Decades ago when my mother was a very devout Jehovah's Witness she gave me Watchtower Society (JW stuff) publications. When I read them, I noticed they used B.C.E. and C.E. when discussing history of Bible etc. I had no clue what B.C.E. meant? I never forgot that the bizarre Arian Jehovah Witness cult did not like using the regular convention, which highlighted CHRIST. I converted to Traditional Catholicism in 2020 A.D.. I also had the incredible privilege of helping lead my mother into the Catholic Church, who was baptized and confirmed this past Easter Vigil (2024 A.D.). Thanks be to God! Love love love you guys. Blessings from Canada.
Thanks for the info, it's very telling! When we notice unusual things like this and they accumulate, there is definitely a pattern that points at something.
After 1 B.C. is 1 A.D. After 1 BCE is 0, followed by 1 CE. This is used by historians who believe in a Zero year. Some think “CE” is “Christian Era”, this is incorrect.
@@CatholicTraditionaldoes that mean they are a year out? I am amused though, that BCE and CE as an attempt to negate Christ (& particularly Christianity and even more particularly, Catholicism), but the reference point is The Birth of Christ! Hilarious!
I converted in ‘23 from Protestantism. I am so grateful for Catholic Unscripted! THANK YOU for being outraged! To struggle for 40 year from the precipice of anti-Catholicism only to be methodically bombarded from the Vatican with yet another step towards a more conciliatory Protestant like and/or compromisingly worldly view is simply stunning. Perhaps for those who have been Catholic for a long time are more circumspect. But I am, having been on the outside of full truth for so long, jumping up and down inside saying, why are you (Vatican) not standing firm on the foundation of the faith so paved with blood of martyrs and Jesus himself who constantly went against anything not the Truth be it the religious or the worldly forum ! Chaos on the political stage is, well, predicated by loads of malformed philosophies and deceits. It tends to gravitate towards compromise. However, the church, the bride of Christ, The Vatican should be proud to stand apart on Truth and a joyful recanting of all glances towards the other players. I am so grateful for loving compassionate people like you willing to say there is real and present danger in this Vatican and we will not just stand by and watch this happen without calling out the Truth. Praying for Catholic unscripted to flourish. I cannot wait to be able to support you further. Many Blessings from across the pond.
It has been said that Napoleon Bonaparte once declared that Christ brought civilization into the world; l heard this on Italian Tv2000, before the recitation of the Rosary at 8 pm.
I’m converting from c of E then atheism to Roman Catholicism Latin mass style not novus ordo. If you find an Institute of Christ the King/ ICKSP and go you won’t be disappointed. My date is the 14th of September. I’m really looking forward to it. I’m up-to-date with Catholic news.
As a lecturer in ancient and medieval history I only use BC and AD dates. I tell my students not to use BCE/CE and explain why... And if they insist on using it because of their politics I have a nice red pen... One could turn this nonsense back on the Pope of Woke: BCE = 'Before the Christian Era' and CE = 'the Christian Era'.
Which cannot be “[Before the] Christian Era” because these people believe in a Year Zero. I saw Year 0 in an architecture history textbook with BCE/CE. So here in A.D. 2024 is in reality 2023 CE.
1 Mummy what does BCE mean? 2 Before Common Era darling. 1 Oh but whats does Before Common Era mean? 2 Well it comes from the dating system of the world meaning before the birth of Christ, we used to call it BC as in Before Christ. 1 So why change it Mummy so confusing. 2 Well it's just horrible people want to take Christ away from our World darling and for us to forget about him, but we wont let them will we? 1 No Mummy, he is the Son of God the Father, our Saviour ✝️🕊🙏
UA-cam Apologist Michael Lofton thought any concern over this was hysterical. He laughed heartily and dismissed it outright. Makes me question his understanding of things.
If you are looking for “reason” or “theology,” there are plenty of superior channels, including the one we are graced with here. I only tune into his “rap” if I want LOLZ or elevated blood-pressure.
@@erinmarie99 Perhaps what he is missing is the spiritual aspect of the faith. An encounter with the Holy Spirit. Perhaps, then he would understand signs. The divide line of much of this from my experience is a charismatic encounter with God. Many are running around trying to intellectually prove God or understand God (reason - theology) missing He IS therefore you can meet Him and have a relationship with Him
They only use it in English version of Pope document , but they maintained BC and AD in Spanish, Italian and French version. This shows that anyone that did the English translation is the one did that. Before Common Era is English word, if you translate this phrase in Spanish, it might not have thesame abbreviation.
When I first started work as a solicitor, it was usual to conclude a Will with the words “and I make this my last Will and Testament on the day of in the year of Our Lord One thousand nine hundred and “ For some reason, this way of giving the date was used only in Wills - no doubt with the intention of drawing the mind of the Testator, due to the nature of the document, to his last end and the need to consider his standing before the Lord!
When i see what is going on in the Vatican, i get angry, but then i remember why i came back to the Church. That is because it is the greatest miracle God ever did. Here we have an organization that has lasted thru wars and plagues and revolutions and the fall of nations and communism and heresy and apostasy and evil priests and bishops and persecution and totally inept leadership. Yet for 2000 years it continues to grow and create saints and bring God himself to us in the eucharist and care for us in our spiritual needs. No organization could do all that without Gods miraculous support.
