“Anyway, get your knickers off” kills me every time 😂😂😂 the ‘Karl in a film’ feature is the one time over the course of the series you can tell he has talent for his actual job in editing and production
Yeah ricky is actually correct when he says "infinity sorts it out", although he's putting it incredibly simply for Karl. It always makes me laugh when the listener kid emails in to say he has an A-level in statistics, as if that makes him the expert lol.
BBC news is very clickbait these days. The study didn't debunk it at all. Any finite sequence, no matter how long (makes no difference), will appear in an infinite random selection. Scott Coomer (sp?) doesn't know what he's talking about.
Exactly. It's like saying "There can't be one person who always lies and one who always tells the truth!" Irrelevant semantics/nitpicking, sort of the same thing Karl does every time it's brought up, only dressed up more nicely. Actually, Karl's "Have they read Shakespeare" might be less stupid than those scientists' arguments. And to Mandy's point, it's never presented as a "possible" scenario.
The thing that everyone is forgetting about the report is that the people in question said specifically that the concept is mathematically true, but nobody seems to address that when arguing Karl is right lol
I love the thought of Susan sitting in her office with the radio on surrounded by her colleagues and her Christmas presents or physical features come up and she's just sitting there hiding her head in her hands
@@andrewmay1299 I was thinking of that. I recon I could explain it to him. I’d start with a die, and he would understand that there is a 1 in 6 chance to roll a 1. Thus, a 1 is expected every 6 rolls on average. With two dice, rolling 1 and 2 would need 36 rolls. With 6 dice rolling 1 2 3 4 5 6 would need 46,656 rolls. Easy. Now change to a 32 sided die with letters and puncuation marks. How many rolls to spell cat? Same logic. 30,720 How many rolls to spell “Pilkington”? “I have a dream!” The lyrics of “Killing of Georgie”? The complete works of Shakespeare? I recon if you took the monkey out of the equation and replaced it with a mindless random number generator, he would get it. The problem with using monkeys is that Karl thinks monkeys rob banks, drive to Spain, and drink brandy.
@andrewmay1299 Andrew it was 8pm I had been working all day I had just smoked a joint and I'm bilingual and tend to get confused with English and it's stupid silent work bs, I bet I could beat you in an English or Italian spelling B
@andrewmay1299 and after looking at your other comments I'm beginning to think you are a Testa di cazzo, calling Mandy ignorant for having an opinion is pretty ignorant in it's self so besides being a massive bellend you are a hypocritical massive bellend
I worked at a radio station when I was younger and we used to get sent piles of free DVDs and CDs for promotional purposes, all the latest releases. It was probably the same at XFM
Re: DVD extras. 2003 was at that peak time when companies would compete with each other for how many extras they could stuff onto a DVD. Deleted scenes, bloopers, cast and/or directors commentary etc. And yes, even older movies had this stuff. Even after the final edit of a movie, in most cases, the original reels still exist which contain all the stuff that got cut out. And they would often get the old cast and crew together to record new features for the DVD. The only reason we didn't get to see it before is because they just didn't have a financial motivation to release it. But DVDs were a sales phenomenon at this time, I myself was buying at least 3 a week. And one of the biggest incentives for doing so, especially movies that I already had on VHS, was the extra stuff. It really was an unexpected secondary windfall for studios. It's shocking that Karl had to spend his own money for prizes, but I'm still stunned he thought a VHS was a good prize in 2003 when many people were getting rid of their VCRs at that time. 😅
The infinite monkeys thing hasn't been "debunked". Some scientists made some irrelevant semantics argument based on the fact that they seem to have misunderstood the problem/scenario. They basically said, "There can't be an infinite amount of monkeys/typewriters, or a monkey who lives for an infinite amount of time", which is beyond stupid.
I think the point they made was that the universe is more likely to end before the monkey with the infinite amount of time would type the complete works of Shakespeare. However, as you say, it’s a nonsense misinterpretation of the problem at hand, and presumably the phrase ‘with an infinite amount of time’ overrides the event of the universe ending anyway. Ricky is still correct here. The person with an A-level in statistics who emailed in is incorrect. Not as incorrect as Karl, but still incorrect.
@@andrewmay1299 Exactly, it still wouldn't work. The condition of the hypothetical is that they have an infinite amount of time, and if the universe ends, there wouldn't be an infinite amount of time. They're basically saying "if we change the hypothetical, it wouldn't work".
@@andrewmay1299and let’s not forget, they have worked from an error in their calculations. They have worked from the premise that there is only ONE monkey with an infinite amount of time. The original premise is that there are an infinite amount of monkeys with an infinite amount of time. However I do get the point about one monkey with an infinite amount of time, yet somehow they are saying the universe will end at a certain point, how do they know this and can they provide evidence? And ofc it’s logically inconsistent with the concept even if it were one monkey. The premise is that the monkey has an infinite amount of time. They are trying to finalise a mathematical concept into reality, well ofc it would not work because even if you could get one monkey to jab at a keyboard in real time in the real world it would be dead in a few decades.
