the supernatural and quantum stuff, yeah it’s bs. But he is saying what he believes not what he is saying is the truth. Just his beliefs. Prognosis comments at the end are wise and intelligent. Give the patient some hope even if they are likely to die, it actually will give them a better chance to live in all reasonable counts. Caring for someone’s emotions while they are sick will only help them improve. Strangely enough, I have more respect for him after this video not less. I expected far worse from deepak chopra haha
Placebo effect; the nosebo effect; people die on Monday mornings statistically; they survive over the holidays; friendships, family, work satisfaction, relationships in general factor into health outcomes; patients with identical treatments and history have different outcomes; fear, hope, expectation, anticipation, attitude, stress response all play a complex role. He didn’t even mention adverse childhood experiences (ACE’s) studies on health outcomes, gene expression in epidemics. He shouldn’t need to. This interrogation (interview) is faring much better for Chopra than it is for Dawkins since it premiered over 10 years ago. Bookmark it and play it again in another 10 years. My future testable prediction is it will play even better for Chopra.
posting this old video is really odd, it appears he approached Chopra unexpectedly and had a cameraman with him as though he was going to catch Chopra off guard. Clearly Chopra doesn’t appreciate this kind of disrespect where he is standing with Richard towering over him during this interrogation. By the title of this, it appears Richard is attempting to benefit by ridiculing individuals that he can’t comprehend and when one’s mind believes if you can’t see it it doesn’t exist, life must be pretty dull. This was highly edited video, wonder what else Chopra said that Richard doesn’t want to share
Are the quantum-chakras cleaning out your brain cancer 🤡🤡🤡? why dont you teach us the innovative science that you idol deepak has scammed you into believing? go on we are waiting... im sure its going to revolutionize tiktok .@@MrFireman164
Hmm, at 4 min I hear a bunch of words in a sequence that sound very much like sentences but do not add up in my brain in any coherent way. I suppose I’d better rule out me having a stroke…going to check BP…
@OrmondOtvos it seems as ppl age, they reach for to regain youth in any way they can. Modern science and medicine cannot, but holistic meds can do anything Lol
When I listen to people talking on youtube in a quiet place, I can often spot patterns in their speech. Deepak is a master of language and one of his tactics is projection. Obviously he deliberately uses language at a different level to everyday use that anyone would understand to get his stuff across. I don't know him that well, but, as a commenter says, anything that can be said, can be said clearly and in everday language.He is a master at answering questions, using the questioners logic against him. I'd have to watch him more to spot more. I enjoyed Richard quickly acknowledging some of the things we all know but Deepak had dressed up, and batting them out of the way so he could dig deeper. This was Deepak's point but he spots Richard's motivation to dig deeper and pretends there is another point to what he is saying, so the deeper anyone tries to dig with him, the deeper down a rabbit hole they go. Jordan Petersen may sound like Deepak on the surface, but has different motives.
This is merely one example of human consciousness affecting matter: Numerous tests of people praying for specific plants -- all from the same seeds -- to thrive over those without human intent and "prayer" have validated with statistically significant results that "prayer" works. Quantum mechanics teaches that scientific test results change from human observation. Quantum healing sounds like an appropriate term to me.
Some people must find Depak comforting to listen to. When I listen to him prattle on and on and on, not saying anything meaningful, I want to slap him into silence too.
As a British person of Indian heritage, this makes me proud. Proud that Deepak Chopra is so full of krap that he can stand in front of the camera and talk relentless nonsense. God bless all that is Indian!
@@zarbins I'm surprised how restrained Dawkins was in holding back from the many outrageous and unsupported statements from Deepak. Someone else, like Christopher Hitchens (RIP), would not demonstrated nearly as much restraint with Deepak's stupid comments...
@@garymaclean6903 What one or two statements did you find to be the most outrageous and unsupported? Do you keep abreast of modern research in clinical psychology, neuroscience, philosophy of the mind, theory of consciousness, and implications of belief systems?
@@zarbins How about: - "The Quantum Theory is only a Metaphor for how a thought is an indivisible unit of consciousness"... Or: - "There are certain physicists who believe a Quantum Leap is a discontinuity, and creativity and consciousness is also an example of discontinuity." Or: - Healing may be a biological phenomenon that relies on biological creativity." "It may be a discontinuous phenomenon; something that's unpredictable." "It may be something that happens in the proliferation of uncertainty." Or: - Quantum Physics is unexplainable in the absence of consciousness." Or: - "I think reality is both objective and subjective." "Our own subjectivity is also a pattern of behaviour." All this crap in the first 5 minutes. The rest is more of the same...
I have manifested certain health issues due to fear of it, because I was enmeshed with someone who already was suffering. Mind and consciousness are integral to your perception of life and the vessel you inhabit. I don't see why you think perception doesn't change reality? A good chunk of it is subjective@@garymaclean6903 "Quantum Physics is unexplainable in the absence of consciousness." It makes sense given how science is still in the unknown about. Spirituality is the science of the old world
Do you realize that if Oprah Wimfrey married Deepak Chopra she'd be Oprah Chopra.
😂
Tbh, she does strike me as Oprah Choprah nonetheless. 😇
You, sir, are a fucking genius
Reckon she’s missed a trick there!
Beautiful comment
All I can think is why didn't they go and sit down somewhere. That's the level of my intelligence.
I was thinking the same
mind boggling
No, that wouldn't work. Richard Dawkins wanted to give a chance to Deepak to run for his life if he needed to.
@@kvsurdas instead it was Dawkins who had to run. 🤣
😂
He means laughter is the best medicine!
humana., humana’ humana…😂😂😂
So, he does have a use! Cause I’m laughing at him.
@@davecarson3Dno you're quantum healing
FOR SURE!.....laughter has a TON of good science behind it, btw......as close to magic as it gets at the same time!......
@@drSamovar it can’t hurt, but I’ll take actual medicine thank you.
This kind of conversation can lead us to better understanding. I appreciate both for patience and respect and tolerance. That’s what we need.
Thats because you cant distinguish science from philosophical nonsense, really just underlines your scientific ignorance.
@@cheapbruh9778 If you're going to jump to that many conclusions, you are about as scientific as Deepak.
"If you're going to jump to that many conclusions" haha@@kennycube5126
How does pseudoscience "lead us to better understanding"?
It doesn't, it just wastes a lot of time and money.
Respect and tolerance. One tolerates another's bullshit.
Deepak, I love this interview, so much respect for all that you share. Needless to say your perspective is feared because if you’re right then they are wrong. And I might be wrong, but geez I can’t wait to see them catch up ✨
Dawkins face when Deepak said physicist hijacked the word quantum is hilarious
Jaw-dropping arrogance by Chopra.
He does project quite a lot.
@@etaylor8028 10:14 I’m sorry, but that’s not accurate. He’s replying to Richard’s question about the term “quantum healing”.
@@martinmills135 ah right fair enough.
@@etaylor8028 👍
What a heartwarming video two coherent, polite gentlemen having an intelligent conversation about a subject that intrigues them both.
Wow. Just wow.
I wouldn't say deepak was in any way coherent
Sorry I find Dawkins condescending
Thats because you cant distinguish science from philosophical nonsense, really just underlines your scientific ignorance.
@@cheapbruh9778 ooooooooh
Perfectly civil conversation, the disagreements notwithstanding. We need more of these!
