"Father, are you familiar with the expression you are what you eat?" "Yes, I am. Why do you mention it?" "Because you are acting like an ever growing pile of screaming psychic children"
Only reads grimdark fiction? Oh please poser, I spent my recreational time staring into a dark damp well that's filled with ants and worms while listening to screaming. Get on my level son.
Finally someone brought this up. Why would I want my fiction to be any different from my reality? That’s why I don’t eat popcorn at the movie theater, just butter and salt.
ooh, lah-dee-dah, someone gets to have _butter and salt_ i bet you get to watch real movies as well, and not just sit there listeing to feral cats screaming in the dark, like the rest of us, honestly, some people ... (obviously this is a joke; if it really were feral cats at the movie cinema I just wouldn't go. Unless... maybe if they were well-reviewed feral cats, and I had some friends to go with who really wanted to see them, IDK)
Ea-Nasir did seem like the kind of dude who would launch his own CopperCoin and try and rug pull those that buy it. Edit: Children at that daycare now: WAAAGGGHHHHH!
Crazy how 40k also has children's books. It also rewrites the opening "in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war" monologue in the beginning, insisting that some people can have fun there (the kids in the books do not have fun).
Children are fully capable of getting satire and critique. Games Workshop just has to write it better and not play both sides, which intentionally or not they end up doing so they can market their stuff more broadly to those who want hard hitting social criticism and those who want unironic fascist power fantasies. I read 40k stuff as a kid and it wasn't made with kids in mind back then, at least not the war Warhammer adventures is. 40k was in its 4th edition and I didn't fully understand fascism irl but I understood that the imperium was tragic and horrible and not to be emulated because the art clearly communicated that Plenty of kids stories are full of horrors of the real world- hell Charlie and the chocolate factory was mentioned, that's got some gnarly stuff. And a lot of kids love the gnarly stuff. I don't think there should be no discernment into what media is shown to kids, but the horrors of the real world affect kids too. We should give them more credit and also stories that help them understand and describe things they might experience. Maybe let them choose stories for themselves more
Telling kids who show interest in things like these that they're too young and dumb to comprehend it is a quick way to set them up to be as dumb as the average american. @@johannageisel5390
@@alisonpurgatory85in case you didnt pay attention, ALL sides in 40k are one type of horrible or another, and most have some degree of justification for it that would quite reasonably justify some atrocities, while not justifying others they also partake in. The whole setting is grimdark, not just the Imperium.
That 40k children’s book sounds awesome to me. Illustrator Ned Dameron should draw like it the defictionalized Dark Tower book “Charlie the Choo Choo.”
“in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.” JRR TOLKIEN, RETURN OF THE KING.
Average Grimderp protag be like "urrrr im rugged and grizzly and a drunk, i hate you all and will spill your guts"(sacrifices himself to save everyone in the end and does the right thing anyway)
@@Splicer-lb5xb It was born out of Satire but I don't really think you can call it satire anymore. Like, if you read the Horus Heresy books the Imperium takes on a whole different dimension. I don't think you can clearly state what the Imperium is a satire of anymore. It's clearly out grown that original intention.
0:09 now i'm reminded of that one anime where a chinese tactitian is reborn as a music director and one of the first things he looks up on google (other than his own wiki page) is "what is a blockhain"
Agreeeeeeeee Plus the fact that seems to be the only thing people have been writing for like the last two decades. It's actually kind of hard to find something that's not in that genre! So I love fantasy, but unfortunately, my reading choices tend to be a little bit… Constricted. I find it particularly funny, because Brandon Sanderson was told that he needed to write more grimdark, because that was "what was selling", so he tried and apparently it was a "unmitigated disaster". 😂(THANK GOD)
The Book Thief’s narrator, who spends the entire book as the culmination of multiple crimes against humanity and still finds hope in ordinary decent people: wow, this guy is an idiot
I love that book. You also hilariously left out who that narrator is, which is one of the most unique things about it. Writing this, I recall looking up a synopsis of it for school and finding that the top results somehow had no mention of that whatsoever.
I read that book, A Tale Dark and Grim, and Prisoner B-3087 in middle school (maybe even earlier) and I don't understand why people say Watership Down was traumatizing. I'm not denying that it was for them, I just...
