This Ruins QD OLED Monitors - HDR400 vs Peak 1000
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This Ruins QD OLED Monitors - HDR400 vs Peak 1000
Over the last year I’ve reviewed more HDR monitors than I can count, and by far my favorite display technology has got to be QD OLED when it comes to gaming thanks to its inky shadows, near instantaneous response times, and superior HDR color volume when compared to WOLED, but to my shock and pure disgust, there is a setting which I’ve seen a ton of users, and even some reviewers suggest you enable that, at least in my opinion as someone who reviews displays for a living will basically completely ruin this monitor.
That setting is the HDR peak 1000 mode on monitors, and despite 1000 being larger than 400, and the fact that it shows up as better in testing programs like Calman, today I’m going to prove why it’s worse by testing it in various games and in Windows using a professional light measuring device on a brand new 4K 240Hz Alienware AW3225QF, and show you how to get these best results out of your brand new monitor.
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HDR Peak 1000 vs HDR400: tftcentral.co.uk/articles/tes...
0:00 - I Love QD OLED
0:28 - HDR Modes
0:50 - Which is Better
1:05 - Tools
1:18 - Games
3:59 - Windows
4:53 - Why
6:21 - Burn In
7:13 - Choose Wisely
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I have a g9 oled, even with light hitting the screen it doesn't bother me with reflections or image quality, even being only on 10% brightness so im not sure what people are seeing differently? 🤔 everyone is different but im fairly picky and i don't care so
Thanks for the Video! I am using the 3225QF and tried all HDR modes for weeks. I always ended up using the GAME HDR Mode in Creator Mode. Seems to be the brightest mode in every single situation in COD i.e. - What does the Game HDR Mode actually do other then HDR 400 and Peak 1000 Mode? Thanks for any answer!
If you’re in a dark/black room, you want to use HDR1000 instead of True Black 400. I know you’re doing this testing but nobody needs 200 nits APL in a dark room. You’ll get a better experience with a lower APL and brighter highlights.
It depends on what you want. Realistically we would need 1000nits APL and 4000nits peak to have a convincingly good daytime HDR scene with high dynamic range.
If you don’t care about daytime HDR then that’s different I suppose.
@@thedisplayguyi remove hdr on cod too dark
I use 1000 nits fullscreen on my mini led in a completely black room
@@joaquinarchivaldoguzmanloe1073 got pg32ucdm today and super sad how dang dim the mw3 experience is man
Have to agree, have spent weeks going back and forth between the two options in loads of different games in many different scenes and overall I just prefer the dynamic range you get from P1000 over the higher APL of TB400 and that's coming from someone that smashes everything to 100% brightness at every chance he gets. I've also found a way to bring P1000 closer in line by simply just increasing the paper white setting in the brighter games. It clips the highlights slightly but it also brings those mid grey's up so that the APL is much more similar to TB400 whilst maintaining that peak brightness.
What's the link to the demo video you show? The one with the liquid bouncing on the speakers. Thanks!
At first I was like "dang his monitor looks awesome. The colors, the blacks". Then it hit me, I'm watching this on an OLED monitor so it's actually my monitor that looks awesome lol
at least you realized that. i've seen people saying that watching on a stupid washed out tn panel.
but yeah, i watch on my oled screen and these HDR demos look super good on it.
Surely we can get the peak 1000 brightness with the HDR400 full sreen brightness right? Through a firmware update or something?
The 57" odyssey has hdr1000 with peak nits at 1000, what do you think about that? Theres a deal rn for it for $1500 brand new, but it's from Samsung and not bestbuy, abd i heard they're terrible with samsungcare vs bestbuy protection plan.
@thedisplayguy I have the AW32, can you also test with Dolby Vision? It seems the monitor gets brighter with it. Which i dont get. TY
great video thanks
Did you make a separate HDR profile in Windows using Windows HDR Calibration for both options? Though, I have no device to measure the tiny differences I see no difference between HDR400 and HDR1000 in Windows at all.
You have to make a seperate Windows HDR calibration profile if you are using any of those modes. If you don't, then your monitor might use 1000 nits on HDR 400 and bright things will become too bright. Or might use 400 nits when using HDR 1000, and the brightness will never reach maximum.