Who gives a fuck about civil discourse with quacks
ie Richard Dawkins showing Herculean self restrain from not guffawing
What's civil about scamming?
Thanks!
What I see is a mature discussion between two interesting people, unlike the comment section that is centered on rooting for the spokesperson of the preferred position and ridiculing the other without articulating the contents in the slightest. What a shame
I hear you, but you need to delve deeper. Or come back to this in a few years. Really. You will understand why these comments.
I agree. An interesting discussion.
Excellent observation and one moment of hope hear hear!
@@marcosbrocvallsawesome consideration
I was inclined to see alessio insightful and wise
The enmity is unnecessary
The observed conversation was quite intelligent and probing without personal attacks etc
Like Cronkite and Moyer
Chopra stepped on the other dude incessantly. He couldn’t get his points across and Chora also belittled dude implying with every response that if one disagreed w his position it was simply because they didn’t understand. You are correct sir. I do not understand mumbo jumbo
I can agree with Deepak Chopra that stress is bad for your health. He took a very long time using a complicated explanation to essentially say that.
Bad health causes stress too. So he's mixed up everywhere
This is common knowledge among real scientists and doctors. What he is doing is that he is interweaving real data with bullshit, so as to make bullshit sound convincing.
@@davecarson3DOh boy!
@@davecarson3D
No he's turning it into Quacktum leaping.
I thought he was pretty clear in what he was saying. I don't know how it could be more clear and concise to someone than what he said 🤷♂
Deepak almost sounded humble and, dare I say, sensible, at first when his use of "quantum" was just a metaphor... But when Richard pressed just a little bit more, the woo-woo train left the station at full speed.
That's funny, I am 3 mins in and thinking - everything he has said so far sounds pretty reasonable...scroll down and read this comment...ah, I see the crazy is yet to come.
Your comment sums up his words in every detail 😂
;D
Reality is way more than Chopra even comes close to describing in this video. Way more. You'll see it when you believe it.
right about 10:25 lol
I am in the camp of science because it explains SO much about our universe, but I have had an experience that seems to align better with Chopra.
I realized I could not control my digestion, that worrying about the duration of the discomfort, the cause of it, the severity of it, better strategies, was not solving anything. I decided to flush all that and decided on only 2 physical things - i would chew my food extremely well and eat smaller volumes. If I did have discomfort, I would wait it out.
// A weight was lifted off me. Everything changed. Yes I had discomfort but it didn't last very long, not as before, sometimes 4 days of misery and worry. I said, I have to let my body act however it has to and I'll distract myself with The Selfish Gene if need be during those periods. It changed my life. I cannot prove nor do I care if it is only a temporal effect. All I know is I no longer worry about it and it has settled down to something quite manageable.
"Everything that can be said can be said clearly."
Wittgenstein
Yes and what he didn't say was "all one needs is an intelligent listener".
I dont think you understand what Wittgenstein meant by that. (Hint: it has to do with the ineffability of God)
@@rustyb4nana I think he means by that, that since all propositions of logic are tautologies and all (true) empircial propositions share and show the logical structure of the world and can therefore be expressed in the schema "aRb", everything that can be said can therefore be said quite clearly -> aRb.
Everything that isn't expressable in this way isn't expressable at all, and me therefore must not try do speak about it, since it is per Definition not possible.
To say that God is ineffable is already trying to say something that would only be sayable if it was an emprirical proposition (which it is obviously not).
Chopra is trying to translate from Saṁskṛtam to English, but the concepts don't exist in English. Dawkins can't understand his own ignorance in this situation.
@@VigiliusHaufniensisIn the system of the Tractatus, speaking of the religiously ineffable is categorically identical to what you have just done - speaking of the essential nature of language. You have contradicted yourself by trying to *say* that Wittgenstein meant to do in demarcating sense from nonsense, for as Russell said in his introduction, everything having to do with the expressibility of language is necessarily inexpressible within language.
Wittgenstein’s point was clearly not simply to define the limit between sense and nonsense and urge us to stay on the ‘sensible’ side of it - for his book contradicts that very advice.
Instead, the Tractatus acknowledges that we cannot *but* confront the limits of language - we *must* transcend the bounds of sense. Wittgenstein spells this out further in his ‘Lecture on Ethics’. The situation resembles that of the apophatic theologian: God is ineffable, but it is part of our human condition that we must contradict ourselves in trying to express our inexpressible awareness of the transcendent.
Nothing can ever 'win', except the truth. And when the truth hurts, don't lie to yourself.
and Science offers the best approximation to the truth
@@sebastiaanfraikin9481objective truth which is what he mentioned !
@@sebastiaanfraikin9481 What science? The Lancet, Pfizer ?
But actually no one knows the truth.No science,no religion and no philosophy could offer the truth at all.
@@AnalysisLegend Sure, if at certain levels it is possible to know the relative truth. About the Truth as the Absolute, as the Totality, surely no human being could grasp it....
Dr. Dawkins thank you for your work. I really like your way of thinking, no mumbo jumbo, just simple words to explain and understand things. I really love the clarity, you are an inspiration!
Cameraman should get a raise
Idk it made me feel like I was watching an action film and I was waiting for Dawkins to throw a haymaker
Yes... I'd be shaking with laughter... great work keeping the camera on track.
I've got a spare wooden milking stool I'd be happy to donate to the cameraman.
Or maybe he should loan a second camera instead of doing a full Michael Bay at every single question-answer
When somebody that is not a PHD scientist says 'quantum' and then anything after that, there's a 95% chance they have no clue what they're talking about and are probably trying to sell you some nonsense.
When ANYBODY mentions the word "quantum" there's a 99% chance they are talking about dishwasher tablets!
Quantum Leap!
As a physicist, I'd up that to a 99,99%. Even many people doing physics don't have a good grasp or understanding of quantum mechanics. It is very counterintuitive, cannot be related to everyday phenomena and parts of it are evident only through quite abstract mathematics.
I agree.
My brother is a space rocket related physicist.
I try to avoid opening any science related books around him😂
I get drilled and mined and dug up. So I put cartoons😂😂
You realise he is actually a qualified medical doctor? Are you stupid?
Assumptions present in materialist worldview that are purley metaphycial with no scientific backing:
1. Reality consists solely of what can be measured and observed, neglecting the possibility of non-physical entities or dimensions.
2. The universe and everything in it can be fully understood through its fundamental physical laws.
3. All events, including human thoughts and actions, are the result of preceding events in accordance with the laws of physics.
4. The universe originated from a singular, infinitely dense point, and its creation and expansion can be entirely explained through physical laws.
5. Objective, empirical observation is the only valid method for acquiring knowledge about the universe.
6. The quantum world can be entirely understood through physical laws, without invoking any special role for consciousness or observer effects beyond the physical.
To me he sounded absolutely articulate,eloquent and someone with profoundly reasonable logic.
He might have SOUNDED like that, but he's talking nonsense.
@@nikkideanmusicyet here we are showing more and more that the attitude of a subject can influence their immune system as well as control stress and other mitigating variables that lead to increased overall health. Not nonsense, you just have to seperate the wheat from the chaff.
@@Sushilala33 Which has been known for generations and has NOTHING to do with anything "Quantum".