I am surprised that the Vatican has not apparently considered using the North Korean calendar which is currently at 113 being the number of years since Kim Il Sung's birth. (I was taught as a child to bow my head when saying, hearing or reading the Holy Name. As well as reminding me of the power of the Holy Name, his practice also carries an indulgence which I apply to one or other of my deceased relatives - it's win-win folks)
These days the Catholic Church has the urge of adjust, conform and be a part of the world, forgetting that the real Head is Christ not Bergoglio. Non praevalebunt.
Ok, let's say this: 1. If Bergoglio is a true Pope, he is the visible head of the Church on Earth and the power of the keys and the protection of the Holy Spirit. You are espousing R&R nonsense which amounts to classical Protestantism; 2. What should be obvious is that such a manifest and repetitive heretic, blasphemer, and apostate is not and cannot be a true Pope. Your position poses as Traditional but isn't. 3. How about being candid (like say, Candace), by the world, you have to mean the Jews-why not just say it-are the Moslems pressing for this or the Hindus-not even the Commies.
Katherine, you are not alone! The judiciary are expected to conform to a requirement in the Equal Treatment Bench Book that they refer to Court users in a manner that is sympathetic to their "chosen" gender, regardless of the fact that for a Christian that conflicts with our legally protected right to believe Genesis 1-27. "...male and female HE made them." Those who refuse are threatened with discipline. This subject really begs the question, "Is he really the pope??"
It's not for us to worry or start to lose faith in our pope, the devil and his evil spirits will love that! Remember, the gates of hell will not prevail, our Holy God is in full control, have faith and bless you x
@@MartinaStC It's not a question of losing faith though is it. Surely, we all have a duty to challenge what appears to be error - in charity of course - and wouldn't satan love it if we didn't do that, thereby allowing the error to proliferate? Even Peter was corrected by Paul.
@@MartinaStC Good men standing by doing nothing and letting evil flourish is evil. The luciferians have captured the Vatican as our Lady warned us would happen in numerous apparitions.
Maybe that’s why Poland is a bigger beacon of hope for us than either for example Quebec or Ireland my country of birth. Live in Canada now , home of all things woke and secular.
What happened at the transition from BCE to CE? As a protestant may I add my protestation and plead for the restoration of BC / AD. Welcome back, squibs and all. 🙂🙏
You guys are wonderful. I like to think that pilate would have come 'round if he had more of a chance. How many times do I, a christian, do the wrong thing in the name of expediency. God have mercy on him.
The luciferians in the Vatican are sending us a message -- their takeover is complete and Christ is now irrelevant and His Kingdom on Earth is gone. But of course our Lady will crush the head of the serpent through Christ our Lord.
I remember the first time I came across CE and BCE. It was while I was assigned to support an IT mainframe programming project related to accounting at one of the NASA locations here in the USA. This was back before Internet and smart phones so I asked one of the astrophysicists who worked in the same building. My first thought was, “how silly” … it still means the same thing. It’s still dating when things happened based on when it was thought Jesus was born 😂 Some years later my young niece asked me what the letters meant and I told her the “official” words for each letter: “Common Era” & “Before Common Era” … and then explained what they really meant: B.C.E. Really Means Before Christian Era C.E. Really Means Christian Era, which began with the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ I told her how for over a thousand years B.C. and A.D. were used to date things and what these letters stood for: “Before Christ” and “Anno Domini” (Latin for: “the year of the Lord”) … she smiled and agreed it was silly to use the “modern” ones. I enjoy your talks so much. Tell Mark we missed him. God bless you all. 💙🙏💙
@@royquick-s5n … it’s been understood for a very long time that the attempt to date Jesus’s birth year was off by a few years, still the meanings of BC or BCE and AD or CE, are making a distinction between what happened in history before Jesus’ incarceration and what’s happened since then 😊
@@TheAuntMar-USA Likely the confusion is a protestant invention. The Church had accurate records over her history including the date of Christ's birth.
I have long abided by the practice of, when confronted by those terms, used in approbation, to cease reading or watching. The channel is then cancelled and the book binned. I am now happily looking forward to sending the latest Vatican screed spinning to the waste - paper basket.
To an extent, given the current leadership of the Catholic Church and what it has been doing, it is amazing that there are still people converting to Catholicism. The lady who runs the One in Nine websiterecently interviewed a lady who had come into the Catholic Church after attending a Traditional Latin Mass. She then had a number of lengthy conversations with the parish priest. It's almost like two Churches existing side-by-side: the Church in Rome and the Church on the ground.
@@rccyberwarrior2267 God created 'apes' and loves them. He's in control and can see the failings and good of all people. More prayer and time spent in Christ in humility and repentance and love in a Christian or true Catholic spirit by those who try to follow Christ would buildup faith not pull it down in others. Remember that.
I have asked myself the question why do people who claim to be unbelievers in a moment of high emotion call out the name Jesus or the title Christ. note they never use any other deity name. For me it shows the power only found in the one true Lord. The name will not go away.
I was banned from Wikipedia in perpetuity for changing CE/BCE dates to AD/BC in articles. On another note, the different parts of our calendar (months, days, hours) come from various peoples and religions: 12 months from the Babylonians, the solar overlay on the natural lunar calendar from the Egyptians, tinkering by the Romans, Roman months, Heathen/Germanic days (except Saturday).
Your information completely explains what has happened. I will continue to use AD and BC. This is just another way that the Truth of Christianity is being removed from the minds of people. We the Christed human beings on this earth must not give away to the Luciferian agenda. IAM a christed human and will continue to stand the Light of God and teaching of Jesus for eternity. ❤️🙏H
For now it's just an unfortunate quirk of the English version. The Vatican website maintains "before Christ" in number 12 of the letter on the role of literature in all other languages.