@thedisplayguy How did you turn off the power LED on the MSI 321URX at 7:25? It's been bothering me and I'd like to turn it off like you have here.
I had the UPX.
Does this ring true for mini led monitors like the innoCN or KTC mini led monitors. What about ips or VA displays that use HDR400? Are they now viable options in terms of peak brightness?
No. Mini LED has no issues like this.
Just set up my LGC4 this morning.
😅
Nice!!
Does this only apply to the 4k 240hz versions. What about the 360hz 1440p models?
I don't know if to buy an oled right now, i currently have a lg 27gp850 and even if it isn't real hdr, picture looks better compared to sdr (better colors and slightly higher brightness), but all these different oleds with their relative problems are bugging me so much... Do you advice buying oleds right now or is it just better to wait? Ideally i'd want a 1440p 27/32 ultrawide with black frame insertion techs
How would I adjust the settings on the Samsung G8 QD-OLED to ensure I'm not in the 1000 nit mode?
This was my experience as well with my AW3225QF. I always use HDR True Black 400. It just looks way better to me.
I have the alienware 400 better than 1000?
Agreed 100% 400 was nice
I also have the aw3225QF and use HDR true black all the time.Looks sharper to me.
For those with the aorus fo32u2p. Use HDR + APL Middle and thank me later. This is the trueblack 400 mode and it is way better than the other peak 1000 modes. Those are too aggressive on ABL and starts clipping. The hdr 400 is consistent and can reach up to 480 nits.
That's helpful, thank you, I ordered mine yesterday from Amazon UK, I've got 1-3 months to wait, but it's going to be good! :)
@@owenfell4030 congrats! This is the best variant I've used. I used the Alienware and the Asus and this one beats them all.
This is true.
I believe Tft central says apl set to high and hdr set to game is the brightest of the modes on the gigabyte monitor getting brighter in all scenarios than the apl middle setting and even over brightening in some cases.
Yeah, I switched to HDR Gaming for a time due to TFT Central recommending it, but it never looked right.
Whats the best settins for g9 oled g93sc?
In your opinion any estimate or rumors. When we could see the monitors matching or getting close to the TVs in brightness?
Maybe from LG. We will see.
@@thedisplayguy would hope QD but let’s see
@@PremiumAliI mean the s95d and these monitors use the same panel. The former being like three times brighter or even more 😭
Two games that are exempt from HDR 400, Ori and the Will of the Wisps and No Rest for the Wicked. Those are both mandatory Peak 1000 games!
Peak 1000? That's cute. I'll play at 1700.
@@DrakonR I think 99 percent of people would rather low input lag 1000 on a monitor than 1700 on a slug of a tv
@@DrakonR Not at 240 or 360Hz.
@@aro7975 you must live in 2010 because input lag hasn't been an issue in over a decade. But nice try 👍
@@andrewmorris3479 the difference between 144 to 240 is laughable so you got me! 😆 I mean, I should know, I have both.
Is this also true of the older aw ultrawide monitors? Like the 3423dw? Thanks for the great content...
Yes it is. Thanks 🙏
@@thedisplayguy Thanks I've been running my 3423 on 1000 mode since I got it based on early reviews. I'll give it a shot once I get a chance. Any other settings I should look at to get the best out of one of these?
I can’t remember. I make settings guides on my Patreon for all the monitors I review, so I might still have the DW. I’d have to check.
@@tdub77yeah no offence but don't bother. Use hdr1000 and actually get those peaks when they are needed
@@lilpain1997 according to this I might be missing better overall output do to abl??
Does this matter as much in a dark room? I found the SDR mode to be extremely dim, so I run HDR on all the time now. However I have been running peak 1000 mode this entire time
Yes. It matters in all lighting conditions.
anyone knows what this option is called in samsung displays ? specifically the OLED G9, is it hdr 10+ Gaming ? basic and advanced options ?
ABL is Nightmare but the panels getting beter and less aggressive
but please i need your help how modded s90c to beat this nightmare?
Wow great video. Thought the g4 has more advantage. Can you make soem comments about bfi and oled and what you expect to come? Bfi + sync same time on is gold for me
You can't do both vrr and bfi.
Vrr requires a variable frame rate and BFI needs a locked frame rate.