Deepak Chopra is a fraud and snake oil salesman. It's a simple as that.
Can u exactly counter the points u found as non sense. This blind adherence to science is also superstitious in a way@@nikkideanmusic
@@blobofconsciousness There is no such thing as a "blind adherence to science" becasue the very nature of the scientific process requires the scientist change their mind when confronted with evidence that contradicts their hypothesis. So no, the opposite of superstitious.
Didnt Oprah introduce the world to this man? As well as Dr.Oz and Dr.Phil. What a track record
She has an eye for fraudsters who can make themselves and her LOTS of money.
Sort of answers itself doesn’t it. Works for Weight Watchers, takes Ozempic. Everybody knows Oprah loves to eat. Nothing wrong with that but she has a long track record of saying one thing and doing another.
Eckhart Tolle... at least he had the decency to fade back to University lectures and not disturb us again
Don't forget "The Secret".
YOU get a grift, and YOU get a grift, and EVERYBODY gets a grift!
The caption should read, " Deepak Chopra Calmly Answers Richard For 20 Minutes Straight" !
Yes it's fair to say Deepak is more on the pressured side and doing pretty well overall.
I don't have issues with this interview and think either of them come off badly.
Thats because you cant distinguish science from philosophical nonsense, really just underlines your scientific ignorance.@@philwalkercuriousmind
Totally agree! I would flip out if I face this entitled and haughty ass of a person!
@cheapbruh9778 science changes with time. Applied science increases with fundamental knowledge. Just to say that there is a relationship between gut health and brain function would have been laughed at by science a decade ago. So, before you negate the ability of mind to heal, you need to be sure of it. As a scientist, you can't be a believer and a non-believer without proper research.
@@cheapbruh9778 Sure, you cant distinguish science from "philosophical nonsense" since you are probably a reductionist like Dawkins. The very fact that the mind is part of the organism completely eludes you. The simple reason being that reductionists can't put it under a microscope and view it. Hence every thing to do with the mind is "philosophical nonsense"!
Such a nice, respectful and insightful conversation! ❤️ just what I needed after a long day and a bit shame it didn't last longer. Cheers!
I think in this particular snippet of the discussion, Dr. Chopra actual made a lot of good point that even Dr. Dawkins acknowledge. It was not a slam dunk. All in all he might still be wack but in this discussion he raised some good points.
Do you get off on seeing slam dunks
Yeah, I agree with you. I was very surprised by how much sense Dr Chopra seemed to make.
I was also surprised that he said straight away that he uses the word quantum merely as a metaphor. I suppose 60 years ago he may have used the word atomic in the same way.
You said He made good points that were acknowledged by the other doctor but still you chose to be disrespectful and call him wack???😳 smh
@@septleaves8521 I've listened to him in other discussions.. He does sometimes smuggle in a god of the gaps in his discussions. That's what I mean by all in all.
Thx
Dawkins offers an example of how to have a pointless conversation with no intention of trying to understand another perspective.
Exactly
why do u see it as a pointless debate and conversation?
A conversation held in a very polite and respectful manner that didn´t go nowhere. Anyhow I enjoyed listening to Deepak´s answers.
Talking-chess-game 🤭
Exactly his aim was to discredit him, which he surprisingly tackled well and now might have given a food for thought to few listeners@@kikisantogatto
You did not listen.
Deepak knows the best physicists.
Sounds like a politician I've heard of.
It's useful when you talk about quantum physics.
And uses all the best words in his salad!
That was an exercise in Quantum Word Salad.
I agree, quantumly.
He should write a book called Quantum Bullshit.
Better with a bit of blue cheese dressing
If you don’t understand or agree with something, that means it’s “word salad”?
@@chiragmatta3480 Feel free to explain his long, meaningless, points were. He just speaks without communicating anything useful. Would be helpful to have a translation.
The Best argument for all conspiracy theories and religions is “We don't know this, we don't know that, we can't explain this and that, so I know everything and I am right. “
Appeal to ignorance is also known as argument from ignorance, in which ignorance represents “a lack of contrary evidence” and becomes “a fallacy in informal logic.” It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven as false. This is the consequence of lack of knowledge and insufficient information to prove the proposition to be either true or false.
The best argument of science is also that scientific methods are the only way to reach the truth and scientists switch around vaguely among different hypotheses and settle on a Theory and reject that after some days or centuries. Religions sustain on intuitive philosophies and convictions on certain intuitive hypotheses , science also stands on bunch of hypotheses . All are groping in the darkness of vast ocean. There are many questions which science can not answer , religions answers on intuitive and philosophical perspectives .
hence Elon musk the other day, when he said it is correct that they do not have a vote then followed up by the great placement theory that hasn't been proved anywhere.
@@md.noorulkarim5542 Scientists DO NOT "switch around vaguely among different hypotheses and settle on a Theory and reject that after some days or centuries". Anyone who says this has no clue about what the Scientific Method is, and how scientists evaluate the evidence and data to come to conclusions of WHAT MOST LIKELY explains what was observed. There's no 'switch(ing) around vaguely' unless it's a politician trying to distort the reality of the evidence to support his views. (Yes, politicians are renown for this, but scientists aren't!) Now that doesn't mean scientists stop learning about what they're studying, or may even not all agree on how the evidence is best interpreted.
Take for example the Paleontological Study of when humans moved into the Americas. Previous evidence indicated that occurred during or just after the last Ice Age, about 13,000 years ago, and it was based on ocean levels being low, causing the land bridge between Asia and Alaska. Also, there wasn't significant evidence found of inhabitants arriving before then. Recent discoveries in Alaska, Mexico, and White Sands New Mexico have found human footprints and artifacts in several layers of sediment that have been Carbon-Dated back as far as over 23,000-years. These footprints have been discovered in the same layers as several pre-Ice-age animals, which also supports their findings of the age of the human footprints. Such findings have caused paleontologists to re-assess their previous theories about both when and how North America was first inhabited by humans.
That's exactly how science works! Existing evidence is used to form theories BASED ON THAT EVIDENCE! (Not on 'switch(ing) around vaguely'!) When New EVIDENCE is discovered that better explains our understanding, then our theories are revised to reflect that new knowledge. IN ALL CASES it is actual evidence that is the basis that backs both our knowledge and our theories that explain our discoveries. That's how science works.
@@md.noorulkarim5542 wrong. No body argues that the scientific method is the only way to reach truth. It’s just a matter of fact it does consistently provide a method to unbiasedly evaluate data accurately. Resulting in reasonable logical conclusions about said data.
Religion on the other hand isn’t a philosophical demonstration in any sense. That’s why it’s called theology and not philosophy. Logic and reason are types of philosophy and epistemological tools for conscious thinking . “Intuitive philosophy” means absolutely nothing, what you mean to say is “faith based thinking ” which absolutely flies in the face of epistemological tools like logic and reasoning. Which is demonstrated by it’s dogmatic approach to thinking.
I don’t think Chopra said anything particularly outrageous or silly in this entire interview.
I agree. I'm not a fan of Deepak Chopra, but in this interview he was sensible. I was surprised. Just like Chopra, I believe there is more to us than meets the scientific eye. Just because science doesn't have proof or evidence that something exists, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It only means it hasn't been discovered yet.
Does that mean you actually agree with him?