When you deny Christ before mankind, he will deny you before the Father... "But he that shall deny me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in heaven." - Matt 10:33
I will always be a B.C. and A.D person, its very important to civilization. But I treat BCE as Before Christian Era and CE as Christian Era. His Holyness should have put his foot down about this, very disappointing
Sadly, each time i hear the words, “… and now from the Vatican” i feel myself bracing as in anticipation of another violent blow! Glad to have you back online to help us not just brace… but also to push back! God bless. 🙏
As someone who would describe themselve as C of E , i do enjoy your podcasts. Very disappointed that the rot has entered the Vatican, as you will be aware rot has been active for a while in my church. There is only one truth, it is simple and always has a profound effect. Keep speaking it , i admire all those who stand up to be counted. Interesting what was said about Catholic schools, my grandchildren go to Catholic schools , i was happy and thought they would recieve a good moral groundwork. Sadly i have been disappointed, it is not terrible but lacking in commitment, i am not sure they will carry much of it with them .
This is a state funded school in England, they are not allowed to select on academic criteria. The Catholic schools have a good reputation in general but especially at secondary level, i feel there could be more of an emphasis on faith. And less of the "woke" agenda. Also the state funded schools, C of E and Catholic have to take a certain proportion of children from different faiths and none, this must contribute to watering down the message😏
They might but at 75 years of age I have only ever used BC and AD. Similarly I only refer to mankind. Keeping up with today’s worldly mores and language is not for Christians.
At 70, I, too, have had my beliefs confirmed over time and see no reason for the current gibberish. It began with the failure to teach Philosophy and Logic- people do not comprehend the nature of genus and species and hence fallaciously think mankind refers only to the males of the species.
Anthony Burgess called Pilate the Patron Saint of Writers for saying "what I have written I have written" and accepts the notion that he accepted Christ (conversion) at the end of his life. Are you familiar with any of this Fr. Aschendale...or am I making it up
Going by multiculturalist, postmodern liberal standards you could argue that “Before Common Era” is “worse” than “Before Christ” because it is claiming that the dating system is common to everyone. At least saying BC as a westerner is owning your own cultural background. BCE seen from this perspective is more “neo-colonial” than BC
The neo colonialists are the luciferians in charge of the Vatican and most of our nations. Christians helped civilize the world; the luciferian colonialists spread war, suffering, theft, murder, destruction and they continue to do so.
I agree with you, but I would just point out that this change only appears in the English translation. It would therefore be unfair to attribute it to the Pope, who certainly does not reread the translations. It is the work, to use your expression, of some “bureaucrats”.
That is interesting but I would have no way of knowing. The English is all I see. One would think the Vatican would be aware much of the world only read things in their primary language. Then knowing would be more aware of such things. Especially, as they are made know through the media such as this.
When I hear you talk about the recent move of the Vatican I wish you had rather talked to us about skin care! How distressing this news is. Thank you for letting us know though. We need to know we have a woke pope.
I use BC/AD. However, from what others have said it is only the English translations which use BCE/CE, the originals still use BC/AD, so perhaps we should criticise the translators and not the Pope.
@@royquick-s5n well I was making a point about the laws of gravity as opposed to a speculative theory on evolution. We can argue against Darwin's theory but we can't argue against gravity
I suspect it is the English translator who used this secularist year dating system. Didn't the French Revolution also try and change the dating for years and even days of the week? All civilisations and religions have date systems that begin with a date. Either it will be the foundation year of a city, country or event. The birth of leaders or figures of religious importance whether it be Zorastrians, Janes, Sikhs, Jews, Christians or Islam. The dating BC and AD are longstanding and crucial. Changing this to BCE and CE is secularist (atheist) which also has its secular feast days usually imposed on civil service staff and in schools which sadly even the Papacy keeps. These changes are deliberate and intended to replace Christianity in culture. This is a part of replacement sought by Liberalism, Marxism and Islam.
Gavin is so right about what using the words "Jesus" and the "F" word reflects. The Vatican continues to kowtow to the secular atheistic world just like the Pope giving a "blessing" without making the Sign of the Cross kowtows to other religions that cannot bring their members to salvation.
I never heard of BCE and CE until maybe 15-20 years ago and I was mainly public school educated. How quickly it has changed. At the time I was like what, why? It is STILL dated accord to Jesus Christ why would you want to remove His Name?
@@royquick-s5n What is your point? Anyone with brain that remotely thinks understand what CE and AD are referring to are after the birth of Jesus Christ. If the exact date isn't known the meaning remains the same. The entire world is generally using a calendar based on the birth the Jesus Christ.
CE and BCE can mean "Christian Era" and "Before Christian Era." But still I'm very surprised that the Vatican would use it in documents produced for Catholics.
“ these blighters “ say Gavin of the clerical numbskulls conforming to the world on BCE/CE . Haven’t heard that expression since I left the UK sixty years ago. Love it!