As far as I'm aware anyway, I don't know of any that do both at the same time.
how do you clean your alienware 4k 240? I just got one and I feel like im going to mess up the panel....
How to Clean QD OLED Monitors & TVs
ua-cam.com/video/l5dS6beRpFg/v-deo.html
distilled water and a microfiber cloth
I used that completely ruined my screen had to get it replced
Spread the love folks!
Thanks 🙏
Maybe in peak 1000 mode, it's pushing the brightness into.
The the 1% and 10% window sizes instead of. The average brightness. Across the display, I like a dark environment so a Dimmer brightness overall With peak highlights of one thousand Knits for things like particle effects, etc. Make for a good experience.
What impact does the fact that they do not support 2560×1440 resolution have on TVs?
Does buying an Oled TV also involve this?
The Monitor goat thanks for keeping it real man a lot of people really appreciate it just know that. 💯
This translates to the Gigabyte Aorus APL settings (middle = HDR400, high = 1000Max), right?
Yes.
so whats happening when DV is turn on? bc ever since the FW update. i stay in HDR1000 mode, but it is very dim on windows. but when DV is ON its VERY bright. so i thought the conclusion and best recommended settings ppl been saying like HUB. was stay in HDR1000 mode, even tho HDR400 is ever so slightly more accurate. and then of course no one has recommended using DV mode. is DV only for console users? i have not found a single thing that works on PC for DV.
DV is not following EOTF correctly.
@@thedisplayguy how much does that matter tho, or how off is it on the latest 105 FW? can you do an update for us?
Was this tested with DV on or off?!
Also, why do a lot of monitors lock the brightness level in hdr I hate that I have msi mag 271qpx
I’ll make a video 👍
That's basically how it's supposed to be.
I think you're right about them not wanting burn in, my Alienware QDOled comes with a 3 year warranty that includes burn in.
Made my AW screen much better and brighter. Thx 🙌🏻
Where do you get the video for the red head lady playing and dancing? 🤣
I must have seen that lady in video maybe thousand of times researching OLED monitors
As noted in the TFT Central article exploring this, the discrepancy is from less accurate PQ EOTF tracking in the Peak 1000 mode vs the True Black 400 mode. Should be very fixable via a firmware update, and I'm sure it's not the intentended behavior of the QD-OLED monitors. Odd that all monitors using this panel seem to have this issue tho, assuming it is because of firmware
When I talked to Dell engineers they said it was intended behavior and made it sound like it may be a limitation imposed by Samsung Display that is likely never to change.
That’s what I got from it anyway.
@@thedisplayguy afaik the 1st Gen QD-OLED panels like on the AW3423DW don’t have this issue, and have a perfect EOTF tracking. Odd how the 3rd gen panels are a such a step down in this regard… I wonder why
It should have been obvious that it is indeed an intended behaviour. Monitor manufacturers aren't going to change that via firmware updates, at least those who provide a burn-in warranty.
after my LG C2 42 tomorrow arrive my LG C3 42... cant wait!!!!!!!
You're getting a c2 and c3?
@@paulcox2447 yes and i love it!!!!
I would love an HDR peak 700 mode or something, is that just me?
Does the cat come with the monitor?
I can confirm, everything The Display Guy is saying is exactly true. I have the Dell Alienware AW3225qf and using HDR 400/HDR True Black produces better gaming highlights and general screen brightness. It even works for UA-cam 4K HDR videos!
Can’t wait to see the gorilla glass 4k spectrum black monitor review. I’m holding off on getting a new monitor until then.
I reviewed the 27” already, but the 32” looks like it could be a big improvement.
@@thedisplayguy what’s also interesting according to the spec sheet is that it can also do 480 hz at 1080p
Yes it can.
It's funny because I just got the MPG 321URX and I absolutely can't stand the hdr400 mode. I can barely stand the hdr1000 mode since it's a bit darker overall... I still have to turn down the peak white brightness in any game I'm using it with, since it literally sears my retinas and gives me massive headaches. Likewise, my SDR (monitor) brightness is at most 20%.
And my vision isn't the issue... 20/10 in one eye, 20/13 in the other, no history of eye problems, sugery, glasses etc. I'm sitting at a normal desk distance (to where the pixels are indistinguishable) and in a moderately lit room. When the room is fully dark, the jarring highlights make it even worse. Also, I have no problem with ooutdoor light/bright days, possibly because that's reflected light, instead of emmited.