The funny thing with the Karl in Film feature is that if you've not seen the film that Karl appears in, The Graduate for example, and you do eventually watch the film afterwards when you get to the scene that Karl appeared in you won't be able to not think of him while watching it
I'm amazed that Karl didn't realize that new prints of movies (e.g. for DVD) are taken from the original print, and that print is of a dramatically better quality than the VHS. Seems like a strange miss for someone who works in production. It reminds me of when I was manager of a record shop in the early 00s. It was the day that the very first Harry Potter move came out at the cinema. This big guy walked into the shop in the mid afternoon, walked past everything, slammed £20 on the counter and said "Harry Potter, DVD, 1 of." I said it wouldn't be out on DVD for some time. He became aggressive. His eyes bulged and his traps seemed to inflate. "I'VE JUST SEEN IT MATE!" He bellowed. I said if he's just seen it, he should've bought it. "WHADDYA MEAN? I COME 'ERE TO BUY IT!" I was confused. I thought he meant he'd just seen the DVD somewhere. I asked him where he'd seen it. "AT THE CINEMA!" I slumped. And told him that movies don't come out on home video, on any format, on the same day of cinema release, and that it wouldn't be available to buy for months. "HOW COME THEY'VE GOT IT THEN?" "Who?" "THE CINEMA!!" "... They don't just put on a DVD. They don't go out and buy a DVD that morning and put it on." An argument ensued as I tried to explain to him how a cinema works, as well as the financial model of the movie industry. I don't think it sunk in. Because the next thing he said was; "So I have to go and tell my kiddies that you won't give me the DVD because of some stupid f**king law?" I sighed, and spoke slowly and clearly: "There's no law. The DVD literally doesn't exist yet. If you want to see it, you have to see it at the cinema. The DVD will go into production probably next year. I can't sell it to you yet because it doesn't yet exist. Okay?" He motioned like he was going to spit in my face but thought better of it before sliding his twenty angrily off the counter and storming out, shouting "C*NTS!" as he exited the shop. I few weeks later he came in with a pirated CD-R with HARRY POTTER written on it in Sharpie, waved it in my face and said "WHAT'S THIS THEN?" Dickhead.
Just to point out this was a live radio show at 1pm on a Saturday afternoon, hence them not saying the C word. We love the word usually just not allowed to be broadcast before 9pm
The C word is kind of a weird one in England. It is like a term of endearment between friends but can also be seen as very offensive if said in anger at someone. A lot of TV shows will still bleep it out. When I was a kid, Johnny rotten said it live on ‘I’m a celebrity’ and there was lots of uproar after that
Mandy, regarding Feeder: The rockbusters clue might be where you caught on to the name, but they had also been playing it nearly every week on the XFM shows before that rockbusters clue as well! As for whether they're worth listening to, it's been a long time but they had a few songs when I was younger I liked a fair bit. The track "Just The Way I'm Feeling" is probably their most popular and my favourite. I think you would probably like their track "Just A Day" most though.
Easier way to imagine it is Pi. It's completely random, doesn't repeat and goes on forever so if you assigned letters to numbers, it by definition includes everything
Its all about space for the bonus features. A tape generally only has the film. Theres more data storage on a DVD. And in some cases, there is no room on the disc for all the special features, so they put it on a "bonus disc". You still get that on some blurays with lots of extra content. Lord of the Rings and Star Wars are classic examples, they have multiple discs of special features. Sometimes you had 2 tapes for some old longer movies like Titanic and The Godfather, as they were near 3 hours and couldn't fit on 1 tape
With regards to the prizes, if I remember rightly your average XFM listener at this time was not a rich person (I certainly wasn’t lol) I’m pretty sure they all accepted the terrible choice of prizes and took them down to the pawnshop the next day 😂
One issue with the infinity monkey theory is that it doesn't account for inherent restraints that do not change over time. For example, it is possible monkeys would prefer certain letters over others to such an extent that within a certain amount of letter selections monkeys would always need to use that letter again (e.g., they can't use more than a 100 different letters before using the letter B atleast once). If that preference is consistent and unalterable, it limits the amount of works they could produce because they must now adhere to a rule ("no more than 100 letters in succession without a single B"). Other than that, Karl is an orange :)
We are now halfway through Series 2 Mandy, taking into account that we are excluding the 'Best-of's', there are 24 remaining of this series. Feeder comes up a lot as did Richard Ashcroft. I guess it's just the way Ricky's feelin' :) Michael Jackson did do some cool videos - one of the best music video's I've ever witnessed was Smooth Criminal. Insanely good. Lori and Dori are indeed the conjoined twins that Ricky was mistakenly referring to as Molly and Dolly. 25:09 - Did you catch that on the song title I used Karls Rockbuster 'Him 'n' Him', before changing it to Eminem? :) Who whole Friends background thing was also sort of a tribute to the 3 boys here who, despite all the insults and stuff, were friends. Karl was brutal with Steve on this one with the Valentine question. Haha yikes!
It's been a busy few days but I finally had time to watch my favorite reactor doing my favorite show! eThe movies thing is possibly the greatest things he did on this show. It oozes Karl but is also REALLY good. Edited, directed and written by him on his free time. I know you haven't seen these two movies but he totally rewrote the whole scene and made it fit to his thoughts. DVD players for "regular people" didn't really become a thing before the PS2 came out. Sony owns the rights to the DVD format and they were selling every game system at a loss to make the DVD format a household thing. Also Xibit was an amazing rapper but he lost a lot of cred with PMR. Enough for him to "retire" from fame so I reckon he still won and I'm happy for him. The reason they have the same prizes every week is because it all comes from the discount bin of a record store where you'll usually find several copies. At this point nobody is giving this show any prizes to give away since they just relentlessly mock them every week.
The whole infinity thing is more to do with the nature of infinity rather than something that could actually be physically possible to do. While there is an extremely small chance that a chimp/ape could ever write or type anything correctly in its lifetime, infinity will always be more than any probability you give. So it's still strictly accurate. But that's still interesting to hear multiple takes on it. Absolutely hilarious how mad Karl makes Ricky with this. 😂
It's only meant to be a thought experiment to explain randomness over time. Too many taking it far too literally. 😂 With the recent debunking they said the universe would end before it could happen. They did the math on if it was likely but missed the point. There are different versions too... one is an INFINITE number of monkeys typing, which takes it to another level . Thanks Mandy. 😊
I vividly remember buying my first DVD, it was the South Park movie sometime around 2001. I forget how fast they blew up over here but I don’t think they had quite overtaken everything yet by this point.
