1989 Force Gamefisher 9.9 hp troubleshooting stalling Overheating, testing water Fishing minitruck
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- Опубліковано 4 вер 2024
- Picked up a 1989 Force 9.9 horsepower same as the Sears gamefisher that needed work, the motor would stall after it ran a little while. The person I bought it from tried everything gave up and sold it for $300.
I check over entire engine and lower unit, water pump? Fuel pump for issues and it may have been the simplest thing!
Runs perfect now, so did some Bass fishing with VEE! Then stopped at Jersey Mikes for a decent chain Sub.
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The simple pleasure of pottering about in boats on a calm sunny day. So enjoyable. The moment when you ran a little quick and got that slight plane with the water sloping up off the stern took me right back to my dad's zodiac. A 9hp motor can push a little boat along pretty darn well.
You guys are a barrel of laughs. Real life adventures, with some of the dumb things that happen to us all. (Lilly pads in the prop, sometimes having to row back (I now have a trolling motor and rarely go beyond its range) etc. Don’t you ever have a bearing go out on the trailer? I did on my last two trips with two different trailers. Maybe I should keepem greased, eh? Changing bearings in parking lots and along the roads is such a blast….worth the extra trouble to have vivid memories of the trip. Happy trails, and thanks for being real.
Haha. Thanks. Yes, I've had bearings go out on trailers before but not in a while now.
OMG! Mini is going amphibious ! That awesome!
This is my buddys and mine old force! Happy to see someone enjoying it! We spent countless days toying with it. Thanks for the video 👍
You guys were close to getting it running good
I had a old 5hp Sears and Rareback that had fuel issues. Problem dirty carb due to old hose from gas tank. Had to carry a glove to keep from getting blister. Another great video Cheez. After Carbones Jersey Mike’s is nothing.
Man, nice I had a 9.9 Force on a 12ft boat, I had to replace the water pump once, you should have replaced your pump while apart !
I probably should have....
Nice little motor once you get it all shook out. Perfect for that little boat. Yeah, the Carbones' sammich looked gobs more gooder. And, fish on !! Gotta love it.
Me n Vee going to Corbones tomorrow. I'm getting the BIG one this time 😁
Love when a plan comes together! Poor mini she wanted to go on the boat and fish. Good work cheesy! Hey if you take those pontoons off that old boat and attache them to mini you could float her then put paddles on her wheels! Lol great stuff! 👍🏻🛻
Did think about the pontoon thing 🤣😂
Glad you got the motor issues all sorted out. My first time out this spring I had the motor running great the day prior. Got to the lake, pulled and pulled. Forgot I had turned off the pet cock gas valve at the motor.
Ha. It's always the simplest thing!
Nice job 👍 troubleshooting the motor.
Nice catching bass even if there not monsters.
Great video very entertaining
Jersey Mikes is really good for a chain store....I love their Big Kahuna sub...I could never do Subway with their once slice of meat, one slice of cheese, and tons of salad sub....garbage....LOL.....glad you got that fuel issue worked out. Sometimes the trouble shooting takes a while, and in the end it is something simple.....makes it all worth it....as usual, great content, thanks.....
Almost bought the big Kahuna. Agreed Subway is trash. I didn't eat at subway for years and tried in in FL, it's still horrible.
"Now then, if you're followin' train tracks, you must be tryin' to catch a train, right?" 'ya ya, that makes good sense...Gee, thanks a lot, pal, thanks a lot!' - awesome reference to Bugs Bunny 'Fox By Proxy'! Me childhood, Keep it Cheez-y (...and cut his tail off!)
Cant believe anyone else got that reference , used to wake up at 8am sat morning to watch loony toons. Was watching with my baby grand daughter when i went to see her on vacation . Great real cartoons.
Yes!!!
Nice job you figured it out one thing at a time 👍🦞🦞😆
Of course the easiest most logical I did last. Hahahha
Omg I forgot what rain outside of Louisiana looks like, my boat would fill up like a pint if it rains here lol. You got balls going out there to test my bud lol
Love Jersey Mike’s subs ! Mmmmmmmm!!!!!