@@triacontahedronThere is no universal threshold for something to become traumatizing for everybody. Two people can go through exactly the same harrowing experience or childhood abuse and one would develop PTSD and the other won't. It doesn't mean the other person is "stronger" for as there's no guarantee they won't ever develop it under other circumstances. You can just say they are wired that way or reacted that way... But then again, if we go outside of diagnostic criterea, the definition of "traumatizing" in regards to childhood is extremely vague and could mean a lot of things, starting from upsetting and uncomfortable, all the way to giving you nightmares and informing a part of your personality through this experience. Everybody is different and they react differently to these things and they have different standards. Like, there are a couple of things, I've seen as a kid, that gave me a serious fright and disturbed me, I can't say for sure if they were "traumatizing", but I definitely would say my childhood would be better without them or at least with a parent being there to help me process them properly. Part of it could be desensitization or something like being neglected. At least for me, some things people called upsetting and disturbing weren't so, because I got used to my emotions 'not mattering" and not being paid attention, so I had hard time recognizing those emotions. But that's just me. You could be just wired that way, that reading those stories didn't impact you much at all. For instance, by 16-20 I could read all kinds of stuff in text, but seing things in photos and videos would leave me shaken. Like the text provides a sense of distance. But yeah, there could be a lot of different explanations.
I love me some GRIIMMDARK!!!! Honestly, I don't even think you can call it fiction if people aren't being murdered every other sentence. What? It's not like we live in a nuanced world where light clashes and mixes with dark in a never-ending panorama called life. I reject that, because it's not GRIMDARK. Catch you later wimps, I'm off to play...I mean, strategize, with my Night Lord action figu-...models, I meant models.
I like my stories to get on the very edge of hopelessness and woe, and then to hurry back to the safety of friendship and happy endings. I want to feel sorrow without having to live with the repercussions of sadness!
warhammer is great because it is overly sadomasochistic; it's a parody, and even without going into the more philosophical side of Warhammer, it's funny. You can't tell me seeing a fungus-man ride a car into a mech with his pet named "princess" isn't funny. However, this kind of person can rot in whatever version of hell they believe. The fact this guy could make such a hateable charicature is commendable
Grimdark can be divided into sound, satirical and sadism: Examples would be 1) Shadow of the colossus 2) 40K 3) Dark elves from the pulp fiction era of DnD
When you get serious about treating your depression you quickly learn that treating the most negative thought as the most true is itself literally insanity. If I remember correctly, there was a study in the US that found that pessimists tend to predict things in an experiment better, years later they repeated the experiment in Europe and found the opposite results. That probably says more about the USA and Europe than optimism and pessimism.
"He never sleeps. He reads through light and shadow and is a great favorite. He never sleeps, the grimdark enthusiast. He is reading, reading. He says he will never die."
I had to explain to a very clever, precocious twelve year old why we didn't tell kids 'the truth.' 'Kids don't believe that monsters under the bed aren't real, how are they going to cope with Hitler?'
...when I was twelve, I remember our class reading book being _The Silver Sword._ That's only six years away from being old enough to vote; I think that's old enough to start learning about some of the worse consequences of adult decision-making, before you're out in the world and have to face and make those choices on your own. Otherwise, what are you going to do? Tell them to listen to someone smarter and wiser and older, and hope they don't happen to pick a monster?
If children’s books weren’t nice and happy then watch mojo could never make videos about,”the disturbing truth behind x children’s book” and many people would be out of jobs
Dang, I may actually be this guy haha. In all fairness though I think it's just out of frustration of being a Star Wars fan my whole life. I'm not like this is parody version where I want everything to be super dark, I like comedy movies and warm and fuzzy movies as much as the next guy. However, I do think though if a piece of media is going to have war in it, people should actually die and you shouldn't shy away from the darker aspects if it's applicable. Probably why I liked a show like Andor so much.
trick him into reading Hogfather by telling him that Santa Claus gets assassinated in it (also, The Neverending Story gets *dark* in the second act. like, "the protagonist goes mad with power and tries to take over Fantastica" dark.)