1:00:11 Here in the UK, I remember my friends in sixth form getting the first DVDs in around 1999, and I got my first DVDs in 2002, they took a bit of time to become mainstream
The monkey theorem - it's not a matter of opinion, not about if Karl or Mandy believes or not, it's a mathematical fact. The study that BBC reported on agreed it would happen in an infinite amount of time but we would not have an infinite amount of time before the end of the universe for it practically to happen, but that was not the point. The theorem said an infinite amount of time regardless of the lifetime of the universe, or an infinite amount of monkeys trying once each. The guy mailing the Ricky Gervais show saying he had an A-level in maths, of course the probability would approach 100% until the difference is a negligible amount from 100%, that's the case with everything without a constant number, all estimates, and you could get it as close too 100% as you want by extending the amount of time close to infinity, causing a difference from 100% that is infinitely small. So Ricky is correct.
Even with an infinite amount of time it could never happen.. They would have to have exactly the same evolution and history as humans.. They would evolve in their own direction creating their own language and history.. Even with humans if Shakespeare was never born or was killed before he wrote the plays it could never happen because there would be other writers producing their own works.. The plays would never have been written..
After his performance portraying Dustin Hoffman in The Graduate, I'd love to see Karl performing in a genuine romantic scene with a woman, where he has to be charming and essentially "rizz her up". I think it would be an incredible experience to witness.
Okay I'm calling bullshit on your claim that the c word is like any other word in America and has no real importance I have seen enough Americans say it has, maybe not in Argentina but certainly America.
Youve got England mixed up with America when it comes to the C word, theyre super offended by it, we're just not allowed to use it on media, especially a day time radio show haha
The monkey thing is definitely true. Why? Because It's already happened. Think about it, six million years ago, there were only monkeys. They were left for an infinite amount of time. They evolved into humans who created civilisation, culture, typewriters, and went on to write everything ever written. Including Shakespeare.
I get the infinity problem. Yes on the one hand its possible however if the monkeys did manage to achieve wroting Shakespeare. Then that goal has been achieved and therefore ends which shuts down infinity. As infinity goes on forever. Its just the way its worded is weird
Those 'debunkings' completely misunderstand the point, just like Karl. If a chimp has a one in a billion billion chance of typing a random coherent sentence then in an infinite amount of time he will type it an infinite number of times because the 'number' infinity contains a billion billion to the power of infinity. The whole point is to demonstrate the concept of infinity, not to discover the odds of chimps actually doing it. It's embarassing if apparent academics can't grasp that. It's actually bugging me as much as Ricky now :P IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONKEYS. IT'S ABOUT INFINITY. It could just as easily have been 'in an infinite amount of time the wind would spell out the words 'Karl Pilkington has a head like an effing orange' in the Sahara Desert.'
I would guess that Michael Jackson having big hands was one of the reasons he used his hands quite a lot in his dance routines, or with the billie jean glove.
oueeerr.. it was around 1999 that DVDs started really taking off in the UK.. and then when the Playstation 2 was released (which had a built in DVD drive) the popularity exploded en masse. But you still needed VHS for recording off the telly On one of the rockbusters prize things I think Steve asks if that was the same copy of the CD as last week and Karl says he got a "job lot".. which means he got a load of the same CD cheap "Out on the tiles" means going out getting pissed up and partying 'til late! 🍺 I dunno it's probably from the tiles on dancefloors in discos or summut You can swing fish without spinning fish.. but you can't swing fish around your head without spinning fish? Erm.. but yeah nobody expected you to get that one PS: You should "dress up as a woman" more often, it suits you 😂
1:19:30 Mandy foreshadowing a not too future episode: To Quote: Karl: [REDACTED for spoilers] Ricky: What?! That's the end of it?![...] Karl: Why don't you like that? Ricky: wh- wh- because it's not a story! [REDACTED for spoilers] and That's the end of the story?! WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT?! Steve: Hang on, just calm down, let me check that he didn't make a mistake[...] Ricky: What do you mean he didn't make a mistake? Steve: [...] He may have left out a fundamental piece of information.. Ricky: What, the story?
The c word being bad depends on context. It is reserved for someone who is really unpleasant and most women seem to really hate it. On the other hand a group of mates might use it jokingly, like if someone messes up you could say " you dozy c**t" and it would be ok.
The infinite monkey debate is a bit tedious. It isn't a mathematical theorem which can be proved it is simply a thought experiment to illustrate the idea that in an infinite universe, with an infinite amount of time and a random process everything that can happen will happen. The monkeys take the role of a random process in the thought experiment.
Don't Mandy, you're not alone. Even though i don't take Karl's position, i agree it might be theoretically possible for the monkeys to type Shakespeare, i think it would be unlikely to happen, even in infinity. I'm glad you loved Karl in a film again, plenty more of those still to come.
@@Lily33McC "The experts" did not say that. Some scientist said that the universe would end before they'd right it, showing they don't understand what "infinite amount of time" means. Also, the scientist did not give the same reason Karl did. Karl misunderstood it entirely and thought it had to do with monkeys being able to understand Shakespeare.
@@bradders9743 If you really think Karl believes that about monkeys knowing the works of Shakespeare then you don’t understand comedy - he’s saying it to make people laugh!