33:40 my favorite part lol good friends
Wow Cheez - looks like the fishies were hoppin in the boat! We like Jersey Mike's - you're spot on with "not bad for a chain" - some of the prices have gone up in recent months but you still get a decent sub for the amount paid. You're gonna have a visit from Mustie1 and get a talkin to if you keep up the small motor fixin and what not - great work - you're a much braver man than I with the carb parts on the seat of the boat in the water but then again you gotta do what you gotta do. I really think the history of the places you visit is really cool too.
Believe me. I was sweating taking the carb out on the boat! Mustie1 is welcome! 😁
Jersey Mikes is really good.....but that sandwich from Carbones...Damn dude that looked killer!!
Hey man this model / year does not have a thermostat (thermostats were added to models after 1992/1993). There should be two holes (look like nostrils) just below the lock/unlock handle. The water shoots out of there. I’ve had this outboard for almost 5 years and it runs strong.
Easy Peasy MotoCheezy! Enjoy the lake sir!
Thanks!
Good video MC.! Nice work on getting boat running, like you said it's always something. lol I know exactly what you mean.... I own one too..
Great trouble shooting
U are living the life. Great video.
Thanks. It was taken from an older video I did fon reference
It's in behind the exhaust port
That motor reminds me of a tecumseh motor i had. No matter what i did it ran horrible.. got me a predator motor for a hundo instead!
It's running mint now! We will see as time goes on
@@MotoCheez thats awesome its running great. One trick my old shop teacher taught us was to rub a dab of oil on the metal surface and press the gasket against it and then u will have a “diagram “ to cut out if ya will. But pressing agaist it works well too then its not soaked with oil.. we used Manila paper folders as gaskets back then lol. Good video again man!!
Oil, yes I've heard of that for tracing. Oil impregnate paper is what it is, manilla envelope in oil is a great idea!
Cheesy, those old tanks don't have a vent on the cap. The fuel hose with bulb acts as a siphon system.
A fuel pump kit, with new diaphragm, new hose and bulb, and new fuel hose connectors and either a new gas tank or loosening the cap will make it a bulletproof motor again
I've had it happen to me before, after running the motor for a minute and if all.ofnyour gaskets on the fuel pump, and the bulb, hose, and fuel connectors are all solid, it can actually draw a vacuum on the old tanks without vents and the fuel pump diaphragm can't overcome the negative pressure (or lack of pressure I should say)
I loosened the cap because I did notice there was no vent. The connections are sealed good. I've had that happen to me too.
Good Cheez!!!
Last of the Chrysler Force outboards after Bayliner bought them it needs to go deeper in the barrel
I knew you would fix it.
Was looking at hobi they have peddle kayaks that are kinda cool . Like to get out on the water and see the wildlife . They are a bit pricey around $3500. I remember when you could get a stand up jet ski for that.
Wow. Crazy price
Perfect number of Trailer Park Boys references . ☺👍
Chipotle chicken sub is awsome,kinda expensive but good.
Definitely will try
Pow! Right in tha kisser!
I’m sure you found it by now, but the thermostat is hiding under the rubber cover over the pee hole, right?
Yes, I believe so!
That would be the coolest if you could make Mini go in the water.
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Missing the gasket, I wouldn't have found that for a while.
They had the round gasket where the split should be. Diaphragm doesn't technically need a gasket.
I really do love The Home Depot but damn I need a nap 😴.
Hey Cheezy, what about putting a small roller on the end of Mini's box? I'm sure you can fabricate something.
Me and Vee were talking about a bunk style rack off the 2" reciever so I could keep the motor on and back in
I have an 1988 points. I wished I would have bought an 89 or older because they are solidstate ignition I tried to put solid adapter modules in it and seems out of timing.. 🤔
I didn't know that.
I like the Jersey Mike's chicken philly. Almost as good as the Penn Station chicken teriyaki.
Hmm. I'll have to try that
$300 is a pretty good price for that engine! If it's not spitting water it's probably because the thermostat is missing.. the thermostat is up top where the water comes out of those two holes. Sears wants $35 for your thermostat on your game fisher! You flushed yours clear so you're all set . It probably had a mud wasp nest in the thermostat.