'Now I don't want to consume anything unless it's full of extreme suffering and despair.' '...why?' 'Because it's funny' [as a tiny Union Jack pops out the top of his head]
I read 40k and other grimdark stories for those moments of heroism and goodness that come through in spite of darkness. Even if it was ultimately a small moment that can't change anything or save the world, no matter how pitch-black and all-encompassing the darkness gets, it still can't snuff out the light.
I got into 40k when I was 12. Fell in love with it when I met a kid who collected Chaos. I began reading the Gaunt's Ghosts books thanks to a little demo book in an issue of White Dwarf (which I still own somewhere) and I always remember reading a short story in Ghostmaker the 2nd novel made up of short stories which lead up to a novella where the Ghosts are fighting through a hive consumed by Chaos and one of them, Larkin, spies baby dolls nailed to the wall of a hab building. But then he realises not all of them are dolls. So grimdark and edgy as hell. They don’t make 40k books quite like they used to, lol.
Only Dan Abnett (Gaunts Ghosts author) and Sandy Mitchell really got the point that the setting is over the top parody. In different ways, though: Abnett wasn't afraid to push the grim right through the wall of ridiculous, and Mitchell wasn't afraid to push the ridiculous right through the wall of grim.
In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium there is a guy saying that Warhammer fantasy is low key the cooler setting because it’s less obsessed with being edgy
There's non-fiction, too, like a needlessly graphic retelling of the Emperor's human sacrifices, disturbing tips on urban combat, and how-to guides for powered armor repair.
Funnily enough, 40K actually does have kids' books in the form of the Warhammer Adventures series. I cannot stress enough how much I'm not making that up.
01:50 to 02:04 Seriously though I think it's not only the content of a book, but how the reader interprets and discusses and frames it. A book by itself can be, line-for-line, grim for dark. But the reader will have life experiences more complicated than that, and be able to expand that in-text vision to a more reparative reading. cozy coffee-shop AU fix-it fic
Dude looking at "Does the Dog Die" because he wants to see the content warning is how I look at StoryGraph's content warning for books to see if there's gore, body horror, or cannibalism.
Guys hear me out: isn't it paradoxical that Grimdark fans look for "realism" in magical fantasy where psychic god-men fight demons? They could be reading historical fiction, or journals of real soldiers, or documentaries. IMO, maybe it's an extremely cynical view of human nature where the world is hostile/competitive/domineering - so to Grimdark fans it's the psychology that's "realistic", not the magic. And they want to see a brutal world which validates that worldview, where xenophobia is rewarded. And it's backlash against stories like Star Trek where cooperation/negotiation is rewarded. Which is why 40k fans hate the Tau who most resemble Star Trek's protagonists, and the lore is filled with stories of Tau getting massacred for naïvely trying diplomacy. (Also see chapter 1 of Goblin Slayer, too many scenes in Berserk, etc.)
The 'dark age of technology' in the 40K timeline basically *was* _Star Trek,_ there seems to be an element in the lore that the Tau are ultimately doomed to follow in the Imperium's footsteps.
It’s not paradoxical, as terrible people have nothing to do with demons or dragons. As you said, it’s mental realism. If someone inserted humans from earth into their fantasy world, some people want them to act like humans from earth. While a lot of humans are terrible, a lot of them are also good, which is where I think stories like Game of Thrones get the unjustified grimdark label while they are simply aiming for realism, and get lumped with something like the Second Apocalypse, a story so dark I don’t consider it “realistic” (though it’s great!) Of course, I’m not saying that humans in fantasy should act like real humans in every single story, just that some people have that preference.
@@emek5177 I mostly agree - Game of Thrones is only 20% Grimdark, but the world still tends to reward back-stabbing/murder and punish anything 'nice'. E.g. Daenerys burns and conquers another city? Everyone's chill. Daenerys frees the slaves? Instant backlash and assassination attempts. Somehow no-one questions Littlefinger ruling the Vale, and Cersei has no repercussions for blowing up the Pope. Real medieval lords couldn't betray each other so openly; they stuck to their honor-systems/religions because that's how their bannermen trust them, and that's how their underlings trust them etc. It _does_ matter what the sheep think of the lion. Shogun was a great example of how lords can scheme while outwardly appearing to be honorable.
@@LowestofheDead Yes I see your point with game of thrones, maybe a better comparison would be the Farseer Trilogy, which while bleak does not reward evil actions to the same extent.