The whole point of the infinite time if it’s a outcome of chance then infinite time would fix that if it’s 1 in quintillion it would happen, let’s move the goal post, could an infinite amount of monkeys with an infinite typewriters write a Garfield panel? Could it smash the keyboard and write the word “and” infinity lets the chances play out
Don’t feel bad for thinking that about “I’ve got wood”, it was definitely intended as a double entendre. 😅 One thing I think this feature shows is how creative Karl actually is, which we also see in his books and drawings of course. I thought the name of his production company - “rounded productions” (rounded as in, in Karl’s accent, “round ‘ead”) - was genius!
Mandy, you are being really ignorant here if you are agreeing with Karl on the infinite monkey theory. As Ricky said, the word ‘infinity’ sorts it all out for you. That one key word moves it from being anything such as unlikely/50-50/probable/possible etc, to definite.
Re: The Australian mathematicians that "debunked" the infinite monkeys thing. It really irritated me. The source I read even said ,"Karl Pilkington vindicated". Nothing of the sort. They were working on the idea that it was 1 monkey. Well that's not how it's usually put. It's usually infinite monkeys. They said it would likely take that monkey "longer than the lifespan of the universe". How they know the lifespan of the universe is one thing, but my first thought is "So?" We're talking about infinite time. No finite number comes into the equation. Then they did the calculations with 200,000 (the number of chimps on earth) and concluded they still wouldn't have time. WHAT DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE WORD INFINITE? 1 or 200k, it doesn't make a difference. These are numbers. We are talking about infinity. Remarkably Mandy, you predicted exactly what my mother said. I tried to explain this to her once, and after about 20 infuriating minutes, she said, without irony "Not Shakespeare though... Maybe Dickens". 🤬🤬🤬
You're happy you get to share it, and we're happy and blessed you decided to share it. The wonderful world of Mandy. Glad to know you. With their skit from the movie, funny: "Bought her c ondoms." "I got wood." "Pass me a hanger." (For the question "How's it hanging?") And then Mandy's "He inserted." Doesn't get any better than that. 😂 Since they mentioned the band, there is a Christian radio station in my area (it's part of a national Christian radio network) that used to play the song "Breathe" by Six Pence None The Richer. Nice song.
@@corncob2183 no Karl was correct. Ricky said it was fact and would happen. Karl wasn’t having any of it. Now its proven not to be true and would never happen.
@@IreZico They did not prove anything and he was not correct. It is not the end of a life or even end of the universe the key word is infinite which means infinite which explains itself
“Anyway, get your knickers off” kills me every time 😂😂😂 the ‘Karl in a film’ feature is the one time over the course of the series you can tell he has talent for his actual job in editing and production
If there was an infinite number of Karls and infinite number of monkeys i bet the monkeys would understand the theorem first
The monkey thing wasn't debunked, the claim is basically the universe would end before they did it, but that's not infinity
Yeah someone added a realistically finite amount of time and/or monkeys to the equation which will obviously ruin it.
Yeah ricky is actually correct when he says "infinity sorts it out", although he's putting it incredibly simply for Karl. It always makes me laugh when the listener kid emails in to say he has an A-level in statistics, as if that makes him the expert lol.
BBC news is very clickbait these days. The study didn't debunk it at all.
Any finite sequence, no matter how long (makes no difference), will appear in an infinite random selection.
Scott Coomer (sp?) doesn't know what he's talking about.
Exactly. It's like saying "There can't be one person who always lies and one who always tells the truth!"
Irrelevant semantics/nitpicking, sort of the same thing Karl does every time it's brought up, only dressed up more nicely. Actually, Karl's "Have they read Shakespeare" might be less stupid than those scientists' arguments.
And to Mandy's point, it's never presented as a "possible" scenario.
The thing that everyone is forgetting about the report is that the people in question said specifically that the concept is mathematically true, but nobody seems to address that when arguing Karl is right lol
Yeah the Scott Coomer thing always makes me laugh. He talks as if he's an authority on the subject because of an A-level lol.
I love the thought of Susan sitting in her office with the radio on surrounded by her colleagues and her Christmas presents or physical features come up and she's just sitting there hiding her head in her hands
HAHAHHAHA! Great image! 🤣
Susan? Seriously?
@andrewmay1299 Suzanne then, sorry I was to tired🤣
36:34 “Too many chefs spoil the broth” - Ricky changed chefs to chimps
And Karl changed Cooks to Chefs 😅
Soup as well
50:54 😮 Well I wasn't expecting that from you especially on a UA-cam video, that was Hot🤣
Lmao 🤣
“But not… not Shakespeare” is one of my favourite quotes. Three gently uttered, simple, innocent words trigger Ricky to detonate like a nuclear bomb.
And rightly so. As it shows such a lack of understanding of basic logic.
@@andrewmay1299 I was thinking of that. I recon I could explain it to him.
I’d start with a die, and he would understand that there is a 1 in 6 chance to roll a 1. Thus, a 1 is expected every 6 rolls on average.
With two dice, rolling 1 and 2 would need 36 rolls.
With 6 dice rolling 1 2 3 4 5 6 would need 46,656 rolls. Easy.
Now change to a 32 sided die with letters and puncuation marks. How many rolls to spell cat? Same logic. 30,720
How many rolls to spell “Pilkington”? “I have a dream!” The lyrics of “Killing of Georgie”? The complete works of Shakespeare?
I recon if you took the monkey out of the equation and replaced it with a mindless random number generator, he would get it.
The problem with using monkeys is that Karl thinks monkeys rob banks, drive to Spain, and drink brandy.
OHHHH SHUT UP
You’ll be pleased to know they drop the sound effects. There are still some absolute classic rockbusters still to come.