@@BitsySkittlesPryss No... What you are saying is because 'it hasn't been discovered yet', then it exists, which is where you've erred.
Because something has not been discovered can only mean it may, or may not exist. Not that is is yet to be discovered...
You're thinking like Deepak, which is why so many disagree with his flawed reasoning...
@@garymaclean6903 Yes, you're right. I should have left off the last sentence of my reply. But I do stand by what I said just previous to the final sentence. Just because science has not discovered that something exists, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Argument from ignorance, that's a logical fallacy @@BitsySkittlesPryss
I once worked on an exhibit development project for a large and famous science museum in Chicago. One person on the team tried to convince the rest of us that Deepak Chopra would be a great consultant. This is a SCIENCE museum, we said. “He’s a famous scientist,” she replied, as well as, and this is a direct quote, “probably the best in the world.”
That was a painful project.
The irony is, Chopra gets astrology and many esoteric realities. Dawkins cannot understand astrology, yet it is one of the most profoundly significant subjects one can imagine.
wtf does astrology have to do with healing cancer@@newtonbelieved
@@newtonbelieved I will be generous and conclude that your claim of astrology being profoundly significant was a joke, because if you were serious, it would mean you are utterly clueless.
@@newtonbelievedThe only reality related to astrology is that there are people who believe in that ancient ignorance.
Yeah, with your intellectually egoistic, western view of science
Excellent DC !
Deepak was so calm and eloquent. Never got incited and answers to the best of his abilities. Whether people take it or leave it is up to them!
He seemed nervous
I thought the same. He seemed like he was taking his oral exams.🤓
Would need to be a super human not to be nervous with Dawkins questioning. He really did stand his ground though.
@@yogaboga223 By spouting a lot of made up gibberish?
He's a snake oil salesman. A good one, I grant you, but that's all he is.
@@nikkideanmusicI am not sure I can agree based on this video! I am a pure believer in science but he does make some valid points.
Ahhh, Deepak Chopra, the true master of the word salad discipline.
The cosmos experiences an abundance of belonging for knowledge to unfold through in innumerable happiness. It is love that drives positive miracles
where Imagination arises and subsides in ephemeral self-knowledge. - Deepak Chopra quote generator
Similiar to jordon peterson
Your western ego mind can’t accept it
He's giving Jordan Peterson a run for his money for the word salad king...
Really? seemed pretty clear I thought. To take issue with a purely mechanistic and statistical account of medical problems in favour of accommodating subjectivity and the psychology (history, intentional states etc) of a person/patient (re both diagnosis, prognosis and treatment) is hardly controversial ... is it? And Deepak got his point across quite eloquently ... I thought. Having said this, I know nothing of Deepak; was he was playing things down a bit for the interview? And admittedly, even if it is a metaphor, to actually include the term 'quantum' it in the title of your approach (was it 'quantum therapy'...?) seems a bit ... well ...silly.
People don’t realise Deepak spent decades as an oncologist - he has worked in the Medical system. His observations came out of his work in the field. Medical science is a MIRACLE of modern life but it only tells half the story. My friend was sent home to die from stage 4 prostate cancer and used diet exercise and meditation to cure himself - now he is working closely with oncologisits in the UK who want to understand how he did it. Medical science and healing clearly are not the same thing - thats just logical. So lets be open to explore what accelerates healing.
I'm happy for your friend, and I hope that they have a long and happy life, but keep in mind that there's no conflict between your friend overcoming sickness and scientific investigation. Dawkins asks right there in the conversation for the verification of Chopra's claims through a double blind experiment, but he slips out of any compromising claims because... Who the hell knows. If your friend's method of overcoming sickness is replicable following a set of concrete steps, there should be evidence of its effectiveness through double a blind experiment, plain and simple. Scientific progress is not against holistic medicine, but it weeds out unsupported and unsubstantiated claims and Chopra's didn't offer anything in this interview to back up his claims except for a constant strawmanning of medical science.
Endocrinologist, not oncologist
How did he know it was the diet, exercise or meditation that cured him? Maybe he had a prayer circle asking for blessings from the good lord for him? 😂
The dialectic is strong in Chopra - I never noticed that before - astonishing. Excellent review.
Doctors use obscure language that patients don't understand, says Deepak. Well, that's not my experience. As a long-term patient I go to consultants with a prioritised hit-list of key questions to ask, arising from what ails me, and I make notes of their responses.
My experience is that hospital consultants are delighted to explain things to patients, in fact delight in the dialogues they have with their patients, to the extent that, during Covid, when many appointments were done by telephone, doctors were losing out on one of the joys of their profession, mourning the loss of face-to-face interactions.
Patients appreciate such interactions too, so the positive feedback which Deepak implies does not occur in conventional medicine is in fact there, and always has been, limited only by the fact that doctors are often overwhelmingly busy, and have to be careful with the use of their time.
This video was from a long time ago. Maybe doctors back then were different to doctors now or the average patient is also now better informed and capable of understanding.
@@TheomatikalliA long time ago? You think this interview is from 200 years ago?
@@theoldman2821it could be from 30 yrs or more ago.
There is two sorts of people on this planet: those that know how powerful they are as healers/self healers and those that dont and rely on allopathic pharmaceutical interventions. The latter hate the idea of a holistic approach.
There are way more than two types of people in this world.
Not bad. The entire exchange is interesting. The interviewer is trying to (calmly) incite the interviewee...using words like 'mumbo jumbo' to describe things he doesn't know or finds difficult to understand is insensitive. Deepak Chopra on his part is trying his best to give clarity on the topic of discussion but his rebuttals could have been stronger. Wisdom traditions exist, are believed and have seen powerful results. No doubt. Anyway, one can take sides based on their worldview and belief systems. Deepak certainly seems calm in the face of scepticism.
thats not even scepticsm. that's just an ego the size of a jumbo jet and Dick being one.
Exactly the questions were asked to scoff at DC. He was trying to be educational. Again believers will believe No matter what
Deepak answered these questions so eloquently.🌟
This video should re titled "Deepak Chopra calmy answers Richard Dawkins for 20 minutes".
Or even better- Deepak Chopra makes up rubbish to fool stupid people into thinking that he sounds knowledgeable.
Ah, I see, it’s a fan club! Is there some kind of a tee shirt or a mug with Mr Dawkins face on it, available for purchase?
Actually, there's a meme coin. Not his fault though! Did it appear by some kind of quantum effect? No, it's brought by God! God is a crypto degen!
The part I do believe is when he said when I doctor says you have six months to live, you believe you have six months and then die in six months, I've seen that. And also seen people refusing the prognosis and living for years later, so there is truth in your mind having some influence over the body
Anecdotes aren't science..
Deepak was a very worthy guest who made some very good, coherent points. He hardly sounded like a charlatan. This was an excellent, thought-provoking discussion
that's what made him the best charlatan
I hope both your brain cells enjoyed it
To be fair, Chopra makes far more sense than he used to. I can't tell if he's changed, or I have. Probably both.
Interesting reflection and fair .
Thats because you cant distinguish science from philosophical nonsense, really just underlines your scientific ignorance.
@@cheapbruh9778 Philosophy is mother of science.
You cant do science without philosophy. Science ( modern, natural science ) is themself based on theology.