I'm convinced people don't know what grimdark actually is. I recommended Ultimate Spider-Man 2000 to a friend once and he told me he wouldn't read it because "it's grimdark."
Eventually he'll find Hegel's dialectic and get into Cosy Grimdark fiction
What genre would Schopenhauer's roasts belong to?
Ogrins, that's ogrins
ROFL
Nihilist WW1 lattes and cookies
I’m still not over “cozy cosmic horror.” Every time I remember the line I crack up.
"In the grim darkness of the grimdark future, there is only grim darkness, dark grimness, and STALEMATE."
Well yeah, if anybody wins the franchise is screwed.
Well, that was true for the longest time. Now its a bit more flexible.
Guy who only "reads" dark fiction (watches UA-cam videos titled MOST DISTURBING BOOK EVER)
The number of channels that I've seen that have done that disgust and disturb me....
I feel personally called out :^ )
Wendigoon's video on Blood Meridian is gud tho
Not even joking, I want a movie about Ea-Nasir's cyptroscam. It sounds like a fantastic comedy.
I don't want the dog to die, but other than that I'm on board 100%.
I neeed this movie please it has to be real
Even BERSERK has some hope in it.
Does it?
@@kevin4680have you read Berserk lol. Half of it is just Guts learning to trust people again.
also healing and dealing with loss. in his in his own way😀. he is "the struggler", making his own way and path through causality.
is that before or after the horse?
@DrakeDoe maybe the horse is the hope
"Father, are you familiar with the expression you are what you eat?"
"Yes, I am. Why do you mention it?"
"Because you are acting like an ever growing pile of screaming psychic children"
Guilleman: Realising why Horus heresied
Rogal Dorn win
Nice TTS reference
least unhinged 40k fan
As someone who really likes this universe, I have a few questions.
Plot Twist: The kids at the daycare all grow up to be extremely idealistic progressive Tau players determined to prove that guy wrong about the world.
"Lattes are the opium of the people."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
The best part about grimdark is the persistence of hope, despite the futility of effort. And yet, hope finds a way through
Only reads grimdark fiction? Oh please poser, I spent my recreational time staring into a dark damp well that's filled with ants and worms while listening to screaming.
Get on my level son.
Personally, I enjoy walking around the landfill near my house barefoot while listening to the music of Karlheinz Stockhausen.
@@genericallyentertaining Thank you for reminding me that Stockhausen exists. I feel a strong urge to be alienated by my own headphones 😁
Finally someone brought this up. Why would I want my fiction to be any different from my reality? That’s why I don’t eat popcorn at the movie theater, just butter and salt.
Same. That's why metropop/ books kind of movie is a bore to me😂
It's not even like reality, it's more like your newsfeed when you're helplessly doomscrolling
ooh, lah-dee-dah, someone gets to have _butter and salt_
i bet you get to watch real movies as well, and not just sit there listeing to feral cats screaming in the dark, like the rest of us, honestly, some people
...
(obviously this is a joke; if it really were feral cats at the movie cinema I just wouldn't go. Unless... maybe if they were well-reviewed feral cats, and I had some friends to go with who really wanted to see them, IDK)
Ea-Nasir did seem like the kind of dude who would launch his own CopperCoin and try and rug pull those that buy it.
Edit: Children at that daycare now: WAAAGGGHHHHH!
Crazy how 40k also has children's books. It also rewrites the opening "in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war" monologue in the beginning, insisting that some people can have fun there (the kids in the books do not have fun).
If I saw my one of my cousins with anything 40k related, I would do things to GW that would leave a Harlequin flustered.
Children should not read 40k. They might take its messages at face value instead of getting the satire. Some adults should also not read 40k.