The conventional usage is a bit of a mix and match. I assume that “BC” is an abbreviation for “Before Christ” and “AD” is an abbreviation for “Anno Domini”. So, one is English, the other Latin. They couldn’t both be Latin, since, in Latin, “Before the Lord” would also be “AD” (Ante Dominum). Surely it would be better to use the same language “BC” and “AC” (Before Christ and After Christ)? Still, we all understand “BC” and “AD” so best to stick with it. As for the use of “Common Era” that is absurd. Not every civilisation dates from Christ, so it is far from being “common”. The Romans dated from “UC” (Urbs Condita - the founding of the City) and the Jews from a very early date - I can’t now remember, exactly - the date of Creation, perhaps.
Èxactly: i thought that before Gavin mentioned it: we have to write to the Pope, to the Vatican saying no, you may not discard Before Christ and Anno Domini from literature and our time references. So, what is the postal address, please, to send our letters? Thank you.
Sorry but I'm sticking with BC and AD, let others or AI do what they wish even it will cause issues at work or lose my job... Unless our Pope infallibly declares this should not be so or decrees it as BCE I'm keeping BC and AD. I'd recommend others do the same. Stand strong in these small things. Praise God.
An early delivery of Pope PIZZA is required asap....... Prov 22:28. Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set. 23:40min......Gavin, focus on that idea and expand upon it.......it's a vein of Gold!
The papal office should not be about the personality on St. Peter's Chair. It is a "divine office," impersonal, rather like the British monarchy which was so well served by the late Queen Elizabeth II. As Elizabeth II represented the British people, their parliamentary democracy, their history, their legacy, their identity, the pontiff must represent the deposit of faith which is unchanging, fixed, complete, accomplished. Christ is not, for us, simply a religious founder among religious founders as Francis I seems to think.
Shame on the Vatican, but the question arises, “What’s to be done?" Besides excoriating the Roman miscreants , I suggest a sort of rhetorical jujitsu, a martial art in which the enemy’s own force is used against him. If a Catholic can’t avoid using CE and BCE in some circumstance, then insist that the C stands for “Christian” and not “common.” Enforce this in the moment by always speaking the full phrase “Christian Era” or “Before the Christian Era.” If anyone objects that this isn’t the official meaning, demand that they declare why “common” is the only correct word for which the C may stand. After all, 44 “Before the Common Era” and 44 “Before the Christian Era” refer to the same fateful year for Julius Caesar, so there’s no scientific reason to insist on one formula vs. the other - except anti-Christian bigotry on the side of “Common.” In writings, place a footnote on Page 1 explaining that you intend that C stands for Christian; then you can use BCE and CE without compromising your Faith or being tiresomely repetitive. It’s only a tactical adaptation, but it could be useful until we regain enough influence in the arena of thought to put the traditional AD and BC back in their rightful place.
I will continue to use BC and AD.
Decades ago when my mother was a very devout Jehovah's Witness she gave me Watchtower Society (JW stuff) publications. When I read them, I noticed they used B.C.E. and C.E. when discussing history of Bible etc. I had no clue what B.C.E. meant? I never forgot that the bizarre Arian Jehovah Witness cult did not like using the regular convention, which highlighted CHRIST.
I converted to Traditional Catholicism in 2020 A.D.. I also had the incredible privilege of helping lead my mother into the Catholic Church, who was baptized and confirmed this past Easter Vigil (2024 A.D.). Thanks be to God!
Love love love you guys. Blessings from Canada.
Thanks for the info, it's very telling!
When we notice unusual things like this and they accumulate, there is definitely a pattern that points at something.
After 1 B.C. is 1 A.D. After 1 BCE is 0, followed by 1 CE. This is used by historians who believe in a Zero year. Some think “CE” is “Christian Era”, this is incorrect.
@@CatholicTraditionaldoes that mean they are a year out? I am amused though, that BCE and CE as an attempt to negate Christ (& particularly Christianity and even more particularly, Catholicism), but the reference point is The Birth of Christ! Hilarious!
I converted in ‘23 from Protestantism. I am so grateful for Catholic Unscripted! THANK YOU for being outraged! To struggle for 40 year from the precipice of anti-Catholicism only to be methodically bombarded from the Vatican with yet another step towards a more conciliatory Protestant like and/or compromisingly worldly view is simply stunning. Perhaps for those who have been Catholic for a long time are more circumspect. But I am, having been on the outside of full truth for so long, jumping up and down inside saying, why are you (Vatican) not standing firm on the foundation of the faith so paved with blood of martyrs and Jesus himself who constantly went against anything not the Truth be it the religious or the worldly forum ! Chaos on the political stage is, well, predicated by loads of malformed philosophies and deceits. It tends to gravitate towards compromise. However, the church, the bride of Christ, The Vatican should be proud to stand apart on Truth and a joyful recanting of all glances towards the other players. I am so grateful for loving compassionate people like you willing to say there is real and present danger in this Vatican and we will not just stand by and watch this happen without calling out the Truth. Praying for Catholic unscripted to flourish. I cannot wait to be able to support you further. Many Blessings from across the pond.
@@tamarawinget blessings on your journey!
Yeah, you picked up on it very quickly. "Infiltration" is the reason. Stay strong and keep your eyes on Jesus!
It has been said that Napoleon Bonaparte once declared that Christ brought civilization into the world; l heard this on Italian Tv2000, before the recitation of the Rosary at 8 pm.
I’m converting from c of E then atheism to Roman Catholicism Latin mass style not novus ordo. If you find an Institute of Christ the King/ ICKSP and go you won’t be disappointed.
My date is the 14th of September. I’m really looking forward to it. I’m up-to-date with Catholic news.
Your convert zeal is cute. Stay Catholic for a few more decades and you’ll realize this kind of stuff is par for the course coming from the Vatican.