28:01 get yer nickers off😂😂😂 Reminds me of the animated series where harry went to war and Karl was a house wife
Your spelling beggars belief. I’m not sure you should be allowed access to UA-cam.
Nickers? Really?
@andrewmay1299 Andrew it was 8pm I had been working all day I had just smoked a joint and I'm bilingual and tend to get confused with English and it's stupid silent work bs, I bet I could beat you in an English or Italian spelling B
@andrewmay1299 and after looking at your other comments I'm beginning to think you are a Testa di cazzo, calling Mandy ignorant for having an opinion is pretty ignorant in it's self so besides being a massive bellend you are a hypocritical massive bellend
There was actually a podcast I heard when they interviewed the Dicky-Dicker-Dander Dickmeister. He got to tell his story. Fascinating. Nice guy
feeder, do we need 'em?
They were so propped up during this time period and then no one ever listened to them again lol
I worked at a radio station when I was younger and we used to get sent piles of free DVDs and CDs for promotional purposes, all the latest releases. It was probably the same at XFM
Re: DVD extras. 2003 was at that peak time when companies would compete with each other for how many extras they could stuff onto a DVD. Deleted scenes, bloopers, cast and/or directors commentary etc.
And yes, even older movies had this stuff. Even after the final edit of a movie, in most cases, the original reels still exist which contain all the stuff that got cut out. And they would often get the old cast and crew together to record new features for the DVD.
The only reason we didn't get to see it before is because they just didn't have a financial motivation to release it.
But DVDs were a sales phenomenon at this time, I myself was buying at least 3 a week. And one of the biggest incentives for doing so, especially movies that I already had on VHS, was the extra stuff. It really was an unexpected secondary windfall for studios.
It's shocking that Karl had to spend his own money for prizes, but I'm still stunned he thought a VHS was a good prize in 2003 when many people were getting rid of their VCRs at that time. 😅
The infinite monkeys thing hasn't been "debunked". Some scientists made some irrelevant semantics argument based on the fact that they seem to have misunderstood the problem/scenario.
They basically said, "There can't be an infinite amount of monkeys/typewriters, or a monkey who lives for an infinite amount of time", which is beyond stupid.
I think the point they made was that the universe is more likely to end before the monkey with the infinite amount of time would type the complete works of Shakespeare.
However, as you say, it’s a nonsense misinterpretation of the problem at hand, and presumably the phrase ‘with an infinite amount of time’ overrides the event of the universe ending anyway.
Ricky is still correct here. The person with an A-level in statistics who emailed in is incorrect. Not as incorrect as Karl, but still incorrect.
@@andrewmay1299 Exactly, it still wouldn't work. The condition of the hypothetical is that they have an infinite amount of time, and if the universe ends, there wouldn't be an infinite amount of time. They're basically saying "if we change the hypothetical, it wouldn't work".
@@andrewmay1299and let’s not forget, they have worked from an error in their calculations.
They have worked from the premise that there is only ONE monkey with an infinite amount of time.
The original premise is that there are an infinite amount of monkeys with an infinite amount of time.
However I do get the point about one monkey with an infinite amount of time, yet somehow they are saying the universe will end at a certain point, how do they know this and can they provide evidence?
And ofc it’s logically inconsistent with the concept even if it were one monkey.
The premise is that the monkey has an infinite amount of time.
They are trying to finalise a mathematical concept into reality, well ofc it would not work because even if you could get one monkey to jab at a keyboard in real time in the real world it would be dead in a few decades.
The funny thing with the Karl in Film feature is that if you've not seen the film that Karl appears in, The Graduate for example, and you do eventually watch the film afterwards when you get to the scene that Karl appeared in you won't be able to not think of him while watching it
I'm amazed that Karl didn't realize that new prints of movies (e.g. for DVD) are taken from the original print, and that print is of a dramatically better quality than the VHS. Seems like a strange miss for someone who works in production.
It reminds me of when I was manager of a record shop in the early 00s. It was the day that the very first Harry Potter move came out at the cinema. This big guy walked into the shop in the mid afternoon, walked past everything, slammed £20 on the counter and said "Harry Potter, DVD, 1 of."
I said it wouldn't be out on DVD for some time. He became aggressive. His eyes bulged and his traps seemed to inflate. "I'VE JUST SEEN IT MATE!" He bellowed.
I said if he's just seen it, he should've bought it. "WHADDYA MEAN? I COME 'ERE TO BUY IT!" I was confused. I thought he meant he'd just seen the DVD somewhere. I asked him where he'd seen it. "AT THE CINEMA!"
I slumped. And told him that movies don't come out on home video, on any format, on the same day of cinema release, and that it wouldn't be available to buy for months.
"HOW COME THEY'VE GOT IT THEN?"
"Who?"
"THE CINEMA!!"
"... They don't just put on a DVD. They don't go out and buy a DVD that morning and put it on."
An argument ensued as I tried to explain to him how a cinema works, as well as the financial model of the movie industry. I don't think it sunk in. Because the next thing he said was;
"So I have to go and tell my kiddies that you won't give me the DVD because of some stupid f**king law?"
I sighed, and spoke slowly and clearly: "There's no law. The DVD literally doesn't exist yet. If you want to see it, you have to see it at the cinema. The DVD will go into production probably next year. I can't sell it to you yet because it doesn't yet exist. Okay?"
He motioned like he was going to spit in my face but thought better of it before sliding his twenty angrily off the counter and storming out, shouting "C*NTS!" as he exited the shop.
I few weeks later he came in with a pirated CD-R with HARRY POTTER written on it in Sharpie, waved it in my face and said "WHAT'S THIS THEN?"
Dickhead.
Your smile and laugh makes me happy Mandy!