OMC Johnson and Evinrude are identical engines except for different colors. OMC went bankrupt last January.
The weather people are wrong all the time now..
Simple gasket fixes the engine! Good catch..
Now that everything's all set you can spend a lot more time going out to get the bass! Those weeds that you keep getting caught in the water intake are called milfoil (not milf oil) and they're choking all the lakes in New Hampshire. They block the sunlight so that kills the things down below them that the 🐟 eat. Another great video thanks 🧀! Interesting story about the train..
So that's where the thermostat is... You have to remove the power head to get to it? Glad I cleared it out.
I didn't hear OMC went bankrupt.
Now on to the 69 Johnson 9.5 HP I picked up...
@@MotoCheez it's supposed to be attached to the thing with two holes in it where the water pisses out. It's in there somewhere.. and you and your Johnson's my God!
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I wish you'd review the Honda super cub or the trail 125...
If I ever get a chance I will.
The carb need to be cleaned/ rebuilt would be my first guess when I here runs but shuts off but heat can do the same thing 👍👌✌️💯🥂
Carb was spotless. I believe it was the fuel pump mainly.
@@MotoCheez - Fuel pumps are such a pain if they are not put together properly, naturally. I have a couple of friends that had Force 9.9s. They were great motors for them. They both said they always had a extra fuel pump kit handy. Mercurys could be that way back then too. It’s such a simple mechanism, when it works, it works, but they just quit, bam, and you are rowing. Since I have gone to 4 strokes I haven’t had any issues, but they always seem like they are not running wide open and there’s a distinct difference fright from zero mph. The 2 strokes are pretty torque laden. The 4 strokes are expensive too. I have a 90 Merc on my Pontoon, 3 years old or so, 15 Merc on my 14’ Lund and it should be a 25. The 25 hp will get me around at up to 20 mph just fine, but even one other person cuts that down to 15 mph. A 25 hp should push us at up to 25 mph. I just bought a Marlon 10 foot Jon boat and put a Yamaha 2.5 hp motor on it. Works very well. Should pull a water skier at about 45 mph,,,,,,, hahahaaha. It pushes me and the 15 lb dog at about 11 kph or 8 mph, but that’s the speed limit on several of the lakes I fish on, and some are pure electric motors only so it’s perfect!! 51” wide bottom so really stable. My nephew likes my Lund so he may get it as a present. He is 18, a good kid, loves outdoors and has a little 12 foot aluminum he put a deck on front and back. It looks almost professional. Has 2 consoles with individual slots for the tackle boxes etc. Makes for a bit of a heavy boat, but he has an old Evinrude 9.9 hp 2 stroke that he swears by. He even showed me plans on how I could develop my 14 ft boat!! Said he would do it for free if he could use my shop and tools to do it and I buy the materials, naturally. I think we will do it as a project, I will let him try it out and on his birthday next month, surprise him. We didn’t have kids so the nieces and nephews get spoiled a bit. He has never asked me for anything, ever. Just a very good kid. Typing this up, I convinced myself that he will get the boat for his 18th birthday!!! Haha. It’s on an EZ loader trailer. Yep!! I love my pontoon too much to go out in the 14 anymore!
So I think you have that motor almost figured out. Seems once you know the personality of your boat motor it will be very reliable for you. You are definitely a very intelligent fella. Impress me often! I’m not the brightest, but could farm and raise cattle very well and it left me with a good retirement. I like how simple your set up is with Mini, the boat, motor and winch to reload the boat!! One of the best simple set ups for fishing I have seen. I will use an ugly old flat deck 6x8 trailer I built when I learned to weld. It has seen different ideas come and go, but now it’s almost perfect. I can just launch from it as you would with a boat trailer and it works great,, buuuttt it’s a trailer and it’s a pain sometimes. My truck is too dumb tall to haul the boat in the back or on top of the canopy! Mini is the greatest!!
Sorry about the long comment. Just get going sometimes!! Haha. Oh yeah!! Got skunked fishing this morning!