ALSO how the f*ck did none of the reviews (yours included) mention the VRR flicker!?! I literally want to puke after 5 minutes of playing with VRR on.. The only one I found was rtings, AFTER I already purchased the monitor, and tried to figure out if I or the monitor was having a seizure.
So true regarding the VRR flicker. No reviews mentioned it at all, and it makes VRR not worth using. 3 months of so many reviews kissing these panels butts that don't mention the two flaws worth pointing out... and yet, once everyone buys them, and there are a few complaints, every creator explores the subject as if they discovered it.
@@MrRespen I ended up returning it yesterday.. Couldn't deal with the eye strain. I can game on my 1440p IPS panel for 5 hours with less issues than I get after 30 minutes of "hdr".. Unfortunate but it is what it is
@@nikolakostic5667 I'm happy with the alienware 27 inch version. I just don't use VRR and haven't had eye strain issues myself with HDR400... though I do wish the 1000 mode had better color representation. Sorry you had to return yours! I'm still happy with my purchase but these flaws should have been covered months ago by reviewers.
I love using HDR 400 on my Alienware 32 inch 240 Hz. I can’t stand the dimming from the 1000 mode. The consistency I get is much better. People act like 400 nits isn’t bright.
I get severe eye strain with higher than average monitor brightness in a dark, so sounds like 400 is good enough for me
Funny you mentuon this but I agree. I got the new msi oled and hdr400 is way brighter in every way in a constant mode. The 1000 just males everything dim unless there's a small window so I don't enjoy it.
I bought my first OLED monitor 2 weeks ago and ended up returning it. Why is VRR flicker not really talked about when talking about OLED monitors? Is it not something that all OLEDs are susceptible to?
I find VRR flicker isn't always there, it depends on the games it seems. Turning off GSync does fix the flicker, however then you dont get to use one of your monitors major features.
Depends on the setup too, on a zotac 4090 I switched from DP to HDMI and the flickering became super common and apparent. Was most apparent during shader compilation on Hogwarts Legacy, switching back to DP and it disappeared completely not just a little (AW3225QF).
vrr flicker is not something unique to OLED
This is my favorite video on the channel so far. Spread the knowledge!
These monitors are only HDR True Black 400 terrified. These HDR Peak 1000 (there's no such certification, btw) modes are forcing them to operate out of specs, unable to adhere to any of the established standards for HDR image reproduction. They can't and aren't meant to be accurate in any way, akin to Vivid picture modes on TVs. Some people may ultimately prefer them regardless, but they absolutely should not be the default recommendation and the main focus of the reviews.
What’s the science behind, essentially, 40% is 80% brighter :O
Completely agree. Just got the Aw3225qf and without looking up anything on UA-cam came to the same conclusion using Windows anyway
Alienware 32 4K QD-OLED Gaming Monitor - AW3225QF or Alienware 27 360Hz QD-OLED Gaming Monitor - AW2725DF ?
I suppose it depends on the games you play (do you require higher refresh rates?) and the GPU you have (can you drive a 4k monitor at the frames you like).
@@wkndwarrior3532 i play esports game like cs 2 and gpu is rtx 4070 super its 1440 gpu?
@@wkndwarrior3532 i m building new pc
@@lc756 sounds like the 27 is the better fit for you
What's the difference between 10% window and 100% window
I have the mpg271qrx, and I agree, peak1000 becomes unusable in some games like fps, it is really too dark and you have difficulty to spot ennemies.
tim says 1000 mode is great and AMD cards not having it with samdung models is reason enough to get another brand if you're on AMD card, as if on 1000 mode all it does is increase the peaks, but you're here showing it also drops brightness overall
i have ben using a 55" S95B for two year snow i literally today got the pg32ucdm and i played for a whole day mw3, elden ring, master duel, and i cannot simply tolerate how dim this is my display is literally like 150nits when in peak 1000 on desktop and mw3 i cant stand it when my s95B was at 949 nits the whole time
ill be selling my monitor now
qdoled to woled is not an upgrade 😭
200+ nits minimum, 150 is quite low so understandable
I have the asus qd-oled, Dead space looks worse in hdr400, or maybe its just me?