Just the Way I'm Feeling was a pretty big Feeder hit that's worth a listen.
Just to point out this was a live radio show at 1pm on a Saturday afternoon, hence them not saying the C word. We love the word usually just not allowed to be broadcast before 9pm
The wood thing was an intentional joke. It was obvious innuendo 😅
The C word is kind of a weird one in England. It is like a term of endearment between friends but can also be seen as very offensive if said in anger at someone. A lot of TV shows will still bleep it out. When I was a kid, Johnny rotten said it live on ‘I’m a celebrity’ and there was lots of uproar after that
It is not a term of endearment at all lol
@ is amongst my friends. Wouldn’t use it on a stranger though
The fabled De Trout Spinners clue lol and then that Born Slippy audioclip that haunts me.
Mandy, regarding Feeder: The rockbusters clue might be where you caught on to the name, but they had also been playing it nearly every week on the XFM shows before that rockbusters clue as well!
As for whether they're worth listening to, it's been a long time but they had a few songs when I was younger I liked a fair bit. The track "Just The Way I'm Feeling" is probably their most popular and my favourite. I think you would probably like their track "Just A Day" most though.
Lori and George died this year aged 62.
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Easier way to imagine it is Pi. It's completely random, doesn't repeat and goes on forever so if you assigned letters to numbers, it by definition includes everything
I was thinking that, somewhere within Pi is the complete works of Shakespear
Its all about space for the bonus features. A tape generally only has the film. Theres more data storage on a DVD. And in some cases, there is no room on the disc for all the special features, so they put it on a "bonus disc". You still get that on some blurays with lots of extra content. Lord of the Rings and Star Wars are classic examples, they have multiple discs of special features. Sometimes you had 2 tapes for some old longer movies like Titanic and The Godfather, as they were near 3 hours and couldn't fit on 1 tape
It's crazy all of the things Karl thinks chimps can do, when he won't accept that one could accidentally type out Shakespeare.
Hahahah, good point 🤣
With regards to the prizes, if I remember rightly your average XFM listener at this time was not a rich person (I certainly wasn’t lol) I’m pretty sure they all accepted the terrible choice of prizes and took them down to the pawnshop the next day 😂
One issue with the infinity monkey theory is that it doesn't account for inherent restraints that do not change over time. For example, it is possible monkeys would prefer certain letters over others to such an extent that within a certain amount of letter selections monkeys would always need to use that letter again (e.g., they can't use more than a 100 different letters before using the letter B atleast once). If that preference is consistent and unalterable, it limits the amount of works they could produce because they must now adhere to a rule ("no more than 100 letters in succession without a single B").
Other than that, Karl is an orange :)
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We are now halfway through Series 2 Mandy, taking into account that we are excluding the 'Best-of's', there are 24 remaining of this series.
Feeder comes up a lot as did Richard Ashcroft. I guess it's just the way Ricky's feelin' :)
Michael Jackson did do some cool videos - one of the best music video's I've ever witnessed was Smooth Criminal. Insanely good.
Lori and Dori are indeed the conjoined twins that Ricky was mistakenly referring to as Molly and Dolly.
25:09 - Did you catch that on the song title I used Karls Rockbuster 'Him 'n' Him', before changing it to Eminem? :)
Who whole Friends background thing was also sort of a tribute to the 3 boys here who, despite all the insults and stuff, were friends.
Karl was brutal with Steve on this one with the Valentine question. Haha yikes!
It's been a busy few days but I finally had time to watch my favorite reactor doing my favorite show!
eThe movies thing is possibly the greatest things he did on this show. It oozes Karl but is also REALLY good. Edited, directed and written by him on his free time. I know you haven't seen these two movies but he totally rewrote the whole scene and made it fit to his thoughts.
DVD players for "regular people" didn't really become a thing before the PS2 came out. Sony owns the rights to the DVD format and they were selling every game system at a loss to make the DVD format a household thing. Also Xibit was an amazing rapper but he lost a lot of cred with PMR. Enough for him to "retire" from fame so I reckon he still won and I'm happy for him.
The reason they have the same prizes every week is because it all comes from the discount bin of a record store where you'll usually find several copies. At this point nobody is giving this show any prizes to give away since they just relentlessly mock them every week.
The whole infinity thing is more to do with the nature of infinity rather than something that could actually be physically possible to do. While there is an extremely small chance that a chimp/ape could ever write or type anything correctly in its lifetime, infinity will always be more than any probability you give. So it's still strictly accurate. But that's still interesting to hear multiple takes on it. Absolutely hilarious how mad Karl makes Ricky with this. 😂
It's only meant to be a thought experiment to explain randomness over time. Too many taking it far too literally. 😂
With the recent debunking they said the universe would end before it could happen. They did the math on if it was likely but missed the point.
There are different versions too... one is an INFINITE number of monkeys typing, which takes it to another level . Thanks Mandy. 😊
I vividly remember buying my first DVD, it was the South Park movie sometime around 2001. I forget how fast they blew up over here but I don’t think they had quite overtaken everything yet by this point.
1:00:11 Here in the UK, I remember my friends in sixth form getting the first DVDs in around 1999, and I got my first DVDs in 2002, they took a bit of time to become mainstream
The monkey theorem - it's not a matter of opinion, not about if Karl or Mandy believes or not, it's a mathematical fact. The study that BBC reported on agreed it would happen in an infinite amount of time but we would not have an infinite amount of time before the end of the universe for it practically to happen, but that was not the point. The theorem said an infinite amount of time regardless of the lifetime of the universe, or an infinite amount of monkeys trying once each. The guy mailing the Ricky Gervais show saying he had an A-level in maths, of course the probability would approach 100% until the difference is a negligible amount from 100%, that's the case with everything without a constant number, all estimates, and you could get it as close too 100% as you want by extending the amount of time close to infinity, causing a difference from 100% that is infinitely small. So Ricky is correct.