They want to be of the world, not just in it. 😢
Truth is Christ. Christ is Truth
Kýrie, eléison. Christe, eléison. Kýrie, eléison.
this is breaking my heart.
As a lecturer in ancient and medieval history I only use BC and AD dates. I tell my students not to use BCE/CE and explain why... And if they insist on using it because of their politics I have a nice red pen... One could turn this nonsense back on the Pope of Woke: BCE = 'Before the Christian Era' and CE = 'the Christian Era'.
Which cannot be “[Before the] Christian Era” because these people believe in a Year Zero. I saw Year 0 in an architecture history textbook with BCE/CE. So here in A.D. 2024 is in reality 2023 CE.
Well done Sir
I remember Christian name and Surname too….. now first and last name….the slippery slope
Initially that is what I thought BCE and CE meant. While I was at the University of Adelaide I refused to use these in my assignments.
@@patrickparsons2378 Before Chridtendome Emerged
So many dont have a Christian name now sadly!
1 Mummy what does BCE mean?
2 Before Common Era darling.
1 Oh but whats does Before Common Era mean?
2 Well it comes from the dating system of the world meaning before the birth of Christ, we used to call it BC as in Before Christ.
1 So why change it Mummy so confusing.
2 Well it's just horrible people want to take Christ away from our World darling and for us to forget about him, but we wont let them will we?
1 No Mummy, he is the Son of God the Father, our Saviour ✝️🕊🙏
Thank you for clarifying, i was wondering about that 🙂
Why did the Vatican change to BCE? Just one more thing to upset and confuse us.
Because Bergoglio and his followers are apostates and lapsi.
To usher in the one world religion
Infected by the woke mind virus?
Because this Pope is secular.
Because the Vatican is now the headquarters of the Ape of The Church. It is no longer Catholic.
What year are we in,now then !!!!! Speechless its beyond words :heaven help us
UA-cam Apologist Michael Lofton thought any concern over this was hysterical. He laughed heartily and dismissed it outright. Makes me question his understanding of things.
If you are looking for “reason” or “theology,” there are plenty of superior channels, including the one we are graced with here. I only tune into his “rap” if I want LOLZ or elevated blood-pressure.
Lofton is an insufferable fool.
The depth of Michael Lofton’s understanding of many things is shallow.
If there's one thing about Lofton, it's that he's consistently on the wrong side of everything.
@@erinmarie99 Perhaps what he is missing is the spiritual aspect of the faith. An encounter with the Holy Spirit. Perhaps, then he would understand signs. The divide line of much of this from my experience is a charismatic encounter with God. Many are running around trying to intellectually prove God or understand God (reason - theology) missing He IS therefore you can meet Him and have a relationship with Him
A fantastic episode! Well done to you both. It really is laughter through tears!
They only use it in English version of Pope document , but they maintained BC and AD in Spanish, Italian and French version. This shows that anyone that did the English translation is the one did that. Before Common Era is English word, if you translate this phrase in Spanish, it might not have thesame abbreviation.
"Common Era" is a luciferian invention designed to insult Christ the King and pretend Christianity does not exist.
When I first started work as a solicitor, it was usual to conclude a Will with the words “and I make this my last Will and Testament on the day of in the year of Our Lord One thousand nine hundred and “ For some reason, this way of giving the date was used only in Wills - no doubt with the intention of drawing the mind of the Testator, due to the nature of the document, to his last end and the need to consider his standing before the Lord!
Kudos!! Maybe you could travel to the Vatican and offer your services to the Pope??
When i see what is going on in the Vatican, i get angry, but then i remember why i came back to the Church. That is because it is the greatest miracle God ever did. Here we have an organization that has lasted thru wars and plagues and revolutions and the fall of nations and communism and heresy and apostasy and evil priests and bishops and persecution and totally inept leadership. Yet for 2000 years it continues to grow and create saints and bring God himself to us in the eucharist and care for us in our spiritual needs. No organization could do all that without Gods miraculous support.
Wonderful channel. Thank you 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I am surprised that the Vatican has not apparently considered using the North Korean calendar which is currently at 113 being the number of years since Kim Il Sung's birth.
(I was taught as a child to bow my head when saying, hearing or reading the Holy Name. As well as reminding me of the power of the Holy Name, his practice also carries an indulgence which I apply to one or other of my deceased relatives - it's win-win folks)
Reverence and humility to Christ the King are no longer allowed by the luciferians who run the Vatican and our nations.
These days the Catholic Church has the urge of adjust, conform and be a part of the world, forgetting that the real Head is Christ not Bergoglio. Non praevalebunt.
Ego non serviam Bergoglio
Ok, let's say this: 1. If Bergoglio is a true Pope, he is the visible head of the Church on Earth and the power of the keys and the protection of the Holy Spirit. You are espousing R&R nonsense which amounts to classical Protestantism; 2. What should be obvious is that such a manifest and repetitive heretic, blasphemer, and apostate is not and cannot be a true Pope. Your position poses as Traditional but isn't. 3. How about being candid (like say, Candace), by the world, you have to mean the Jews-why not just say it-are the Moslems pressing for this or the Hindus-not even the Commies.
Thank you! Thank you ,! Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Will pray for a miracle to turn things around.!
I think it's shocking. Betrayal.
I am so thankful for this podcast, and the encouragement that the hosts and the content provides.