We know you can mod that in the service menu, stop holding out! (Samsung G8 OLED, tell me tell me)
Do you have money to buy one? i guess not
Hdr1000 is easier on my eyes when doing desktop browsing
For movies HDR400 is way brighter or Dolby Vision on my AW3225QF.
Hdr400 mode can look like garbage in some auto hdr games
I bought an OLED monitor for the first time this month. And how disappointed I was 😪, exactly for this reason... Especially if you're used to how OLED TVs look.
Right now it's just not worth spending that much money on a monitor. The technology needs to improve first. It felt like a downgrade in some ways and and this way you can't enjoy the full potential this technique has to offer...
Basically it boils down to how you use your monitor and where. I mostly game, and in a very light controlled room (dark) so its fantastic. If you want to use it for anything other than that, I suspect it will disappoint when compared to OLED TVs.
If you didn't run the Windows 11 Windows HDR Calibration app from the Windows Store after switching between modes then all of your tests are irrelevant as the monitor isn't calibrated for the mode you are using.
I want to know how none of your "Monitor Reviewers" realised hdr400 was brighter lol i noticed the first day i got my monitor 😅 youre 3 months to late with this video.
But least youre making the other reviewers are jusr keeping their heads in the sand
I’ve been mentioning it for years. Just never made a video.
@@thedisplayguy well im glad its finally getting some coverage as its pretty shocking the difference to me visually.
I will say games like dead space though i think 1000 is best but most all games 400 for sue
If you have to use hdr 400 to get a brighter overall image, you are closer to an sdr experience than an decent hdr one. Sad.
It's not like OLED TVs are 1000 nits fullscreen anyway
@@Neucher The gulf isn’t nearly as wide compared to the monitor world. Oled TV real scene brightness matches mini led real scene brightness most of the time. But indeed, there are times mini led tv’s give a more impactful overall hdr image (desert scenes for example), it just doesn’t happen as often as it does with monitors.
I hope @thedisplayguy on top of HDR400 true black vs HDR1000 modes can also compare those brightness in games and windows with TV like LG C4 42/48". It's better to visualize in charts to viewers that how much difference not only between HDR400 and HDR 1000 modes but also in some better display technology (TV) like C4 and G4.
I personally believe that whatever how those 32" gaming monitor advertising peak brightness, but in fact OLED still an organic self-lit pixels. The higher PPI means smaller pixels (imagine each as single light source/lightbulb), smaller pixels means to theoretically has lower brightness. Just take different sizes across same model for OLED TV, you will found that larger TV always has overall higher brightness even though same panel same design, same ABL/APL/ASBL and etc.
32" definitely is a good sweet spot for 4k PC gaming, but I rather to stick with larger panel size like 42" to have overall better performance. And 42" TV like LG C series are all the way cheaper than these new 32" 4k OLED monitors.
bro turn off the backround music its so annoying
😂
Honestly contemplating selling my 321URX
FIRST!!!
I have now owned 32” asus qd oled… it was completely unusable in bright room… blacks were purple… completely voids the purpose of oled… I got my lg 2 days ago… its no competition… lg keeps its blacks an comparing side by side the screen coating made no difference at playing distance…
Is the purple tint noticeable when the lights aren't hitting directly to the screen?
Or even with dim lights?
@@carloscorona3143 bright room none direct light looks purple
@@carloscorona3143 if u have dim room no direct light might be ok… but I had bright room no direct light and it was unbearable
I got the LG since I usually play guitar on a well lit room. I knew the raised blacks will not be good on my use case. Also, I like playing horror games with all the lights on. No contest, the LG wins and I’ve been using mine with all my lights on.
@@carloscorona3143 I own this monitor, if you have dim lights or lights not hitting the monitor directly, it will be 100% fine.
I'm running the msi qd oled 360hz 1440p. I put it on 1000 nits off rip because 1000 is beter than 400 right? But after watching this and switching it back, it is a brighter image. Thx bro.
at this moment I am not satisfied with the brightness of the monitors and OLED TVs, whether WOLED or QD OLED, especially in windows above 10% and in high APL scenes still do not have enough brightness, if they create a miniLED with more than 5000 areas of FALD then it would be very close to OLEDs