Children are fully capable of getting satire and critique. Games Workshop just has to write it better and not play both sides, which intentionally or not they end up doing so they can market their stuff more broadly to those who want hard hitting social criticism and those who want unironic fascist power fantasies. I read 40k stuff as a kid and it wasn't made with kids in mind back then, at least not the war Warhammer adventures is. 40k was in its 4th edition and I didn't fully understand fascism irl but I understood that the imperium was tragic and horrible and not to be emulated because the art clearly communicated that
Plenty of kids stories are full of horrors of the real world- hell Charlie and the chocolate factory was mentioned, that's got some gnarly stuff. And a lot of kids love the gnarly stuff. I don't think there should be no discernment into what media is shown to kids, but the horrors of the real world affect kids too. We should give them more credit and also stories that help them understand and describe things they might experience. Maybe let them choose stories for themselves more
Telling kids who show interest in things like these that they're too young and dumb to comprehend it is a quick way to set them up to be as dumb as the average american. @@johannageisel5390
@@alisonpurgatory85in case you didnt pay attention, ALL sides in 40k are one type of horrible or another, and most have some degree of justification for it that would quite reasonably justify some atrocities, while not justifying others they also partake in. The whole setting is grimdark, not just the Imperium.
“Never ending Gory”
Oh well, mankind is dead, blood is fuel, hell is full
Someone needs to write a book that is somehow both cozy and grimdark, and finally bring balance to the Force.
So...Berk?
This is literally something that I'm trying to write right now!
That 40k children’s book sounds awesome to me. Illustrator Ned Dameron should draw like it the defictionalized Dark Tower book “Charlie the Choo Choo.”
Like... Doom eternal? Oneshot? Doki doki literature club? Miside?
I know that this is games, not books...
"Sado-masochistic works of fiction" is now my go-to phrase for describing grimdark....
“in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”
JRR TOLKIEN, RETURN OF THE KING.
Aurë entuluva!
@@triacontahedron Elen síla lúmenn' omentielvo!
Ah, yes. The author who believed in the evil and fictional Christian god.
@@ExpertContrarian🤓
@@Vokaynroks cope
“All kids books are happy go lucky fairy tales”
Clearly you have never read wings of fire
Average Grimderp protag be like "urrrr im rugged and grizzly and a drunk, i hate you all and will spill your guts"(sacrifices himself to save everyone in the end and does the right thing anyway)
How it feels to be a 40K fan
Grimdark mentioned, 40k inevitable.
How it feels talking to people who take 40k seriously (they don't know that the Imperium is satirical)
@@Splicer-lb5xb It was born out of Satire but I don't really think you can call it satire anymore. Like, if you read the Horus Heresy books the Imperium takes on a whole different dimension. I don't think you can clearly state what the Imperium is a satire of anymore. It's clearly out grown that original intention.
@@nathanblue5548 Considering it literally gave the genre its title, not surprising lol
It feels less like satire and more like a tragedy. If you consider it satire, you might as well consider 1984 to be satire.
I agree 100%. This is why I only go to grimdark coffee shops, where there are no lattes and you get graped and stabbed the moment you enter
The phrase "grimdark" implies the existence of a "cheerfuldark," and now I want to see that
So basically, Halloween-themed stuff?
I mostly read grimdark stuff, and if someone asks me why, I just say something like, “Because I like violence, Dave.”
Tbf adding space marines to a story will make it 1000% more awesome.
My own story would profit massively by the addition of a power armor to my possessions. And a huge gun and a chainsword.
I always felt like Lord of the Rings was missing something. . .
My writing vs my personality (my characters almost always suffer)
You seem like a Judge Holden fan.
@SirBoggins or George R. R. Martin
@PixlyPenguin Yup
0:09
now i'm reminded of that one anime where a chinese tactitian is reborn as a music director and one of the first things he looks up on google (other than his own wiki page) is "what is a blockhain"
Paripi Koumei/Ya Boy Kongming btw
Agreeeeeeeee
Plus the fact that seems to be the only thing people have been writing for like the last two decades. It's actually kind of hard to find something that's not in that genre! So I love fantasy, but unfortunately, my reading choices tend to be a little bit… Constricted.
I find it particularly funny, because Brandon Sanderson was told that he needed to write more grimdark, because that was "what was selling", so he tried and apparently it was a "unmitigated disaster".
😂(THANK GOD)
when are we getting cozy grimdark Finnegans Wake
You could also name this video “How Marvel Comics editors see Spider-Man.”
I would totally watch the Ea-Nasir movie
Notable Grimdark, and Realism are two very different genras.
The Book Thief’s narrator, who spends the entire book as the culmination of multiple crimes against humanity and still finds hope in ordinary decent people: wow, this guy is an idiot
I love that book. You also hilariously left out who that narrator is, which is one of the most unique things about it. Writing this, I recall looking up a synopsis of it for school and finding that the top results somehow had no mention of that whatsoever.
