EM&E new naval rocket launcher and Thales new counter drone rocket
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- At Eurosatory 2024, Spanish company EM&E (Escribano Mechanical & Engineering) in partnership with Thales unveiled a new rocket launcher for naval application.
Using the Sentinel 20 remote weapon station as base, the new system can launch up to 5 guided or unguided 70mm rockets by Thales Belgium. The system is being proposed to a South East Asia navy.
At Eurosatory 2024, Thales Belgium also unveiled a new counter drone (C-UAS) unguided rocket: The FZ123 C-UAS warhead deploys a cloud of small balls which can counter large UAVs or a swarm of several small drones.
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It’s Vampire for patrol boats. A laser guided rocket for targeting unmanned vehicles with a secondary ground attack, or in this case, anti shipping role
5 rockets! up against a swarm!
It's more like they would need 50 of them...
Looks perfect for smaller naval units or to add to non-forward vessels for defense. Not sure the difference between this and the now standard RAM systems ( besides having far more missiles in the launcher ). How fast is the reload?
the closest RAM system that is similar to this is the SeaRAM, with the actual closest match being the VAMPIRE system, as it is beam riding to target instead of internal tracking systems, wont wipe out a swarm, but can swat several drones from a fair distance using a relatively tiny AA system
RAM is an anti-missile system, this one is for cheap drones that's why they're using 70mm rockets, probably same from Hydra.
In fact US has the same project that was being made by South Korea and being tested in this year RIMPAC.
Is even a relatively cheap rocket a cost effective way to shoot down drones? I think the default anti drone systems will be based on guns possibly firing some sort of canister shot with an AI targeting system.
Its not so much cost comparison of drone vs rocket, its more rocket vs what the drone would hit, is the cost of the intercept more than the potential damage not intercepting would do. Still want to bring down cost of intercept, but this is such a small AA system that it wouldn't be that hard to slap onto a small boat.
@@zano187but that’s only true for GBAD defending civilian and logistical infrastructure.
We’re talking about naval systems, where the most damage you’re going to accidentally do is nuking a school of fish, the most valuable thing on the high seas are the ships using said point Defense systems themselves.
What navies need are highly attributable cost effective point defence, shit like proxy fuse AA rounds. Not yet another missile who can achieve PK >99%.
If a gun based AA misses their mark, that she’ll that misses will just fly into the ocean. Why in the flying fuck do I need a highly precise AA missile with wave off and self destruct when I’m hitting a glorified flying ironing board in an area where friendly fire is barely a thing??
@gamingrex2930 that's half the point of this system. It's a beam riding proximity fused round propelled by a cheap rocket motor, quite literally as cheap of an interceptor you can make. The main difference is only the effective range is far longer than an AA gun, allowing it to not only defend itself but also perform screening for other vessels while taking up around the same amount of space or even less depending on the system. While it wouldn't fit on a rubber dingy, you can mount it on most partroll craft, giving them decent AA capabilities
Was waiting for the range. Anyway, it should be horizon-range or slightly longer. More useful than cruise missiles like in SEAS area
"The system can also be used to counter drone threats with a simple and cost-efficient solution being able to address UAS at ranges up to 3 km and height up to 2.5 km, using the newly developed FZ123 warhead on existing unguided rocket motors and with most of the rocket launchers in Thales’ portfolio."
in short s standard 70mm "new" Tungsten like Rockets, Time of field test,
call Sweden get few Pansarbandvagn 302 and LAND-LGR4 Launcher“FLETCHER” on swing arm
on side sliding platform with ready ranks under it, put the sensor unit where the anti aircraft sight is for 20mm
gun plug it to the sensor and you have drone defines system for the airfield
I want a solution for submarine drones
"Timefusing" is a keyword.
Range ?
8km
@@javierarmada4819 No my friend! If those rockets fly 6km horizontal and 3 to 4km vertical its already awesome! 8km you are entering the range of missiles like the PARS 3 LR and Hellfire and the LMM Martlet,. 70mm rockets would not reach with max effective range to those distances, crazy!
Laser would be more cost effective than this guided rockets against drones, also 5 rockets per launcher is too few.
Depends on the weather as well. I have heard that LAWs are only effect, at the moment, up to a mile.
@@Cartoonman154 to be fare most drones can't fly in bad weather as well
They use unguided rockets with timed fuzes too, those should be cheap. Lasers are interesting but they have not really proven themselves in practice yet.
@@MishaAmashukeli unguided?? Then in that case, using RCWS that can shoot air burst rounds like MLG 27 is better than 5 rockets.
@@jonlaurenzreyes1902 Maybe, but it's an interesting concept. An autocannon is not cheap, but a launcher for these rockets is just a bunch of tubes. For a ship that does not matter, but it can be useful for example if you want to defend thousands of electric transformers from drones.
Only 5 rockets??
As another commenter has pointed out, completely uneconomical and a logistical burden when drones will come at volume. We’re just one step away from a mothership drone with range carrying multiple short-range drones. This anti-drone solution is guaranteed to be too impractical and expensive.
I believe you're right when you're talking about kinetic systems that's why they need to invest into soft kill systems that will take out swarms of drones
@@mattmaschmeyer yes! EW, and even lasers if they increase ship battery capacity.
Very cost effective solution for targeting inexpensive Drones with laser guided rockets.
Yesterday India's ADANI DEFENCE signed a contract with THALES to locally produce these laser guided rockets to arm upcoming Attack helicopters of India, Hope Indian Navy will Adapt these system for their warships in future.
This is bollocks. Completely out of touch w the threat. 5 paltry rockets against 30/40/50 cheap drone!! Lol how do you reload it? Undo the bolts and slot in another “pack” rofl
Please increase your mini nuke loncher
This seems pretty silly. What they need is a CIWS type weapon with a single 40mm gun firing modern VT fused rounds. If you make it cheap enough you will KILL it on the back end through volume.
That’s Way they couldn’t mention any range ! CIWS type systems are useless against drones !
Which is likely to be several times the weight, plus having recoil forces needing a robust mounting to the deck. And with a greater swept volume due to the barrel meaning you need a larger space to mount it in.
You mean the THALES RapidfFire.
I think they are advertising this as less likely to cause collateral damage than a cannon-based system. This is more about defense while in port than out there in blue water. Think trying to provide drone defense while docked in Norfolk rather than patrolling the South China Sea.
The LMM/martlet is the best small rocket around at this point. You need a proximity fuse to be sure of hitting your target, a timed fuse would need to be very exact, so that it goes off at exactly the right time.
Timed fuses are basically how all the modern airbursting rounds like AHEAD work.
@@davidgillon2762 maybe good for drones but missiles are moving so fast that a fraction of a second could mean it blows up too late or two early.
If you're taking on missiles, then a cloud of ball bearings is the wrong warhead anyway.
@@davidgillon2762 OK, their fine for drones and small boats but that space on a ship could be used for a better system.
Unguided rockets would be ineffective for missile defense anyway.