Scientism is also philosophy. Your entire comment is absurd. You want glorify science not knowing what is science, not knowing roots of science . Crazy people... :))))
@@cheapbruh9778 Hmm, I choose to view your comment as irony, as you cannot possibly claim to know anything about the scientific insights of the person you're commenting to. And this forum is too narrow-banded for any of us to actually understand each other. I humbly propose humility in comments. To me Chopra defends his standpoint clearly, by the way.
@@62Baltus Of course I can. Chopra made several nonsensical statements, that has nothing to do with science. If I said 1+1 is 66 and someone then commented... wow you are really starting to make far more sense than before... that could only mean one of two things.
1. Him and you are clueless about the topic or 2. You are joking. Take your pick.
Here's the thing guys - Both of these individuals are high IQ, extremely intelligent, and have a passion for their vocations. I'm a fan of both, and listening to their thoughts and ideas only enriches my outlook towards life ! 😊
Well, you’re half right.
Deepak is a 🤡
Agree .
Being half right is good... but if you are half right and half wrong... mmmm. There is a quantum annihilation of both!
I appreciate Dawkins, but anyone who watches his debates and discussions has to admit he is very inflexible at times and down right intolerant. I'm afraid I have seen him behave as if he is trying to be the poster boy for dogma at times. To me, despite his obvious intelligence, he could definitely be a better scientific thinker. Still a fan though!
@@oggyoggy1299 research what some leading physicists/biologists/neurologists are talking about these days before you call his ideas foolish. People are very interested in these concepts and for very good reason.
Deepak is being here the very voice of reason. Thank you .
Agreed
I didn't find anything beyond reason in the arguments from Deepak Chopra.
Really? He said: “discontinuity may be consciousness itself” while discontinuity is a specific term from quantum physics.
@@michelstronguin6974 Is it possible he is citing people like Bernardo Kastrup who agree with him?
Well he's talking shite and it's a shame you're too naive to notice.
(Since I am unable to submit a comment in reply to Michel, I will do so here:
1. Jeff does not provide definitive proof of what consciousness is.
2. Numenta is the company he founded - not a thesis, nor journal "in" which he worked.
3. There is a grammatical difference between a modal verb expressing a conditional: "Consciousness may be...etc.," and an auxiliary verb expressing an assertion: "Consciousness is...etc." Hope this helps.)
Yes, nothing beyond reason here. In fact, I would go farther and say Dawkins exhibits an arrogance here, and took this opportunity for granted by not reviewing Chopra's theory or material before having this discussion.
Chopra speaks about the importance of memes & building upon cultural wisdom, and the Physicist fundamentalists that believe (dogmatism) the physical phenomena of physics is exclusive to the field when consciousness is an object of physical reality like anything else - but excluded as an object of observation. That provides the pretext to a) the language of the theory and b) his wholistic approach to medicine.
Within Chopra's theory of Quantum Healing, he makes an inference, which is a logically valid inference: Scientists observe that electrons spontaneously transition between energy levels [quantum leap, an example of discontinuity] without explanation, creativity also transitions between psychical phenomena (mood, memory & sensory perception) without explanation. There is no conscious effort on the part of the mind required to facilitate the mechanism of creativity, nor an apparent physical mechanism for electrons, they just happen. Following this, Healing, as it incorporates psychical phenomena (mood, memory & s. p.) alongside physiology *may be* a phenomenon that relies on discontinuity. @@michelstronguin6974
It's quite ironic to call someone naïve when you describe a proposed scientific theory as "shite" when there are more dubious theories in fields like evolution and cosmology. Chopra is laying the epistemological groundwork for others to verify/refute through scientific study and analysis, although he also poses that a transition in scientific paradigm would likely be required in the first place to even begin these experiments. But again, none of this is particularly new: science as we know of it today has transitioned between several scientific paradigms since its inception in the 1800s. What also isn't new, I suppose, is the dogmatism with which scientists and the religious alike express in favor of their preferred scientists, or theory. @@MrJ2theC
There's a historic feud between science and spirituality but we need both!
I don't need spirituality.
No one really does.
Come to terms with the fact that you're going to die and "spirituality' has no other purpose.
It seems, based on the comments, that the conversation is both alive and dead at the same time, which would make the interview itself a quantum phenomenon.
But it must choose when observed according to the Q thingy .
It's a little more dead than alive though...
As a heterodox rationalist that I am, i find most of Mr. Chopra's arguments solid and frankly well structured. What a wonderful conversation, with respect and genuine interest on both sides. Thank you, Mr. Chopra and Mr. Dawkins
What is a heterodox rationalist?
@@FranciscoMartinolichOfficial Someone who is generally distrustful of concepts like spirituality or quantum healing, for example.
@@pedrohernandomenchaca5355 Have you created that concept? Where did you get it from? Because I couldn't get a grasp of it by googling it.
@@FranciscoMartinolichOfficial To me it means openminded. Like the opposite of orthodox.
@@62Baltus I really meant "orthodox". English is not my natural language, and sometimes I make mistakes. Sorry.
Many decades ago, my aunty was diagnosed with Leukaemia. She couldn't have taken the diagnosis any worse...it sent her into an anxiety-ridden plunge into the darkest depths of fear and depression. She was absolutely convinced she was going to die, and even attempted suicide (unsuccessfully). Anyway, she went through a course of conventional Western medicine treatments, all the while with the most negative attitude imaginable. The Leukaemia was successfully treated, and 40 years later she is still alive. So, Chopra is absolutely right when he talks about the healing power of negative thinking.
Dawkins is not disputing that at all, science recognises it as the nocebo effect. What he's disputing is the term "quantum healing". The mechanism can be easily explained and observed, a patient in a stressed out state is in a state of fight/flight and utilising the sympathetic nervous system, in this state the body prioritises immediate survival over healing. Chopra wants to obscure this under mumbo jumbo like "quantum healing" and sells many books and courses, getting rich off the backs of desperate people. He is the "high priest" so to speak, and completely unethical.
@huss03 Don't you mean the healing power of positive thinking?
I know you think you made some kinda point but the power of positive thinking is a well documented phenomenon. That doesn't mean everyone who thinks positively NEVER has negative outcomes nor does it mean a pessimist can never have positive outcomes. Your mind isn't the only factor to consider but it does have an impact on the physical body.
@@BlueYellowGreenVc I've NEVER said " everyone who thinks positively NEVER has negative outcomes", nor did I say "a pessimist can never have positive outcomes". I know you think you made some kinda point, but putting words in my mouth that I never said, then trying to hang me for them, only reflects back on you...
I certainly know a person's mental outlook can potentially affect their medical outcomes.
Your point is what? Like saying you knew a heavy smoker who never got lung cancer.
There is no knowing outside of experience. If you realize that you do not understand the other person, you do not have to try. Time is one of the biggest problems; all processes take place in time.
Will there be a follow up conversation?
What he said made complete sense to me.
Same
What's the science?
@@davecarson3D Guess you missed the part where he said he often works along with the person's medical team. I'm not even a fan of Chopra but there's nothing supernatural about most of what he talks about here. The mental state plays a huge rule in how one copes with their health and for many people a sense of spirituality can help as well. Most people are not NOT seeking medical advice. This is just another aspect to how we can heal.
Mr Chopra has very impressive self esteem to be able to talk complete hookey with such confidence.
That's a good description of all conspiracy theorists....among whom I include Chopra.