@@triacontahedron I did it intentionally. If you know, you know.
2:30 Amateur! Should've given them Watership Down. Now that's age appropriate!
I read that book, A Tale Dark and Grim, and Prisoner B-3087 in middle school (maybe even earlier) and I don't understand why people say Watership Down was traumatizing. I'm not denying that it was for them, I just...
@@triacontahedronThere is no universal threshold for something to become traumatizing for everybody. Two people can go through exactly the same harrowing experience or childhood abuse and one would develop PTSD and the other won't. It doesn't mean the other person is "stronger" for as there's no guarantee they won't ever develop it under other circumstances. You can just say they are wired that way or reacted that way...
But then again, if we go outside of diagnostic criterea, the definition of "traumatizing" in regards to childhood is extremely vague and could mean a lot of things, starting from upsetting and uncomfortable, all the way to giving you nightmares and informing a part of your personality through this experience. Everybody is different and they react differently to these things and they have different standards.
Like, there are a couple of things, I've seen as a kid, that gave me a serious fright and disturbed me, I can't say for sure if they were "traumatizing", but I definitely would say my childhood would be better without them or at least with a parent being there to help me process them properly.
Part of it could be desensitization or something like being neglected. At least for me, some things people called upsetting and disturbing weren't so, because I got used to my emotions 'not mattering" and not being paid attention, so I had hard time recognizing those emotions. But that's just me.
You could be just wired that way, that reading those stories didn't impact you much at all. For instance, by 16-20 I could read all kinds of stuff in text, but seing things in photos and videos would leave me shaken. Like the text provides a sense of distance.
But yeah, there could be a lot of different explanations.
I love me some GRIIMMDARK!!!! Honestly, I don't even think you can call it fiction if people aren't being murdered every other sentence. What? It's not like we live in a nuanced world where light clashes and mixes with dark in a never-ending panorama called life. I reject that, because it's not GRIMDARK. Catch you later wimps, I'm off to play...I mean, strategize, with my Night Lord action figu-...models, I meant models.
Everything is just preparation for us to become Space Marines.
I like my stories to get on the very edge of hopelessness and woe, and then to hurry back to the safety of friendship and happy endings. I want to feel sorrow without having to live with the repercussions of sadness!
Grimdark is just a warhammer marketing term. The actual genre is dark fantasy.
This is blatant Joe Abercrombie erasure
Say a thing about a book, say it awakened nihilism in the youth.
I wish that Ea-Nasir movie actually existed
warhammer is great because it is overly sadomasochistic; it's a parody, and even without going into the more philosophical side of Warhammer, it's funny. You can't tell me seeing a fungus-man ride a car into a mech with his pet named "princess" isn't funny.
However, this kind of person can rot in whatever version of hell they believe. The fact this guy could make such a hateable charicature is commendable
My favourite grimdark fantasty, 'Legends and Opium'
1:51 Joke's on you, I'm both.
This progression makes complete sense. He realized that in its essence cozy fiction is utterly nihilistic, and reverted back to honest nihilism
Grimdark can be divided into sound, satirical and sadism:
Examples would be
1) Shadow of the colossus
2) 40K
3) Dark elves from the pulp fiction era of DnD
When you get serious about treating your depression you quickly learn that treating the most negative thought as the most true is itself literally insanity.
If I remember correctly, there was a study in the US that found that pessimists tend to predict things in an experiment better, years later they repeated the experiment in Europe and found the opposite results. That probably says more about the USA and Europe than optimism and pessimism.
"He never sleeps. He reads through light and shadow and is a great favorite. He never sleeps, the grimdark enthusiast. He is reading, reading. He says he will never die."
I think your friend is suffering from depression.
I love how good you are at playing straight man against yourself
Plot twist: grim dark person is actually just a devotee of st augustine
TULIP is pretty grim
I had to explain to a very clever, precocious twelve year old why we didn't tell kids 'the truth.'
'Kids don't believe that monsters under the bed aren't real, how are they going to cope with Hitler?'