BCE "Before Christ Emmanuel" and CE "Christ Emmanuel" is how I'll explain it if anyone asks me... nah.. we keep BC and AD until the end of time.
I think you will find that a new 'start date' is gradually foisted on us all. Let me guess... some 1400 or so years ago...?
Katherine, you are not alone! The judiciary are expected to conform to a requirement in the Equal Treatment Bench Book that they refer to Court users in a manner that is sympathetic to their "chosen" gender, regardless of the fact that for a Christian that conflicts with our legally protected right to believe Genesis 1-27. "...male and female HE made them." Those who refuse are threatened with discipline.
This subject really begs the question, "Is he really the pope??"
It's not for us to worry or start to lose faith in our pope, the devil and his evil spirits will love that! Remember, the gates of hell will not prevail, our Holy God is in full control, have faith and bless you x
@@MartinaStC It's not a question of losing faith though is it. Surely, we all have a duty to challenge what appears to be error - in charity of course - and wouldn't satan love it if we didn't do that, thereby allowing the error to proliferate? Even Peter was corrected by Paul.
@@MartinaStC Good men standing by doing nothing and letting evil flourish is evil. The luciferians have captured the Vatican as our Lady warned us would happen in numerous apparitions.
I don't know how many times I have left the comment "it's A D- Ano Domini Year of Our Lord"
Fun fact: We used B.C and A.D. at government run schools during Communist rule in Poland.
Maybe that’s why Poland is a bigger beacon of hope for us than either for example Quebec or Ireland my country of birth. Live in Canada now , home of all things woke and secular.
I go out of my way to use BC/AD wherever I can, just to get up the noses of clown world
What happened at the transition from BCE to CE? As a protestant may I add my protestation and plead for the restoration of BC / AD. Welcome back, squibs and all. 🙂🙏
Well said.
As another has written, what is the common era that those promoting this change are referring to?
Exactly. This was my immediate reaction. Not sure I understand even now!
You guys are wonderful.
I like to think that pilate would have come 'round if he had more of a chance. How many times do I, a christian, do the wrong thing in the name of expediency. God have mercy on him.
The luciferians in the Vatican are sending us a message -- their takeover is complete and Christ is now irrelevant and His Kingdom on Earth is gone. But of course our Lady will crush the head of the serpent through Christ our Lord.
I remember the first time I came across CE and BCE.
It was while I was assigned to support an IT mainframe programming project related to accounting at one of the NASA locations here in the USA. This was back before Internet and smart phones so I asked one of the astrophysicists who worked in the same building.
My first thought was, “how silly” … it still means the same thing.
It’s still dating when things happened based on when it was thought Jesus was born 😂
Some years later my young niece asked me what the letters meant and I told her the “official” words for each letter: “Common Era” & “Before Common Era” … and then explained what they really meant:
B.C.E. Really Means Before Christian Era
C.E. Really Means Christian Era, which began with the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ
I told her how for over a thousand years B.C. and A.D. were used to date things and what these letters stood for: “Before Christ” and “Anno Domini” (Latin for: “the year of the Lord”) … she smiled and agreed it was silly to use the “modern” ones.
I enjoy your talks so much.
Tell Mark we missed him.
God bless you all.
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@@royquick-s5n … it’s been understood for a very long time that the attempt to date Jesus’s birth year was off by a few years, still the meanings of BC or BCE and AD or CE, are making a distinction between what happened in history before Jesus’ incarceration and what’s happened since then 😊
Merci.
@@TheAuntMar-USA Likely the confusion is a protestant invention. The Church had accurate records over her history including the date of Christ's birth.
I have long abided by the practice of, when confronted by those terms, used in approbation, to cease reading or watching. The channel is then cancelled and the book binned. I am now happily looking forward to sending the latest Vatican screed spinning to the waste - paper basket.
To an extent, given the current leadership of the Catholic Church and what it has been doing, it is amazing that there are still people converting to Catholicism. The lady who runs the One in Nine websiterecently interviewed a lady who had come into the Catholic Church after attending a Traditional Latin Mass. She then had a number of lengthy conversations with the parish priest. It's almost like two Churches existing side-by-side: the Church in Rome and the Church on the ground.
God ultimately leads people to His church by His grace...
As Archbishop Fulton Sheen described it: an "ape of the Church" exists side by side with the true Church of Christ the King (ie Catholic Church).
@@rccyberwarrior2267 God created 'apes' and loves them. He's in control and can see the failings and good of all people. More prayer and time spent in Christ in humility and repentance and love in a Christian or true Catholic spirit by those who try to follow Christ would buildup faith not pull it down in others. Remember that.
👍Totally agree! How did this BCE & CE creep in ?
I have asked myself the question why do people who claim to be unbelievers in a moment of high emotion call out the name Jesus or the title Christ. note they never use any other deity name. For me it shows the power only found in the one true Lord. The name will not go away.
Yes exactly- and it is always the Catholic Church that is attacked - they don’t attack the Methodists.
I was banned from Wikipedia in perpetuity for changing CE/BCE dates to AD/BC in articles. On another note, the different parts of our calendar (months, days, hours) come from various peoples and religions: 12 months from the Babylonians, the solar overlay on the natural lunar calendar from the Egyptians, tinkering by the Romans, Roman months, Heathen/Germanic days (except Saturday).
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It is the correct time.
Amen. Amen Brother!
All of human History was divided by Our Creator, Our Redeemer and Our Blessed Hope, Oh thank you Lord!