Right? Lol. The article states its impractical, but the situation isn't supposed to be practical, it's infinite
Even with an infinite amount of time it could never happen.. They would have to have exactly the same evolution and history as humans.. They would evolve in their own direction creating their own language and history.. Even with humans if Shakespeare was never born or was killed before he wrote the plays it could never happen because there would be other writers producing their own works.. The plays would never have been written..
@@wateronglassBut not… not Shakespeare
I’m sure next week is either they go to the golden globes or its the American office but they blame Rockbusters for their absence,its hilarious
Feeders greatest hits is fire. Probably came out a couple of years after this pod
this is one of the best episodes 😂❤
Feeder songs worth checking out... buck rogers, just a day, come back around, just the way I'm feeling. Probably some others too lol
After his performance portraying Dustin Hoffman in The Graduate, I'd love to see Karl performing in a genuine romantic scene with a woman, where he has to be charming and essentially "rizz her up". I think it would be an incredible experience to witness.
Okay I'm calling bullshit on your claim that the c word is like any other word in America and has no real importance I have seen enough Americans say it has, maybe not in Argentina but certainly America.
Youve got England mixed up with America when it comes to the C word, theyre super offended by it, we're just not allowed to use it on media, especially a day time radio show haha
Feeder is good, I discovered a lot of great music from this show to be fair innit
The monkey thing is definitely true. Why? Because It's already happened. Think about it, six million years ago, there were only monkeys. They were left for an infinite amount of time. They evolved into humans who created civilisation, culture, typewriters, and went on to write everything ever written. Including Shakespeare.
I like your reasoning lol
Genius 😂
Wahay! It's XFM Friday!
Th whole chimp thing....if you have an infinite amount of time to do smithing, you are removing the possibility of failure
I get the infinity problem. Yes on the one hand its possible however if the monkeys did manage to achieve wroting Shakespeare. Then that goal has been achieved and therefore ends which shuts down infinity. As infinity goes on forever. Its just the way its worded is weird
That BBC report was nonsense. They basically said it wouldn't work if it wasn't infinite 🤪
Told ya, "infinite" is the issue 🤣
Those 'debunkings' completely misunderstand the point, just like Karl. If a chimp has a one in a billion billion chance of typing a random coherent sentence then in an infinite amount of time he will type it an infinite number of times because the 'number' infinity contains a billion billion to the power of infinity. The whole point is to demonstrate the concept of infinity, not to discover the odds of chimps actually doing it. It's embarassing if apparent academics can't grasp that. It's actually bugging me as much as Ricky now :P IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONKEYS. IT'S ABOUT INFINITY. It could just as easily have been 'in an infinite amount of time the wind would spell out the words 'Karl Pilkington has a head like an effing orange' in the Sahara Desert.'
50:54 Go Mandy🥳
1:02 That's Chris Tucker for me 🥲
I would guess that Michael Jackson having big hands was one of the reasons he used his hands quite a lot in his dance routines, or with the billie jean glove.
Yeah Feeder are a good band and they were pretty big at the time.
Feeder are a great band.. Definitely check out their albums "comfort in sound" "echo park" and "pushing the senses"
Never thought I'd see the day you said my favourite C word
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14:50 you remembered my name Mandy, I feel honoured and blessed 🥲😊
That Born Slippy clue is by far the most disturbing clue ever.
oueeerr.. it was around 1999 that DVDs started really taking off in the UK.. and then when the Playstation 2 was released (which had a built in DVD drive) the popularity exploded en masse. But you still needed VHS for recording off the telly
On one of the rockbusters prize things I think Steve asks if that was the same copy of the CD as last week and Karl says he got a "job lot".. which means he got a load of the same CD cheap
"Out on the tiles" means going out getting pissed up and partying 'til late! 🍺 I dunno it's probably from the tiles on dancefloors in discos or summut
You can swing fish without spinning fish.. but you can't swing fish around your head without spinning fish? Erm.. but yeah nobody expected you to get that one
PS: You should "dress up as a woman" more often, it suits you 😂
1:19:30 Mandy foreshadowing a not too future episode:
To Quote:
Karl: [REDACTED for spoilers]
Ricky: What?! That's the end of it?![...]
Karl: Why don't you like that?
Ricky: wh- wh- because it's not a story! [REDACTED for spoilers] and That's the end of the story?! WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT?!
Steve: Hang on, just calm down, let me check that he didn't make a mistake[...]
Ricky: What do you mean he didn't make a mistake?
Steve: [...] He may have left out a fundamental piece of information..
Ricky: What, the story?
I love that outburst. And Karl’s perplexed innocent confusion over Ricky gets irate.
Yes, Mandy did foreshadow. That’s so cool. I hope she’ll remember it when the episode comes out
The c word being bad depends on context. It is reserved for someone who is really unpleasant and most women seem to really hate it. On the other hand a group of mates might use it jokingly, like if someone messes up you could say " you dozy c**t" and it would be ok.
The infinite monkey debate is a bit tedious. It isn't a mathematical theorem which can be proved it is simply a thought experiment to illustrate the idea that in an infinite universe, with an infinite amount of time and a random process everything that can happen will happen. The monkeys take the role of a random process in the thought experiment.
I wish my mum and dad had this radio on in the car rather than Radio 1. To be fair, my mum n dad let me watch Goodfellas when I was about 9.