...when I was twelve, I remember our class reading book being _The Silver Sword._ That's only six years away from being old enough to vote; I think that's old enough to start learning about some of the worse consequences of adult decision-making, before you're out in the world and have to face and make those choices on your own. Otherwise, what are you going to do? Tell them to listen to someone smarter and wiser and older, and hope they don't happen to pick a monster?
An Ea-Nasir time travel movie would absolutely slay
If children’s books weren’t nice and happy then watch mojo could never make videos about,”the disturbing truth behind x children’s book” and many people would be out of jobs
watchmojo still exists?
@ they have made 7 videos in the last 24 hours
@@placeholderdoe Same old watchmojo. Kind of fills me with a little bit of nostalgia for days when I had time I could throw in the trash.
I would watch the Ea-Nasir crypto scam movie
It's always a Warhammer guy ruining everything.
Dang, I may actually be this guy haha. In all fairness though I think it's just out of frustration of being a Star Wars fan my whole life. I'm not like this is parody version where I want everything to be super dark, I like comedy movies and warm and fuzzy movies as much as the next guy. However, I do think though if a piece of media is going to have war in it, people should actually die and you shouldn't shy away from the darker aspects if it's applicable. Probably why I liked a show like Andor so much.
He never misses! Absolute legend!
trick him into reading Hogfather by telling him that Santa Claus gets assassinated in it
(also, The Neverending Story gets *dark* in the second act. like, "the protagonist goes mad with power and tries to take over Fantastica" dark.)
I love that I found this video because I was trying to determine if my book is grimdark, and uh... Yeah. It is.
2:15 Oh common let me enjoy A Song of Ice and Fire in peace ! (Yes...I know you've been referring to it !)
This channel is like seeing a televised version of the books discourse on my Twitter feed but at an eight month remove from the discourse itself.
Okay, now I want that Ea Nasir movie.
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Funnily enough, there is a Warhammer 40K book series for kids.
"You're either evil or you're helpless to stop evil."
Can you please stop gut-punching me with the truth?
...Pretty sure the point was that that _isn't_ the truth.
Mlk would disagree
2:35 he should try the "Animorphs" series, but then again, i don't want give him reason
'Now I don't want to consume anything unless it's full of extreme suffering and despair.'
'...why?'
'Because it's funny' [as a tiny Union Jack pops out the top of his head]
To be fair, 4th grade me would have loved 40k. Where's all the forward thinking, rational teachers out there?
9yr olds calling each other ogryn/beastmen/Nurglespawn might be funny lol
I read 40k and other grimdark stories for those moments of heroism and goodness that come through in spite of darkness. Even if it was ultimately a small moment that can't change anything or save the world, no matter how pitch-black and all-encompassing the darkness gets, it still can't snuff out the light.
You're saying the universe where they teleport a space station filled with demons into a planet like a fucking bunker buster isn't realistic?
What if the Grimdark fiction ends and it was all a dream?
I saw this in my subscription, and my reaction was "I subscribed to this guy?"
This was fucking phenomenal and I hope it gets a million views
I got into 40k when I was 12. Fell in love with it when I met a kid who collected Chaos. I began reading the Gaunt's Ghosts books thanks to a little demo book in an issue of White Dwarf (which I still own somewhere) and I always remember reading a short story in Ghostmaker the 2nd novel made up of short stories which lead up to a novella where the Ghosts are fighting through a hive consumed by Chaos and one of them, Larkin, spies baby dolls nailed to the wall of a hab building.
But then he realises not all of them are dolls.
So grimdark and edgy as hell. They don’t make 40k books quite like they used to, lol.
Only Dan Abnett (Gaunts Ghosts author) and Sandy Mitchell really got the point that the setting is over the top parody. In different ways, though: Abnett wasn't afraid to push the grim right through the wall of ridiculous, and Mitchell wasn't afraid to push the ridiculous right through the wall of grim.
In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium there is a guy saying that Warhammer fantasy is low key the cooler setting because it’s less obsessed with being edgy
Oh hey, Lars von Trier, I didn’t know you were in my book club.
My old fantasy-book club rises from the grave...
First heard of 40k when a classmate showed off his Spess Mehreens back in 6th grade. Does that count me as having been a kid back then?
As someone in the middle of The Horus Heresy it's just badass.