Looks like you have enough experience with boats! Bad day fishing better than a good day at work they say
@@MotoCheez - Ten 4!!!
I hate the vacuum style pumps the rub always rips. 😇I always replace with a low pressure electric fuel pump but I usually do on generators never tryed a out board engine👍👌✌️💯🥂
The vacuum pumps do fail usually with age of course. Would be hard on something like this with no charging circuit.
I think access to the thermostat is right below the cowling release lever on the back of the motor. If u freeze the video at 4:38 u can see it below the lever. It has the 2 holes on the bottom side. There should be a screw u take out and the thermostat will be right there.
I'll have to look again. The 2 hole thing didn't look removable.
@@MotoCheez I had a Force 15hp and that's where mine was. I thought it might be the same for yours.
Good job bud
Why did you think you could all the way to the end of the lake?
I'm silly 😜
Worked on it for a week straight and didn’t replace plugs? What he do polish it?
He took a lot of it apart and back together. Fuel pump was missing the gasket lol
Been there, done that! 😉👎! Fuel pump is an easy fix though.
The motor will never pump water 4-5 " above the water level. It has to be submerged.
These impellers pump pretty high, on an I/O it has to pump almost 2 feet. I know it'll spray water 5 feet in the air too
How do you spend a week working on an engine and not check the plugs?
Late to the game but doesnt a lot/most of fuel connectors have a one way valve in them that closes off until said connector is plugged into the one on the engine? I don't think there was anything wrong with your new connector. But I think the top pee hole was still plugged and that the fuel issue was only the pump.
It was actually the primer which acts as a vent so the primer bulb has a hole in the end of it so when you push it your thumb blocks it and then it forces fuel into the intake. It's a strangest thing but that's how it works
Do you have a recommendation on parts? i inherited a pretty clean 9.9 gamefisher and its pretty clean but before i dive in I want to know where i can source parts.
I ended up finding the parts on eBay since they're so old
Prostate problems are HARD to diagnos in a little motor..".that's what she said"....stop and start, nothing coming out...sometimes can't start or stop....oh, try those nice 3"-4" rubber swim baits...maybe white or pink...I hear tell they better than spinners...later MOTO
They do work good. I didn't have any with me
Was your electricity on?
Yes! Been good since last video
Anyone know which is cylinder #1? I'm assuming the top. I'm working on one of these and stupidly removed both spark leads without paying attention. The lead is marked #1 but the cylinder isn't nor is it specified in the work shop manual.
Usually the top cylinder is #1. Hate when I do that too! Lol
For a second when you started the vid I thought your were going to make mini Amphibious. 😅 Now wouldn't that be cool if it was possible?😅
I wish. If the pontoon would hold it ... Be nice
What about the cookie? Solid 5?
Cookie was 5 to 6 😁
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Good afternoon, I'm looking for a propeller that there isn't anywhere. I forced 15hps if you have an extra one.
I don't. Sorry.
Whenever you sprayed water Into the line did it come back out of the line or somewhere else. I just had mine apart and sprayed water into the line and it came flying back out of a tiny hole near the line. Trying to find out if it’s supposed to be there or not
The water line the impellor hooks to?
@@MotoCheez yes. I have a pic of there was a way I could send it to you
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@@MotoCheez ok I just send a message to you on Facebook messenger. I appreciate it
Can you help me I bought a boat the motor that it come with is game fisher 9.9 pull started is stuck it
It won't pull over? Sized?
Hey Cheez ya know where I could get the light switch cable not sure if that's the right term but basically all my light switches for blinkers and headlight needa be replaced for my HAWK 250 preferably a better switch cluster than the stock?
I'm not exactly sure. But TXpowersports may carry it
Hello! I am curious as to what the tell tales at the back of your motor looks like when going down full speed. I’m working on a very similar motor 1980 Chrysler Sea King 15. I had the same problems with the fuel pump and the new fuel fittings. My motor seems to pump less water and overheat in forward gear when I give it throttle. I did a temperate scan and it read 221 degrees near the spark plugs which I think is way too hot.
