For a lot of people the Leviton load center is also a good alternative. Instead of the relays and sensors being built into the panel itself, they’re built into the breakers themselves. They also have regular breakers so you can make their panels as smart or dumb as you want, and can easily upgrade over time.
Are these new size span panels on the market? Span’s website still states they only make the 32 breaker panel. Also, how would a sub panel for a pool on the opposite end of the house be integrated into the main span panel?
If power wall 3 integrate well with span panels How about loading up these power wall 3 during off peak times, and selling that energy back to the grid during on peak times That seems like a money saver
Yes, that’s one way you can get the system to pay for itself. However, it would likely take you more than 10 years to recoup the battery cost with this approach.
@@SolarSurge true --- sounds like some SPAN panel programming is in order. and/or addition of more efficient solar panels to add to my array over the coming years
Joe --- Here in my state of Kansas it has always been a flat rate 24hrs a day for grid electricity but just recently in the last couple months the utility company (Evergy) has been sending fliers in the mail (I have received two fliers so far) saying they will begin to offer (peak rate hours) and cheaper (non peak hours) optional billing and they are trying to spin it that it will be cheaper for everyone but for right now they are saying it will be a customers option if they choose that. I think its likely if some people choose that peak rate option they will try to make it permanent for everyone. We also have 1 for 1 on net metering and the utility company has (made hints) that in the future that may change to a (Net metering 2.0 or 3.0) and that it is possible that net metering may end all together.
Cost / value is still way out of line with market. Emporia energy monitors are ~$200. There is value is being able to turn off a circuit at the panel level for intermittent high power (EV chargers and maybe dryers), but it's not realistic one can "save energy costs" but shutting something off in the middle of the day. It's not like you can shut off the fridge and freezer. The only thing likely is HVAC and you can get wifi thermostats for $200. If you did want to shut off a 120v appliance during the day you can get 15a smart outlets for $50. If span could figure out how to get to from $4k to $2k I think they'd be competitive with alternatives. They have a cleaner solution, but it's just way too expensive to get beyond niche.
Joe, I was hoping for your perspective on whether this is actually adding value to a smart home that already is controlling appliances and heat pumps with programmable devices. Seems unnecessary to me.
Controlling appliances does not do the panel upgrade avoidance. But that is a specific situation too. As for me, our house is complex enough, it would be nice to know when something tripped right away. Out here in the Styx, you don't want the water tank power to go out as an example. It's Texas, AC is mandatory the two months it is not summer, setting things up so you can shed load in favor of cooling is just a pure win.
Yes, instead of throwing a roast in the oven and starting some washing and drying as you head out for some groceries, you just sense that a power outage is coming and just don't do any of those things. It's really simple when you think it through. My favorite is when you go to sleep and there is going to be a power outage. Just unplug your car and stuff. Life is just so simple with some simple planning ahead.
Joe,the segment talking to the SPAN guy was so larded with extraneous sounds that it was nearly unlistenable. Also, let's face it -- once you've figured out where your big loads are, you're going to make the adjustments. A year or two or more down the road, the incremental insights are going to be really small because you've already made the big changes. A cheaper means of profiling loads is better than $5000+ for a SPAN panel.
The only thing that matters, does it NOW have LOCAL API access?
This is a No-Go If its still only manageable via their cloud service.
For a lot of people the Leviton load center is also a good alternative. Instead of the relays and sensors being built into the panel itself, they’re built into the breakers themselves. They also have regular breakers so you can make their panels as smart or dumb as you want, and can easily upgrade over time.
Can't turn itself back on tho
@@Reedith Actually, that's not true. Leviton's current "Smart Circuit Breaker", Gen 2, have full on/off control via the app.
Are these new size span panels on the market? Span’s website still states they only make the 32 breaker panel.
Also, how would a sub panel for a pool on the opposite end of the house be integrated into the main span panel?
Is there anything different about it other then the new sizes ?
If power wall 3 integrate well with span panels
How about loading up these power wall 3 during off peak times, and selling that energy back to the grid during on peak times
That seems like a money saver
Yes, that’s one way you can get the system to pay for itself. However, it would likely take you more than 10 years to recoup the battery cost with this approach.
@@SolarSurge true --- sounds like some SPAN panel programming is in order. and/or addition of more efficient solar panels to add to my array over the coming years
When can you talk about the solar edge all in one? I’m waiting for the drop.
Joe --- Here in my state of Kansas it has always been a flat rate 24hrs a day for grid electricity but just recently in the last couple months the utility company (Evergy) has been sending fliers in the mail (I have received two fliers so far) saying they will begin to offer (peak rate hours) and cheaper (non peak hours) optional billing and they are trying to spin it that it will be cheaper for everyone but for right now they are saying it will be a customers option if they choose that. I think its likely if some people choose that peak rate option they will try to make it permanent for everyone. We also have 1 for 1 on net metering and the utility company has (made hints) that in the future that may change to a (Net metering 2.0 or 3.0) and that it is possible that net metering may end all together.
Cost / value is still way out of line with market. Emporia energy monitors are ~$200. There is value is being able to turn off a circuit at the panel level for intermittent high power (EV chargers and maybe dryers), but it's not realistic one can "save energy costs" but shutting something off in the middle of the day. It's not like you can shut off the fridge and freezer. The only thing likely is HVAC and you can get wifi thermostats for $200. If you did want to shut off a 120v appliance during the day you can get 15a smart outlets for $50. If span could figure out how to get to from $4k to $2k I think they'd be competitive with alternatives. They have a cleaner solution, but it's just way too expensive to get beyond niche.
Puget Sound Energy - piloting TOU and believe it will be coming soon.
Price for point guard system rough idea
1 inverter
1 battery
Control box
But are they still like $4k EACH?
$2980.00 as of Jan 2025 on Ebay
More reruns👎😂
Nope. I can already see bugs in the set up
Joe, I was hoping for your perspective on whether this is actually adding value to a smart home that already is controlling appliances and heat pumps with programmable devices. Seems unnecessary to me.
It’s not for every situation, obviously.
Controlling appliances does not do the panel upgrade avoidance. But that is a specific situation too.
As for me, our house is complex enough, it would be nice to know when something tripped right away. Out here in the Styx, you don't want the water tank power to go out as an example. It's Texas, AC is mandatory the two months it is not summer, setting things up so you can shed load in favor of cooling is just a pure win.
If you have a power outage and you're running off batteries just don't use the washer, dryer, dishwasher and TV. Limit your a/c or heating.
Yes, instead of throwing a roast in the oven and starting some washing and drying as you head out for some groceries, you just sense that a power outage is coming and just don't do any of those things. It's really simple when you think it through. My favorite is when you go to sleep and there is going to be a power outage. Just unplug your car and stuff. Life is just so simple with some simple planning ahead.
Joe,the segment talking to the SPAN guy was so larded with extraneous sounds that it was nearly unlistenable. Also, let's face it -- once you've figured out where your big loads are, you're going to make the adjustments. A year or two or more down the road, the incremental insights are going to be really small because you've already made the big changes. A cheaper means of profiling loads is better than $5000+ for a SPAN panel.