AKA; narcicissm.
So pervasive nowadays that it's fast becoming the norm.
@@ObservantHistorian Nutjob might be a better title, as conspiracy theorists at least try to be logically consistent
Funny how many people on UA-cam think an ad hominem attack is actually an argument of any form.
@@Retcon__ nobody is mocking Chopra's small schnitzel size. This is about his talented con-man personality.
When I align my anus chakra with my mouth chakra, I gain a cosmological quantum leap of sentience just like Chopra. It's riveting
It works. After 2:42 my perception changed 😂
*Quality* conversation!
Both *Richard & Deepak* showed immense *poise* in questioning/answering despite carrying different convictions at some level when it comes to their worldviews👏👏👏
Will give a little more *credit* to *Deepak* as *answering* such incisive questions on the spot is even more difficult than *questioning* .
I suspect I've seen this conversation a few years ago. The *impression* I somehow had then was that *Deepak* struggled which I find is NOT the case when I see it today🤷
My view as well for long has been that EVERYTHING that happens in the universe has NO randomness associated with it (i.e God does not play dice with the universe). This must ALSO be the scientific view as that is the VERY FOUNDATION & PREMISE on which science itself EXISTS: i.e one could always RELATE events ("happenings" at a "point in time") as Causes & Effects with some pattern behind them whose RULES can be understood by observation & experiments to be summarised as LAWS GOVERNING them that can help PREDICT such future events; which we have also been benefitting immensely from by putting to good use to advance LIFE in the last few centuries!
Now, THAT should naturally lead to the question of WILL HUMANS (or any evolved Beings of intelligence & consciousness) EVER discover that LAW of EVERYTHING (covering the Actions/Karma committed by life that seems to involve some uncertainty, subjectivity & creativity in every individual manifestation of it) that has been the ultimate goal of modern science which has been a work with NO progress yet? And my answer to that is NO for the following SIMPLE logical reason: IF we discover that law, then with that KNOWLEDGE & PREDICTION of what could happen next, we should be able to INFLUENCE & CHANGE the outcome which would violate our starting point that we did discover the LAW of EVERYTHING🤷 In other words, science will NEVER know it ALL as Deepak says AND some uncertainty, subjectivity & creativity behind EVERY Action/Karma of Life will REMAIN the ULTIMATE REALITY.
The ABOVE argument & conclusion should NOT be surprising given that, Richard himself seems to have chosen the name "The POETRY of Reality" for this channel with all his evolved wisdom over the years☺️🙏
I dont doubt for a second that conscious experience can change a person genetic
Not sure why Dawkins posted a video of Chopra schooling him on the subtleties of health and life that the mechanistic approach doesn't take into account. Everything he said made sense
posting this old video is really odd, it appears he approached Chopra unexpectedly and had a cameraman with him as though he was going to catch Chopra off guard. Clearly Chopra doesn’t appreciate this kind of disrespect where he is standing with Richard towering over him during this interrogation. By the title of this, it appears Richard is attempting to benefit by ridiculing individuals that he can’t comprehend and when one’s mind believes if you can’t see it it doesn’t exist, life must be pretty dull. This was highly edited video, wonder what else Chopra said that Richard doesn’t want to share
Thats because you cant distinguish science from philosophical nonsense, really just underlines your scientific ignorance.
Chopra is schooling Dawkins in nothing but how the mind of an intelligent swindler works.
The key phrase for Chopra is "I think" - he uses this disingenuously to avoid being pinned down by objective fact.
Can you riddle me this: "The patient - doctor interaction, the phenomenon of limbic resonance which is the emotional bonding between healer and the one being healed, which is now known to result in homeostasis which is a very important part of the healing process" after the 6 minutes mark? Cheers.
Once you accept as proven that subjectivity accounts for over 30% of patient outcomes (all things being equal), then discounting subjectivity in treatment options is nothing short of negligence.
I have to commend Deepak for engaging with such skeptics. I am not a Chopra fan but arrogance of scientists, despite the projected modesty, is pretty evident to me in how they go about such conversations and bring their biases and dogmas to bear. "Wisdom Traditions" was the key phrase Chopra used which will be nothing but an object of derision by Scientism.
I find it fascinating that some people have a desire to prove others wrong in order to prove themselves right. I have experienced Chopra as quite happy to share his views without proving anything and Dawkins seemingly driven to prove others wrong. Or maybe I am wrong?
Deepak answered every question eloquently. The host thinks he is some sort of an authority on everything lol
And his followers seem to as well 😂
posting this old video is really odd, it appears he approached Chopra unexpectedly and had a cameraman with him as though he was going to catch Chopra off guard. Clearly Chopra doesn’t appreciate this kind of disrespect where he is standing with Richard towering over him during this interrogation. By the title of this, it appears Richard is attempting to benefit by ridiculing individuals that he can’t comprehend and when one’s mind believes if you can’t see it it doesn’t exist, life must be pretty dull. This was highly edited video, wonder what else Chopra said that Richard doesn’t want to share
He can’t help himself. He most definitely needs treatment for his disorder!
Thats because you cant distinguish science from philosophical nonsense, really just underlines your scientific ignorance.
Terence McKenna observed, “Modern science is based on the principle: ‘Give us one free miracle and we’ll explain the rest.’ The one free miracle being the appearance of all the mass and energy in the universe, and all the laws that govern it, in a single instant, from nothing.”
Unfortunately for the quote, it wasn’t from nothing. It was all already there.
@@ryans6186 yes very likely
So Chopra was talking about the Big Bang ???
@@ryans6186, we don't know what was going on before the singularity, if anything, irrespective of what anyone says. Those are the facts.
Who? lol
I was delighted, as a rationalist and admirer of Dawkins, to finally encounter a conversation where he doesn't simply annihilate his opponent. After all, how could anyone object to the notion that consciousness has real physiological outcomes warranting further research (and practice)? Chopra comes across as considerably more eloquent and diplomatic than Dawkins. And if I ever receive a life-threatening diagnosis, I'm trying both conventional and unconventional remedies. Life, whatever the hell it is, is worth leveling my intellectual pride.
When people are desperate and uneducated they will listen to quacks and try their snake oil.
And who cares how eloquent Chopra is? One would expect a snake oil salesman to be eloquent.
Thinking people care more about what is true.
"as a rationalist" you would go to someone like Chopra?
@@candyquahogmarshmallow8257 In conjunction with traditional medicine (that might not be effective), absolutely. Are you implying you wouldn't give a totally innocuous remedy the time of day, one that could potentially save or prolong your life, because it offends your intellectual ego? That sounds pretty irrational to me.
@@hunkydory1620 I may try something that has good preliminary evidence that it’s effective. But no… I would not waste my time, effort and money on things that contradict the laws of physics such as Chopra’s bullshit.
There are literally thousands of quack remedies. Many that will do more harm. You would try any of them out of desperation?
The funny thing is some people do try quack therapies while receiving conventional treatments and when they get better they give credit to the alternative treatment instead of the conventional treatment or the possibility that the body healed itself. Then they tell everyone it was the alternative therapy that saved them. That’s how word of these quack cures is spread.
@@hunkydory1620 no, but I wouldn't give it the time of day because I KNOW it's nonsense and the time I wasted doing that I could be getting actual help. To me, it's irrational to desperately try anything that hasn't been proven in the hope against hope that it would work. If its desperate then time is of the essence which this snake oils salesman would be talking away).