Your information completely explains what has happened. I will continue to use AD and BC. This is just another way that the Truth of Christianity is being removed from the minds of people. We the Christed human beings on this earth must not give away to the Luciferian agenda. IAM a christed human and will continue to stand the Light of God and teaching of Jesus for eternity. ❤️🙏H
For now it's just an unfortunate quirk of the English version. The Vatican website maintains "before Christ" in number 12 of the letter on the role of literature in all other languages.
It is a deliberate luciferian signal, not a quirk.
When you deny Christ before mankind, he will deny you before the Father...
"But he that shall deny me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in heaven." - Matt 10:33
Tom Holland said he would rather boil his own head than use BCE/CE.
The world has lost it's way. If I mut use these terms then this is how I think of the acronyms BCE - Before the Christian Era
CE - Christian Era
Amen.
I will always be a B.C. and A.D person, its very important to civilization. But I treat BCE as Before Christian Era and CE as Christian Era. His Holyness should have put his foot down about this, very disappointing
Sadly, each time i hear the words, “… and now from the Vatican” i feel myself bracing as in anticipation of another violent blow! Glad to have you back online to help us not just brace… but also to push back! God bless. 🙏
One Francis rebuilt the Church the other has tried to destroy it. Only one is a saint.
As someone who would describe themselve as C of E , i do enjoy your podcasts.
Very disappointed that the rot has entered the Vatican, as you will be aware rot has been active for a while in my church.
There is only one truth, it is simple and always has a profound effect.
Keep speaking it , i admire all those who stand up to be counted.
Interesting what was said about Catholic schools, my grandchildren go to Catholic schools , i was happy and thought they would recieve a good moral groundwork. Sadly i have been disappointed, it is not terrible but lacking in commitment, i am not sure they will carry much of it with them .
This is a state funded school in England, they are not allowed to select on academic criteria.
The Catholic schools have a good reputation in general but especially at secondary level, i feel there could be more of an emphasis on faith. And less of the "woke" agenda.
Also the state funded schools, C of E and Catholic have to take a certain proportion of children from different faiths and none, this must contribute to watering down the message😏
They might but at 75 years of age I have only ever used BC and AD. Similarly I only refer to mankind. Keeping up with today’s worldly mores and language is not for Christians.
At 70, I, too, have had my beliefs confirmed over time and see no reason for the current gibberish. It began with the failure to teach Philosophy and Logic- people do not comprehend the nature of genus and species and hence fallaciously think mankind refers only to the males of the species.
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Great discussion.
The memory of humans is short, so the common Era would have to be only about 100 years long and everything else is before.
It pisses me off replacing BC and AD . I’ve seen it used in my own parish…..I was able to talk to the priest after Mass !
This reminded me of a short, succinct clip “Truth - Antonio de Oliveira Salazar - 1966”
From now on, all my dated notes will include AD! 9-2-24 AD
Good idea but AD must be front
Anthony Burgess called Pilate the Patron Saint of Writers for saying "what I have written I have written" and accepts the notion that he accepted Christ (conversion) at the end of his life. Are you familiar with any of this Fr. Aschendale...or am I making it up
St. Augustine accused bishops of fleecing the sheep instead of feeding them.
Going by multiculturalist, postmodern liberal standards you could argue that “Before Common Era” is “worse” than “Before Christ” because it is claiming that the dating system is common to everyone. At least saying BC as a westerner is owning your own cultural background. BCE seen from this perspective is more “neo-colonial” than BC
The neo colonialists are the luciferians in charge of the Vatican and most of our nations. Christians helped civilize the world; the luciferian colonialists spread war, suffering, theft, murder, destruction and they continue to do so.
I agree with you, but I would just point out that this change only appears in the English translation. It would therefore be unfair to attribute it to the Pope, who certainly does not reread the translations. It is the work, to use your expression, of some “bureaucrats”.
That is interesting but I would have no way of knowing. The English is all I see. One would think the Vatican would be aware much of the world only read things in their primary language. Then knowing would be more aware of such things. Especially, as they are made know through the media such as this.
In response I sometimes refer to Before the Christian Era and the Christion Era. I call it "a save" to borrow a term from MLB, Major League Baseball.
I don’t like this common era stuff either…….love that Bennet(sp)woman….thank you for the episode
Thanks for watching
When I hear you talk about the recent move of the Vatican I wish you had rather talked to us about skin care! How distressing this news is. Thank you for letting us know though. We need to know we have a woke pope.
Bergoglio is not the pope.
Thanks
Thank you 🙏
I agree. I think that a little skin goes a long way and that, on the whole, we're probably the better for it, compared to it's absence.
What!!!#! Please God let this end.
L'Orgueuil Versus La Vanité. ☀️ 💋.
I use BC/AD. However, from what others have said it is only the English translations which use BCE/CE, the originals still use BC/AD, so perhaps we should criticise the translators and not the Pope.
Ordinary time……
The BCE/CE eclipsing BC/AD is like Darwin eclipsing Newton.
@@royquick-s5n well I was making a point about the laws of gravity as opposed to a speculative theory on evolution. We can argue against Darwin's theory but we can't argue against gravity
I suspect it is the English translator who used this secularist year dating system. Didn't the French Revolution also try and change the dating for years and even days of the week? All civilisations and religions have date systems that begin with a date. Either it will be the foundation year of a city, country or event. The birth of leaders or figures of religious importance whether it be Zorastrians, Janes, Sikhs, Jews, Christians or Islam. The dating BC and AD are longstanding and crucial. Changing this to BCE and CE is secularist (atheist) which also has its secular feast days usually imposed on civil service staff and in schools which sadly even the Papacy keeps. These changes are deliberate and intended to replace Christianity in culture. This is a part of replacement sought by Liberalism, Marxism and Islam.