There's non-fiction, too, like a needlessly graphic retelling of the Emperor's human sacrifices, disturbing tips on urban combat, and how-to guides for powered armor repair.
Funnily enough, 40K actually does have kids' books in the form of the Warhammer Adventures series. I cannot stress enough how much I'm not making that up.
Guy watches true detective once
Dude. Who said you could post this footage of me without my permission!
And so, a great duology was born, perhaps a great trilogy perhaps.
Then why is he not reading Thomas Bernhard??
I feel seen. Thank you for the representation.
As a grimdark fan, or as someone who finds them irritating?
Charlie and the carnage factory sounds interesting
01:50 to 02:04 Seriously though I think it's not only the content of a book, but how the reader interprets and discusses and frames it. A book by itself can be, line-for-line, grim for dark. But the reader will have life experiences more complicated than that, and be able to expand that in-text vision to a more reparative reading.
cozy coffee-shop AU fix-it fic
Dude looking at "Does the Dog Die" because he wants to see the content warning is how I look at StoryGraph's content warning for books to see if there's gore, body horror, or cannibalism.
He was cooking though
"That's not how that saying goes."
Isn't it though?
Oh my god, ea Nasir being transported into modern times? That’s PERFECT IM STEALING THAT
Not gonna lie, these suggested books sound awesome.
One day you will be old like that, Slushi. Old, grey, and full of sleep. So look forward to that 😊
All jokes aside, that Ea Nassir movie sounds awesome.
~~Charlie and the carnage factory is accurate~~
also I love that the grimdark pretension just comes back to Warhammer XD
That movie about the copper merchant does sound great though XD
Honestly 40k isn't that grimdark anymore, the "good guys" win constantly
Guys hear me out: isn't it paradoxical that Grimdark fans look for "realism" in magical fantasy where psychic god-men fight demons? They could be reading historical fiction, or journals of real soldiers, or documentaries.
IMO, maybe it's an extremely cynical view of human nature where the world is hostile/competitive/domineering - so to Grimdark fans it's the psychology that's "realistic", not the magic. And they want to see a brutal world which validates that worldview, where xenophobia is rewarded.
And it's backlash against stories like Star Trek where cooperation/negotiation is rewarded. Which is why 40k fans hate the Tau who most resemble Star Trek's protagonists, and the lore is filled with stories of Tau getting massacred for naïvely trying diplomacy. (Also see chapter 1 of Goblin Slayer, too many scenes in Berserk, etc.)
maybe Grimdarkers are just scared and want scarier fantasy so that reality seems safer
The 'dark age of technology' in the 40K timeline basically *was* _Star Trek,_ there seems to be an element in the lore that the Tau are ultimately doomed to follow in the Imperium's footsteps.
It’s not paradoxical, as terrible people have nothing to do with demons or dragons. As you said, it’s mental realism. If someone inserted humans from earth into their fantasy world, some people want them to act like humans from earth. While a lot of humans are terrible, a lot of them are also good, which is where I think stories like Game of Thrones get the unjustified grimdark label while they are simply aiming for realism, and get lumped with something like the Second Apocalypse, a story so dark I don’t consider it “realistic” (though it’s great!) Of course, I’m not saying that humans in fantasy should act like real humans in every single story, just that some people have that preference.
@@emek5177 I mostly agree - Game of Thrones is only 20% Grimdark, but the world still tends to reward back-stabbing/murder and punish anything 'nice'.
E.g. Daenerys burns and conquers another city? Everyone's chill. Daenerys frees the slaves? Instant backlash and assassination attempts. Somehow no-one questions Littlefinger ruling the Vale, and Cersei has no repercussions for blowing up the Pope.
Real medieval lords couldn't betray each other so openly; they stuck to their honor-systems/religions because that's how their bannermen trust them, and that's how their underlings trust them etc. It _does_ matter what the sheep think of the lion.
Shogun was a great example of how lords can scheme while outwardly appearing to be honorable.
@@LowestofheDead Yes I see your point with game of thrones, maybe a better comparison would be the Farseer Trilogy, which while bleak does not reward evil actions to the same extent.
I'm convinced people don't know what grimdark actually is. I recommended Ultimate Spider-Man 2000 to a friend once and he told me he wouldn't read it because "it's grimdark."