221 is pretty hot. You did the impellor and thermostat? Water pumps out pretty hard when motor reved up pushing the boat.
@@MotoCheez My motor doesn’t have a thermostat but everything else seems the same. I heard this was a common problem on these Chrysler/force/Gamefisher. I ended up taking the powerhead and side exhaust cover and saw no obstruction.
Catch and release?
Yes. Catch and release.
I still think you should change the impeller..
The new one came in.
Where'd you find that ESOD lanyard? I may get one for my old Johnson, if the whole boat ever gets finished!
What ESOD lanyard?
@@MotoCheez That emergency shutoff on the motor, did it come with it or was that something you installed?
This came with the engine. I know they sell them on Amazon if you want to add to an outboard amzn.to/3zmiwYi
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Press 8 wait 2 seconds press 8 again. Repeat. You almost get the whole song.
Dude you’re missing the smiley face gasket…
Yep!
I didn't.knkw Jersey Mike's had cheese steaks. I'll have to go there.
Wasn't bad for a chain store.
@@MotoCheez where I live there's pretty much only chain stores. I'm not aware of any "Mom & Pop" sandwich shops.
Dayum. That's crazy
Hahaha haha I can't believe you still believe in the weather man probably Santa Claus also haha, 🤔😂 seriously that little motor is worth towing a rebuilt kit on. Hope you get to go to go fishing without having to worry about your boat motor breaking down.
Nah. The weather man is always wrong. I did order rebuild kit.
Do you know how to lower the trolling speed on these motors?
You mean the idle adjustment? Or change prop pitch?
liquid gasket?
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starting fluid
I typically don't like using starting fluid on a two-stroke engine since the oil is mixed with the gas for lubricant
You didn't have the lower unit far enough down to pump water
It was up to the cavitation plate. Pickup was covered
@@MotoCheez it needs to be up to the pump housing to prime itself. These pumps are better at pushing than pulling.
Ahh, never had issue like that before. But water wouldn't push thru the power head until I connected a hose with full pressure. Holding it up to it nothing came through. Usually it flows easy
Heyyyy cheezy
Over capacity
Prolly!😁
Larg mouth bass try yums its green kinda looks like a frog plastic bait and a jig set up works good. Jerry's mike is perty good I ate to of the biggest sandwich full the first day they open in my town the manger said if I could do it in under 25 min there free he didn't think I could finish it because I'm not very big of a guy but was he wrong they were free.👍👌✌️💯🥂🥖
I have a mouse I was going to try. I used to have that frog but can't find it.
Free us good!
Hiya!
3rd
Finally got my Raven all put together and rode for the first time today!Sweet!! It's a tall steed but fits me well.
Awesome!
Wow, you spent .03 to make a gasket.
up to 9.9 no registration dude
Not true, almost every state requires registration on anything propelled by battery or gas. That included trolling motors
The 9.9hp is good for restricted lakes with low HP
persistence pays off, you finally got it fixed -- great job! "2 whore power" i'm dyin'! too funny. :-) i've heard good things about joisey mike's; i'll have to try it.
I'd say that train was in auto mode
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@@MotoCheez I don't see any other comments.
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Sometimes she goes... sometimes she doesn't.
What model # is this? Thank you.
I'll have to look. I showed it in beginning of video when I said year... I'll check when I get home
Thank you, I tried looking, I couldn’t see it.
92F9A
Thank you for your time
Do you happen to know the difference between the a and b? I bought a boat and trailer set up in an auction and the engine didn’t have a serial/model tag. So now I’m scrounging the internet for answers, any help would be appreciated. Thanks for answer my questions so far.
to sloowwwwwwww again
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That river should be named mossy river... density a fuel pump problem... i was right.. the fuel pump
Fuel line is too long.
It was the primer, hose had to be vented. Primer has hole on top 9f bulb. Line Can't be blocked off because it's the vent for the carb
Lol......cardinal rule of buying used boat motors.....clean carb/kit...change impeller....change plugs.....fuel pump kit...🤣🤣😂 I've been there..sucks
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Quit showing the long shaft,shift, is a family show.
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