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I, for one, always read and pronounce BCE and CE as 'Before Christian Era' & 'Christian Era' - whatever Jewish/Left academe dictate.
Gavin is so right about what using the words "Jesus" and the "F" word reflects. The Vatican continues to kowtow to the secular atheistic world just like the Pope giving a "blessing" without making the Sign of the Cross kowtows to other religions that cannot bring their members to salvation.
They are bowing to lucifer their lord, not to atheism.
Yep, what is going on 🤔🤷♂️😡🙏
I never heard of BCE and CE until maybe 15-20 years ago and I was mainly public school educated. How quickly it has changed. At the time I was like what, why? It is STILL dated accord to Jesus Christ why would you want to remove His Name?
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@@royquick-s5n What is your point? Anyone with brain that remotely thinks understand what CE and AD are referring to are after the birth of Jesus Christ. If the exact date isn't known the meaning remains the same. The entire world is generally using a calendar based on the birth the Jesus Christ.
CE and BCE can mean "Christian Era" and "Before Christian Era." But still I'm very surprised that the Vatican would use it in documents produced for Catholics.
“ these blighters “ say Gavin of the clerical numbskulls conforming to the world on BCE/CE . Haven’t heard that expression since I left the UK sixty years ago. Love it!
The Common Era. We've all become so common. Lack of religious conviction probably.
The conventional usage is a bit of a mix and match. I assume that “BC” is an abbreviation for “Before Christ” and “AD” is an abbreviation for “Anno Domini”. So, one is English, the other Latin. They couldn’t both be Latin, since, in Latin, “Before the Lord” would also be “AD” (Ante Dominum). Surely it would be better to use the same language “BC” and “AC” (Before Christ and After Christ)? Still, we all understand “BC” and “AD” so best to stick with it. As for the use of “Common Era” that is absurd. Not every civilisation dates from Christ, so it is far from being “common”. The Romans dated from “UC” (Urbs Condita - the founding of the City) and the Jews from a very early date - I can’t now remember, exactly - the date of Creation, perhaps.
The smoke of Satan.
A world without Christ is hell.
Èxactly: i thought that before Gavin mentioned it: we have to write to the Pope, to the Vatican saying no, you may not discard Before Christ and Anno Domini from literature and our time references. So, what is the postal address, please, to send our letters? Thank you.
Worse than nothing. Right on, Katherine
It cannot be!
Remind us how we can contribute to further your apostolate
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Thank you 🙏
B.C. og B.C.E. - is this a matter of translation? As far as I can see it is only the English text that uses BCE - and not B.C.
Sorry but I'm sticking with BC and AD, let others or AI do what they wish even it will cause issues at work or lose my job... Unless our Pope infallibly declares this should not be so or decrees it as BCE I'm keeping BC and AD. I'd recommend others do the same. Stand strong in these small things. Praise God.
An early delivery of Pope PIZZA is required asap.......
Prov 22:28. Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.
23:40min......Gavin, focus on that idea and expand upon it.......it's a vein of Gold!
BCE- Before Christian Era CE- Christian Era We can play their game. Howzatt?
Apparently they used BC in the European translations but not the English. What does that tell you
Like it or not, this started under Benedict XVI, I believe.
The papal office should not be about the personality on St. Peter's Chair. It is a "divine office," impersonal, rather like the British monarchy which was so well served by the late Queen Elizabeth II. As Elizabeth II represented the British people, their parliamentary democracy, their history, their legacy, their identity, the pontiff must represent the deposit of faith which is unchanging, fixed, complete, accomplished. Christ is not, for us, simply a religious founder among religious founders as Francis I seems to think.
It's simple!!! None of these Men and Women are Humble, Holy, Prayerfull People. And that is the serious issue.
To those who use these pagan terms I usually respond with "So you mean Before the Christian Era do you?"
Just another failure of this benighted papacy. Domine, miserere nobis!
I’m wonder whether Pope Francis has had an encounter with Jesus.
Supplant "Common Era" with "Christ's Era"
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Shame on the Vatican, but the question arises, “What’s to be done?"
Besides excoriating the Roman miscreants , I suggest a sort of rhetorical jujitsu, a martial art in which the enemy’s own force is used against him. If a Catholic can’t avoid using CE and BCE in some circumstance, then insist that the C stands for “Christian” and not “common.” Enforce this in the moment by always speaking the full phrase “Christian Era” or “Before the Christian Era.” If anyone objects that this isn’t the official meaning, demand that they declare why “common” is the only correct word for which the C may stand. After all, 44 “Before the Common Era” and 44 “Before the Christian Era” refer to the same fateful year for Julius Caesar, so there’s no scientific reason to insist on one formula vs. the other - except anti-Christian bigotry on the side of “Common.”
In writings, place a footnote on Page 1 explaining that you intend that C stands for Christian; then you can use BCE and CE without compromising your Faith or being tiresomely repetitive.
It’s only a tactical adaptation, but it could be useful until we regain enough influence in the arena of thought to put the traditional AD and BC back in their rightful place.
Islam and Judaism are allowed their Calendars, but not Christianity?
After pachamama, anything is possible.