I’d imagine that other than this two hours a week, the rest of the week you’d certainly rather be listening to Radio 1 than XFM. 😬
Have they read Shakespeare 😂😂😂
..when you find "the one", you will want to do everything together..
If a reactor had an infinite amount of time to watch comedy would they ever get to finish their list and when would they watch Red Dwarf? 🤔😇
Born slippy and de trout spinners 😭
And Smerch wants to retire Rockbusters! Lol
@@MandyCaneLanehahaha he can’t, Karl won’t let him 😂
You said life time? In the the question they wouldn't die. The monkey thing.
Is it now that I own up to having a shirt that looks exactly like Smerch's??
Hey Mandy, do you know of horrible histories. Would love to see you react to it, i wonder if you would enjoy it. It's a gem over here in England.
XFM Friday 🎉🎉
Don't Mandy, you're not alone. Even though i don't take Karl's position, i agree it might be theoretically possible for the monkeys to type Shakespeare, i think it would be unlikely to happen, even in infinity.
I'm glad you loved Karl in a film again, plenty more of those still to come.
The experts recently backed Karl up and they said it wouldn’t happen. 😂 Who’s the idiot now Ricky?!
@@Lily33McC "The experts" did not say that. Some scientist said that the universe would end before they'd right it, showing they don't understand what "infinite amount of time" means. Also, the scientist did not give the same reason Karl did. Karl misunderstood it entirely and thought it had to do with monkeys being able to understand Shakespeare.
The experts also said it was mathematically true conceptually, which is the thing you Karl guys just want to ignore.
If you think it would be ‘unlikely to happen, even in infinity’ then you don’t understand what infinity means.
@@bradders9743 If you really think Karl believes that about monkeys knowing the works of Shakespeare then you don’t understand comedy - he’s saying it to make people laugh!
The whole point of the infinite time if it’s a outcome of chance then infinite time would fix that if it’s 1 in quintillion it would happen, let’s move the goal post, could an infinite amount of monkeys with an infinite typewriters write a Garfield panel? Could it smash the keyboard and write the word “and” infinity lets the chances play out
Today MJ's pronouns would be He He.
I'll get my coat.
Hahahahha! That was so silly, I actually giggled. Wasn't expecting it 🤭
Karl in Kes is amazing
You heard plenty of C bombs on the animated show.
OOH, CHIMPANZEE THAT!
I noticed nobody says anything when Karl's being mean to people
To me Karl seems to be the most normal 'famous' person ive come across. But hes known as sort of the opposite . Weird innit
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Early Feeder was really good but the drummer died and the music was very different after, still pretty good but not the same.
Funny thing is I got Born Slippy. That is worrying.
I need this today. 😔
You know what they say about guys with big hands.. 😏
Big gloves 🧤
Don’t feel bad for thinking that about “I’ve got wood”, it was definitely intended as a double entendre. 😅
One thing I think this feature shows is how creative Karl actually is, which we also see in his books and drawings of course. I thought the name of his production company - “rounded productions” (rounded as in, in Karl’s accent, “round ‘ead”) - was genius!
mandy, i like your reactions! but why do you look so upset when they talk about conjoined twins? 😂
Mandy, you are being really ignorant here if you are agreeing with Karl on the infinite monkey theory.
As Ricky said, the word ‘infinity’ sorts it all out for you. That one key word moves it from being anything such as unlikely/50-50/probable/possible etc, to definite.
Pimp my ride screwed people over, they didnt really fix peoples cars.
you have probably heard buck rogers by feeder
Re: The Australian mathematicians that "debunked" the infinite monkeys thing. It really irritated me. The source I read even said ,"Karl Pilkington vindicated". Nothing of the sort.
They were working on the idea that it was 1 monkey. Well that's not how it's usually put. It's usually infinite monkeys. They said it would likely take that monkey "longer than the lifespan of the universe".
How they know the lifespan of the universe is one thing, but my first thought is "So?" We're talking about infinite time. No finite number comes into the equation.
Then they did the calculations with 200,000 (the number of chimps on earth) and concluded they still wouldn't have time.
WHAT DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE WORD INFINITE? 1 or 200k, it doesn't make a difference. These are numbers. We are talking about infinity.
Remarkably Mandy, you predicted exactly what my mother said. I tried to explain this to her once, and after about 20 infuriating minutes, she said, without irony "Not Shakespeare though... Maybe Dickens".
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A pillock is an archaic British insult meaning idiot.
Monkeys with an infinite amount of time, will just go into an infinite loop and will deliberately not type Shakespeare. Fact!
You're happy you get to share it, and we're happy and blessed you decided to share it. The wonderful world of Mandy. Glad to know you.
With their skit from the movie, funny: "Bought her c ondoms." "I got wood." "Pass me a hanger." (For the question "How's it hanging?") And then Mandy's "He inserted." Doesn't get any better than that. 😂
Since they mentioned the band, there is a Christian radio station in my area (it's part of a national Christian radio network) that used to play the song "Breathe" by Six Pence None The Richer. Nice song.
Even back then, Ricky was doing cringe material about trans people...
he’s not exactly wrong lol, you CAN tell from the hands
Funny how only recently aswell They have proven that the infinite amount of monkeys typing Shakespeare would never happen proving Karl correct again 😂
You mean Karl was incorrect again
@@corncob2183 no Karl was correct. Ricky said it was fact and would happen. Karl wasn’t having any of it. Now its proven not to be true and would never happen.
@@IreZico They did not prove anything and he was not correct. It is not the end of a life or even end of the universe the key word is infinite which means infinite which explains itself
@@corncob2183 i suggest you go look it up then cause you sounding like Ricky now
Have they read shakespeare?
Baby splatting? No Mandy.
Good band name though.
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