I’m glad I never wasted a penny or second reading Deepak’s books.
The whole reason there is a placebo affect shows you that Deepal Chopra is absolutely studying something important. 100% proven that positive thinking and a certain thinking changes your biology, absolutely, placebo affect already tells us that...
My head hurts 🤕
Maybe you need some quantum healing
@@ThePresident001you sir, win the internet today.
Richard, you do know that at the base of us all, we are made of atoms. Each of us has about a billion, billion, billion atoms, that’s about (10^27) atoms. And the atoms vibrate differently in each of us. Refer to Nikola Tesla: To understand the world, think in terms of energy, frequency, and vibrations. We haven’t a clue where the first self-replicating cell came from, or how space time began, the fundamentals of the cosmological constant, or the nature of consciousness. Do you find it peculiar that the CIA employs clairvoyant workers?
Why, when someone implies anything that you cannot scientifically quantify, you call it hogwash? Isn’t it called a hypotheses? Aren’t hypotheses the very fundamental basis of forwarding science and the nature of reality?
Why also, Richard, do you feel uncomfortable staying at alleged haunted hotels?
This video is a testament to Richard’s mental and physical fortitude. Considering the amount of diarrhea pouring out of Deepak’s mouth. How Richard was able to keep his lunch down astounds me…
There’s another one where he puts up with this absolutely insufferable person named Wendy Wright, I think that one shows off his monumental patience better than this.
Richard is always very polite,respectful and patient as opposed to Sam Harris who has done debates with Deepak and spends the whole time finding different ways of calling him a moron. Sam doesn't suffer fools.
I was thinking the same thing. The man has more tact than a diplomat.
Not is this particular case, yes he is patient in many debates, and people here are generalizing those debated and outcomes and copy pasting the remarks, because they do not understand the gravity of this conversation.
Dawkins would have no serious objections to Dr Deepak, and Dr Deepak was NOT talking about any mumbo jumbo, his facts were spot on and even better contextualized in terms of what is happening in US in the name of healthcase and pharmaceutical
Not long ago emotional health was a mumbo jumbo...and mental illness before that, it is perfectly possible to carry out RCTs keeping conscience or psychological states as one of the counfounders .. and it has been done !!!
Sadly, no one tells common people about how many RCTs faily every month, just how robustly people belonging to control or placebo group behave, even in absence of any treatment!!
The unexplained coufounders in medical studies is overwhelming ! Something has to fill this gap, and we are afraid what it will be.
I have been part of 100s of these RCTs, and it is not good, not worth explaining to people what horrors are being done to common people in the name of "modern" medicine, left the industry some time back..done with devil's advocacy .... i believe we can do much more with science.
We have forgot that one of the main KPIs of science is "exploration" and all we do is arrogant "extrapolation" ... building on what we already know .... sheet arrogance
I've always been on the fence about Chopra. However, listening to this conversation has actually made me feel less on the fence, and more inclined to go along with him. I actually understood a lot of what he was saying. I agree though that the expression "quantum healing" is misleading and I believe it shouldn't be used to describe what was being discussed.
Among spiritual healers a few years ago there was a rise in what they referred to as "quantum healing" . This was said to be a different kind of spritiual healing which reached much more than the average healing session. To make it different, they added certain flourishes. The different "flourishes" they used (sorry but I can't really explain it any other way) such as "flinging their hands at the patient in a sudden movement" or other physical actions, were to convince the patient that they were not simply receiving your average, every day healing, but something extra special. This allowed the healers to give themselves a fancy title, which they earned from getting some sort of diploma. Once they had that diploma, this allowed to them to call themselves teachers and teach others how to be quantum healers. Not surprisingly, this resulted in them earning lots of money because I saw at that time, people charging others in the region of $2,000 or more, to do a course to learn to become a "quantum healer". Astonishingly, people would actually part with $2,000 or more, to do those courses and then believe all the jargon they were told. The jargon would consist of words and phrases that were pretty difficult to understand but of course nobody would question it because they didn't want to look stupid. It's my belief that the "teachers" didn't understand it either. I've questioned them at times as to the meaning of what they are saying, and I am met with word salad because they can't explain it. So you now had people teaching others who were maybe earning $20,000 or more just to run a 6 week course for 10 people for example. It certainly made me question the ethics and the morals of this. In my opinion that is fraudulent, but as long as people are believing it's true, then how can you stop them participating?
Being able to handle life’s inevitable stressors is so important. One can be physically healthy and have an emotional stressor that wrecks physical health and vice versa. We need a multi-pronged approach for healing and getting back to homeostasis. Respect to both!
As an actual physician and not just an armchair one, I frequently see patient outcomes that are very different from what medical statistics predicted .. there are studies that cancer patients that exhibit optimism have better outcomes than patients who have given up the fight ( better outcomes doesn't mean cure , it could be just a couple months of extra life in an otherwise terminal disease). There is no doubt that our immune systems are influenced by psychological factors.
Hear, hear.
What studies?
@@DanielDunne1 Rozanski A, Bavishi C, Kubzansky LD, Cohen R. Association of optimism with cardiovascular events and all-cause mortality: a systematic review and meta-analysis. JAMA Netw Open. 2019;2(9):e1912200. doi:10.1001/jamanetworkopen.2019.12200
Man all my life I’ve watched one guru after another come and go. They write books, do lecture tours, get rich and then a new one replaces them. If you study the subject it goes back to at least the turn of the 20th century. You can literally go to a library and find dozens of them. Deepak Chopra is the latest in a long line.
And Richard is not?
@@jacksonelmore6227he’s not a guru spitting pseudoscience or unverified claims
@@shecklesmack9563he certainly is
For all science is pseudoscience
And All men are gurus
As One thing may be verified, not many
Deepak’s perspective should naturally challenge your ego
@@jacksonelmore6227😂
to be fair, Deepak Chopra isn't the latest by a long shot. I'm pretty sure I heard of this guy 20 years ago.
Mr Chopra comes across as very nervous here
Not at all. He is being questioned. He has no opportunity to poke holes in the white man.
@@kafiruddinmulhiddeen2386he was too busy poking holes in himself
@@Jusvidz I think the holes in scientism (the white mans religion) are glaring. I don’t think Chopra has a religion.
@@kafiruddinmulhiddeen2386 chopra's neurons are quantum confused, and his followers quantum grifted
@@kafiruddinmulhiddeen2386 the white mans religon.oh dear .how did you write that? using a computer and the internet? try to send the message again using eastern mystical quantum concious mumbo jumbo and see if it works.science doesn't care where your born or the colour of your skin. maths is maths.
Great conversation!
Fascinating interview - two highly intelligent men at the top of their game.
Are they? Richard Dawkins is an evolutionary biologist and yet he’s only famous for being an atheist lol
Deepak says his approach with patients is to use conventional medicine PLUS delve into the details of their lives.
Fair enough. Doctors do that anyway. Mine told me I would not survive in my pressurised work environment. I got out of it. I am still here. (Typing this.)
I didn't need a shelf of Deepak's books to figure it out.
I was however lucky that I was ABLE to get out from under the pressure. Not everyone has that opportunity. For many, life is still brutal and short.
Positive - creative thinking as psychology state helps but mysterious - quantum healing is misleading . Tie- baba
A lot of his beliefs about the interconnection of nature and biology and thought are relevant and well founded. He also argues successfully that the modern approach can create outcomes unforeseen. This is known as the malaise of modernity to philosophers. In medicine, it is iatrogenesis as he says.
For the supernatural and quantum stuff, yeah it’s bs. But he is saying what he believes not what he is saying is the truth. Just his beliefs.
Prognosis comments at the end are wise and intelligent. Give the patient some hope even if they are likely to die, it actually will give them a better chance to live in all reasonable counts. Caring for someone’s emotions while they are sick will only help them improve.
Strangely enough, I have more respect for him after this video not less. I expected far worse from deepak chopra haha
Me too.
this
In summary, happy people are healthier than unhappy people.
Placebo effect; the nosebo effect; people die on Monday mornings statistically; they survive over the holidays; friendships, family, work satisfaction, relationships in general factor into health outcomes; patients with identical treatments and history have different outcomes; fear, hope, expectation, anticipation, attitude, stress response all play a complex role. He didn’t even mention adverse childhood experiences (ACE’s) studies on health outcomes, gene expression in epidemics. He shouldn’t need to. This interrogation (interview) is faring much better for Chopra than it is for Dawkins since it premiered over 10 years ago.
Bookmark it and play it again in another 10 years. My future testable prediction is it will play even better for Chopra.
That was brilliant, have never listen to Deepak Chopra, he treats the whole patient. I believe he is spot on.
posting this old video is really odd, it appears he approached Chopra unexpectedly and had a cameraman with him as though he was going to catch Chopra off guard. Clearly Chopra doesn’t appreciate this kind of disrespect where he is standing with Richard towering over him during this interrogation. By the title of this, it appears Richard is attempting to benefit by ridiculing individuals that he can’t comprehend and when one’s mind believes if you can’t see it it doesn’t exist, life must be pretty dull. This was highly edited video, wonder what else Chopra said that Richard doesn’t want to share
Thats because you cant distinguish science from philosophical nonsense, really just underlines your scientific ignorance.
@@cheapbruh9778 oh look it’s someone calling someone else ignorant, if everyone were just as smart as you… bruh 😎
Are the quantum-chakras cleaning out your brain cancer 🤡🤡🤡? why dont you teach us the innovative science that you idol deepak has scammed you into believing? go on we are waiting... im sure its going to revolutionize tiktok .@@MrFireman164
Deepak Chopra was stunning and pragmatic in his response. A treat to watch.
Hmm, at 4 min I hear a bunch of words in a sequence that sound very much like sentences but do not add up in my brain in any coherent way.
I suppose I’d better rule out me having a stroke…going to check BP…
Insightful as always ❤
Fantastic discussion. Thank you.
The older I grow, the more Deepak makes sense
Quite the opposite here, but the difference is I ain't desperate for "holistic" miracles.
@OrmondOtvos it seems as ppl age, they reach for to regain youth in any way they can. Modern science and medicine cannot, but holistic meds can do anything Lol
@@OrmondOtvosbest response
@@OrmondOtvosNothing to do with miracles. Having a positive state of mind goes a long way to heal from sickness.
@@OrmondOtvos Being narrow minded doesn't help.
First interview i see of Deepak Chopra where he is much clearer than usual.
Wow is that clarity ?
When I listen to people talking on youtube in a quiet place, I can often spot patterns in their speech. Deepak is a master of language and one of his tactics is projection. Obviously he deliberately uses language at a different level to everyday use that anyone would understand to get his stuff across. I don't know him that well, but, as a commenter says, anything that can be said, can be said clearly and in everday language.He is a master at answering questions, using the questioners logic against him. I'd have to watch him more to spot more. I enjoyed Richard quickly acknowledging some of the things we all know but Deepak had dressed up, and batting them out of the way so he could dig deeper. This was Deepak's point but he spots Richard's motivation to dig deeper and pretends there is another point to what he is saying, so the deeper anyone tries to dig with him, the deeper down a rabbit hole they go.
Jordan Petersen may sound like Deepak on the surface, but has different motives.
This is merely one example of human consciousness affecting matter: Numerous tests of people praying for specific plants -- all from the same seeds -- to thrive over those without human intent and "prayer" have validated with statistically significant results that "prayer" works. Quantum mechanics teaches that scientific test results change from human observation. Quantum healing sounds like an appropriate term to me.
It seems to me that Chopra was interrupting Dawkins quite a bit.
The discipline shown in maintaining the conversattion without slapping him and screaming "shut the fuck up"
You’re a weak man to feel the need to do that from a conversation
What a preposterous thing to say, what kind of scientist would behave in this manner ? The Nazis? Are you insane ?
What a preposterous thing to say. What kind of scientists would behave in this manner ? The Nazis ? Are you mad?
Some people must find Depak comforting to listen to. When I listen to him prattle on and on and on, not saying anything meaningful, I want to slap him into silence too.
7:55 "A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still."
A man convinced by purely will, will swallow Deepak's woo woo pill.
a really enjoyable video to watch, thanks
I became increasingly nervous for him. He also demonstrates a similar state of being 'cornered'.
As a British person of Indian heritage, this makes me proud. Proud that Deepak Chopra is so full of krap that he can stand in front of the camera and talk relentless nonsense. God bless all that is Indian!
Please be proud of Dr Chopra: he has done so much good in the world. He is not at all full of "rude word" or "relentless nonsense".
@@user-ts4rd7sv5n yeah right. Just lightened the wallets of the gullible
19:40 - Love how Deepak basically undermines everything he, himself, had said up until that point via Freudian Slip.
The quack was gish galloping a bit.
Don't be so harsh on Dawkins, he is aging you know and his mind is not as sharp as it used to be.
@@zarbins I'm surprised how restrained Dawkins was in holding back from the many outrageous and unsupported statements from Deepak. Someone else, like Christopher Hitchens (RIP), would not demonstrated nearly as much restraint with Deepak's stupid comments...
@@garymaclean6903 What one or two statements did you find to be the most outrageous and unsupported?
Do you keep abreast of modern research in clinical psychology, neuroscience, philosophy of the mind, theory of consciousness, and implications of belief systems?
@@zarbins How about: - "The Quantum Theory is only a Metaphor for how a thought is an indivisible unit of consciousness"...
Or: - "There are certain physicists who believe a Quantum Leap is a discontinuity, and creativity and consciousness is also an example of discontinuity."
Or: - Healing may be a biological phenomenon that relies on biological creativity." "It may be a discontinuous phenomenon; something that's unpredictable." "It may be something that happens in the proliferation of uncertainty."
Or: - Quantum Physics is unexplainable in the absence of consciousness."
Or: - "I think reality is both objective and subjective." "Our own subjectivity is also a pattern of behaviour."
All this crap in the first 5 minutes. The rest is more of the same...
I have manifested certain health issues due to fear of it, because I was enmeshed with someone who already was suffering. Mind and consciousness are integral to your perception of life and the vessel you inhabit. I don't see why you think perception doesn't change reality? A good chunk of it is subjective@@garymaclean6903 "Quantum Physics is unexplainable in the absence of consciousness." It makes sense given how science is still in the unknown about. Spirituality is the science of the old world